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00:20<gary>hi
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01:07<awildkiera>hi! I'm looking for some help with an issue I'm having with a serial terminal
01:08<awildkiera>the terminal I'm using, an ADM-3A, doesn't understand some of the standard control escape sequences
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01:10<awildkiera>I would really like to play the blinkenlights.nl star wars asciimation on the terminal, but the clear screen and home cursor control esc sequences in the animation are of the VT100 type, i.e. [H and [2J
01:10<awildkiera>but the ADM-3A uses ^Z for clear, etc
01:12<jm_>doesn't this terminal have any settings where you can configure it?
01:12<awildkiera>it does, you can't change those esc sequences though
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01:13<awildkiera>there is a video on youtube of someone doing exactly what I want to do so I know it's possible, but they haven't replied to my comments
01:13<awildkiera>I know it's possible, it's just a matter of figuring out what I need to fix, haha
01:13<jm_>can you change terminal type it can handle (i.e. vt100 ...)?
01:14<awildkiera>the TERM environment variable is set to the correct profile, so for example, the 'clear' command works as it should
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01:18<awildkiera>the control escape sequences for 'home cursor' and 'clear screen' seem to be hard coded into the ascii animation script
01:18<awildkiera>they just appear as H and 2J because the terminal isn't interpreting
01:19<jm_>where's this script?
01:19<awildkiera>I suppose it's possible that the people who made the video actually saved the script and modified it
01:19<awildkiera>towel.blinkenlights.nl
01:19<awildkiera>you just telnet in
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01:20<jm_>can't check that now then
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01:23<awildkiera>it's such a dumb niche problem hahaha
01:23<jm_>screen has some options to easily change terminfo entries, maybe that can help
01:24<awildkiera>ooh, that's a possibility
01:24<awildkiera>actually, maybe if I run it in screen
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01:24<awildkiera>it'll kinda convert those codes automatically just because of the order of things
01:24<awildkiera>right?
01:25<awildkiera>maybe, I'll see
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01:29<awildkiera>YESS that worked!!
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01:29<awildkiera>I'm guessing that screen is using a VT100 ansi compatible terminfo profile
01:30<awildkiera>and it's just passing the codes to the physical terminal using the ADM-3A profile
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01:33<awildkiera>it is a little slow, this thing only goes up to 19200 baud haha
01:33<awildkiera>thanks for the suggestion, jm_
01:33<jm_>no worries
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02:23<Guest1999>Is Tor considered to be useful anymore?
02:23<centrx>Yes
02:24<centrx>Why do you ask?
02:24<Guest1999>I was suprised to learn how much google is invovled in Tor's development. I don't know why they would accept funding from them
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02:25<centrx>Where do you see that?
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02:26<Guest1999>From talking with people at Tor on this server. I did some surfing and I think in 2008 there was a long discussion among the tor users, many could not understand why tor would work with them in any way
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02:27<Guest1999>If you go to ixquick, google tor google
02:27<centrx>The only thing I have found just now is Google Summer of Code, which is generally just interns
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02:27<centrx>Anyway, tor is open source, high profile, and code reviewed.
02:27<centrx>It doesn't matter who contributes to it.
02:27<centrx>The real concern is people running Tor nodes.
02:28<centrx>If an entity runs enough Tor nodes, they could monitor traffic.
02:28<Guest1999>It does if you control the funding provided the developers only develop what you want
02:28<centrx>So?
02:28<Guest1999>If the developers do something google doesnt like, no funding
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02:29<Guest1999>It is enough for me to doubt Tor
02:29<centrx>1. Developers can develop what they want.
02:29<centrx>2. There are many "Sponsors" of Tor.
02:29<Guest1999>That is an assumption
02:30<centrx>3. Google does not appear to have sponsored Tor since 2009.
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02:30<centrx>4. Tor already does what it is supposed to do. Your concern would be about preventing new features, not rolling back existing features.
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02:30<Guest1999>They over offering $5000 currently for ..I dont remember
02:30<centrx>That is pennies
02:31<Guest1999>For google yes
02:31<centrx>These developers already have $100,000+ full time jobs
02:31<centrx>It is pennies for the developers too
02:31<centrx>How many developers is your $5,000 going to be distributed across?
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02:31<centrx>Even if Tor had one developer, $5,000 is nothing for a good software developer
02:32<centrx>Whereas your concern only holds out if Google monopolizes the development.
02:32<centrx>And somehow is able to reverse existing Tor features
02:32<centrx>Without anyone forking
02:32<centrx>It is nonsense
02:32<Guest1999>I don't like seeing google involved in way shape or form. I don't look at the software the same way and I am suprised the developers would have ever agreed in a millions years to allow googl'es involvment. Look at what happened to Firefox
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02:33<centrx>But it doesn't bother you that Tor was originally developed by the United States Navy?
02:33<Guest1999>Sure. And I am sure there are still strings attached. I don't that that is active though
02:33<Guest1999>Big Business is a greater threat that the government
02:34<centrx>What is the threat?
02:34<Guest1999>mass surveilance,
02:34<Guest1999>censorship
02:34<centrx>That has nothing to do with the source code
02:34<Guest1999>Of course it does
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02:34<centrx>So where is the mass surveillance and censorship in the Tor source code?
02:35<Guest1999>the funders decide what direction the developers go. They don't just say "ok here is $100,000, go get em"
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02:35<centrx>Where do you get the idea that Google has given them any money whatsoever since 2009?
02:36<Guest1999>I have no idea. If google, one of the worse offenders on the planet is involved, either there are problems with the source code, or they influenced the direction of development in ways that only served them
02:36<centrx>Why is Google one of the worst offendors?
02:36<centrx>Anyway, this is a pointless conversation. You are blindered.
02:36<Guest1999>Google collects more informaiton and tracks more users than any company I can think of
02:37<centrx>USG and Microsoft
02:37<centrx>AT&T and every ISP
02:37<SamB>centrx: well, it's pretty well known what is needed to track down a tor node ...
02:37<centrx>He is saying it is because of they are going to change the source code
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02:37<centrx>He doesn't seem to care about the node issue
02:37<Guest1999>No that is not what I am saying
02:38<centrx>s/change the source code/affect the direction of development
02:38<Guest1999>I am saying that they influence the development of the code, the direction or goals that they set out to achieve.
02:38<SamB>this seems to be because of the design which I don't think has changed much in quite some time either?
02:38<SamB>on the other hand, it's fairly well known
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02:39<Guest1999>Look at Firefox and google's involvement. Open firefox and try to disable everything google related. I will bet you cant. Then type about:config at firefox url window, then type safebrowsing and look at the settings
02:40<Guest1999>At least with firefox if you dig around long enough you have some chance of disabling some things
02:40<centrx>Okay, I'll install it right now
02:40<Guest1999>Ok
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02:42<centrx>Okay, I disabled Safe Browsing and changed the default Search Engine
02:43<centrx>What else?
02:43<Guest1999>Where did you disable safe browsing?
02:43<Guest1999>did you go to about:config first?
02:43<centrx>Yes
02:43<Guest1999>Is the typical user supposed to know about - "about:config"?
02:44<centrx>You don't need about:config
02:44<Guest1999>Ok, where else can you disable it?
02:44<centrx>Preferences -> Security -> Block attack sites & Block forgeries
02:44<Guest1999>Ok will take al ook
02:45<centrx>The first search result told me how to do it
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02:45<centrx>uh oh, I used to Google to find out how to disable Google Safe Browsing!
02:45<centrx>Maybe it is a trick?
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02:45<centrx>and now I switched to Yahoo, which at one point was rumored to be going to be sold to Google!?
02:45<Guest1999>Did you check or uncheck block atack sites?
02:45<centrx>uncheck
02:46<Guest1999>ok hang on
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02:47<Guest1999>Mine seems disabled as well. Dammit. I know they were enabled before
02:47<Guest1999>my mistake
02:48<Guest1999>I did not realize that check mark affected the safebrowsing settings. How did you know it did that?
02:50<jm_>even its help tells you that
02:51<Guest1999>Ok. Google is a great company that does not do mass surveilance. They fully disclose all the implications of using their "service", and they dont spy on non users
02:51<centrx>I don't understand why you are so focused on Google, but don't seem to care about any other company or government.
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02:51<Guest1999>I do, why not pick the one that is the largest?
02:52<centrx>U.S. Government is the largest
02:52<Guest1999>Or the one that provides funding for so many free software projects?
02:52<centrx>Microsoft is pretty large too
02:52<Guest1999>I don't think they are the threat nearly as much as big business is
02:52<centrx>ISPs have more access
02:52<centrx>Why not?
02:52<Guest1999>You can buy laws and buy the government. US is famous for that
02:53<Guest1999>Who do you think does the lobbying?
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02:53<Guest1999>and pays for it?
02:53<centrx>If big business has bought the government, why are you still ignoring the government?
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02:54<centrx>So Google bought the government, and has fooled you into only watching their brand name, not the people they bought?
02:54<Guest1999>What would you like me to do? If you want to protect your rights to privacy for example - you will have to do that yourself. The government and definetely google will not help
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02:55<Guest1999>I don't think you fully understand the harm that a total information aware society can have
02:56<centrx>But you said the only problem was Google
02:56<Guest1999>No, I said they are the biggest
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02:56<centrx>Google hasn't sponsored Tor in 5 years.
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02:57<Guest1999>Ok?
02:57<centrx>Google isn't even listed on the biggest 100 companies in the world
02:57<Guest1999>So?
02:57<centrx>Apple, Verizon, and AT&T all have more revenue than Google
02:57<centrx>So how are they the biggest?
02:58<centrx>Why is Google such a huge surveillance concern, but your ISP isn't?
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02:59<Guest1999>Sounds like they are all the problem, I agree. These companies bought laws, we are supposed to change the laws by voting, then they buy the laws again. You have to protect yourself, then you find out that they companies are heavily involved in projects like TOR
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03:00<centrx>Where is it safe?
03:00<Guest1999>Hopefully at TOR
03:01<Guest1999>In my case, I do it out of principal. But I think there are probably people that use TOR whose lives depend on it
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03:02<Guest1999>Speaking of google again - Are you looking forward to going outside in public and have Glassholes walking around?
03:03<Guest1999>Saving your images without your permission or consent?
03:03<centrx>I live in a bunker. I do not go outside.
03:03<centrx>Are you looking forward to being bathed in gamma radiation?
03:03<Guest1999>No, is that coming up?
03:04<centrx>It could happen at any moment.
03:04<Guest1999>Is there a gamma ray burst on the way?
03:04<Guest1999>It could or could not. Google has said that Glassholes are on the way though right?
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03:05<centrx>Google has said it, so it must be true.
03:05<Guest1999>I don't look forward to Glassholes at all. I already know that there are millions of people stupid enough to buy them
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03:08<centrx>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_cdkpazjI
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06:08<dskfl>the strangest thing happened to me today, i tried to log in as root and i got wrong password. I tried a few times and same thing. I was perplexed. Lucky for me i had sudo with no password for my normal user and a term left open and i tried to see the contents of /etc/shadow. It was empty. SO that's why i can't log in. Then i find /etc/shadow- (see the - at the end of the filename). So i copy /etc/shadow- to /etc/shadow and try again and it wo
06:08<dskfl>rks. Now ... i have no idea why this happened
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06:10<dskfl>who/what could have moved my shadow file to shadow- and then left an empty shadow file instead
06:10<jm_>utilities dealing with it, it's even mentioned in the man page
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06:11<dskfl>what man page
06:11<dskfl>what utilities
06:11<jm_>man shadow
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06:11<dskfl>ok show shadow- is a backup
06:11<dskfl>that's good
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06:11<dskfl>but why my shadow was empty?
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06:12<jm_>no idea
06:12<dskfl>i was afraid of being hacked, so i ran rkhunter and it was all good. But if i were hacked it would have made more sense to change my root password
06:13<dskfl>i guess
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06:13<dskfl>the last thing i did was compile openjdk-7 from source. As root not fakeroot
06:14<dskfl>is there any way i could trace what could have caused my shadow to be empty?
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06:15<dskfl>i don't see nothing weird in history
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06:17<Brigo>dskfl, afaik no, first you need monitoring.
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06:18<Brigo>dskfl, consider to install etckeeper or some file monitoring tool
06:18<dskfl>Brigo, understandable.. any tips where to start?
06:18<dskfl>you beat me to it :)
06:18<jm_>perhaps the timestamp of shadow- could at least identify when it happened
06:19<Brigo>dskfl, well the shadow and shadow- modify times could be a start.
06:19<dskfl>yes shadow- was two month old but shadow had a timestamp of yesterday
06:19<dskfl>now it has today, but that's because i just copied the backup
06:20<Brigo>where was you at this time, loging in?
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06:20<dskfl>yes i guess
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06:20<dskfl>you mean when it was emptied?
06:20<Brigo>dskfl, yes, the last modify timestamp
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06:21<Brigo>asuming the file was deleted then.
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06:21<Brigo>you can search for some network connection before
06:23<dskfl>i guess i left my machine compiling openjdk-7, around the same time i lost /etc/shadow
06:23<jm_>try doing that task again :)
06:23<dskfl>i don't have sshd opened
06:23<dskfl>jm_, i just might!
06:23<dskfl>makes sense
06:24<Brigo>dskfl, you can monitoring the compiling with strace
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06:24<jm_>uhh I wouldn't do that with a monster like openjdk
06:25<dskfl>i'll just run it again and see if it happens again
06:25<dskfl>i hope so
06:26<Brigo>me too :-)
06:26<Nemoder>you might also check your syslog for any obvious screwups
06:26<Brigo>it will be a wonderfull bug to report :-D
06:26<dskfl>i imagine
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06:27<Nemoder>also good to check free disk space for large compiles, and kernel log for any IO errors on the drive
06:28<xormor>which is safer, ubuntu 12.04 LTS or Debian 7.4.0?
06:28<Nemoder>safer from what?
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06:29<Brigo>I think debian 7.4 is safest
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06:33<xormor>Nemoder, probably from hackers, crackers, malware and show-stopping bugs.
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06:35<Nemoder>well they both get regular security updates. they are both stable and so most of the bugs are fixed or have known workarounds. but no system is safe from malware with a determined user :P
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06:51<steeven44>cc sa vas
06:51<Maulkin>!ft
06:51<Maulkin>!fr
06:51<Maulkin>!fr
06:51<steeven44>wat
06:51<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
06:52<steeven44>ok
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07:17<DudeMcDudeness>Hello, I feel incredibly stupid but here's my issue: I was trying to upgrade a system, aptitude said there was a library in an unexpected place and said to move said library. Well so I did, using mv file. Moved in the same folder as .backup. Now I can't upgrade, can't file transfer using filezilla and can't move back the ,backup where it was before. Is there anyway I can fix things?
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07:17<jm_>which library?
07:17<DudeMcDudeness>libc-2-13.so
07:18<themill>libc6
07:18*jm_ shakes head
07:18<themill>lovely
07:18<jm_>boot from a rescue medium and fix it back
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07:18<DudeMcDudeness>I can't, it's on a server.
07:18<DudeMcDudeness>I don't have direct access to the machine I mean.
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07:19<jm_>and you don't have busybox-static installed either?
07:19<DudeMcDudeness>No, the embarassment is huge now but I don't know what that is.
07:19<themill>DudeMcDudeness: do you have a root shell open?
07:19<DudeMcDudeness>I do.
07:19<DudeMcDudeness>I'm currently connected with ssh
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07:20<themill>cool... that should be fixable then. What arch do you have there? amd64 or i386?
07:21<DudeMcDudeness>32bit
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07:23<themill>DudeMcDudeness: so you renamed /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so to /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so.backup ?
07:23<DudeMcDudeness>Yes.
07:23<jm_>LD_PRELOAD?
07:23<themill>so does «LD_PRELOAD=/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so.backup ls» work?
07:25<DudeMcDudeness>I'm afraid it didn't. I tried to run aptitude update to check, still gives me error while loading shared libraries.
07:25<DudeMcDudeness>Hang on, let me copy the exact thing I used.
07:25<themill>exactly what did that command do?
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07:25<DudeMcDudeness>It showed a whole bunch of libraries.
07:26<themill>that's good
07:26<DudeMcDudeness>Ah, ok.
07:26<DudeMcDudeness>Guess I should hold my horses before checking.
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07:26<themill>so «LD_PRELOAD=/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so.backup cp /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so.backup /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so» should let you copy the file back
07:27<themill>was it only that file that you renamed?
07:27<DudeMcDudeness>Yes.
07:27<DudeMcDudeness>Oh boy, that apparently fixed it.
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07:27<DudeMcDudeness>I am SO grateful themill.
07:27<themill>dpkg, congratulate DudeMcDudeness
07:27<dpkg>Yay DudeMcDudeness, you did it!
07:27<Nemoder>lucky you didn't log out :)
07:28<DudeMcDudeness>Now that we fixed that... I know that what I did was retarded, may you explain why?
07:28<themill>ok... so the next question is why dpkg thinks you have a non-managed libc6 on your disk
07:28<jm_>consider installing busybox-static
07:28<themill>(and yes, install busybox-static as your next move)
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07:29<themill>DudeMcDudeness: «aptitude download busybox-static; dpkg -i busybox-static*deb» (just in case apt is still grumpy about wanting to configure things before installing busybox)
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07:30<DudeMcDudeness>It's working on it.
07:30<SynrG>DudeMcDudeness: "aptitude said there was a library in an unexpected place and said to move said library" <- i would love to know exactly what command you typed and what the exact output was.
07:30<SynrG>(would maybe help explain how you ended up in this mess)
07:30<DudeMcDudeness>Sure, let me scroll back up to when I did that.
07:30<SynrG>put at paste.debian.net
07:31<themill>SynrG: it's libc6's preinst getting unhappy about libraries -- there are two separate checks there. We've seen a handful of them in the last few weeks but ever worked out why
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07:31<SynrG>themill: fun stuff
07:31<SynrG>DudeMcDudeness: and hate to drop my 2c here and run, but i have to catch my bus, so leaving in about 3m :)
07:32<DudeMcDudeness>SynrG: I could put it on paste.debian but it's just one command and there is no output. Should I do it anyway?
07:32<SynrG>the others should be able to sort out your paste if i'm gone by then
07:32<SynrG>uhh?
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07:32<DudeMcDudeness>mv /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so.backup
07:32<SynrG>"aptitude said" implies output
07:32<SynrG>no, not that one.
07:32<DudeMcDudeness>Oh sorry.
07:32<DudeMcDudeness>Ok I will.
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07:32<DudeMcDudeness>Thank you SynrG, enjoy the bus ride.
07:32<SynrG>the command you typed that resulted in aptitude saying that, and aptitude's output.
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07:34<DudeMcDudeness>http://paste.debian.net/85054/
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07:35<jm_>what does 'apt-cache policy libc-bin' show?
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07:36<themill>DudeMcDudeness: so just about every binary on your system relies on libc in some way -- it's the root library of all programs written in C so if you break that, you break all your tools. (and busybox-static is a swiss army knife that doesn't require libc)
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07:36<jm_>(and the same for libc6)
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07:37<DudeMcDudeness>http://paste.debian.net/85056/
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07:37<DudeMcDudeness>I'll install busybox as soon as aptitude stop complaining about it.
07:38<themill>complaining?
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07:38<DudeMcDudeness>Yeah, I mean, whenever I try to install/upgrade something aptitude says that there's the library in an unexpected place.
07:38<jm_>that's why themill gave you steps how to install it without aptitude
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07:39<DudeMcDudeness>I'm sorry, I must've missed it in the messages, I'll scroll back.
07:39<themill>DudeMcDudeness: [23:29] <themill> DudeMcDudeness: «aptitude download busybox-static; dpkg -i busybox-static*deb» (just in case apt is still grumpy about wanting to configure things before installing busybox)
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07:40<jm_>heh another person who I thought lives in CET (or close to it) timezone, couldn't be more wrong about it
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07:41<themill>:)
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07:42<DudeMcDudeness>Speaking of timezones, I rarely find people that shares mine. Anyway, as I tried to install it it gave some locale errors. I'll put it on paste.debian.
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07:43<DudeMcDudeness>http://paste.debian.net/85057/
07:43<dskfl>anyone running snoopy? is it good? i wrote earlier i lost my /etc/shadow and don' t know why/how
07:43<DudeMcDudeness>And I'm going to install it on my desktop too.
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07:44<themill>DudeMcDudeness: would you be able to pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6; dpkg -L libc6:i386; ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6*"
07:44<themill>DudeMcDudeness: don't worry about the locales warnings just yet. They're easy to sort out later and are harmless at this stage.
07:45<DudeMcDudeness>Yes sir, in a moment. On a side note, should I paste on new pages or can I just paste as new?
07:45<jm_>themill: almost looks like libc-bin was upgraded and libc6 not (or there was already an error while installing it earlier)
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07:45<themill>DudeMcDudeness: just make a new paste
07:45<themill>jm_: there seems to be lots of lib* packages with no file lists there
07:45<jm_>DudeMcDudeness: as for locales, what is it set to? 'locale' will show it
07:46<DudeMcDudeness>http://paste.debian.net/85058/
07:46<jm_>themill: yeah and libc6 was amongst those, maybe it's something more problematic
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07:46<DudeMcDudeness>Locale is set to en_US.UTF-8
07:47<DudeMcDudeness>I tried to install busybox-static on my desktop, it's asking me to remove busybox. Can I go ahead with that?
07:47<themill>yeah
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07:48<themill>DudeMcDudeness: what does "apt-cache policy apt dpkg; dpkg --print-architecture; dpkg --assert-multi-arch && echo multiarch" say
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07:48<DudeMcDudeness>http://paste.debian.net/85059/
07:48<jm_>maybe you don't have locale files generated for en_US.UTF-8, but to shut it up now simply set it all to C now
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07:49<themill>hmm... so there's a multiarch-capable dpkg but the package files aren't in the correct multiarch locations
07:50<DudeMcDudeness>I'm not sure why I have multiarch. The server is extremly minimal.
07:50<DudeMcDudeness>I mean, I shouldn't need multiarch.
07:50<themill>yeah, but dpkg still needs to be prepared for you one day deciding you do
07:50<DudeMcDudeness>I see.
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07:51<themill>is this a fresh installation from some hoster's image? or has this machine been around for a while?
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07:52<DudeMcDudeness>I did install it a while ago. At least before December. But it was installed from some hoster's image.
07:52<themill>I wonder if they're maintaining their images with something other than dpkg and that's why these files are in the wrong place
07:53<jm_>themill: isn't /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so expected location for it?
07:53<themill>jm_: that's fine, but all of the package's control files aren't multiarch'd
07:54<dskfl>in iptables, if my INPUT policy is DROP, do i still need to DROP packets at the end of the INPUT chain?
07:54<themill>so there's a /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.list instead of the correct /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:i386.list
07:54<jm_>ahh and that's why it's reporting that, yeah, makes sense
07:55<themill>yeah, so there's no file list associated with the package, all hell breaks loose
07:55<DudeMcDudeness>I wish I was good enough for that to make sense for me too :P
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07:55<jm_>dskfl: no, from the man page -- If the end of a built-in chain is reached or a rule in a built-in chain with target RETURN is matched, the target specified by the chain policy determines the fate of the packet.
07:55<themill>DudeMcDudeness: I *think* that renaming /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.list to /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:i386.list should solve this one for you.
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07:56<DudeMcDudeness>I can do that. just mv file filenew?
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07:57<themill>yes
07:57<DudeMcDudeness>Ok.
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07:58<DudeMcDudeness>trying to upgrade as a test
07:59<DudeMcDudeness>http://paste.debian.net/85062/
07:59<DudeMcDudeness>I'm afraid it didn't do it.
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07:59<themill>haha that's your backup file still kicking around
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07:59<DudeMcDudeness>Damnit :I
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08:00<themill>(we used cp rather than mv there as I didn't want to misplace it)
08:00<themill>you can probably safely delete '/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so.backup' now
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08:01<DudeMcDudeness>I think it's working.
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08:07<themill>DudeMcDudeness: success?
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08:08<DudeMcDudeness>Well, kind of. That specific problem is gone but I'm having a new one that I think I can solve. I must be out of memory. I'm gonna remove mysql that I don't use anyway and try again.
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08:09<themill>Also, in that previous paste, there was about 20 other packages where dpkg complained that there was no file list present. You should "aptitude reinstall libcxau6 libglib2.0-0 …"
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08:10<Nemoder>running out of drive space seems to be a common way to get an incomplete package list on updates
08:10<DudeMcDudeness>Oh I meant ram.
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08:11<DudeMcDudeness>On themill, everything seem to be fine now.
08:11<jm_>I certainly hope dpkg checks that everythign was successfully written so out of space errors should be caught by it
08:12<DudeMcDudeness>Thank you all, I appreciate all the help a lot.
08:12<themill>DudeMcDudeness: so yeah, you need to reinstall those 20-odd packages. You may also like to run debsums to see if there's anything else weird on their image.
08:12<themill>dpkg: tell DudeMcDudeness about debsums
08:13<themill>DudeMcDudeness: and it sounds like you should yell at your hoster for giving you a broken image.
08:13<DudeMcDudeness>I can do that.
08:14<DudeMcDudeness>I can also make a backup copy of the files I have on the website and reinstall from scratch, it is possible that I messed something up.
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08:18<tony>youtube
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08:24<bullgard4>http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s02.html: "NFS Version 3 functionality will also require the nfs-utils package of at least version 0.1.6." Debian wheezy: "You have searched for packages that names contain nfs-utils in suite(s) stable, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results." - What is the successor of nfs-utils in Debian wheezy?
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08:27<jm_>bullgard4: nfs-common
08:27<bullgard4>jm_: Thank you.
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08:28<jm_>no problem
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09:21<Symptom>hello, i tryed to scp a game server to another shell through putty and i messed up. I used this on the shell i want to transer my files @ user 'topgaming': scp -r root@ip:/home/topgaming/gather topgaming@ip
09:22<Symptom>i got the files but everything is green (executables) and some of them are green highlighted
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09:25<bea>i'm having trouble with kdm and xrandr: i put xrandr in /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup, and it kinda works (resolution and display layout is right), but kdm looks messed up (wallpaper on larger monitor is the size of the smaller monitor, greeter is in top left). the thing is, if i run xrandr as user and then log out, kdm looks fine. is there any other place where i could put my xrandr command?
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09:27<musca>bea: you can create a conf-file with monitor sections under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
09:28<bea>musca: oh i totally forgot about Xorg.conf. dark memories return...
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09:32<musca>bea: i set my display layout like this http://paste.debian.net/hidden/86ad7d83/
09:33<musca>so not really darkness comes to mind
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10:25<cris>hola parraaaaa
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10:58<xormor>I have political reasons to prefer Debian GNU/Linux over Ubuntu Linux (Ubuntu is a corporate Linux, owned by the Canonical Limited Corporation).
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10:58<sney>apropos of nothing
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11:01<deathstar>Is it possible to setup exim4 to send mail externally (not receive externally), without an account setup somewhere? I believe it's possible and I thought I had it setup to work, but when I try to send e-mail to a gmail address maillog say's network unreachable? Is this a gmail issue or an i-didn't-configure-it-right issue?
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11:02<sney>the latter, I think, but I don't know MTA configuration that well
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11:05<deathstar>Ok, I'm not sure where I went wrong. It seems to try and forward mail, but fails to connect.
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11:07<sney>can you ping the address it's trying to connect to? I know google has a lot of different MX addresses
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11:10<deathstar>sney, I can ping, but can't telnet to 25. It looks like Verizon is screwing it up. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18776027/exim-mail-transfer-agent-cant-deliver-mail
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11:11<Chex>deathstar: setup a remote proxy from the port
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11:14<deathstar>Chex, I'm not sure I understand, will that let me send out to tcp 25 if my isp is blocking it?
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11:18<bullgard4>'~$ sudo showmount: clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered.' - What program is not registered?
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11:21<blawiz>how do i manage printers correctly on debian stable? tried deleting a printer throught localhost:631 but got "forbidden"
11:21<zathras>blawiz, check cups.conf : it disables any access other than from 127.0.0.1 by default. So you will want to change that
11:21<Apollo>blawiz: that means you weren't authenticated with a user with sufficient rights
11:21<Apollo>or what zathras said
11:23<blawiz>hmm but i thought i was comming from 127.0.01
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11:23<blawiz>doesnt look like i have a "cups" group either
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11:24<blawiz>ahh.. have to set permission with sudo usermod -a -G lpadmin tom
11:25<bullgard4> What do the letters »sd« stand for in the rpc.gssd program's name?
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11:26<blawiz>problem solved, ty guys :)
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11:35<Sios>I'm on gNewSense.
11:36<Maulkin>!gnewsense
11:36<dpkg>gNewSense GNU/Linux is an operating system based on <Ubuntu>, without most non-free software/firmware/binary-only blobs, but with <GFDL>-licensed documentation. http://www.gnewsense.org/ #gnewsense on irc.freenode.net.
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11:36<Sios>Maulkin: It is no longer based on Ubuntu. It's now based on Debian. This is why the version of Smuxi I just installed has put me in this channel
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11:37<mtn>Sios: only debian is supported in this channel, not derivatives
11:38<Maulkin>And it's based on Debian, which means it's not Debian unfortunately. I'd try #gnewsense on irc.freenode.net.
11:38<Stummi>Sios, so, file a bugreport against Smuxi at gnewsense
11:38<Sios>Yes, yes , mtn. I've heard that you guys are schmucks and kick anyone who doesn't use Debian.
11:38<zumbi>!gnewsense
11:38<dpkg>rumour has it, gnewsense is GNU/Linux is an operating system based on <Debian>, without most non-free software/firmware/binary-only blobs, but with <GFDL>-licensed documentation. http://www.gnewsense.org/ #gnewsense on irc.freenode.net.
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11:38<mtn>Sios: huh, schmucks
11:39<sney>yiddish!
11:39<zathras>and this improves your changes of getting help how exactly?
11:39<sney>Sios: it's an old rule that exists for several good reasons. some of the ops get mad when people keep insisting they should be an exception, but mostly we try to explain our position to people
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11:40<sney>Maulkin: it be on your head if that guy comes back
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11:40<@Maulkin>sney: Nope, it's covered by another ban
11:40<Sios>I just notied this. I didn't come here. I'll file a bug report.
11:40<Sios>*noticed
11:40<sney>Sios: okay
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11:41<Sios>aphex -- great music.
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11:41<Sios>Sfke
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11:46<luka>irc.
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12:14<Symptom>guys, i tryed to do a scp and i got this msg: Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
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12:15<Symptom>is this anything to worry about?
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12:16<LtL>Symptom: your target host changed hardware or you may have the wrong address. worst case scenario its a man-in-the-middle-attack
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12:17<Symptom>its cloud and i just created the shell i want to transfer my files.
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12:18<LtL>Symptom: you've never ssh'd to this machine before?
12:18<helga>hey
12:18<helga>hey
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12:19<Symptom>its ,first time...
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12:20<LtL>Symptom: thats odd, it detects that by comparing keys in ~/.ssh/known_hosts
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12:21<LtL>Symptom: run a check on the ip first using whois, be sure it the correct host
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12:23<LtL>Symptom: i don't use cloud services so it may have something to do with the cloud itself. strange though for the first connection, did it prompt you to accept a key when connecting?
12:23<Symptom>i mention that the new shell is rebuilt on the same ip
12:24<jpinx>Anyone having same trouble as me installing wheezy-backports youtube-dl ? no package available :(
12:24<Symptom>in other words, i destroyed it and rebuilt it
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12:25<LtL>Symptom: thats probably why then. you can rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of the message and re-accept the key when connecting
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12:26<Symptom>LtL: done... thank you very mush
12:26<Symptom>much* ;p
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12:26<LtL>Symptom: you're welcome
12:26<jmw>judd: versions youtube-dl
12:27<judd>Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.02.17-1; sid: 2014.02.17-1
12:27<bullgard4> What do the letters »sd« stand for in the rpc.gssd program's name?
12:27<jmw>jpinx: ^^^ there is no wheezy-backport for it
12:27<jpinx>jmw: I discovered that, and wheezy's pkg has some bug now :(
12:28<jmw>jpinx: it's not in wheezy either
12:28<jpinx>.youtube-dl
12:28<jpinx>!youtube-dl
12:28<dpkg>youtube-dl is a command line utility for downloading videos from <YouTube> and other sites. Not part of the Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" release due to bug #608176, but is available from <squeeze-backports>. Not part of the Debian 7 "Wheezy" release due to bug #688997. To use with <mplayer>, see http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script . http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/ #youtube-dl on irc.freenode.net.
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12:28<jpinx>which is wierd 'coz I was using it till a few days ago
12:29<jmw>it was removed from wheezy before release
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12:29<jpinx>!ssd
12:29<dpkg>The "Drive" in Solid-state Drive (SSD) is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. See also <ssd limit>.
12:30<jpinx>!ssb
12:30<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
12:30<abrotman>dpkg: tell jpinx about bottell
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12:36<petn-randall>^_o
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12:45<jpinx>jmw: fwiw I downloaded the jessie version and installed it with dpkg -- seems to work fine ;)
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12:48<fasmos>hello
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12:49<fasmos>sss sss
12:49<@Maulkin>fasmos: Do you have a debian support question?
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13:03<bullgard4>[wheezy] 'man 8 rpcinfo': "OPTIONS: -p Probe the portmapper on host, and print a list of all registered RPC programs.' - What is a "registered RPC program"?
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13:16<caravel>hi there, I'm looking for advice about backup and replication/sharing. I've looked at quite a few solutions, many rsync-based, and currently looking at rdiff-backup with the -fs package and backupninja.
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13:18<caravel>basically, what I'm looking for would be at the cross of both ways (versionned backup *and* sharing between a very small group or family peer), and am not sure what tools I could use to achieve this
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13:20<Brigo>caravel, may be onwcloud?
13:20<Brigo>owncloud
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13:21<caravel>Brigo: I've looked into it too, do you reckon? may I explain the constraints I try to meet? :)
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13:22<Brigo>caravel, really i have never used it, but it looks like very cool :-)
13:22<Brigo>caravel, or you can try a service like dropbox or copy.com
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13:22<caravel>that's exactly what I try to avoid
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13:23<caravel>just looking at the level of family/friends peer network, everyone running Debian now :)
13:23<Brigo>well, owncloud is the free replace.
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13:24<mortzu>hi
13:24<mortzu>i have a problem with quota and bindmounts
13:24<Brigo>well, you can make a owncloud server and install one client in every debian, and sync.
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13:25<mortzu>i've have quota on / and quotacheck counts bind-mounts too
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13:26<ivanoov>hi :)
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13:28<caravel>Brigo: but that'd imply a "master" system, right? I'm looking for a decentralized approach
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13:29<Brigo>caravel, but who sync with who?
13:29<caravel>what I want to achieve, is that each user (think "family member") would work on his own folders under home on her local system
13:29<Brigo>i think you need a server where you can upload your files and everybody can sync with.
13:30<caravel>and get a (short) versionned backup locally eg. on another disk *and* get this replicated on other systems for safety.
13:30<caravel>Things like rdiff-backup look just sufficient and perfect for this.
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13:30<caravel>Then come the "sharing" i.e. folders contributed by all... that's where the scheme "breaks" in my mind :)
13:30<Brigo>so you want to "share" the backups no the real files.
13:31<caravel>I don't really care :) As long as the real files of each *and* the common one, get versionned and replicated in at least 3 storage
13:31<Brigo>ok , and where are you thinking about make the backups?
13:31<caravel>i.e. cross-mutualizing respective storage
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13:32<caravel>"I share some disk space to increase the safety of your backup, so do you"
13:32<Brigo>caravel, you can archieve it, but i think it is not the best way ...
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13:33<caravel>everything I find seem to be designed for 2-ways sync/conflict resolution
13:33<caravel>Brigo: what do you mean?
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13:33<caravel>I want to avoid that any of the nodes would be any more "strategic" than any other
13:33<Brigo>conflics and access, each computer need access to others.
13:34<caravel>that's fine, ssh keys are great for that
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13:34<caravel>could run a low-privilege account on each system just for this
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13:38<caravel>Brigo: but well, that's the conflict part that troubling, yes :)
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13:38<Brigo>caravel, well, go on :-)
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13:41<caravel>hmm, I'll have to keep thinking, the "common folders" need isn't quite resolved in my mind :s
13:41<caravel>maybe I'm just an idiot and should learn better rsync
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13:44<caravel>fwiw, https://github.com/BYVoid/distribox looks to try solving exactly that (under dev)
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13:46<caravel>as often, discussing on IRC helps to better formulate search engine queries :) thanks Brigo
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13:47<Brigo>caravel, you are wellcome :-)
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13:48<Brigo>caravel, p2p amazing aproach :-)
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13:51<caravel>Brigo: actually, bitcloud sounds even more of an amazing project :) http://bitcloudproject.org (under dev too)
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13:53<heaver>anyone mind helping me with an internet connectivity issue? Ping and apt-get works, but no browser connectivity
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13:54<Brigo>caravel, very good idea, but no software
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13:55<caravel>yes, to watch, good for the future :) but I need something to get running today :)
13:55<caravel>heaver: verify DNS resolution, it's my first bet
13:55<heaver>pinging google.com works
13:56<caravel>then check your browser settings, maybe proxy is on and shouldn't be?
13:57<caravel>you can also check another browser, wget/curl or even lynx from a console, tcpdump to inspect things further
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13:57<heaver>the 4g wifi network from my phone works fine
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13:58<heaver>and ive tried on 3 other computers, also factory reset on the router
13:58<caravel>all blocked?
13:58<heaver>yes
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13:59<caravel>then it's no debian issue, I guess?
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14:00<heaver>gut says its an ISP problem but I wanted to check with smarter minds to make sure I hadnt FUBAR'd some linux setting
14:00<heaver>thanks
14:00<caravel>did you check what you got as an answer by host and dig for google.com at least?
14:01<caravel>I mean, pinging doesn't mean you ping the right host
14:01<caravel>eg. could be resolved as 127.0.0.1...
14:01<heaver>host google.com gives the valid IP
14:01<caravel>and ping tells you the same, right?
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14:02<heaver>correct
14:02<caravel>so next, give a go to tcpdump/curl/wget/lynx
14:02<birch>how do i use the 'locate' command to search an external drive? so far all my results are just on the locate hard disk even though i used 'cd' to move my location to the external drive. thanks.
14:03<caravel>birch: locate gives your the results of what's indexed
14:03<caravel>index more? not sure but see man locate/updatedb
14:03<birch>caravel, after i mounted the external drive i used 'updatedb', but i guess i need to do something else to index the external drive as well?
14:04<caravel>bis repeta, sorry :)
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14:05<heaver>caravel, im not familiar with those commands, can you give an example?
14:05<caravel>no, I can't, like I said (ter) => not sure but see man locate/updatedb :)
14:06<caravel>or be patient, someone more knowledgeable might pick up your question
14:06*caravel is a mere user
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14:09<heaver>ok wget works
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14:10<caravel>heaver: oh sorry I mixed your queries with birch's ^^^
14:11<caravel>anyway you'll find thousands of sample for the commands I cited online
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14:17<heaver>ok i can wget stuff and view sites with lynx
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14:18<wictorht>hi. what's the main difference between apt-get and aptitude?
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14:18<centrx>wictorht, aptitude has a curses interface?
14:19<wictorht>centrx: okay, but aside from that?
14:20<planetmaker>the name :P
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14:25<darkorkyd>hello ici
14:25<darkorkyd>des francais?
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14:27<birch>caravel, i found it using the 'find' command. actually, 'find' doesn't recognize the file i was looking for but it did find similar files from that time period which led me to finding the right file, which for some reason isn't recognized by either command ... weird
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14:28<caravel>birch: find traverses your fs, nothing to do with locate
14:29<birch>caravel, yes but it's weird that neither command could find the file even though it exists, yet nearby files were searchable.
14:29<caravel>(and I know rather v.little about both of them, tbh)
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14:49<nocturnal>is there a terminal emulator in debian that is minimal like xterm or rxvt, has unicode support and let's me click on urls?
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14:51<blawiz>sakura i thjink
14:51<blawiz>almost like gnome-terminal, but less gay
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14:53<nocturnal>sakura, thanks
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14:53<nocturnal>I'll try it
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15:01<nocturnal>unicode didn't work well in it.
15:01<nocturnal>or I couldn't get the right font, not sure. I have SourceCodePro-Regular in xterm so I tried sakura -f SourceCodePro-Regular but it didn't look right.
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15:01<nocturnal>and swedish unicode characters didn't work
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15:05<zykotick9>nocturnal: have you tried rxvt-unicode? aka urxvt
15:05<nocturnal>can they convert urls to links?
15:05<nocturnal>I like urxvt, though I'm not using it now, but I don't remember that feature.
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15:06<nocturnal>ahh urlLauncher in the man
15:06<nocturnal>awesome thanks
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15:08<zykotick9>nocturnal: ;) you found it http://paste.debian.net/85129/
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15:15<nocturnal>thanks zykotick9 but I'm afraid urxvt has the same issues as sakura. maybe I'm missing some setting because in xterm it has no problems handling my swedish unicode characters.
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15:18<zykotick9>nocturnal: sorry, i certainly don't know... best of luck!
15:20<nocturnal>=)
15:20<nocturnal>might be the TERM setting, I'll try adjusting it to rxvt
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15:40<nocturnal>https://cloud.sydit.se/public.php?service=files&t=015a18c8e0fd0df64a6798e12f1579a8 made a video of the strangeness in urxvt. I run standard uxterm and I never see this weird skipping of characters.
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15:40<nocturnal>it skips characters and sometimes they show up on the next command
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15:41<nocturnal>in the beginning of the line as if they were left in some buffer
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15:41<nocturnal>in the video there's uxterm on the left and urxvt on the right
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16:38<hi-tech>hai
16:38<hi-tech>any body there
16:39<MrFrood>nocturnal: I use uxrvt all the time, I know several other people who also use it and have not come across this bahaviour which leeds me to suspect that this is something in your setup. NB my $TERM is 'rxvt-unicode-256color'
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16:40<hi-tech>which s the best proxy browser
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17:33<gdiaz2804>hola probando
17:34<n0a>hey mac users, got ssl? :D
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17:42<Mongo44>What driver do I need to use my Samsung laser printer.
17:43<devil_>Mongo44: depends on model
17:43<StyXman>~grub
17:43<devil_>check on linuxprinting.org
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17:44<Mongo44>When I was running Ubuntu the driver installed automatically, which was convenient.
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17:44<devil_>i am using suld-driver for mine
17:45<StyXman>what is the proper way to customize grub? I want to change the prefix and the root partition
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17:46<StyXman>I can change grub.cfg the change the latter, but it will be overwritten on each grub/kernel upgrade, and it wont fix th former
17:46<valdyn>StyXman: what is the purpose of changing the root partition?
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17:47<StyXman>valdyn: I changed the root partition from a partition ina hard disk to a partition in a ssd
17:48<StyXman>and because I'm using f2fs for / and /home and grub does not support f2fs, I had to create /boot
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17:48<valdyn>StyXman: for grub that /boot would be the root
17:49<StyXman>no, that would be the prefix
17:49<valdyn>StyXman: hah
17:49<StyXman>or so i understood
17:49<valdyn>StyXman: no
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17:49<StyXman>I actually had to write those commands in the grub rescue prompt
17:49<valdyn>StyXman: the handover from /boot to / happens inside linux, not grub
17:50<valdyn>StyXman: and that / is specified in the linux command line - that command line is stored in grub though
17:50<StyXman>set prefix=(hd1,msdos1)/grub <-- that is /boot
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17:51<StyXman>ok
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17:51<StyXman>ok, then, so how do I change what root value is passed to the kernel?
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17:52<StyXman>and why grub talks about root in on side and prefix in another?
17:52<StyXman>in one* side
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17:53<valdyn>StyXman: grub.cfg has variables, this one is just called prefix, as far as i can see
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17:53<StyXman>ok, yes, sorry
17:53<StyXman>Im mixing some things
17:54<valdyn>StyXman: it sure is confusing at first
17:54<CMT>I've just installed Debian on an old laptop and I'm having a really weird problem. My caps lock LED isn't working on TTYs.
17:54<StyXman>I want to a) change the prefix variable (I cant find it) and b) chage the root parameter passed to the kernel
17:54<CMT>It's working fine on X and during boot.
17:54<valdyn>StyXman: i dont completely understand grub2, however i would modify grub at bootup to boot the correct debian for you
17:54<CMT>setleds +caps works perfectly.
17:54<StyXman>valdyn: thats what I want to do :)
17:54<valdyn>StyXman: then when running dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc it might do the right thing for future bootups
17:55<StyXman>hmm
17:55<StyXman>I didnt thought of that
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17:56<valdyn>StyXman: or you can add another boot entry from your old linux by editing /etc/grub.d/
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17:57<valdyn>StyXman: those are the files that generate grub.cfg
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17:57<valdyn>ls
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17:58<StyXman>wait
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17:58<pff>StyXman: you have to edit /etc/default/grub and update-grub
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17:58<pff>and run update-grub*
17:59<StyXman>pff: there's nothing in /etc/default/grub that references the prefix var or the root param to the kernel
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18:00<valdyn>StyXman: if you manage to create a proper entry in grub.cfg then editing /etc/grub.d should be easy
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18:01<pff>StyXman: you're right, my fault
18:01<StyXman>valdyn: check /etc/grub.d/ its all script that generate the file. theyre incomprhensible
18:01<valdyn>StyXman: sure
18:01<StyXman>less than the words that I type with so many typos :)
18:02<valdyn>StyXman: but making such a file print a very specific grub.cfg entry is easy
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18:02<valdyn>StyXman: the preexisting files look that complex only because the retrieve values from various places
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18:02<CMT>Oh, just found out my problem. Weird. Keycode 58 = CtrlL_Lock
18:03<valdyn>StyXman: but youre ok for now by creating a specific entry without precautions to automatically adjust when, say, the kernel changes
18:03<StyXman>valdyn: that means that I should throw them away?
18:03<CMT>What's the difference between CtrlL_Lock and Caps_Lock?
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18:03<valdyn>StyXman: no, theres a 40_custom
18:03<StyXman>ah, hmmm
18:03<valdyn>StyXman: all you need to do is add what you want your grub.cfg entry to look like
18:04<valdyn>StyXman: without anything fance, such a boot entry you can google i guess
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18:06<StyXman>well, technically, what I want is to go were grub picks up those vakues and modify them there
18:06<valdyn>StyXman: not really
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18:06<valdyn>StyXman: you just want to boot your *new* system once
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18:06<valdyn>StyXman: grub should pick up everything correctly from there, when you run update-grub from there
18:07<valdyn>StyXman: or just skip messing with grub, i nearly forgot about that
18:07<valdyn>StyXman: you can invoke the new system with its update-grub by using chroot
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18:07<valdyn>!chroot
18:07<dpkg>a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09#_chroot_system
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18:08<StyXman>valdyn: no, I booted my system by hand, with the grub rescue thinguie, that's what I'm using to chat right now
18:09<valdyn>StyXman: ok
18:09<StyXman>but if i reboot this machine, i will have to do it all over again
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18:09<valdyn>StyXman: then run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc from there
18:09<StyXman>the problem is:
18:09<StyXman>valdyn: it just put the old, wrong values again
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18:10<valdyn>StyXman: maybe your new fstab is broken
18:10<valdyn>StyXman: in that case you wouldnt really be on the new system
18:10<valdyn>StyXman: is /etc/fstab modified to have the new / ?
18:11<NaCl>Greetings all. I am attempting to use "rngconv" that is found in the libmsv-java package, but nothing in there appears to be an executable, just maven jars (or something like that). How should I go about executing the rngconv jar?
18:11<StyXman>I just installed this machine. it has a SSD and a HDD. I want / in the SSD, formated with f2fs. grub does not support f2fs, and the installer neither. so i installed in a partition in the HDD, booted, created and formated the parts in the SSD, rsync'ed / there and modified /etc/fstab so the partition in the HDD is now /boot
18:11<StyXman>valdyn: I think so
18:12<valdyn>StyXman: you should know, not think
18:12<StyXman>yes, it is
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18:12<StyXman>valdyn: sorry, I was pretty sure, but then I doubted. I just checked
18:12<valdyn>StyXman: "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" does pick up the *current* root, not your old one
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18:13<StyXman>http://paste.debian.net/85171/
18:14<valdyn>StyXman: when you run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc you get prompted with a list of disks and partition where you can install grub
18:14<valdyn>StyXman: you its installed to just one disk and you are booting from a different one...
18:14<valdyn>StyXman: when its installed to just one disk and you are booting from a different one...
18:15<StyXman>http://paste.debian.net/85172/
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18:15<StyXman>ah
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18:15<valdyn>StyXman: that looks perfect to me
18:15<StyXman>so it picking it up right
18:16<StyXman>the UUID confused me
18:16<StyXman>dammit
18:16<StyXman>brb, then
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18:20<StyXman>valdyn: perfect
18:20<StyXman>so, the right answer is: update your fstab and reconfigure grub-pc
18:20<StyXman>sorry, I just missed that the file was really updated
18:21<StyXman>tx for that
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18:21<StyXman>o/
18:21<valdyn>welcome
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18:22<SynrG>NaCl: figure it out yet?
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18:23<SynrG>usually just java -jar …
18:23<SynrG>sometimes you need to set the classpath
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18:24<SynrG>isn't there doc in the package?
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18:28<Claonilton>oi
18:28<Claonilton>caranval in brazil
18:28<Claonilton>someone
18:28<Claonilton>?
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18:29<abrotman>Debian?
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18:29<themill>!ubuntu-br Claonilton
18:29<dpkg>Claonilton: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server chat.freenode.net depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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18:32<NaCl>SynrG: unfortuantely that doesn't work. And the documentation appears to be sparse.
18:32<NaCl>SynrG: or I'm not looking in the right place.
18:33<NaCl>I'm trying to avoid learning too much about maven
18:33<SynrG>there's no corresponding -bin package?
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18:33<NaCl>nope
18:34<SynrG>or maybe some cmdline wrapper in the source package not included in the deb?
18:34<NaCl>I think it just needs to be executed in a particular way. Lemme try something...
18:35<SynrG>setting -cp?
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18:35<NaCl>yeah, looks it
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18:35<SynrG>got it now?
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18:40<NaCl>sorta
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18:41<NaCl>just need to find out all the various needed jar files
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18:46<NaCl>SynrG: yeah, rigging up the classpaths helped. Unfortunately, that isn't directly mentioned anywhere in the documentation. Nor is it really clear how to use the java libraries, but that could simply be a "you need to know java to use these" sort of things
18:46<SynrG>yeah
18:46<NaCl>considering that the rngconverter has a main() in it
18:46<NaCl>anyway
18:47<NaCl>SynrG: thanks for the suggestions
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18:50<SynrG>np
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18:57<alcheman>hello my friends
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19:00<centrx>Some friend
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22:24<phihag>what do I need to include in a preseed file to automatically select the keymap? I've copied the preseed from https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt , and the syslog shows "successfully loaded preseed file from file:///preseed.cfg", but I still see the keyboard layout selection dialog
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22:34<ljsoftnet>can i hide the pop up message of gnomeradio "could not open /dev/mixer" i have sound though or maybe a fix for this
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23:16<ljsoftnet>can i hide the pop up message of gnomeradio "could not open /dev/mixer" i have sound though or maybe a fix for this
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23:50<mask>just did a new install of wheezy with xfce on my netbook and I have zero sound. I have gone into alsamixer and put everything to maximum volume and still nothing. Ideas on how I get audio?
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23:56<Nemoder>is mute toggled on?
23:56<Nemoder>also check if your user is in the audio group
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23:59<mask>Nemoder, I have yet to find any control that says 'mute', where would that be located? and how would i check to see if my user is in the audio group?
23:59<Nemoder>alsamixer will say MM at the bottom, you can press m to toggle it
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