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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-03-02

---Logopened Sun Mar 02 00:00:31 2014
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00:01<db3>It is still going. Debian seems very solid and has good performance on this 12 year old computer. I hope to use it, but cannot use gnomes interfact. I need something more similar to windows xp so that once I learn it, I can get others to make the switch as well
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00:03<themill>hardware like that could easily struggle on environments like kde and gnome.
00:04<db3>It is running much better than it was on Linux Mint. Pentium 4 2.5?? ghz 3 gb ram
00:04<db3>oops, 2 gb ram
00:05<themill>I've run recent kde on that sort of hardware before and it's ok. Not brilliant but not dreadful
00:05<db3>I am happy with the performance, easily good enough to use the computer
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00:09<db3>The screen background, fonts, performance all look very good. Impressed. Ok install finished. Do I restart to activate KDE?
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00:10<db3>so far this look exactly the same unless it is not actived yet
00:10<themill>you'd probably want to log out and log back in at the very least. (You'll probably need to select "KDE" as your session type at the login screen)
00:11<db3>Will do thanks
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00:18<db3>KDE Plasma going. Better. I just put a bunch of icons on the desktop. I started with Mint. Debians seems like it is of better quality. More information is available and my old PC is performing almost like new. Nice work
00:19<db3>The Kinfocenter is nice, good data all in one place there
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00:19<db3>I am not finding the CPU temperature yet. Mint did not have that. I need to find out of this PC is overheating or not
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00:26<db3>Thx again for the help, great distro
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02:03<kodejunke>Hey guys I'm going to set up a small linux box just for learning and ssh for irssi and just small stuff. Do you think debian would be the way to go or should I use another distro for that?
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02:08<Lucarios>kodejunke: Debian has a small netinst version, that only has the needed things installed. With that you can just download the things you need and you wont need much space.
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03:25<arand__>I'd trying to make a resetting guest account, without limiting the space by tmpfs, is it a sane solution to simply add "rm -rf ~guest/* ~guest/.*; cp /etc/skel/.* ~guest" to /etc/gdm3/PostSession/Default?
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04:29<myo>hi guys
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04:29<hybrd7>ola
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04:36<myo>ola
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05:55<artifex93>Hey guys, I've been working on creating a debian distro for my college. I've pretty much made a live cd using debootstrap and mate as desktop environment. I was wondering how I'd convert the live cd to an install cd. I've been searching the web now for a few days I'm not really sure I understand what to do. This was the guide I followed to create the live cd "http://willhaley.com/blog/create-a-custom-debian-live-environment/"
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05:56<fasmos2>Hello!!
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05:56<artifex93>Hi!
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05:57<ompaul>!tell artifex93 about livecd
05:57<ompaul>artifex93: you can msg the bot with /msg dpkg livecd
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05:58<artifex93>ompaul: Thanks! Will do.
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05:58<ompaul>artifex93: for the moment just use the message
05:58<ompaul>:)
05:59<artifex93>XD
06:01<artifex93>Well, I guess I should've also added that, I, in my stupidity, thought it would be easy to convert a live cd into an install cd.
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06:03<Brigo>artifex93, you can copy the livecd into cd computer disk and make it bootable, but the install cd have a partition manager and so.
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06:04<Brigo> into computer dis
06:04<Brigo> into computer disk* :-)
06:08<artifex93>Brigo, I'm not really sure if I understand what you said. I'll come back after doing some digging . Cheers!
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06:09<Brigo>artifex93, well my english is terrible, i know :), may ber tha's the problem.
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06:17<artifex93>Brigo, Nah not really, I don't really know squat shit about creating a distro or anything related to it. I just started this past week so I'm pretty much a noob. No worries about your english, I understood what you said, I just didn't understand how the partition manager etc would tie in to my livecd and help in installing it etc. Anyway like I said, I need to read more. I'm just here to look for the general direction in which I need to move forward.
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06:23<Brigo>artifex93, install manager can help you if you want install in severals partition, or if you want to encrypt it, or install in a system with a windows installed, for example.
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06:31<lin>这个是什么
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06:59<easy>what is Xchart used for?
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07:53<Infiltrator>What's with all the hash sum mismatches on ftp.au.debian.org for wheezy-backports? Been happening for a few weeks now, I think.
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07:55<themill>sounds standard for ftp.au
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07:56<themill>Infiltrator: which architecture? which files in particular?
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08:24<fasmos>hello
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08:25<musca>hello fasmos
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08:35<Serenity0>hi everyone
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08:37<Serenity0>um, I opened a terminal and then switched to browser and was surfing the net, then I switched to terminal and I saw this: http://pastebin.com/KCi8DHaj
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08:37<Serenity0>before that I did this: http://www.blackmoreops.com/2013/11/19/how-to-fix-warning-gnome-keyring-error/
08:38<Serenity0>i'm using 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux
08:38<petn-randall>Serenity0: check /var/log/kern.log for a full backtrace.
08:38<petn-randall>Serenity0: It seems to be missing quite a bit.
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08:42<Serenity0>is it safe to share it here petn-randall ?
08:43<Serenity0>I posted it on pastebin
08:45<Serenity0>well here is the kern.log output: http://pastebin.com/w8W3AmLK
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08:53<Serenity0>anyone?
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09:10<Brigo>Serenity0, it looks like a kernel bug. Are you using a VM?
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09:14<Serenity0>Brigo, no virtual machine, using debian 7.4 with xfce
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09:15<Serenity0>I described it here again if anyone wants to take a look: http://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/1zcgjp/message_from_syslogd/
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09:15<Serenity0>btw, this has never happened to me before
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09:18<Brigo>Serenity0, try to revert the change and check again.
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09:23<Serenity0>Brigo, ok
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09:45<blink_>hmmm, anybody else here use the zfsonlinux repo? mount -a doesn't seem to zfs auto mount
09:45<blink_>*not a debian problem*
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09:49<stat>Hi guys, how to set up full disk encryption on several disks (using the same key) without having to enter it several times at startup?
09:50<SynrG>blink_: certainly with no conduit file or error output nobody can help, in any case
09:50<SynrG>config* file
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09:55<SynrG>blink_: try #zfsonlinux @ chat.freenode.net
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10:16<mc68040>blink_: you installed zfs-initramfs? you modified /etc/default/zfs?
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10:20<Parra>WHO
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10:21<Parra>WHO *.fi
10:21<Parra>WHO Air
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10:27<blink_>mc68040: didn't know about the /etc/default/zfs, came from by way of fbsd, then kfbsd debian. thank you kindly.
10:30<blink_>I don't think I have the zfs-initramfs though; is that required if rootfs is non-zfs?
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10:33<mc68040>blink_: AFAIK zfs-initramfs takes care of importing pools at startup
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12:04<Dizzy87>Hello :)
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12:11<Lucarios>Hello.
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13:15<richard>?
13:17<abrotman>?
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13:31<edrisse_>Hello, world !
13:31<admin-adler>hello word
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13:47<doug>Is there an Activesync program available for linux?
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13:57<Andrometh>Hi !list
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14:12<neo1691>Anyone uses youCompleteMe plugin for vim/vim-nox?
14:12<neo1691>I wanted to know have you compiled the latest version of vim for the plugin?
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14:25<francismb>is there a Debian support for jessie?
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14:26<Lucarios>francismb: #debian-next
14:26<Hicks>#debian-next
14:26<francismb>thanks
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14:26<Lucarios>:)
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14:43<bluenemo>hi guys. i have to explain rrdtools to a customer tomorrow. i've preped examples that, among others, monitor the cpu frequency and the temperature of cpu and hdd. sadly for my presentation i will only get a vm now m( what else can i monitor in a vm? i just need "data" that is "comparable" (like 4 cpus). so far i came up with amount of randomness available for example.. but i need more. any ideas? :)
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15:29<Djon_>Hello, I just installed a quick website using a free CMS without database on Debian with lighttpd, so all the .htaccess rules are useless. I wondered, if I want to deny access to certain directories (config and admin), should it be done with lighttpd.conf or via chmod on these folders?
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15:35<sney>Djon_: lighttpd.conf, unix permissions are not really reliable in that regard
15:36<Djon_>ok I thought so too, is there a way to allow certain directories or do I need to deny all of the others?
15:37<sney>read lighttpd docs for that, I haven't configured it in years so I don't remember
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15:39<Djon_>I'm browsing it at the moment, thanks for the help!
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16:17<linuxator>'warning:bad format on line 25 of /etc/fstab' what's wrong?
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16:18<centrx>linuxator, Look at line 25 of /etc/fstab to find out...
16:19<centrx>linuxator, Seriously, it tells you right there
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16:19<Goofy>linuxator: check the syntax of that line (missing fields, misplaced/missing comma's, ...)
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16:20<webgen>hey guys
16:21<webgen>do you have idea how to share folder from virtual box deb to windows ?
16:21<oldlaptop>consult VirtualBox documentation on shared folders
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16:21<oldlaptop>you'll need the guest additions installed on the guest system
16:22<webgen>I did install it, do I need to restart VM?
16:22<oldlaptop>(alternatively you could use some form of network filesystem - samba maybe?)
16:22<oldlaptop>webgen: probably :)
16:22<webgen>and I did reboot too
16:22<linuxator>centrx, ,Goofy, here , http://dpaste.com/1679331/
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16:23<webgen>oldlaptop ok thanks I ll try tinkering around :)
16:23<centrx>linuxator, Try deleting those extra lines
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16:23<centrx>linuxator, hidden characters
16:24<linuxator>centrx, ok,thanx a lot
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16:37<deniz>Hello.
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16:37<deniz>I am using debian testing and I want to add a network printer using CUPS
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16:37<deniz>but my printer is not listed in the add printer list. What should I do?
16:37<Lucarios>deniz: #debian-next is for Testing.
16:38<Lucarios>:)
16:38<deniz>ok thanks
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17:46<ac>hello, I'm testing dput in a vm and it gives me a "command-line: line 0: Bad configuration option:" error when I give it an option via ssh_config_options in the config file. Is this a bug ?
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17:50<ac>okay, in fact it seems that I need to remove the quotes
17:51<ac>write ssh_config_options = Port XXXXX
17:51<ac>and not ssh_config_options = "Port XXXXX"
17:53<ac>the problem when you do this is that it looks like any later invocation of ssh (post_upload_command) ignores the ssh options, so you have to add them there too
17:53<ac>:/
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17:56<Infiltrator>themill: It didn't use to be this bad.
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17:57<themill>Infiltrator: it has been for the last 15 years...
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17:57<SynrG>context?
17:57<Infiltrator>themill: amd64 and all the Package-Index files.
17:57<themill>but I never heard from you precisely which files it was complaining about
17:57<themill>Infiltrator: disable pdiffs and let apt try again
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17:57<Infiltrator>SynrG: ftp.au.debian.org giving lots of hash sum mismatches recently.
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17:58<SynrG>ah
17:58<themill>(apt-get update -o Acquire::PDiffs="false")
17:58<SynrG>not the first i've heard of tht
17:58<Infiltrator>themill: Yeah, I know; it was more of a late night rage. :P
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17:58<themill>The Release+Packages+Translations were all ok
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17:59<Infiltrator>Actually, sorry, one Translation one failed; but the rest were okay, yeah.
17:59<Slothrop>Can someone tell me how to get all the ip adresses on my LAN? I want to ssh into computers on my network, but I want to know what their ip adresses are without going to each one and running ifconfig.
17:59<Infiltrator>Running without pdiffs now.
18:00<Infiltrator>Slothrop: Check your DHCP server for the leases?
18:00<Slothrop>I'm a noob. I don
18:00<Slothrop>I don
18:00<Slothrop>know what that is.
18:00<Infiltrator>themill: That worked. Thanks.
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18:02<sney>Slothrop: on a home network, your dhcp server is probably your router/gateway device. it should have a list of the dhcp clients connected to it
18:02<Slothrop>Ok, anyway to do that remotely?
18:02<SynrG>and as such, not really a debian question ...
18:02<SynrG>consult the doc for your router/gateway device
18:02<Slothrop>K, thanks.
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18:20<ac>is there a way to make a repo with free/contrib/nonfree sections using mini-dinstall ?
18:24<balduin>hello, i have a running ejabberd server installed but how can i access the server?
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18:25<balduin>with ejabberdctl register admin .... i have registered one user have i done anything wrong?
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19:26<k-man>when i try and install postgresql-9.3 i get the following error: http://pastie.org/8825304
19:26<k-man>postgresql-9.3 : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15) but 2.13-38+deb7u1 is installed.
19:26<k-man>any ideas?
19:27<centrx>k-man, Looks like you have Debian stable installed by you are trying to use a version of Postgresql from a different distribution?
19:27<k-man>centrx, wasn't deliberatly trying to do that - i'll check
19:29<k-man>hmm. so 9.1 is the version that is released with wheezy?
19:29<centrx>Yes
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19:31<k-man>ah, thanks, i seemed to have some sneaky extra config fine in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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19:39<us`0gb>I've seen several warnings about the dangers of using Debian Unstable. Is Debian Unstable less safe than regular rolling release distros, or just less safe than Debian Stable?
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19:40<centrx>us`0gb, Unstable breaks sometimes
19:41<us`0gb>Okay, thanks centrx!
19:42<Eco>!wb
19:42<dpkg>thanks, eco. It's good to be back.
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20:47<oldlaptop>us`0gb: You might consider using testing instead of unstable if you're really worried about stuff breaking
20:48<oldlaptop>packages migrate from unstable to testing after... is it 10 days without an RC bug reported?
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20:48<oldlaptop>catches some of the nastier bugs, in well-used packages especially
20:49<us`0gb>A few people have told me that Testing has more issues than Unstable. I think it was both security issues and breaking issues, but I forget.
20:49<us`0gb>My sources could be wrong though.
20:49<oldlaptop>Well, it isn't normally as up-to-date
20:49<oldlaptop>because of that delay
20:50<oldlaptop>there can also be corner cases where a package is broken (not installable due to dependency issues) for extended periods of time
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20:51<oldlaptop>so security issues might be outstanding for a little longer, and there's a slight chance you'll have some annoyance with a broken package for longer than you otherwise would
20:51<oldlaptop>in return you get some insulation from obvious bugs in many packages
20:51<oldlaptop>ultimately, you really need to run stable on anything that *has* to keep running around the clock
20:52<oldlaptop>if you run testing/unstable on a mission-critical server, you deserve the disaster you'll get ;)
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20:55<oldlaptop>you should certainly be fairly familar with the nuts and bolts before you consider running sid or testing
20:55<oldlaptop>since you get to keep both pieces when it breaks, it helps to know how to glue them together :)
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21:10<us`0gb>Okay, I'll think about it a bit more then. This system doesn't need to be (and isn't) running all the time, but I also would be in a big bind if it quit running on me.
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21:22<alex_>hi
21:22<alex_>i am trying to installl jessie with debian
21:22<dario``>nice
21:23<alex_>but when the installer starts and i select alternate desktop environment
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21:23<alex_>i onlyget back option
21:23<alex_>any help plz???
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21:26<alex_>maybe wrong channel sorry, i will move to jessie
21:26<alex_>btw imeant jessie with gnome...
21:26<alex_>sorry
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22:18<isosceles>How do the CLI-competent find the command to run an installed package? ...after simply trying the name of the package.
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22:21<oldlaptop>one would learn a little bit about the software before trying to use it
22:22<centrx>isosceles, apt-cache search
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22:22<centrx>isosceles, Or, I guess you mean find the binary after it is installed. You can do: dpkg -L <package name>
22:22<oldlaptop>you don't ever "run" a package
22:22<centrx>isosceles, dpkg -L <package name> |grep bin
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22:26<isosceles>i have had plenty of experience running smuxi, for example. however, i used unity's dash to start the program (or whatever the proper term is). now i don't use ubuntu, and i want to start the client from terminal.
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22:32<oldlaptop>apropos is nice
22:32<oldlaptop>apropos(1) I should probably say, for clarity
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22:37<isosceles>centrx, i can't get anything useful out of dpkg -L. it did return a readme, which instucts me to go to my "gnome menu" to run, which i don't have
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22:38<oldlaptop>http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?&query=apropos
22:39<Infiltrator>isosceles: Did you pipe it through grep bin?
22:39<isosceles>oldlaptop: apropos smuxi -> nothing appropriate
22:40<isosceles>Infiltrator: the |grep bin part didn't return anything, so i dropped it
22:40<oldlaptop>so, 'apropos irc' or 'apropos irc client' or something
22:40<oldlaptop>you're probably listing the wrong package
22:40<oldlaptop>'smuxi' happens to be a metapackage
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22:41<oldlaptop>hm - apropos 'irc client' will be more useful
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22:42<isosceles>just tried, don't see anything starting "smuxi"
22:42<isosceles>i'm just can't believe the command to run the damn thing isn't in the faq on their web site
22:43<oldlaptop>did you try apropos 'irc client'?
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22:43<isosceles>yes, nothing starting smuxi listed
22:43<oldlaptop>(the quotes make it search for 'irc AND client' and not 'irc OR client'
22:44<oldlaptop>)
22:44<isosceles>i'll try
22:44<oldlaptop>or rather the complete string 'irc client'
22:44<isosceles>quotes returns nothing appropriate. but the list without quotes was not long. nothing relevant that i can see
22:45<isosceles>did i do something wrong with grep bin? i literally got nothing in return
22:45<oldlaptop>so... I guess there isn't a smuxi(1)
22:46<isosceles>what do you mean?
22:46<isosceles>what is the (1)?
22:46<oldlaptop>not a manpage entitled 'smuxi' in section 1
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22:47<isosceles>a web search for smuxi man page comes up with nothing but a useless faq
22:47<oldlaptop>you can always try and see what a DE menu item is executing
22:47<oldlaptop>I believe the debian menus are under /usr/share/menu
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22:49<isosceles>bingo :)
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22:50<isosceles>as far as i can tell that directory lists all my clients/programs... what is it that one runs? so that i don't sound as incompetent as i am in the future?
22:50<isosceles>it was smuxi-frontend-gnome by the way
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