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---Logopened Fri Feb 28 00:00:21 2014
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00:21<hiva>hi team :) i have a kvm-based virtual machin with 10G RAM, which jessie is installed on it. the mem is 9.8G most of the time and "free" command shows that 9.7G of mem is used by cached data!
00:22<hiva>"top" dont show any process which be using mem.
00:23<hiva>and i run command "echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" last night
00:23<znalo>sounds good
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00:23<hiva>but now, mem is full again!
00:23<znalo>if you're not using the mem for anything else, is there a problem?
00:24<znalo>isn't it there to be used?
00:24<hiva>its our developemet server.
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00:24<Infiltrator>hiva: Can you please paste the output of `free -h`?
00:24<hiva>just one day in week it is free
00:25<hiva>Infiltrator: yes. just a sec plz :)
00:25<hiva> total used free shared buffers cached
00:25<hiva>Mem: 9.8G 9.4G 400M 25M 87M 9.1G
00:25<hiva>-/+ buffers/cache: 215M 9.6G
00:25<hiva>Swap: 1.0G 0B 1.0G
00:25-!-hiva was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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00:26<Infiltrator>Hicks_: 9.6G free; there is no problem. :)
00:26<Infiltrator>Hicks_: Sorry.
00:26<Infiltrator>Oh, he was kicked, right.
00:26<znalo>hiva got booted :-)
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00:27<Infiltrator>!tell hiva -about pastebin
00:27<znalo>hiva: we got it, thanks
00:27<Infiltrator>hiva: Also, 9.6G free; you're fine. :)
00:27<hiva>Zaba: sorry for flooding :P
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00:28<marra>Hi everyone. I'm installing Debian on my PC and i'm wondering if i have to install Xorg o there is other x windows that i could use. Anyone can help me?
00:29<Infiltrator>hiva: This might help you: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
00:29<hiva>Infiltrator: but speed of server was so low before i droping cached data.
00:30<Infiltrator>hiva: Caching would make fs access faster (because it's cached and doesn't have to go all the way to disk).
00:30<hiva>Infiltrator: thanks. im digging in it :)
00:30<Infiltrator>I can't see any way that speed would have increased after dropping cache.
00:31<hiva>so, the speed problem is related to some thing else.
00:31<znalo>marra: xorg should be fine
00:31<hiva>Infiltrator: thanks :)
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00:34<Infiltrator>hiva: What else was happening around the same time?
00:35<hiva>Infiltrator:dunno. i should check. may be some one else was working on server too.
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00:38<nikil>there is a file on my system that is installed by a debian package- i'd like to remove it, and prevent future package upgrades from restoring it. how can i do that?
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00:39<marra>znalo: Do I have to install xorg or there is another way to install openbox without gnome and kde?
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00:49<themill>nikil: specifically which file?
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00:50<Agus>HOla
00:50<nikil>themill: /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmaps.conf
00:50<themill>nikil: just deleting it should do the right thing
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00:50<nikil>themill: upgrading fontconfig-config restored it
00:51<themill>deleting a config file is considered to be a local admin configuration change and is supposed to be preserved.
00:51<Agus>Hola
00:51<nikil>it's technically a symlink if that matters
00:51<Agus>Hello
00:51<themill>!es Agus
00:51<dpkg>Agus: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
00:52<nikil>but yeah, it's definitely getting restored. this has happened multiple times
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00:52<themill>nikil: well the file isn't actually in the package which means it's being moved around by maintainer scripts
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00:52<themill>(/etc/fonts/conf.avail/70-no-bitmaps.conf)
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00:53<nikil>ah, i see, the actual file must be /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/70-no-bitmaps.conf
00:53<themill>you might like to look at /etc/fonts/conf.d/README
00:54<nikil>so, is there a way to prevent the maintainer script from restoring it? or would i need to ask the maintainer about that
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00:55<nikil>i see, the README says you add/remove symlinks to adjust your installation. unfortunately, a package upgrade reverts those changes. handy.
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00:55<themill>what happens if you delete /etc/fonts/conf.avail/70-no-bitmaps.conf ?
00:56<themill>that file *is* in the package and so deleting it should be preserved by dpkg
00:56<nikil>that file doesn't exist, i would have to delete /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/70-no-bitmaps.conf
00:56<nikil>i'll try that?
00:56<themill>hmm.. which release of debian is this?
00:56<hiva>Infiltrator: if all the story of caching data, happens for mem, whats the solution? i mean my ram is being full periodically.and i cant find any process that be using it (except top ;) ) this is happening on one of my jenkins virtual machine. vm responds to even "ls" command with a big delay.
00:56<nikil>sid (sorry if i should be in debian-next asking this, didn't think it mattered)
00:56<themill>deleting files not in /etc is not going to be preserved across upgrades.
00:57<hiva>Infiltrator: system responds just after rebooting it
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00:57<nikil>i suppose that gets back to the original question if it's possible to delete a package file that is preserved across upgrades ;)
00:57<hiva>Infiltrator: how can i find process(s) that is eating my ram ?
00:57<themill>there's obviously a change between wheezy and sid here -- you might need to look at what the maintainer script is doing to understand what to do. You could always dpkg-divert the file in /usr to make it go away, but there should be a way of doing this through configuration alone
00:58<nikil>ok, i'll take a look at the script
00:58<hiva>Infiltrator: may it be related to virtual machin stuffs or not?
00:58<nikil>thanks so much for your help themill
00:59<Infiltrator>hiva: All that I really know is that memory used by cache is not a problem. Ask the channel about the slowness of the VM.
00:59<Infiltrator>!tell hiva -about smart questions
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01:02<hiva>Infiltrator: okay. thank you :)
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01:07<Infiltrator>hiva: Sorry that I cannot be of more help.
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01:08<hiva>Infiltrator: no problem. its okay. many thanks to you :)
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01:41<kanliot>just installed debian, but pulseaudio is messed up. i have to turn the volume all the way to max to hear anything, but when i do, it sounds horrible. pulseaudio worked fine before on ubuntu. any ideas? im using pavucontrol
01:43<centrx>kanliot, I am not very familiar wit pulseaudio, but maybe ALSA is still used underneath, and you need to max out the ALSA volume with "alsamixer" ?
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01:45<kanliot>yeah opened alsamixer and it gets even wierder. if i drag the application sink below 50% it's muted on alsamixer the master level. so messed up
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02:12<orbis>hey, how do I readout my wifi passwords which are saved on my system?
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02:14<centrx>orbis, In /etc/ somewhere for wicd or NetworkManager presumably
02:16<orbis>centrx, thanks I found it!
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02:16<centrx>Great
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04:34<katinux>Hi, anyone know GUI solution to connect to VPN using L2TP with shared secret? l2tp-ipsec-vpn and xl2tpd fails with protocol errors.
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04:45<katinux>kanliot: about audio. I guess shortest way is to enable BackPorts in apt and use newer BPO kernel
04:45<katinux>kanliot: about audio. I guess shortest way is to enable BackPorts in apt and use newer BPO kernel
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04:50<david89>Hello. I would like to setup logwatch on a server without a mail server. Does anyone have any advice? I believe I need to find a program or something that will connect to another smtp server, login and send logwatch's email
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04:53<jm_>david89: look at stuff like ssmtp or nullmailer
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04:57<jm_>I see logwatch also has mailer config option which could be used with something that doesn't need MTA either
04:57<locsmif>Hi all. How safe is btrfs to use right now? Are there any serious bugs I should be worrying about?
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05:01<tilo>hey my laptop does not suspend when I close the lid
05:01<tilo>however pm-suspend works flawlessly
05:01<tilo>could anyone help me?
05:01<tilo>it only turns off the screen
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05:12<SynrG>tilo: what model?
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05:12<tilo>macbook pro 7,1
05:12<SynrG>you might use acpi_listen to diagnose (i.e. see what acpi event is triggered)
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05:12<SynrG>then you could cobble together some custom acpi script to do it
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05:13<tilo>well events for lid close and open are fired
05:13<tilo>according to acpi_listen
05:13<SynrG>then it's a small matter of hooking it up under /etc/acpi
05:14<SynrG>but before going custom, do you have acpi-support installed?
05:14<tilo>yeah I do
05:14<tilo>and there are scripts already in place
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05:14<SynrG>any other actions already handled for your model?
05:14<SynrG>hmm
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05:14<SynrG>maybe the desktop inhibits it?
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05:14<SynrG>what DE or WM do you use?
05:14<tilo>maybe
05:14<arijanb>SDASDASDASDA
05:14<tilo>gnome3
05:14<tilo>3.8
05:14<arijanb>ASDASDADASSDSDAS
05:15<tilo>I was thinking the same
05:15<tilo>maybe gnome-power-manager interfers
05:15<SynrG>3.8 ... i think you want #debian-next :)
05:15<tilo>^
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05:15<tilo>I guess
05:15<SynrG>also, had i known, i could've told you that the state of suspend/hibernate in jessie is a bit broken right now
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05:15<fabijanb>ej
05:15<fabijanb>davoreee
05:15<tilo>I see
05:15<tilo>well that's a shame
05:15<fabijanb>stfu
05:15<fabijanb>stfu
05:16<GlobalniPenetrator>proba
05:16<fabijanb>test 1
05:16<GlobalniPenetrator>123
05:16<tilo>problem is I needed a newer kernel version because hfs support was broken in stable
05:16<tilo>which is why upgraded
05:16<GlobalniPenetrator>tilo suck it up
05:16<fabijanb>hahaha
05:16<arijanb><?php
05:16<arijanb>include "veza.php";
05:16<arijanb>$upit="INSERT INTO timovi VALUES (5, 'h', 'h', 'h');";
05:16<arijanb>$rezultatUpita=mysql_query($upit);
05:16<arijanb> include "kraj.php";
05:16<SynrG>!ops arijanb GlobalniPenetrator fabijanb
05:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: synrg complains about: arijanb GlobalniPenetrator fabijanb
05:16-!-arijanb was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
05:16<fabijanb>e
05:17<SynrG>play elsewhere, please
05:17<fabijanb>si tu davore?
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05:18<SynrG>tilo: take it to #debian-next? we can continue there ...
05:18<tilo>okay
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06:39<kanliot>i'm downloading debian-live-7.4-amd64-rescue.iso.torrent anyone know where instructions or documentation are for this cd?
06:40<jm_>what kind of instructions are you looking for?
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06:42<kanliot>jm_ im looking for things i can use it for and grub install instructions
06:43<jm_>kanliot: it's a live cd, you can use all the tools on it just like you would with debian installed; grub as in recovery? you don't need to install grub on it, it already includes boot loader since it's a live medium
06:43<jm_>or image instead of medium
06:44<kanliot>ok well i'm gonna try booting it so i will find out the hard way
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08:12<ColombianBootloader>Hey there...Can someone help me with a question in regards to samba
08:12<zathras>just ask
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08:14<babilen>ColombianBootloader: There is a #samba channel on irc.freenode.net though, but there is little we can do if you don't ask :)
08:14<ColombianBootloader>ok, well, I have been trying to configure samba 4.1.5. though I do not really think it is going well....
08:14<ColombianBootloader>I have ran smbd -V and I have no output
08:15<ColombianBootloader>I have done most of the install steps described on https://www.samba.org/samba/
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08:16<DannyButterman>Hi there
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08:17<jm_>ColombianBootloader: we can only help with debian samba packages, for source installs try the #samba channel mentioned above
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08:18<ColombianBootloader>ok, fair enough, I will try that channel mate.
08:18<DannyButterman>Does someone know how to auto mount differents external drives on the same mount point ? In my case there are two eSata Drives would need to be mounted on /mnt/esata, regardless of which one is plugged
08:19<jm_>just for the record, with debian package smbd -V works
08:20<babilen>ColombianBootloader: So installing samba from the repositories is another option
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08:24<DannyButterman>Different uuids on a single mountpoint, possible ? should be
08:24<DannyButterman>Can someone help me ?
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08:26<jm_>DannyButterman: with autofs it's possible for example
08:27<jm_>no idea if DE auto mount tools allow it
08:29<DannyButterman>jm_: thank you for listening to my whining ^^ How can I achieve this behavior ?
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08:30<jm_>DannyButterman: autofs can run a script to mount stuff so in there you can do whatever you want (it's used to echo what to mount, check /etc/auto.net as an example)
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08:43<Phuzzy>quick question... can rsync be made to respect tcpwrappers?
08:44<Phuzzy>rsync as a daemon i mean...
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10:20<javi>que pasa chavaleees
10:20<cris>eyyyy amijooo
10:20<javi>hola guapa
10:20<cris>hola nodiscc (L)
10:21<javi>ehhh
10:21<javi>me pongo celoso
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10:29<bootroot3>hey guy i have a little problem: XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /opt/firefox/libxul.so: libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Couldn't load XPCOM.
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10:30<petn-randall>bootroot3: What's the symptom of your problem?
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10:30<bootroot3>the firefox can't run
10:31<bootroot3>i setup the firefox into the system, but i can't work around this problem.
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10:33<blast007>bootroot3: why are you using Firefox intead of Iceweasel?
10:34<bootroot3>the iceweasel drove me crazy... the opera is working better than iceweasel
10:34<bootroot3>it is not firefox
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10:35<bootroot3>i want my firefox as i have on suse and gentoo
10:35<blast007>iceweasel is the same as firefox but with naming/branding changes
10:35<blast007>if the problem is that you want a newer version of iceweasel, then see http://mozilla.debian.net/
10:35<babilen>bootroot3: Well, then ask them for support. We provide perfectly working Icweasel packages and you can get new ones from http://mozilla.debian.net
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10:36<bootroot3>i removed the iceweasel
10:36<bootroot3>already
10:36<blast007>firefox is not supported here
10:36<babilen>bootroot3: Okay, fair enough. Please seek support for Firefox in a mozilla channel.
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10:37<bootroot3>any reason why firefox is support here blast007? babilen, what is the channel?
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11:27<bootroot3>i got working firefox again. :)
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11:30<petn-randall>bootroot3: Glad it worked out, we still don't support Firefox, though.
11:32<bootroot3>any reason why you (debian) have your own browser and not firefox petn-randall?
11:32<petn-randall>dpkg: tell bootroot3 about firefox
11:32<bootroot3>asking to study...
11:33<petn-randall>dpkg: tell bootroot3 about why iceweasel
11:34<petn-randall>bootroot3: check what dpkg sent you.
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11:35<bootroot3>i saw it now thanks petn-randall
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12:43<karra>hello all
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12:45<moro>Testing IRC commands...
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12:45<moro>hola
12:46<moro>Are you reading this?
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12:46<karra>hello
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12:47<SynrG>!ask
12:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:48<neo1691>Hello! When I start mplayer, I get a warning AO: [pulse] Init failed: Connection refused and then alsa is used. Can someone tell me what is the difference between alsa and pulse and which is better?
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12:50<oldlaptop>neo1691: pulseaudio (sometimes called "pulse") is an abstraction layer that sits on top of ALSA
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12:50<oldlaptop>it provides some advanced features, but has a reputation for causing technical issues
12:51<oldlaptop>(whether that reputation is deserved anymore is a topic of debate)
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12:54<karra>how to login as root in debian ?
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12:55<SynrG>neo1691: here's a concrete example: you're playing a video on your device with headphones. you get an audible alert (say, for a new email or other such thing that you want to be notified about). pulseaudio can auto-mute the movie so you can hear the alert.
12:56<mtn>karra: in a terminal: su Or, you can do ctrl+alt+F2 and log in as root.
12:56<karra>thanks a lot <mnt>
12:56<SynrG>that's an example only and perhaps not even a behaviour you care about. pulse gives you lots more than that. you could hit your favourite search engine to ask why pulseaudio for more. :)
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12:56<karra>sorry <mtn>
12:57<mtn>karra: you are welcome
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12:59<neo16911>SynrG: Thanks! That should be it!
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13:04<pavak>OK @Karra , I'm here :)
13:05<karra>he he :)
13:05<karra>come to private chat
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13:05<pavak>ok
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13:05<pavak>i think i should set up a irc for Oikyo Linux too ;) :p
13:05<karra>hahahhha
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13:14<SynrG>pavak, karra: this is a debian support channel. for offtopic/social chat, see #moocows (or as karra suggested, some other private chat)
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13:15<pavak>Sorry, I'm new. We moved to private chat :)
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13:16<karra>i'm too sorry SynrG
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13:17<SynrG>sure. everyone gets to be new once. :) have a nice day
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13:18<karra>same 2 you :)
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13:26<parramon>sds
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13:53<jeffrin>hello all
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13:56<parkej>habbo
13:56<parkej>hola
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13:57<parkej>a
13:57<babilen>parkej: Do you require help?
13:57<jeffrin>any mature free software games in debian ?
13:57<parkej>en español por fa
13:58<babilen>dpkg: es
13:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:00<parkej>que
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14:00<parkej>no tengo erores
14:00<parkej>a+
14:01<mju>jeffrin: Install/run goplay and choose. I personally like wesnoth.
14:01<babilen>parkej: Please, speak English in here or join the Spanish channel.
14:01<jeffrin>mju : anyway thanks
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14:02<Brigo>goplay ... interesting :-m
14:02<parkej>.--.
14:03<Brigo>parkej, /j #debian-es
14:03<centrx>!es
14:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:32<nikola>IDENTITY
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14:32<nikola>IDENTIFY
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15:17<Bublik2002>im having trouble with my wifi. i installed my firmware but its not coming up for some reason
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15:19<Brigo>Bublik2002, what about the logs?
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15:21<bernat_>SynrG: just posted about the Iceweasel bug: http://bernatarlandis.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/firefoxiceweasel-high-cpu-usage-when-idle
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15:21<Bublik2002>Brigo, which logs? im a little bit of a newb
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15:22<Brigo>Bublik2002, /var/log/kern.log
15:22<babilen>Bublik2002: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? How do you test if your wireless is working?
15:22<Brigo>can you paste it?
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15:23<Bublik2002>00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1049] (rev 03)
15:23<Bublik2002>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection [8086:4230] (rev 61)
15:24<SynrG>bernat_: yay!
15:24<Brigo>Bublik2002, please do not paste here.
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15:25<Bublik2002>sorry
15:25<SynrG>bernat_: will have to answer that on my blog to up the profile :)
15:25<Brigo>Bublik2002, paste in http://paste.debian.net/
15:25<Bublik2002>yeah i know better
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15:28<bernat_>SynrG: I rarely update the blog and I'm not a native English speaker, feel free to improve it :)
15:28<SynrG>no, i think you pretty much said it all
15:28<SynrG>all we're missing is a debian bug to xref it
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15:30<Bublik2002>Brigo, so what am i doing wrong? i followed the debian howto on iwlwifi
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15:33<Brigo>Bublik2002, i dont know may be if i could see your logs i could tell you something
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15:34<Bublik2002>that log you told me to paste is huge
15:34<Bublik2002>935 lines
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15:39<Brigo>dpkg tell Bublik2002 about pastebinit
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15:42<Bublik2002>root@debian:/home/ben# pastebinit /var/log/krn.log
15:42<Bublik2002>Unable to read from: /var/log/krn.log
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15:43<Bublik2002>i gotta be doing something wrong :(
15:45<Brigo>Bublik2002, yes, is /var/log/kern.log add an "e" :-)
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15:46<Bublik2002>http://paste.debian.net/84649/
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15:48<Brigo>Bublik2002: the firmware: iwl4965 0000:03:00.0: no suitable firmware found!
15:49<Brigo>Bublik2002, line 866
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15:50<Brigo>Bublik2002, you can install it from non-free debian repos if you like.
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15:55<Bublik2002>Brigo, i thought i did install it
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15:55<Brigo>Bublik2002, may be in wrong directory.
15:55<Bublik2002>apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
15:55<Bublik2002>thats the line i ran befor
15:55<Bublik2002>before*
15:55<Brigo>Bublik2002, with no errors?
15:55<babilen>Bublik2002: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi" ?
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15:55<Bublik2002>yes sec
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15:56<Brigo>Bublik2002, now you have how :-D
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15:56<Bublik2002>babilen, its telling me its unable to read apt-cache
15:57<babilen>Mind showing me that?
15:57<Bublik2002>oh i tried to pastebinit and it gave me that error
15:57<Bublik2002>sec
15:57<Bublik2002>paste.debian.net/download/84652
15:58<babilen>pastebinit is a horrible pice of code, but you are probbaly looking for "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi|pastbinit"
15:58<Bublik2002>babilen, ok i just did it manually
15:58<babilen>Bublik2002: Did you reboot after installing the firmware or did you reload the module?
15:58<Bublik2002>no i did modprobe
15:59<Bublik2002>modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi
15:59<Bublik2002>straight from the debain howto
15:59<babilen>What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? Mind pasting "modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi ; dmesg|tail -n42" too ?
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16:00<babilen>And don't give us the download link, I don't want to download it :)
16:00<balduin>hello, has everyone experience with archipel?
16:00<babilen>balduin: What is that?
16:01<babilen>judd: info archipel-core --release=sid
16:01<judd>Package archipel-core (python, optional) in sid/i386: Virtual Machine Orchestration (Core). Version: 0.6.0-1; Size: 35.9k; Installed: 197k; Homepage: http://archipelproject.org/
16:01<babilen>balduin: that ^^ ?
16:01<balduin>yes, exactly that
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16:02<Bublik2002>babilen, paste.debian.net/download/84653
16:03<babilen>no download!
16:03<Bublik2002>?
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16:04<babilen>balduin: I am sure that someone has experience with it. Do you? Do you require Debian related help?
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16:04<babilen>Bublik2002: I don't want the download link .. I would end up with hundreds of downloaded pastes at the end of the day :)
16:05<Bublik2002>paste.debian.net/84653
16:05<Bublik2002>sorry
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16:05<babilen>Bublik2002: It's okay, I removed it manually and added http:// to it
16:05<Bublik2002>lol you're the man as usual
16:05<babilen>Let's take a look
16:06<Brigo>babilen the driver are runing, my fail :-/
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16:07<Brigo>Bublik2002, did you see anything if you exec cat /proc/net/wireless
16:07<babilen>Bublik2002: That looks about alright, how do you test if it is working? What does "iwconfig" or "ip set link wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" give you?
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16:08<Bublik2002>ip set doesnt work
16:08<Bublik2002>iwconfig lists lo and eth0 no wlan0
16:08<babilen>Bublik2002: Wait, don't you want the iwl4965 module for that?
16:09<babilen>Bublik2002: As in https://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy
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16:09<Bublik2002>iwlist wlan0 scan says interface doesnt support scanning
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16:10<Brigo>Bublik2002, cat /proc/net/wireless
16:10<Maulkin>Bublik2002: Anything happen with "ifconfig wlan0 up" ?
16:11<babilen>Bublik2002: Please run "modprobe -r iwl3945 iwl4965 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl4965 ; dmesg|tail -n42" and show us that and then try the two commands I mentioned earlier again.
16:11<Bublik2002>Brigo, paste.debian.net/84655
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16:11<balduin>babilen: yes, maybe someone have installed archipel with debian from the debian packages. Because on the official archipel project website is no debian specific how to
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16:12<Brigo>babilen, so the driver do not support the card?
16:12<Bublik2002>babilen, paste.debian.net/84656
16:12<babilen>balduin: archipel has only been packaged in jessie (testing) and sid, but you *might* be able to backport those packages (archipel-core) by following "/msg dpkg ssb"
16:12<babilen>Brigo: Not the iwlwifi module, no
16:12<Brigo>Bublik2002, cat /proc/net/wireless again
16:12<Bublik2002>ok my wireless jsut went up
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16:13<Bublik2002>after doing ifconfig wlan0 up
16:13<Bublik2002>i dont understand why it wasnt working before
16:13<Brigo>babilen, and then why is ti loaded?
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16:13<Brigo>Bublik2002, the iwl driver dont support this card
16:13<babilen>Bublik2002: Because you reloaded the wrong module and the firmware never got loaded. And use ip in lieu of ifconfig
16:13<balduin>babilen: I use jessie testing ;-)
16:14<babilen>balduin: Well, in that case: Ask in #debian-next and install it with "apt-get install archipel-core"
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16:14<us`0gb>The default settings of Debian 7.4's Midori have a bug. The user agent string is set to identify the system as OS X!
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16:15<babilen>us`0gb: Has it been fixed in a newer version? Has that bug been reported?
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16:15<us`0gb>babilen: I don't know. How do I find out?
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16:16<babilen>us`0gb: Check on http://bugs.debian.org (for the latter) use google with "site:bugs.debian.org ....", try a newer version, check it's source code, ... many ways
16:16<babilen>judd: v midori
16:16<judd>Package: midori on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.4-3; sid: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1
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16:17<babilen>Well, it's the same version so it probably didn't change. Just check the http://bugs.debian.org -- I wasn't aware that people still use midori.
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16:17<Bublik20022>its working thanks guys
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16:18<Bublik20022>i dont know what fixed it but ifconfig wlan0 up worked this time
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16:18<babilen>Bublik2002: I already told you, you simply reloaded the wrong module and the firmware was therefore never loaded
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16:19<Brigo>Bublik2002, the command line "modprobe -r iwl3945 iwl4965 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl4965" unload the wrong kernel and load the correct one.
16:19<babilen>Bublik2002: And use "ip link set $INTERFACE up" rather than "ifconfig $INTERFACE up"
16:19<babilen>Bublik2002: You reloaded the iwlwifi module which is not the same as iwl4965 which you need for that card.
16:20<Brigo>babilen, and why ip link and no ifconfig?
16:21<babilen>Brigo: One second, I'll get you a good link for that.
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16:22<babilen>Brigo: http://techblog.rosedu.org/ifconfig-vs-iproute.html
16:22<Brigo>babilen, thanks :-)
16:23<us`0gb>The bug doesn't seem to be listed. I'll report it.
16:23<babilen>Brigo: Wait, that wasn't the one I was thinking of ..
16:23<us`0gb>I still use Midori because it's the closest thing I can find to a decent web browser these days.
16:24<us`0gb>They all seem to have major issues.
16:24<babilen>Brigo: ifconfig is buggy and iproute2 is essentially a replacement for a bunch of commands (route, arp, ...) -- google for "ifconfig iproute2" and you should find plenty of discussions. I didn't investigate too closely, but simply started to use iproute2 some time ago.
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16:25<Brigo>babilen, ok.
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16:27<babilen>Brigo: Can't find the article I am thinking of (nice technical write-up of the shortcomings of ifconfig), sorry
16:27<Brigo>babilen, dont worry, it's ok, thanks a lot :)
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16:34<Bublik2002>babilen, its weird how i have to do something different every time a i do a clean install
16:34<Bublik2002>other times simply loading iwlwifi was fine
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16:34<babilen>Bublik2002: Impossibru! Are you installing the same version?
16:35<Bublik2002>yeah wheezy
16:35<Bublik2002>seems like i have to do a different procedure every time
16:36<Bublik2002>on the plus side gnome 3 is working really well with some extensions.. i dont understand why it gets so much hate
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16:37<Bublik2002>i gotta stop distro hopping... this gets stressful :)
16:38<us`0gb>Okay, it seems it's not an issue in Debian's default Midori config, but an issue in older versions of Midori. So when Debian moves to the newer version it will be fixed.
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16:40<Bublik2002>babilen, do you run stable or testing?
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16:41<babilen>Bublik2002: I am tracking unstable as I like that setup for development on Debian. I don't consider testing (alone) a viable choice at this point in the release cycle btw, but rather something like "/msg dpkg tum" (due to no security support, package removals, ...)
16:42<Bublik2002>ok stable it is
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16:44<Bublik2002>babilen, you ever setup a linux pvr? with tvheadend and xbmc
16:45<babilen>Bublik2002: Years ago, but I am sure that if you were to do it that a whole world of awesomeness would await you.
16:45<Bublik2002>lol
16:46<Bublik2002>im just wondering whether i should give it a shot or just keep my windows box running my pvr and all my tvs
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16:47<babilen>Bublik2002: If you are interested in trying in it then, by all means, give it a try! You can install XBMC 2.12 from wheezy-backports (/msg dpkg backports) if you'd like that
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16:47<Bublik2002>im scurred
16:48<Bublik2002>plus i keep reading conflicting things on whether it actually works better than the windows media center setup
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16:49<babilen>To begin with: It probably isn't proprietary, but it really is up to you. I was happy with XBMC many years ago (6? 7?) and I am sure it improved a lot in the meanwhile.
16:49<Hicks>Don't know about the TV side, but the rest of XBMC works really well
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16:51<Bublik2002>maybe i can install wheezy alongside windows 8 and give it a shot to see if i can set it up
16:51<Bublik2002>problem is i wont be able to use my xbox 360's anymore to watch live tv
16:52<Bublik2002>id have to get raspberry pi i think
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16:54<Hicks>raspbmc works quite nicely on the pi. Although I didn't run it for too long, mainly just to play around
16:54<Bublik2002>i wonder how well it works for live hd tv
16:54<Bublik2002>cause the xbox 360's work really wel
16:54<Bublik2002>well*
16:55<Hicks>I've never tried the TV part of xbmc.
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16:55<babilen>Bublik2002: Would you mind taking this to #debian-offtopic? It simply isn't a real support issue, but a general "what would be a fun project?" type discussion.
16:56<Bublik2002>thats the only part i really use.. i have a ceton infinitv 4 so it can record 4 channels at once and i dont have to rent any dvrs from the cable company
16:56<Bublik2002>ok ill stop sorry
16:56*babilen used a tv receiver with XBMC and it was fine
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16:56<balduin>I have a problem with libvirt under debian testing: error: Failed to connect socket to /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock No such file or directory knows anybody a solution?
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16:57<Maulkin>balduin: Hi there - can you ask in #debian-next please?
16:57<Bublik2002>babilen, heres a support issue... do i have to do something special to install wheezy alongside windows 8.. something about efi or something
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16:58<balduin>Maulkin: thanks
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17:08<derric>Why does debian put intltoolize in /usr/share/intltool-debian instead of /usr/bin, and should there be a link in /usr/bin for each of the binaries in /usr/share/intltool-debian
17:08<derric>?
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17:23<pajaro>I added my ca.crt to /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and runned update-ca-certificates and it added it... but iceweasel doesnt recognize it yet
17:24<pajaro>do i have to manually add it to iceweasel?
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17:29<pajaro>okay #405446 basically i have to add it to iceweasel
17:29<pajaro>:(
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17:49<wallzero>Greetings. Is there a way I can download old .deb packages from the repository? I would like to install kernel 3.11.
17:49<sney>!snapshot
17:49<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
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17:50<wallzero>sney: I am learning everyday. Thanks. :-)
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17:50<sney>np
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18:25<iLogicalus>How can I have the package dvdrip in jessie?
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18:32<Maulkin>iLogicalus: Try €debian-next
18:33<Maulkin>#debian-next even
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18:34<iLogicalus>ty
18:35<balduin>how can i use virt-manager on debian my xen is running but virt-manager says with non superuser rights permission denied and with no D-Bus connection
18:36<Maulkin>balduin: Again, over to #debian-next for non-stable questions please
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18:37<balduin>Maulkin: no, now i use the stabel wheezy
18:37<Maulkin>balduin: Ok, can you use sudo for that?
18:38<balduin>yes, but the problem is than that virt-manager say their is no D-Bus
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18:40<oldlaptop>balduin: if there isn't someone in here who knows libvirt stuff, dpkg says there's a #virt on this network
18:40<balduin>Maulkin: sorry, your right it's easy only use sudo but not su
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18:40<oldlaptop>oh, yes
18:41<oldlaptop>a su-ed shell will *not* have X environment variables and such set up
18:41<Marillion>balduin: is your system a plain wheezy?
18:41<oldlaptop>if there's a "root terminal" menu item, that should work
18:42<oldlaptop>there are *also* a few wrappers around su that preserve X stuff
18:42<oldlaptop>don't think they're packaged in debian though
18:42<oldlaptop>I think xdg-su is one?
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18:43<Marillion>balduin: you are in the group and you have relogin that?
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18:44<oldlaptop>https://github.com/tarakbumba/xdg-su
18:44<balduin>Marillion: yes i use a plain wheezy with Gnome Shell
18:45<Marillion>balduin: i'm too, and i have never errors of that
18:45<balduin>Marillion: after using sudo instead of su it works :-)
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18:45<balduin>Marillion: thanks again
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18:46<Marillion>i'm in the right group (id say it) and you can start with user
18:46<Marillion>» Übersetzung(en) tabellarisch anzeigen | immer
18:46<Marillion>» Übersetzungen mit gleichem Wortanfang
18:47<Marillion>unprivilegedsorry
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18:47<Marillion>i'm in the right group (id say it) and you can start with unprivileged user
18:48<Marillion>i sue leo.org for the right writing :)
18:48<Marillion>s/sue/use
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18:50<Marillion>balduin: you would like to add your user in this group - 118(libvirt)
18:51<Marillion>you don't need sudo or su or something else
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18:52<balduin>Marillion: thanks again :-)
18:52<Marillion>no problem
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19:31<Tom__>I'm having trouble with adding a VPN in Network Manager. I switched to LXDE (but didn't try it before in Gnome), and have installed network-manager-openvpn in apt, so I should have the dependencies. I also made sure I was in the netdev group, following instructions here. But it's greyed out still. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=73756
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19:35<monoglets>Tom__ you dont even need graphical environment to config openvpn
19:35<Tom__>monoglets: I know, but I'd rather have it there so I can do it without the keyboard mostly
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19:36<Tom__>I guess what's frustrating is it worked in Ubuntu following the same steps, but I'd rather not use Ubuntu
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19:37<monoglets>it's bullshit just have an icon to click and connect, what's useful is what works fine
19:38<monoglets>if you want shorcut just do it or create an script
19:38<monoglets>and most of times there are problems with network manager including on gnome
19:39<Tom__>it is truly the year of desktop linux
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19:51<Tom__>end result, I got annoyed and typed sudo apt-get install network-manager*. It shows the add button now
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19:53<SynrG>bernat: http://syn.theti.ca/2014/02/28/invisible-css-animations-on-iceweasel-consuming-cpu/
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20:01<fsck_systemd>4 people decided we will all use systemd now
20:01<fsck_systemd>whatever the tech-ctte says we must do, if they say change to a new operating system we must do it, unless a GR "overrides" their decision
20:02<fsck_systemd>the tech-ctte was created to arbitrate and decide disputes between package maintainers. It was not created to decide fundamental issues about the OS
20:02<fsck_systemd>it is a bad-faith aquisition of power here that has occured. The debian tech-ctte should be disbanded for that reason
20:03<vicente>Hola, como se usa esto.
20:03<fsck_systemd>please hold a general resolution
20:03<fsck_systemd>hi vicente
20:03<fsck_systemd>unless you're all afraid to even propose a GR
20:03<vicente>hola
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20:04<fsck_systemd>seems people get banned for even speaking against systemd, just like in arch linux a year ago
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20:04<caravel>hola vicente, no paga atencion ^^
20:04<caravel>!es
20:04<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:04<fsck_systemd>it also appears that the systemd techctte people are payed by redhat, or the companies they work for are.
20:04<vicente>bueno voy a seguir las indicaciones para que este en español
20:05<caravel>sip :) bienvenido vicente
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20:06<vicente>Me parece interesante esto, veré si puedo
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20:07<vicente>caravel, podés español
20:07<caravel>solo entra "/join #debian-es[ENTER]" donde escribes
20:07<caravel>asi cambiara de canañ
20:07<caravel>cambiaras* de canal*
20:07<vicente>ahorita lo hago
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20:08<SynrG>caravel, vicente, hey. english here, please.
20:08<caravel>yeah, I'm trying to help him switch to !es :)
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20:08<SynrG>k, but if you need to speak to him in spanish, priv msg
20:09<caravel>k - I personally advice against using PMs, especially novices (to protect them)
20:09<caravel>anyway
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20:10<SynrG>k. usually these things wrap up in a few lines. it only tweaked me because it went on for over a page
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20:11*caravel counts... 8 lines + the !es... but the spam was in btw, true :)
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20:11<caravel>anyway, good night
20:12<pett0un>hi there !
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20:13<pett0un>may some of you guys assist me out here please
20:13<pett0un>i keep getting this error
20:13<pett0un>Error: Got channel -1, expected a value > 0.
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20:18<sney>pett0un: we're going to need a lot more context than that
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20:19<pett0un>i am under Debian 7
20:19<pett0un>Linux TheBlacklist 3.13.4-grsec
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20:20<pett0un>Intel 1000 iwlwifi
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20:21<sney>did you build that kernel yourself? did your wifi work before you did that?
20:22<pett0un>no
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20:22<sney>no to which question
20:22<pett0un>even before that it wasn't working
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20:22<sney>ok. did you install firmware-iwlwifi?
20:23<pett0un>i think i did it
20:23<pett0un>a week ago or so
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20:24<sney>and where do you see this error, what command are you running? are there any other errors farther up? if you have a few lines, paste it to http://paste.debian.net/ and link
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20:25<pett0un>well the error appear when i try to use airbase-ng
20:25<pett0un>also when i use airodump-ng my card get stuck at channel -1
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20:34<pett0un>http://paste.debian.net/84685/
20:35<pett0un>here is the second one
20:35<pett0un>http://paste.debian.net/84687/
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20:42<sney>pett0un: does regular wifi networking work? maybe your adapter doesn't support what you're trying to do
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20:43<pett0un>yea it works
20:43<pett0un>my adapter ofcourse support it
20:43<pett0un>i tried it with another distro such as backtrack 5r3
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20:44<pett0un>apparently it is the kernel that does not support it
20:44<MMavipc>Ever since I upgraded to jessie, wlan0 has been softblocked on boot. What's an easy way to run "rfkill unblock all" on boot, before hostapd tries to start?
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20:46<pett0un>sney: i tried it with another distro such as backtrack 5r3
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20:46<BackTrack>I get highlighted every time you write that lol
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20:47<sney>pett0un: I see and I see you said the kernel is the problem, so you now know more about that particular issue than I do
20:48<pett0un>is there a way to downgrade a kernel ?
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21:06<sney>pett0un: you can install whatever kernels you want with dpkg -i as long as they are packaged
21:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 663] by debhelper
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21:11<marrub>er, I'm having trouble deciding on what partition option to use
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21:12<marrub>I'm dualbooting it with windoze
21:13<marrub>should i . just use manual?
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21:31<derric>I can I install automake 1.11 in wheezy, I seem to have automake 1.9 presently installed.
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21:39<derric>Strange, apt-get update left automake 1.9 in place; apt-get install automake upgraded automake to 1.11.
21:40<centrx>apt-get update only updates the listing of packages from sources
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22:06<oldlaptop>derric: to actually upgrade all packages on the system you want (for security updates in stable apt-get safe-upgrade
22:06<oldlaptop>er, stable)
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22:06<oldlaptop>or aptitude safe-upgrade
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22:07<oldlaptop>dist-upgrade is used on testing systems, and to upgrade from one stable to another
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22:35<blink_>is only available from another source when installing lirc-modules-source on debian 7.4; is this entirely obsolete now?
22:36<blink_>can't compile streamzap module in debian way
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22:40<miguel>,,holaaaa
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22:40<miguel>hola como estas?
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22:57<gsimmons>blink_: That package is obsolete; lirc_streamzap was ported to the ir-core subsystem in Linux 2.6.36, the kernel module ("streamzap") should already be present on your system.
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23:05<Flachburst>test
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23:25<elf>hello
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23:27<Guest1787>anybody knows how i can open term with a keyboard shortcut ?
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23:30<Guest1787>anybody knows how i can open term with a keyboard shortcut ?
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---Logclosed Sat Mar 01 00:00:26 2014