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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-02-12

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00:09<venom4k>hello everyone
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00:53<andrey74>народ помогите gmusikbrowser не воспроизводит музыку
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00:53<jm_>!ru
00:53<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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01:40<endo12345>msg hostserv request vhost.goes.here
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02:07<karadoc>I'm in the process of installing debian, and apparently the Debian archive mirrors being offered to me do not yet support the latest version. I've tried ftp.au.debian.org, mirror.inux.org.au, ftp.iinet.net.au , ftp.monash.edu.au. All off them say that the mirror does not support the specified release (wheezy).
02:08<karadoc>I suppose that means I should try a mirror from some other country. But is this normal?
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02:08<endo1234567>i think i remember having the same prob with fluxbox
02:09<themill>karadoc: precisely how are you trying to install debian?
02:09<themill>(all the .au mirrors are crap in various ways, but that should not be the issue)
02:09<endo1234567>ok something completely wack just happened to me and i need help to know if it means something bad happened
02:09<jm_>karadoc: iinet has wheezy
02:10<karadoc>I downloaded the 7.4.0 LXDE live CD, burnt it to a dvd, and I'm running the 'graphical installer' from that dvd.
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02:10<themill>karadoc: how do you connect this machine to the internet? is there a login form that you need to fill in to be able to connect?
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02:10<endo1234567>a terminal i had open on my comp just started acting bizarre, everything i type comes out in some foreign language
02:11<endo1234567>amaharic i think
02:11<themill>karadoc: or a proxy between you and the web
02:11<endo1234567>ስድፍ
02:11<endo1234567>thats what it looks like
02:11<karadoc>I don't think there is any proxy. The computer contects via wifi to my router, which connects to the ISP.
02:11<karadoc>I've not specified a proxy on any of my other computers.
02:11<endo1234567>and when i press enter, no matter what i type, it shows somthing like this bash: $'\341\210\216\341\214\216\341\212\241\341\211\265': command not found
02:12<endo1234567>i am just completely baffeled and a little scared
02:12<endo1234567>pleaaaase help and just let me know if you know what is happening
02:12<themill>karadoc: and have you offered the installer the necessary password details to connect to that wireless network?
02:12<endo1234567>have i been comprimised?
02:12<themill>karadoc: and does your wireless device need firmware? (I have no idea if the firmware is on the livecd)
02:13<jm_>he sorted out the firmware thing yesterday
02:13<karadoc>themill: the wireless device has the required firmware from my usb stick (that was giving me trouble yesterday until I got help here). It does have the correct password.
02:13<themill>jm_: ah, thanks
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02:13<themill>karadoc: can you plug in with an ethernet cable?
02:14<karadoc>termill: I've opened terminal #4 after the installer told me the mirror wasn't working, so that I could see the error message. It says "mirror does not support the specified release"
02:14<themill>the Release file should be somewhere on disk... I don't know where though. It'd be nice to have a look at what's in it
02:15<endo1234567>nobody?
02:15<karadoc>themill: I can try with an ethernet cable, but I won't be able to type in this chat at the same time because it's a few rooms away. Will the installer know to use the ethernet internet? I assume it would just continue to use the wifi.
02:15<themill>karadoc: you can get it to back up and try connecting to the network again. Or just restart the installer
02:15<jm_>endo1234567: try echo -e '\ec'
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02:16<themill>karadoc: there's always a chance that the installer on the live image is busted of course... most people use the installer images to install rather than the live images.
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02:17<endo1234567>just clears the terminal
02:17<jm_>yes but does it restore its behaviour?
02:17<endo1234567>nah
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02:17<jm_>does 'reset' help any? this stuff can happen if you output a lot of binary crap
02:18<karadoc>themill: just as a test, I opened terminal #3 and tried "ping www.google.com", and was told it was a bad address. So the problem is probably the internet connection as you guessed.
02:18<endo1234567>jm_: any other terminal i open is normal, and the other one i had open was fine
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02:18<jm_>endo1234567: yeah, see above about binary crap
02:18<endo1234567>its just the one, its really no problem but its just super wierd
02:18<endo1234567>weird*
02:18<endo1234567>ok
02:18<endo1234567>ill check it out
02:19<jm_>reset is a command btw
02:19<endo1234567>rite
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02:20<endo1234567>still the same behavior
02:21<jm_>then just close it
02:21<karadoc_>sorry, I was disconnected for a moment there - not sure why. If you said something to me I might have missed it.
02:21<endo1234567>no i know that, its not a problem or anything, im just completely freaked out about how that might have happened
02:22<karadoc_>anyway, I guess I should go try the ethernet thing. But ultimately, I don't want to use the ethernet cable on this computer. Is there some way I can try to diagnose / fix the wifi connection?
02:23<jm_>karadoc_: make sure name resolution works first
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02:24<endo1234567>i can copy and paste normal text into that terminal, thats how i tried your commands, thought maybe you were asking me to enter those commands to see the resulting behavior and be able to tell what was going on
02:24<jm_>typing or pasting should be the same
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02:25<jm_>but yeah, those commands have to be run in *that* terminal
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02:26<endo1234567>thats what i thought, but when i use the keyboard to type, it comes out the foreign language, but if i cope some text from google or here on irc, and right click and paste it into the terminal, works fine
02:26<endo1234567>yeah thats what i was doing
02:26<endo1234567>i just copied "reset" and pasted it into *that* terminal
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02:26<endo1234567>copy some text*
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02:29<endo1234567>and sorry, i should have clarified earlier. its not an actual problem, just completely bizarre and freaky to me. i could just close it and move on with my life but im very curious, and a little worried that i might have got a virus or something
02:29<karadoc_>jm_: I've gone back to the 'configure network' stage, just to be sure that I've done it correctly. I tried putting in the wrong password deliberately, just to see what it would do. With the wrong password it tells me that it failed to autoconfigure. With the right password, it tells me that it works (which is what I'd already seen). Strangely enough though, simply repeating that seems to have fixed the original problem. ie. the iinet ftp
02:29<karadoc_>works now.
02:29<jm_>I explained what's the most likely reason for that to happen, it's usually nothing to worry about
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02:30<jm_>karadoc_: right
02:30<endo1234567>before it happened i had just done a udp nmap scan on one of my computers on my network
02:30<endo1234567>yeah i appreciate the help btw, just seems wierd. i found out the language was amharic
02:31<endo1234567>which i dont think is even a standard included language in any linux operating system
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02:35<endo1234567>hmmm, maybe when i used -vv to output extra information from the scan it outputted some binary data somehow
02:35<jm_>try doing it again to test
02:36<endo1234567>nmap?
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02:36<jm_>well whatever you were doing before it got corrupted
02:37<endo1234567>i was using nmap to scan my other pc, i guess i could type a nmap command out and copy it and paste it into the term
02:38<endo1234567>nmap -n -Pn -vv -sS 192.168.2.15
02:38<endo1234567>whoops
02:41<endo1234567>completely normal result as if nothing was different with the terminal
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02:45<endo1234567>pinging me?
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02:46<endo1234567>comcast is, hmm..
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02:47<endo1234567>anywaay, so you think its just some weird output that came out binary from my nmap scan or something?
02:47<endo1234567>jm_: ?
02:47<jm_>that's how I usually ended up with such a situation
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02:48<endo1234567>oki doke
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02:50<endo1234567>i had this whole idea in my head that some ethiopian hacked into my pc, and in result of him using his amharic keyboard to enter some command in at the same time i was executing my command, resulting in changing my term input language or some
02:50<endo1234567>thing
02:50<endo1234567>like that
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03:09<llandon>Is there a known issue with xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.19.0-6 and dual monitoring (dvi)? Since today my monitor is no longer detected on the DVI port. Bug 694769 doesn't seem to be related, because there the monitor is detected.
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03:38<endo1234567>why are so many people joined to this channel and not having any discussions?
03:38<endo1234567>or talking at all
03:38<endo1234567>whats the point of joining?
03:39<Nemoder>this is a support channel not a discussion channel
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03:39<jm_>note that this is a support channel, not a chitchat channel
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03:41<endo1234567>ah, i see. whats the point of joining if your not asking for any support?
03:42<endo1234567>649 people here and maybe 1 every 30min actually asks for any support
03:43<endo1234567>just curious, ill shut up now
03:43<jm_>they can still follow discussion and learn from it
03:43<endo1234567>makes sense
03:44<endo1234567>alright, last question. how do i protect/hide my ip on this network?
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03:45<jm_>try http://www.oftc.net/UserCloaks/
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03:46<endo1234567>thanks
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05:03<bluenemo>hi guys. i'm looking into darwin streaming server and want to load balance among several servers. does the open source version have a build in load balancer? if not what do you think about using lvs for it?
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05:25<Linnak>Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae running KDE Development Platform 4.8.4 (4.8.4), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz at 2999 MHz (5999 bogomips), HD: 7/16GB, RAM: 902/1009MB, 142 proc's, 25.15min up
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05:25<Linnak>Hi, I have an old radeon card an have this message:The opengl compositing caused kwin's crash this was probably because the fault of the driver
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05:37<Zooti>Hi. I'm forced to use Java 1.6. How can I find it? Usually I add an old rep but I can't find that rep anymore..
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05:37<Zooti>it was a .pl.debian repo if that is to any help.
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05:43<Zooti>could I just do http://ftp.sv.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free in Debian 7?
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05:43<Zooti>and install java 6 from non-free?
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05:48<zod>Zooti: You can use java-package to create a debian package.
05:49<Zooti>brb reboot
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06:05<fortuna>Any idea why emacs doesn't use the gtk theme?
06:06<fortuna>I'm using the emacs24 package from testing
06:06<Maulkin>fortuna: -> #debian-next please
06:06<fortuna>Maulkin: ok, thanks!
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06:36<red>test
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06:39<yerba>Hello! I just installed Debian 7 on a computer with a BCM 4131 wifi chip (using proprietary wl driver) and I noticed I cannot receive anything by bluetooth, only send
06:39<yerba>I tried to see if 'lspci' shows anything bluetooth related but it doesn't
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06:40<yerba>(previously I had Fedora on the same machine and blueooth worked)
06:40<yerba>Where should I begin to look for the source of the problem?
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06:41<yerba>* BCM 4313 I mean
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06:51<petn-randall>Hi yerba, do you get any error messages? Which program are you using to receive data?
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06:53<yerba>petn-randall: I use gnome-bluetooth. When I try to send from device, the computer says the operation is not supported. When I try to browse the device from the computer ans confirm it on the device, the computer says "GIO Error: the connection was lost" after few seconds
06:54<yerba>I'm trying to connect on command line now
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06:55<yerba>on wait....
06:55<yerba>this may be a GNOME issue
06:56<yerba>yeah
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06:56<yerba>gnome-user-share needs to be configured to accept files via bluetooth :)
06:56<yerba>silly me
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06:58<petn-randall>yerba: No problem :)
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07:00<diego_c3sl>Hi.
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07:02<diego_c3sl> I'm a developer of a linux customization called "Educational Linux", installed in around 120.000 machines in brazilian public schools, and I'm facing a problem with dpkg triggers. Thing is, one of the distro packages is not being triggered as expected and I do not have time to find out why. What I want to do is to manually fire the package trigger after the upgrading process (apt-get dist-upgrade) is done. The trigger is configured in the package u
07:02<diego_c3sl>sing the "triggers" file inside DEBIAN directory, the only line is "interest /etc/lightdm". I tried something like "dpkg-trigger --by-package foo /etc/lighdm", but nothing happens. Any ideas?
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07:03<Walex>diego_c3sl: mailing list is better for this kind of question...
07:04<diego_c3sl>which mailing list would you suggest?
07:04<diego_c3sl>debian or dpkg?
07:04<Walex>diego_c3sl: also make sure you report which Debian version it is
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07:04<Walex>diego_c3sl: the DPKG one, sounds like a bug or a development issue
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07:05<themill>diego_c3sl: perhaps better to work out why the trigger isn't being run (or manually run the same code the trigger does)
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07:05<diego_c3sl>thanks walex
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07:36<Brody>Hi, MS windows noob here. Installing debian for the first time. I have downloaded jigdo and I have used it to get DVD 1 of the cmplete installation so that I can install without an internet connection. It took me 24 hours to download the first DVD which isnt too bad. What Im wondering is, can I install a basic Debian using just this 1 DVD or will I have to download all 10 DVDs?
07:37<bluenemo>Brody, one DVD will suffice. 24 hours sounds like a "bit" long to me
07:37<jm_>!cd contents
07:37<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/).
07:37<petn-randall>Brody: It depends on what you want to install. Why don't you have an internet connection on install?
07:37<jm_>Brody: you will get what's listed there ^^^^
07:38<jm_>why use jigdo though?
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07:39<Brody>jm_ I got the impression from the debian website that jigdo was the preferred method (other than buying the CDs)
07:39<jm_>Brody: you can download ISO images too
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07:40-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
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07:40<Brody>bluenemo ah thats good news thankyou
07:42<Brody>petn-randall I have not done this kind of thing before but its my brothers old pc and I ultimately want to set up a home server for a blog. I therefore will have to connect it to the internet but I thought it might be easier to download a 'full' version on my own pc then install that straight onto the old pc
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07:48<Brody>jm_ I must admit the sheer number of options and assumed technical knowledge has put me firmly out of my depth by a long long way, but my goal in doing this execise is to learn more about computers so its ok :)
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07:49<jm_>Brody: sure, you'll do ok as long as your reading/searching/asking skills are ok :)
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08:16<elcapo>i have a problem whit an adobe flash plugin
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08:17<jm_>elcapo: what kind of problem?
08:17<elcapo>and some zombies
08:18<elcapo>can't uninstal the fkin plugin
08:18<jm_>how did you install it?
08:18<elcapo>i don't install mozzilla did
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08:19<jm_>mozilla what?
08:20<elcapo>firefox
08:20<jm_>debian doesn't provide firefox - are you using debian?
08:20<elcapo>crunch bang
08:20<jm_>!crunchbang
08:20<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
08:20<jm_>try there
08:21<jm_>wwwI have to go
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08:31<mareks>how to have system with normal, english error messages and all, but with polish keyboard layout and polish timezone
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08:31<mareks>during installation
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08:32<mareks>how to select this configuration during the installation, is such combination available
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08:41<sreyan32>what does the command "apt-cache show <package_name> do ? does it show installed packages on a system or something else ?
08:42<sreyan32>does wheezy come with any download manager ? like multiget ?
08:45<sreyan32>anyone here ???
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08:46<sreyan32>hello ?
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08:46<babilen>sreyan32: Read "man apt-cache" to learn about that command. And yes, many download managers have been packaged for wheezy and "apt-cache search download manager" should list some
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08:46<babilen>judd: v multiget
08:46<judd>Package: multiget on i386 -- jessie: 1.2.0-3; sid: 1.2.0-3; squeeze: 1.2.0-3; wheezy: 1.2.0-3
08:47<babilen>sreyan32: multiget is one of them ^^^
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08:47<babilen>sreyan32: I would recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/ to you
08:48<sreyan32>babilen, fatrat is listed but when i type in fatrat at command prompt it shows unrecognized command
08:49<sreyan32>babilen, if apt-cache shows it it means its installed right ?
08:49<themill>sreyan32: did you check the man page?
08:51<sreyan32>themill: apt-cache just shows info of packages from the cache ? then how do i find out whether a package is installed or not on my system ?
08:52<themill>sreyan32: dpkg -i packagename or aptitude show packagename
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08:53<sreyan32>themill: thank you.
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08:54<chealer>sreyan32: dpkg -l packagename
08:54<gruetzkopf>hey, any good reason for limiting the serial8250 module to 4 ports by default?
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09:01<cem>hi, where can i find repos ? after fresh installation
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09:02<cem>i couldnt choose any repos while installation because of my connection so now i want to make it proper
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09:02<abrotman>Wheezy?
09:02<cem>yes
09:02<abrotman>dpkg: tell cem about wheezy sources.list
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09:02<cem>okey one moment
09:03<cem>here it is
09:03<cem>http://pastebin.com/1dRtKdNm
09:04<sreyan32>chealer, thats even better. thanks.
09:04<babilen>sreyan32: Did you install that package? apt-cache show simply shows you information about *all* available packages, not only those that are installed.
09:05<sreyan32>babilen, I see. yes i will install multiget now.
09:05<babilen>sreyan32: You, naturally, have to install the package if you want to use software in it. Did you do that? Do you know how to do that?
09:06<sreyan32>babilen, I am using apt-get install <package_name> to install my packages. Hopefully thats the correct way.
09:06<gruetzkopf>also: how is debian/kfreebsd and debian/hurd going to work post-systemd
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09:07<themill>gruetzkopf: the same way they always have (hurd doesn't currently work with sysvinit and kfreebsd only works because of some interesting shims)
09:07<babilen>sreyan32: yes, it is.
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09:12<cem>what if add jessie repos into wheezy ? kernel will be upgraded or stay same ? i want it stay same btw
09:13<sreyan32>if anyone uses fatrat canthey tell me if they can resume downloading of large files ? like about 2 GB ?
09:13<babilen>cem: You shouldn't mix wheezy with jessie
09:14<cem>hmm why ?
09:14<sreyan32>I need to download Oracle 11g Standard Edition. Thats why I need a download manager that has a good resume capability
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09:16<cem>how about JDownloader ?
09:17<sreyan32>cem: is it supported in Debian ?
09:17<cem>i m new in debian sorry :D
09:17<sreyan32>cem: Dont I need java for jdownloader ?
09:17<cem>yes you do
09:17<babilen>cem: Because mixing of releases is not supported. Packages make certain assumptions about the environment in which they are running (e.g. library versions) and you simply cannot mix stable with testing without causing problems.
09:18<cem>hmm okey then
09:18<babilen>cem: Please read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html
09:18<babilen>cem: What are you trying to achieve by mixing releases?
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09:19<cem>nothing , i just want to make repos good
09:20<Guest295>exit
09:20<petn-randall>Guest295: /quit
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09:21<babilen>cem: Then use a standard sources.list for wheezy as detailed in the message our bot sent you
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09:22<cem>okey
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09:23<cem>i can't install ati driver , it gives me an error "one more tools required ...."
09:24<petn-randall>cem: Are you using the fglrx driver in the non-free section?
09:24<petn-randall>dpkg: tell cem about fglrx
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09:25<que1>hey guys, do you know BlueGriffon? I already managed to compile it, which was a major PITA, since it depends on mozilla-central. Anyway, I'd like to create a .deb out of it, but it wasn't compiled in a regular way. Are any of you familiar with mozilla-central-like compilation and post packaging?
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09:30<cem>what should i write for my graphic card identifier ?
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09:30<babilen>cem: Do you follow https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary ?
09:30<cem>yes
09:30<cem>i asked for xorg config section
09:31<babilen>cem: It suggests "My GPU" -- Don't you like that?
09:31<cem>ATI HD 4650
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09:31<babilen>cem: You could use that, but there is IMHO nothing wrong with "My GPU"
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09:31<cem>so its not that necessary ?
09:32<babilen>cem: Oh, in case that wasn't obvious: You can literally use "My GPU" it doesn't matter.
09:32<babilen>(or anything else)
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09:33<cem>i can't save that " Error writing /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf: No such file or directory "
09:34<towo^work>mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
09:34<babilen>cem: Did you create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory as instructed?
09:34<towo^work>this directory does not exist
09:34<babilen>Oh, not as instructed. /me edits the wiki
09:35<cem>now its done okey thank you
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09:39<sreyan32>can anyone tell me how to browse the file system in LXDE ?
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09:39<sreyan32>I mean see all my partitions
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09:39<cem>how can i understand it works or not ?
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09:39<sreyan32>Gnome had something called FileSystem but how do I see that in LXDE ?
09:40<devil_>cem: glxinfo | grep -i direct
09:40<devil_>sreyan32: like in a filemanager?
09:40<cem>glxinfo: command not found
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09:41<devil_>cem: as user
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09:41<cem>i tried both way
09:41<cem>still same
09:41<devil_>cem: install mesa-utils
09:41<sreyan32>devil_, yes in LXDE. When I open the File Manager in LXDE it just shows me the root and home partitions not my Windows partitions
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09:42<devil_>sreyan32: no idea, have not seen lxde in ages
09:42<petn-randall>sreyan32: Aren't you running jessie/sid?
09:42<sreyan32>petn-randall, wheezy
09:42<cem>direct rendering: Yes
09:42<cem> GL_EXT_copy_buffer, GL_EXT_copy_texture, GL_EXT_direct_state_access,
09:42<devil_>cem: that means it worked
09:43<cem>ohh cool , thank you all guys :D sorry for my noobies
09:43<devil_>cem: unnoob yourself :)
09:43<cem>:D how ?
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09:43<devil_>you know how
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09:45<cem>ahh when i changes windows , they looks like waves :S
09:45<cem>is there a problem ?
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09:47<TobiX>sreyan32: You probably need any of gvfsd, udisks or something like that...
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09:48<TobiX>sreyan32: Is the package gvfs-backends installed?
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10:00<Guest302>does anyone know why a linux command could be "available" if you enter the first letters and press tab
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10:00<Guest302>but if u enter the full command u get a No such file or directory
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10:04<TobiX>Guest302: completions are cached in most shells, so the command might have disappered...
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10:05<Guest302>well i reinstalled the program with apt-get....
10:05<Guest302>and aptitude shows it clearly as installed
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10:05<Guest302>how are the links to the program created?
10:06<Guest302>might there be an "old" or wrong path to the executeable?
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10:08<elcapo>CrunchBang is Debian hosted by Linode
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10:10<sreyan32>TobiX, are they GUI tools. i need to view NTFS partitions.
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10:11<chris>I have a dell laptop with a Broadcom 4312 Wireless adapter in it. Apparently it doesn't work well with Debian, but I'm trying to get it to work. I've tried several guides on Google, and nothing seems to be getting it working. Any ideas, or more up-to-date guides for that adapter?
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10:11<elcapo>google is mi friend
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10:13<babilen>dpkg: tell chris about bcm4312
10:14<sreyan32>I can no longer view NTFS partitions from LXDE File Manager. what can i do ?
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10:14<chris>babilen, looks like the bot doesn't want me to get this to work either! :D
10:14<babilen>chris: You essentially only need firmware (check your pciid with "lspci -nn|grep -i network") and you could try the <wl> module ...
10:14<babilen>chris: How so?
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10:15<chris>babilen, Sorry, it just took a second to send me the message
10:15<chris>babilen, I tried the wl module and it didn't correct my issue.
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10:16<babilen>chris: Yet another approach would be to try the free module with firmware and a newer kernel from backports. See <backports> and, in particular, <bdo kernel> for details.
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10:17<chris>babilen, One issue I'm running into is that when I attempt to get firmware-b43-lpphy-installer, it tells me it isn't available anymore...
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10:18<babilen>chris: Mind showing me?
10:18<babilen>judd: v firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
10:18<judd>Package: firmware-b43-lpphy-installer on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 4.174.64.19-4; wheezy/contrib: 1:015-14.1
10:18<babilen>chris: You shouldn't have a problem ^^^
10:19<babilen>(assuming you read /topic and asked in the correct channel)
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10:19<TobiX>sreyan32: No, not GUI tools, but packages used by PCManFM to access file systems
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10:20<chris>babilen, I'm just using Mint 16, so I think it is stable
10:20<babilen>dpkg: mint
10:20<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
10:20<babilen>chris: You'd better take it to the right channel then. We quite explicitly only support Debian for a number of technical and social reasons. All the best!
10:21<chris>Ahhh, I thought Mint WAS debian! :(
10:21<sreyan32>TobiX, Earlier when I use to open up my file manager I could see all the partitions there. right now suddenly I can't see anything.
10:21<elcapo>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/adobe-flashplugin_10.2.p2.092710-1_i386.deb: el subproceso script pre-removal nuevo devolvió el código de salida de error 2
10:21<babilen>chris: Well, it wouldn't be called "mint" if it where now would it? ;)
10:21<sreyan32>TobiX, I just don't know whats going on.
10:21<babilen>*were
10:21<babilen>elcapo: Mind pasting the entire output to http://paste.debian.net ?
10:21<chris>babilen, Ubuntu isn't called "mint"... :)
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10:21<babilen>dpkg: tell elcapo -about localised errors
10:22<trico>elcapo: run out of space? i think thats what error 2 is
10:22<babilen>chris: Well, Ubuntu isn't supported in here either nor is anything but Debian. This is #debian after all not #based-on-debian
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10:23<chris>babilen, Ahhh! I gotcha! My appologies! :)
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10:23<babilen>chris: No problem, all the best. If you would like support in here install Debian by following "/msg dpkg install debian"
10:24<chris>babilen, Thanks for setting me straight without being a jerk about it! Very friendly support! :)
10:25<babilen>yay :D
10:25<elcapo>@babilen : i paste
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10:27<babilen>elcapo: Do you have the URL?
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10:29<elcapo>of the fuking plugin i don't know nothig
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10:30<elcapo>tink is firefox gift
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10:31<babilen>elcapo: Please don't swear and be precise in what you are asking. Please also note that Firefox is *not* in Debian as we package it as Iceweasel
10:32<elcapo>i only say that i have a big problemin my system do to the plugin
10:32<sney>I think he said he's using crunchbang
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10:33<elcapo>my synaptic can't uninstall remove reinstall etc. the fking plugin
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10:35<babilen>elcapo: You have already been made aware of the fact that we do not support CrunchBang in this channel. Please take it to the CB support channel (or ##linux on freenode or ...)
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10:35<babilen>dpkg: crunchbang
10:35<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
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10:36<elcapo>i will try babilen tk , see you
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10:37<elcapo>but crunchbang is debian, im sure
10:37<babilen>elcapo: No, it is not. It is based on Debian, but is not Debian. It wouldn't be called Crunchbang if it would, in fact, be Debian.
10:38<babilen>Anyway, lets move on.
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10:43<Garnenya>hello here! I have question about installin wheezy
10:43<babilen>*drumroll*
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10:44<mtn>bated breath
10:44<OdyX>!tell Garnenya about ask
10:44<Garnenya>:) My DVD no. 1 for some reason is not being read by installator, and I'm looking for it one Debian's web page, but I can't find the right file... I'm looking for Debian 7.2.0 DVD 1 for amd64
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10:45<sney>we're in 7.4 now
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10:45<Garnenya>I simply just can't install 7.4 sney
10:45<Garnenya>i need 7.2
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10:46<sney>Garnenya: why?
10:46<Garnenya>admin's restriction :x
10:46<dun>http://ftp.pl.debian.org/pub/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ ?
10:47<babilen>Garnenya: Okay, what do you mean by "not being read by installator" ?
10:47<Garnenya>it shows that there are some problem with reading DVD
10:47<Garnenya>dun <33
10:47<sney>silly admin. once you install 7.2 and update it normally, you'll have 7.4 anyway.
10:47<babilen>Garnenya: And not allowing point releases is a fairly, well, pointless policy ;)
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10:48<babilen>Garnenya: When is it showing that? What did you do with that image?
10:48<babilen>And even more importantly: What is "it" ?
10:48<Garnenya>i did nothing! :o installation program freezed, so i switched to console and I read aboutthat readin problem...
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10:49<babilen>Garnenya: So you didn't burn the image to a DVD?
10:49<Garnenya>I did
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10:49<Garnenya>and i've put it into my dvd drive :P
10:49<Garnenya>and started installation process
10:49<babilen>So you didn't quite do nothing!
10:50<Garnenya>managed my lvm and stuffs there... then i started installing os
10:50<Garnenya>and it freezed at 13 % :)
10:50<Garnenya>and it's like that for............. quite a while :)
10:50<babilen>Garnenya: "and stuffs" ? Do you mean that you completed the partitioning step and that it is failing with UNKNOWN_ERROR later?
10:51<babilen>Garnenya: Okay, and if you switch to console 4 (ALT-F4) does it show an error?
10:51<Garnenya>i finished partitioning step and it went smoothly... lemme check that console...
10:52<Garnenya>i/o errors
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10:53<Garnenya>gonna check if it's broken dvd, that's why i needed that iso image
10:53<babilen>dpkg: tell Garnenya -about check cd
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10:54<babilen>Garnenya: Sounds as if you failed to burn it correctly
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10:54<Garnenya>nope :O that's the problem! I've burnt it well, checked sha256sums of all dvds i got there
10:54<Garnenya>and i've installed normally from those dvds on several computer
10:54<Garnenya>s*
10:55<Garnenya>just now i got some problems
10:55<dun>tesco dvd :)
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10:56<Garnenya>hmmm TDK :P and our company ferret propably knows something about "running" dvds ;)
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10:58<babilen>Garnenya: Well, an I/O error is a pretty obvious and specific thing. Why do you use the DVD anyway? We offer wonderful and tiny netinstall images that would download current packages from the internet during the installation?
10:58<babilen>!
10:59*apachepost ...stuck on company ferrets
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11:00<Garnenya>hmmm... why DVD... cos I had it already burnt, so there was no need to download it... and, even more important: we're working on safe computer (mempo ;) ) which have no connection to internet at all
11:00<Garnenya>apachepost: don't dig into it too deep or you will reach bedrock ;)
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11:03<apachepost>yikes!
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11:03<apachepost>lo
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11:05<Garnenya>btw... speaking about Debian... is here someone who is responsible of Wiki?
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11:08<apachepost>I'm experimenting with ssh, trying to log in to a server on a commercial isp [i think it is alice in Germany]
11:08<apachepost>Is there any chance there is a firewall enabled on their router, by default?
11:08<Garnenya>uhh uhh!!! apachepost: that one I know :) there is even pretty big chance :) but you can always try :)
11:09<apachepost>nmap gives me all ports on their ip are closed, which is good, cause they should be, but i left sshd running for sure
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11:09<apachepost>i totally didn't think of actually a firewall by default. nice statement for german isps :)
11:09<Garnenya>since it's Germany, as you're assuming, and they're pretty strict people...
11:09<dun>apachepost: afair you have to enable port-forwarding on alice's routers
11:10<apachepost>dun: thanks, that is really helpful
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11:11<apachepost>it will be a lot easier if they remember their password hopefully ; ;}
11:12<Garnenya>apachepost, just my curiosity: why you're trying to do this AWFUL thing with their routers?:o
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11:16<apachepost>Garnenya: their request, just did a very successful debian stable install on windows machine they were gonna take back
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11:16<apachepost>and in case of any problems, would be very useful to be able install programs or fetch documents for them
11:17<anarius>Buenas algun hispano :O ?
11:17<apachepost>Garnenya: oops, [in first new comment, 'take back'=throw away]
11:17<Garnenya>uuuuu :) that's nice :) sooo.... when will debian be able to run *.exe files without wine?:)
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11:18<dun>anarius: #debian-es
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11:19<swizgard>apachepost, Garnenya: http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2013/30C3_-_5210_-_de_-_saal_g_-_201312282030_-_bullshit_made_in_germany_-_linus_neumann.html so much for german IPs
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11:20<anarius>thanks - Gracias :D
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11:21<Garnenya>swizgard... huh :o interesting... today is a day of miracles i guess :o
11:21<petn-randall>Garnenya: Why do you want to run Windows exe files *without* wine?
11:22<Garnenya>to set up my lappy fully on Debian of course :) for now i need to run photoshop and others adobe stuff on win 7 :<
11:22<Garnenya>also my graphical tablet will get stuck T.T
11:22<Garnenya>wacom ftw!
11:22<apachepost>swizgard: thanks i've seen many of those, ;) but skipped that1; will take a look on your recc.
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11:23<petn-randall>Garnenya: Yes, but that's what wine is for? It'll never be technically possible to run windows programs without.
11:24<Garnenya>petn-randall, but i do believe in miracles T.T and my lappy will die if i will run photoshop CS6 on wine...
11:25<Garnenya>it's chocking when i'm running homm3 on wine O.o so how ps works smoother if it's more demanding programm?
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11:25<petn-randall>Garnenya: Why would it die? wine doesn't make programs run slower (or faster) than running it natively under windows.
11:27<Garnenya>hmm... since wine works like virtual machine, i assume that i need to give it some of my cpu and memory to run programms... that means: os will slow down a bit and wine will work... but photoshop IS DEMANDING programm as i wrote... means it will eat a lot of my cpu and a lot of my ram...
11:27<Garnenya>i know what u're gonna say: get new laptop o>
11:28<petn-randall>Garnenya: wine is *not* a virtual machine ...
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11:28<Oscar>hello
11:28<Garnenya>hi
11:28<Oscar>anybody here_
11:28<Oscar>oh hi
11:28<Oscar>i need some help
11:28<Oscar>idk if u can help me
11:29<petn-randall>Garnenya: http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-c9e6502ad636315e905d07f7e44594757a6738e3
11:29<Garnenya>petn-randall: then what is exactly wine?
11:29<Garnenya>!tell Oscar about ask
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11:29<mtn>Oscar: tell your problem using whole words and if anyone can help, they will
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11:30<Oscar>k thanks
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11:30<Zaba>Garnenya, wine is a reimplementation of windows libraries on top of unix, plus a loader for windows executable/loadable files
11:31<Garnenya>hmmm... so u're trying to tell me that i will be able to run Photoshop CS6 without any problems on Wine?
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11:31<Garnenya>what about my wacom tablet then?
11:31<Zaba>no, that's not what that means
11:31<abrotman>No, you *might* be able to run it without problems .. They have an appdb
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11:31<mtn>Garnenya: http://www.winehq.org/
11:32<Garnenya>been there mtn
11:32<mtn>Garnenya: your answer is there ;)
11:32<Garnenya>there is no answer about wacom drivers ;)
11:32<abrotman>Check the appdb and/or ask #winehq on freenode
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11:34<Oscar>so, I recently downloaded the DVD ISO Image of Debian and installed it on my laptop, I installed the GNOME desktop enviroment and I didn't like it, I tried to reinstall Debian but this time I was thinking of choosing KDE but it won't let me choose the Desktop enviroment that I want
11:34<sney>!install kde
11:34<dpkg>The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install".
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11:35<sney>you do not need to reinstall your system to change desktop environments.
11:35<petn-randall>Oscar: No need to reinstall ... just install KDE on top of that.
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11:36<Oscar>oh
11:36<Oscar>so I can just install the desktop enviroment directly from Debian , instead of downloading a new ISO file and all that crap?
11:37<Garnenya>yup
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11:37<Garnenya>actually there are few environments in debian repo which you might be able to check ;)
11:38<Oscar>i have used one before
11:38<Oscar>and I think it was kde
11:38<Oscar>maybe xfce
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11:38<Oscar>sorry about the newb question btw, im fairly new with Linux
11:38<Garnenya>how it looked?
11:38<Oscar>i liked the simplicty
11:38<Oscar>that's why i didnt like GNOME
11:38<Garnenya>does it had blue mouse with letter X on it?
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11:38<Oscar>nah
11:38<Garnenya>then not xfce :P
11:39<Oscar>then probably kde
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11:39<dun>did you try gnome classic? its pretty simple imho
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11:39<Oscar>not a big fan of gnome tbh, i dont need all those flashy things, i just need an OS that looks simple and works
11:40<Garnenya>yet xfce is simple
11:40<totte>Oscar: KDE is nice. I'm especially fond of Konversation and Kontact.
11:40<Oscar>idk
11:40<linXea>I just upgraded my kernel to 3.13 (using old config etc). I use LVM + Luks for boot system encryption. The new kernel does not load my USB-keyboard, which mean I cannot type my luks password. I have checked the /etc/initramfs-tools/ (configuration files). "modules=most" and added ehci_hcd, uhci_hcd, usbcore & usbhid to file /etc/initramfs-tools/modules just in case. still no luck. I am using Debian Wheezy
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11:40<Oscar>i just liked kde
11:41<Oscar>about that: Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install
11:42<Oscar>am i supposed to get that after I boot from the CD?
11:42<Garnenya>you're supposed to get that from installed debian
11:42<petn-randall>linXea: We don't support or debug hand built kernels. You can try on ##linux.
11:42<Oscar>oh so from inside the OS_
11:42<Oscar>?
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11:43<Garnenya>yup, there is aplication inbuilt in os for this kind of things
11:43<Garnenya>orrr....
11:43<linXea>petn-randall, well, it is not the kernel itself. The bug seem to be in initramfs-tools, which I would assume would be related to Debian support.
11:43<Oscar>or?¡
11:43<linXea> but if that is the case.. I will find a solution elsewhere
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11:44<petn-randall>linXea: Does it work with stable kernel?
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11:44<Garnenya>Oscar: if you haven't installed debian yet, then when you will boot from cd, you will see that installation screen, where you can pick Advanced options
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11:44<linXea>yes, and I see your point.
11:44<Oscar>I already installed Debian
11:44<Oscar>i will try that
11:44<petn-randall>linXea: Good luck!
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11:45<Oscar>thanks a lot for the help
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11:45<petn-randall>Oscar: Just use your package manager to install KDE, no need to boot from a CD/DVD.
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11:48<Garnenya>ok... i'm on gnome... and it's very irritating when i'm getting that "Hard Disk Problems Detected" notification again and again... i know i have that problem and i'm trying to fix it... how to turn off that notification?
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12:09<sutula>sney: Do you have an easy way of doing a df -h on that server to see how much disk is used?
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12:09<sney>yeah I can check, sec
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12:11<sney>hmm, I'm actually using 97% of 23GB... some log file or cache must be getting out of control. it's usually more like half used. bet my work inbox is getting full of log emails
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12:11<sutula>sney: OK, thanks much!
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12:11*sutula was thinking more like 4-6 G and <1G RAM, but maybe that's unrealistic
12:12<dun>I run some joomla websites on mine and the system uses about 2,5g disk space. 2 gb ram
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12:14<sutula>dun: Thanks
12:14<sney>sutula: disk space just depends on what you're putting on it, but ram is a big deal for apache and php
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12:14<sney>(consider using some event-model httpd rather than apache prefork if you run into memory issues)
12:14<dun>also, I dont know exactly how vps handle this, but my cheap vps says it has only 256mb of RAM and it handles a joomla installation with apache2
12:15<musca>also capacity boundaries of virtual harddrives are fluid.
12:15<sutula>It's a pain to resize the filesystem though
12:15<sutula>...well, easier to increase :)
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12:25<antoine33>Hello
12:26<SynrG>!ask
12:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:26<antoine33>Someone here can help me ? I try to install displaylink for multiscreen, I have change the xorg.conf and doesn't work
12:26<nocturnal>does anyone know what the difference is between the passwords in shadow on wheezy and the passwords you get from openssl passwd -1 -salt "$(openssl rand 6 -base64)" I'm referring mostly to the length of the encrypted string, and the $6$ bit before the salt in shadow. is it necessary for me to generate that precise type of password or is the openssl passwd equally secure?
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12:27<nocturnal>the goal is simply to generate a password for my preseed file so I could just take one from shadow of course.
12:27<nocturnal>but I'd like to know if I could use openssl for it
12:28<antoine33>http://pastebin.com/mRapMwgJ here my xorg.conf file
12:29<antoine33>I have bought 2 Universal Multi-Display Adapter (Kensington)
12:30<antoine33>And the devices were recognise : Bus 001 Device 005: ID 17e9:430f DisplayLink Bus 001 Device 006: ID 17e9:430f DisplayLink
12:30<antoine33>Sorry for my poor english
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12:34<SynrG>sorry, not really familiar with ATI proprietary config tools. if nobody here can help, maybe see #ati @ irc.freenode.net?
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12:35<UBTwo>Hi all, any TrueCrypt "expert" here? In Debian Live I'm looking for the 'System' menu in TC GUI, especially the 'mount system volume w/o PBA'? Is that non-existent in Linux?
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12:36<SynrG>UBTwo: maybe a function of how it's started? e.g. gksudo <whatever> instead?
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12:38<SynrG>UBTwo: how do you even have a Debian Live image? i assumed you meant official images, but i don't see TrueCrypt in wheezy ... and i know we have no images for jessie yet ... self-built? or provided by a third party?
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12:38<SynrG>for your jessie-related inquiries, see #debian-next
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12:40<cem_>hi , i can't use touchpad to click on anything in wheezy , how can i solve this ?
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12:42<babilen>cem_: Did you enable clicking? Are you using a desktop environment?
12:42<cem_>yes xfce
12:42<cem_>there is no clicking part to enable
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12:43<babilen>cem_: No idea about XFCE but it might provide a mouse setting thingie in which you can configure that. If that is not provided you can configure Xorg directly by creating a configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d (called, for example, 20-synaptics.conf)
12:43<cem_>i don't know how to :(
12:44<babilen>cem_: Options would be documented in "man 4 synaptics" .. and give me a second to paste a suitable configuration file.
12:44<cem_>thank you
12:44<UBTwo>SynrG: actually I tried to use Tails (tails.boum.org) as a rescue medium for Win systems
12:45<SynrG>UBTwo: and tails includes this software? in that case, seek support from Tails ...
12:45<cem_>i found this ? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/touch-pad-not-working-in-debian-7-wheezy-4175463678/
12:45<SynrG>!tails
12:45<dpkg>Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. https://tails.boum.org/ #tails on irc.oftc.net.
12:45<UBTwo>guess what I did 1st, SynrG :) They say "it's only for legacy"
12:46<SynrG>cem_: by "clicking", do you mean "touch to click"?
12:46<cem_>yes
12:46<cem_>tap function
12:46<SynrG>that's an Xorg setting, disabled by default
12:46<babilen>cem_: http://paste.debian.net/81719 would be an example. You are, specifically, looking for 'Option "TapButton1" "1"' -- You can also set that manually by running "synclient TapButton1=1"
12:46<SynrG>DEs either do or do not expose a knob for that ...
12:46<SynrG>when they don't, it's an Xorg config as babilen is teaching about
12:46<SynrG>!synaptics
12:46<dpkg>Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>.
12:46<UBTwo>I was just hoping s/o here knew, will spread my question over different channels then. Thanks and bye!
12:46<babilen>cem_: If you run "synclient TapButton1=1" can you tap?
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12:47<cem_>yes it worked
12:47<cem_>thank you so much :D
12:47<SynrG>for the DEs that do expose a knob for it (e.g. GNOME) they may actively work against you using synclient to set it
12:47<babilen>cem_: Ugh, don't follow the advice in that post! Remember to *never* edit anything in /usr, but to always do so in /etc
12:47<SynrG>i guess xfce4 isn't one of those :)
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12:48<cem_>okey got ya
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12:48<babilen>cem_: Okay, that setting will be gone. Create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory with "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" and then create a file called 25-synaptic.conf (name is not important if it ends in .conf) with the content I pasted earlier. Read "man 4 synaptics" for applicable options.
12:48<twin>am new here
12:49<SynrG>and the wiki has it right ... you can copy the /usr stuff to /etc ...
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12:49<twin>wat?
12:49<babilen>twin: What can we do for you? Do you require help with Debian?
12:49<twin>je comprend rien
12:49<cem_>okey one moment
12:49<SynrG>twin: you've jumped into a busy channel where other people are talking about other problems
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12:49<SynrG>also:
12:49<SynrG>!fr
12:49<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
12:50<babilen>cem_: This is necessary as settings with synclient will be gone as soon as you restart. Creating that configuration file makes them "permanent"
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12:50<twin>ok. how to choose a canal?
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12:50<cem_>okey got ya
12:51<babilen>twin: What do you require help with?
12:51<twin>am even new on xubuntu
12:51<babilen>dpkg: ubuntuirc twin
12:51<dpkg>twin: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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12:51<babilen>twin: All the best. There should be an #ubuntu-fr channel too if you prefer to speak French
12:51<twin>ok
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12:52<twin>no one there
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12:53<babilen>twin: The channel is on irc.freenode.net not on this network. Please follow the advice given by our bot above.
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12:54<cem_>how can i know which number i should give ?
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12:54<babilen>cem_: Give where exactly?
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12:54<cem_>your script
12:54<twin>is here french people
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12:55<twin>?
12:56<cem_>there are numbers in that , http://paste.debian.net/81719
12:59<babilen>cem_: it's not a script, but a configuration file and the meaning of the numbers is discussed in the manpage "man 4 synaptics" -- Read NOTES at the end in particular which includes "Button mapping for physical buttons is handled in the server. If the device is switched to left-handed (an in-server mapping of physical buttons 1, 2, 3 to the logical buttons 3, 2, 1, respectively), ..."
12:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 689] by debhelper
12:59<babilen>twin: You are still in the wrong channel. Please learn how to use IRC and follow the advice given by the bot above.
12:59<babilen>dpkg: tell twin -about irc tutorial
12:59<babilen>cem_: You essentially tell it which mouse button a specific tap event corresponds to
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14:22<cmyers>I see this debian pkg in my web browser: http://code.bitlbee.org/debian/devel/wheezy/amd64/bitlbee_3.2.1+otr4+20131220+devel+1004-1_amd64.deb I've added it to my sources.list like this: "deb http://code.bitlbee.org/debian/devel/wheezy/amd64 ./". I am running wheezy amd64. I do `aptitude update` and `aptitude versions bitlbee` and it sees that version of bitlbee-common but can't find that version of bitlbee. Why?
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14:25<anoop>i have Debian Wheezy 7.4... My Nautilus is able to open Home folder.... but when i click certain folders inside Home it just keep shows the "circle waiting"... Any help ?
14:26<babilen>cmyers: We neither recommend nor support third-party repositories and I would also like to point out that bitlbee has been packaged in Debian already
14:26<babilen>judd: v bitlbee
14:26<judd>Package: bitlbee on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.8-1; squeeze-backports: 3.0.5-1.2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.0.5-1.2; jessie: 3.2.1+otr4-1; sid: 3.2.1+otr4-1
14:26<anoop> i have Debian Wheezy 7.4... My Nautilus is able to open Home folder.... but when i click certain folders inside Home it just keep shows the "circle waiting"... Any help ?
14:26<babilen>dpkg: tell anoop -about repeat
14:27<anoop>i use Debian Wheezy 7.4
14:27<anoop>From today this nautilus is not opening certain folders inside the Home Folder
14:27<babilen>anoop: Can you see them on the command line? Anything special about your setup? What does "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l nautilus|tail -n1" give you?
14:28<cmyers>babilen: thanks - I know that, but I need a newer version
14:28<babilen>anoop: What happened today?
14:28<cmyers>and I'm not asking for support with the repo, I'm asking for support with aptitude to help figure out why it isn't working
14:28<babilen>cmyers: Which version do you need?
14:28<cmyers>I've done considerable research before coming to you guys
14:28<cmyers>3.2.1+ for twitter oauth support
14:28<babilen>cmyers: You could backport it yourself.
14:28<babilen>judd: checkbackport bitlbee
14:28<judd>Backporting package bitlbee in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy.
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14:28<babilen>dpkg: ktell cmyers -about ssb
14:28<dpkg>babilen: are you smoking crack?
14:28<babilen>dpkg: tell cmyers -about ssb
14:29<babilen>cmyers: Apart from that I would have to see your sources.list, the output of "apt-cache policy" and that of "apt-cache policy bitlbee" on http://paste.debian.net
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14:29<anoop>when i type nautilus in terminal i get this : root@debian:/home/anoop# nautilus
14:29<anoop>Initializing nautilus-dropbox 1.6.1
14:29<anoop>** (nautilus:8058): WARNING **: /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-3.0/libnautilus-gksu.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
14:29<anoop>Initializing nautilus-gdu extension
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14:29<babilen>...
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14:31<cmyers>babilen: thx, I will consider building the backport myself. I'd prefer to use the existing pkgs if possible though, since they are built by the maintainer and are "known to work" if I can just get them installed. plus I am likely to want to run nightlies in the future too
14:31<cmyers>http://pastebin.com/SCeMuRNE
14:31<cmyers>^^ that has my apt-cache policy output
14:32<babilen>cmyers: Please don't use pastebin.com but http://paste.debian.net or another pastebin service.
14:32<cmyers>alrighty
14:32<babilen>thanks (no need to repaste it, but pastebin.com frequently mangles input, asks for captchas, has lots of "social" crap buttons and ....)
14:32<cmyers>I see.
14:33<babilen>cmyers: So, what's the problem?
14:33<cmyers>ah, lemme include the bad output in a pastebin too
14:33<babilen>cmyers: their repo seems to be, well, suboptimally configured
14:34<babilen>dpkg: tell anoop_ -about paste
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14:34<babilen>anoop_: Please paste the output of "apt-cache policy", "apt-cache policy nautilus" and "apt-cache policy nautilus-dropbox" to http://paste.debian.net . Also tell us what happened today and where /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-3.0/libnautilus-gksu.so is from.
14:35<cmyers>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/81737/
14:35<cmyers>babilen: my question is basically "why can it see bitlbee-common version X but not bitlbee version X?"
14:36<babilen>cmyers: May I see your sources.list ?
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14:36<cmyers>babilen: sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/81738/
14:37<babilen>cmyers: Where is that documented?
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14:37<cmyers>the repo url? http://wiki.bitlbee.org/Packages
14:38<babilen>cmyers: "apt-get update" ?
14:38<babilen>weird repo
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14:38<babilen>cmyers: Well, this isn't really a Debian issue ...
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14:39<cmyers>babilen: apt-get update succeeds with no errors (finds Release.gpg, Release, and Packages, ignores two translations things)
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14:39<babilen>cmyers: Their repository is very weirdly layed out
14:41<babilen>Not sure and would rather like to do something else now. You should ask them :-/
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14:41<cmyers>babilen: alright, thanks for your help so far. I appreciate it
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14:42<babilen>cmyers: And why are you using amd64 if you have a i386 box?
14:43<cmyers>babilen: I don't. `uname -a` => Linux cmyers.org 2.6.32-x86_64-linode11 #1 SMP Sat Dec 5 16:55:26 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
14:43<cmyers>bitlbee may have used to be available in i386 only, so I might have had i386 pkgs installed in the past
14:43<babilen>cmyers: "dpkg --print-architecture" ?
14:43<cmyers>oh snap! that says "i386"
14:43<babilen>...
14:43<cmyers>this linode may have migrated from i386 to amd64...
14:44<cmyers>ballz
14:44<cmyers>can I just tell dpkg "jkjk it's amd64 now"?
14:44<babilen>cmyers: You can easily install an amd64 kernel on i386 userland
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14:44<babilen>cmyers: But seriously, that horrible bitlbee repository should be configured in a sensible way
14:45<babilen>cmyers: you are still on i386 -- and, fwiw, I wouldn't necessarily consider that to be pure Debian. But so, lets move on as we've ventured quite far into the "debatable if still official" territory
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14:48<cmyers>I guess I'm wondering if I can upgrade/replace my userland with amd64 to "make things pure debian"
14:49<cmyers>or if that'd be dangerous / require a fresh install / etc
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14:49<sney>cmyers: yeah that's not possible
14:50<cmyers>ah, well I don't want to rebuild this box today, so I'll just request the i386 arch package. I suppose that should work. thanks again all
14:51<babilen>cmyers: And it's the linode kernel I am on about.
14:51<sney>yeah my linode vps has some nonstandard kernel too. I'm not sure why. but the system behaves otherwise so I leave it
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14:55<babilen>cmyers: fwiw, I would personally strongly prefer Debian packages rather than some third-party ones. Note that from this moment on your system is essentially unsupported by us due to this decision.
14:55<babilen>anyway ..
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14:57<cmyers>this system burned that bridge a long time ago. Some people would turn their nose up just at having "non-free" in there. But fortunately, the internet is full of helpful people that aren't mindless zombie 1st-teir-india-tech-support morons who will occasionally help me root-cause a problem instead of looking for the first excuse to not help at all, like they are best buy trying not to eat the cost of a broken electronic device.
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14:58<cmyers>using "unapproved packages" can cause problems, but most problems I will have are probably not caused by it.
14:58<cmyers>as in this case
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14:58<sney>cmyers: the downside of burning that bridge, so to speak, is you drop official support. there's too many variables involved once you create frankendebian. it's a tradeoff
14:59<sney>I'll do it occasionally as well, but I know I'm on my own when I do
14:59<cmyers>sure. but "official support" only means so much anyways.
14:59<cmyers>I'm not exactly paying you guys here
14:59<cmyers>when I fuck up my work desktop, my IT guys can go yell at canonical and basically make them undo whatever unspeakable things I've done
14:59<cmyers>because we pay them money
14:59<cmyers>sucks to be them
14:59<babilen>cmyers: It's about the scope of this channel and we are quite clear about only supporting Debian. Please, lets leave it at this.
14:59<cmyers>you guys aren't that =)
15:00<sney>it is the official support channel as far as the debian project is concerned. it's staffed by volunteers, but we've decided to support debian in our spare time, not anything-apt-under-the-sun-that-you-found-or-made-yourself
15:00<babilen>+1
15:01<cmyers>ok, but are you saying most people on this channel will refuse to support a box as soon as they discover a single foreign package installed?
15:01<cmyers>even if the problem has nothing to do with that?
15:01<dun>babilen: "I would personally strongly prefer Debian packages rather than some third-party one". is torproject an exception? just curious :)
15:01<cmyers>you seem to be advocating a very narrow view of "pure debian"
15:01<cmyers>dun: yeah, that's a good example too
15:01<sney>that's the official rule. in practice it's more on a case by case basis, but if you're having a problem and you don't know how to solve it, then you may not be the best judge of what is or isn't the cause
15:01<gruetzkopf>i prefer to build tor myself
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15:02<sney>apt tends to get tied in knots when weird 3rd party stuff gets involved, and this can cause seemingly unrelated issues as well as obvious ones
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15:03<sney>some people here will be patient and try to help anyway. this isn't really encouraged but it's IRC with volunteers, so the quality varies. and so do the results.
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15:05<sney>cmyers: best practice I've found with 3rd party packages is to skip 3rd party repositories and just download the .debs themselves and install directly. reduces the chance of apt breakage and gives you more control
15:05<sney>that's a general case though.
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15:05<cmyers>sney: I've done that before too. I guess if I put the repo in and do a hold, it's basically the same thing
15:05<cmyers>except I won't have to go looking for the repo again later
15:06<babilen>Lets stop it please.
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15:06<cmyers>uh oh, the OT nazi thinks talking about installing debian packages on a debian system is OT in #debian. *le sigh*
15:06<babilen>cmyers: Your issue was only an issue because that repo isn't anywhwere near standard, but fair enough, you've got help. Please don't let me regret that and lets leave it at his.
15:07<sney>babilen isn't the OT nazi, that's abrotman
15:07<babilen>ffs
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15:07<roughnecks>lol sney
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15:08<@abrotman>excuse me ?
15:08<babilen>sney: That isn't funny. At all. I expect you to get this straight with abrotman.
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15:11<roughnecks>i thought it was just a joke. No big deal
15:12<@abrotman>It may have been, though, the term was a bit heavy-handed .. I understand what he was getting at though
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15:38<Guest333>Hello. My debian installation crashed, and when I boot up my PC, it makes some 'beep' sounds and will stop. I am right now running a Live CD (Ubuntu) and I'm trying to move my files to another hard disk, in order to re-install debian afterwards. However, when I try to copy the files, it says that I have no permissions to do this. I can't even access some folders. What should I do? THanks.
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15:42<sney>Guest333: that could be a disk issue. what exactly did you do to connect the hard drives you're using?
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15:44<Guest333>sney: These disks have been in my box for months.
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15:45<Guest333>I just need to copy the files and reinstall. What stops me is the permission 'errors'
15:45<sney>Guest333: ok, and you made sure they're both mounted rw in your live environment?
15:46<Guest333>sney, yeah, they are mounted. I can access some files, but others give me these permission errors.
15:46<sney>can you pastebin one of the commands you're running along with the error?
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15:49<sney>along with ls -l of the given file
15:49<Guest333>I'm not running any commands. I'm using the windows' manager that comes with ubuntu (lubuntu, to me exact). The error is: 'Error oppening directory '/media/lubuntu/....../Downloads':Permission denied.
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15:51<sney>Guest333: ok, can you try doing your copy operations from the terminal then? it's hard to diagnose with a file manager
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15:55<Guest333>sney, sure. the problem is that I have an older back up of my disk on the for-back-up disk, which is almost full. I can't copy the files again in it, it has 20 GB empty and the files are approximately 160 GB
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15:55<sney>ok, so use rsync?
15:55<sney>or rdiff-backup etc
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15:56<sney>you should probably test copying some file and figure out your permissions issue first, though
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15:57<Guest333>ok. I'm not a terminal buff, though.. could you be more specific? thanks so far. I will check rsync
15:58<sney>cp /path/to/somefile /path/to/destination
15:58<sney>do that for something that was denying you earlier
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16:01<Guest333>"cp: omitting directory '/....../home'
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16:02<Guest333>It omits the directory that I can't access
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16:04<Guest333>How likely is it that my hard disk died? It happened all suddenly, I shut down my computer and when booted up some hours later it was making these beep sounds.
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16:09<sney>Guest333: for copying directories, use 'cp -a'
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16:10<sney>Guest333: best bet for checking your hard disk is to get the (standalone, bootable) test utility from the disk manufacturer
16:10<smokejohn>hey anyone having issues with desktop effects under kde on i3?
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16:11<sney>i3 the window manager or i3 the cpu?
16:11<Guest333>sney, now that I did, I get the first error (permission denied). I tried sudo and it froze ..
16:11<smokejohn>sney: i3 cpu with the onboard gpu
16:12<smokejohn>everything was working just perfect a couple of days ago
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16:12<sney>Guest333: that does sound like a disk issue then
16:12<petn-randall>sney: smartctl should do great for most cases.
16:12<smokejohn>I updated some packages related plasma and kde and boom
16:12<sney>smokejohn: did you upgrade/change anything major in those couple of days?
16:12<smokejohn>yes sney
16:12<smokejohn>some kde related packages
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16:12<smokejohn>and I am still trying to figure out what happened
16:12<Guest333>sney, it started copying it now with the sudo command
16:12<sney>petn-randall: eh, it gives false positives and negatives... vendor util is more trustworthy
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16:13<sney>Guest333: ok, let us know if anything changes
16:13<sney>smokejohn: what debian version is this?
16:13<smokejohn>unstable
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16:14<Guest333>sney, and for some reason, it shows up as a 32 kb folder, why it's loaded with lot's of GB's. I will tell you if something happens.
16:14<smokejohn>I guess my mirror has a few hours delay but I got the updates yesterday
16:14<smokejohn>I do updates daily
16:14<sney>smokejohn: sid is supported in #debian-next, check bugs.debian.org to see if someone else has reported your issue. (the package would be kwin)
16:14<smokejohn>(list-bug is installed to save the day)
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16:15<smokejohn>ok i will throw a question in #debian-next
16:15<smokejohn>thanks
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16:18<babilen>dpkg: tell smokejohn -about cross-post
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16:18<babilen>oh .. nvm
16:18<sney>:P
16:18<babilen>*sigh*
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16:19<Guest333>*taps back* it's ok
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16:37<Cloud1978>Is anyone here running Mepis OS?
16:38<towo`>this is #debian
16:38<towo`>so maybe no
16:38<Cloud1978>Mepis is a OS off Debian
16:39<towo`>but it's not debian
16:39<Cloud1978>run off the same system
16:39<Cloud1978>I suppose
16:39<babilen>dpkg: mepis
16:39<dpkg>MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on Debian. SimplyMEPIS 11 (based on Squeeze), SimplyMEPIS 8.0/8.5 (based on Lenny) and antiX (based on <testing>) are not supported in #debian. http://www.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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16:40<Cloud1978>I was wondering as i am new to this system is there were any good packages to download?
16:41<Cloud1978>What have you downloaded on your Debian systems
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16:42<sney>!popcon
16:42<dpkg>it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
16:42<babilen>Cloud1978: You want to seek support in #mepis on irc.freenode.net -- we only support Debian. You can, naturally, install Debian by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg install debian"
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17:20<cem_>hi i can't open tar.xz files why ?
17:21<devil_>cem_: how do you try?
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17:21<cem_>double-click on it
17:21<babilen>heh
17:21<root>file-roller ?
17:21<babilen>..... installed?
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17:22<cem_>nope
17:22<cem_>is that what i need ?
17:22<babilen>It is
17:22<cem_>okey thank you
17:23<cem_>142 mb ouch :D
17:23<devil_>cem_: if you do not want to use a terminal, you need some sort of software, yes
17:23<root>no way
17:23<cem_>i tried tar -xvfz but it didnt work
17:23<devil_>cem_: where are you installing from?
17:23<root>6253kb
17:24<babilen>cem_: Which desktop environment do you use and could you paste the output? file-roller itself shouldn't nearly need that much space.
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17:24<cem_>synaptic package manager
17:24<devil_>cem_: that works since 30 years if done right
17:24<sney>the flag for .xz is J, not z
17:24<sney>and the f always comes last
17:24<devil_>cem_: that file is never that big
17:24<babilen>cem_: Could you run "apt-get install file-roller" and show us the output on http://paste.debian.net ?
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17:24<cem_>okey
17:24<root>file-roller3421 from stable
17:25<cem_>here it is http://pastebin.com/L4KPZtdr
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17:26<babilen>Didn't I mention http://paste.debian.net ?
17:26<cem_>sorry
17:26<root>you seem to instal a bit more than just that ;)
17:27<babilen>cem_: Which desktop environment do you use?
17:27<cem_>http://paste.debian.net/81771/
17:27<cem_>xfce
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17:29<babilen>btw, I also like tools like atool, unp and unar (currently use the first most often)
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17:29<babilen>cem_: Ah, well. file-roller is the plugin for nautilus which is the standard file manager in Gnome, which is why it pulls in a bunch of Gnome related packages.
17:30<cem_>ah okey
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17:30<cem_>i did with tar -xvJf this worked thank you
17:30<babilen>cem_: Do you have thunar-archive-plugin installed?
17:31<babilen>cem_: I'd look into atool for the command line and suitable thunar plugins for, well, thunar
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17:31<cem_>no i didnt install anything yet except unrar
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17:32<babilen>cem_: If you use "unusual" setups such as !Gnome you should mention that. Just ask "Trying to unpack a xz packed file in thunar. What do I need for that" (or so)
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17:32<babilen>judd: info thunar-archive-plugin
17:32<cem_>ah okey sorry
17:32<judd>Package thunar-archive-plugin (xfce, optional) in wheezy/i386: Archive plugin for Thunar file manager. Version: 0.3.0-4; Size: 51.0k; Installed: 511k
17:32<cem_>thunar-archive-plugin is already the newest version.
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17:33<Guest354>sney, I accidentally clicked something on the lubuntu live cd and it deleted my partitions on both hard disks.. when I noticed, I instantly restarted my computer.. does that mean I lost all my data?
17:33<Guest354>(I noticed within 2 to 5 seconds)..
17:33<babilen>cem_: I thought that it uses file-roller as backend .. you might want to investigate that.
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17:34<sney>Guest354: no, deleting the partitions doesn't affect the data, but you will need to recreate the partitions in the same places if you want to recover them
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17:34<Guest354>sney, how do I do this, PLEASE.
17:34<babilen>How is that a question to be asked in #debian and not #ubuntu?
17:34<sney>babilen: he's trying to recover his hosed debian system post disk failure
17:34<babilen>ah!
17:34<Guest354>I was messing with the disk in order to install debian afterwards
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17:34<Guest354>I needed a windows' environment
17:35<babilen>Guest354: All the best - I take it that you do not have a backup of your partition table?
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17:35<Guest354>sney, I can access the internet through it.
17:36<Guest354>Do I use gparted?
17:36<sney>that is one option, yes
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17:36<cem_>i didnt install file-roller maybe i should learn commands properly to be good in linux instead using applications
17:36<sney>cem_: usually a good approach
17:37<babilen>cem_: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html (the rest of the book is excellent too)
17:37<sney>+1 debian-handbook
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17:38<colgrn>hello
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17:38<sney>hi
17:38<colgrn>i am trying to install debian on a macbook pro retina. since it doesnt have a ethernet interface i am using a usb-to-ethernet adapter, however its driver is only in kernel 3.9 if i got it right. its asix ax88179. the standard debian installer doesnt such a new kernel, are ther any alternative installers?
17:38<colgrn>wanted to ask in #debian-boot, but it seems the people arent online right now :)
17:39<sney>the testing installer has a newer kernel, though whether the testing installer will work on a given day is up to luck
17:39<sney>Guest354: please keep your questions in the channell.
17:40<cem_>okey thank you guys for your helps
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17:40<Guest354>I need help to partition my hard disks, that contain all my data. I accidentally deleted the partitions. How do I restore them? I am on GParted right now.
17:40<cem_>especially babilen you helped me alot today i appreciated , no offense guys :D
17:41<Guest354>Do I just right click them and click 'new'?
17:41<colgrn>sney: you mean the one in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ right?
17:41<sney>Guest354: you create new partitions in the same size and same order as you had originally. if those partitions were created by the debian installer's defaults, that's probably 1 big partition for your data and 1 relatively smaller for swap
17:41<sney>colgrn: that's the one
17:41<devil_>Guest354: gparted is of no use at all to get lost data back
17:41<colgrn>sney: thanks, i will give it a try
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17:44<raph_ael>hi, i read some things about the vote on init, is it done or still in discussion ?
17:45<sney>raph_ael: it has been officially announced as systemd, but there is still a chance that this will change
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17:45<devil_>raph_ael: systemd won
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17:45<mtn>so, it is officially: maybe
17:45<devil_>raph_ael: there are discussions about the impact for jessie. there might be a GR or not
17:46<sney>https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/02/msg00005.html for the official announcement
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17:47<Guest354>devil_ , then what should I do?
17:47<devil_>Guest354: are you trying to retrieve lost data?
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17:48<devil_>Guest354: then look into testdisk. do yourself a favour and read their webpage first to not make things worse
17:48<sney>devil_: he butterfingered his partition table in the course of copying data off of a dying drive. the data is, as far as we can tell, still there
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17:48<sney>so recreating the partitions should be sufficient
17:48<Guest354>devil_ , I was trying to do a new installation. I kept a back-up on my 2nd HD, but deleted the partitions there, as well, accidentally. When noticed that the partitions on both HD's would be deleted, I instantly restarted my PC.. which probably means that the only thing that was affected was my partitions.
17:48<devil_>well, then testdisk to the rescue
17:49<devil_>sney: did you ever do that? I always try to put the partition table back in place first
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17:49<sney>I can happily say I've never accidentally deleted my partition table
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17:50<devil_>I would guess, gparted does more harm than good, but never tried, so I might be wrong
17:50<sney>it's just a parted frontend. it's not like it'll call mkfs. (I don't think)
17:50<Guest354>devil_ I can actually see my partitions, I am not sure, though. There are 4 partitions on my large disk, including the 463 GB one.. what does that mean?
17:51<Guest354>It just changed to swap
17:51<Guest354>I think
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17:51<devil_>sney: and I never did. but a nice user at a linux conference thought it would be nice to install another Os on a partition of my notebook
17:51<devil_>Guest354: see them with what?
17:51<Guest354>GParted.
17:51<mahollowspe>hello I am trying to set up open VPN on my VPS but am getting an error when I put in this command: ./build-key-server server. it says no such file or directory. I'm sure I did not skip a step so Im not sure what I did wrong:/ thanks
17:52<devil_>Guest354: I would look at them with testdisk, preferably from a live cd.
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17:54<Guest354>devil_ installing testdisk right now.. hope you can instruct me.
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17:55<devil_>Guest354: not really, I use it maybe once every few years. but they have a good webpage
17:55<devil_>Guest354: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
17:57<Guest354>hmmm, sney.. I tried to turn the partition on my 1st disk into ext4. How do I mount it?
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17:59<raph_ael>devil_: sney : thanks
17:59<raph_ael>i still hope it will change
17:59<devil_>raph_ael: do not hold your breath :)
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18:00<raph_ael>devil_: i still prefer life over an init choice :)
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18:00<devil_>my guess is even a GR would end with systemd
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18:03<raph_ael>devil_: i find it strange that debian choose this way, but well
18:03<Guest354>I am analyzing the disk.. wish me good luck
18:03<devil_>raph_ael: what is strange about it? I congratulate debian for a choice that takes it to the future
18:04<devil_>but this is probably a bit offtopic
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18:05<raph_ael>devil_: systemd is unportable, fat, does way too much things and produces binary logs very far from modularity and especially it won't be easy to change this choice after
18:05<raph_ael>devil_: what chan would be better for this ?
18:05<devil_>raph_ael: #debian-offtopic
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18:06<raph_ael>devil_: ok thanks
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18:13<Guest354>devil_, can you remember how long it took to recover your files? was it a lot of GB's?
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18:14<devil_>Guest354: it took a couple of days for ~ 200 GB
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18:14<Guest354>devil_ .. couple is more and less than ..
18:14<devil_>Guest354: but in your case I would first try recovering the partition table
18:15<devil_>Guest354: something betwee 36 and 48 hours iirc
18:15<Guest354>Yeah, I think that it is testdisk is analyzing for the partitions right now
18:15<devil_>that will take maybe 30 minutes
18:16<Guest354>Yes, it's on 45% right now
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18:16<devil_>after analyzing it should suggest to rebuild partition table, which will make your data 'visible' again
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18:17<devil_>hopefully
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18:18*devil_ needs to walk the dog
18:19<Guest354>Hope so. It will be an interesting experience if everything will work right, if you exclude the vomit-like feeling I am having right now
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18:33<Guest354>It failed to find any partitions, now it's looking 'deeper'.
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18:49<devil_>Guest354: if that still fails to find them you will need photorec to retrieve as many data as possible. what kind of data was lost?
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18:51<Guest354>devil_ valuable photos and videos, some very important school related files and some other files that I've been collecting for months
18:51<devil_>photorec is part of testdisc. depending on the value of your data, you might want to employ a professional data retrival service
18:51<devil_>but that is not a cheap saolution
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18:52<devil_>-a
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18:54<Guest354>devil_ why do you think that I may need a professional data retrieval service? this doesn't exist where I live. Will, for example, photos that will be retrieved with photorec look messed up?
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18:54<devil_>no, they just loose their filenames and have cryptic numbers
18:55<Guest354>cryptic numbers? filenames doesn't matter.. all I need is them back :)
18:55<Guest354>don't*
18:55<devil_>some you might not be 100% complete
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18:58<sney>and in the future, for volumes that have important data on them, some kind of redundancy is a good idea. backups, mirroring, cloud thingies, etc
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18:59<devil_>Guest354: do you have a disk to save your data to?
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19:00<Guest354>devil_ I have an external one but it's almost full. I will try to save them on my main hard disk which has more than enough space.
19:02<devil_>Guest354: no, you don't want that, you want to use a live cd (as I said before) and a different disk
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19:03<Guest354>I am using a live CD right now. I am restoring from my 2nd HD. The files were also there, and it's more untouched than the main one.
19:03<devil_>do not restore to the same disk.
19:03<Guest354>'I am restoring' well, not yet
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19:03<devil_>I know
19:04<Guest354>I shouldn
19:04<devil_>it is your data, you know their value
19:04<Guest354>I shouldn't restore them from my 2nd HD to the first one?
19:05<devil_>that is ok
19:05<devil_>if there is enough room for all of them
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19:10<Guest354>It seems that it won't detect them. I will try to analyze my 1st HD afterwards. The partitions seem to be there for it (kind of)
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19:11<Guest354>So, I'd like to advice people here to unplug their HD's that they keep their back-ups in when they edit their partitions.
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19:14<devil_>Guest354: or look at every setting twice before hitting enter
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19:15<makospityputy>Hi all! any advice for a nice irc client?
19:17<devil_>sure. konversation.
19:17<sney>konversation/hexchat|xchat/irssi/weechat seem to be the top 4
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19:17<devil_>but that is for kde. so your question was not precise enough :)
19:17<makospityputy>sorry gnome
19:18<makospityputy>gnome-fallback to be exact
19:18<sney>xchat is probably what you want. or hexchat, which is on mentors, so you'd have to build it (but it's easy)
19:18<devil_>well, hexchat is gtk afaik,
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19:19<devil_>or snatch it from siduction
19:19<devil_>2.9.6.1.siduction.14
19:19<makospityputy>what that means "gtk afaik"?
19:19<sney>!frankendebian
19:19<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
19:20<devil_>:)
19:20<devil_>sney: built for sid
19:20<devil_>makospityputy: afaik= as far as I know
19:20<makospityputy>;) oops thx
19:21<sney>the most straightforward answer is "apt-get install xchat"
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19:21<sney>much as I'd love to toot my own horn on my hexchat package
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19:24<oldlaptop>makospityputy: quassel is very compelling if you would normally want to use a bouncer
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19:25<oldlaptop>the actual IRC client runs on your server somewhere (VPS, old P3 - I use a raspberrypi), that stays connected to IRC all the time, keeping logs for you
19:25<oldlaptop>you can then connect to it with the quassel client (which is a qt desktop thing), and have all your scrollback, etc
19:27<jim>Im having trouble with registering this nick
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19:28<sney>jim: http://www.oftc.net/FAQ/Services/ but it's possible someone already claimed that one.
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19:42<rjsalts>is there a way of using file on an unlinked file when the inode is still around because of a running process?
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19:54<Arrowmaster>rjsalts: you can open the file through /proc/<pid>/fd/*
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20:12<rjsalts>Arrowmaster: They're symbolic links, you get broken symbolic link to `foo (deleted)'
20:12<Arrowmaster>you can still open it though
20:12<Arrowmaster>try copying the file to a new location
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20:17<rjsalts>Arrowmaster: you can't open it, the file isn't there because /proc/$pid/fd/[1-9][0-9]* is a symbolic link to a file, which is deleted in this case
20:19<Arrowmaster>i used to have a shell script that would open any flash swf files through /proc/$pid/fd because the flash plugin deletes the file immediately to hide it from you
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22:06<vishnu>I have a problem in debain that when i install a gtk theme the font in the gnome tweak tool disappear
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22:07<vishnu>plz help
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22:08<vishnu>plz,.,,,,,,,,,
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22:12<vishnu>plz help
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23:01<lovebug>hey
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23:02<lovebug>how are you
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