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00:48<Whitefox_>any1 hea to help me ... i need some help
00:49<themill>it's very hard to answer questions that are not asked.
00:50<Whitefox_>nah actual i made a custom debian
00:50<Whitefox_>and i want to make iso file to install in ma whole office
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00:50<Whitefox_>like ... distro
00:51<Whitefox_>i saw some ppl made some debian distro like crunchbang n kali n blah blah
00:51<dpkg>A Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. #debian-custom on
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00:52<Whitefox_>simple cdd?
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00:52<Whitefox_>thnx buddy
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00:53<Whitefox_>some ppl said abt remastersys bt its failed
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01:09<centrx>How do I get gcc/configure/make to link to the files from libc6-dbg instead of libc6?
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01:14<rryoumaa>centrx: no idea, but in case nobody else answers, i would guess that alternatives might be able to do it. if not maybe load library path can be used at least as a stopgap.
01:14<Cazzano>I'd like to test debian via usb live system but I always get an error (wrong processor architecture or so). Is this because I used unetbootin to get debian on my flash drive? Shall I use dd if/of to copy the debian iso to my flash drive?
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01:16<rjsalts>anyone know if there is a backport for postfix planned in wheezy? it's up to the maintainer whether they want to do one?
01:17<Infiltrator>rjsalts: Feel free to backport it yourself. :)
01:17<Infiltrator>!tell rjsalts -about backport
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01:17<rjsalts>yeah, I can do that easily enough
01:17<Infiltrator>Cazzano: What are the architectures of the image and target machine?
01:18<Cazzano>Infiltrator: uhm..Idk? I try debian-7.4.0-amd64-CD-1.iso with a eeepc (intel atom inside)
01:18<Cazzano>so..I thought it would just work fine as x86?
01:19<Cazzano>currently I'm running xp and xubuntu on that eee and I tried archlinux which needs to be done by dd because unetbootin will always result in errors
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01:20<Infiltrator>Cazzano: The atom CPU may be i386. Can you find out?
01:20<Cazzano>How can I do that? I'm currently on xubuntu
01:20<jm_>Cazzano: are you sure your atom can do amd64?
01:20<jm_>check /proc/cpuinfo
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01:22<Cazzano>I'm using this cpu
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01:23<Infiltrator>Cazzano: From your link: "Instruction Set | 32-bit"
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01:23<Cazzano>uhm..amd64.iso >.<
01:23<Infiltrator>Cazzano: So then you need the i386 image. :)
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01:24<Cazzano> debian-7.4.0-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent ?
01:24<Cazzano>btw..this comes with a gui and desktop environment? I just like to test the performance of debian on my old netbook before I decide what to do.
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01:26<jm_>that's not a live CD, you are looking for debian-live-...
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01:30<pi>pi +i
01:31<Cazzano>jm_ yes I'm looking for debian live
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01:31<Cazzano>the website just said cd1 would be enough to install the I have it has all the basic stuff on in which I need to start a live system
01:32<jm_>no, that's an install CD, not a live CD
01:32<jm_> has links to live CD-s
01:32<Cazzano> ?
01:33<jm_>or that yes
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01:33<Cazzano>what would you recommend? lxde or xfce? the netbook is old so I really need a small desktop environment
01:34<jm_>whatever you want to use in the end
01:34<pi>Cazzano ---- now im using xbmc
01:35<Cazzano>they are both very light and dont need so much ressource?
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01:41<centrx>Cazzano, Yes, they are both light
01:41<jm_>no idea, I haven't used either
01:41<centrx>Cazzano, You could also install just a window manager
01:41<centrx>Cazzano, I use openbox with fbpanel
01:42<rjsalts>fvwm2 ftw
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01:42<del1>where can in find the in debian?
01:43<centrx>What is that
01:43<Cazzano>uhm..I'm not fit with the console so I like to have a startbar and taskbar etc...gui stuff
01:43<centrx>del1, You can find files installed by packages with dpkg -L packagename
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01:44<centrx>Cazzano, Yes, openbox + fbpanel provides that
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01:44<del1>centrx, thanks.
01:44<jm_> did not find
01:44<centrx>Cazzano, xfce or lxde are good too. I am just saying if your machine is too underpowered even for those
01:45<centrx>jm_, It is apparently a config file that is part of "monit"
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01:48<Cazzano>I'll keep that in mind.
01:48<Cazzano>Do you think debian live with work with unetbootin?
01:48<jm_>why do you want to use unetbootin? we do not recommend it here
01:49<Cazzano>because I have a good windows desktop pc and an old netbook with xubuntu.
01:49<jm_>where does unetbootin come into this?
01:49<Cazzano>I'm just a noob but doesnt unetbootin provide I can work live and install and change things and then it will be deleted?
01:50<Cazzano>I would use it on the windows to prepare the usb stick
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01:50<jm_>just use win32diskimager -- /msg dpkg win32diskimager
01:50<Cazzano>rather use dd?
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01:50<jm_>you can also use dd if you want yes
01:50<jm_>or cp, cat ...
01:51<Cazzano>oh..I didnt knew unetbootin was so unreliable
01:51<pi>monit is not bad
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01:58<pi>another program like top?
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01:59<pi>thank you
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02:07<Cazzano>oh..I logged myself out from the live system :/
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02:17<Cazzano>I'm currently running xp and xubuntu on that eee. Do you think I could replace xubuntu with debian? Just erase all of the xubuntu partitions, install debian via net-install on sda2 (sda1 is xp) and let debian repair the boot menu?
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02:18<pi>if you need both systems, i dont recomend
02:19<pi>or, do it with another media
02:19<Cazzano>hmm...a whole backup of the xp partition maybe?
02:19<Cazzano>what do you mean?
02:19<centrx>Cazzano, That will work
02:20<pi>install debian on another disk
02:20<Cazzano>uhm..disk as in physical drive?
02:20<pi>for example usb disk
02:21<Cazzano>I just have a 160gb hdd in this netbook. sda1 with xp has 35gb (mostly empty) and sda2 is (according to gparted) extended and consists of sda5 with ext4 and sda6 with 1gb (swap I think)
02:21<pi>there is no pronlem with space but with mbr
02:22<Cazzano>and I dont know where the bootloader is...
02:22<pi>there are backup programs for mbr
02:22<jm_>Cazzano: the initial part is on MBR, the rest is typically embedded in the empty space before the first partition
02:23<Cazzano>jm_ but I would see that small partition in gparted, right? because that's missing.
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02:24<Cazzano>sda1 (xp) has bootflag
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02:24<pi>or actually, you can try to have xp, xubuntu and debian
02:24<Cazzano>so grub is installed within the xp partition
02:25<Cazzano>meh..xubuntu doesnt work so good and lags etc..which is why I want to replace it
02:25<jm_>Cazzano: no, it's after the MBR and before the first partition starts, as that's usually unused (you can see the gap if you use 'fdisk -u -l /dev/sda'
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02:26<pi>or, you can try to do perfect mirror
02:27<Cazzano>fdisk: command not found
02:27<jm_>you need to run it as root
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02:29<Cazzano>uhm..there is no space
02:30<Cazzano>sda1 (xp) has a star for device boot? system: hpfs/ntfs
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02:31<pi>you using gparted?
02:31<jm_>that's bootable flag in partition table
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02:31<Cazzano>gparted and fdisk. the boot flag in gparted is on sda1 (35gb ntfs with xp)
02:32<pi>you said, you have 300 GB disk?
02:32<jm_>that flag is only relevant for BIOS (they usually throw an error if it's not there) and for windows/dos MBR loader (not sure if it's still true for windows)
02:33<Cazzano>pi no I have 160gb ..the first 35gb with xp and the rest is xubuntu
02:34<pi>ok, so, you must try to downsized xubuntu partition
02:34<pi>for place
02:34<Cazzano>but I dont want xubuntu anymore
02:35<Cazzano>or downsize, install debian, delete xubuntu and expand debian?
02:35<pi>hmmm, im not so much believe
02:35<Cazzano>xubuntu is lagging, windows are not responding or center doesnt work anymore etc..I just dont want it
02:35<pi>yes, downsize, then install debian
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02:36<pi>or, you can delete it all
02:36<pi>and install new debian
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02:37<Cazzano>but reinstalling xp is usually a pain in the ass
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02:37<pi>its up to you
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02:38<Cazzano>but wheres the mbr and how can I change it to the adjustments I want to do?
02:38<jm_>installer will take care of that
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02:38<pi>you can try to use dd
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02:39<Gnusmas>Hello i installed tor-chat on trisquel and when i shut it down its sill connected to the tor network.
02:39<pi>and rsync
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02:39<Cazzano>so even if I completely erase xubuntu and install debian..the debian installer will make a new mbr and it will look after xp and put it in the grub as well?
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02:41<jm_>yes as long as you tell it to do that
02:41<pi>i mean, win will be lost :-)
02:41<Cazzano>I know that windows needs to be put back in the grub...
02:41<Cazzano>and all that is possible with the net install?
02:42<jm_>yes, installer detects windows and will add it to boot menu
02:42<pi>im not sure
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03:11<leeoon_>Bonjour à tous
03:11<leeoon_>Hi everybody
03:12<leeoon_>I need some help
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03:14<leeoon_>I would like to stream videos through HTML5 video canvas
03:14<Cazzano>so..erased xubuntu..grub rescue starts I really have no idea where my mbr is :D
03:15<leeoon_>so I have my video in avi, mp4, mkv
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03:15<jm_>Cazzano: that's because grub can't find its menu file anymore
03:15<leeoon_>I want to encode with ffmpeg and send the flow to html player
03:16<Cazzano>but now I'm doing the net install and it asks me about how to format my hdd. Do I really need a lvm? I like to encrypt my personal stuff from /home or so
03:16<Cazzano>so grub still is installed in mbr or on my sda1 but the files it needs are gone?
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03:16<jm_>yes (it's not on sda1)
03:17<leeoon_>I don't know how to do for send the flow to the HTML5 player
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03:17<leeoon_>any idea?
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03:18<Cazzano>jm_ and how about the encrypted /home part. the installer asks if I want everything on one partition or a seperate /home partition. I guess I need a seperate one to encrypt it?
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03:18<pi>Cazzano: have you some backup?
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03:18<jm_>Cazzano: separate /home might make sense, it's up to you
03:19<pi>Cazzano: are there some important data?
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03:19<Cazzano>It's not *that* important but it's still a netbook. some mobile which could be robbed.
03:19<Cazzano>or does an encryption drain too much ressources?
03:20<pi>Cazzano: hmm, ok, so its not important
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03:20<pi>Cazzano: partimage
03:20<Cazzano>whats that?
03:20<pi>Cazzano: text mode gparted
03:21<pi>like that
03:21<Cazzano>And uhm..what's the connection?
03:21<Cazzano>I did a backup of the files from xp
03:21<pi>some smb disk
03:22<pi>and tcp network
03:22<Cazzano>I already clicked on automated hdd partitions
03:22<jm_>encryption typically slows things down a lot if you have a slow CPU (it obviously depends how much IO you are doing)
03:22<pi>Cazzano: ok, next :D
03:23<Cazzano>ah ok...well I just clicked on automated stuff and it created a whole partition for everything and a swap...that's really nice
03:23<pi>Cazzano: i mean, you can do any labory :D
03:24<Cazzano>hmm...I hope I get to choose things now
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03:28<pi>Cazzano: so, whats going on?
03:29<Cazzano>pi installing the basic systems it says
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03:31<pi>about this videostramer
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03:32<pi>what is client for this videostreamer?
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03:34<leeoon_>the client is the web browser of the client who want to see the video
03:34<leeoon_>web browser with hml5 player
03:35<pi>hmmm, there is youtube
03:35<leeoon_>yes :/ but I want to stream my own video
03:35<Cazzano>debian net install: Do I need a file server or a DNS server? I just need a file manager and connect via ipv4 to the need for servers, right?
03:36<pi>Cazzano: just connect
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03:37<pi>leeoon_: for example, can you do radiostream?
03:37<pi>your own?
03:37<pi>your own!
03:37<Cazzano> asks about what I want on my system and if I need this to go online or browse files then I like to have it. but the term "server" confuses me. All I need is internet and a file manager who can do some samba.
03:38<pi>Cazzano: yes, it mean internet
03:38<Cazzano>so I need dns server to go online?
03:39<pi>Cazzano: yes, better dhcp server
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03:39<Cazzano>and the file server to browse files/do samba?
03:39<pi>Cazzano: for install, you no need samba server
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03:40<jm_>Cazzano: you don't need these, you can always install it later if needed
03:41<jm_>Cazzano: I also recommend to read stuff here
03:41<leeoon_>@pi typicaly I want to do like subsonic
03:41<pi>leeoon_: hmmmm, i dont know, what is subsonic
03:43<Cazzano>no...I'm doing the net install and within that install it asks me what kind of software I want to have once the system is running. usually I share a windows partition with the eee so I was wondering if I need this to do samba stuff or if the standard file browser of debian supports samba and I dont need a file server
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03:45<pi>leeoon_: hmm, nice
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03:48<buffoon>hi! I've installed a printer with cups and then shared it with samba. Drivers for the share are the standard PostScript drivers from adobe. Now when printing on windows it just prints an error page telling error: undefined, offending command: @pjl
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03:49<pi>hi buf
03:49<buffoon>Test page from cups work fine though. just printing throuhg samba is a problem.
03:49<pi>buffoon: work it on cups alone?
03:49<buffoon>pi: yes
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03:50<buffoon>as far as I've seen cups comments out some stuff in the ppd file published through samba. However it seems not to comment out enough...
03:51<pi>buffoon: i mean, you need to do something in samba options
03:52<buffoon>It's just one printer (HP LJ 400 MFP M425) that has the problem. other printers work just fine
03:52<pi>buffoon: something like web print samba server
03:52<jm_>modern versions of windows don't need to print via samba
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03:53<pi>buffoon: there must be many privileges to acces allow
03:54<pi>buffoon: usually, there is only access allow to root
03:54<buffoon>jm_: Main reason for this is a silly program that just accepts postscript drivers. So debian+samba was a good way to achieve that.
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03:55<jm_>buffoon: if it's using windows printing system it shouldn't care whether it goes via samba or http or whatever
03:56<pi>buffoon: or, you can try to do TCP/IP web print server
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03:58<buffoon>you mean sharing printers directly with cups and then add them? Is there still postscript being used then?
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03:58<pi>buffoon: ye, i mean it
03:59<pi>buffoon: that is obey
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04:02<pi>im going to postoffice
04:03<Cazzano>uhmm... Do you guys know anything about linux mint vs canonical?
04:03<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
04:03<buffoon>so how do I connect a printer on windows using cups?
04:04<Cazzano>jm_ no I mean the news that canonical forces mint to pay money because they use canonicals repos or so
04:05<jm_>Cazzano: you'd have to ask in the channel mentioned above I guess
04:05<Cazzano>I see
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04:06<Cazzano>I think my installation froze
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04:08<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at . #pulseaudio on
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04:10<phoenixxz>who is here
04:11<phoenixxz>where are you?
04:11<buffoon>jm_: Cool way to do that. I didn't think about that...
04:11<buffoon>just testing right now
04:12<phoenixxz>can you see me?
04:12<jm_>buffoon: it worked OK for me when I used it
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04:13<buffoon>jm_: yes. even that strange program works now... thanks a lot
04:14<jm_>buffoon: no worries
04:16<babilen>phoenixxz: Do you require help with Debian - ?
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04:19<phoenixxz>I am new
04:19<phoenixxz>I know nothing
04:19<babilen>phoenixxz: Okay, what exactly do you need help with? Have you installed Debian?
04:20<phoenixxz>yes.I using irssi and trying it
04:21<babilen>phoenixxz: This is a support channel for people working on solving specific problems. If you'd simply like to chat you should "/join #debian-offtopic" or #moocows. As you are a new user I'd like to recommend reading
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04:24<phoenixxz>how to list all the channels?
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04:25<phoenixxz>join #moocows
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04:25<babilen>phoenixxz: It is "/join #moocows" or "/join #debian-offtopic" and please lets continue the "how to use IRC" discussion there
04:26<babilen>dpkg: tell phoenixxz -about irc tutorial
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04:26<Cazzano>insalling debian on a eeepc: there is a wiki and some special tips and hints etc.. but do they still matter?
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04:30<rjsalts>I'm getting a weird beeping noise in capture due to pulse audio. I've tried messing with the sampling rate, etc. and that doesn't seem to help. Any other avenues to get pulseaudio behaving nicely?
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04:34<babilen>rjsalts: I'd take it to #pulseaudio - but did you read README.Debian for pulseaudio? It mentions some settings in daemon.conf regarding the sampling rate that you might want to adjust.
04:35<babilen>(oh, the channel is on
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04:39<rjsalts>babilen: will do
04:40<rjsalts>I already messed with the sampling settings, just seems to change the pitch of the annoying beeping, not remove it
04:41<Cazzano>the whole eeepc support thing is dead and ends up back in main support. There are articles for wifi and acpi etc..but are those special things still necessary or does debian support eee now completely?
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04:44<bernat>rjsalts: have you checked the source is in Pulseaudio? have you silenced all other audio inputs you don't want to record?
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04:44<gsimmons>Cazzano: Depending on your model, most/all things should work as-is with Wheezy on a 32-bit Eee PC. You would at least want to install the eeepc-acpi-scripts package post-installation.
04:45<rjsalts>bernat: well, I was using cheese to do video capture and if I do pulseaudio -k and start recording the beeping is absent, but when I restart pulse it comes back
04:45<bernat>rjsalts: now to my second question
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04:48<Cazzano2>gsimmons On (I have 1000H) it says Power management: Install cpufrequtils to allow throttling (works like a charm with acpi_cpufreq). Does it work automatically? Are these those acpi scripts?
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04:49<Cazzano2>some of the sites of are down so I dont know if that means the issues have been solved or if it's due the end of the project
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04:50<bernat>rjsalts: I suggest you turn off all audio sources you're not using+
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04:55<gsimmons>Cazzano2: The cpufreq Linux kernel modules now autoload, so yes, this is automatically handled. The utilities in the cpufrequtils package can be used to adjust cpufreq behaviour.
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04:58<Cazzano2>gsimmons so there is actually nothing special for eee anymore? It just works out of box?
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05:02<gsimmons>Cazzano2: With respect to your model, yes. You will require firmware for use of the model's internal wireless LAN device however ; /msg dpkg ralink firmware
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05:03<mistral03>Y'as des français ??
05:03<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
05:03<leeoon_>tu t'es gourré de canal
05:03<Guest282>Hi all, does anyone know where I can get a list that corresponds to the architectures from this URL?
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05:03<Guest282>it shows them like this: ,, -, 0, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, a, b, c, d, e, f, h, i, k, l, m, o, p, r, s, w, x
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05:04<Guest282>what do each of the letters correspond to?
05:04<Cazzano2>gsimmons yes. you're right. But uhm..I dont really know how to do that...the whole desktop ist now different from the live version with lxde. I have to find the package manager first ^^"
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05:13<Cazzano2>uhmm.. where can I change from gnome to lxde? Is this option only visible if I install lxde first?
05:15<bernat>Cazzano2: yes
05:16<viscera>why does my gnome desktop randomly do the pidgin sign-in noise? i'm not running an IM stuff
05:16<viscera>it usually only happens once per session
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05:21<monod>hey guys
05:21<monod>tremendous problem:
05:22<monod>Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
05:22<monod>rootfs 9562940 9219236 0 100% /
05:22<monod>don't know if you can read, but I'll tell you anyway: / folder has 0% space left!
05:22<monod>and I can't do anything o_O
05:22<bhuddah>maybe you should try to delete something
05:23<monod>I tried dpkg --purge -a and then I tried uninstalling from aptitude the latest programs I installed
05:23<bhuddah>try to use "du -chs *" or something alike to find out where your storage is used most uselessly
05:24<pi>yes, that is why is better to do more slices
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05:25<pi>try to move something
05:25<bernat>monod: try apt-get clean
05:26<pi>apt-get autoremove
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05:26<bernat>monod: root should have space available in case you need to do something that requires it
05:26<monod>bernat, the percentage you mean? bhuddah: what's 'du -chs' ?
05:27<bhuddah>monod: it's a command. use "man du" to find out more about du :)
05:27<monod>I never got anything working by just reading man
05:27<pi>and imidietly denied to write to root
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05:27<monod>(almost anything)
05:27<monod>trying apt-get clean and autoremove right now
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05:28<bernat>monod: that's sad to read and probably better left unsaid :-)
05:28<monod>explain explicitly what you'd like to say, so I can learn exactly
05:29<monod>because I'd like to get this linux up and running
05:29<monod>(but I'm only getting confused right now)
05:29<bernat>I was refering to the man reading thing
05:29<monod>(I started with Ubuntu tho, which was very easy, but then I discovered some untrasparent things in it and decided that it was time to switch)
05:30<pi>you must to do some free space on / , then do some mount point on / and then, all data forwrd to new mount point
05:31<babilen>monod: I'd start with a "apt-get autoclean" or "apt-get clean" and then delete selected programs/data
05:31<Cazzano2>I installed lxde now..where can I change from gnome to lxde?
05:31<bernat>monod: why is it such a big deal the disk full? can't you remove anything or move it away?
05:31<bernat>Cazzano2: in the login screen
05:31<babilen>monod: Those two commands will clear the cache of downloaded packages that you can easily download again in the future
05:32<Cazzano2>bernat is this the only possibility? will it stay that way then?
05:32<pi>why? becouse system hasnt go up at all
05:32<bernat>Cazzano2: what's the problem? your last selection will be remembered?
05:32<bernat>(without the last question mark)
05:32<monod>ok, guys I'll explain the strange thing: the strange thing is that I already moved one binary from /usr/bin/ and all binaries from /usr/games/ (not that I have so much games on linux eh)
05:33<monod>babilen, bernat, pi, ^
05:33<Cazzano2>bernat ah cool. Can I deinstall gnome now?
05:33<bernat>Cazzano2: yes
05:33<monod>if then I go reading the space left on disk, it's still 0 bytes!
05:33<pi>Cazzano2: yes
05:33<bernat>Cazzano2: I mean, in case you have your other desktop running
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05:34<Cazzano2>well..I guess I have to deinstall a lot of things anyway
05:34<bernat>monod: where did you move them? not to the same partition, right?
05:35<monod>bernat, nope, I moved them on /home/username/Desktop/root backup/{same hierarchy}
05:35<pi>i like backup with dd and rsycn :D
05:35<monod>and home is on another partition
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05:36<monod>that sounds very nice, pi, but also a little bit advanced in scripting for bash
05:36<monod>a little bit advanced == just more than I am, like
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05:36<monod>(a total newbie)
05:36<antifa>hi there
05:36<monod>hi antifa
05:36<antifa>is there a help chanel for nightingale ?
05:36<pi>i can send you nice tutorial, but it is not from denian :D
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05:36<del1>why i get error for var? #!/bin/bash var = date +%M
05:36<bernat>monod: moving system files around doesn't sound good to me
05:37<monod>bernat, to me neither, but I've chosen a music player
05:37<monod>so I thought I wasn't doing any harm, bernat
05:37<monod>but I hadn't any other idea :S bernat
05:37<pi>monod: try to mount some net disk, you must do some delete or mv, moving data
05:38<monod>net disk?!
05:38<pi>better moving
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05:38<antifa>ok so can I get any help for nightinglae here ?
05:38<pi>monod: external disk
05:38<pi>monod: or, disk on the network
05:38<monod>pi, like if I have one (I don't have one)
05:39<monod>wait a sec, I've got an idea
05:39<pi>monod: or burn on dvd
05:39<monod>pi, from the / folder???
05:39<pi>monod: do you know somtng obout /mnt folder?
05:40<monod>I still have some space on /home which is on another partition*
05:40<pi>monod: so, its no problem
05:40<monod>ehm, not sure what is to know about that folder
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05:41<pi>monod: you can create new folder in /mnt for example mkdir /mnt/backup
05:41<pi>and you can use man mount
05:42<pi>or smbmount
05:42<pi>or samba mount
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05:42<monod>folder /mnt == it's in / ...*
05:42<monod>without '*'
05:42<monod>bleah, I mean:
05:42<pi>you can use ls cmd or vdir cmd
05:42<pi>or cd .. or cd /
05:43<pi>or cd /mnt
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05:43<pi>or, you can go to lesson, how to use simple cmds in linux and unix
05:44<monod>is it the starting point to sysadmin's level? :D
05:44<monod>(in the long, long run)
05:44<pi>install man and then man
05:44<monod>no, it's just impossible to learn that way
05:44<monod>I've tried! :(
05:44<pi>ls --help
05:45<monod>pi, I already know the most common used commands
05:45<babilen>dpkg: tell monod -about general cli tutorial
05:45<babilen>dpkg: tell monod about introduction
05:45<monod>I don't know how to describe my current level
05:46<babilen>monod: Also read -- So, did you run "apt-get clean" or "apt-get autoclean" by now? If so: could you paste the output of "df -h" to ?
05:46<monod>my computer is slipping from my hands, now that I have linux on it
05:46<monod>or maybe, now that I have Debian
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05:46<monod>ok babilen, already apt-get clean did, I'll paste the output, if any...
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05:47<pi>yes df -h
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05:49<babilen>monod: Fwiw, It is typically a *very* bad idea to manually tinker with files in /usr and I would strongly recommend a different course of action to resolve this problem.
05:49<babilen>monod: I was asking for the output of "df -h" not that of "apt-get autoclean" or "apt-get clean"
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05:49<monod>check now babilen ...
05:49<bernat>monod: I strongly second babilen, stay away from problems
05:50<monod>ok guys.. I just moved a 12 MB binary of Clementine music player tho...
05:50<monod>I didn't know what to do...
05:50<monod>and also I moved those games binaries since they are pretty much unused...
05:51<monod>I'm just confused and frustrated, but not stupid.... :(
05:51<bernat>monod: then uninstall them
05:51<babilen>monod: So, as you can see: that cleared up some space. It is now time to investigate what is using a lot of space and GUI tools such as baobab or CLI ones such as ncdu might help with that.
05:51<babilen>monod: I would, however, consider 10GB to be a *bit* small for / on a Desktop box.
05:52<monod>babilen, nobody told me this before! Everyone was like "sure! 10 gigs! a LOT of space!"
05:52<monod>sounds like trolling now
05:52<monod>oh wait
05:52<babilen>monod: If you consider my advice to be trolling I happily refrain from providing any
05:53<monod>83% now
05:53<babilen>Have a nice day
05:53<monod>my English is very bad
05:53<bernat>babilen: did he mean it for the advice he got before?
05:53<pi>how big is disk?
05:53<monod>I meant that other guys, longs ago, suggested me to give 10 GB to / partition because it was "enough"
05:54<monod>I wasn't very happy with that, but I followed his advice (I was/am really much of a newbie!!!)
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05:54<monod>so it's like what bernat said, babilen
05:55<babilen>monod: Okay, I understand. Sorry for the misunderstanding. In a way I wouldn't consider it "a lot", but that really depends on how you use the system. As you can see: The way you use the system requires more space. You can mitigate this by cleaning package caches once a while, but ultimately you will have to provide more space.
05:55<monod>pi, my disk should be very big, but I got so confused that now it has sparse partitions on it and there's a lot of space being wasted (640GB)
05:56<pi>monod: ok
05:56<monod>babilen, and now I've just realized that I have 17% free space! Didn't realize it before
05:56<monod>pi, I also keep a win installation on some 70GB partition, like
05:56<monod>and there is a 450 GB data partition
05:56<bernat>monod: uninstall anything you don't need. I'd recommend starters to use one partition for everything, I know it's contrary to popular advice but I think it's better
05:56<babilen>monod: Unfortunately you did not seem to have used LVM which makes it a bit hard to enlarge the root filesystem and you don't have much free space left at the moment anyway
05:56<pi>monod: you can do many things unistall
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05:56<pi>by apt-get remove packages
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05:57<monod>indeed... Doing some uninstall now
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05:57<monod>the problem is also one more thing: I have to study for university
05:57<pi>beware on the names of packages
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05:57<monod>pi, yup
05:57<babilen>monod: fwiw, /media/Data is quite an unusual path to mount for data. If this data belongs to a single use it should better live in a, sufficiently large, /home or I would make it available as /srv/data on a multiuser system.
05:57<monod>what I mean with "the problem is also one more thing: I have to study for university" is that I'm getting OVERWHELMED by things...
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05:58<monod>oh, babilen explain please
05:58<monod>(that partition is the NTFS one in common with windows, for common files)
05:58<monod>(for sharing files between OSes)
05:59<monod>my english is worst when I am in this confusionary state, tho
05:59<babilen>monod: Well, relax. By running "apt-get clean" you regained some precious space and can now keep on using the system. I'd recommend to uninstall some packages you don't need and to consider investing into more storage so that you can make some of the space that is not being used by /media/Data available to the system. Depending on your usage I *might* consider a reinstall with LVM this time after you added additional storage.
06:00<monod>alright, I have to begin the uninstalling then
06:00<monod>I'll be careful
06:00<babilen>monod: Ah, fair enough. I am simply saying that /media/Data is unusual in that /media is typically used for *removable* media such as USB disks, CDs or DVDs
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06:00<monod>oh lol
06:01<babilen>monod: It is not a problem per-se but simply a "oh, that's .. unusual" ;)
06:01<monod>now that I recall, it gets automatically mounted there
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06:02<monod>and I also have to type root password everytime, but that's another "problem"
06:02<bernat>monod: remember to try baobab or any other disk usage reporting tool to use where that space is being used, sometimes we forget about things we left in /root for example that are taking precious disk space
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06:02<babilen>monod: Ah, fair enough. In case it is perfectly fine.
06:02<pi>monod: i am many times too much strong
06:02<pi>monod: it will be good, relax
06:02<babilen>dpkg: tell monod -about sudo
06:02<babilen>dpkg: tell monod -about sudoers
06:03<pi>df -h
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06:03<pi>apt-get autoclean
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06:03<pi>apt-get autoremove
06:03<babilen>monod: You will also want to install the gksu and make sure it is in "sudo" mode after you've added your user to the sudo group.
06:04<monod>like: after the program is being called with su privileges, it keeps su privileges?
06:04<monod>babilen, ^
06:04<pi>sudo su
06:04<monod>oh, I have baobab
06:05<pi>apt-get remove packages
06:05<monod>I don't know how it is intended to be used.
06:05<monod>I know that I should be studying....
06:05<monod>I also know that I should always be studying....
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06:05<monod>and maybe I should only reinstall everything while keeping the /home mount point
06:06<monod>losing everything except for data
06:06<monod>(in /home)
06:06<monod>how can I learn debian/linux this way....
06:06<pi>monod: better be login like a user
06:06<pi>and then be like a root bz, sudo su
06:06<pi>by, sudo su
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06:09<pi>monod: you can try to learn sh scripting or programing
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06:09<babilen>monod: Sorry, I have a hard time to actually figure out what you are asking. sudo is a program to gain superuser priviliges temporarily/for specific commands. The fact that you've successfully authenticated yourself is typically cached so that you don't have to provide your *user's* password over and over again.
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06:09<babilen>pi: I prefer "sudo -i" over "sudo su"
06:09<pi>babilen: aha
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06:09<monod>I was not asking for sudo, tho
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06:10<babilen>monod: Please, try to relax, stay focused and be precise in your questions. Unnecessary "babbling" or commends such as "I know that I should be studying...." neither help us in helping you nor are they in any way constructive to solving any problem you have.
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06:11<babilen>monod: Fwiw, you are now in a position in which you can user your computer without problems and everyhting else can wait. If you have to study then, by all means, study.
06:11<monod>I was thinking this same thing
06:11<babilen>*comments :)
06:12<pi>babilen: sudo -i is quicker
06:12<monod>see you then
06:12<babilen>monod: All the best and come back as soon as you can focus on it. There simply is no point in pursuing this further right now IMHO ... All the best and enjoy your studying.
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06:13<babilen>pi: It also performs a "proper" login, but read the sudo manpage. :D
06:13<pi>babilen: :D, ok
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06:19<pi>by the way, do you know, how to do list of installed packages?
06:19<jm_>dpkg -l
06:19<dpkg>Files in package jm_-pr0n: /srv/jm_-pr0n/jm_.jpg
06:19<pi>thank you
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06:23<senolc_eht>dpkg -l
06:23<dpkg>Files in package senolc_eht-pr0n: /srv/senolc_eht-pr0n/senolc_eht.jpg
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06:24<jm_>i suppose dpkg is case insensitive :)
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07:38<dzan>hi, is there a separate channel for reprepro? couldn't find it
07:38<dzan>i have this issue: but when I list packages it's not in there ( so removed? ) and I did remove correctly
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07:46<Brigo>dzan: i suggest you to change the package name.
07:47<Brigo>dzan: can you only change the version?
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07:47<dzan>Brigo, I just want to remove the package an add a new one ( version is same but compiled differently )
07:47<dzan>so I want to replace a package, same version
07:48<Brigo>dzan: in debian there are 2 versions number, the package version and the debian version, you should change the debian version (or add it)
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07:49<dzan>Brigo, and there is no way to just replace it? like 'clean' reprepro's cache?
07:49<dzan>Brigo, the stack overflow questions seemed to suggets there is by just removing it and readding
07:50<bernat>dzan: you shouldn't want to do that, you should change the version number
07:50<Brigo>dzan: i dont know, but it's a good practice to change the version number
07:50<dzan>ok.. just would like to have a clean reprepro start :p
07:50<dzan>i'll look into changing that number
07:50<dzan>(using cmake/cpack to generate the package )
07:50<bernat>dzan: if the package has changed, although the upstream version is the same, you want your users to notice it's a new build
07:50<Brigo>for example: iceweasel_24.3.0esr-1_amd64.deb has 2 versions number, icewease ones (24.3.0esr) and debian ones (1)
07:51<dzan>I don't have users :p
07:51<bernat>dzan: you!
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07:51<bernat>and your machines
07:51<themill>always nice to avoid confusing apt
07:51<dzan>it's not installed yet nowhere
07:51<Brigo>new version of the same iceweasel look like: iceweasel_24.3.0esr-2_amd64.deb
07:51<dzan>but thanks guys :) i'll just try to add a debian version number
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07:52<bernat>dzan: good, that way apt will be happier :-)
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07:53<dzan>well i'm not :p don't know if cmake can add a debian version number but i'll figure it out
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07:53<dzan>apt's a needy little brat :p
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07:56<bernat>dzan: you'll sometimes appreciate it is, it keeps your system consistent ;-)
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07:57<dzan>bernat, seems to indicate I don't have a deb version set right?
07:57<dzan>bernat, guess it's not enough to just add it like -2 at the end of the version string? :p
07:58<jm_>that's not true, even many debian packages don't use the "-foo" version part
07:59<jm_>so it's not like it's needed
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08:00<bernat>dzan: I don't see the Debian version number in 1.0+svn-r6735
08:00<dzan>jm_, ok but then how do I get reprepro to take in the new package? :p thought remove would do the trik
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08:00<jm_>dzan: I'm affraid I have never used reprepro so I can't answer that, sorry
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08:01<bernat>jm_: do you think it's ok he uploads a new package build with the same version an older one had?
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08:02<dzan>is there a way to just update the version number ( debian one ) of a package after it's been built? :D
08:02<bernat>dzan: that's done when packaging
08:03<dzan>bernat, yeah figured :-) but I don't see an option for the debian version number in cpack
08:03<dzan>and I don't have a new commit :p I could just do a fake commit but that sucks :p
08:05<jm_>bernat: no, probably not
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08:09<bernat>dzan: latest packaging work I've done (and there's not a lot more) is this
08:09<bernat>dzan: there, the dch command is used to change the version number
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08:10<bernat>dzan: I mean following those instructions, I haven't written that wiki page :-)
08:10<dzan>oh :)
08:10<dzan>ok i'll check that out
08:10<dzan>i'm just trying to add a -x now and see if deb picks it up as version number
08:11<dzan>Package: diablo
08:11<dzan> Version: 1.0+git-svn-r6735-1
08:11<dzan>lets see if that works :)
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08:30<dzan>anyone know for sure if debhelper can package a bunch of binaries ( without source ) ?
08:31<dzan>use case I have is a cross toolchain ( patched ) built with crosstool-ng, I want the resulting compiler, ... in a debian package with a postint to set up alternatives
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08:43<y0da>Hi guys.
08:44<y0da>I'm looking for the security update about mediawiki on wheezy, I saw that it was updated on jessie, but on stable version not.
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08:44<y0da>The problem is about this CVE-2014-1610
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08:45<babilen>dpkg: tell y0da -about tracker of doom
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08:45<babilen>dpkg: CVE-2014-1610
08:45<dpkg>babilen: no idea
08:45<babilen>dpkg: cve lookup CVE-2014-1610
08:45<dpkg>Information about the security advisory CVE-2014-1610 may be found at
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08:46<babilen>y0da: Which simply confirms what you said before.
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08:47<krishna>r ubuntu need antivirus
08:47<y0da>babilen yep.
08:47<babilen>y0da: before we find further information: It would be an option to backport the version from sid/jessie to wheezy (cf. /msg dpkg ssb), but an upload by the security team would probably be appreciated
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08:48<babilen>dpkg: ubuntuirc krishna
08:48<dpkg>krishna: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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08:51<y0da>babilen I'm not from debian security team and I think that I cannot upload patches or packages.
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08:51<babilen>y0da: No, but you can backport the version for yourself and by yourself
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08:52<babilen>y0da: I simply meant that it would be preferable if the security team had a proper backported fix for this bug already, but it might be harder to implement it in the version in wheezy or doing so might simply take longer. I just wanted to show you some way to deal with it now if upgrading to a new version is an option
08:52<y0da>babilen yep, but I'm not thinking about me, but about all debian users.
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08:54<y0da>to do the backport from jeesie package is a piece of cake, but extract the patch from new version is complicated.
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08:56<y0da>babilen thank you for you help :D
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10:25<mandark>Hi guys ! Question here :-) I have a GPT on a disk, Debian sees 4096 disk sectors, and gparted search the GPT table at offset 4096 (fseek). But it misse the GPT header as on my disk it's on the 512th sector, what to do ?
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10:49<SamB>mandark: 512th sector, or at offset 512?
10:50<mandark>SamB: 512th byte of the disk (according to what I see with hexdump -C /dev/sdb | head)
10:50<SamB>pedantic note: the 512th byte could refer to the byte at offset 511
10:51<mandark>SamB: ?
10:51<SamB>though this would clearly be an absurd place for such a structure to begin
10:52<mandark>SamB: No idea, I created this GPT using parted, just "mklabel gpt" without any option, nor getting any warnings :p
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10:52<mandark>SamB: but now, on my other machine, I straced gdisk and I see him searching GPT table at 4096th byte, so it clearly miss it
10:52<SamB>if you don't understand the last two things I said, it's probably not a big deal; I was just nitpicking about your wording
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10:53<mandark>SamB: Ok I just got the "pedantic note"
10:53<mandark>SamB: and I just got the 2nd :-)
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10:55<mandark>SamB: So, I think my GPT is at offset 512, a "not so absurd" place, but a bit misplaced for a disk with sectors of 4k
10:55<mandark>SamB: So, gdisk miss it, and my kernel too, not able to find the GPT it's not able to find the partitions, so I can't mount anything
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10:56<SamB>hmm, so your disk actually comes out and admits that it doesn't have 512-byte sectors?
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10:57<mandark>SamB: I fist created the disklabel and partition using an USB dock (unknown quality).
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10:58<mandark>SamB: Now, the disk is plugged in a server, using a SATA cable
10:58<SamB>that could certainly explain your problem
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10:59<mandark>SamB: certainly, I agree
11:00<SamB>it seems like parted ought to look a bit harder for a GPT, though, and try to offer at least some advice about how you might recover ...
11:00<mandark>parted also didn't see any GPT on my disk
11:01<mandark>SamB: "Error: /dev/sdb: unrecognised disk label" (I think it's seeking at 4096 but I didn't straced it)
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11:02<SamB>mandark: yeah, gparted uses libparted, which is bundled with parted, so I'm sure they fail the same way
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11:02<SamB>I guess gparted is the one I'd hope would offer to fix it automatically
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11:03<mandark>Hugh? does gparted may help more than parted ? (I'm over SSH)
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11:05<Brigo>mandark: may be gdisk package can help you
11:06<SamB>mandark: not unless it WORKS
11:06<SamB>which you said it isn't, I thought?
11:06<mandark>Brigo: It's gdisk that I straced and that is searching to 4096 instead of 512
11:06<Brigo>mandark: ah, ok. Sorry then :-)
11:06<SamB>mandark: I guess you typoed gdisk as gparted earlier ...
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11:07<mandark>SamB: possible
11:07<SamB>anyway, if parted doesn't work on this disk either, I don't expect gparted to be any help at all
11:07<mandark>SamB: yes i just checked and gparted uses parted
11:07*SamB goes out to shovel snow
11:08<mandark>SamB: thx for the help :)
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11:10<Brigo>mandark: did you try reading the alternate partition table on the end of the disk?
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11:10<mandark>Brigo: Hum nice idea, if you know how to do it ?
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11:11<Brigo>no, sorry i has never had any efi.
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11:11<Brigo>but manpage can help usualy :-)
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11:12<Brigo>mandark: what kernel version are you running?
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11:13<mandark>Kernel 3.2.0-4 on Debian 7.3
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11:14<Brigo>you can try a newer one, only for try. There si some bugs about gpt ...
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11:17<mandark>hum nop
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11:21<kini>so I'm trying to install Debian, and I used this program called YUMI to create a USB stick that can boot into several different ISOs I downloaded, including the debian installation ISO, systemrescuecd, and fedora 20 (unrelated reasons)
11:21<kini>but while all three of those can boot into livecd mode, the debian installer gets confused when it gets to the step where it tries to detect the "cd-rom", because it can't find the Release file in the root of the filesystem on the USB stick
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11:22<kini>that's because (I guess) the way the YUMI multiboot is set up is that it has subdirectories in the filesystem for each of the ISOs' contents, and then boots with the root set to the subdirectory of the ISO you choose at the boot menu
11:23<kini>whereas the debian installer doesn't just try to get the files from the environment it's booted from, it (I guess?) unmounts and then tries to remount the USB stick, and then assumes that it exactly matches the directory structure of the debian installer ISO
11:24<kini>so my question is, is this something the debian-installer team would like to hear about as a feature request (choosing a root for the installation data other than / on the device)?
11:24<kini>or is what I'm doing considered unsupported and they wouldn't care?
11:24<Brigo>i think, better ask them. :-)
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11:25<kini>you think I should just file the feature request?
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11:27<ruslanas>hi do you know any link for building debian package from debian source?
11:28<Brigo>kini: why not?
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11:28<mtn>ruslanas: google this: building debian package from debian source
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11:42<kini>Brigo: well, didn't want to bother them if it wasn't supported
11:43<kini>but never mind, I think I'll just dd the ISO to the USB stick like the installation guide recommends :)
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12:23<mandark>SamB, Brigo: I found a tashy method to mount my data temporarly, using a loop, at the offset of my partition directly.
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12:24<SamB>mandark: how'd you discover the correct offset? applying your secret decoder ring to the raw GPT?
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12:25<mandark>SamB: I first created a loop without offset, inside the loop I was able to use gdisk and parted to correctly see the GPT, as in the loop there were no longer the "4k size sector" indication, they correctly looked at the 512th offset
12:26<SamB>clever ;-)
12:26<mandark>SamB: But it was not automatically creating the /dev/loop0p1 so I deleted my loop and recreated it at the ext4 partition offset given by the previous gdisk
12:26<mandark>SamB: Thanks :-)
12:26<SamB>yes, loopback wouldn't tend to do that
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12:27<mandark>SamB: I see, but I already tried loopbacks and they were correctly creating /dev/loop0p1 (was trying to write some fuse code for a funny/useless filesystem)
12:27<Brigo>i think gdisk let you pass the size sector like a parameter
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12:27<mandark>SamB: I don't exactly know what trigger the creation of partitions files for loops
12:28<SamB>huh, didn't know Linux would look for partitions on loopbacks
12:28<mandark>SamB: but creating a loop at the correct offset made it :-X
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12:28<mandark>Brigo: didn't find that
12:28<mandark>Brigo: fdisk let me pass it but not gdisk (not my version)
12:29<SamB>hmm, I've forgotten how one creates a loop device
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12:29<SamB>and/or sets it up to actually do something
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12:30<mandark>losetup /dev/loop0 /dev/sdb -o $((2048 * 512))
12:30<mandark>then mount /dev/loop0 /mnt
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12:31<SamB>oh, for some reason I saw "losetup" that in my "man -k loop" and I immediately thought "that must be for the network devices" without reading the description ;-)
12:31<mandark>SamB: ^^
12:31<mandark>SamB: legit
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12:32<Agent56>anyone knows about kali linux ?
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12:33<babilen>dpkg: kalo
12:33<dpkg>no idea, babilen
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12:33<babilen>dpkg: kali
12:33<babilen>dpkg: kali
12:33<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
12:33<babilen>Agent56: ^^
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12:34<Agent56>I have a problem with installing virtualbox on it can you help me ?
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12:34<babilen>Agent56: No, we only support Debian for technical and social reasons. Try #kali-linux or install Debian by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg install debian"
12:35<Agent56>as you said it is debian based :D
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12:35<Agent56>by the way thanks man
12:36<Brigo>Agent56: he said too, "but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian"
12:36<valdyn>!based on
12:36<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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12:37<marc_>guys, i need help... my pdf viewer doesn't display the documents... anyone had this problem?
12:38<valdyn>!tell marc_ -about ask
12:38<valdyn>marc_: please read what dpkg told you then ask again
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12:39<marc_>I have a problem with pdf viewer, I'm using debian xfce testing, the viewer doesn't display pages
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12:40<valdyn>marc_: does it view different pdf documents properly?
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12:40<pi>there is xpdf for example
12:41<Brigo>marc_: do you know what program are you using? you can try with another one...
12:41<valdyn>marc_: use a different pdf viewer - there is quite a few of them. Since you use testing i cant say if your specific viewer might not be broken currently
12:41<mandark>marc_: You may like okular (I like it)
12:41<marc_>alright... heard about that
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12:42<marc_>gonna try it and report back
12:42<valdyn>marc_: xpdf is probably the smallest, but the gnome / kde pdf viewers are ok too, (okular i guess, evince for gnome)
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12:44<marc_>ok, i just tried evince.... the pages are displayed in preview but that's about it
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12:45<babilen>marc_: Open it from the command line and check for error messages. Also try different PDFs please.
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12:51<rect>Hey. I need wine for my system, so I installed the wine package of the official repo. Then, if I want to run winetricks to install an application, it tells me that "wineserver is not found". I researched about it, but did not find results that helped.
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12:56<Maulkin>rect: Hi there. Which server did you install it from?
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12:57<rect>it's the stable repo and a amd64 arch
12:57<Maulkin>rect: Sorry, I mean for winetricks
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12:59<rect>Maulkin: What do you mean by server?
12:59<rect>Maulkin: Do I have to do something else than installing it?
13:00<Maulkin>rect: did you install winetricks by using apt-get, or by wget?
13:00<rect>Maulkin: apt-get
13:00<Maulkin>Ok, two secs.
13:00<Maulkin>rect: Looks like you need to also install libwine
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13:03<rect>Maulkin: Hmm, it outputs a lot of unmet dependencies of i386 packages, and tells me it is not able to install them automatically
13:03<rect>because of broken packages
13:05<Maulkin>Huh, could you pastebin the errors, along with "apt-cache policy libwine" ?
13:05<Maulkin>ie: into
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13:08<Brigo>wine is in a trasitional moment. Now you can find wine, wine32 and wine64.
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13:09<Brigo>and i think you need to install wine-32 or wine-64 and be luky :-)
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13:10<Brigo>ah, you installed stable. So sorry. forget what i said. :-)
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13:12<Brigo>but 1.6.2-6 0 is the testing's one ...
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13:13<rect>well is there any complications with the stable branch? I heard about that installing testing debs for stable debs sometimes causes unintended difficulties.
13:13<Maulkin>rect: Um... I thought you said you were running stable?
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13:14<rect>Maulkin: as far as I know I installed stable
13:14<Maulkin>rect: So, how have you got libwine from testing?
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13:14<rect>Maulkin: I have no libwine pkg installed, I wanted to to that, like you can see from the pastie
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13:15<babilen>rect: Mind pasting your sources.list, the output of "apt-get update" and that of "apt-cache policy" before and afterwards?
13:15<Maulkin>rect: can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list please?
13:15<Maulkin>yeah, what babilen said
13:16<rect>yes, one moment
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13:22<rect>babilen: Maulkin:
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13:23<ksru>anyone with some gnome-know-how got a minute?
13:24<ksru>im running a closed circuit tv network off computers, and just switched from old ubuntu to current debian, and am having problems with screen dimming / power save
13:24<SynrG>and by "current" you mean wheezy?
13:24<SynrG>describe the nature of your problem.
13:24<ksru>i need to NEVER dim, darken, turn off, run a screen saver, or anything
13:25<ksru>fully current install from a small cd image, as of last night
13:25<babilen>rect: Mind showing me the output of "COLUMS=200 dpkg -l libwine" and could you also paste your /var/log/apt/history.log to ? (or attach it to the old paste by "paste as new") -- It is curious that you seem to have had a local installation of libwine 1.6.2-6
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13:25<SynrG>ksru: yes, but since many CDs exist, please specify: debian 7.4, aka wheezy?
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13:25<SynrG>ksru: using default desktop, i.e. gnome?
13:25<ksru>i mean, most recent non-testing, as of last night
13:26<babilen>rect: And you really can't remember that you've installed anything (well *wine*) from testing before?
13:27<SynrG>ksru: i don't exactly recall how it was in wheezy. in jessie, there is Settings > Power > Blank Screen > Never
13:27<ksru>it should be simple, i know. but the displays or power pref panels dont do it, i monkeyed with dconf-editor (or whatever its called), found the settings i thought, but they didn't fix it, even disabling the gnome power module thing
13:27<rect>babilen: I don't remember that I did, but I tried much before I asked for help, and this maybe happened.
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13:28<SynrG>ksru: sec, i have a wheezy system handy i could check on ...
13:28<ksru>its not a problem i ever had, or expected, they just seem to have removed the dropdown to let you select never
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13:28<babilen>rect: it looks as if you broke your system in subtle ways, I'll be back in a bit .. but provide the information and all them in here can take a look
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13:29<rect>babilen: I apprc
13:30<ksru>i don't mind totally removing or breaking power management stuff, these boxes will only ever be used for playing tv
13:30<rect>babilen: lol.. meant to type I appreciate the help.
13:30<SynrG>ksru: ah, it's coming back to me now. System Settings > Brightness & Lock, and yes, stupidly they make it so you can't change it ...
13:31<SynrG>ksru: i don't recall if there's a way around this with gnome-tweak-tool or dconf-editor or some such ...
13:31<ksru>with dconf editor it looks like it SHOULD be in org>gnome>settings-daemon>power
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13:32<ksru>but even setting that to "inactive" doesnt seem to fix it
13:32<rostam>Hi Need help please. After sudden shutdown, I am not able to login. After entering the password, for a moment it seems I am in, but then it goes back to login shell. So I do not think the issue is password. Any help greatly appreiciated please? thx
13:33<ksru>in fact, it dims slowly and theactrically and everything. im thinking theres redundant things that the gui panel coordinates for the dimming.....
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13:33<ksru>but im pretty bummed that they took out those options in the gui, i use linux for options, not smartphone style babysitting
13:34<SynrG>ksru: yes, "slowly and theatrically" is a good sign gnome has its grubby hands on it, not simply some lower level thing
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13:34<SynrG>ksru: i'm still checking stuff. will get back to you in a few mins
13:35<ksru>thank you
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13:35<stelicho>Hi all, I had a quick question. Is there a location in the debian file system where application crash dumps are kept?
13:36<SynrG>ksru: in the early days of gnome3, in their zeal to trim "unessential" things out, they missed some important use cases. :/
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13:36<SynrG>ksru: the good news is, in jessie, this will be much, much better.
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13:38<SynrG>ksru: did you mean org>gnome>settings-daemon>plugins>power?
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13:38<ksru>thats what i tried
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13:39<ksru>it had some settings that seem like theyd need to be set infinite, and putting 0 didnt work, like they looked redundant to others that did specify set 0 for infinite
13:39<ksru>and simply disabling it didnt work etiher
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13:39<ksru>in fact, it didnt seem to be having any effect
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13:40<ksru>though it did change when i changed the gui preferences
13:40<ksru>it changed the ones that WOULDNT take a 0, though
13:40<SynrG>ksru: that is apparently only one of two settings
13:41<SynrG>that influences power management of the display, but not the screensaver.
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13:41<SynrG>ksru: try org>gnome>desktop>screensaver>idle activation
13:42<SynrG>uncheck that
13:42<ksru>will do, thankee
13:42<SynrG>idle-activation-enabled, i mean
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13:43<ksru>yeah, thats gotta be it
13:44<ksru>appreciate it
13:44<SynrG>ksru: after that ...
13:44<SynrG>you might *still* need "xset s off"
13:44<SynrG>otherwise dpms might be powering it down
13:44<ksru>wait, what?
13:44<SynrG>that's Xorg doing it to you in that case, not gnome (and wouldn't be accompanied by "dramatic" stuff :)
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13:45<SynrG>just guessing
13:45<ksru>sorry, where do i change that?
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13:45<ksru>i woldnt doubt it
13:45<SynrG>you would need to have your login session perform that.
13:45<SynrG>you could autorun that as part of your session.
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13:45<ksru>..... they REALLY care about power saving....
13:46<SynrG>well, there's no "they" ...
13:46<SynrG>there are different groups with different agendas. xorg, to make a reasonable default for power management ...
13:46<ksru>well, apparently a lot of people really care about it
13:46<SynrG>gnome to give you "reasonable" knobs to control it
13:46<SynrG>if you say to gnome "please don't control it", xorg's defaults likely kick in ...
13:46<SynrG>that's what i am theorizing, anyway
13:47<ksru>well, if the option you found does it, i can turn the other extension back on, with the right settings
13:47<SynrG>i'm thinking not, because those two options do different things
13:48<SynrG>it's one thing to tell the screensaver to kick in ... another to tell the power manager to kick in
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13:48<ksru>well the computers havent had ant sleeping issues or anything when i told them not to, just the screen
13:48<stelicho>Hi all, I had a quick question. Is there a location in the debian file system where application crash dumps are kept?
13:48<SynrG>but "power manager" doesn't mean just sleep, but also screen blanking
13:49<SynrG>there's active screen blanking, and just powering off the display
13:49<SynrG>the first is more expensive, power-wise
13:49<SynrG>(obviously :)
13:49<SynrG>since these are difficult concepts for the end user ...
13:49<ksru>now that you mention it, it wasent really off
13:49<SynrG>in later revs of gnome3, they apparently rationalized it all and just call it "power"
13:50<SynrG>i don't see any "Brightness & Lock" anymore
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13:50<ksru>i didnt even consider that, because it wasnt killing my composite converter, it was just sending a black screen
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13:50<SynrG>(unless i'm dealing with a brain-damaged gnome desktop ... which is actually quite likely now that i think of it ...)
13:50<ksru>i think it was just my screensaver fighting me
13:51<SynrG>don't take anything i said about how the desktop settings are in jessie as gospel, as i know at least some of my session settings are hosed due to using kdm (in sid, actually) to workaround gdm+systemd shenanigans ...
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13:52<SynrG>that could potentially influence what i can/cannot see right now under Settings
13:53<SynrG>all i can say for certain is it *does* have a Settings>Power>Blank screen>Never
13:53<SynrG>and that's something i didn't have in 3.2
13:53<ksru>well, crossing my fingers for this to get it done
13:53<SynrG>yeap. hope so
13:53<ksru>just set it, so i'll see
13:54<SynrG>if dpms kicks in, that's *probably* a 10 minute default
13:54<ksru>muchos gracias, and ill come back around if it fails
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13:55<SynrG>stelicho: if it produced a core file, it would be output to the current directory. if you're talking about messages logged ... ~/.xsession-errors
13:55<SynrG>stelicho: by "application", i assume you mean "on the desktop"?
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13:56<stelicho>SynrG: Yes, I mean in xsession
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13:57<SynrG>stelicho: so, i would look in ~/.xsession-errors first (or ~/.xsession-errors.old if it was from the previous desktop session)
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13:57<SynrG>stelicho: however, if you can get it to reliably crash and want to not be confused by all the *other* things that spew into that log, you can start the application from the commandline and just watch the terminal for output
13:58<SynrG>(or redirect stderr + stdout to some file)
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13:59<stelicho>SynrG: I have thought about doing that, however it's been a recurring problem. After I leave my computer on for about an hour certain programs crash and refuse to open
14:00<valdyn>stelicho: sounds like your hardware is broken
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14:01<SynrG>bad ram, thermal issue
14:01<SynrG>something of that sort
14:02<valdyn>stelicho: i would guess its ram that only gets used after a while
14:02<valdyn>stelicho: but just run memtest86 and see for yourself...
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14:03<stelicho>valdyn: I have a half-cooked theory about that. When I got this computer it had a hackintosh install. Everyonce in a while I see apple devices identified when the kernel is loading the devices. I have no evidence that it's what's causing my issues
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14:04<stelicho>SynrG: valdyn: I have already tested the memory, no problems there
14:05<stelicho>SynrG: I got the crash info, I'll go make a paste
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14:08<valdyn>stelicho: not useful
14:08<SynrG>yeah. not relevant. lots of things do that
14:09<dpkg> mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like
14:09<stelicho>Ok will use that next time
14:09<valdyn>stelicho: compile a kernel, if that fails, then its your hardware
14:10<valdyn>stelicho: memtest86 is bad at reproducing issues that only show when the system heats up, so your ram might still not be ok
14:11<trico>memtest plus hair dryer?
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14:12<stelicho>Is there another location I can paste or should I just complie the kernel first?
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14:19<stelicho>cd /usr/src/
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14:19<stelicho>whoops wrong window
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14:24<cowsaysmuu>can anyone try this website in iceweasel?‎
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14:26<lostatwork>ok it looks like a website
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14:28<SynrG>cowsaysmuu: i'm waiting for the part where you explain how this is a debian support question ...
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14:30<ompaul>3...2..1.0 time is up - now minus 100 credibility points
14:30<stelicho>Should I just complie the kernel or install it too? It's compiling
14:30<valdyn>stelicho: no, just compile it
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14:30<valdyn>stelicho: its just one job that is a prettey good test for your hardware
14:31<valdyn>stelicho: because it will notice if errors happen
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14:31<stelicho>cool. Should I go get a beer and post back when it's done?
14:31<valdyn>stelicho: contrary to most jobs
14:32<Notaris>I am using the stock gnucash of wheezy, but that is unfortunately not SEPA-ready (a new banking norm in Europe). What is the correct way to kindly request a newer version in wheezy-backports?
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14:32<ompaul>Notaris: file a bug
14:33<nocturnal>if the latest gnucash is what you need then I would build-dep and compile it from source. usually works
14:33<abrotman>or use uupdate
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14:33<Notaris>ompaul: Whishlist bug for gnucash, requesting a wheezy-backports version?
14:33<ompaul>Notaris: yeah
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14:34<ompaul>Notaris: did it even do EFTS?
14:34<valdyn>thats not a backport
14:34<valdyn>i mean, not even sid has a 2.5.x version
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14:35<ompaul>valdyn: sid has 2.6
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14:35<valdyn>oops, i checked the wrong box
14:35<valdyn>yea indeed
14:35<Notaris>ompaul: what is EFTS? google spits out equivalent full time student, but that is certainly not what you meant!
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14:36<ompaul>Notaris: presepa transfers in some zones I doubt if it would even do sepa
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14:37<cowsaysmuu>why does my iceweasel crash on that site and some others
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14:37<nocturnal>cowsaysmuu: try running it through strace to see where it crashes.
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14:38<SynrG>cowsaysmuu: which iceweasel version?
14:38<ompaul>first delete your cache and history
14:38<SynrG>,v iceweasel
14:38<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 24.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 24.3.0esr-1; sid: 24.3.0esr-1; experimental: 27.0-2
14:38<Notaris>Well, I am still doing online-banking with the current gnucash version 2.4.10 of wheezy, but that will not be for long. The version in testing (2.6.1) should be fine. Also the required other packages (libaqbanking and gwenhywfar) are already existing in wheezy-backports in up-to-date status
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14:47<Notaris>ompaul: I filed a wishlist-bug. Thanks for your help!
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14:48<ompaul>Notaris: now with that in mind be prepared to do what nocturnal suggested
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14:51<stelicho>So compiling the kernel as a test for faulty hardware yeilded this:
14:52<Notaris>ompaul: I noted the suggestion. I am a happy linux user for many years and not completely afraid of the terminal. However, I learned to appreciate the comfort of installing binary packages via the package management and will continue to do so if I have the choice. :)
14:52<SynrG>stelicho: pretty much confirming our suspicions
14:52<SynrG>stelicho: do you have sensors for your fans / temperature?
14:52<Notaris>ompaul: For reference, here the link to the wishlist-bug:
14:52<SynrG>my guess is insufficient cooling
14:53<stelicho>SynrG: Not sure, if I did, how would I make sure they are working correctly?
14:54<SynrG>make sure they aren't giving you crazy values
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14:55<SynrG>also, you can check with your hand by each fan ...
14:55<SynrG>you should at the very least (for a desktop system) have a fan on the PSU, and that should be moving
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14:56<stelicho>The case fan, the psu fan, the gpu fan, the cpu fan are all working
14:56<SynrG>cpu and gpu temperature would be nice to know
14:57<dpkg>lm_sensors (Linux-monitoring sensors) is a hardware health monitoring package for CPU temperature, fan speed, etc. Packaged for Debian as lm-sensors. #linux-sensors on
14:57<stelicho>pefect one sec
14:57<SynrG>hdd temperature as well
14:57<valdyn>neat, gcc already tried to reproduce..
14:58<SynrG>,v hddtemp
14:58<judd>Package: hddtemp on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3-beta15-46; jessie: 0.3-beta15-52; sid: 0.3-beta15-52; wheezy: 0.3-beta15-52
14:59<SynrG>if you have nvidia non-free, i think nvidia-settings has some graphical thing for showing GPU temp
14:59<lostatwork>yes it does
14:59<lostatwork>in nvidia-settings
14:59<SynrG>for other chipsets, not sure how to see GPU temp
15:00<stelicho>I don't use non-free software. I have an ati raedon hd 5870. Sorry I am lagging on the resonse but my shell is acting buggy
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15:01<SynrG>stelicho: *probably* lm-sensors covers that too. can't say for sure, though
15:02<stelicho>one sec gonna reboot
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15:03<SynrG>$ cat /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon1/name
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15:04<SynrG>all kinds of goodies in there. not sure what they all mean :)
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15:04<stelicho>ok I am getting lm-sensors now..
15:06<SynrG>i have to run shortly. hopefully others will be able to help if i suddenly vanish :)
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15:10<stelicho>SynrG: thansk so much for your help though. Here is the paste
15:11<SynrG>fan4, of course, could just be a sensor not wired to a fan
15:12<SynrG>otherwise, none of that looks alarming.
15:13<stelicho>Are there other tests I can preform?
15:13<SynrG>i don't see anything there about radeon.
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15:15<SynrG>also, you could use hddtemp to look at hdd temperatures
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15:16<SynrG>you might need to load some other kernel module to enable monitoring of the radeon card temp
15:17<stelicho>ok lemme look that up, in the meantime, i'll paste the hdd temp
15:17<SynrG>do you have anything in /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon*/name that looks like radeon?
15:18<SynrG>so long as you do, i think lm-sensors can monitor it
15:20<SynrG>5:10 < valdyn> stelicho: memtest86 is bad at reproducing issues that only show when the system heats up, so your ram might
15:20<SynrG> still not be ok
15:20<SynrG>stelicho: other tests that can be done with faulty ram:
15:20<SynrG>if you have multiple sticks, try running with one stick pulled out at a time
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15:21<SynrG>if it runs stable with all but the bad stick pulled, you know you've found the culprit
15:21<SynrG>er, all but the bad stick *inserted* i mean :)
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15:22<stelicho>SynrG: I'll look at that but first I am searching hwmon for raedon
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15:23<stelicho>would it be hwmon0 or hwmon1?
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15:30<stelicho>I can't seem to find radeon in /sys/class/hwmon
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15:52<gui_arruda>Hi, I am installing a debian on my new notebook, How is the bes manner to create my partition table? Create one paritio or /usr ? is it a good idea? Why?
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15:53<gui_arruda>I mean for /usr another for /home and so on?
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15:54<sney>depends on what you're doing
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15:55<sney>for a laptop I would say either use 1 big partition for everything, or separate / and /home
15:56<gui_arruda>when would be interesting to create more partitions?
15:57<gui_arruda>one more question How much space for swap?
15:57<sney>if you are going to suspend to disk (hibernate) you need at least as much swap as you have system ram.
15:57<gui_arruda>by interesting I mean would be a good idea, sorry, english is not my main language, somtimes I confuse people, sorry
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15:58<sney>well if you had a dual boot system and needed to share data between debian and windows, for instance, you could have a separate partition formatted as fat32
15:59<sney>keeping /home on a separate partition means you don't have to worry as much about backing it up if you have to reinstall the OS
16:00<gui_arruda>ok, thanks a lot
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16:19<stelicho>I cannot find my video card in sys/class/drm. I have the open source drivers installed but I want to change the power profile of my card
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17:27<bertus>hi, can anybody help me to install a wi-fi usb to connect to internet of the mark sitecom?. sitecom wi-fi usb adapter n300
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18:52<allen>what is this chat all about
18:52<allen>everything ubuntu ?
18:52<themill>no, Debian.
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18:54<allen>i have a netbook the specs is about 1ghz 1ram wonderin whis os distro would optimize my netbook experience i have xubuntu now but i get skippy videos and game
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18:55<allen>i was thinkin chrome linux os
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18:56<sney>allen: this is a support channel for debian, not a compare-every-distro channel. if you install debian we can help you if you have any questions then
18:56<allen>what is dedian
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18:58<allen>i thought xubuntu was debian distro
18:58<centrx>troll is troll
18:58<abrotman>allen: please use #xubuntu on
18:58<sney>xubuntu is based on ubuntu which is based on debian. they have things in common but they are not the same
18:58<abrotman>centrx: or just lost ..
18:59<allen>just wouldnt mind being enlightened
18:59<sney>allen: has a lot of information, and if you have a specific question you can ask us
19:00<allen>ok i am looking at the website now
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19:00<allen>can i use debian to install on my netbook to help out with my viewing experience with my netbook?
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19:01<abrotman>We don't know, we have no details about your netbook
19:02<abrotman>allen: I will say that Xubuntu is targeted toward newer Debian users
19:02<abrotman>erm .. Newer Linux users
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19:02<allen>yes i am sorta new not a developer
19:03<allen>i am looking for a lightweight linux distro just for like netflix youtube crackle experience and perhaps run small games similar to comand ond conqure
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19:04<abrotman>Netflix doesn't run on Linux generally (Ubuntu had some workaround at some point involving Wine I think, you'd have to ask them)
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19:05<allen>the website should run
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19:06<allen>but i mean like when i watch youtube vidz its all choppy
19:06<Arrowmaster>netflix uses silverlight, it doesnt work on linux
19:06<@abrotman>allen: This is not #xubuntu, please use #xubuntu on
19:06<allen>ok ok already lml
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19:06<allen>thanx for the help otherwise
19:07<allen>is there a distro channel i can go to ?
19:08<allen>to compare distros anyone can share with me
19:08<sney>freenode ##linux, maybe
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19:08<abrotman>allen: ##linux on freenode
19:09<gui_arruda>I am trying to install a nvidia driver on my note, but I have some trouble
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19:10<gui_arruda>the nvidia-detect do not recognizes my video card
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19:11<MMavipc>How do I turn on vsync in X so flash videos don't tear?
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21:57<gesichtslos>Hey, I have a newbie question. I just installed Debian Wheezy on a headless server, and configured it to use a static IP. The server's hostname is sagan, but "ping sagan" and "ping localhost" are unable to resolve the name. "ping" works though. Any ideas?
22:00<petemc>gesichtslos: edit /etc/hosts
22:00<petemc>how did you install debian?
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22:44<rjsalts> was reopened
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22:47<gesichtslos>petemc: I did edit /etc/hosts to say " sagan" then rebooted to no avail. Debian was installed via an i386 net install CD.
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23:27<kini>"What types of network connections are supported during installation? The network install assumes that you have a connection to the Internet. Various different ways are supported for this, like analogue PPP dial-up, Ethernet, WLAN (with some restrictions), but ISDN is not — sorry!" - from
23:27<kini>what exactly are these restrictions on WLAN?
23:27<sney>some wifi adapters need binary firmware, which may or may not be available on an installer disc
23:28<sney>but afaik, all forms of encryption are supported so long as the adapter works
23:28<kini>right, mine does -- the livecd installer in fact tells me this and prompts me to insert removable media containing said firmware
23:28<kini>the netinst image doesn't seem to even notice that I have wifi hardware, though
23:28<sney>there's also an installer that includes the firmware
23:28<sney>!firmware image
23:28<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from . See also <install guide>.
23:29<sney>an easier solution if you're not sure exactly which firmware files apply
23:29<kini>that's fine, I've already got the firmware downloaded onto a different USB stick and ready to go, but the netinst (testing) image isn't asking me for it
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23:29<sney>!testing installer
23:29<dpkg>Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage.
23:30<kini>I actually want to install sid, but I imagine the same advice applies
23:30<sney> required reading if you want to use sid
23:32<kini>interesting, so support for sid is not offered in this channel, but only in #debian-next?
23:32<sney>it's mostly the same helpers but we prefer to keep the support split
23:33<kini>fair enough. Looks like there's only 1/3 as many people in there as in here, but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean it's only 1/3 as helpful :)
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23:33<sney>1/3 of 600 is still a lot of people
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23:34<centrx>kini, There are a lot of Debian channels for different things. Keeps the noise level down and avoids mass confusion
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23:37<kini>sney: sure, I don't mean to disparage the volunteers who provide support on IRC. The majority of people in IRC channels like these tend to be lurking and/or more takers than givers anyway -- like me! at least so far
23:37<kini>I'm coming from Gentoo, whose IRC channel has more than a thousand people in it, so it naturally did occur to me that 200-odd was a small number, but quantity isn't quality, as they say :)
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23:37<kini>centrx: makes sense. I'm in 7 of them already!
23:38<kini>8 if you count #debian on freenode, which I gather is unofficial (but seems even more popular than here, for some reason)
23:38<centrx>kini, The #debian channel on Freenode is bigger, but you will usually be referred to #debian-next from there as well.
23:38<kini>yup, it's even in the topic
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23:41<sney>once upon a time, the #debian on freenode /was/ the official #debian, and it's still the go-to for a lot of people (especially those who don't want to be connected to multiple ircnets) and it has the same ops and same factoid bot and same a lot of other stuff
23:50<kini>hmm, yeah, I can't say there's much else that I'm using OFTC for other than debian, whereas on freenode I'm in 30 channels, so I can see the appeal
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