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01:07<habs>Can anyone help me out of this dependency hell? I'm on oldstable and want to install libmpfr-dev for building gcc, but "libmpfr-dev : Depends: libmpfr4 (= 3.0.0-2) but 3.1.0-5 is to be installed". Must have been from some old backport. OK, so I just do "sudo apt-get install libmpfr-dev libmpfr4=3.0.0-2". But then I get 181 packages on queue for deletion: <http://sprunge.us/PfUO> I can't just
01:07<habs>backport a newer version of libmpfr-dev because it has a dependency chain that eventually leads to requiring a newer version of libc6. Any idea what I can do to remedy this?
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01:10<centrx>habs, libmpfr4 3.1.0-5 is the version in wheezy
01:11<centrx>habs, Are you sure your sources.list is set to squeeze, not wheezy?
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01:13<habs>centrx: My sources.list is clean, but it's possible that just that one package may have been "unofficially" upgraded to the Wheezy version a few months ago. I wouldn't mind reverting back, but as you can see there seems to be a lot of consequences.
01:14<centrx>habs, What version of libc6 do you have installed
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01:16<habs>centrx: 2.11.3-4.
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01:17<centrx>habs, Try downloading the version of libmpfr-dev that matches the version of libmpfr4 you have: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libmpfr-dev
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01:17<centrx>habs, It looks like it might be installable
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01:19<habs>centrx: Tried that. Problem is it depends on libgmp-dev (only available in wheezy), which in turn depends on a specific version of libgmp10, which depends on libc6>=2.13.
01:22<centrx>habs, You could try building libmpfr-dev from source
01:22<centrx>habs, Changing the dependencies
01:22<centrx>habs, It's not really building it, since it should just be header files, but it would build a Debian package.
01:23<habs>centrx: A risky move, but I like it. I'll give it a shot
01:23<centrx>habs, It is only incidental that the libmpfr-dev package requires the specific version of libgmp through libgmp-dev
01:23<centrx>habs, So actually you could try the same thing with the libgmp-dev package instead
01:24<centrx>oh wait
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01:24<centrx>habs, libmpfr-dev does not require a specific version of libgmp-dev
01:25<centrx>habs, Installing the version of libgmp-dev from squeeze should satisfy the dependency
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01:26<centrx>habs, So I guess it is libgmp3-dev that is the dependency you _would_ want. What version of libgmp do you have installed
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01:30<habs>centrx: The thing is that there is no libgmp-dev in squeeze.
01:30<habs>Maybe it's called by another name or something.
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01:31<centrx>There is a libgmp3-dev
01:32<centrx>If that version matches up
01:32<habs>centrx: I have version 2:4.3.2+dfsg-1 of libgmp3c2.
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01:33<centrx>Okay, the libgmp3-dev matches up with that
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01:33<habs>centrx: But then I'd have to build from source because the new libmpfr-dev depends explicitly on "libgmp-dev" and not "libgmp3-dev", and libgmp3-dev doesn't provide libgmp-dev.
01:34<centrx>right
01:34<centrx>Question is will libmpfr-dev work with that version of the the libgmp headers
01:35<centrx>habs, Can you upgrade to wheezy?
01:35<centrx>This is the sort of thing that happens with Frankendebian
01:35<centrx>!frankendebian
01:35<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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01:36<habs>centrx: Unfortunately not. Thanks for your help though; there are a few avenues of attack I'll try.
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03:35<wardhan>is there any way to create a deb package for efl 1.9. i am compiling from source.
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03:37<centrx>wardhan, You could look at the existing efl source/package in unstable
03:37<centrx>wardhan, It's on 1.8.5, but the general method should be similar
03:37<centrx>dpkg: tell wardhan about nmg
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04:09<pabs>anyone have a preseed file for partitioning for a UEFI system? I have a RAID1+LVM preseed but it is for BIOS based systems
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04:12<centrx>pabs, Try on OFTC in #debian
04:12<centrx>pabs, There's a little more activity there at this hour
04:12<mgv>centrx: we are on OFTC
04:12<pabs>this is OFTC #debian :)
04:12<centrx>pabs, Oh woops, I meant Freenode
04:13<centrx>SPeaking of the hour
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04:16<pabs>ok
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04:51<nureyevo>hello!
04:51<nureyevo>Good Morning
04:51<nureyevo>Now i am using Anonymous OS
04:51<nureyevo>It is fantastic!
04:53<nureyevo>But internet say " It is a trojan! "
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04:53<nureyevo>It isn t a trojan
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04:59<bullgard4> Description of initramfs-tools package: "Any boot loader with initrd support is able to load an initramfs archive." What is »initrd«?
05:00<mgv>!initrd
05:00<dpkg>[initrd] Initial ramdisk, or god's way of punishing you for using a pre-built kernel image... and you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem, see <can't mount root>. A great system for those who understand modules or need/want root in LVM and/or md RAID. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd . See also <initramfs>, <kp mantra>.
05:01<mgv>wikipedia explains it well
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05:04<INDICELL>hell
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05:09<bullgard4>mgv: Thank you very much for your help.
05:10<mgv>you're welcome
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05:24<alethecoder>load /home/alethecoder/Scaricati/dccassist-1.9/dccassist.jar
05:25<alethecoder>load -e /home/alethecoder/Scaricati/dccassist-1.9/dccassist.jar
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05:57<f651561>hello
05:57<alethecoder>OpenServerList()
05:58<f651561>someone to help with amd64 debug
05:58<f651561>?
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06:57<can>hi
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07:05<magnetophon>can: hi :)
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07:17<nureyevo>hello everybody!
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07:23<nureyevo>Ci si
07:24<nureyevo>Sono ita!
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07:53<magnetophon>Which config file defines the default .svg program? I tried update-alternatives --all, but it's not in there....
07:53<themill>default in what context?
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08:05<rrman>where should we ask questions??
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08:08<mongrol>here
08:09<mongrol>oops, missed
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09:08<ravik>hi
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09:33<lgp171188>Hi, I just installed Debian 7.4 amd64 on my HP G4 1201tx laptop that has i5 processor with AMD Radeon 6470M graphics card in a hybrid setup. The installation went fine and on booting up, within a few seconds of booting, the display went off never to come back. When I was previously having Ubuntu in the same laptop I had to switch off ACPI to get the display not to do that. What could be the issue here
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09:33<lgp171188>?
09:34<ichdasich>well... try to append noacpi
09:34<Nemoder>might also need to append nomodeset
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09:37<lgp171188>ichdasich, Nemoder I remember doing that long back when I installed Ubuntu. But with just acpi=off I have got the desktop, though GNOME 3 complains and has loaded in fallback mode. What to do?
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09:39<Nemoder>!radeon
09:39<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
09:40<Nemoder>you could try the proprietary driver if the free one isn't working very well
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09:41<lgp171188>Nemoder, I am trying to get the laptop working with just the free drivers. If not, I will give the non-free one a try
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09:42<lgp171188>It is a pity and shame that even with recent hardware, it is a hassle to install and use GNU/Linux due to the proprietary drivers and the hybrid GPU setup still needing a lot of work in Linux.
09:42<`Nibble>Hi
09:43<Nemoder>just depends on your hardware
09:43<Nemoder>intel generally works best out of the box
09:44<lgp171188>One more problem here, wifi which worked out of the box during the installation, doesn't work in the installed setup and says wireless is disabled by hardware switch and I am unable to turn it on by pressing the switch
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09:45<`Nibble>I have a question about multilib - multiarch. I want to cross-compile a 32-bit binary in a debian-amd64, I need to install gcc-multilib or is there any other way? I am asking this because of all the changes regarding multi-arch.
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09:46<`Nibble>I notice that when you install gcc-multilib it depends on several lib32-* packages and I thought that these kind of packages are being deprecated in favour of :i386 multiarch ones
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10:53<Skipper>I know this May sound really crasy but does telnet still serve any perpose anymore, if so what?
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10:54<Skipper>Seems everyone is wanting to use ssh now
10:54<sney>some devices still use telnet for management
10:54<sney>ssh has replaced it for the most part though
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10:55<Skipper>Just wondering I never used it to much but didn't know what makes ssh better?
10:55<Skipper>Other than encryption
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10:57<sney>that's pretty much it. it's much harder for a 3rd party to look at what you're typing on the remote system
10:57<Balazs_P>Skipper, http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/internet/difference-between-telnet-and-ssh/
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11:00<Skipper>Balazs_P thank you :)
11:02<Balazs_P>Skipper, np :)
11:03<Skipper>The was a linux question I was wanting to ask just for side tracked, I am going to be dual booting two linux os on my computer should I use one or two swap space?
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11:04<Skipper>I got the feeling only one but just not 100% sure
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11:06<sney>Skipper: only 1
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11:06<Balazs_P>Skipper, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/57780/do-i-only-need-one-swap-partition-for-multiple-linux-distros-and-other-questio
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11:06<Skipper>Deny thank you we'll I am off to get to work have a good day.
11:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 685] by debhelper
11:07<Balazs_P>sney, unless you're hibernating
11:07<sney>that's true
11:07<Skipper>What do you mean hibernating?
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11:07<Balazs_P>suspend to disk
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11:08<Skipper>Sometimes I'll put my computer into hibernation
11:08<Skipper>Not always it is a Lapps
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11:08<Skipper>Lappy
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11:09<Balazs_P>then use 2 swap
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11:09<Skipper>Ok
11:10<Skipper>Anything leap I should know I have dual booted win and linux befor but not two glaciers of linux
11:11<Balazs_P>huh? :D are you using google traslator?
11:11<Skipper>Anything else sorry miss typed
11:11<Skipper>This program on this computer changes what I type hate it
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11:14<Balazs_P>Skipper, i suggest you to read a few tutorials about how can you do it, backup everything because every case is different
11:14<Skipper>So should I set both swap spaces to 16gb I have 8gbs of ram
11:15<Balazs_P>no you won't need that amount
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11:15<Skipper>So what would you suggest ?
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11:16<Balazs_P>Usually, making swap size of more then 4GB benefit the system at all
11:17<Balazs_P>*doesn't benefit
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11:17<Balazs_P>2GB / os is fine
11:18<Balazs_P>or max 4GB / os
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11:18<Balazs_P>you won't need more
11:18<lgp171188>I am back and my wifi still says disabled by hardware switch and the hardware switch is unable to power it on. Any clues?
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11:18<Skipper>Oh ok save me some space, just always read double the ram, I'll be happy to give it a go
11:18<SynrG>lgp171188: any setting in the bios?
11:18<SynrG>lgp171188: does that wifi chipset require firmware?
11:19<Skipper>Thanks a lot fellas much thanks I am gone have a good day and thank you
11:19<lgp171188>SynrG: It works fine in Windows. During the installation it worked fine. But now after installation it doesn't. BIOS has nothing to customize except the boot devices.
11:19<Balazs_P>Skipper, see you.
11:19<SynrG>lgp171188: ok. and the firmware?
11:20<Skipper>Thanks
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11:20<SynrG>lgp171188: lspci -nn | grep -i network
11:20<Skipper>Sney thank you to
11:20<lgp171188>SynrG: I am sure it doesn't require any as it worked fine during the installation. But still let me check once.
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11:21<SynrG>lgp171188: that's not necessarily the case. if it is dual booted with windows the windows driver could load the firmware and set registers on the wifi chipset. a reboot into linux sans firmware might work if those values are retained
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11:21<lgp171188>SynrG, but then how did the installer automatically detect and use the wifi card?
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11:22<lgp171188>I have an Atheros card, so let me install the firmware-atheros package and see if it helps
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11:22<SynrG>lgp171188: please provide the output i asked for
11:23<lgp171188>"02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0032] (rev 01)"
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11:23<lgp171188>pasting here itself as the output is not too large
11:23<SynrG>,pciid [168c:0032]
11:23<judd>[168c:0032] is 'AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0032 http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
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11:24<SynrG>"Firmware is required, which can be provided by installing the firmware-atheros package. Open firmware for this driver is also available."
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11:24<SynrG>lgp171188: as per the ath9k_htc wiki page linked above
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11:25<lgp171188>okay let me do that and see if that helps.
11:25<lgp171188>might have to reboot, so will be back shortly
11:26<SynrG>lgp171188: remember you need non-free enabled
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11:26<lgp171188>SynrG: Yes I have that enabled.
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11:26<SynrG>k
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11:27<lgp171188>Since this is a laptop I am upgrading to testing and possibly to unstable
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11:27<lgp171188>I am hoping that the radeon driver support has improved in the newer kernels
11:27<mitch_reward>yes I thinks so
11:27<SynrG>so it's just on stable now?
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11:28<lgp171188>Yes I installed stable only and doing the dist-upgrade to testing
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11:52<penetranzverbot>Why does Skype autostart in XFCE and not in Gnome (nor KDE)? Where is the autostart entry? Unfortunately not in the usual places.
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12:13<lgp171188>SynrG: I tried installing firmware-atheros and rebooted. Still the hardware button doesn't turn on wifi and it is still red. :(
12:14<lgp171188>could this be due to acpi off?
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12:15<ncl>lgp171188: you could try messing with rfkill maybe
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12:16<ncl>I don't think wifi triggering would pass through acpi but I'm not sure
12:16<lgp171188>rfkill shows the adapter is disabled by hardware
12:16<lgp171188>and wifi worked fine during the installation
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12:16<lgp171188>and the only thing that I changed after installation is turning off acpi in grub
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12:18<ompaul>lgp171188: what actual maker and model are involved here?
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12:19<ompaul>lgp171188: while you installed using a blob did you install a blob after you installed?
12:19<lgp171188>HP with intel i5 processor, amd radeon 6470m graphics card with hybrid setup. atheros AR9485 wireless card
12:19<lgp171188>It asked for a blob only for my wired card and wireless worked out of the box
12:20<ompaul>lgp171188: the actual model (although most hp boxes don't have switches like lenovos)
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12:20<lgp171188>hp g4 1201tx
12:21<lgp171188>the wifi toggle is on one of the function keys. so will have to press fn+f12 to toggle and it doesn't working on Debian
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12:23<rual93>Hi
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12:23<rual93>join
12:23<ompaul>lgp171188: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse check this out - I assume (as I wasn't here or told) you are using wheezy
12:23<mgoetze>hi, can someone give me a pointer on what the correct input device would be if i want to record my system's sound with avconv, without installing pulseaudio?
12:23<Balazs_P>rual93, /join #channelname
12:24<lgp171188>ompaul: I was on wheezy till an hour or so back when I talked on this channel, now am on testing
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12:24<rual93>thanks
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12:24<ompaul>lgp171188: and are you using wicd or network-manger or the cli?
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12:25<lgp171188>I am using network manager. rfkill says wifi adapter is disabled by hardware switch and pressing the hardware switch doesn't toggle it
12:26<ompaul>check
12:26<Nemoder>mgoetze: you would probably need to setup aloop back device for alsa, check the alsa project docs
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12:26<Balazs_P>lgp171188, in terminal: setkeycodes e078 238
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12:26<Balazs_P>lgp171188, and try to turn on
12:27<mgoetze>Nemoder: thanks, i'll look into that
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12:27<ompaul>lgp171188: that won't do any harm at any rate
12:27<lgp171188>Balazs_P: Not working
12:28<Balazs_P>lgp171188, hmm
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12:28<ompaul>lgp171188: and have you re enabled acpi for the fun?
12:28<lgp171188>how do I after booting?
12:28<Balazs_P>lgp171188, btw i think hotkeys are hw controlled in HP, no need drivers for it
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12:28<ompaul>lgp171188: you don't
12:28<ompaul>lgp171188: you let it boot with it on
12:28<rual93>I have a question related to processes in ubuntu with kernel 3.11.
12:29<lgp171188>display switches off if I do that
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12:29<ompaul>rual93: and this is #debian
12:29<lgp171188>will have to see if something like nomodeset makes it work without turning off acpi
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12:30<ompaul>rual93: you might find an audience who know what you are on about on irc.freenode.net #ubuntu - we wouldn't have a clue it is not the same thing
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12:33<lgp171188>brb guys gonna try enabling acpi and setting nomodeset
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12:33<rual93>ompaul: I would like to know if it happens on debian too
12:35<rual93>ompaul: Because if not, maybe I consider to remove ubuntu from my laptop
12:35<ompaul>rual93: well there is no 3.11 kernel in any part of debian from experimental to old stable
12:36<mgoetze>rual93: with that attitude, debian is probably the wrong distro for you
12:36<rual93>ompaul: ok, my problem started with 3.11 in ubuntu, thats why I mentioned the kernel version
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12:37<rual93>ompaul: the question is: when you create a child process and kill the parent, who is the new parent of the child process?
12:37<lgp171188>I am back, turning on acpi and setting nomodeset has wifi working and GNOME also works fine. How do I know if I am still on fallback mode?
12:37<lgp171188>Also how do I find out which card is being used?
12:37<ompaul>lspci
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12:39<lgp171188>Here is the output of lspci
12:39<lgp171188>http://pastebin.com/Uy7A3W88
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12:39<ompaul>rual93: not a debian / kernel question a quick google "bash kill child process when parent dies" where bash is your shell tells all
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12:40<ompaul>lgp171188: 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
12:40<ompaul>rual93: so have a nice day on freenode
12:40<lgp171188>ompaul: Yes, it works only with acpi on
12:41<lgp171188>During the boot process, the display turns off when either of acpi=off or nomodeset is not set
12:41<ncl>rual93: all processes with no parent become a child of pid 1 (init/systemd/whatever)
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12:42<rual93>ncl: not now
12:42<towo`>lgp171188, with nomodeset you never will have hardware 3d
12:42<rual93>ncl: there is a new weird thing called INIT usr
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12:43<towo`>lgp171188, without hardware 3d, you only can start gnome fallback mode
12:43<lgp171188>towo`: I get that, but my display turns off during boot without it
12:44<towo`>lgp171188, hybrid graphics ...
12:44<lgp171188>yes, a curse!
12:45*ompaul read that as horrid graphics
12:45<ompaul>oh well
12:45<Balazs_P>lgp171188, use windows :DD kidding...
12:45<ompaul>lgp171188: worth filing bugs against
12:45<lgp171188>This is my wife's laptop bought a couple of years ago. Hence has the hybrid graphics stuff. Mine bought 6 years ago has nvidia card but works well with just nouveau.
12:46<lgp171188>Balazs_P: Using windows is not an option for me or my wife :)
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12:46<lgp171188>ompaul: which project should I file the bug against?
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12:47<ompaul>graphics
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13:05<saiyan>hows it going guys
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13:11<saiyan>how do i remove a program from terminal?
13:11<towo`>apt-get purge foo
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13:21<saiyan>lol isnt it apt-get remove?
13:21<saiyan>does purge do the same thing
13:21<weasel>no, it doesn't do the same thing.
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13:21<Balazs_P>saiyan, it does + purges config files
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13:22<saiyan>ooh
13:22<saiyan>what are config files?
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13:22<Balazs_P>saiyan, the installed packages config files
13:22<saiyan>huh?
13:23<Balazs_P>saiyan, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Configuration_file
13:23<saiyan>ty
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13:30<saiyan>this might be a stupid question but I can make any sort of document in vim or emacs right? HTML, Java, C++, anything right
13:31<Apollo>yes...
13:31<saiyan>ok
13:31<Apollo>vim is a texteditor, aka, you can edit anything text related with it
13:31<saiyan>cool
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13:32<mitch_reward>yeah vim'll recognise the used language
13:33<mitch_reward>and help you with the proper color
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13:33<saiyan>i think i like vim more than emacs
13:33<saiyan>I like working from terminal
13:34<mitch_reward>this is a powerfull tool
13:34<mitch_reward>I used it from years now, and often learn some new tricks with vim
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13:41<m>Everton are you online
13:42<m>\msg Everton are you online
13:42<ompaul>no everton in this channel
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13:54<svchost>Ok who is the expert debian expert around here?
13:55<Balazs_P>svchost, you should ask questions first then we could see
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15:01<Mongo44>I am trying to watch some videos on Scottrade. What do I need to do?
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15:04<dr>any pardus 2014 EXPERT?
15:04<dr>from turkey
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15:05<svchost>Are any you present the coding demigod(s) who developed a certain AMDXX derivative ? would love to talk, and massive respect to you. Likewise if you have no idea what i'm talking about but consider yourself debian SUs maybe you can answer a question
15:05<dr>ı cant kde 3d effects
15:05<oldlaptop>dr: this is a Debian channel
15:06<dr>pardus is use debian packages
15:06<oldlaptop>pardus is not debian
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15:06<dr>http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pardus
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15:06<Mongo44>Also when I watch youtube videos I have to reload the page. First time is an error.
15:07<oldlaptop>dpkg: tell dr about based on debian
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15:08<dr>ı have problems about graphics and ati drivers
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15:09<wompa>dr, you should try to follow the link to "homepage" or equivalent in your locale, http://www.pardus.org.tr/
15:09<svchost>so no experts around... so many idle nicks
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15:10<Mongo44>The experts probably take a load off on Sunday.
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15:12<Nemoder>!ask
15:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:12<dr>thank you
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15:14<h3ck4r>!help
15:14<musca>!ask
15:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:15<Nemoder>Mongo44: sounds like you have a problem with the flash plugin, type about:plugins into your browser URL and see what version you have
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15:17<svchost>Ok, I have a malicious infection that has penetrated the embdedded file system of various systems at home... So far it has effectively infected a Chromebook, Macbook, 3 Android phones, A windows 7 sys, Windows 8.1 laptop, and a playstation 3. I'll stick to the computers... the load process has been hijacked immediately after CMOS/POST and a set of system drivers/files have loaded in place of the BIOS host interface....(wait this
15:17<Mongo44>I guess I have tons of plugins. This is Flash: Shockwave Flash 10.1 r999
15:18<svchost>a ISO file system of sorts manipulates the active installation or boot media as well as the internal hard disks and creates somewhat of a modified hypervisor configuration on all o/s's that allows manipulation and control of the environment with difficult detection. The recent memdump has finally led me to a list of identical files present in one of the cusomized debian builds and i was looking for help to address it since all atte
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15:19<Nemoder>Mongo44: you may have better luck with a newer version. do you have flashplugin-nonfree package installed?
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15:19<Mongo44>Yes.
15:20<oldlaptop>svchost: You need to use pastebin or something, your messages are too long and are getting cut off
15:20<Nemoder>Mongo44: try running update-flashplugin-nonfree as root
15:20<ncl>https://paste.debian.net/ > pastebin
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15:22<oldlaptop>you also might consider using a web forum or something, if you have *that* much to say :)
15:22<oldlaptop>IRC has its limitations
15:22<Mongo44>update-flashplugin-nonfree didn't work. I was in root terminal.
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15:22<Nemoder>what was the error?
15:23<Mongo44>Command not found.
15:23<ncl>/usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree
15:23<Nemoder>^
15:23<Nemoder>(that is usually in the path for root)
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15:24<Mongo44>I guess it would be under downloads?
15:24<mikeman>hey guys I need some help with window snapping in xfce. Anybody know this?
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15:25<svchost>nice thanks.... https://paste.debian.net/86619
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15:26<Mongo44>ls ~/home isn't working in root terminal.
15:27<ncl>~/home shouldn't really exist
15:27<svchost>Basically i need help on learning methods to interface with debian when its acting as a hidden file system... using other methods and o/s shells is all limited and restricted
15:27<Prasad>how to revert back the operation done previously
15:27<ncl>root's home is /root, users' homes are /home/$USER/ (usually), and ~/ acts like an alias for $HOME
15:28<Mongo44>I mean ls ~/"my user" isn't working.
15:28<oldlaptop>that won't work either
15:28<Nemoder>Mongo44: ~ IS 'my user'
15:28<valdyn> Mongo44 ~username
15:28<Mongo44>Correct.
15:28<valdyn>Mongo44: or just ~ of course
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15:28<Prasad>i.e i have tried to install gnome-plugins,this removed many packages
15:28<Nemoder>Mongo44: if you want to switch to root just run 'su'
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15:29<svchost>yeah i didnt think so honestly... but i need an out
15:29<Prasad>so how revert back the changes??
15:29<svchost>maybe just need to buy the coder lunch
15:29<ncl>Prasad: what changes
15:29<Nemoder>svchost: you could add your list of files to your pastebin if you need help identifying them
15:29<ncl>svchost: you have BIOS malware?
15:29<oldlaptop>svchost: what exactly does Debian have to do with this?
15:30<Prasad>ncl: i have tried to install gnome-plugins,this removed many packages
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15:30<ncl>ah...
15:31<Mongo44>So I need to find the path to flashplugin-nonfree?
15:31<Nemoder>Prasad: not easy to do without backups, but you could try simply installing the software you do want and see if that works
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15:31<Nemoder>Mongo44: if you su to root then /usr/sbin/ will be in your path and you can just run 'update-flashplugin-nonfree'
15:32<Mongo44>I ran su the file path did not change.
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15:33<ncl>You can just run it directly, ie '/usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree' right in the prompt
15:33<Nemoder>Mongo44: su wont change your working directory but it will switch you to the root user which has different paths for system programs
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15:34<Mongo44>ncl, that didn't work.
15:34<Nemoder>Mongo44: sounds like you do not have flashplugin-nonfree package installed then
15:34<Mongo44>I know I have it.
15:34<ncl>is the file not there?
15:34<ncl>why doesn't it work
15:34<Nemoder>you may have flash installed but not that package from debian
15:34<svchost>sorry old, using a web interface and the colors are confusing...
15:35<Mongo44>So ls /usr/sbin
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15:35<ncl>well if it wasn't there, it'd tell you in the error you got when you tried to run it
15:35<svchost>i have to use a chromebook to maintain stable system so its kind of a pain to tell whos/priv and whos not
15:36<oldlaptop>svchost: you said something about "https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/" being present on every infected system?
15:36<wompa>Mongo44, you can check if it's installed via the package manager with: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
15:36<oldlaptop>surely you don't mean the *entire* Debian archive?
15:36<svchost>no... hahaha ... just a ton of those put together to do everything perfectly
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15:37<oldlaptop>can you be more specific?
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15:37<Mongo44>Installed: (none) means it isn't?
15:37<oldlaptop>what exactly is present on every infected machine?
15:38<svchost>Hmmm... ok consider this... its like a hypervisor...
15:38<wompa>Mongo44, correct, you might have installed flash via the web browser
15:38<svchost>you bootup to load a linux build in verbose mode... except the script is different and its loading a secondary login root and it swaps the root and changes your syslevel...
15:39<Mongo44>No I don't remeber doing that. For the package it says this is the source: http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/contrib amd64 Packages
15:39<Mongo44>Probably without amd64 Packages.
15:39<wompa>Mongo44, yes, that's where the package will be fetched if you choose to install it
15:39<svchost>or... you loadup windows 7, 8, 8.1 installation media.. except it loads into a windows PE build and copies specific files into a X: drive, which it then uses to create another hypervisor installation of windows...
15:39<Prasad>ncl: http://fpaste.org/83837/
15:40<wompa>Mongo44, but it doesn't mean it is installed
15:40<Nemoder>Mongo44: on the about:plugins page in your browser what is the path for the library it uses?
15:40<svchost>OR if you load chrome, the javascript extensions are different and loaded high so that if you load a user name with unsandbox permissions it will install multiple extensions from online and modifiy the core
15:40<svchost>(CHROMEBOOK sorry)
15:41<rryoumaa>getting irritated by machine not responding for a second or two every time i do a backup. nice --20 ionice -t -c3 does not fix it. is this something linux users just live with?
15:41<oldlaptop>svchost: so, what does Debian have to do with this?
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15:42<svchost>All the files in my memdump are identical to the files in that link i showed you... it is using debian as an open common language and combining packages, firmware, interfaces, and drivers to allows cross platform communication
15:42<wompa>rryoumaa, how do you run the backup? rsync?
15:42<rryoumaa>wompa: yes
15:42<ncl>Prasad: weird, are you using some kind of mixed sources.list
15:42<rryoumaa>via rsnapshot which just calls rsync with the right args
15:43<Mongo44>Well I am installing it now. I was damn positive I had already done. Oh well.
15:43<ncl>rryoumaa: well you're setting rsync to have -20 nice, which means highest priority
15:43<svchost>i can point out all the files if you want me to get specific on what they do and how they do it?
15:43<Nemoder>Mongo44: your browser may continue to use the old version if it is in your home folder somewhere. you may have to manually remove that old version
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15:44<rryoumaa>ncl: doesn't matter. i wasn't sure about that, so i tried -20 and --20 and normal. they all are bad.
15:44<wompa>rryoumaa, yes, I just live with it, I don't notice it that mcuh. You could schedule with cron to run it at night if you it's powered on anyway
15:44<wompa>much
15:44<Mongo44>Should I reboot now that it is intalled?
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15:44<rryoumaa>i run it every 6h and it would be really great to fix it
15:45<Mongo44>or installed rather.
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15:45<ncl>rryoumaa: how are they unresponsive, maybe it's the network that's at issue?
15:45<Nemoder>Mongo44: just restart the browser
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15:45<rryoumaa>ncl: local disk. user input freezes.
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15:45<rryoumaa>so does video
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15:46<ncl>that's also odd
15:46<rryoumaa>i thought ionice -c3 was supposed to have /no/ effect on the system
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15:46<Mongo44>I reckon it works. Thanks fellas.
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15:47<Prasad>ncl: http://fpaste.org/83838/94394442/
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15:48<Prasad>ncl: i guess that when i will restart my machine i will not able to login also
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15:48<svchost>all these libcrypt files squashfs, gcry_serpent, gcry_whirlpool, gcry_etc etc etc, cdbe_conf-udeb, acorn this, crypto-dm-deb, ...meh... too many, nevermind.. just wanted some advice on methods to interact with a debian shell
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15:50<rryoumaa>ionice man page is either wrong or misleading. "The impact of an idle I/O process on normal system activity should be zero."\
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15:50<valdyn>rryoumaa: harddisk performance breaks down badly when multiple reads and reads happen on the same platter at the same time
15:50<rryoumaa>idle being the class
15:50<valdyn>rryoumaa: no way of scheduling will properly fix that
15:51<valdyn>rryoumaa: i meant reads and writes of course
15:51<rryoumaa>valdyn: no doubt :) but i want linux to be smart enough to not screw up video and user input
15:51<valdyn>rryoumaa: it does not
15:51<rryoumaa>well, something does
15:51<valdyn>rryoumaa: maybe you have another issue, like no enough ram
15:52<svchost>he has same issue i have probably\
15:52<valdyn>rryoumaa: or maybe youre using an exotic filesystem that just does behave badly
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15:52<rryoumaa>ext4 doesn't feel exotic to me
15:52<rryoumaa>i have 4gb ram
15:52<valdyn>thats right
15:52<svchost>i never heard of debian till yesterday and only came here because my forensics lead me to file list on website
15:53<rryoumaa>and i have a quad
15:53<valdyn>rryoumaa: the processor is quite irrelevant
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15:53<rryoumaa>sounds like the kernel to me then
15:53<valdyn>rryoumaa: that manpage is at least misleading, harddisk idle scheduling by works does not work as nice as cpu schedlung
15:53<svchost>simiarly, i have infected kernel at EFS level,
15:54<valdyn>omg, i cant type
15:54<valdyn>rryoumaa: harddisk idle scheduling does by far not work as nice as cpu idle scheduling
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15:54<svchost>minikernel with drivers and files listed as CORE_DXE loads upon CMOS/POST and kernel is persitant across all activity. on my side =\
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15:55<valdyn>rryoumaa: if you specify exactly what you need i may be able to suggest a solution
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15:56<svchost>whats easiest way to find a way to interface with debian o/s if i have no knowledge of and never have installed before but if it is a persistent installation regardless
15:56<valdyn>svchost: that depends on what you want to do with it
15:56<svchost>like is there a method to install a terminal/shell or something...? Because the files i went to that the infection uses says taht it will not update config or file settings upon restart if i use that version
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15:57<valdyn>svchost: sounds like a live cd
15:57<rryoumaa>valdyn: i just want this process not to make the system not respond to user input and not to stutter video
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15:58<valdyn>rryoumaa: so the video comes from the harddisk
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15:58<rryoumaa>valdyn: i don't know if we can conclude that, but yes, it comes from the hard drive
15:58<valdyn>rryoumaa: you have like 3 concurrent reads with 1 write on one and the same disk
15:59<valdyn>rryoumaa: that has to destroy performance
15:59<rryoumaa>what about user input?
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15:59<rryoumaa>surely the kernel can be bashed into understanding that i don't care about real-time backups
15:59<valdyn>rryoumaa: im just guessing that your specific user input is doing something with the disk
15:59<rryoumaa>valdyn: nope
16:00<rryoumaa>definitely all in memory (unless there are swapping issues, which i have not noticed)
16:00<svchost>if you got same thing as me, then the kernel and the system does it for you :)
16:00<svchost>yeah in GP Memory as well
16:00<svchost>RAM, NVRAM, and onboard or extenable Video mem
16:00<valdyn>rryoumaa: because linux (excluding disk access) should hardly be affected at all by your background disk activity
16:00<rryoumaa>we're talking e.g. mouse
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16:01<valdyn>rryoumaa: maybe you have seperate hardware problems, but i cannot easily diagnose that via irc
16:01<rryoumaa>i agree, i'd like it not to be affected at all. i do recall, however, that this has been a problem for many years in linux. any large file transfer just kills user input.
16:01<valdyn>rryoumaa: it doesnt
16:02<rryoumaa>well, it did on woody for me, and it does on wheezy for me, is all i can say
16:02<valdyn>rryoumaa: and in the past it did for a write starving reads, but not concurrent reads
16:02<rryoumaa>not for you obviously, but debian has always had this problem in my experience
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16:02<valdyn>rryoumaa: you are right as far as this is a bad workload
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16:02<rryoumaa>even from one hd to another
16:02<valdyn>rryoumaa: but - its not a linux-specific or even debian-specific problem
16:03<rryoumaa>that i cannot confirm
16:03<valdyn>rryoumaa: i do everything concurrently, not at all affected
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16:03<valdyn>rryoumaa: but then i dont have just one disk
16:03<rryoumaa>(i get that it does not happen to you)
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16:03<rryoumaa>it happens even when i transfer to another drive
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16:04<valdyn>rryoumaa: when your disk is writing concurrently, it can slow down *very* badly already
16:04<valdyn>rryoumaa: and disks have cache
16:04<rryoumaa>and when it is not, it should not, but the system does
16:04<valdyn>rryoumaa: reads (that are required for good latency) cant be done before the on disk cache is empty
16:05<valdyn>rryoumaa: and thats a real problem that linux cannot do anything about (nor can any OS)
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16:05<rryoumaa>and it is not a relevant problem when the problem occurs from one hd to another without anyother disk access, right?
16:05<rryoumaa>so maybe we should look elsewhere for the problem?
16:05<svchost>Question so is it just a simple terminal that debian uses on the livecd? ?? tools for analyzing memory or anything? I already see livecd as part of /boot without a cdrom installed... so thats probably an issue?
16:05<valdyn>rryoumaa: when you need low latency read while a disk is being written to then that is not possible
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16:06<rryoumaa>valdyn: i think we are not understanding each other at all
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16:06<valdyn>rryoumaa: maybe
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16:06<valdyn>rryoumaa: i cant even say about what kind of latency you are talking about
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16:07<rryoumaa>i feel like i said the same thing a bunch of times, namely that it happens when transferring from one hd to another without any other hd access, and i feel like you have ignored this several times, and continued talking about the same thing. perhaps i have misunderstood what you are saying.
16:07<valdyn>rryoumaa: mplayer would usually fixed by "mplayer -cache 16000"
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16:07<oldlaptop>rryoumaa: Is swap being heavily utilized?
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16:07<rryoumaa>oldlaptop: not as far as i can tell, but gkrellm is the only way i have determined this
16:07<valdyn>rryoumaa: i know that part, but it does not help much to alleviate the problem if the disk where you write to is the same disk some other process wants to read from
16:08<rryoumaa>i cannot fix that problem at this time, and the problem is just as bad to another disk
16:08<rryoumaa>so it is irrelevant
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16:08<valdyn>rryoumaa: now if you are saying that only the disk where no writes happen is actiing slow, then the 2nd disk is helping
16:08<valdyn>(or should be helping)
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16:09<rryoumaa>ok, the problem has nothing to do with how many disks i use. period. i ahve verified this. it is just as bad no matter how many disks i use. therefore, fixing that is not a fix at all.
16:09<valdyn>rryoumaa: ok
16:09<valdyn>rryoumaa: then you have a hardware problem
16:09<rryoumaa>so i don't think it is productive to keep talking about that theoretical problem.
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16:10<rryoumaa>i don't think so
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16:11<valdyn>mouse hanging is a hardware problem most probably
16:11<valdyn>video stuttering may or may not be
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16:11<rryoumaa>keyboard also stops working
16:11<valdyn>same deal
16:12<valdyn>hardware problem
16:12<valdyn>i suggest you update your bios first
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16:12<rryoumaa>well, if all three are not working, and if the same problem was historically a problem on debian, then i doubt hardware
16:12<valdyn>which OS do you use for comparison?
16:13<rryoumaa>woody
16:13<rryoumaa>and sarge
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16:13<rryoumaa>and now wheezy
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16:14<valdyn>and where does it not happen?
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16:18<saiyan>can i make HTML documents in nano?
16:18<towo`>no one knows, if you can
16:19<towo`>no one knows your html-skills
16:19<rryoumaa>saiyan: yes
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16:20<saiyan>lol
16:20*rryoumaa likes straight answers
16:20<wompa>nano even has syntax highlighting for html
16:21<alumno>hola como se cambia el nombre de usuario de mi usuario
16:21<alumno>recien instalo huayra
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16:22<svchost>why is there an anrchist cookbook and king james bible in the wheezy build... gah i need to get off this computer
16:22<wompa>anarchist cookbook?
16:22<wompa>what package is that?
16:22<svchost>the wheezy/amd64 i was compaining about earlier
16:23<svchost>under documentation...
16:23<svchost>nevermind its a dcoumentation on anarchmis and theory
16:23<svchost>anarchism and theory/practice of it
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16:24<svchost>https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/doc/anarchism
16:24<wompa>oh, not that kind of cookbook I thought ;(
16:24<centrx>Yeah that's not the Anarchist's Cookbook
16:25<svchost>i know
16:25<svchost>jumped that one... but why is this and bible in documentation
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16:25<towo`>why not?
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16:26<svchost>hahah why? how is that documentation for a build...? its got like a thousand documents someone just put their favorite text files in it and call it a day?
16:26<rryoumaa>are there rules that prohibit any dfsg-free book?
16:27<rryoumaa>could the repo contain, say, all dfsg-free books out there?
16:27<towo`>svchost, what is your real problem?
16:27<centrx>The Bible ones at least have an interface for searching and correlating text
16:27<towo`>since over an hour i don't get it
16:27*rryoumaa just to clarify, says he has no problem, just curious
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16:29<saiyan>how do i install a tar file again?
16:29<svchost>since over an hour?
16:29<wompa>saiyan, do you mean extract or create?
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16:31<saiyan>extract
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16:32<svchost>yes... because no one really seems to have an answer. hard to explain without mindful ear... that amd64 directory has every interface, driver, utilitiy, tool, and file system to cover everything in existence... and thats exactly why i ended up here.
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16:33<mask>where are chat logs for xchat stored in debian?
16:33<svchost>your right though, i need to move on and wait for SANS to finish the memdump... just thought someone might know something. sorry to bug towo
16:34<sney>mask: ~/.xchat/xchatlogs I think.
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16:35<towo`>~/.xchat2/xchatlogs
16:35<sney>was close :)
16:35<wompa>saiyan, tar -xf file.tar
16:35<wompa>man tar for more options ;)
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16:36<mask>sney, towo, thanks much
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16:36<sney>hexchat is in sid and testing now, and should be in wheezy-backports soonish
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16:39<saiyan>thanks wompa
16:39<mask>i've been wanting to install an equivalent for cpu-z in debian, seems like the best choice is i-nex but it says one of the dependencies is gambas3, how would i check compatability for i-nex in debian and see if there are any known issues with gambas3?
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16:39<saiyan>what if its a tar.gz file?
16:39<saiyan>anything different
16:40<towo`>you could read the manpage of tar
16:42<sney>!refcard
16:42<dpkg>A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>.
16:42<sney>saiyan: ^ this includes some common tar commands/options, as well as a bunch of other stuff that you should probably know
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16:47<saiyan>thanks
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16:52<oldlaptop>saiyan: it's always a good idea to read a command's manpage when you have a question about it
16:52<saiyan>gotcha
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17:04<saiyan>whats a good music player thats only in terminal
17:04<centrx>saiyan, mpg123, mplayer
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17:05<towo`>moc
17:05<oldlaptop>mpd is the best thing to happen to music since digitization
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17:05<oldlaptop>mpd itself has no UI at all - you connect to it with a client
17:05<ncl>ncmpcncpncmmcpncp is a good mpd client
17:06<ncl>(ncmpcpp)
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17:06<oldlaptop>mpd clients do exist for pretty much any platform and UI paradigm you can think of
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17:07<oldlaptop>bare commandline, ncurses, qt, gtk+, android, web/PHP(!)...
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17:09<[UP]Crystal>Hello everyone! I'm trying to generate ssh key via this command: #ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 32768 -N 12345
17:09<[UP]Crystal>And it gives me this message: key bits exceeds maximum 16384
17:09<[UP]Crystal>Is there any way to generate more bits than 16384 ?
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17:11<oldlaptop>[UP]Crystal: I hope that's not a root prompt
17:11<valdyn>[UP]Crystal: what would be the point of creating such a key?
17:11<[UP]Crystal>Doesn't matter what point :)
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17:12<[UP]Crystal>And doesn't matter if I use root or user prompt. I got the same message...
17:12<valdyn>[UP]Crystal: your computer could not generate primes large enough for such a key to make sense anyway
17:13<[UP]Crystal>But why this possible with putty-gen under Windows ?
17:13<valdyn>[UP]Crystal: but feel free to modify the source code
17:13<rudi_s>oldlaptop: What's wrong with a root prompt?
17:13<oldlaptop>doing random stuff as root is bad practice
17:13<oldlaptop>such as generating ssh keys, for instance
17:13<valdyn>[UP]Crystal: putty gen is a different program, of course it can do things differently
17:13<oldlaptop>or *using* ssh keys, for that matter
17:13<rudi_s>oldlaptop: Well, generating ssh (host) keys as root sounds sane to me. - Not with those bit sizes though.
17:14<valdyn>[UP]Crystal: that does not imply that such a key makes practical sense
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17:14<oldlaptop>rudi_s: host keys, sure
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17:14<oldlaptop>although it's also completely sane to just let Debian packaging/maintainer scripts take care of that for you...
17:15<rudi_s>oldlaptop: Not if you want to create bigger keys.
17:15<valdyn>maybe he wants a terminal ssh session to cause 100% cpu load
17:15<rudi_s>[UP]Crystal: Those keys won't provide you with more security.
17:15<rudi_s>:D
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17:15<[UP]Crystal>In fact yes, it's just interest
17:15<oldlaptop>until quantum RSA cracking rolls around, anyhow
17:16<oldlaptop>in which case no practical key is likely to be useful
17:17<[UP]Crystal>O, understood. Thanks guys for quick reply! Have a nice one!
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17:19<meme>hi, im mounted my harddrive as /media/hardrive2/
17:19<meme>however, command ls dosnt work, suggestion
17:19<meme>?
17:19<oldlaptop>can you be more specific?
17:19<oldlaptop>what does it do wrong?
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17:20<meme>well, it dosnt list the content (working from putty)
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17:21<oldlaptop>are you sure the drive is mounted?
17:21<oldlaptop>do you see it when you run 'mount' ?
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17:23<meme>well.. thats strange, i mounted them via gui with root before i went away from the computer
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17:23<meme>it seems not to be mounted but why are they showing up in /media/ if they not mountet?
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17:24<meme>lsblk -o NAME,FSTYPE,SIZE,MOUNTPOINT,LABEL
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17:24<meme>dosnt show any mountpoint
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17:24<meme>shall i try mount them again and see whats happens? ^^
17:25<rudi_s>meme: Sounds good.
17:25<rudi_s>The directories normally stay there, even if you unmount the partition.
17:25<rudi_s>(Not sure about GUI automounting in /media/ though, never used that.)
17:27<meme>rudi_s well, i think that tricked me.. all the devices seems to be unmounted but the folders are still there.
17:27<rudi_s>meme: Use mount to find out what is actually mounted (lsblk works too).
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17:29<meme>rudi_s by running lsblk, you mean check "mountpoint" ?
17:29<rudi_s>meme: Yes.
17:29<rudi_s>Or just use mount.
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17:29<rudi_s>mount | grep /media
17:30<meme>mount gives me full of text, hard to read (need better eyes) however lsblk shows me only one is mounted.
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17:30<rudi_s>meme: That should be all the information you need ;-)
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17:31<meme>rudi_s mount | grep /media does what?
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17:31<rudi_s>meme: It filters the mount output and displays only lines matching "/media" (without the quotes).
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17:31<rudi_s>*which lists all devices mounted in /media.
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17:32<meme>rudi_s saving that command, well it tells me.. nothing! (maybe because i havnt mounted anything, lol)
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17:34<meme>oh.. shit... now i remember.. when i mounted first time i used a user and not rool.. maybe thats why they are not mounted as root..
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17:34<rudi_s>meme: If you get no output, it means nothing is mounted there.
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17:35<rudi_s>Mounting is a global action, it's either mounted or it isn't. Doesn't depend on the user.
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17:35<rryoumaa>i wonder how rsa key generation time scales with length
17:35<meme>rudi_s yeah.. well im new at this, i see that.. well i gotta mount them now
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17:36<rudi_s>meme: Just mount it with mount /path/to/device /path/to/mountpoint, e.g. mount /dev/sdf /media/stick
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17:36<r4ph431>hi, I've a couple a question about hibernation. 1) in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount/resume , what's that final /bin/resume ?
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17:38<r4ph431>[my goal is to know how the system detect beetwen resume and normal boots]
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17:39<oldlaptop>you may be in the wrong debian channel
17:40<r4ph431>which one would be more adapted ?
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17:43<oldlaptop>maaaaaaybe #debian-kernel?
17:43<r4ph431>ok, thx
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18:27<dutchfish>hi, can ayone explain me if expat license is generally accepted for a new debian package, either as main or contributed?
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18:29<dutchfish>also known as MIT license
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18:36<chealer>dutchfish: did you check https://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#The_MIT_License ?
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18:37<k0fee>i'd like to have nautilus launch with the command "nautilus --no-desktop" system wide
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18:37<k0fee>what's the best way to do that?
18:38<dutchfish>chealer, thank you
18:40<dutchfish>chealer, so if it is like X window system it should be accepted
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18:43<oldlaptop>anything which meets these guidelines is fine: https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
18:44<oldlaptop>the Open Source Definition maintained by the OSI is almost identical: http://opensource.org/osd
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18:45<dutchfish>oldlaptop, thank you
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18:56<chealer>dutchfish: indeed
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19:55<saiyan>irc chat goes pretty slow huh?
19:56<h3ck4r>Yes
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19:58<morish>mensaje grupo
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19:58<saiyan>so do we all just wait around til someone needs help?
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19:59<mtn>saiyan: no, you need to go break something so we can help you!
19:59<saiyan>lol
19:59<sney>saiyan: #debian stays idle when nobody needs help, but there are other channels like #debian-offtopic where you can just talk about stuff
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20:02<saiyan>whats a good program to code html/css and javascript on for debian
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20:02<sney>vim
20:02<saiyan>does it show when theres a syntax error
20:04<sney>it has highlighting yes
20:04<saiyan>thanks
20:04<sney>!start an editor war
20:04<dpkg>nvi users need to get laid.
20:06<wompa>saiyan, html files can be processed by https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/tidy for instance
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20:23<baritone>hello ! any repository with xserver-xorg-video-intel supporting Haswell-ULT ?.. im stuck with mirrored display..kports are not fresh enough for Gigabyte Brix GB-BXi7H-4500...
20:23<baritone>backports
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20:29<Psi-Jack>Can Debian 7.4.0's installer partition GPT, or does that have to be done elsewhere first?
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20:31<terabird>hmm.. tried autoboot drives using UUID in fstab, however, does this work even with drives with NTFS format?
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20:33<sney>Psi-Jack: it can, it just needs to boot in efi mode
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20:35<Psi-Jack>Boot in EFI mode?
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20:36<Psi-Jack>I see currently the installer sees all my GPT partitions, but I need to delete most of them and re-do it, since I'm rebuilding a server from scratch.
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20:39<Psi-Jack>Heh, seems to "just work" as long as the disk is already GPT. ;)
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21:10<frlttrwrd>how do I check if my computer needs non-free firmware during installation?
21:12<Psi-Jack>Well, do you have any propriatery hardware, such as a wireless nic?
21:15<frlttrwrd>I don't have a wireless nic. but for the rest of the hardware, I don't know. that's why I asked. :)
21:16<Psi-Jack>Mostly that's non-free "firmware" is for NIC, wireless, or ethernet, and video card.
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21:19<saiyan>usually it will tell you if you need non-free firmware
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21:30<Psi-Jack>Hmm, that's odd..
21:31<Psi-Jack>I installed Debian 7.4.0 from DVD, told it I did NOT want a desktop environment, only SSH server... And up pops a graphical GDM login and Gnome Shell afterwards.. WTF yo?
21:31<centrx>Psi-Jack, Possibly something else you said you wanted required the graphical environment?
21:32<Psi-Jack>No
21:32<centrx>Psi-Jack, I generally avoid tasksel for this reason
21:32<centrx>Psi-Jack, You can uninstall it
21:32<Psi-Jack>This was a text-mode install, very simple, very basic.. Told it not to install a desktop, and it did anyway. :(
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21:36<Psi-Jack>And it didn't even bother to add the deb line for wheezy, just the cdrom. :/
21:36<Psi-Jack>and security it did add..
21:36<centrx>:(
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22:52<saiyan>how do i rice out my desktop
22:53<centrx>saiyan, "Themes"
22:54<saiyan>where are themes lol
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22:55<centrx>saiyan, A theme is a set of visual and behavior configuration and graphics for an app
22:55<saiyan>i said where not what
22:55<saiyan>like where do you get themes
22:56<centrx>Oh well it depends on what you are theming
22:56<saiyan>didnt intend for that to sound angry
22:56<saiyan>or insulting
22:56<saiyan>like I want my desktop to have a terminal window with no border for an irc client
22:56<centrx>Good, we wouldn't want to have a flame ware
22:56<centrx>war
22:56<saiyan>thats just a widget on the desktop
22:56<saiyan>and maybe another music program in terminal too
22:57<centrx>saiyan, What desktop environment/window manager are you using?
22:57<saiyan>debian/gnome i think
22:57<saiyan>how do i check the window manager?
22:57<centrx>If it is Gnome you are using the Gnome window manager whatever it is called
22:57<centrx>saiyan, Here is one themes site for Gnome: http://gnome-look.org/
22:57<saiyan>how do i check what window manager i have
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22:57<saiyan>is there some terminal command
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22:59<saiyan>sorry accidentally logged out
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23:01<centrx>It is Gnome, that is the important thing
23:02<centrx>You can find out what window manager Gnome has, but you want themes for Gnome
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