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00:47<del1>hi
00:47<del1>i am getting error "dnl" command not found. what is dnl and can i install it?
00:47<del1>i get this error while trying to ./configure.ac for gambas3
00:49<jm_>surely they describe build dependencies somewhere
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00:50<themill>del1: debian already has gambas3 packages - you might like to look at them
00:50<del1>themill, they are old.
00:50<del1>themill, i need newest one for i-ne
00:50<del1>i-nex
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00:51<themill>that doesn't mean the build-dependencies or the build system aren't useful to you
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00:51<del1>I already install gambas3 from default debian repo. That does not help. i-nex needs the newest version.
00:53<themill>that wasn't what I suggested.
00:55<del1>Then I dont understand you. What do you want me to do?
00:56<themill>!build-deps
00:56<dpkg>build-deps are the packages you need to compile a package. "aptitude build-dep package-you-want-to-build" will install them, or use mk-build-deps (equivs package) to have undo-able build-dep installation. If using <uupdate> or <ssb> to update a package, you will likely need additional -dev packages. You can «/msg judd builddeps package».
00:56<themill>del1: the debian maintainers obviously know how to compile the package -- why not look at how they're doing it?
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01:12<del1>themill, ok.
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01:14<del1>themill, build-dep i-nex started to remove all the necessary packages already installed inthe system. it wont stop by ctcl^C
01:14<themill>eh?
01:15<themill>There is no "i-nex" package in Debian.
01:15<del1>themill, http://pastebin.com/c8wEQPwP
01:16<del1>themill, I am talking about i-nex from the begining. you told me to do build dep for i-nex
01:16<themill>No, I told you to look for the build-deps for gambas3 because you were trying to build gambas.
01:16<themill>(also, it's not like apt didn't tell you it was going to remove those packages before doing so...)
01:16<del1>how do i stop this aptitude now?
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01:17<del1>it wond kill processid and it wond ctrl C
01:17<centrx>del1, Not a big deal, you can re-install the packages easily
01:17<del1>centrx, how will i remember name of so many packages?
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01:17<centrx>del1, Ctrl-C is caught to prevent leaving the packages in a broken state
01:17<centrx>del1, Scroll back up in the terminal?
01:18<centrx>del1, It said what it was going to do before it did it...
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01:18<del1>centrx, i thought its regular shall i install these packages prompt since i am doing it with build-dep?
01:19<del1>why on earth "BUILD" dep want to "REMOVE" anything?
01:19<del1>why its called build?
01:19<del1>how shall i stop this aptitude now?
01:19<themill>it's cleaning up packages it can't see any reason to have on the system. It would have offered to do that on *any* invocation.
01:20<del1>why not leave cleaning job on user? why not build dep just "builds dependencies"?
01:20*del1 searching for logic.
01:21<themill>it's aptitude's job to track this. And it then suggests to you to do it. And you said it should.
01:21<del1>suddenly I dont know how, but all these thousands of ctrl c terminated aptitude now.
01:21*themill is not missing any logical steps hre
01:21<del1>:-(
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01:23<jm_>aptitude and dpkg have a log so you can easily find uninstalled packages there
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01:27<stelicho>Hi all, I have question. I compiled a kernel from kernel.org (3.13) and everything seems to work with it but when booting, the output is verbose with errors about drivers not being loaded. Is the 3.13 kernel compatible with wheezy?
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01:27<del1>ok
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01:28<jm_>stelicho: it should be, which drivers is this about? how did you configure the kernel?
01:29<jdwwatts>the french version is the only one i can get to work for everthing or so and theres no help
01:30<jdwwatts>xubuntu'
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01:30<stelicho>jm_: It references the usb drivers and the ati radeon drivers. but they work just fine after a long while (xcompmgr & keyboard work) but it was configured and compiled with the standard makefile
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01:31<stelicho>jdwwatts: everything works fine I just want to know. It does increase the boot time a lot wich is kind of annoying.
01:32<Hatter>I have 2 external hard drives plugged in at a remote site, /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd how can I tell udev to switch them around ?
01:33<jm_>stelicho: no, not makefile, how did you configure the kernel? did you not configure it at all then?
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01:34<stelicho>Hatter: can you change where they are mounted to as a fix?
01:34<stelicho>jm_: before or after the install?
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01:35<jm_>Hatter: https://wiki.debian.org/udev has examples of udev rules
01:35<jm_>stelicho: ok you didn't ;) - use debian config file for it, recompile and reinstall it
01:35<Hatter>stelicho, they weere unplugged and then replugged in, but in the wrong order. I don't have specific udev rules to assign them currently so they get the next /dev/sd* available
01:36<Hatter>I would like to switch them around if possible
01:36<Hatter>jm_, I will check thx
01:36<Hatter>jm_, can udev be told to 'release' ?
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01:37<jm_>Hatter: maybe with 'udevadm trigger', otherwise you could try this approach https://enc.com.au/2014/02/14/resetting-usb-devices/
01:37<stelicho>jm_: how do you use the debian config file? what is the debian config file?
01:37<Hatter>jm_, thx
01:38<jm_>Hatter: no worries
01:39<jm_>stelicho: you really shouldn't be building your own kernels if you are asking this - cd /where/you/unpacked/the/kernel ; cp /boot/config-.... .config ; make oldconfig ; build install
01:41<stelicho>jm_: I did make a .config file before I compiled the code, but I didn't know you had to use the debian config at /boot/config..
01:42<stelicho>do you use the 3.2 .config?
01:43<jm_>stelicho: so you use default kernel config?
01:43<stelicho>jm_: Si
01:45<jm_>stelicho: ok you really want to add more options to that, debian's config should be good, and you can take the config for 3.12 from a bpo kernel or .13 from the trunk kernel if you want
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01:47<stelicho>jm_: perfect. thank you jm_ :)
01:47<jm_>stelicho: no worries
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02:14<jm_>No such file or directory
02:15<centrx>kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 0
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03:27<twb>On jessie, apt-file knows about paths that contain both "polkit" and "rules".
03:27<twb>But on wheezy, there are no matches
03:27<twb>Where are the polkit policies stored?
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03:28<twb>I mean, the configuration that says things like "by default GUI users can mount stuff in /media, but cannot restart the system"
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03:42<twb>Aha, found some old notes. /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/
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03:54<del1>how do i install command "no"
03:55<us_0gb>del1: Try installing the command-not-found package, then trying to run the no command.
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03:55<us_0gb>Then the command line will tell you what package you need for no.
03:56*themill doubts there is such a command
03:56<del1>themill, try making monit from source
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03:56<themill>why?
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03:56<del1>themill, then you will get eror bin bash :no command not found.
03:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 657] by debhelper
03:57<themill>why try compiling monit?
03:57<del1>to know that such command called "no" exists
03:57<themill>del1: why do you want to compile monit?
03:58<del1>themill, I made little changes to source code!
03:58<themill>dpkg: tell del1 about package recompile
03:58<themill>your life would be easier if you stopped doing this sort of thing and used the packages...
03:58<del1>if i again run build-dep it will again start remevoing everything.
03:59*themill does not believe that
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04:00<twb>del1: sounds to me like your compilation error is due to a bug in monit's autotools ode
04:00<twb>*code
04:00<del1>twb, I dont think so. than line which gave error is ="FLEX = no"
04:01<twb>del1: monit is in Debian; you should just use Debian's version. Don't expect much sympathy if you try to build it yourself.
04:01<del1>twb, i am making some code changes. has to build my own.
04:01<themill>no.
04:01<del1>:-o
04:01<twb>Then you're on your own.
04:01<del1>:-(
04:01<twb>Pester a different channel, like #monit or ##workingset
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04:02<del1>twb, but i am not here for monit. i am here for "no"
04:02<twb>Plonk.
04:02<jm_>that's telling you it can't find flex, it's not about "no" AFAIU
04:03<del1>ok
04:04<del1>commented it.
04:04<themill>del1: debian maintainers have spent a lot of time working out how to compile these things. Making use of their work would be sensible.
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04:05<del1>themill, I want to. But build-dep has personal grudge against me.
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04:06<twb>themill: I'm assuming upstream shipped both the .y and the .yy.c so non-patched builds don't B-Dep on flex
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04:06<twb>(The alternative is just that he's a bit sillier than I hope)
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04:06<del1>:'-(
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04:08<del1>themill, how do i put sources uri in my sources.list? aptitude -R build-dep monit ask for it? shall i put the web adress of the monit source code? which in in compressed form?
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04:09<twb>del1: deb foo --> deb-src foo
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04:09<del1>ok
04:09<jm_>don't remove deb lines though, copy them and make the above change
04:10<twb>Right, sorry.
04:11<del1>yeah.
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04:31<del1>themill, i get configure error http://pastebin.com/jZQXGYkS help please
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04:44<trivi>#exit
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04:49<del1>How do I learn debin rule? its in the step 4
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04:49<jm_>it's a makefile
04:50<del1>jm_, i am getting these errors http://pastebin.com/XtLxXd2i for dpkf buildpackage -uc -us
04:50<jm_>del1: put everything there, from the command you ran to the end
04:51<del1>jm_, http://pastebin.com/XNMMyYGb
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04:52<jm_>del1: is monit-5.4 the debian source package or upstream?
04:52<del1>i got it with apt-get source monit
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04:56<jm_>debuild -uc -us -b works for me with monit 5.4
04:56<rohu>haiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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04:56<del1>jm_, i thout i have to ru dpkg buildpackage? what is debuild?
04:57<jm_>del1: man debuild
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04:58<jm_>was this immediately after you installed the source package?
04:58<jm_>or did you make any changes?
04:58<del1>i did not installed the source package yet. i made changes.
04:58<jm_>a few minuets ago you said "i got it with apt-get source monit" - so which is it?
04:59<del1>i got it with apt get source . thin i modified it.
04:59<del1>then
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04:59<jm_>does it work if you don't make modifications?
05:00<del1>I did not tried that. i just wanted to build the monit with my changes.
05:00<jm_>try that first
05:00<del1>ok
05:03<del1>jm_, dpkg buildpackage without my changes - with the original non modified monit- work well and gives me .deb
05:03<jm_>del1: so what changes are you making then?
05:04<del1>jm_, to make it store a value in new custom variable and thes show it in monit output.
05:04<del1>by adding that variable to mystuct_myprogram in monit.h and then storing it in cervlet.c
05:04<jm_>del1: well try it again
05:04<del1>ok
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05:05<jm_>doesn't sound like something that should break clean target
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05:12<del1>jm_, got same error i get first time previously http://pastebin.com/a25brYhb
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05:19<monod>hello, I have another problem
05:20<monod>my sound card won't be recognized anymore by debian...
05:20<monod>this is so frustrating as well, because I had sound card issues from the beginning
05:20<monod>anyway, talking of solutions,
05:21<monod>"aplay -l" doesn't even list it...
05:22<monod>babilen?
05:22<del1>if had it from the begining, how about changing distro?
05:23<Eco>monod: from beginning? install your audio if possible in another pci slot........
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05:24<monod>del1, no: I had constant problems/issues, but audio "worked" (I had to write .asoundrc as someone told me, but that did not work anymore too... the only way to make it work was to unplug and plug back in...) Eco: I mean I have an USB sound card
05:24<monod>also, remember that my english is bad
05:24<Eco>okay.
05:24<monod>and my frustration with linux is high
05:24<monod>medium to high, actually
05:24<monod>I also got satisfactions sometime
05:25<monod>anyway, why aplay -l doesn't even list it?
05:25<Eco>does your usb-port change from number after installation ?
05:25<Eco>or reboot
05:25<Eco>?
05:26<monod>nope, but I've just noticed that plugging it to the next usb port makes it recognizable O_O
05:26<monod>F----
05:26<monod>why is this T_T
05:26<monod>bleah.
05:26<Eco>usb1.1 and usb 2.0 ?
05:26<monod>nope
05:26<monod>2.0, all of them
05:26*monod sighs
05:27<monod>anyway, now there's the other problem
05:27<monod>how to make the audio work from boot to shutdown without unplugging it first
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05:27<monod>(after booting into debian)
05:27<monod>maybe:
05:27<monod>changing the line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" to index=1
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05:29<monod>oh my god, in that file it says the line "keeps the usb card from being the first one to be used" O_O O_O that's non-sense to me, is there any explanation to this? # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
05:29<monod>options snd-usb-audio index=-2
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05:39<Eco>try add modprobe in /etc/rc.local > like rmmod snd_hda_intel
05:39<Eco>modprobe snd_hda_intel before exit(0)
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05:42<Eco>rmmod snd-usb-audio
05:42<Eco>modprobe snd-usb-audio
05:42<Eco>exit(0)
05:42<Eco>in /etc/rc.local
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05:48<Eco>when /rc.local was empty, enable the exection bit.
05:48<Eco>execution bit.
05:49<jm_>del1: can't really figure it out if I don't have exact same sources to examine
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05:51<Eco>chmod +x
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05:58<Eco>/var/log/syslog | grep pd1eco
05:58<Eco>oeps
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06:09<babilen>monod: Yes?
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06:10<monod>already written everything before in the channel, anyway I changed usb port and the sound card got recognized...
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06:11<monod>I'm now about to turn off the computer tho
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06:11<monod>see you and thanks Eco
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06:46<sonfack_>hi
06:46<del1>echo `date`>>hello.sh works from terminal but do not work in a file?
06:46<sonfack_>depuis j ai pb installer squid
06:46<del1>hello.txt i mean.
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06:47<sonfack_>sur Debian 6
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06:48<sonfack_>pb installing squid on Debian 6
06:48<jm_>why are you still using debian 6 and what kind of problem?
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06:49<sonfack_>Debian 6 beaucause is the own i have for now
06:50<sonfack_>the pb is that after configurating a transparent proxy using squid
06:50<sonfack_>client can not connect to internet
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06:51<jm_>keep in mind that security support for debian 6 will end soon
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06:52<sonfack_>thanks for the information
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06:55<sonfack_>jm_
06:55<sonfack_>please can you help me
06:55<wilson>hi
06:55<wilson>got a question
06:56<jm_>sonfack_: I am not really familiar with transparent proxy config for squid, so I'm afraid not
06:56<sonfack_>after installing transparent proxy my network client can't go over internet
06:56<sonfack_>ok
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06:57<sonfack_>ok thanks jm_
06:58<jm_>I will probably need to configure this too myself at some point in near future as stupid garmin updater doesn't support proxy and it's far easier to limit it via transparent proxy than with iptables
06:59<sonfack_>jm_ do you have any solution for transparent proxy ?
06:59<sonfack_>other than squid ?
07:00<jm_>sonfack_: I haven't really looked if there are other tools that could be used
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07:03<sonfack_>jm_: is there other chanel where i can asked question ( in french)
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07:03<jm_>sonfack_: you could try #squid on irc.freenode.net but I doubt it's in french
07:04<jm_>or perhaps the mailing list
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07:06<Rudde>Hey, how do I merge a empty pertition into my primary partition in linux?
07:07<towo^work>depends
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07:10<sonfack_>jm_ : thanks
07:11<jm_>no worries
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07:14<_spOOn_>sonfack_: you still there?
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07:16<Rudde>towo^work: How?
07:16<towo^work>Rudde, how you disc is partitioned now
07:16<towo^work>*your
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07:22<Rudde>http://i.imgur.com/99DO6CS.png
07:22<Rudde>That my primary drive and how ubuntu divided partitions when I installed it
07:22<Guest520>Hi, just a quick question: Do the Build-Depends include Depends? Or are they kept completely seperate?
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07:23<jm_>Guest520: separate of course
07:23<Guest520>okay, thanks
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07:24<towo^work>Rudde, and where you see an empty partition?
07:25<towo^work>Rudde, btw, ever heared of the command fdisk -l?
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07:25<Rudde>Well the extended one? Why do I have that? I want most files on the same partition
07:26<towo^work>the extended one is not empty
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07:26<towo^work>inside of the extended is swap and another partition
07:26<Rudde>How do you know? How can I merge them?
07:26<jm_>because the screen shot says so
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07:27<Rudde>partiton 6 then
07:27<towo^work>you can't easy
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07:27<towo^work>since this partition is in a extended one
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07:27<Rudde>Why did ubuntu dvide it like this by default?
07:27<towo^work>ask ubuntu
07:27<towo^work>here is #debian
07:28<Rudde>Well yeah but isn't ubuntu debian in core?
07:28<towo^work>no
07:28<towo^work>ubuntui does all on it's own
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07:28<towo^work>thats the point, why ubuntu isn't compatible with debian
07:28<Rudde>Well I'm going back to debian then
07:29<Rudde>Just had to switch becasue debian didn't have the graphicks drivers I needed
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07:29<towo^work>that i wouldn't believe
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07:30<musca>,v fglrx-driver --release wheezy-backports
07:30<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1
07:30<musca>,v nvidia-driver --release wheezy-backports
07:30<judd>Package: nvidia-driver on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+1
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07:31<Rudde>This is a new PC but on my old I didn't get the GPU drivers to work on debian and they where already implemented in Ubuntu
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08:04<del1>how do you build the packages which source is not available in any repo?
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08:04<Nik05>del1 not
08:05<Nik05>you need a source to build it ofcourse :P
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08:05<bernat>del1: which pakage?
08:05<del1>Nik05, ok. i got the source. now?
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08:05<del1>bernat, elementary desktop.
08:05<del1>pantheon etc.
08:05<jm_>oh no he's back!
08:05<del1>:-(
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08:06<del1>you dont respect the adventurer. shame on you.
08:07<jm_>you simply have to follow their build instructions, we can't help you for every piece of software out there
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08:08<bernat>!tell del1 -about packaging
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08:08<bernat>del1: that may help you too ^^^
08:08<del1>jm_, I was following their instructions. But then I remember how you told me that I am silly following such upstream instructions and instead should use build-dep.
08:08<jm_>del1: that's true for packages that *are* in debian
08:09<del1>I know now. After asking the questions.
08:10<guiniol>Hello. I would like know if there is any way to keep a package up to date if I install it with apt-get source? I was thinking of using apt-get source for a package present in unstable but not in stable, and not in backports either.
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08:13<bernat>guiniol: if you want to keep it up to date with unstable you have to rebuild it every new version
08:13<dzan>anyone here has experience with accessing a debian repository over https?
08:14<themill>dzan: not many people will because there is no need
08:14<dzan>W: Failed to fetch https://xxxxx/repo/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages gnutls_handshake() failed: A TLS warning alert has been received.
08:14<guiniol>bernat: I realize that, but how could I know that there is a new version?
08:14<dzan>themill, well I need some authentication :)
08:14<themill>dzan: you're using client certs?
08:15<ratdeptrai>guiniol: my advice would be to just install from the upstream's source repo, or add unstable as a repo and pin the package to it, although every time I try that it ends up causing enough dependency complications that I give up.
08:15<dzan>themill, no just username:password@url in sources.list
08:15<ratdeptrai>guiniol: but either way, if you're building from source, I don't know of any way to keep it up to date without manually rebuilding.
08:16<guiniol>ratdeptrai: I've tried that before and it didn't end very well
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08:17<themill>dzan: I assume you've got apt-transport-https installed
08:18<dzan>themill, yes indeed :)
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08:18<ratdeptrai>guiniol: Yeah, me too. Now, my standard operating procedure is: if the binary's in the standard repo for my distro, install it. If not or that's not up-to-date enough, go straight to the upstream source repo. I won't even mess with upstream's released source tarballs.
08:18<jm_>guiniol: have you looked at apt-forktracer
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08:20<themill>dzan: have you fed the certificates to apt in apt.conf (or apt.conf.d)
08:20<dzan>themill, guessing that is what I missed :D
08:21<themill>dzan: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt-https-method-example.conf.gz
08:21<dzan>themill, thanks i'll check that!
08:21<themill>there's an awful lot of knobs to tweak there
08:22<cheesus>I've installed a minimal debian install on a machine. It has no network working. what packages do I need to install to make the machine automatically get connected to the network via dhcp at boot?
08:22<guiniol>jm_: the thing is there is no official version for debian stable. I need to track it with unstable if I install from the unstable source
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08:23<jm_>guiniol: I thought that's what the tool does based on its description but I could be wrong
08:24<jm_>cheesus: so you have no dhcp packages installer or what?
08:24<dzan>themill, can't I just add the certificate somewhere? :p
08:24<jm_>installed*
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08:24<guiniol>jm_: from what I understand, it allows tracking updates in the stable release even if a newer version is installed (through backports for exemple)
08:26<jm_>guiniol: you may be right then (it might be the reverse of what you want)
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08:27<guiniol>jm_: not much info, but looks like it
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08:34<afsal>how to install photoshop cs3 in debian wheezy 64 bit
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08:36<cheesus>jm_: no I dont think there are any dhcp packages installed. what I wonder is what packages I need to install to make debian automatically configure network via dhcp at boot
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08:37<jm_>cheesus: ifupdown + isc-dhcp-client to start with
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08:38<cheesus>jm_: thank you. I will try those first and see if that works
08:38<jm_>cheesus: no worries (don't forget the dependencies)
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08:38<jm_>but off now
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08:40<cheesus>have a good day :)
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08:50<afsal>screen
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08:56<babilen>no!
08:56<babilen>tmux + mosh! -- But lets take it to #d-ot for further discussion :)
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09:20<OdyX>/win 22
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09:24<Slydder>does any have a link to any info on how to use the apt pipelines?
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09:38<wayneNOW>lxle on live 32 gb usb flash works good ,also makulu os on 32 gb flash works exc well?
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09:49<musca> Slydder, interesting. Can you you elaborate, please?
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09:55<dzan>hi, I think i'm having this issue with apt : http://askubuntu.com/questions/186847/error-gnutls-handshake-falied anyone else had it? solved it?
09:56<dzan>I tried telling apt not to check ssl certificates ( http://serverfault.com/questions/340887/using-a-self-signed-ssl-cert-for-an-https-based-internal-apt-repository ) but it still fails
09:56<dzan>so when I wrote a test in python I get the same error, apt is python right?
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10:03<Brigo>dzan: apt is C
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10:06<dzan>Brigo, oh ok but I guess it uses the same broken gnutls?
10:07<Brigo>dzan: i dont know, sorry.
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10:09<Brigo>dzan: well, i have apt and havent gnutls package installed
10:09<dzan>Brigo, maybe it's statically compiled?
10:10<dzan>Brigo, apt itself is not a package right? :)
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10:10<dzan>rebuild python like the link says and that works
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10:11<Brigo>dzan: apt is a package, but it is not a binary. They are apt-get apt-cache ...
10:11<dzan>oh I see
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10:13<dzan>hmm rebuilding python curl against openssl worked maybe I can rebuild apt
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10:20<sahutd>hello, i am looking to install debian using win-32 loader. will there be a i/o performance issue?
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10:21<sahutd>akin to the one which happens when installing ubuntu using wubi?
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10:27<d00mster>Hi there!
10:28<d00mster>I'm have a problem with wheezy on my laptop. Could somebody please help me out?
10:30<mtn>!ask
10:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:30<planetmaker>that probably depends on how good an error description you can give
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10:31<d00mster>sorry I was on the phone for a moment.
10:31<d00mster>It's the fan. It is really noisy.
10:32<d00mster>I'm using Wheezy7.2 64bit
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10:32<d00mster>On a HP Pavillion 15 with an Intel i7 chip.
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10:33<blast007>d00mster: so the system is running hot and making the fans run at full speed?
10:33<d00mster>blast007: exactly :-)
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10:34<d00mster>The laptop is pretty new so it can't be dust or old hardware
10:34<mtn>d00mster: I have a similar laptop that runs hot with any distro and the web is full of windows users complaining about the same thing.
10:34<d00mster>under win8 everything works just fine
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10:34<blast007>have you verified that it's actually running hot?
10:34<blast007>(maybe the fan speed control just isn't working under linux)
10:35<d00mster>that was my guess
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10:35<mtn>d00mster: could be video drivers, too
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10:37<d00mster>that would make sense too. I have not even bothered to thoroughly check my graphic card yet
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10:37<d00mster>It's one of those hybrid Intel-Radeon graphic solutions.
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10:39<blast007>might be something that would work better with a kernel from wheezy backports, but I'm not familiar enough with this to make that suggestion (nor instruct how to do it)
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10:40<Mason>hola
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10:43<Slydder>musca: I am trying to get the name of a package upon installation in a hook script. thus far no luck. the hook environment seems to be a VERY rudimentary setup where the hook scripts are executed and that is that.
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10:44<Slydder>however, after looking at apt-listchanges I noticed I may be able to get the info I want from the apt-pipeline. this will, of course, not help when someone installs a package with dpkg but it's currently better than nothing.
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10:44<Slydder>s/apt-pipeline/apt pipeline/
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11:00<d00mster>Thank you guys for your input. I guess I will try to install the proprietary ATI drivers.
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11:02<JayJax>hey is there anyone familiar with ssh?
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11:03<bernat>JayJax: hi, do you have a Debian support question?
11:04<chealer>!tell JayJax about anyone
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11:06<JayJax>yeah
11:06<JayJax>well
11:07<JayJax>i have a debian server and i want to use ssh on it had ssh before and it worked perfectly but now i get errors like this : network error software caused connection abort
11:08<JayJax>also have an ftp server with this error all the time while idle on connection : illegal port command debian
11:08<JayJax>im already searching for like 2/3 days now and im actualy pretty sick of this thing.
11:09<blast007>you are trying to SSH to the server? do you have openssh-server installed on the server?
11:09<blast007>and what changed since SSH last worked?
11:10<JayJax>jep ssh to the server but idk what happend and now i cant connect to it anymore openssh all the way
11:10<JayJax>tried to change the ssh keys no results
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11:10<JayJax>tried the config but yeah that one changed all the way dont understand it no more.
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11:12<blast007>JayJax: which version of debian are you running?
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11:14<JayJax>idk :P
11:14<JayJax>how do i see that hmm
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11:14<JayJax>3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64
11:14<JayJax>i guess
11:15<bernat>JayJax: lsb_release -r
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11:16<JayJax>debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst
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11:16<JayJax>7.4 i see
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11:17<bernat>JayJax: please pastebin the ssh error message and the /var/log/syslog contents in the server
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11:17<us_0gb>How very odd. When I run that command, I only gey the short answer "7.4".
11:17<us_0gb>*get
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11:18<JayJax>i got 2 syslogs
11:18<JayJax>one called syslog and other syslog.1
11:19<JayJax>??
11:19<bernat>the first one
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11:20<JayJax>daimn flashplayer crashes
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11:20<JayJax>http://pastebin.com/bCht141a
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11:23<bernat>JayJax: sorry, forgot to say that it should be the syslog after a failed connection request, is it?
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11:25<JayJax>thats the point
11:26<JayJax>i have connection through ssh
11:26<JayJax>but if i idle for about 20 seconds or more it will close out
11:26<JayJax>then i get the error
11:26<bernat>hmmm, why not start there
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11:26<JayJax>yeah thats the point cant find anything on gg about it
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11:27<JayJax>or they have like local port problems or they have no connectivity from outside but thats not my point mine is that i have connection but it dissconnects on idle
11:27<JayJax>but if i keep typing in there and doing commands there is no problems :P
11:28<JayJax>already tried an reinstallation
11:28<JayJax>no results
11:28<JayJax>removed keys out of my registery on windows no results
11:28<JayJax>changed keys from openssh no results
11:29<SynrG>if noscript is turned on, what's eating all my CPU in the iceweasel process when visiting facebook.com vs., e.g. m.facebook.com? I see a constant drain of about 80% ...
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11:30<JayJax>try top
11:30<SynrG>...
11:30<JayJax>see whats eating your ram and cpu
11:30<SynrG>reread my question
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11:30<bernat>SynrG: flash?
11:30<SynrG>no. i have flashblock.
11:30<JayJax>hmm weird
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11:31<JayJax>well still top will give you the info what prog is eating your cpu
11:31<SynrG>flashblock, adblock plus, pentadactyl, noscript.
11:31<SynrG>JayJax: again, *reread my question*
11:31<JayJax>yeah iknow but is it only iceweasel that is doing that
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11:31<JayJax>or only if you go to facebook
11:31<bernat>SynrG: you may try without addons and removing flash to rule them out
11:31<SynrG>yes. that's what i'm saying, iceweasel is constantly taking 80% CPU when visiting facebook.com
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11:32<SynrG>bernat: i did. i selectively disabled the addons one at a time
11:32<JayJax>yeah should be addons :P
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11:32<SynrG>bernat: that did not influence how much CPU is consumed by iceweasel, just idling on facebook.com
11:32<JayJax>what kind of cpu do you use?
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11:32<SynrG>not relevant. the current system is only a test to see what *generally* happens here
11:33<sney>SynrG: does it happen with any other browsers? afaik, facebook sometimes randomly targets an ip block for new "feature" rollouts/tests
11:33<SynrG>i.e. i noticed on my wife's netbook, when in iceweasel on facebook.com, CPU usage was excessively high
11:33<SynrG>i'm using *this* system to find out what's up
11:33<JayJax>if only iceweasel is doing it try an update or reinstall
11:33<SynrG>also not relevant. various versions of iceweasel exhibit the problem.
11:34<sney>e.g. chromium
11:34<JayJax>is it realy only on facebook?
11:34<SynrG>i have not found a single one that does not have high CPU usage.
11:34<JayJax>or every single page your on?
11:34<SynrG>again, reread my question :)
11:34<bernat>SynrG: you may have already tried removing all plugins I guess
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11:35<sney>JayJax: SynrG has been around a long time and he says he's covered all the simple stuff, so we have to dig a little deeper for ideas :)
11:35<SynrG>i did try to be quite thorough when i asked. facebook.com vs. e.g. m.facebook.com (i.e. on m.facebook.com it does *not* have high CPU usage, and that's one of many that do not have high CPU usage)
11:35<sney>SynrG: well what about $(not iceweasel)?
11:35<SynrG>sney: chromium is not her preferred browser, but i can try. that's more difficult for me to test here ...
11:35<JayJax>if every iceweasel has it then there is a problem in the code from iceweasel
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11:36<SynrG>my test system is wheezy + moz.d.n
11:36<SynrG>her system is sid
11:36<bernat>SynrG: I've noticed that slowness too but I guessed it was Javascript, I have never tried to disable everything in the browser to see what happens
11:36<sney>SynrG: just trying to see if it might be the website itself and not something clientside. she of course doesn't have to keep chromium
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11:37<JayJax>im on iceweasel too now and no cpu problems @ the moment
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11:37<SynrG>sney: chromium 31 on wheezy seems fine
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11:38<sney>SynrG: if chromium is unaffected, I'd suggest installing firebug and watching the page load, maybe something is getting caught in a loop?
11:38<JayJax>nope no problems on my system
11:38<SynrG>sney: i thought of that. nothing there.
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11:38<SynrG>sney: also in later iceweasel versions there is developer tools. no need for firebug anymore
11:38<sney>ah, neat
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11:39<JayJax>SynrG whats the specific page your looking @ ?
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11:39<SynrG>JayJax: iceweasel which version? when i say i tried "all kinds of versions" i mean later-than-wheezy versions
11:39<sney>what about with a clean iceweasel profile? I know it's happening on every system but I imagine you use iceweasel too, so your profile wouldn't count as 'clean' necessarily
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11:39<SynrG>JayJax: just my facebook.com home page. on hers CPU usage is similar.
11:39<SynrG>sney: possibly. that's something to explore. i could use -safe_mode
11:39<JayJax>17.0.10 iceweasel
11:39<JayJax>thats my vers
11:39<JayJax>do i need another version to test it out for you?
11:40<SynrG>JayJax: yeah. rather ancient
11:40<SynrG>26.0-1~bpo70+1 on this system
11:40<JayJax>trow me the link to downloads
11:40<SynrG>,v iceweasel
11:40<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 24.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 24.3.0esr-1; sid: 24.3.0esr-1; experimental: 27.0-2
11:40<sney>JayJax: http://mozilla.debian.net/
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11:40<SynrG>yeah. what sney said
11:41<sney>yeah definitely try safe mode
11:41<JayJax>version what?
11:41<JayJax>esr or?
11:41<SynrG>well, i was on 26
11:41<SynrG>i'm going to try 27, which is current at moz.d.n
11:42<JayJax>i only see 3.5 esr10 esr17 esr release beta aurora
11:42<sney>JayJax: 'release'
11:42<SynrG>deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release
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11:42<SynrG>i'll have to wait until my wife gets her netbook home to check version she has on sid
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11:43<JayJax>deb command not found xD
11:43<sney>JayJax: ... that goes in sources.list
11:43<JayJax>yeah see
11:43<JayJax>soz
11:43<JayJax>wrong eyes on there :P
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11:44<SynrG>sney: it may be (since i haven't actually enumerated all versions on which i have spotted this problem, and i don't have my wife's system in hand ...) that she coincidentally also has iceweasel 26.0 ...
11:45<SynrG>and 27 fixes it (crossing fingers, knocking on wood ...)
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11:45<JayJax>im on 27 now
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11:46<JayJax>max cpu @ 18 then average 4.0 and 8.6
11:46<bernat>SynrG: I can see also a high cpu usage when idle in facebook with -safe-mode and js disabled, using iceweasel in sid
11:47<SynrG>nope. no dice.
11:47<SynrG>sigh
11:47<JayJax>2cpus idle 2 busy
11:47<SynrG>8.6% is still huge for doing nothing ...
11:47<JayJax>1 cpu around 2.2 and 8.4
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11:48<sney>still 10% of what you had before
11:48<JayJax>cpu 2 around 1.6 and 6.7
11:48<SynrG>chromium uses *negligible* CPU
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11:48<bernat>mine is 42% with an FX8350
11:48<SynrG>JayJax: compare that with chromium idling on the same page
11:48<JayJax>i7 2600K @ 5.0GHz
11:48<SynrG>yeah. *way* better CPU than mine
11:48<SynrG>hence, lower numbers
11:48<SynrG>but still the same problem.
11:48<sney>I just checked and I see it too
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11:49<JayJax>it could be the memory that is causing the problem
11:49<SynrG>athlon 64 X2 5200+
11:49<sney>60something% on an i5 of some vintage
11:49<JayJax>have you checked speed of your hdd's ?
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11:49<sney>JayJax: we just repeated the issue on other people's computers, we're in bug land now
11:49<SynrG>wife's system is an Atom n450
11:49<JayJax>but i dont have it? :P
11:49<bernat>SynrG: how do you get 8.6%, iceweasel 27?
11:49<JayJax>bug land @ my end is ssh and ftp
11:49<SynrG>JayJax: you *do* have it
11:50<JayJax>iceweasel 27 max 8.9 usage
11:50<SynrG>that amount of CPU on your i7 is obscene
11:50<JayJax>only 2 cores in use
11:50<JayJax>but max 8 usage
11:50<SynrG>JayJax: like i said, compare with chromium ...
11:50<JayJax>8%*
11:50<SynrG>JayJax: chromium will be 0%
11:50<JayJax>dont use that
11:50<SynrG>or very close to it
11:51<SynrG>well, try. then you'll see the problem :)
11:51<JayJax>is it better?
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11:51<JayJax>if chromium is better why dont you use that?
11:51<SynrG>chromium has no problem. idling on facebook.com takes neglible CPU
11:51<SynrG>because it isn't. iceweasel has caught up in features and i actually prefer it now.
11:51<JayJax>then there is a problem in the code of iceweasel
11:52<SynrG>personally, i use pentadactyl add-on with it.
11:52<SynrG>there *is no pentadactyl* for chromium
11:52<SynrG>not anything even remotely like it
11:52<JayJax>okay but then there is a problem in the code from iceweasel
11:52<JayJax>only the devs could solve this problem
11:52<JayJax>you can also compare it with ie and chrome on windows
11:52<JayJax>ie eats cpu and ram while chrome only eats cpu
11:53<SynrG>this is what we've been saying. i'm trying to narrow it down. i'm a debian developer. when i've narrowed it down to something i think is bug-filing-worthy, i'll file.
11:53<SynrG>comparing to different browsers on different OSes is not going to make a compelling bug report :)
11:54<SynrG>JayJax: one more thing. did you notice an *increase* in CPU usage upgrading from iceweasel 17 to 27?
11:54<SynrG>or i could downgrade to 17 here and see for myself, i suppose.
11:54<JayJax>uhh
11:54<JayJax>well
11:54<JayJax>i could say try a downgrade
11:54<JayJax>if that is not working for you then there could be an file problem on your system
11:55<JayJax>becaus i realy dont have any problems on my iceweasel
11:55<SynrG>bernat: me? i don't get 8.6% under any curcumstances. that's JayJax i think
11:55<JayJax>same performance like 17
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11:55<JayJax>i get 8.6 cpu usage @ max
11:55<bernat>SynrG: ah, so no gain with iceweasel 27, ok
11:55<SynrG>bernat: i'm getting anywhere from 75% (with noscript) and 85% (safe mode) in all versions i've tested: 26.0 on wheezy + backports, and 27.0 on the same system.
11:55<JayJax>yeah but its not 80%
11:55<JayJax>so that means you have a problem on your sys
11:56<SynrG>JayJax: apples and oranges.
11:56<JayJax>how to start file in safe mode?
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11:57<SynrG>JayJax: don't you see the difference? you have a very powerful CPU relative to mine. so of *course* your % CPU usage is way smaller.
11:57<bernat>SynrG: my numbers are a bit lower (42%) but still too high for being idle
11:57<SynrG>JayJax: 8.6% is absolutely insane for your speedy CPU
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11:57<JayJax>ah yeahi
11:57<SynrG>my CPU, on the other hand, is *several years old*
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11:57<JayJax>i had to say im also running 20 servers on it
11:57<JayJax>so its realy low now @ the moment
11:57<SynrG>and the Atom in my wife's netbook is even wimpier
11:57<JayJax>thats why im testing with you hahaha
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11:58<JayJax>jep i only have the webserver running now
11:58<SynrG>JayJax: iceweasel -safe-mode
11:58<JayJax>that takes 4% of the cpu
11:59<SynrG>still high
11:59<SynrG>chromium is near 0, as i said. even on my much less capable CPU
11:59<JayJax>16 peak
11:59<bernat>related: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=680095
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11:59<JayJax>max @ 2.2% usage
11:59<JayJax>turened of webserver
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12:01<JayJax>jep everyserver on sleep only weasel and max 2.0% cpu usage
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12:01<JayJax>2.0% peaks
12:01<SynrG>bernat: thanks. that's interesting.
12:02<SynrG>bernat: unfortunately, the user reported that the problem was solved
12:02<JayJax>jep for some reason it stays @ 0.0% idle and some peaks to 0.4%
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12:03<JayJax>still 0.0 max peak 0.5
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12:04<JayJax>still 0.0 max peak now 0.8
12:04<bernat>SynrG: not the reporter but another user that I think didn't try with addons disabled since it says it was because of firebug
12:05<JayJax>jep @ my end iceweasel is stable
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12:05<JayJax>forgot to turn of a game server that peaks it to 8
12:05<bernat>in fact, the bug remains open
12:06<SynrG>bernat: ah, ok
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12:06<JayJax>but its weird how could he and his wife have the problem and i dont?
12:06<JayJax>the highest peak i had now is 0.8
12:06<SynrG>bernat: i wonder if this goes underreported due to the number of people who might otherwise notice it running more powerful systems where the relative percentage consumption remains lower?
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12:07<JayJax>it suxs that i cant test it on my laptop single core
12:07<JayJax>intel
12:07<JayJax>if i could test it on there i would like to do it for you but i cant now :P
12:07<JayJax>sorry
12:07<bernat>I run iceweasel in this FX8350 and an atom N450 too, I guessed the slowness was due to the heavy use of javascript in some pages, never tried with javascript disabled to confirm
12:07<SynrG>JayJax: i don't know what your "max" and "peak" figures are about. are you looking at load average? i am not.
12:08<bernat>since most people accessing those pages will have javascript on, I guess it can go unnoticed easily, just a guess
12:08<JayJax>i have the cpu dev on
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12:08<SynrG>"the cpu dev" ... ?
12:08<JayJax>script i got from a friend
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12:08<JayJax>it counts the processes and load times from everything
12:09<JayJax>also keeps track on cpu usage per cpu and thread
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12:09<SynrG>i've talked only about instantaneous readings from top for iceweasel. that's it.
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12:09<SynrG>i don't see what stopping unrelated services has to do with the problem at hand
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12:10<JayJax>i dont get anymore :P sorry but im dutch still learning english
12:10<bernat>I've just noticed the cpu usage just goes up when the tab is selected, when in another tab cpu usage goes down to 0
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12:10<JayJax>but overall top command iceweasel %CPU 0.0
12:11<blast007>SynrG: the "web developer" extension for Firefox lets you disable things like images and CSS. Would that be helpful in narrowing down the issue?
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12:11<SynrG>bernat: yes. exactly the same here.
12:11<bernat>blast007: thanks, I'll try it
12:11<SynrG>blast007: i suppose. but what would be actively chewing CPU to handle those things?
12:11<bernat>SynrG: it seems we're seeing the same problem
12:12<SynrG>it sounds more like something nasty happening in the background ... than something relating to the page rendering
12:12<bernat>it could help narrow down the bug
12:12<JayJax>same thing here but the cpu now is @ max 0.9
12:12<blast007>SynrG: my thought was a potential issue in handling CSS causing excessive redraws
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12:12<SynrG>well, i'm getting too distracted by this right now. i'll consider that for narrowing it down later.
12:13<SynrG>blast007: and you're right, i shouldn't rule out anything right now
12:13<SynrG>thanks
12:13<SynrG>later
12:13<bernat>later
12:13<JayJax>later
12:13<JayJax>okay still my question was ssh still doesnt work
12:13<JayJax>xD
12:13<JayJax>sorry for my language but im kinda freaked out becaus this weasel problem :P
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12:15<JayJax>okay dont know what it is but its realy weird
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12:15<JayJax>if i start putty and connect to my debian server leave it for 20 secs theres nothing going on
12:15<JayJax>i can look @ putty the hole time without using keys
12:16<JayJax>but when i press something nothing happends then i get this error after a few secs : software caused connection abort
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12:23<blast007>JayJax: Have you tried turning on the keepalive feature? On the connection settings of PuTTY, there's "Second between keepalives". You could try setting that to, say, 60. And there's also an "Enable TCP keepalives" option there. No idea if they'll help, but worth a try.
12:25<kini>choosing "expert install" in the debian installer doesn't do anything except prompt you for input more often than the normal installer, right?
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12:25<kini>https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch05s03.html.en casts it in terms of log detail levels, but it's an interactive process so I'm not sure how to interpret that
12:26<JayJax>trying keep alive now
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12:28<JamEngulfer>Ok, I've screwed up somewhere whilst installing
12:28<JayJax>nope keep alive still a dead option!
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12:29<JamEngulfer>I can't access root user/use sudo
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12:29<JamEngulfer>I may have created a normal user with the same name as the admin user whilst going through the installation process
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12:30<JamEngulfer>Is there anything I can do short of a reinstall?
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12:31<JamEngulfer>Actually, I just used the root terminal and it worked xD
12:32<SynrG>kini: expert mode really is for experts, and is not normally needed. what problem are you trying to solve?
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12:32<alumno>hola
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12:33<kini>SynrG: nothing really, just playing around and was curious
12:33<SynrG>kini: you've misinterpreted the doc, too
12:33<SynrG>that's not a "log level" it's talking about
12:33<SynrG>debconf *interactions* are what it's talking about
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12:33<kini>The particular text I was referring to was this sentence: "When priority=low is used, all messages are shown (this is equivalent to the expert boot method)."
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12:34<SynrG>debconf will prompt you for more stuff with the priority set lower
12:34<kini>I didn't take this to mean anything to do with actual logging, but it was reminiscent of "log levels" seen in other software, especially with the mention of how many messages are shown
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12:35<SynrG>"messages" in this context refers to the screens of text, probably also with interaction by the user.
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12:35<kini>I guess that conversely means that with the priority set higher, debconf (the backend for the installer?) will prompt you for less stuff, but what I'm wondering is, does that mean it has hardcoded default answers to questions it would have asked you, or does it do some kind of intelligent autodetection that I would lose the benefit of if I set the priority lower?
12:35<kini>ah, I see
12:35<SynrG>yes. when a question isn't asked, the default is used.
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12:36<kini>OK, thanks :)
12:36<SynrG>np
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12:37<SynrG>kini: for further reading, on a debian system, browse through the /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.templates files
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12:45<raccoon>what is the debian way of testing kernel modules built in a custom environment? is there a more convenient way than backing up and replacing the module file in specific?
12:46<raccoon>i'm trying to debug the i915 module, in preparation of a bug report.
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12:46<SynrG>kini: oh, and also the 'db_input' calls in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.config which specifies at what priority each question is asked.
12:47<SynrG>kini: hopefully that gives a bit of insight :) d-i is using the same mechanism.
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12:49<SynrG>raccoon: depmod.d(5) may help?
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12:49<kini>SynrG: thanks for the pointers :) I guess that will have to wait until I've gotten a debian system up and running, though
12:49<SynrG>ah
12:52<kini>OK, now I'm not sure how to proceed here. The debian installer is asking me for non-free firmware files, which "can be loaded from removable media, such as a USB stick or floppy".
12:52<kini>I've inserted a USB stick with the requested file sitting in the root directory of the sole partition, but selecting "Yes" (to "load missing firmware from removable media?") just brings up the dialog again after a brief pause.
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12:52<SynrG>kini: so go back to how the doc tells you to place it
12:53<SynrG>!installer firmware
12:53<dpkg>Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>.
12:53<SynrG>i guess it's not finding it?
12:54<SynrG>"To prepare a USB stick (or other medium like a hard drive partition, or floppy disk), the firmware files or packages must be placed in either the root directory or a directory named /firmware of the file system on the medium. The recommended file system to use is FAT as that is most certain to be supported during the early stages of the installation."
12:54<kini>yes, I just went and reread it, and it still seems like it's in the correct place...
12:54<SynrG>you said "in the root directory", so that qualifies. so either it's not a debian package (or the right debian package) or not a firmware file (or not the right firmware file)
12:55<SynrG>not a *debian firmware package*, that is
12:55<kini>oh, maybe it's because I formatted the USB stick as FAT32 rather than FAT?
12:55<SynrG>what specific firmware do you need?
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12:55<kini>iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode
12:56<Hifly98>hi
12:56<SynrG>well, fat32 *might* have something to do with it. dunno
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12:56<kini>I actually started by putting the .deb file listed somewhere on the debian wiki in the root directory of the USB stick, but when that didn't work, I extracted it and found the actual .ucode files
12:56<SynrG>"The recommended file system to use is FAT as that is most certain to be supported during the early stages of the installation."
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12:57<kini>incidentally, it's kind of odd that there seems to be no way to extract .xz files from the shell provided in the debian-installer, even though .deb files are compressed with xz... :)
12:57<SynrG>it doesn't say FAT32 is *not* supported during early stages of the installation but it doesn't say it is, either :)
12:57<kini>I had to boot my old OS in order to extract the deb (at least, I couldn't figure out how to do it within the installer)
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12:58<SynrG>well, xz support is undoubtedly by some library ...
12:58<SynrG>not all tools in the limited installer environment are compiled with all possible options
12:58<kini>the debian-installer environment uses the busybox implementation of tar, which I guess is self-contained
12:58<SynrG>as that bloats each tool ...
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12:59<SynrG>yeah. i think you get the picture :)
12:59<SynrG>once a system is bootstrapped, the packages within the bootstrapped system are then available to do more things
12:59<SynrG>but that's separate from the install environment
13:01<kini>I'm curious why that is even an issue -- the bloat, I mean. This is more of a philosophical question, but my old distro's recommended method of installation is to boot the systemrescuecd livecd (which is like the opposite of a "limited installer environment"!) and then type some commands into a root terminal.
13:01<kini>Doesn't it make sense to have as rich an install environment as possible, in order to allow the installer to do more things?
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13:02<kini>the expected medium for debian-installer seems to be a CD-ROM (based on the various messages you see during the installation process), so isn't there some free space? The livecd image I'm using is 472MB
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13:03<kini>for some perspective, the systemrescuecd livecd is 443MB, and the debian netinst ISO is <300 MB if I recall correctly
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13:16<bernat>SynrG: The iceweasel issue seems related to CSS, after disabling it cpu usage drops substantially. Thanks blast007
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13:17<blast007>cool, glad that helped narrow it down :)
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13:19<SynrG>facebook without css. this will be interesting ... :)
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13:19<kini>odd. I'm able to mount the FAT32 USB stick from the installer shell
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13:20<kini>I don't even need to provide a -t option to `mount`, so I don't understand why the installer wouldn't be able to find it
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13:21<bernat>SynrG: of course that's not a suggested workaround :-)
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13:25<SynrG>blast007, bernat: that would explain why the not-so-style-heavy m.facebook.com is much better.
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13:26<SynrG>https://fbstatic-a.akamaihd.net/rsrc.php/v2/yb/r/GsNJNwuI-UM.gif
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13:27<SynrG>^ animated gif, repeated over and over again throughout the page. this
13:27<SynrG>this still chews *some* cpu
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13:28<SynrG>to the tune of about 30% for me
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13:28<SynrG>i need to point out something at this juncture. all my current tests are done in vnc
13:28<SynrG>this is perhaps not the world's most efficient x server :)
13:29<SynrG>vnc4server, to be precise.
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13:31<SynrG>https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/957344
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13:33<SynrG>with SuperStop extensions installed and activated, that is down to ~0% now
13:33<SynrG>extension*
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13:34<SynrG>however, SuperStop does not, in and of itself, solve the problem on facebook.com when CSS is turned back on again. hmm
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13:35<SynrG>(and i see no animated gifs anyway)
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14:00<kini>SynrG: ok, I went and booted into my old OS, copied off a gigabyte of files from the flash drive, reformatted it as FAT16 (thereby losing half of the 8GB capacity of the drive), copied the files back onto the flash drive, booted the debian ISO, and I'm still having the same problem
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14:01<kini>any ideas?
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14:03<kini>hmm
14:03<kini>could it be that my installation media itself is also a USB stick?
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14:03<kini>maybe the installer is looking for the firmware on the installation USB stick, instead of the other one I inserted later?
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14:03<kini>it would be nice if I got, like, an error message or something when it failed to find the firmware
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14:03<kini>instead of the dialog box just popping up again
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14:04<Brigo>kini: may be you can see something in other consoles
14:04<Brigo>kini: pushin alt+f2 or f3 or so
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14:05<bernat_>SynrG: I've tried disabling images and the problem stayed, I had to disable css to lower cpu usage. Although it's true that this animated gif still takes some cpu for me too, but not so much
14:05<kini>alt+f2 and alt+f3 have deactivated consoles, alt+f4 has what looks like dmesg output
14:05<Brigo>kini: ... or so, you know :-)
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14:05<craig>hi i got a problem with crontab's
14:06<craig>when I do crontab -l it shows me the list
14:06<craig>but when I do crontab -e it says new file
14:07<kini>the last few lines say
14:07<kini>kernel: [ 62.084321] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: firmware: agent aborted loading iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode (not found?)
14:07<kini>kernel: [ 62.084357] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: no suitable firmware found!
14:07<kini>check-missing-firmware: /dev/.udev/firmware-missing does not exist, skipping
14:07<kini>check-missing-firmware: missing firmware files (iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode) for iwlwifi
14:07-!-kini was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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14:07<kini>whoops, sorry
14:07<kini>what's the paste limit?
14:07<craig>look 5 lines
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14:07<craig>looks
14:07<kini>I pasted 4...
14:08<kini>oh, and my explanatory message above it, that makes five I guess :)
14:08<craig>plus ur first line
14:08<kini>anyway, here: http://paste.debian.net/82937/
14:08<kini>anyway this looks like pretty normal output, and I don't see any error message about why check-missing-firmware (which I assume is the module of the installer responsible for the current stage) is not finding my firmware file
14:09<Brigo>kini: can you copy the firmware to the right place?
14:10<kini>if you tell me where that is, sure, but will check-missing-firmware notice that it is there and exit, or would I have to restart the whole installation process?
14:10<kini>and also surely copying it manually is not the intended manner of operation of the debian installer
14:11<kini>here's something interesting. In the dmesg-like output there are some interesting messages about `mount`
14:11<kini>main-menu[329]: (process:4917): mount: mounting /dev/sdb on /media failed: Device or resource busy
14:11<kini>first of all, shouldn't it be mounting sdb1 rather than sdb? and why is the device busy? Maybe this is the problem.
14:12<kini>Or maybe it is a "resource" which is busy?
14:12<Brigo>kini: sdb1, agree.
14:12<kini>like /media ?
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14:14<kini>well okay, I guess I see the problem
14:14<kini>the USB stick I inserted is /dev/sdc
14:14<kini>/dev/sdb is the installation media
14:15<kini>/dev/sda (which it is also trying to mount and failing) is some partition on my hard drive
14:16<kini>it is not, however, trying to mount /dev/sdc
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14:16<kini>or /dev/sdc1, which is what it really should be trying to mount
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14:20<kini>so... d-i bug? or am I doing something wrong?
14:21<kini>I guess I'll ask in #debian-boot
14:21<nodiscc>hi all, I'm trying to automate installing a Firefox addon for all users on a Debian box. Have tried unzipping the addon to /etc/iceweasel/profile/{extension-id} , as suggested in http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_extensions#Global_installation, but it doesn' get copied to the '~/.mozilla/firefox/48949849.blah' new profile directory when I create a new profile in FF/Iceweasel. Placing the .xpi directly in /etc/iceweasel/profile/
14:22<Brigo>kini: why dont you use a debian version with non-free?
14:22<valdyn>nodiscc: whats wrong with using the debian package management?
14:22<kini>first of all, those are unofficial ISOs
14:22<nodiscc>valdyn: addons I need are not packaged
14:23<kini>second of all, that's a workaround, not a fix or an explanation of anything I'm doing wrong :)
14:23<valdyn>nodiscc: of course not
14:23<nodiscc>addons from debian packages do not recieve updates from addons.mozilla.org
14:23<valdyn>nodiscc: and i meant whats wrong with *you* (the packager) using the package management?
14:24<craig>[ Error writing /tmp/crontab.Aae9gl/crontab: Permission denied ] anyone can help?
14:24<nodiscc>valdyn: packaging firefox addons is a mess, too complex, and I don't want to care about updating addons
14:24<nodiscc>they should update automatically from AMO
14:24<valdyn>nodiscc: i *really* doubt that its that complex
14:25<nodiscc>second point being more important
14:25<nodiscc>and packaging addons in deb packages doesn't allow that
14:25<valdyn>nodiscc: then you just have to put extensions in a proper place ( /etc/ is for configuration, nothing else )
14:26<nodiscc>valdyn: nope. Iceweasel profiles are copied from /etc/iceweasel/profile/
14:26<nodiscc>kinda like /etc/skel, but for Iceweasel
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14:27<valdyn>nodiscc: but /etc/skel only getrs
14:27<valdyn>nodiscc: but /etc/skel only gets copied once
14:28<Rudde>Why can I not choose Norwegian Keyboard leyout in debian install when I want to have it in english?
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14:28<nodiscc>/etc/iceweasel/profile/ gets copied at every new iceweasel profile creation
14:28<nodiscc>at first run if you prefer
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14:29<nodiscc>btw, everything else works, If I place some userscripts in /etc/iceweasel/profile/gm_scripts/, they get copied on profile creation
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14:31<Brigo>Rudde: It is the first thing you are asking for.
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14:31<Rudde>no?
14:32<Brigo>Rudde: arent you?
14:32<Rudde>what?`
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14:32<Brigo>asking for the keyboard layaout.
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14:33<Rudde>Yes I am, but it's not the first ting i've asked here
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14:35<miseria>"aquel que tiene el complejo de la envidia, sufre de persecucion, la defenza es maltratar al oponente de envidioso" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
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14:35<babilen>Rudde: I think that Brigo meant to say "It is the first thing you are being asked for" -- I think that you can choose the keyboard layout independently of the language selection in the expert installer (I haven't used anything but in ages), so you might want to give that a try
14:36<blast007>for me with the normal install it first prompted for the language, then the locale, and then the keyboard layout
14:36<Rudde>Region: I choose Norway, languages I choose english and when I then get to keybopartd leyout I can't choose norwegian
14:37<babilen>blast007: And you could choose *every* keyboard layout?
14:37<blast007>(and choosing "English" and "United States" for the first two questions still let me pick "Norwegian" for the keyboard)
14:37<blast007>yep
14:37<Rudde>No just different types of English
14:37<Rudde>UK, US, AU, South Africa etc...
14:38<blast007>Rudde: that sounds like the "Select your location" question
14:38<blast007>the keyboard selection is *after* that
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14:39<blast007>if it's not behaving that way for you, then could you provide us with more details? like: what options are you picking? what installer ISO are you using?
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14:41<babilen>blast007: I thought that you would have those options too, but I have only ever used the standard installer for a while (and didn't play much with languages when i was testing images before the release)
14:41<babilen>err, "expert installer" naturally
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14:46<ted20>Hello all!
14:47<abrotman>ted20: Please do not continue that conversation here.
14:47<siva21>hallo
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14:48<Rudde>AH okey thank blast007
14:48<Rudde>SO what kind of UI are you guys using for Debian?
14:49<trico>KDE
14:49<abrotman>!polls
14:49<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
14:49<abrotman>Rudde: you can use popcon.debian.org to fidn out
14:49<abrotman>find
14:49<Rudde>Customized or out of the box?
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14:49<ted20>abrotman: What you want?
14:50<abrotman>You to not continue that topic here ...
14:50<ted20>abrotman: &?
14:51<Rudde>Where can I find a nice debian sticker in good quality?
14:51<ted20>abrotman: My problem's closed, so I'm don't need help, understand?
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14:52<abrotman>ted20: how is your question related to Debian?
14:53<babilen>Rudde: https://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise
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14:54<ted20>abrotman: because i think that...
14:54<abrotman>ted20: how is your question related to Debian?
14:55<ted20>you will help me, but you prefer say fuck off...
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14:55<ted20>*sad
14:56<abrotman>I'm asking you to stay on-topic, something you've failed to do on Freenode.
14:57<ted20>I understand...
14:58<Rudde>Trying to install debian from USB here, asking me to mount CD, I already have the USB in?
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15:01<ted20>I don't want make flame, I'm not a troll, or other stupid man...
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15:03<centrx>ted20, Which e-mail server provider you should use is just totally unrelated to Debian, that's all.
15:03<centrx>service
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15:03<ted20>centrx: I know it
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15:04<ted20>centrx: but i thought that you understand others email providers
15:05<ted20>centrx: you know of course
15:05<centrx>ted20, If you wish to connect to an e-mail provider from Debian, make sure it allows access through POP or IMAP.
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15:06<ted20>centrx: I know about it
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15:06<ted20>centrx: I'm not a newbie ;)
15:07<guywithaquestion>Hi! My screen is shut down after ~10 minutes. Neither a screensaver or power manager is running. How can I make it stop? (Or at least don't do stuff while things are displayed in fullscreen)
15:07<ted20>centrx: I'm using linux distro from 12 years
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15:09<babilen>ted20: fwiw, If you'd like to discuss your original question then ask in #debian-offtopic :D
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15:11<ted20>babilen: I'm new star in your channel?
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15:12<ted20>babilen: If yes, this thanks, but I not join...
15:12<babilen>ted20: No, please stay on-topic in here (Debian support) and leave the rest in #debian-offtopic
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15:14<ted20>babilen: I understand, but I'm still banned in your channel?
15:15<centrx>ted20, Your ban on Freenode #debian was previously removed.
15:15<babilen>Lets move on please.
15:15<ted20>babilen: ok, no problem
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15:24<zykotick9>guywithaquestion: see if running "xset s off -dpms" corrects the problem
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15:25<guywithaquestion>zykotick9, thanks. Now we wait.
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15:26<rryoumaa>what would cause a computer to spontaneously reboot? my wheezy was non-responsive after not using it for a while, and after i rebooted, i noted that /var/log/boot.0 contains an earlier reboot that stopped at the first prompt.
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15:29<rryoumaa>(i use bootlogd to catch stuff dmesg doesn't)
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15:34<musca>rryoumaa: faulty power supply or faulty electrolytic capacitors are possible reasons for spontaneous reboots.
15:34<musca>also external failures of power
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15:35<blitzed>indeed musca, I run my main PC with the case open...I noticed on my last one that a capacitor was swelling, then it started to go wonky with reboots or freezing
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15:36<blitzed>it was so old I just let it die rather than replace the cap...it was my old intel dualcore...now I'm running my AMD dualcore into the ground hehe
15:38<musca>yes, good cooling does increase the lifetime of capacitors
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15:39<guywithaquestion>zykotick9, It's been 11 minutes, I think it worked. Thanks.
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15:40<rryoumaa>musca: the box has no reset button, only a power off button. but it still has a reboot feature?
15:40<zykotick9>guywithaquestion: glad to help.
15:41<zykotick9>guywithaquestion: keep in mind, you'll need to run that command each time you startup somehow. it's just temporary.
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15:43<musca>rryoumaa: i'm not talking about the clean linux reboot command, but about unstable behaviour of the hardware.
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15:46<rryoumaa>musca: i know. i don't know anything about hardware. didn't know if some hardware lacked reboot capability, but i guess it has to have it if the reboot command is goind to work. thanks.
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16:50<matanya>hello, after fresh install of 7.4 on a machine, no boot, not even grub
16:50<matanya>how can i troubleshoot this?
16:50<sney>more details?
16:50<matanya>a pc with software raid 5
16:51<matanya>worked fine before the reinstall
16:51<matanya>boot, and just a blinking _
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16:51<sney>is the system installed to the raid?
16:51<matanya>no, a boot drive
16:52<guywithaquestion>matanya, When I had that problem the only way to solve it was to remove all drives but one and install, then put the other ones back in
16:52<matanya>OH! found the issue. the order of the drives matters
16:52<matanya>now it boots
16:52<sney>!next
16:52<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
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16:52<matanya>thanks for the inpration guys :)
16:53<sney>np
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17:14<ted20>What it means, np? Noun phrase?
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17:16<Infiltrator>ted20: Usually people say "np" to mean "no problem", which is synonymous with "you're welcome". Also, questions like that should probably be taken to #debian-offtopic. (`/msg dpkg ot` for more information.)
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18:04<it>hola
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18:08<Kino32>Hola it
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18:25<rostam>Hi I have installed dhcp server on my system. By default when system reboots, the dhcp server is enabled, I like to change the default behavior for boot time. How could i do that? thx
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18:26<Brigo>rostam: with update-rc.d
18:26<Brigo>i am not sure about how exactly.
18:26<Brigo>update-rc.d [-n] name disable|enable [ S|2|3|4|5 ]
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18:29<wookey>anyone here understand acer One netbooks and wiki killswitch + wmi issues?
18:29<wookey>wifi used to work when it needed all sorts of faff as docmented on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne/AOA150
18:30<wookey>but with current wheezy it's broken on an AOA150
18:30<rostam>Brigo thank you
18:30<wookey>rfkill insists that the hardware block is on
18:30<wookey>switch has no effect
18:30<wookey>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/319825 suggests this is all about acer_wmi
18:30<wookey>overlaying the hardware
18:31<wookey>but with 3.2 kernel there is no acer_wmi modules to remove
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18:31<wookey>there is a wmi module. Anyone know if that's the 3.2 vintage of same thing?
18:31<Brigo>rostam: np
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18:32<SynrG>wookey: i think that's the generic wmi support, whereas acer_wmi would be layered on top of that for acer-specific things
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18:34<SynrG>wookey: also, maybe acer_wmi is already blacklisted? dunno
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18:34<wookey>OK. there doesn't seem to be an acer_wmi module to install either.
18:35<wookey>so maybe this is a different problem, but apparently related. _Something_ is jamming my hardware wifi killswitch on
18:35<SynrG>/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/platform/x86/acer-wmi.ko
18:35<wookey>ONce current download is finished I'll go back and try some older kernels
18:36<SynrG>there is definitely an acer-wmi module ...
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18:36<wookey>ah yes. OK. trying to install it gets me 'no such device'.
18:37<wookey>which may well be correct
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19:04<avonin>I've been trying to get my computer to ping 'localhost' for hours now and I'm going crazy.
19:04<avonin>Do anybody have any idea why my machine can't resolve localhost or the hostname, but the internet works just fine?
19:04<avonin>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=111836&p=530934#p530934
19:04<avonin>Those are all of my config files.
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19:06<themill>can you pastebin the contents of /etc/nsswitch.conf for us?
19:06<avonin>Certainly. One moment, please.
19:08<avonin>Here you go, themill, http://pastebin.com/2mHxeJJU
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19:09<themill>avonin: and what does "getent hosts localhost" say?
19:09<Arrowmaster>only thing i see thats different than my machine is that on mine the nameserver lines in resolv.conf are before the domain and search lines
19:10<avonin>"::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback"
19:10<avonin>and I now have new mail apparently
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19:13<themill>avonin: can you pastebin the output of "ip a" and "ip r"
19:14<avonin>Here you go, http://pastebin.com/xdbLVvY7
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19:15<SynrG> /win 19
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19:16<sney>lose 20
19:16<themill>avonin: so what does "ping -c3 127.0.0.1; ping -c3 localhost" do?
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19:17<avonin>http://pastebin.com/juuYh1s9
19:17<avonin>localhost never resolved before
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19:17<avonin>What changed?
19:17<themill>nothing that I can see
19:18<avonin>The problem.... fixed itself...
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19:18<avonin>Oh well, thank you so much for your help though. I really appreciate it.
19:18<themill>dpkg, fix sagan
19:18*dpkg takes sagan to the vet for a "special" visit.
19:21<avonin>haha
19:21<avonin>Take care
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19:26<Guest575>Please HELP. how can i boot windows 8.1 from grub command line. i deleted BCD info and windows boot manager cannot do anything. please help i dont find anything at google.
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19:27<Guest575>i dont have restore external media
19:27<Guest575>or another windows pc
19:27<Guest575>only this with linux
19:28<Guest575>and w8 please help me
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19:31<devil_>Guest575: try running os-prober
19:32<devil_>gotta run, it's late.
19:32<Guest575>the entry for windows is there but windows is looking for bcd info
19:32<devil_>no idea what bcd is
19:32<Guest575>an i accidentaly deleted
19:33<Guest575>it
19:33<SynrG>dual-boot debian & win8?
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19:34<Guest575>OMG i need to fix this in thenext hour!
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19:35<centrx>o...m...g
19:36<Guest575>yes synrg
19:36<SynrG>Guest575: and you tried os-prober and ... ?
19:36<SynrG>i don't know what "bcd info" is, sorry :/
19:37<Guest575>boot to windows boot manager an apear a message that bcd is no found
19:37<SynrG>so it sounds like grub has done its job ...
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19:38*SynrG shrugs
19:38<Guest575>bcd is like the entry menu that look the real loader of windows i think
19:39<Guest575>omg im gonna die...
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19:40<SynrG>Guest575: i.e. however you got there, it's now a windows problem to fix.
19:40<SynrG>perhaps you installed grub into the windows partition by mistake?
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19:41<Guest575>no is my problem to fix :(
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19:41<SynrG>i'm pretty sure you'll need recovery media to fix it.
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19:43<Guest575>SynrG grub cannot load winload it self without chainload to windows boot manager
19:43<Guest575>?
19:44<SynrG>i don't know. i have exactly zero dual-booted systems, myself.
19:44<SynrG>i was under that impression, though.
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19:46<Guest575>:(
19:46<Eco>Do you have a backup of win8 ?
19:46<Guest575>Nop
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19:47<Guest575>Cause i use linux
19:47<Guest575>my family use windows
19:47<Eco>put win8 in a virtual box.
19:47<Guest575>and i broke it
19:47<Eco>aha it's not your PC.
19:47<SynrG>although this is an ubuntu page, it may be some help:
19:47<SynrG>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootSectorFix
19:48<Guest575>ok i see it rigth now
19:48<SynrG>as i said, i think you'll need some recovery media
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19:51<Guest575>This is a vaio pc and dont came with dvds but windows restore media in a partition that doesnt serve at all
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19:51<Guest575>if you cannot boot into windows. its ridiculous
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19:52<SynrG>usb?
19:53<Guest575>2 usb 2.0 and 2 usb 3.0
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19:55<SynrG>so you could write debian live rescue to usb and boot from that
19:55<Guest575>yes
19:56<Guest575>please tell me more :)
19:56<SynrG>the url i dug up suggests using testdisk which is in debian, too. the procedure is basically the same.
19:56<SynrG>http://www.debian.org/CD/live
19:57<Guest575>Ok, I download it and...
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19:57<SynrG>make sure you know which device is the usb and copy to the whole device:
19:57<Guest575>Ok
19:57<SynrG>cp blahblah.iso /dev/sdc
19:57<Guest575>Ok
19:58<SynrG>it's a hybrid iso. it will boot fine from usb with no modification
19:58<Guest575>Ok
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20:04<Guest575>USB ready and then...
20:04<Disconsented>So I have a Realtek RTL8191SEvA but I am having trouble trying to hook into the wireless. However using the network manager I cannot find any networks
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20:05<SynrG>Guest575: boot from it, follow the instructions to use testdisk (probably already present on live rescue image) as per the link i dug up
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20:05<Guest575>SynrG can i read that page, please?
20:06<SynrG>lost the link? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootSectorFix
20:06<Guest575>What test disk does?
20:07<SynrG>partition scanner and disk recovery tool (so says the description ...)
20:08<Guest575>Ok. Im looking for it manual rigth now. Thank you very much.
20:08<Guest575>I have to run to fix this or im gonna die. Thanks, chatroom. :)
20:09<SynrG>good luck
20:09<SynrG>and don't rush it. be alert :)
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20:10<Guest575>SynrG, thank you. :)
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20:10<Guest575>Bye.
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20:12<Disconsented>So I have a Realtek RTL8191SEvA but I am having trouble trying to hook into the wireless. However using the network manager I cannot find any networks, any ideas on what I can do?
20:13<SynrG>lspci -nn | grep -i network
20:13<SynrG>i would like to know the pciid
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20:42<wookey>how do I choose which display manager is run at startup?
20:43<wookey>I want nodm, (and then xfce) but am getting (I presume gdm) and them gnome
20:43<wookey>I've installed nodm, update-alternatives x-session-manager
20:44<wookey>but am failing to find a display-manager choice/knob/setting
20:45<overjoyedpulp>wookey:
20:45<overjoyedpulp>wookey: sudo dpkg-reconfigure nodm
20:45<overjoyedpulp>(or gdm)
20:46<Arrowmaster>you can edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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20:46<overjoyedpulp>should bring up a curses screen
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20:48<wookey>sudo dpkg-reconfigure nodm offers me the same settings as in /etc/default/nodm
20:48<wookey>I've set those.
20:48<overjoyedpulp>wookey: try doing it with gdm
20:48<wookey>I evern tried replacing /etc/X11/xsession with startxfce4
20:48<wookey>'gdm is broken of not properly installed'
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20:49<wookey>(still insists on running though)
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20:52<overjoyedpulp>i don't know much about nodm so idk how much help i can really be...are you sure gdm is running? try ps ax | grep gdm and ps ax | grep nodm
20:53<wookey>a it's gdm3 not gdm these days
20:54<overjoyedpulp>try reconfiguring gdm3 and see what it says
20:55<wookey>it says nothing, just returns (I just did a reinstall to get passed the 'gdm is broken or not properly installed' whinge
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20:56<wookey>editing /etc/X11/default-display-manager looks promising...
20:56<overjoyedpulp>can i see /etc/default/nodm in a pastebin?
20:57<Disconsented>SynrG: 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvA Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8171] (rev 10) only just noticed your message
20:58<wookey>OK. I got nodm instead of gdm, but it still started effing gnome
20:58<overjoyedpulp>what do you have for NODM_XSESSION
20:59<overjoyedpulp>and NODM_XINIT
20:59<wookey>NODM_XSESSION=/etc/X11/Xsession
20:59<wookey>NODM_XINIT isnot set
21:01<wookey>and that standard session stuff _should pick up the session set in /etc/alterantives
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21:02<wookey>I've resorted to just putting startxfce4 in a .xsession file which _really_ ought to work
21:02<overjoyedpulp>and you set x-session-manager to /usr/bin/startxfce4
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21:02<wookey>but there should be s syatem-wide way of doing this
21:02<overjoyedpulp>using update-alternatives?
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21:04<wookey>I set it to /usr/bin/xfce4-session
21:04<overjoyedpulp>i run KDE and mine is set to /usr/bin/starkde
21:04<wookey>but in fact I see it's been set back to /usr/bin/gnome-session
21:04<overjoyedpulp>hmm peculiar
21:04<wookey>I bet that was when I reinstalled gdm3 (because it was broken)
21:05<wookey>bloody gnome people!
21:05<wookey>no I don;t want the session I just set changed back to _your_ favourite default just because I was fixing the display manager install
21:05<wookey>grumble
21:05<overjoyedpulp>do you want to get rid of gnome completely? if so I recommend debfoster
21:06<wookey>yeah I have a choice of startxfce4 or xfce4-session. not sure what the difference is in the context of update-alternatives
21:06<wookey>I could do, and that would stop it annoying me
21:06<wookey>but I was trying to leave it and just change defaults
21:07<overjoyedpulp>neither do i actually, but try startxfce4 before removing gnome maybe it will work
21:07<wookey>ah. actually I think I probaly forgot to sudo the alternatives change so it failed
21:07<wookey>rebooting again....
21:07<overjoyedpulp>that would do it
21:08<overjoyedpulp>fyi you can telinit 1 then telinit 2
21:08<overjoyedpulp>from a virtual terminal
21:08<overjoyedpulp>to avoid having to reboot to test this
21:08<wookey>which I guess is quicker
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21:09<twb>How does policykit decide was is an "active" user?
21:12<rjsalts>twb: tty use or something?
21:13<overjoyedpulp>wookey: is it working?
21:14<twb>I have an XFCE desktop the user logged into via xdm.
21:14<twb>In thunar, I click on the gvfs sidebar thing that has an eject icon, and I get "authorization denied".
21:14<twb>If I give all users all polkit rights:
21:14<twb># sed -i /allow_any/s/no/yes/ /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/*
21:14<twb>...then the eject icon works.
21:15<twb>From this, I guess that polkit doesn't believe the GUI user is an "active" user, but I'm still pulling up the polkit docs to find out exactly what that means.
21:15<twb>I suspect it means "the last person to trigger consolekit" or thereabouts, and that somehow /etc/pam.d/xdm isn't doing that tthe way they expect.
21:16<wookey>overjoyedpulp: kind of :-)
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21:16<twb>Oh, I did not have lxpolkit or policykit-1-gnome installed at the time, because I tried with them installed and it didn't help.
21:16<wookey>nodm is dropping me into a desktop without most of gnome running but I still get annoying pop-up 'type to search' box over everything
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21:16<wookey>and no actual xfce4 taskbar etc
21:17<wookey>I guess I should try 'start' instead of sessions
21:17<twb>wookey: do you have an ~/.Xsession or ~/.xinitrc?
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21:17<twb>nodm probably defaults to /etc/X11/Xsession which will try those, then /usr/bin/x-session-manager which is an update-alternatives file.
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21:18<wookey>twb: I did a .xsession when other options didn;t seem to be working
21:19<wookey>woo.I have an xfce4 desktop
21:19<wookey>but still with the gnome 'type to search' thing over the top. What _is_ that?
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21:19<twb>I don't know. Run xwininfo / xprop and click on it, then find out what app is reported to stdout
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21:20<twb>Or look at your process tree and uess
21:20<twb>*guess
21:20<wookey>yeah I can kill it with xkill -frame
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21:20<wookey>I can;t run anything in the desktop as it's stolen the keyboard and won;t go away
21:20<twb>wookey: yes, but if you know *what* it is then you can just uninstall it, or remove it from /etc/xdg/autostart, or whatever.
21:21<twb>Ah, then run xwininfo from the tty
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21:21<wookey>I htink it must be 'gnome-do'
21:22<twb>Ah, lxpolkit and policykit-1-gnome are needed if you want to do something and it has to pop up an authentication dialog box -- like gksudo does.
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21:23<wookey>right. OK. purged that. I should have a useablemachine now.
21:23<wookey>cheers for the pointers
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21:32<whmark>I'm having poor 3D performance in the current Debian stable. I have the proper drivers (nouveau) installed. Anyone know what could be the cause of this?
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21:37<twb>whmark: well the first thing to check is if you have X DRI package installed.
21:37<twb>xdriinfo | grep irect
21:39<whmark>Screen 0: not direct rendering capable.
21:39<whmark>
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21:40<twb>apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri
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21:41<whmark> libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version.
21:42<twb>Are you using xinerama?
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21:43<whmark>no, I don't believe so
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21:44<twb>I am out of ideas, sorry.
21:45<whmark>ok its not too important to me anyway. Whats strange to me is that it works fine on my Parabola install
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23:39<EDGAR>Hi guys. Do you know how to stop NetworkManager. I attempted it in CLI, it gave me error message reading FAILED!!Im using Centos 5.10
23:40<EDGAR>can you guys help?
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23:43<Nemoder>!centos
23:43<dpkg>CentOS (Community ENTerprise Operating System) is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. http://centos.org/ For IRC support, join #centos on irc.freenode.net.
23:44<EDGAR>SO im in the wrong area for this support?
23:44<Nemoder>correct
23:44<EDGAR>Thanks!!
23:45<EDGAR>trying to create my own network using static IP address!
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23:46<EDGAR>Anyway, later guys!!
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