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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-03-11

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01:17<terravires>hi all, I'm using wheezy and have a dual TV tuner and a USB webcam, all work but I'm having trouble keeping their /dev/videoX numbers from changing on boot. Can someone assist with udev rules to force numbers?
01:18<terravires>I have webcam rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/00-webcam.rules, and it makes a link to /dev/webcam, any rules I make ignore /dev/videoX entries
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01:54<ila_korea>hello
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02:06<ila_korea>Samba server and AD trust anybody know how to configure
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02:11<ila_korea>Samba server and AD trust anybody know how to configure?
02:11<ila_korea>Please help me!
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02:22<Liquid>Hello all I know that they say that there isn't much out there in the wild that will effect linux but I was wondering if I would be
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02:23<Liquid>At risk if I was to set up a second cable modem on my network for guest to use
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02:23<willemb>Hi guys
02:23<willemb>how is this possible:
02:23<Liquid>And I'll have my own private modem and router as will they
02:24<willemb>runninh exim under strace points out that exim gets a permission denied on reading exim.key for starttls. However, when I su to user exim, i can cd into the directory it is in and cat it
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02:26<jm_>willemb: strace as which user?
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02:30<willemb>jm_: thanks
02:30<willemb>problem ended up being that the file must belong to the debian-exim user, not just the debian-exim group
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02:31<ila_korea>Samba is a trust set up as patches changed?
02:31<ila_korea>?
02:31<ila_korea>I wonder that
02:32<jm_>ila_korea: is your question related to debian somehow?
02:36<Liquid>Mine was
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02:43<ila_korea>I just set Debian7.0 patch that has been swapped to the curious.
02:45<ila_korea>I'm korean, so not good at English. please understand that
02:47<jm_>do you have a problem with debian?
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02:49<ila_korea>yes
02:49<ila_korea>debian samba trust problem
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02:52<jm_>people will have a hard time helping if they can't understand what your problem is
02:52<skainz>hi. someone in here with knowledge about monotone? i'm looking for an equivalent of git ls-remote for monotone.
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03:00<ila_korea>Okay, im sorry
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03:00<jm_>there's no need to apologize, but perhaps try explaining more about your problem
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03:01<ila_korea>After collecting the problem I will get help.
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03:14<kolport>Hi guys, just one question. Is there a straightforward way to install compton compositing on Debian 7 Xfce?
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04:23<kolport>Hi guys, i have just one question. I'd like to use compton compositing on my debian stable. I found a .deb in crunchbang repositories. Is it safe to install it from there?
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04:23<weasel>in general, 3rd party .debs can be anything from horrible to fine.
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04:26<kolport>weasel: Yes, i know, trying to make sure. I've been thinking of compton in my Xfce screen tearing issue, and read that it's the most stable second choice. And i've seen corenominal created a .deb for Crunchbang, based on Wheezy, so basically i'm wondering wat to do now :)
04:26<kolport>It has entered Jessie, though.
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04:27<Infiltrator>,v corenominal
04:27<judd>No package named 'corenominal' was found in i386.
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04:28<kolport>no no, the guy who does crunchbang, packaged 'compton' for crunchbang. That in turn is supposed to be completely compatible with wheezy.
04:28<kolport>if i understood correctly
04:28<Infiltrator>,v compton
04:28<judd>Package: compton on i386 -- jessie: 0.1~beta2-1; sid: 0.1~beta2-1
04:28<kolport>his username is corenominal :D
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04:29<Infiltrator>Even though it's not recommended, I would prefer to pull in the jessie package to a 3rd-party .deb.
04:30<kolport>Infiltrator: thank you :) That's what i've been asking. Thanks for your help guys
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04:30<Infiltrator>kolport: I didn't say do it. :P
04:31<Infiltrator>kolport: Wait for somebody wiser than I to say something here.
04:31<kolport>Infiltrator: i know :D i just meant what's safer, but am aware that none of the two is to be labeled safe :D Haha :)
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04:31<kolport>But the screen tearing with default compositing is truly dreadful
04:32<kolport>But i had stints with xubuntu and suse xfce, and compton did wonders there.
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04:47<maferv>I'm trying to compile Amaya which fails because (I assume) tries to find the libraries in /usr/lib, while Wheezy i386 holds them in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu. Example output is \ checking for GL/glu.h... yes \ checking for -lGL... no \ checking for -lMesaGL... no
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04:48<maferv>OpenGL dev packages are installed, but I don't know what to do to overcome this. Is there a workaround, even if dirty?
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04:49<Infiltrator>maferv: Is it a Makefile or autotools?
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04:51<maferv>I have first to configure and then make, that's autotools, right?
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04:55<jm_>maferv: how is it looking for GL?
04:55<SynrG>maferv: and i'm assuming it's failing simply because you don't have the headers
04:55<SynrG>which are in the corresponding -dev packages for the libraries
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04:58<SynrG>maferv: do you have libgl1-mesa-dev installed?
04:59<SynrG>maferv: i mean, you say "OpenGL dev packages are installed" but you don't say which ones
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05:00<maferv>libgl1-mesa-dev libegl1-mesa-dev libglu1-mesa-dev
05:00<maferv>those are installed
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05:00<SynrG>so figure out how configure is looking for it
05:00<SynrG>it should 'just work'
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05:01<SynrG>and no, configure then make is not proof it's autotools, though it's a pretty good indication it may be
05:02<SynrG>directly examine the configure script
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05:02<SynrG>"Generated by GNU autoconf ... blahblah" ...
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05:06<maferv>yes, that's exactly what it says SynrG http://pastebin.com/Did3wP27
05:06<maferv>I was tinkering with the value GL_LIBRARIES
05:07<Infiltrator>!tell maferv -about pastebin.com
05:07<maferv>trying to add /i386-linux-gnu in each GL_LIBRARIES
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05:08<maferv>but I'm too useless and ignorant to solve this. After googling and trying a lot, I came here
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05:10<Infiltrator>maferv: You might have better luck in the project's channel; but what does `pkgconfig --cflags GL` give?
05:11<jm_>it doesn't look like it's using pkg-config at all
05:11<SynrG>lines 13863 -
05:11<maferv>paste.debian.net didn't let me paste, "Length of code is not allowed to exceed 150kB"
05:12<jm_>it would be better to add 'set -x' and then paste just the part when it's dealing with GL
05:12<maferv>No package 'GL' found Infiltrator
05:12<SynrG>as i said, ^^ lines above :)
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05:13<jm_>maferv: it's "gl", not "GL"
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05:14<SynrG>mesa-common-dev: /usr/include/GL/gl.h
05:14<SynrG>that's what it's looking for
05:14<SynrG>do you have mesa-common-dev installed?
05:14<maferv>pkg-config --cflags gl shows nothing
05:14<maferv>yes SynrG
05:15<maferv>configure says 'checking for GL/gl.h... yes'
05:15<SynrG>then the test shouldn't fail. are you sure you're checking the same system that you're building on and the system that has these -dev packages?
05:15<SynrG>ah
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05:15<maferv>but fails with 'checking for -lGL... no'
05:15<SynrG> checking for -lGL... no \ checking for -lMesaGL... no
05:16<SynrG>no ...
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05:16<jm_>if pkg-cofngi doesn't find it then you really don't have it installed
05:16<SynrG> Wheezy i386 holds them in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu. Example output is \ checking for GL/glu.h... yes \
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05:16<SynrG>it said checking for GL/glu.h... yes
05:16<SynrG>that's what you reported earlier
05:16<maferv>yes
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05:16<SynrG>well, you just said checking for GL/gl.h... yes
05:16<SynrG>unless there's something you're not telling us, it doesn't.
05:17<maferv>what doesn't?
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05:17<jm_>do you have libgl1-mesa-dev installed? or has someone already asked?
05:17<SynrG>GL/glu.h is not GL/gl.h
05:17<maferv>yes, it's installed jm_
05:17<SynrG>one letter different
05:17<SynrG>and the only way checking for -lGL... no would happen is if you were missing mesa-common-dev
05:18<maferv>http://paste.debian.net/87065/
05:18<SynrG>ah, right. different test. see. nice to have context :)
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05:19<jm_>maferv: ahh nevermind, it says nothing, it doesn't report an error, so that's OK
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05:20<themill>Is this configure script doing something silly like not checking multiarch paths?
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05:21<maferv>the full configure output http://paste.debian.net/87067/
05:21<maferv>that's what I think themill
05:22<jm_>-lGL should still find it even if it's using -L/usr/lib or whatever
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05:22<maferv>this is the latest Amaya release, it's from january 2012
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05:24<themill>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-amaya/2012JanMar/0009.html
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05:26<SynrG>mhm. red herring. it's a wxWidgets problem
05:26<SynrG>which we should've seen
05:26<SynrG>and just before i saw you paste that URL, that's what i had concluded :)
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05:27<SynrG>ah well. no points for being right too late ;)
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05:29<maferv>well, thanks, I found this http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/13375 long ago, but I just didn't understand it well, maybe if I apply this patch to the wxWidgets folder in Amaya's source
05:30<maferv>themill, I think I'll try with the latest sources from git first
05:30<SynrG>and yay. sounds like a real winner of a package ... fixed aeons ago and latest release doesn't have vital patch to build on a modern OS
05:30<SynrG>why are you even bothering?
05:30<themill>yeah, I love browsers with no security support.
05:31<SynrG>it's not like there aren't other, better-supported webkit-based browsers
05:32<SynrG>double fail. every helper here should have asked "why are you doing this, maferv?" before expending energy on it :p
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05:33<maferv>oh, I know this perhaps isn't very interesting to you all really, but since Amaya is backed by the W3C I wanted to give it a try
05:34<SynrG>"is" or "was"?
05:35<maferv>heh, yeah, I guess it was
05:35<SynrG>" It is used to demonstrate these technologies in action while taking advantage of their combination in a single, consistent environment."
05:35<SynrG>i.e. this is a reference implementation and not something you should really use :p
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05:36<SynrG>w3c is in the standards business, not the web browsers business.
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05:38<maferv>you are right SynrG
05:39<maferv>I also wanted to see how it works as a WYSIWYG editor
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05:40<SynrG>https://github.com/w3c/Amaya-Editor/commits/master
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05:40<SynrG>not exactly a "going concern"
05:41<SynrG>not entirely abandoned, but just a tiny trickle of commits in a two year period, all by one guy
05:42<SynrG>maybe check out git and try building that?
05:42<SynrG>he did a version# bump more recent than 2012 ...
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05:43<maferv>yes, that's what I'm doing now SynrG
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05:45<SynrG>what's Amaya-Editor vs Amaya on github?
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05:45<SynrG>Amaya-Editor is more recently updated. and that's what i ended up browsing to from here: http://www.w3.org/Amaya/User/cvs.html#github
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05:46<SynrG>confusing
05:46<SynrG>and the README.md points back to /Amaya :p
05:46<maferv>yes, exactly, Amaya-Editor seems to be newer
05:46<maferv>it's really confusing
05:48<SynrG>oh, nice. really classy. did you get this little note at http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ ?
05:48<SynrG>"The application was jointly developed by W3C and the WAM project (Web, Adaptation and Multimedia) at INRIA. It is no more developed."
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05:48<maferv>no, I didn't notice it :-/
05:49<maferv>anyway
05:49<maferv>now, trying to compile Amaya-Editor the bastard fails again, it seems to be needing the entire wxWidgets source code, as the Amaya tarball provided
05:50<SynrG>you think maybe the web masters would respond to a request to put that at the *top* of the page, in bold? :)
05:50<SynrG>"hey, no security, and it probably won't even build ... good luck!"
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05:51<maferv>yes, that would be kind of them. Anyway I suspect I'm the only (or one of the few) idiot trying to compile it
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05:58<SynrG>maferv: status of the project: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-amaya/2013AprJun/0003.html
05:59<SynrG>maferv: and no, you're not the only one with problems. a quick perusal of the user list shows other people with problems with GL
06:00<SynrG>maferv: if you are going forward with this, I think you should sub to the list and speak up
06:00<SynrG>however, without a new lead developer, the project is going nowhere
06:01<SynrG>it would be nice, at least, to add the voice of the debian community about the shabby state of the pages for the project ... to save users further aggravation
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06:01<SynrG>maferv: would you be willing to do that?
06:01<SynrG>we did invest some effort here, and i would hate to think it was wasted.
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06:06<maferv>ok, I will SynrG
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06:11<SynrG>maferv: things to include "it took an hour of irc support involving three helpers before we noticed the subtle note on your home page saying the project isn't developed any more." "the source won't build." "a fix has been known for two years and no new release is made incorporating the fix, nor any note about it on the Source page." "several users complained about it on the mailing list <link1> <link2> ... and everyone overlooked the answer ...
06:11<SynrG>... given in 2012 about it <link> ..." etc.
06:12<SynrG>(that is, assuming you try the solution and it works :)
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06:16<maferv>well SynrG, now I think the solution is rather easy. Now that we now that the problem I reported has to do with wxWidgets source in the Amaya tarball being old and incompatible with the multi-arch system, a simple workaround is configuring with the option --enable-system-wx
06:16<SynrG>yay
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06:19<maferv>it configures, but it's not that easy, it doesn't make. I'll keep trying and later I'll report any news
06:20<SynrG>p.s. you probably want to look at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522418#5
06:20<SynrG>mind you, that removal was long before the latest public release in 2012 ...
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06:21<SynrG>http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=amaya
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06:25<SynrG>maferv: but so far as I can see, those vulnerabilities remain open. http://secunia.com/advisories/34531 etc.
06:26<SynrG>and nothing in the "Release History" that would indicate closure of those vulnerabilities
06:26<SynrG>so, big red flags that in its current state *nobody* should be using this package.
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06:28<maferv>thank you for your research and advices SynrG
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06:38<rfree>any good program to really edit an pdf?
06:38<rfree>like, if you get a pdf with form to fill in
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06:40<petn-randall>rfree: Last time I checked, only the adobe acrobat could do that, no free software PDF viewer.
06:40<petn-randall>rfree: If you find out that statement is wrong, I'll be happy to know about it.
06:40*babilen used Evince and Okular in the past, but acroread is probably the safest bet
06:41<rfree>fuck you adobe, you stupid mother fuckers
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06:41<babilen>rfree: That is totally inappropriate. Please try to keep it professional and family friendly in here.
06:41<petn-randall>rfree: I can feel your pain, but please keep it nice and family-friendly here.
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06:42<combe>hello wrold
06:42<SynrG>i think both evince and okular can read and fill PDF forms
06:42<combe>你好,世界。
06:42<babilen>combe: Can we help you with anything Debian related?
06:42<SynrG>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PDF_forms
06:43<SynrG>(yes, i know that's for arch linux, but it gives a good overview)
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06:43<combe>An error occurred while setup was examining drives
06:43<SynrG>the key is to search for "pdf forms", not "edit pdf" because the former apparently has some standards and is narrowly focused on form-filling. the latter is generally not an easy problem to solve.
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06:44<SynrG>combe: are you trying to install debian?
06:44<petn-randall>I've had a few PDFs that had some javascript embedded to enable/disable checkboxes depending on other checkboxes. That didn't work with evince. But IIRC I checked that with wheezy's version.
06:45<SynrG>petn-randall: yes. as the link i gave says :)
06:45<combe>Yes, I first in use xubuntu
06:45<SynrG>maybe okular does a better job?
06:46<combe>I want to install Debian
06:46<petn-randall>SynrG: I know, the new info is that it's a JS engine missing in them.
06:46<SynrG>combe: i see. can you please show us the exact error?
06:46<combe>But when installing DVD is not detected
06:46<SynrG>combe: can you please also give us the link to the image you're using to install debian?
06:47<SynrG>the URL, i mean
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06:47<combe>Look no, I is installed before. Use U disk to install the network installation version.
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06:47<babilen>petn-randall: You raise a valid point in that I am probably biased by my experiences with the evince version in unstable
06:48<babilen>combe: Do you install from USB?
06:48<combe>yes
06:48<babilen>combe: Did you use unetbootin?
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06:49<combe>yes
06:49<babilen>dpkg: tell combe -about unetbootin
06:49<SynrG>combe: don't use it.
06:49<babilen>dpkg: tell combe -about usb install
06:49<combe>What should I do?
06:50<SynrG>combe: see the messages dpkg bot sent you.
06:50<babilen>combe: You can and should just copy the image *directly* to the stick. Assuming your usb stick is /dev/sdb the command to do that would be "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" (make sure that you get the device node for your USB right, check "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in)
06:51<combe>Thank you
06:51<babilen>combe: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? Why did you choose the DVD image?
06:51<SynrG>but do make sure you get the device name correct. :)
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06:51<babilen>*triple-check* the device name! :)
06:52<babilen>dpkg: tell combe -about install debian
06:52<combe>I use the network installation version
06:52<babilen>dpkg: tell combe -about firmware image
06:52<SynrG>combe: for removable media, most OSes don't require you to be root to do this copy. so to be really safe, don't do it as root.
06:52<babilen>combe: You might want to consider using the firmware image if your hardware requires it (e.g. network cards, radeon graphic cards, ...)
06:53<combe>Think you
06:53<combe>I have been installed in the virtual machine test, well.
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07:12<rfree>babilen: you know actually the suggested action seems needed to have a family
07:13<rfree>I guess acroread is not in any repo and is not a program that seems "secure"?
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07:47<SynrG>rfree: i think even those without a family can appreciate the "professional" part of that request. that sort of language is not appropriate here.
07:48<SynrG>(yes, i know you were just trying to deflect with humor, but it's a serious concern)
07:49<SynrG>rfree: did you look at the other suggestions i linked to?
07:49<SynrG>i don't think you're necessarily stuck with acroread. you should at least try the alternatives before giving up on it
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08:11<ila_korea>hello
08:12<ila_korea>hello lady and gentlemen
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08:13<DudeMcDudeness>Hello.
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08:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:02<rfree>SynrG: I was making a statement about political correctness. But that's offtopic and not that important now anyway
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09:03<rfree>SynrG: I've given up and used gimp
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09:03<rfree>which printer (inkjet color) would be best for debian in low-mid price range (home/office)? And same question for printer+scaner
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09:10<SynrG>rfree: re OT/PC i think it's on-topic, and wanted to remind you that "professionalism" isn't about being PC, but rather keeping the mood of this place something *above* a locker-room or bar. so please respect that.
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09:10<SynrG>rfree: given up after trying evince and okular both?
09:10<SynrG>rfree: i would be interested to hear about what problems you encountered.
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09:19<ph0b0s>guys, i'm trying to connect to my debian box with ssh using a dyndns url which actually works (checked through port 80). the client complains that the certificate fingerprint has changed which is true. i've already generated new public certificates on the server and the problem persists. any takes? of course each time i get the message i reject the new certificate
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09:20<ph0b0s>to elaborate a bit more, the fingerprints of the server and the one i see on the client message do not match
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09:22<jm_>so why do you think generating a new one will change anything? ssh stores old ones in ~/.ssh/known_hosts and if it doesn't match, you get a warning
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09:23<SynrG>i.e. if you know you have an old one, just delete it. it tells you the line number so you can feed that to your text editor to position you on that line to delete it
09:23<ph0b0s>jm_: no, i get a mismatch between the new server fprint and the one that my client displayes in the message
09:23<SynrG>you haven't given us any command output so i guess we can't help
09:23<SynrG>we're reduced to guesses
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09:24<SynrG>(or to put that in a positive way: if you want our guesses to be reasonably accurate, give us some details :)
09:25<ph0b0s>i dont think you understand what i'm saying. whatever the fingerprint on the server cert, the one that gets displayed on the client as the new fingerprint doesn't match anything :/
09:26<ph0b0s>which sounds fishy
09:26<SynrG>i think if we had output, we might understand more clearly what you're saying the problem is.
09:26<SynrG>then we could assess whether it is, in fact, fishy, or just something you overlooked.
09:26<ph0b0s>what output you need
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09:27<jm_>ph0b0s: so perhaps it's using a different key than the one you generated/display fingerprint for
09:27<SynrG>the command used on the server to obtain the fingerprint and its output. the command used to connect to the server and its error output.
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09:28<Stacy>Hello :) I was wondering if anyone in here would be willing to tell me what two linux commands mean and used for
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09:28<Stacy>Chmod & Grep
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09:28<jm_>Stacy: have you read respective man pages?
09:29<ph0b0s>for displaying the fingerprint ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub
09:29<ph0b0s>for generating ssh-keygen -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key -N '' -t rsa
09:29<SynrG>ph0b0s: and the business about "checked via port 80" is ... you checked using a web browser and the page that is returned is actually from your box, not somebody else's ...? did you consider maybe your browser has that page cached?
09:30<Stacy>Jm_ tryed but kinda not for a 15 yo that's a computer newbie
09:30<ph0b0s>SynrG: checked through a phone with 3g i could clear cache and stuff and recheck of course.
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09:31<SynrG>Stacy: what part don't you understand? "man chmod" says: "chmod changes the file mode bits of ..." etc.
09:31<jm_>Stacy: for chmod you need to understand file permissions first, I recommend info pages -- info coreutils -> File permissions
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09:31<jmw>dpkg: tell Stacy about grep
09:32<rfree>SynrG: okular didn't worked
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09:32<beb>hello somebody know an irc channel about vpn..??
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09:32<SynrG>rfree: ok. describe "didn't work"? did it set the document on fire? something else?
09:33<SynrG>beb: ##networking @ irc.freenode.net
09:33<beb>tks
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09:37<james0r2>maybe it's that i'm getting old but hearing about kids using Linux blows my mind. maybe also because i'm newer to Linux
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09:37<james0r2>it's probably something i should get used to though
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09:40<ph0b0s>ok when i try to connect through 3g the certs match. when trying though my own network i get a different fingerprint... and regarding the port 80 part it works ok, checked with cache cleared on both mozilla and opera
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09:41<ph0b0s>btw the ssh client is on a nexus 7
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10:07<apachepost>james0r2: i think LOTS of kids use gnu/linux :}
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12:26<FKlama>I have an existing exim4 configuration, can I just delete everything from /etc/exim4 and ignore the debian specific configuration stuff?
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12:29<centrx>FKlama, Presumably you could, but probably better to integrate it intelligently, especially if there is a version change
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12:30<FKlama>centrx: Well, I am used to a single configuration file, and maintain similar Mailservers on different servers, maintaining several different formats would make it very difficult indeed...
12:31<confu_sed>Hello. I installed Wheezy base install. Went to install gnumeric and it wanted to pull in things like libbluray, evince, hdparm.
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12:31<confu_sed>Why does it need these? gnumeric doesn't need to read bluray discs or pdf files.
12:31<centrx>FKlama, Okay. I'm sure it will work, I would just check to see what the Debian package maintainer has changed/added
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12:34<centrx>confu_sed, I don't know why gnumeric Recommends evince. Those others are are depended upon transitively by packages gnumeric depends on.
12:35<centrx>confu_sed, I would use the apt configuration option Install-RecommendsInstall-Recommends "false" or file some bugs
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12:37<confu_sed>centrx: thank you. i will look into recommends false.
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12:40<zykotick9>confu_sed: BTW, i believe it's = APT::Install-Recommends "0";
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12:46<confu_sed>zykotick9: using aptitude -R. shows evince as recommend, but not required. and hdparm, libbluray are no longer being requested.
12:46<confu_sed>thank you!
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13:09<ivanoov>saluté :)
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13:20<Sandie>is there any good non-gtk/qt mediaplayers(with GUI)
13:20<Sandie>?
13:21<abrotman>Sandie: does a Wx player count?
13:21<abrotman>or you want like motif?
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13:22<Sandie>abrotman: more the vlc style
13:23<abrotman>VLC is GTK I think
13:23<Sandie>nope vlc is qt:/
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13:24<Sandie>im trying to get all packages on my install to be x or gtk
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13:25<centrx>But you said non-gtk
13:25<abrotman>Sandie: audio or video or both ?
13:25<valdyn>rhytmbox and totem, both suck
13:25<abrotman>centrx: non gtk/qt ..
13:25<Sandie>video primarily
13:25<abrotman>https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/video/
13:25<valdyn>Sandie: so you want gtk or not?
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13:26<Sandie>gtk if theres no other options like with webbrowswe
13:26<Sandie>*webbrowser
13:26<abrotman>totem with xine as the backend?
13:26<valdyn>firefox is not really gtk, nor is iceweasel
13:26<abrotman>or totem with gstreamer
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13:27<valdyn>Sandie: is there any reason for this?
13:27<valdyn>i can see gnome-mplayer
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13:28<Sandie>making my own debian based install that should be lightweight without being crappy
13:29<valdyn>Sandie: gtk nor qt are both modern toolkits, they are not heavy without huge benefits
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13:29<valdyn>Sandie: gtk *and* qt are both modern toolkits, they are not heavy without huge benefits
13:29<valdyn>(and your webbrowsers engine uses 10-100 times more memory than a gui)
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13:31<Sandie>its intended for netbooks and uses openbox
13:31<Amber-sweet>Hello everyone :) I was wondering if anyone happen to know of a program like sound juicer that would be able to let me save or copy my favorite DVDs to hard disk?
13:31<valdyn>Sandie: you can really save by not using a modern webbrowser
13:32<valdyn>Amber-sweet: cat /dev/dvd > file.img
13:32<Amber-sweet>Sorry bit lost :)
13:33<valdyn>Amber-sweet: i just told you what to type in a terminal to copy your dvd to disk
13:33<Amber-sweet>I am not overly advanced so some meanings and terminology I don't get yet
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13:34<dualbus>Amber-sweet: cat /dev/dvd > file.img # this command reads from /dev/dvd, which is a special device that maps to your DVD, and writes the output (> ...) to a file called file.img
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13:34<dualbus>so: cat /dev/dvd > my-movie.iso
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14:09<Daimwn>hey to all anyone can help if testing is so unstable that i will have really big issues like i use to have in arch and stay without DE for some days or need to reformat?
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14:12<jmw>probably not. testing is fairly reliable, but changes a lot
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14:12<Daimwn>i dont care about changes or some fixing but staying without DE or need to reformating cause of some package update is unacceptable for me and i am fed up with it in arch
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14:14<planetmaker>why would any changed package require a *reformating*?
14:14<centrx>Daimwn, You will never need to reformat because of a bug in testing. Did that really happen in Arch?
14:15<planetmaker>unless you get a package which corrupts the FS itself
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14:15<centrx>I doubt that's ever happened even in Unstable
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14:16<jmw>this is not arch support. so to answer the original question: if you're comfortable dealing with breakage and holding the package manager's hand sometimes, you're unlikely to have any fatal problems. dpkg's advice is
14:17<jmw>"ou should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers."
14:17<jmw>centrx: you cannot guarantee that you wouldn't need to reformat because of a bug in testing. there is no warranty.
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14:18<Daimwn>i dont care about fixing stuff but not fixing things that actually could keep me from using my distro like DE or xorg or wifi ...
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14:18<Maulkin>!testing
14:18<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
14:18<Maulkin>So... that.
14:18<planetmaker>Daimwn, then you shouldn't use testing. Anything can break
14:18<Daimwn>ok well i read a lot i came here for some personal advice not what the wiki says i already read the wiki and forum
14:19<centrx>jmw, I can't guarantee that for stable either, but if someone came in asking about it I would say that is not going to happen.
14:19<planetmaker>it's a matter of how likely it is. Not very. But no guarantee given. Stable on the other hand is ... stable
14:19<Daimwn>ok thats what i need
14:19<Daimwn>thanks
14:19<Maulkin>Daimwn: Personally, I run testing on my work computer. However, I also know how to unbreak something
14:19<jmw>centrx: you should not say that it is not going to happen, because you can't know that. software has bugs, <EOF>.
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14:20<jmw>you could say it is unlikely to happen, sure
14:20<babilen>Daimwn: Oh, and please don't necessarily cross-post as it makes it hard to figure out what you have been told and what not. Please see my remarks in #debian-next :D
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14:20<Daimwn>lol you guys are funny
14:20<centrx>jmw, Against the background likelihood, it is 0% likelihood
14:20<Daimwn>everything can happen
14:20<centrx>jmw, I can't promise that running "apt-get update" won't download a virus either
14:21<Daimwn>its electronics after all besides the programming value :P but i mean based on personal experience is very rare
14:21<Daimwn>while in arch is 2-3-4 times every year
14:21<jmw>centrx: no, it is a "tiny likelihood"
14:21<Daimwn>ok
14:21<Daimwn>thanks
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14:22<centrx>jmw, Against background or comparative likelihood, you could even call it a negative chance.
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14:23<Daimwn>lol
14:23<centrx>For example
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14:24<newb>Hi guys. If I install Debian is it going to secretly e-mail my private information to my worst enemy?
14:24<planetmaker>of course, newb
14:24<babilen>newb, centrx: seriously?
14:24<planetmaker>including NSA and KGB, GSHQ etc :P
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14:25<centrx>I assume the answer is no
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14:25<jmw>no, the answer is "probably not"
14:25<planetmaker>it's all open source. you can audit it :)
14:25<centrx>jmw, How can you be sure the answer is probably not?
14:25<babilen>centrx: It is not and your assumption is correct. Please note that this is a technical support channel and that we have plenty of other channels for jokes and/or social chatter. #debian-offtopic among them.
14:25<planetmaker>that's the single biggest advantage of this system
14:25<centrx>jmw, The answer is only probably "probably not"
14:25<Maulkin>Folks, perhaps this may be better in #debian-offtopic?
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14:29<n0tr3c>Hello, alguien que me eche una mano? Gracias.
14:30<babilen>dpkg: es
14:30<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:30<centrx>!es
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14:45<Tron>I have a internal and a external wifi card and adapter how do I disable the internal with out disabling the external?
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14:46<Tron>When I am using the external gnome keeps prompting me to connect the internal and I want the prompting to stop
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15:01<n0tr3c>ok.
15:02<n0tr3c>Hello, Why have installed xfce and openbox debian testing? Is there any apparent reason? I stopped working gnome and only works openbox.
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15:02<n0tr3c>to stop working gnome I saw that I could login with openbox remote
15:03<n0tr3c>I purged gnome and gdm3 and reinstalled several times without success I've even used LightDM without success for gnome
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15:04<centrx>n0tr3c, What are you trying to do?
15:05<n0tr3c>the system is broken after upgrading today. Debian testing with gnome
15:05<n0tr3c>try to repair it
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15:07<n0tr3c>to start the gnome window manager fails, but no other window managers that work ok
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15:08<centrx>n0tr3c, So you installed XFCE but that did not work either?
15:08<eroseasy>hi someone can help me?
15:09<centrx>!ask
15:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:10<n0tr3c>no, it was in the system xfce, not very well because, if nfunciona xfce. But gnome says exactly: Oh no! something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover
15:10<eroseasy>i need some informations for virtualbox because i don't know well linux and i want install guest additions
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15:10<Flash7475>hyey
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15:12<n0tr3c>Thank you centrx
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15:13<centrx>n0tr3c, Can you find the Gnome log file to see the exact problem it is having?
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15:14<n0tr3c>yes, one moment
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15:19<Flash7475>hi
15:20<Sandie>hello
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15:26<jefferson>Hello! Someone has tested the air Jessie?
15:26<jefferson> If you like walking development? Kernel version of Gnome are which?
15:26<n0tr3c>we continue tomorrow poruqe now I am remote and I could get from a terminal error is Logon from xrdp, it will not be the same as the error Logon locally, in any case part of the error is: kded4: Fatal IO error: client killed
15:26<n0tr3c>klauncher: Exiting on signal 15
15:26<n0tr3c>kdeinit4: Fatal IO error: client killed
15:26<n0tr3c>Xsession: X session started for at mar mar 11 20:07:42 CET 2014
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15:27<centrx>jefferson, Jessie has Linux 3.12 and Gnome 3.8
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15:29<jefferson>Thanks for the information.
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15:53<Mongo44>Anything in Synaptic that will allow me to use a Samsung ML-2010 Mono Laser Printer?
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15:55<centrx>Mongo44, The printer driver for (most) Samsung printers is called "printer-driver-splix"
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15:56<babilen>Mongo44: You naturally want to install cups too and then configure your printer on https://localhost:631
15:57<Mongo44>babilen, are you talking about wireless printing? What is cups?
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15:58<truth>Paket latrine seems to be not available in wheezy anymore. Does anyone knows why?
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15:58<babilen>Mongo44: No, I am not talking about wireless printing and CUPS is a print server and you use it to configure your printer (on the aforementioned website)
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15:59<babilen>judd: bug rm latrine
15:59<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/733350 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: latrine -- RoM; abandoned upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-12-28; last modified: 2014-01-30.
15:59<babilen>truth: ^^^
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16:01<babilen>dpkg: tell Mongo44 -about cups
16:01<Mongo44>I went there Ice Weasel is giving me this connection is untrusted. It even did that earlier when I tried to sign into my AOL mail account. What could this mean?
16:01<babilen>Mongo44: Also ask the bot about the other factoids in <...>
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16:01<babilen>Mongo44: It is not using a properly signed certificate. You can either accept it or use http://localhost:631
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16:03<Mongo44>What would I need for wireless printing?
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16:04<babilen>Mongo44: A printer that supports it would be a good start.
16:04<xdistro>ya
16:05<truth>Thanks for the bug report on latrine. Is there any alternative tool available ...?
16:06<babilen>truth: What does it do?
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16:07<truth>Its a nice programm to learn words of other languages. My kids are using it for school.
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16:08<babilen>truth: Ah, okay. I am quite fond of anki, but I am not sure if it is comparable. Anki is a "flashcard" program that has various sets of flashcards available for download. Used it for Chinese and Japanese so far and am very satisfied.
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16:17<truth>babilen: My children used latrine to just learn english. With latrine I was able to use the dictd-format which I used to write little lessons (20-40 words only). Is it possible to use dictd-format with anki?
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16:18<babilen>truth: I have no idea
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16:23<grove>judd says wheezy-backports has a 3.12 kernel, is there also a linux-source package?
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16:24<centrx>grove, Yes?
16:24<centrx>grove, http://packages.debian.org/<name>
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16:31<grove>centrx: Thanks. I was just getting confused because I had never actually added wheezy-backports to sources.list, although I though I had done so when I copied a kernel from wheezy-backports to get the network card(s) to work
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16:34<rostam>HI if I do not use lvm partitioning, what do I loose? thx
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16:35<giovanni>ciao a tutti
16:35<giovanni>!list
16:35<dpkg>giovanni: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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16:39<grove>rostam: When you have to ask, probably nothing. LVM primarily makes it easier to resize partitions and it gives some snapshot functionality
16:39<giovanni>!list
16:39<dpkg>giovanni: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
16:39<Mongo44>ciao a tutti!
16:40<babilen>Mongo44: Please don't
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16:42<Mongo44>Those Italians sure love to chat. The largest irc channel is Italian.
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16:45<rostam>grove, thanks
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17:10<kminooie>hi. could some one please post the source of bash.bashrc file that comes with wheezy? as unbelievable as it may sound, I can't find it onlne. if some one has a fresh or clean install of wheezy, I appreciate it if they could put it in a pastebin somewhere. ( http://fpaste.org/ )
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17:12<ncl>kminooie: /etc/bash.bashrc?
17:12<kminooie>yes
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17:12<ncl>kminooie: I think reinstalling bash should put the file back there but I can upload mine if you want, except I have jessie
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17:13<giovanni>ciao
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17:14<Maulkin>!it
17:14<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:14<giovanni>!list
17:14<dpkg>giovanni: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
17:14<ncl>oh, it's not even that long: https://paste.debian.net/87186/
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17:15<atze>kminooie: http://fpaste.org/84508/94572504/ < bash.bashrc from wheezy
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17:15<atze>too late :/
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17:16<rostam>I can not find usleep in wheeze, is there another utility I can use instead?
17:17<giovanni>buonasera a tutti
17:17<planetmaker>!it
17:17<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:17<kminooie>thanks everyone
17:17<ncl>rostam: sleep takes floating point, but that's nonportable
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17:18<rostam>ncl thanks
17:18<ncl>and I don't think usleep is very accurate either way unless you're running a real time OS
17:18<giovanni>buonasera a tutti
17:18<Maulkin>!it
17:18<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:18<giovanni>!list
17:18<dpkg>giovanni: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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17:25<grove>Hmm, I've installed linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 and linux-source-3.12 from wheezy-backports and rebooted to that kernel, but I still get "kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed." when I try to install virtualbox-dkms: http://paste.debian.net/87187/, what have I done wrong?
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17:26<petn-randall>grove: You probably want the linux-headers-3.12* package.
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17:27<grove>petn-randall: Wouldn't that just be a subset of linux-source?
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17:28<grove>Probably not, that also pulled in gcc (I thought I had used that box to build stuff) and other good things
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17:29<petn-randall>grove: IIRC dkms expects the headers to be available at a specific path, linux-source-* just installs a tar.bz2 to /usr/src/.
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17:34<neo1691>I am trying to install systemd-sysv and apt is greeting me with the ultimate warning: To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
17:34<neo1691>I need some assurance that it wont break my system
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17:35<oldlaptop>oh dear
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17:35<grove>petn-randall: Thanks, it brought me further, now it tries building - but fails: http://paste.debian.net/87190/ (the log file that I'm refered to, sorry about some parts being in danish, but I think it's understandable if anyone cares to look)
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17:36<oldlaptop>neo1691: general advice I would give is to fire up aptitude-curses and see what exactly is happening
17:36<oldlaptop>I think it might give you that Ultimate Warning before it lets you see, though?
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17:37<oldlaptop>been a while since I did anything to trigger that
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17:37<babilen>neo1691: Just install systemd, reboot and edit the kernel command line in grub. Add "init=/bin/systemd" after "quiet" and try systemd.
17:37<babilen>dpkg: tell neo1691 about systemd
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17:37<babilen>neo1691: This should also be discussed on the wiki page.
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17:38<neo1691>last time that advice had come, half of my packages diasppeared
17:39<neo1691>babilen: I just need systemctl, that all! Do I need systemd-sysv?
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17:39<neo1691>I have already installed systemd and not yet rebooted
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17:40<neo1691>babilen: On the systemd wiki page it has said that if you want to use systemd you should also install systemd-sysv
17:42<grove>judd says wheezy-backports should have version 4.2.16-dfsg-3~bpo70+1 of virtualbox, but "aptitude install virtualbox=4.2.16-dfsg-3~bpo70+1" says 'Unable to find a version "4.2.16-dfsg-3~bpo70+1" for the package "virtualbox"', what am I'm doing wrong now?
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17:42<centrx>grove, Do you have wheezy-backports in your sources?
17:42<babilen>neo1691: Well, I disagree with that. You can read /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian -- systemd--sysv installs a few symlinks, switches you permanently and also provides "shutdown", "reboot" and so on. Just try it by modyring the kernel command line.
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17:43<petn-randall>grove: If you're using the kernel from wheezy-backports, it's possible that you also need to take virtualbox from there, too, for it to build.
17:43<babilen>grove: Judd might be outdated, what does "apt-cache policy virtualbox" give you? Why don't you use "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install virtualbox" ?
17:44<petn-randall>!tell grove about localized errors
17:45<grove>centrx: Yes
17:45<grove>petn-randall: I got the same idea
17:45<neo1691>babilen: Okay! I have written a script to reboot/shutdown etc from i3 which uses systemctl, so I need systemd, If everything works fine, I will have to add that line permanently as kernel options?
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17:47<nmschulte>When using a static IP configuration for a host, does the system (dhclient I think) still query the DHCP server for DNS server listings?
17:48<DNS>he
17:48<DNS>my servers wont get listed by dhcp
17:48<babilen>neo1691: You can edit /etc/default/boot or install systemd-sysv.. I simply wanted to mention a way that allows you to actually test it.
17:48<DNS>lool
17:48<DNS>:D
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17:50<grove>petn-randall: I know about localized errors, but the only things in danish were the date, makes "changing directory" notes, and the word "Fejl" when make gives up, which really doesn't hinder understanding, so I chose to apologize and not regenerate that output in english
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17:52<noirx>greatings all
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17:53<noirx>how can i run x from putty? do i ineed to install xming?
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17:54<babilen>grove: So, do you have the output of that command?
17:54<grove>babilen: I thought judd had access to the archives and as such couldn't be outdated. 'apt-cache policy virtualbox only shows the version in wheezy': http://paste.debian.net/87195/
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17:55<grove>babilen: And the apt-get command just says "virtualbox is already the newest version."
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17:55<neo1691>babilen: Yes I did reboot and everything seems to work fine, however "systemctl suspend" gives me no such operation error. So I need to install systemd-sysv to get it work?
17:56<gsimmons>grove: You're missing contrib sources ; /msg dpkg contrib
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17:57<babilen>neo1691: systemctl should work; excuse me for a second though
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17:57<babilen>grove: You want a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/87197/
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18:38<dsg_>Hi all, when building a debhelper package, it seems to run 'make clean' prior to applying quilt patches. Is that expected behaviour? I'm trying to debianise a package with a broken clean target upstream.
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18:40<dondelelcaro>dsg: in such a case, you probably want to use 3.0 (quilt) as the packaging format
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18:40<dondelelcaro>dsg: in that case, the quilt patches will be applied before any targets are run
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18:41<grove>gsimmons, babilen : Thank you (I just had a problem with my router, making me fall off the net for a while)
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18:42<dsg>dondelelcaro: Hm, ok. I set this up as a native package as upstream does not release tarballs, it's only a git repo. This is my first package so it's possible I'm doing something horribly worng :)
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18:43<dondelelcaro>dsg: ah; yeah, generally you shouldn't be using native packages
18:44<dsg>Is there a recommended way for handling packaging of projects that don't release source snapshots?
18:44<dondelelcaro>dsg: generally speaking, native packages are for packages where any change to the debian package is also an upstream release, (and vice versa), which isn't the case here
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18:44<dondelelcaro>dsg: you just make the orig.tar.gz yourself
18:44<dondelelcaro>dsg: then you proceed as normal
18:44<dondelelcaro>dsg: the developers reference has some text on best practices for this, though
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18:45<dsg>Ah ok, I wasn't sure if that was okay to do. Thanks for the advice :)
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18:46<dondelelcaro>dsg: no problem; you might also want to ask in #debian-mentors
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18:46<dondelelcaro>dsg: while there's no problem with asking here, that channel has more people who specifically help with packaging software for Debian
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19:15<ytrezq>Hello, how I may use ld.bfd with gcc in debian? If I use the "-fuse-ld=bfd" gcc parameter. I got "/usr/bin/ld: this linker was not configured to use sysroots".
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19:17<zumbi>ytrezq: you need to rebuild binutils with sysroot support
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19:18<ansgar>!ops cyber in #debian.de (after +q in #-devel)
19:18<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ansgar complains about: cyber in #debian.de (after +q in #-devel)
19:18<zumbi>but iirc, it had that enabled already
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19:18*abrotman looks at ansgar ...
19:18<ansgar>Now I'm confused.
19:18<abrotman>there or not?
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19:19<ansgar>Ah, on Freenode's #debian.de...
19:19<abrotman>oh ..
19:19<abrotman>I have no control there
19:19<zumbi>ytrezq: that's weird.. from buildlog, ../configure --with-sysroot=/
19:19<ytrezq>zumbi: If I ash the question, it mean I don't know how to enable the support for bfd (seems it is already done for gold...).
19:20<abrotman>well, I don't think I do ..
19:20<zumbi>ytrezq: ld.bfd is one linker, gold is replacement linker in c++
19:20<ytrezq>zumbi: see the first comment here: https://github.com/andikleen/linux-misc/issues/7
19:20<zumbi>I meant written in c++
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19:20<abrotman>ansgar: that access list looks sad
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19:21<ytrezq>I know gold is the default in Debian, but in may case I need bfd...
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19:22<zumbi>ytrezq: you compiled it with --with-build-sysroot=/usr, but you really need --with-sysroot=/
19:22<zumbi>ytrezq: also this is not appropriate channel, it is debian stable unrelated question
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19:24<ytrezq>Ok, sorry :\. Looks like I'll have too wait gcc 4.8 come to stable realease for talking here...
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19:24<zumbi>ytrezq: iirc, if you use Debian binary packages, if you have installed binutils-gold then gold is used, if it is not installed, then ld.bfd
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19:25<zumbi>ytrezq: no, there is #debian-next
19:25<ytrezq>Thank you...
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19:32<ila_korea>hellp
19:32<ila_korea>Hello
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19:33<ila_korea>What are you doing?
19:33<abrotman>Helping people with Debian.
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19:33<ila_korea>Oh
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19:34<ila_korea>What help?
19:34<ila_korea>Oh
19:34<abrotman>ila_korea: www.debian.org
19:35<ila_korea>What is that domain?
19:35<abrotman>ila_korea: Do you need help with Debian?
19:35-!-Schnabeltier [~Schnabelt@0001bb22.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: blubs]
19:35<ila_korea>I can't trust
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19:36<ila_korea>Window 2008 R2
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19:36<ila_korea>And debian samba
19:36<ila_korea>hahaha
19:36<ila_korea>That's strange
19:36<ila_korea>How can i trust Window 2008 R2 and debian samba?
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19:36<ila_korea>?
19:38<oldlaptop>What do you not trust about them?
19:38<abrotman>I think he means domain trust?
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19:38<oldlaptop>aaaaah
19:39<ila_korea>wins unable load
19:39<ila_korea>to me
19:39<ila_korea>Error : NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_USER
19:40<ila_korea>please help me
19:40<ila_korea>I can't doing this
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19:41<us`0gb>Hmm. I think I have similar issues, actually. For unknown reasons, I can't log into a Windows share from Debian, though I can log into shares on other Debian machines.
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19:42<Arrowmaster>yeah i went to an event recently and plugged my debian laptop into the network and had very bad experiences sharing with windows 7 pcs
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19:43<Arrowmaster>i used to have a home network with sharing to xp pcs working perfectly
19:44<ila_korea>It is world skills competition question
19:44<ila_korea>NO ANSWER
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19:44<ila_korea>It's very hard work;;
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19:58<silly>whats the best file manager for window maker?
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19:59<silly>hi
20:00<oldlaptop>silly: whatever file manager you like best
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20:03<icepiper>ive recently installed latest debian, is it normal to have some bugs here and there?
20:03<oldlaptop>icepiper: Depends on what you mean by bugs'
20:04<oldlaptop>and what you mean by 'latest debian'
20:04<oldlaptop>stable is (supposed to be) relatively free of bugs, but you *will* see breakages in testing or sid
20:05<icepiper>oldlaptop, i could not run gnome on a 2.80 ghz 1 g mermory old dekstop
20:05<icepiper>is that normal?
20:05<icepiper>i had to emergency install window maker
20:05<icepiper>on the terminal
20:05<oldlaptop>Well. GNOME 3 is fairly demanding of graphics hardware
20:06<oldlaptop>if you don't have working 3D acceleration, it won't work at all (IIRC there isn't a fallback mode anymore?)
20:07<centrx>icepiper, Gnome is a behemoth, so don't use it on old hardware (Probably avoid KDE too)
20:07<oldlaptop>KDE will be a little tight in 1GB of RAM
20:07<oldlaptop>but otherwise should work fine
20:08<icepiper>oh i should risk on kde
20:08<icepiper>oh thats ok
20:08<icepiper>i want to learn the ways on window maker
20:08<icepiper>maybe risk on elightments
20:08<icepiper>enlightenemnt
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20:09<oldlaptop>XFCE seems regarded as a decent GNOME2 replacement on older hardware
20:09<abrotman>icepiper: probably your video card, not the actual system
20:10<icepiper>i whould like a file manager that could acess my dvd drive, i know it works but i cant acess it trought the terminal
20:10<oldlaptop>(GPU information would be helpful - can you put the output of lspci and glxinfo on paste.debian.net ?)
20:10<oldlaptop>glxinfo miiiight be in a package not installed by default, can't remember now
20:11<Brigo>mesa-utils: /usr/bin/glxinfo
20:11<oldlaptop>yes, just found it :)
20:13<oldlaptop>gnome-control-center recommends mesa-utils, so it's *probably* present in a default GNOME install
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20:58<sime>hi
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20:58<sime><I edited /etc/fstab to mount a ntfs part at boot, how do i make it appear not as a removable medi
20:58<sime>media*
20:59<centrx>sime, "appear as removable media" ?
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21:00<sime>yes in gnome shell i got notifications of the mountpoint as a removable media
21:00<sime>I just want to mount it as it was part of the system
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21:00<sime>not as a usb stick or CDrom
21:00<sime>maybe i should change permission in a way that regular user can't umount it?
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21:04<centrx>sime, That sounds like a Gnome thing, not fstab
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21:04<centrx>sime, Try #gnome on Freenode
21:05<sime>thank you sir
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21:14<Topppos>Trying to setup a lamp server per: https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp
21:14<Topppos>This is Wheezy Stable, downloaded last night.
21:14<Topppos>After setting up apache2, says php5.conf needs to be configured according to what is show. That file appears to be missing. Is that to be expected?
21:14<Topppos>Moving past that, trying to install PHP, it's telling me:
21:14<Topppos>apache2-mpm-worker conflicts with apache2-pmp which is a virtual package.
21:14-!-Topppos was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
21:14<sime>the answer was, creating a mountpoint un /mnt instead of /media
21:14<sime>centrx,
21:14<centrx>Makes sense
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21:16<sime>thank you good bye
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21:17<Topppos>Trying to setup a lamp server per: https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp This is Wheezy Stable, downloaded last night. After setting up apache2, says php5.conf needs to be configured according to what is show. That file appears to be missing. Is that to be expected? Moving past that, trying to install PHP, it's telling me: apache2-mpm-worker conflicts with apache2-pmp which is a virtual package. apache2-mpm-prefork conflicts with apache2-pmp
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21:18<centrx>PHP is an abomination and a scourge on the face of the earth.
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21:19<centrx>Topppos, Where did you get this "apache2-pmp" package from?
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21:20<Topppos>Dunno...? Maybe it was one of the package groups I selected during the initial install?
21:21<Topppos>I selected file server, web server, sql server when installing debian
21:22<datarat010>hello i have a 128gb ssd and 2x64gb ssd and a 750 hdd i am trying to use all of them in a dual os install but i am not sure what would be the most effective way to do so
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21:22<centrx>Topppos, I don't find any mention of "apache2-pmp" anywhere
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21:23<centrx>Topppos, It looks like a misspelling of some kind
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21:23<Topppos>Sorry... typo. That's apache2-mpm-worker. I can't copy/paste out of the VM right now
21:23<sney>yeah, you can only have one apache type at a time, be it worker or prefork etc
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21:24<sney>for prefork you want libapache2-mod-php5, but it's seriously slow for a lot of php applications. for worker, you want php5-fpm. and then you need to tweak php accordingly, though most defaults are ok
21:24<compTECH>hi friends
21:24<sney>hello compTECH
21:24<compTECH>sney im new here
21:24<compTECH>how are u sney?
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21:25<sney>compTECH: I'm fine. this is a support channel. if you just want to chat, that's what #debian-offtopic is for. I see you are already there.
21:25<compTECH>ahh i see
21:25<compTECH>im sorry
21:25<compTECH>i just wanna ask where we can find a free vps or shell
21:26<sney>google
21:26<sney>but remember, free often means bad
21:26<compTECH>i did but no one found
21:26<compTECH>why
21:26<sney>usually you're better off with cheap
21:26<compTECH>just for the start
21:26<compTECH>i want to learn how to install znc or eggdrop
21:26<sney>quality of service, quality of software. a lot of VPS providers, especially the ones that use debian images, make a lot of changes and sometimes this breaks the OS in a bad way
21:27<sney>it seems the ones that cost more money do this less. I don't know why
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21:27<compTECH>ahh
21:27<compTECH>im jun sney
21:27<compTECH>and u are ?
21:28<compTECH>hope u will be my first friend here in oftc sney?
21:28<Topppos>k, thx sney, centrx
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21:28<sney>compTECH: ... this is a support channel, if you want social chatter go somewhere else
21:29<compTECH>okay
21:29<compTECH>thanks
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21:40<abrotman>compTECH: perhaps #moocows
21:41<centrx>sney, "Free often means bad", like Debian?
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21:41<sney>centrx: free as in beer.
21:42*zykotick9 notes, if the "service" if free (as in beer), then "you" are often the "product"
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22:13<Candy>Anyone happen to know when ipv6 goes into full effect ?
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22:35*abrotman is confused ..
22:37<themill>!confuse abrotman
22:37<dpkg>No, those was your bacon yesterday, abrotman? Shirts of the Democracy of Tahiti with extra crabpaste.
22:38<sney>haha I love that command.
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22:38*abrotman didn't get his crabpaste from thomas_adam ..
22:39<abrotman>oh, someone deleted it
22:39*abrotman eyes themill suspiciously ..
22:39<themill>?
22:40<abrotman>you deleted it
22:41<themill>umm... no?
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22:42<abrotman>dpkg: factinfo crabpaste
22:42<dpkg>crabpaste -- last modified at Tue Nov 26 09:57:10 2013 by themill!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 2 times, last by abrotman, 2m 54s ago.
22:43<themill>yeah, popular factoid that one was too
22:44<abrotman>hehe
22:44<abrotman>I think there's a real factoid .. I don't remember what it is
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22:53<sney>my best factoid was probably bt4-magic. I'm almost sad we don't get lost backtrack users anymore
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22:57<isosceles>is it possible to issue a command to simulate alt+f4 or clicking the close window 'x' ? i am running openbox
22:59<centrx>isosceles, Why? You mean like "kill" ?
23:00<ila_korea>o
23:01<isosceles>centrx: i want the app Nicotine+ to load on startup, but minimize to tray. the only way i can minimize it to tray is by closing the window. kill command ends the process
23:03<centrx>isosceles, The program does not have a setting for it inside itself?
23:03<isosceles>i have searched
23:03<centrx>or command-line option
23:03<isosceles>only a minimize upon close, not upon start
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23:05<centrx>isosceles, I don't know, you could look for ICCCM or EWMH messages/commands that might do it.
23:05<centrx>isosceles, These are window manager protocols that Openbox supports
23:05<isosceles>centrx: i will follow these leads, thanks
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23:08<isosceles>centrx: i can't tell if this would be of help: http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#idp6279120
23:08<isosceles>what do you think?
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23:10<centrx>isosceles, Seems reasonable
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23:15<isosceles>centrx: this is multiple lines... not a simple command. does that mean i need to run a script with this text?
23:16<centrx>isosceles, That would be the idea
23:16<centrx>isosceles, Ideally, file a feature request with Nicotine+ upstream
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23:17<isosceles>centrx: i'll file the request, and see if they get to it before i learn scripts!
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23:32<nonconvergent>Hey, trying to upgrade my kernel, followed soon after by nvidia drivers. https://gist.github.com/nonconvergent/0305524151df83af826c Got an error
23:32<DennisTheTiger>Running Wheezy, minor updates unrelated and pending. I am unable to 'hibernate'; it simply aborts when I make the attempt. Help?
23:33<DennisTheTiger>Note, a google search turned up some old bugs.
23:35<themill>nonconvergent: you probably need the nvidia driver from backports too
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23:38<nonconvergent>themill: don't think there is one.
23:41<gsimmons>judd: versions src:nvidia-graphics-drivers --release wheezy-backports --arch amd64
23:41<judd>Package: src:nvidia-graphics-drivers on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+1
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23:44<nonconvergent>gsimmons: so install that?
23:45<nonconvergent>gsimmons: so install that? what about dkms
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23:52<gsimmons>nonconvergent: nvidia-kernel-dkms (and associated packages) also exists in wheezy-backports. As suggested by themill, you would want to install this for the nvidia kernel module to build against the backported kernel.
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23:53<nonconvergent>do I have to redo something after I install them? reconfigure something?
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23:55<nonconvergent>gsimmons: E: Unable to locate package nvidia-graphics-drivers
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23:59<themill>nonconvergent: you need to install the binary packages -- same as normal
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