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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-03-12

---Logopened Wed Mar 12 00:00:36 2014
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00:01<nonconvergent>Which ones are those?
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00:02<nonconvergent>Installing nivdia-kernel-dkms now
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00:09<Topppos>I have a debian wheezy stable vm that I just installed yesterday in kvm, via virtual machine manager. In an effort to enable clipboard sharing, I shut down the system, changed Display from VNC to Spice, then changed Video from vga to QXL. When I went to start the vm, I got “Cannot display graphical console type ‘spice’: No module named SpiceClientGtk” And I had no display of the system. I changed Display back to VNC, but it won't
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00:26<bariho>my system drive is encrypted with luks, I want to swap my drive out for a smaller one. what's the best way to do that? fresh install for easy proper partition/luks/lvm and grub setup, then copy the content of / over?
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00:36<bariho>would I need to adjust anything besides fstab and crypttab in that case?
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00:53<gan_19>how to clear log message
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00:54<bariho>well, I'll just go with the trial and error route then and come back here late to complain
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00:54<nonconvergent>Uff, tried to get a schroot going but my user lacks permissions for some reason
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01:41<ila_korea>Hello
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02:17<vook>What is the maximum filesystem size for LUKS on a squeeze system (32-bit 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem)?
02:18<vook>I know Truecrypt maxes out at 2TB for kernels less than ~3.0.
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02:42<mask>as far as sites to mirror off of for the sources.list file, is there any specific country's mirror that is better than others?
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02:44<mask>or are there any mirrors that are worse because of their country's restrictions due to things like levels of encryption allowed?
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02:55<rjsalts>mask: yes on the former, no on the latter
02:55<mask>rjsalts, so which ones are better on the former?
02:56<rjsalts>mask: dunno, but a lot of the au mirrors don't run the correct scripts to the archive can be out of sync if it's during the middle of an rsync
02:56<rjsalts>mask: so even
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02:58<rjsalts>mask: I use ftp.us.debian.org sometimes, but it does dns roundrobin to a few hosts, some of which are doing a naive rsync too
02:59<mask>rjsalts, have you tried any of the other mirrors? does non-us.debian.org still exist?
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02:59<rjsalts>mask: there is no non-us section anymore
02:59<rjsalts>mask: it was removed around sarge or something
03:00<mask>rjsalts, has anything come to take its place?
03:00<jm_>!nonus
03:00<dpkg>Non-US is where we placed software previously unable to hosted within the USA. Changes in legislation mean that post-<Woody>, there is no non-US, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze, Wheezy or Sid. Ask me about <crypto> and <crypto in main>. Old non-US packages (for slink, potato, woody) are at archive.debian.org. http://wiki.debian.org/non-US
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03:01<mask>!crypto
03:01<dpkg>Cryptographic software is classified as munitions (military weapons) under U.S. export laws. Previously, it was legally problematic for the Debian Project to export cryptographic software from inside the US. That's why the non-US (cryptographic) section of Debian _was_ hosted on machines NOT physically or politically inside the US. This has since changed, ask me about <crypto in main>.
03:01<mask>!crypto in main
03:01<dpkg>Legal advice received 31-Jul-2001 indicates that the new US export regulations on cryptographic software will allow Debian to distribute cryptographic software from the US, provided certain hoops are jumped through. http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain . Yes, this means you no longer need <non-US> sources.
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03:02<mask>jm_, rjsalts thanks for the info
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03:04<ila_korea>how to configuration debian router using to quagga, ripver2 ?
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03:04<jm_>no worries
03:05<ila_korea>no worries?
03:05<babilen>heh
03:06<babilen>dpkg: tell ila_korea about quagga
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03:09<ila_korea>em.... I tried setting but don't send ping between the hosts
03:09<ila_korea>rip v2
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03:35<Phuzzy>hi all. this seems rather simeple, but i cant figure it out. I assume that when someone says "just compile X with Y," you are supposed to pass some kind of argument to 'make', but i cant seem to get it right
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03:38<labyrinth153>Phuzzy: It all depends on the program you are building. Some software has a configure script, which you can invoke documentation using: ./configure --help
03:39<Phuzzy>Yup, thats how i would generally go about this, but this particular program does not have a configure script
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03:44<txt-file>I have a problem to install cdebconf. It gives me an error in the post-inst script. http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?c8e0413940cbd259#TzPzqISc++zM3pke8CRXua0yulw6mD5ORWx/MVjCSSM=
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03:45<jm_>txt-file: did you check if a similar issue already exists in BTS?
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03:47<txt-file>nope … thought that it is more a problem with my computer
03:47<txt-file>but will check now
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03:54<txt-file>I think it is a problem that I have some broken dependencies
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04:00<jm_>you can't call postinst like that
04:00<viscera>Is it possible that /etc/modprobe.d stuff (e.g. setting a kernel module parameter) only takes effect if the module is loaded at boot? For example, a kernel module for a keyboard. If the keyboard isn't present at boot, the parameter doesn't get set from /etc/modprobe.d. Is that what happens?
04:01<viscera>Or should the kernel module parameter from /etc/modprobe.d be set whenever the keyboard is plugged in, i.e. while the system is running normally?
04:01<jm_>viscera: no, it's not for loaded at boot only
04:01<viscera>Hmm. My system has a problem, then.
04:02<jm_>the parameter is checked when the module is loaded, not necessarily when the keyboard is connected
04:02<viscera>so it definitely should be checked by the time the keyboard finally gets connected
04:03<viscera>eg. it's loaded now but it's as if the modprobe.d file wasn't read
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04:05<jm_>don't forget to update your initramfs after editing files in modprobe.d if this module is loaded at boot
04:06<viscera>jm_, shouldn't be relevant since i just unplugged/replugged the keyboard and it's still wrongly set
04:06<viscera>jm_, here's the general situation http://paste.debian.net/87236/
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04:06<viscera>oh, $PWD was /etc/modprobe.d
04:07<jm_>viscera: you can check what happens by removing the module, then use modprobe -v ...
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04:09<viscera>jm_, one line of output (i.e., it worked): insmod /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-apple.ko fnmode=2
04:09<Prasad>hello,when is Mark Brown(broonie) present here?
04:09<jm_>viscera: you are aware that module is not unloaded when you unplug the keyboard, right?
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04:09<viscera>jm_, i did modprobe -r hid_apple first
04:09<jm_>so I don't understand why you think initramfs advice is not relevant
04:10<jm_>viscera: does sysfs now show the right value?
04:10<viscera>yes
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04:10<jm_>so your issue is probably initramfs one
04:10<viscera>jm_, okay, let me try that and reboot, brb
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04:12*viscera buys jm_ a $BEVERAGE
04:12<viscera>thanks
04:13<jm_>enjoy
04:13*viscera taps his function keys with glee
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04:20<Doophus>Hellooo I am using the current version of Debian (7.4), trying to get the dreaded WIFI working... but all instructions I've done so far seem to use this modprobe command, except, for me there isn't many parameters allowed for that command
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04:20<jm_>Doophus: more details
04:21<Doophus>Yes, I'll just type in modprobe so you can see what it says :)
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04:22<Stummi>Doophus, so, you say in debian there is are documentations anywhere using modprobe arguments which doesn't exists? thats a bug
04:22<Stummi>-is
04:22<Doophus>Yeah, for me, when I type in modprobe, it says
04:22<Doophus>Usage: kldload [-qv] file...
04:22<babilen>Doophus: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? If you cannot paste, just give us the alphanumerical identifier at the end of that line
04:23<Stummi>Doophus, are you using debian?
04:23<bhuddah>kldload?
04:23<jm_>kfreebsd maybe?
04:23<Doophus>Yeah, Debian, I just... ohhhh
04:23<Doophus>Well that was dumb of me. I guess I may have downloaded the wrong iso file. Pfft I am an idiot then. I'll go back to the site and redownload
04:24<planetmaker>ssh'ed to the wrong machine? :D
04:24<Stummi>oh, if you are using kernel level stuff like modprobe you should mention the kernel you use maybe, or others will assume Linux ;)
04:24<babilen>dpkg: tell Doophus -about install debian
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04:24<babilen>dpkg: tell Doophus -about firmware image
04:24<Doophus>Thanks guys, very helpful :)
04:25<babilen>Doophus: The latter already contains firmware you *might* need for your device. As you haven't given me the output of the aforementioned command I cannot provide additional information. All the best!
04:25<bhuddah>good luck!
04:25<Doophus>Thanks, yeah, I've gauged the firmware I need, actually it was in iwlegacy (installed when I ran apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi)
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04:26<Doophus>Except just got stuck when I ran modprobe etc. and obviously now I just have to go and install Debian properly. I did get my image from the debian site tho haha. (fail!)
04:26<babilen>Doophus: So you installed kfreebsd by mistake?
04:26<Doophus>It was the first option in the grub installer thingy under Default
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04:27<babilen>Doophus: I don't quite follow. Which grub installer thingie are you referring to?
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04:27<Doophus>babilen: give me a sec, I'll reboot my notebook and re-run the installer again to tell you precisely what it is :)
04:27<babilen>Doophus: Which installer? How did you get hold of it?
04:28<Doophus>I downloaded it from www.debian.org/CD
04:28<babilen>Doophus: Which one exactly?
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04:28<Doophus>yeah see that's the problem, I wasn't sure which one was correct but I was using intel so I assumed i386 (I am on the page now it says kfreebsd)
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04:29<babilen>Doophus: Where does it recommend kfreebsd, could you give me the link? Which CPU do you have?
04:29<Doophus>Okay, my PC has rebooted: GNU Grb version 1.99-27+deb7u2
04:29<bhuddah>and as always: https://xkcd.com/349/
04:30<Doophus>https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
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04:31<Doophus>It didn't recommend, I was making a guess because the other ones sound like either it was for a mobile device, or AMD, I'm on an Intel (Intel QM85 I think), it wouldn't be amd64 nor arm, ppc, it'll only be kfree-bsd-i386 left. Sorry, I'm obviously newb to all of this, I thought it was straight forward :)
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04:31<babilen>Doophus: Yes, kfreebsd is listed there (among a plethora of other architectures), but I don't see it endorsed in any way. You will, most likely, want to download an amd64 image and i would recommend the netinstall with firmware if you have a working internet connection during the installation.
04:31<babilen>Doophus: Ah, is it 32bit?
04:32<jm_>good thing you didn't go for itanic :)
04:32<Doophus>Oh I see. Yeah, it is 32 Bit.
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04:32<babilen>Doophus: Grab the i386 netinstall image then (assuming you have a working internet connection). Do you already know if you want to install a desktop environment and if so: which?
04:33<babilen>dpkg: firmware image
04:33<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
04:33<bhuddah>QM85 is quite recent, right?
04:33<jm_>q85? that's new so amd64 would be ok too presumably
04:33<bhuddah>you should be able to use the amd64 image.
04:33<bhuddah>jm_ ^^
04:33<viscera>bhuddah, barely related but still good http://xkcd.com/518/
04:33<Doophus>For now: just command line for me to learn linux on, so nothing figured out yet unfortunately...
04:33<Doophus>Okay :)
04:34<bhuddah>viscera: no that's not the rules. only stricly relating on-topic xkcd's ^^
04:34<viscera>bhuddah, but... but... i like it!
04:34<Doophus>Thanks very much for your help (again)
04:34<bhuddah>or babilen is going to warn us about that (again)
04:35<bhuddah>or who was it the last time?
04:35<babilen>bhuddah: Yes, it was me. I strongly prefer to concentrate on actual support in here and leave the "fun" part of it to #debian-offtopic.
04:35<Doophus>Will try the i386 now. Cheers!
04:35<babilen>There is enough noise in this channel already at times. No need to add to it.
04:36<bhuddah>i think you are right. keep the business here.
04:36<viscera>wishlist item: joining #debian automatically joins you to #debian-offtopic also
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04:36<txt-file>I still have a problem with my debconf. I removed cdebconf (because its not really needed) but it looks like my system still tries to use cdebconf instead of debconf http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?cbf77e22be6d58a6#szdnVS6Po0plUjVvHqTGTZQeFS4vntO1n9L7lbmujEU=
04:37<viscera>that way you can quickly switch there and say the funny/offtopic thing without wondering "but is everybody in the original conversation going to see my comment, or should i just say it here?"
04:38<babilen>Doophus: That is a fairly recent chipset. I would be surprised if it doesn't support amd64
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04:39<Doophus>Babilen: Yeah, no problem, I'm just seeing last time I booted up the notebook that the things on there are mainly intel: so if i386 means intel then maybe it is better or you have a reason to install amd64 instead?
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04:39<Doophus>(is it because I might one day be able to use more ram etc. to use 64 bit maybe?)
04:39<babilen>dpkg: why amd64
04:39<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64
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04:40<babilen>dpkg: i386 is 32bit and amd64 is 64bit and I would generally recommend the latter if your hardware support it and I would be surprised if yours doesn't.
04:40<dpkg>...but i386 is already something else...
04:40<babilen>err
04:41<babilen>Doophus: ^^^
04:41<Doophus>haha thanks :)
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04:41<Doophus>Okay no problems, will download amd64
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04:42<Doophus>How awesome is this support channel. *thumbs up*
04:42<babilen>Grab the firmware image. After the installation make sure to also install intel-microcode (software updates for your CPU) and to use an /etc/apt/sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/87240
04:42<babilen>dpkg: tell Doophus -about debian handbook
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04:43<babilen>Doophus: The Debian Handbook is a free (beer and speech) excellent book on Debian. I would strongly recommend to read it as it will answer all your questions (and more)
04:43<Doophus>Great, I will :)
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04:44<babilen>Doophus: In particular http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html will probably come in handy soon
04:45<babilen>Doophus: Is there anything else we can help you with?
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04:45<Doophus>No, that is all babilen, thanks! I'll go read that manual while I'm waiting for that image to download
04:45<Doophus>Cheers again.
04:46<babilen>Have fun
04:47<neo1691>can I suspend my laptop using systemd?
04:47<neo1691>systemctl suspend doesn't seem to work!
04:48<jm_>are you using debian testing?
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04:50<poste>salut
04:50<poste>salut
04:50<poste>salut
04:51<poste>salut
04:51<jm_>!fr
04:51<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
04:51<poste>salut
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04:51<neo1691>jm_: No stable
04:51<Stummi>poste, do you have a question?
04:51<jm_>neo1691: I wouldn't bother with such old version of systemd
04:51<babilen>neo1691: same here
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04:53<neo1691>Okay! so I need to migrate to testing! I wonder how other desktops like xfce or gnome can suspend my laptop without systemd
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04:54<babilen>neo1691: They simply require logind, but the rest of systemd is quite old in stable (and testing fwiw)
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04:54*babilen wonders when we'll finally see > 204
04:54<SynrG>neo1691: there are multiple methods of suspend. in fact, some current bugs in jessie relating to suspend have it happening either twice or not at all :/
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04:55<SynrG>(because of there being multiple ways)
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04:55<neo1691>SynrG: I see, I am not interested in systemd, I just want a way to logout/reboot/shutdown/suspend/hibernate from i3wm itself.
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04:56<neo1691>Right now I need to logout to lightdm and suspend/reboot from there! No point in suspending after closing i3wm
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04:56<SynrG>a launcher that wraps a suspend in sudo would be fine
04:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 655] by debhelper
04:57<jm_>heh I used s2ram and s2disk for that back then
04:58<SynrG>or else wrap i3wm in a session with policykit and tell it to suspend that way (via dbus-send, i guess?)
04:58<neo1691>s2ram and s2disk! Will find more about that, SynrG If nothing else works that will be my last option
04:58<SynrG>that's the way most desktops do it
04:58<SynrG>well, i would've said pm-suspend and pm-hibernate, but whatever :)
04:59<SynrG>do you have pm-utils?
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04:59<neo1691>So there are actually too many ways!
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05:00<SynrG>pm-utils is the standard back-end to handle the suspend itself, afaik
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05:00<SynrG>via /etc/pm hooks can handle various jobs that need to be performed
05:00<neo1691>Being born in the new era, there are many things that needs to be learn. I think I should go through a course of LFS to get a hang of all these things!
05:01<SynrG>so 'sudo pm-suspend' will suspend (assuming you have sudo set up). and a launcher to 'sudo pm-suspend'
05:01<SynrG>s/and/and add/
05:01<SynrG>that's probably the most straightforward way
05:02<SynrG>likewise 'sudo halt', 'sudo reboot', 'sudo pm-hibernate'
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05:04<neo1691>I can just write a simple script and assign the script to execute by binding it to some key in i3
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05:08<SynrG>neo1691: or that, yes
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05:09<neo1691>There are just too many options!
05:10<SynrG>yeah. but i would say jessie is not a good option unless you are prepared for all of the rough edges in testing
05:10<SynrG>it takes a commitment to engage with debian and help make it better for the next release.
05:10<neo1691>No way, I will install testing in a seperate vmbox to help the developers, but I just can't stay on the edge for now
05:11<neo1691>I understand!
05:11<neo1691>You guys just rock!
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05:14<neo1691>Have anyone here heard about the vim plugin youcompleteme?
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05:16<hiva_>hi team :). I want to create a .deb package which copy a shell script in /etc/MyTarget/MyFile.sh and then execute it. i've used "preinst" to create MyTarget, "install" file to copy file, and "postinst" to run it. but it sounds "install" copies files after executing postinst. So, postinst cant execute MyFile.sh . I tryed to use dh_override_build, but it failed too! Does any one know how can i do that?
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05:41<SynrG>hiva: there are so many problems with that i don't know where to begin :)
05:41<SynrG>and is really the topic for #debian-mentors in any case
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05:42<hiva>SynrG: tanks :)
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05:47<smx38>batman?
05:47<alumne1smx>
05:49<ussaygrees>nasılsınız
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05:50<ussaygrees>arkadaşlar pardus güncelleme nasıl yapacagım bilgi lütfen
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05:54<ussaygrees>arkadaşlar yardım lütfen
05:54<SynrG>!tr
05:54<dpkg>from memory, tr is t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
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05:55<Stummi>is it just me or are the utf8-characters broken on this one?
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05:55<SynrG>yes
05:55<jm_>maybe it's not utf8?
05:55<SynrG>exactly
05:55<SynrG>it should be and isn't
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05:56<SynrG>and should start <reply> in any case
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05:59<ussaygrees>yardım lütfen
06:00<ussaygrees>güncellleme nasıl yapılıyor
06:01<SynrG>ussaygrees: sorry, English only here.
06:02<ussaygrees>help
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06:07<SynrG>too bad. but i did join #debian.tr @ freenode to confirm existence of the channel and solicited help from the one user there to improve the factoid.
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06:18<bea>small issue: i have an nfs volume in fstab, and i have something in rc.local that is supposed to access the nfs mount, but it fails. is there a more 'proper' solution to this than adding a loop to rc.local that sleeps until mountpoint /mnt/nfsvolume is true?
06:18<bea>can i define boot dependencies for rc.local? isn't it supposed to run last anyway?
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06:46<cateract>Is there client to fetch/send my emails through cli, like mutt?
06:46<cateract>I know mutt, but can't configure it inside proxy network with username and password extension
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06:47<cateract>I want to configure the client for my gmail account
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07:05<musca>cateract: if your proxy prevents the usage of the needed protocols, why do you think an other tool would help here?
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07:11<cateract>musca, It was just a thought, because I don't really know it my proxy prevents the required protocols.
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07:12<cateract>musca, Let me again give it a try, and come here. At least now I know one possible reason of not connecting
07:12<cateract>musca, thanks
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07:28<jesus>hola
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07:28<jesus>sois unas cerdas
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07:45<ila_korea>Who konw this error code : NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_USER (domain trust problem)
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07:46<ila_korea>I did ad, samba, wins
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07:55<musca>ila_korea: perhaps you should consider to ask in a channel more specialized on samba
07:55<musca>!samba
07:55<dpkg>Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>.
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09:01<BEHAEL>'Ello
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09:03<BEHAEL>let's say I created 5 diff debian installs, each one has its own particularity.
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09:04<BEHAEL>then I rsynced to another host and created a tar.gz/bz/xz, w/e, ignoring a few dirs (dev, proc, tmp, and so on).
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09:05<BEHAEL>and for fast deploying I want to network boot a custom-mini-installer , with a partitioner, basic kernel.
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09:06<BEHAEL>And, instead do proceed with the normal installing process I want to decompress that rsynced into /
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09:06<BEHAEL>Imagine a network booted and a menu is give to me: Install debian 1, Install debian 2, and so on.
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09:07<BEHAEL>Any tips regarding this problem ?
09:07<abrotman>so you want an automated install ?
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09:08<BEHAEL>I suppose so, sorry I am still a noob
09:08<abrotman>dpkg: tell BEHAEL about preseed
09:08<abrotman>dpkg: tell BEHAEL about fai
09:08<abrotman>two options for you
09:09<BEHAEL>those 5 debians are pre-configured with some packs and so on, each one has its role.
09:09<abrotman>dpkg: tell BEHAEL about fai
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09:09<BEHAEL>I want to deploy it faster
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09:09<BEHAEL>sec, let me read that
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09:09<abrotman>read them both please
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09:10<BEHAEL>abrotman, fascinating!
09:10<BEHAEL>researching about those two right now!
09:11<abrotman>They work differently, please read about both.
09:11<blackest>hi i'm feeling really stupid i need to configure a static ip but although i set it up in interfaces i end up with a dhcp address
09:11<BEHAEL>abrotman, thank you very much! I will looking them both
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09:13<blackest>ifconfig says http://paste.debian.net/87269/
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09:15<blackest>/etc/network/interfaces has this http://paste.debian.net/87270/
09:16<Brigo>blackest, is there a dhcp-client running?
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09:16<jm_>blackest: you need to add eth0 to auto line and maybe you have something else managing your interfaces
09:18<blackest>think so i just added auto eth0 so i will try again
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09:19<blackest>hmm it says Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
09:19<blackest>done.
09:20<jm_>what says that?
09:20<blackest>/etc/init.d/networking restart
09:20<jm_>remove the : from eth0: in interfaces file
09:20<blackest>ok
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09:22<blackest>RTNETLINK answers: File exists
09:22<blackest>Failed to bring up eth0.
09:22<blackest>maybe something is on my desired ip
09:22<jm_>that's probably because it's already configured
09:23<blackest>hmm actually a ping gets a reply so something is there
09:23<blackest>i think i'd better try a different ip for static
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09:24<jm_>do you have netowrk manager configuring interfaces?
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09:24<blackest>i think so do i need to uninstall it
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09:25<jm_>I think you can tell it to not manage an interface, or maybe it also knows not to do it if interfaces has it configure (can't say as I never used it)
09:25<jm_>so maybe unconfiguring the interface then restarting NM might help
09:26<jm_>or rather, stop NM, unconfigure it if needed, start NM and try again
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09:26<jm_>unconfigure it = unconfigure your interface
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09:27<blackest>hmm i cant uninstall it without taking out gnome
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09:27<jm_>yeah don't do that, you should be able to manage your interfaces manually even if NM is installed
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09:28<jm_>from the debian wiki: As of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", NetworkManager does not manage any interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces by default.
09:28<jm_>so I think it should be OK after the above procedure
09:28<jm_>more info here https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager
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09:40<BEHAEL>abrotman, I read about them. They're fascinating solutions.
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09:41<BEHAEL>abrotman, I guess I can work with it, it will install (dpkg my packs) and I can uncompress my custom confs. I guess
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09:41<abrotman>BEHAEL: that's one method
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09:44<BEHAEL>abrotman, call me crazy, But I have been doing this: install a basic netinst, then I just rsync my whole custom distro on top of it. =(. Rebooting and apt-get update works just fine
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09:44<BEHAEL>abrotman, we cant clonezilla b/c disks are diff, partitions requesting are diff
09:45<BEHAEL>otherwise I would just clonezilla tho network
09:45<BEHAEL>=(
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09:57<nonconvergent>Uff, tried to get a schroot going but my user lacks permissions for some reason
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09:58<nonconvergent>I'm in the sudo group.
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09:59<nonconvergent>On a related note, I changed the name of this user at one point and moved his home, so while everything else is correct, he is not in his username group. Might that be related?
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10:00<camino>Hello, I'm having a problem with updates. No mater what mirror I select, the speed is always less than 1KBps. I tried disabling IPv6. Also I switched to a different connection provider without luck. My connection speed is 6Mbps and I have no restriction on http. This problem is persistent using any debian based distribution. I tried ubuntu, debian and mint. CentOS and fedora didn't show similar problems. Any guidance will be really appreciated. Thanks
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10:08<planetmaker>not that I see any such problem. But did you also try different mirrors?
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10:14<camino>@planetmaker yes i tried many mirrors same problem always
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10:18<lolz>hello
10:18<Maulkin>!ask
10:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:33<apachepost>camino: can you post your sources.list? [e.g. http://paste.debian.net/]
10:33<apachepost> it would also help to know which type of system you have
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10:36<camino>@apachepost im using mint for now. paste.debian.net/87286
10:37<planetmaker>camino, this is the debian support channel. Other OS are not supported here
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10:38<camino>@planetmaker 2 hours ago i had the same problem with wheezy. yesterday with jessie and the day before it with ubuntu. It's a apt/debian based problem :)
10:39<camino>not related to mirrors or specific repo
10:39<camino>something is wrong somewhere with apt on all of those machines running in my office. i need to figure out why
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10:40<camino>if I browse or wget the packages I download them instantly. but when using apt, it in b/s !
10:41<sney>file a bug, then
10:41<BEHAEL>camino, even mirror in another country ?
10:41<BEHAEL>camino, here in brazil, they're working just fine. For wheezy and sid/jessy.
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10:42<camino>@BEHAEL yes man, even for other mirros in other countries. if I browse the mirrors using the browser they work just fine ! when I try to use apt or aptitude it's as slow as a turtle
10:43<camino>does apt use anything other than http for networking ?
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10:43<dedey>hi
10:44<sney>it can use ftp but it depends on what's in your sources.list
10:44<camino>sney yes true, i already tried ftp with the same problem.
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10:44<sney>I think there are other transport options as well, packaged separately, but those are the main ones
10:44<camino>no firewall nothing ... this is driving me crazy ..\
10:44<sney>it really sounds like you have all the information for a bug report
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10:46<BEHAEL>camino, I can just say "wtf?" that's really weird
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10:47<camino>@sney the reason why im asking is that i have a bsd based firewall at the office. ftp and http are not blocked and of course outgoing connections aren't. that's why im asking if there is some port or protocol that i should keep an eye for..
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10:47<camino>@BEHAEL :)
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10:50<dante_>camino, you can't bypass the firewall for a test? seems like port 20/21 are locked
10:51<dante_>if you use ftp
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10:55<camino>@dante_ I've tried that already
10:56<nonconvergent>camino: how about an http mirror?
10:56<apachepost>camino no firewall or yes firewall :D
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10:57<camino>@nonconvergent I tried many in vain
10:57<camino>@apachepost hehehe i tried both :)
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10:58<nonconvergent>camino: don't use @. This isn't twitter.
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10:58<nonconvergent>camino: Most irc clients highlight in some manner if you say a user's name first thing on the line, with no sigils.
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10:59<camino>nonconvergent my bad.
10:59<nonconvergent>:)
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10:59<camino>:)
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10:59<camino>haven't used irc in a long while
10:59<nonconvergent>camino: Try pinging a mirror?
10:59<nonconvergent>traceroute?
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11:00<camino>noncenvergent traceroute shows a high delay on some hops, however wget always manages to get the package using the full bandwidth i have. ping is less than 80 ms
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11:07<camino>apachepost nonconvergent dante_ BEHAEL sney thank you guys, it's definitely a firewall problem, I just bypassed it and it worked ! thank you guys for your time :)
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11:08<BEHAEL>camino, np. Still "wtf firewall rules was that?"
11:08<apachepost>congratulations ;)
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11:09<BEHAEL>camino, anti-debian firewall ?
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11:09<BEHAEL>haha :)
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11:09<camino>@BEHAEL still didn't catch it, im going to check it on wireshark to check the ports being used.
11:09<camino>hahahaha
11:09<camino>well it's a bsd firewall, could be :P
11:09<BEHAEL>=)
11:09<camino>although debian have a bsd release :P
11:09<dante_>BEHAEL, hahaha
11:10<BEHAEL>hahaha
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11:21<mazze>My Debian webserver seems very busy since a couple of weeks, and I cannot understand why. Now I found out that the apache2-process maintains a lot of connections to IPs I do not know and I do not understand. There are lines in "netstat -ap" like:
11:21<mazze>tcp 0 21300 arbiter.the-lions.:http ns4007554.ip-192-:52160 ESTABLISHED 27212/apache2
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11:22<petn-randall>grove: No problem, just wanted to mention it for future reference.
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11:22<mazze>In an IP-Trace, I see that many packets per second are sent from my server, and sometimes also received, like:
11:22<mazze>IP 37-187-92-173.ip.as39912.net.61087 > arbiter.the-lions.org.http: Flags [P.], seq 2892737672:2892738138, ack 2616860055, win 260, length 466
11:23<mazze>Is there some malware on my server? How could I find out? Where do I start?
11:23<petn-randall>mazze: Isn't that what a webserver is supposed to do? Make network connections and exchange data?
11:23<petn-randall>s/Make/Receive/
11:24<mazze>petn-randall Obviously, it is. But the apache-logs don't mention a lot of requests.
11:25<mazze>furthermore, these seem to stay "ESTABLISHED" most of the time, and with HTTP being stateless, I would not expect that.
11:25<petn-randall>mazze: Can you paste the output of 'netstat -anpt' to http://paste.debian.net?
11:25<mazze>Finally, this behaviour seems to eat up all bandwidth, the machine is not responding good enough any more.
11:25<Brigo>mazze, try search about rootkits software.
11:25<mazze>Brigo I tried chkrootkit but that detected nothing ... :(
11:25<petn-randall>mazze: HTTP is "kinda" stateless, but TCP definitely isn't.
11:26<nonconvergent>Uff, tried to get a schroot going but my user lacks permissions for some reason
11:26<nonconvergent>I'm in the sudo group.
11:26<nonconvergent>On a related note, I changed the name of this user at one point and moved his home, so while everything else is correct, he is not in his username group. Might that be related?
11:27<Brigo>you can try to: wapiti, w3af, spikeproxy ....
11:27<mazze>petn-randall before stopping apache2, I saved a "netstat -ap | grep apache2". It is not at http://paste.debian.net/87292/
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11:28<petn-randall>mazze: Looks normal to me. How do you come to the conclusion that it's malware?
11:29<mazze>and on http://paste.debian.net/87294/ I have the iptrace
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11:30<mazze>petn-randall Let's I thought I came to the conclusion that "it might be" malware. I honestly do not know. But when apache logs no accesses, why should there be so many packets per second sent?
11:30<petn-randall>mazze: Looks also normal to me, you can't see what's being served from the tcpdump.
11:31<mazze>petn-randall thanks for looking at those things, I should be happy then to have to malware onboard. But then, the new question is:
11:32<mazze>when I start apache2, why does performance get so bad?
11:32<petn-randall>mazze: Portscans? How many vhosts do you have configured, what is usually being served? Then you maybe have it configured that every vhost is logging somewhere else. Did you check all the log files?
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11:32<ping_uin>(nearly) fresh debian install here. I activated the testing repository. Now if i want to install for example smuxi (irc client), apt-get tells me, that it has to update 130, install 127 and remove 199 packages. why? Under the packages that need to be removed are "gnome" "empathy", "evince",... With unactivated testing repo it behaves "normal" for me (install smuxi package with it's dependencies)
11:32<mazze>the first thing that happens is a connection to 37.187.135.32:53416.
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11:33<mazze>petn-randall I have multiple vhosts and logfiles, and I checked them all for explaining entries ...
11:34<mazze>petn-randall and it does not seem to be CPU-time that is the performance-hit, but only the bandwidth which seems to be eaten up by apache2-traffic
11:34<petn-randall>ping_uin: You cannot mix stable and testing. That's a recipe for a broken system.
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11:34<Brigo>ping_uin, becuase you have the smusi for wheezy, depending on wheezy libreries. If you install the jessi smusi you must have to install the jessi libreries too, and remove the wheezy ones, and the programs depending on them.
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11:35<petn-randall>Brigo: You cannot mix stable and testing. Either you run stable (+ backports), or you run testing. Everything else will break and is unsupported.
11:35<petn-randall>!frankendebian
11:35<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
11:35<nonconvergent>ping_uin: Define 'activated'
11:35<mazze>I thought, maybe I could trace not only the metadata but also the full data to find out, if this is traffic I want to provide or something else ...
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11:36<nonconvergent>petn-randall: my guess is he doesn't know what pinning is, he just hasn't bothered to run dist-upgrade since changing his sources.
11:37<ping_uin>yes you are all correct. i think i should reread some pages concerning stable/testing,..
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11:38<petn-randall>mazze: Capture the traffic, and check which GET requests are made. Then check the corresponding log file. I'm pretty sure it has to end up in one of apache2 log files. Did you just check the CustomLog, or also the ErrorLog?
11:39<petn-randall>ping_uin: If you upgrade to testing, you're a willing guinea pig for the next release of Debian.
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11:40<mazze>petn-randall I just checked the logfiles again and grepped there for the IPs: There are requests. Seemingly always to the wordpress installation ...
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11:41<petn-randall>mazze: Is the wordpress installation current? There have been a few high profile exploits for older versions. Check the GET parameters, if they look suspicious, you can google them and might find an exploit to it.
11:41<ping_uin>petn-randall: i have no problem with that. wan't to tinker a bit with linux :)
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11:42<mazze>petn-randall If this is a person surfing towards my boring website, it is very persisting: requests are made 'round the clock, with no breaks :D
11:42<mazze>I will have a look into wordpress.
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11:46<michealpwalls>Hey everyone. I was hoping somebody could help me troubleshoot Heat issues in Debian 7.4 Wheezy with open-source Radeon drivers? The issue only seems to affect me when I'm using the open source radeon driver. Switching to fglrx isn't a viable solution, unfortunately.
11:46<michealpwalls>Any ideas?
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11:46<petn-randall>mazze: Every search engine has it's web spiders, and then there are tons of script kiddies trying their luck with your machine. With a public facing web server, you'll *always* have connection attempts, all around the clock.
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11:47<mazze>petn-randall and those scripts seem to add comments to wordpress-pages. Obviously, my wordpress-user allows everybody without authentification to comment. SPAM.
11:47<michealpwalls>Did my message get sent? LOL my wifi is so flaky :S
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11:49<mazze>petn-randall thank you for your help, I now know where to look for :)
11:50<michealpwalls>I was hoping somebody could help me troubleshoot Heat issues in Debian 7.4 Wheezy with open-source Radeon drivers? The issue only seems to affect me when I'm using the open source radeon driver. Switching to fglrx isn't a viable solution, unfortunately.
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11:52<michealpwalls>Sorry if I indeed sent that twice^
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11:54<sney>michealpwalls: try a newer kernel, and make sure you have firmware-linux-nonfree
11:54<gsimmons>michealpwalls: You may want to try adjusting the radeon driver's power management options (http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index3h2).
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11:56<petn-randall>mazze: Ouch. Glad we got this debugged.
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11:56<michealpwalls>Thanks sney and gsimmons!
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11:57<michealpwalls>sney: I have installed firmware-linux-nonfree and confirmed with dmesg/grep that I have all the right radeon drm microcode loaded
11:57<michealpwalls>gsimmons: Reading now, thx very much!
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11:58<michealpwalls>Thanks to AMD/ATI, I've had such an uphill battle with this laptop (AMD A10 with radeon 7670M). Basically I've given up entirely with fglrx (giggle)
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12:01<trico>if youre going to buy amd, try to buy a couple versions behind the latest. hd6000 should be good, maybe 7000 too
12:01<michealpwalls>Damn wifi... the wired network wont let me connect to IRC and the wireless goes up and down up and down :(
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12:11<michealpwalls>This is probably going to seem like a dumb question but... Vi wont let me write changes to these power-management files (sys/class/drm/card*/device/power_profile/, for example). Says the 'file has been changed since reading it'
12:12<michealpwalls>wait, nvm, think I got it
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12:13<michealpwalls>Are they kernel parameters, maybe? :/
12:13<Brigo>michealpwalls, exactly.
12:13<michealpwalls>Ohhh, duh. Righto, thanks! So for being so dense :P
12:14<gsimmons>michealpwalls: Consider installing the sysfsutils package and defining your settings in /etc/sysfs.conf, for applying these through an init script.
12:14<michealpwalls>So it's using "profile" and the profile selected is "default".. I'm thinking either switch to dpm or change the profile to "low" (Graphics performance isn't an issue, I just want a very stable and reliable development system)
12:14<michealpwalls>Ohh, good advice! Thanks again!
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12:25<HorusWar>Salut a tous
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12:26<HorusWar>il y a t-il un connaisseur de la partition rootfs ?
12:26<rwhite>After installing a flavor of squeeze I am having issues with my NIC. AR81 family (I have found the drivers) but I need to install build-essentials and the headers. Is there a way to do this without using apt-get and an internet connection?
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12:28<labyrinth153>rwhite, you could download the packages on another machine and transfer over with a usb flash drive
12:29<michealpwalls>Time to test! brb
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12:29<rwhite>I was attempting to do that, I downloaded the debian-testing cd1 and mounted it, once I get that, can I use apt-get to install from CDRom would be the question I suppose
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12:31<HorusWar>hello, i have a probleme with my partition rootfs. she was full. 320mb auto-install debian 7.0. Its possible to change de rootfs ?
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12:33<toton>How I check which kernel module is responsible for my ethernet device? It is "6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller"
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12:34<toton>I mean, I need to load the module, but I don't know where to look for it.
12:34<nonconvergent>What determines if a user has permissions to access a schroot?
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12:35<toton>@nonconvergent I would look at /etc/pam.d/schroot first
12:37<toton>Or maybe, is there any table of all ever existing kernel modules?
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12:38<nonconvergent>I dunno.
12:38<nonconvergent>I managed to set one up on another machine without editing /etc/pam.d/schroot
12:39<toton>The problem is, my eth0 disappeared and looks like there is no kernel module for it anymore (after updated to 3.2.0-4-amd64)
12:39<toton>Does anybody know how to google for the proper module name?
12:40<toton>I'm out of ideas.
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12:41<ectospasm>toton: does lspci -nn show the Ethernet device?
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12:41<ectospasm>maybe search for the code [xxxx:yyyy] for clues.
12:42<toton>Yes, and lshw says it is UNCLAIMED
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12:43<ectospasm>Well, if you google for the PCI ID you should be able to determine which module services the card.
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12:45<toton>Thanks, trying with PCI id, no module name so far, but at least some result I can look at.
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12:51<michealpwalls>LOL now I really did it... Installed sysfsutils, added ~4 lines to /etc/sysfs.conf. Debian will not boot, even in Recovery Mode hehe. I guess the kernel can't load with my additional options. I'm thinking I'll have to wait 'till I get home from work before I can fix. Have no liveCDs here :S
12:52<michealpwalls>I'm thinking if I clear those lines from /etc/sysfs.conf from a liveCD and reboot it should boot fine again.
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12:55<labyrinth153>michealpwalls: I think the normal debian installer can do a chroot (rescue mode) right?
12:56<michealpwalls>I'm new to debian, I'm not sure.
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12:57<michealpwalls>I wonder if changing power_method to dpm *and* changing power_profile to "low" was a bit irrational. power_profile is a setting specific to when power_method = profile I think. Maybe including both causes an issue? I'm grasping at straws.
12:58<michealpwalls>Oh! I remember, I set everything twice... Once for class/drm/card0/.... and again for class/drm/card1
12:58<michealpwalls>Perhaps *that* was wrong. If I have two gpus, would I only set options for card0 and not card1? :S
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13:17<nuovolnx>ciao
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13:18<nuovolnx>non riesco ad avviare gimp tramite crontab, qualcuno di voi sa come si fa?
13:18<bhuddah>!it
13:18<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:19<nuovolnx>ok thank you
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13:42<Tr0n>I am setting up my wii router and set authentication to radius how to I connect my wifi to it
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14:30<rostam>HI Is there any reference on how to install debian with secure boot enabled?
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14:33<kie>Hello all,just got divorce from Win XP.Learning the new linux
14:35<musca>hello rostam, secure boot is a method to restrict your usage of hardware.
14:35<musca>!secure boot
14:35<dpkg>"Secure boot" is a hardware restriction feature of the <UEFI> specification. It prevents the loading of drivers / operating system loaders not signed with an accepted digital signature. While Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), secure boot is currently not supported. See https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot for secure boot implementation concerns.
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14:36<rostam>musca, thx
14:36<kie>one thing ,is how to play,flash player in facebook,game?
14:37<musca>rostam: Do you really want Microsoft to decide what can be booted on your hardware?
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14:38<musca>!flash
14:38<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
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14:40<kie>which one best for Debian 7.4,gnash?
14:41<musca>the free implementations usually have some problems with newest flash features. might work or not.
14:41<SamB>what, are they still adding features?
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14:43<musca>kie: adobe doesn't develope the linux flash player any more, so pepper flash from chrome is most up to date.
14:43<kie>so if non free,do that mean you pay for it
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14:44<musca>you can pick the plugin from chrome and run it in chromium.
14:44<SamB>kie: well, there's no cash involved, but it's not without cost ...
14:44<musca>!pepper flash
14:44<dpkg>Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree <contrib> Debian package (in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>) can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser. http://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
14:44<kie>going to try pepper,thanks you.
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14:55<subzero>hi
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15:36<Hum>Hi
15:37<DNS>Lo
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15:39<Hum>"btrfs filesystem defragment -v -c lzo /" gives me "failed to open lzo" "open:: No such file or directory" and btrfs ends. Any hints, what packages is missing?
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15:42<valdyn>Hum: -c does not take a parameter
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15:43<Billybob>Sup fellas I am havering a problem updating my system, we'll it will not update and when I took a look at sources.list seen something odd
15:43<babilen>dpkg: tell Billybob -about bat
15:44<Hum>valdyn: later in man page it is told " filesystem defragment -c [zlib|lzo] ..."
15:44<Billybob>Says " #wheezy-update, previously known as 'volatitle'
15:44<valdyn>Hum: not in my manpage
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15:45<centrx>And...it's gone
15:46<valdyn>Hum: *my* manpage (and that is on debian) has not even one ocurrence of "lzo"
15:46<Hum>valdyn: man btrfs(8) ? btrfs --version Btrfs Btrfs v0.19
15:47<valdyn>Hum: im having a look at wheezy btrfs, i looked in sid
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15:49<valdyn>Hum: try "-clzo" without space
15:50<Hum>valdyn: finished without probs
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15:50<valdyn>and this works in sid too, even though the manpage does no longer mention it
15:50<valdyn>i cant say if it *really* compresses though
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15:51<Hum>valdyn: time real 0m0.044s looks strange to me, but thx for your help
15:52<valdyn>Hum: you need to set recursing on
15:52<valdyn>Hum: / is not a big file..
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15:54<Hum>valdyn: yes, -r doesn't work for me as it is mentioned in the arch wiki
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16:03<Hum2>valdyn: Maybe I found a bug
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16:08<Hum2>valdyn: I can reproduce the kernel panic. I use "cd /usr; btrfs filesystem defragment -v -clzo */*/*" THX for your help. I go to bed, maybe someone can reproduce it. I will try to report a bug in the next days, if noone else does.
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16:08<aaron83>hey
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16:08<Daimwn>hey to all so i got an issue i am in testing and i got an ati hd4650 i cant put the legacy drivers cause of xorg version so i got radeon open driver but it works with the stable 3.2 kernel but not with testing 3.12 any ideas?
16:08<Hum2>valdyn: btw "cd /usr;ls */*/*" works
16:09<aaron83>hey exec a script implementing tc output that: RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory
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16:10<aaron83>in san google speak about a sch_netem kernel module
16:11<aaron83>i cant find that in repo.....its a kernel-pae-extras
16:11<aaron83>any ideas?
16:12<aaron83>Daimwn download an official driver from ati..its work
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16:14<aaron83>tc output RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory......dont see my interface????????
16:14<JoelNickinson>Hi, does anyone know what file has the "recently used" files in the file/folder selection dialogues?
16:15<Daimwn>it works with xorg 1.15 and kernel 3.12 or newer cause as far as i know legacy driver work up until 1.14 and kernel 3.11
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16:42<andrewd18>I'm running Debian 7 amd64, and I'm trying to cross-compile against some 32-bit GTK+ libraries. I think I need to install "gtk+-2.0-dev:i386" but that's trying to remove a lot of amd64 apps including g++-multilib. What should I be using for 32-bit GTK+ libraries on an amd64 system?
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16:52<Guest3119>hi guys
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16:54<jimpop>so, wrt SUA 49-1 (Updated clamav version) when will that hit the mirrors?
16:54<Guest3119>any 1 from brazil?
16:55<jimpop>Guest3119: try #debian-br
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16:57<Guest3119>brazilian hackers?
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16:57<Xylon>Hi, how often is it recommended to update a Debian system?
16:58<babilen>Xylon: As soon as there are updates
16:58<dondelelcaro>Xylon: for a stable system, any time there is a security update which affects you
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16:59<Xylon>I normally check once a week but it's boring
16:59<Xylon>when I used windows it was only once a month
16:59<jimpop>Xylon: install apticron and have it send you an email when there are updates
17:00<Xylon>jimpop, that's cool, thankyou
17:01<jimpop>yw
17:02<Xylon>in fact, that's awesome because I can put it on my servers
17:03<Maulkin>Xylon: The difference with Windows is we don't wait a month to issue security updates.
17:04<centrx>Xylon, You can automate it if you like
17:04<Xylon>I know, but security and convenience can conflict sometimes :)
17:04<ncl>install systemd
17:04<centrx>Xylon, You can also do it once a month if you want your security updates to be as slow as Windows
17:04<ncl>whoops wrong channel
17:04<Xylon>centrx, XD
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17:06<Xylon>If I enable update checking on my android it finds updates every f*cking
17:06<Xylon>day
17:06<Xylon>sorry I was gonna delete that sentence to avoid swearing in the channel but then I accidentally pressed return
17:07<ncl>the fail is contagious
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17:10<luke>hi
17:10<Maulkin>Hi there. How can we help?
17:11<luke>actually i just came out of curiosity
17:11<centrx>Welcome to IRC
17:11<luke>i'm kind of new to the IRC world, could you explain to me the things that may be nice to know? :)
17:11<luke>thx
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17:12<centrx>luke, Every time you enter a channel, you have to say "HI EVERYONE I LIKE ROBOTS" in all caps
17:12<luke>yay, for automatic ban, yay
17:12<luke>i'm new, not stupid :)
17:13<centrx>Okay, second rule of IRC is: If someone comes in and says "test" to see if their messages are getting across, you have to reply "Test failed"
17:13<luke>haha that's so sweet of you.
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17:14<luke>but i was more talking about the way it works, i mean, how to check our own "security" on irc : how we can know if this network/channel is reliable or if it is going to invade my computer
17:14<wompa>luke, you can try to send the irc-bot "dpkg" by typing /msg dpkg irc primer
17:14<luke>how to know what ports are being opened for the use of irc
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17:15<luke>all this
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17:16<musca>Maulkin: it was reported that Microsoft informs the NSA six weeks before updates are released. So they even wait two months.
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17:16<luke>and how do you know that :o
17:17<luke>OH
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17:17<wompa>luke, are you using Debian?
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17:17<luke>eyup
17:17<luke>and i just thought about a debian question
17:18<luke>what would be the "best" image viewer? Light, fast, not 1817 integrated functions..?
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17:18<musca>luke: feh
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17:22<luke>musca, thx, that's what i'm talking about
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17:24<luke>mmh and to open some gifs?
17:24<wompa>luke, then maybe you found this channel by using Xchat and connecting to Debian, that should work to get you to official Debian channel, which is where you are now. Otherwise chances are you found the server via Debian's site. I guess you have to check http://www.oftc.net/ yourself to see if it's a trustworthy network.
17:25<luke>oh that's exactly what i did, coming here with xchat.
17:26<luke>I just wanted to collect some information about irc globally, how to be certain to go on irc securely
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17:29<centrx>luke, I wouldn't worry about simply connecting to a server or channel. There would have to be an exploit in your IRC client.
17:29<luke>mmh alright
17:29<centrx>luke, The more reasonable concern is if you download a file by DCC on IRC, or visit a link posted in a malicious channel, or are attacked out-of-band because your hostname/IP are visible
17:29<centrx>luke, e.g. /whois luke
17:30<luke>and what about a "hidden" irc, like we could have TOR for web browsers?
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17:31<centrx>luke, You can use Tor to connect to IRC. Some networks allow it, or have specific servers that accept Tor connections.
17:31<centrx>luke, Probably easier and faster to simply use SSL
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17:32<luke>i see
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17:35<luke>centrx, btw, what is this : "Received a CTCP VERSION from centrx", written in my client?
17:36<luke>oh, i also have a new question after reading about DCTC
17:36<luke>can someone implement a private and secure IRC with this protocol?
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17:36<centrx>luke, Anyone on IRC can send a CTCP message to your client, like PING, or VERSION. VERSION gets the version information about your IRC client. Generally, it is considered impolite if not potentially malicious.
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17:37<luke>Is it safe enough, or me must use something like SSH
17:38<centrx>luke, DCTC is not exactly related to IRC I believe
17:38<sney>irc supports ssl connections and some servers use it exclusively
17:38<luke>i think i understood it is a protocol of communication?
17:38<sney>there's also silc, which is supposed to be a secure-enhanced protocol that mostly does the same thing
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17:44<andrewd18>I'm running Debian 7 amd64, and I'm trying to cross-compile against some 32-bit GTK+ libraries. I think I need to install "gtk+-2.0-dev:i386" but that's trying to remove a lot of amd64 apps including g++-multilib. What should I be using for 32-bit GTK+ libraries on an amd64 system?
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17:55<cateract>I've one question, how does it different to access IRC over regular network and tor network
17:55<centrx>cateract, One way uses Tor?
17:56<cateract>how is anonimity is preserved with tor network for IRC
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17:56<cateract>centrx, are there any advantages to use tor
17:57<centrx>cateract, It prevents the IRC network/other users from knowing where you are connecting from
17:57<centrx>cateract, I don't see much of a reason to use it.
17:58<cateract>centrx, why is it so
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18:00<musca>cateract: Gandhinagar
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18:00<cateract>musca, what?
18:01<andrewd18>Ah, I found my answer. Bugzilla #689097 says they're not co-installable and it's a known issue until they fix it. /sigh Thanks.
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18:12<daimwn>how can i report a bug but i dont have any information besides what happens cause it hangs in the beggining?
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18:12<centrx>daimwn, Try running the program with debug/verbose options
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18:13<daimwn>did it hangs on black screen before i can see where it does
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18:13<centrx>daimwn, What program is this?
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18:14<daimwn>xserver-xorg-video-ati with a specific card though and specific kernel after 3.11
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18:19<centrx>daimwn, okay, so X logs to /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:20<daimwn>ok so i put these log in the bug right?
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19:01<john_>Hello! I'd like some help with selecting multiple files in a folder, while not being in it. Does anybody happen to know how to achieve this?
19:01<john_>From the command line that is
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19:03<grzechu>hello
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19:04<grzechu>Is somebodyfrom Poland?
19:04<centrx>john_, what command?
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19:04<musca>john_: you can use wildcards e.g. ls ~/some-directory/*
19:04<grzechu>I have big problem with my Debian
19:04<john_>Well lets say I'd like to copy 4 random files from my home folder to some random location.
19:05<john_>Something tells me it's something like /home/john/(filename,filename) /randomlocation/
19:05<john_>but I can't seem to get it working
19:06<m42>john_: try with { instead of ( ...
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19:06<john_>Ah, cheers!
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19:07<Brigo>grzechu, try to explain it.
19:07<musca>grzechu: you are welcome to describe your problem
19:07<musca>!pl
19:07<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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19:09<grzechu>My problem is with ati graphic card (and sound)
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19:11<musca>grzechu: which card is it? lspci -nn | grep -i vga
19:11<grzechu>I can wotch any movie,but fps test (glxgears) show me about 160fps
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19:13<grzechu>00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device [1002:980a]
19:14<Brigo>grzechu, and the problem is?
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19:16<grzechu>i can't watch any film, f.eks xbmc and totem are very slow
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19:17<Brigo>grzechu, ah, you can't, i see. :-)
19:17<Brigo>pciid [1002:980a]
19:17<grzechu>sorry, my foult :)
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19:17<Brigo>,pciid [1002:980a]
19:18<judd>[1002:980a] is 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 7290]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:980a and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
19:18<Brigo>grzechu, could you paste you Xorg.log in paste.debian.net?
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19:21<grzechu>i can't find this
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19:22<Brigo>grzechu, it is in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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19:22-!-us`0gb is "0gb.us" on #oftc #moocows #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian #
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19:26<adriano>is there anyone in here ?
19:26<adriano>hiiiiiiiiiiiiii
19:27<GOMF>ohai adriano
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19:29<grzechu>I sent
19:29<adriano>gomf do u speak portuguese ?
19:29<Brigo>grzechu, paste the link! :)
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19:30<GOMF>adriano, no
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19:31<grzechu>http://paste.debian.net/87399/
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19:35<Brigo>grzechu, it looks like quite good. What do you use to watch films?
19:36<grzechu>i was try totem and xbmc
19:37<valdyn>(EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols.
19:37<grzechu>i don't have sound in HDMI also
19:37<Brigo>valdyn, yes, but i think this is 3D issue ... :-m
19:37<valdyn> (EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initialization failed
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19:38<valdyn>why is direct rendering disabled though, *thats* not just 3D
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19:40<Brigo>this may be a problem too: [ 18.584] (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
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19:40<valdyn>that is no problem
19:40<grzechu>i was try many metods and last metod was install fglrx
19:41<valdyn>grzechu: is this a stock wheezy system or is it somehow modified?
19:41<grzechu>i try uninstall this now
19:41<valdyn>grzechu: trying fglrx might have broken alot of things..
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19:41<valdyn>(so its obviously not stock wheezy)
19:42<valdyn>grzechu: you should try "apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx", maybe you get lucky
19:42<grzechu>my wheezy is iso from debian.org
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19:42<valdyn>grzechu: no, actually it *was*, now its a mess
19:42<Brigo>fglrx is no in debian?
19:43<valdyn>Brigo: it is in debian
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19:43<valdyn>Brigo: but that does not change anything for this case
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19:44<valdyn>grzechu: show us the output for "update-alternatives --list glx"
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19:44<Brigo>valdyn, well, i wonder why you think he didnt install fglrx from debian
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19:45<akuma_>can anyon here help me setup oidentd.conf so it will only send username as ident on one IP instead of all the IPs attached to eth0
19:45<valdyn>Brigo: im not even thinking about that at all
19:45<valdyn>Brigo: fglrx will break mesa even if its from debian
19:45<Brigo>ah, ok.
19:45<valdyn>Brigo: the difference is that fglrx is easy to fix if its from debian
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19:47<grzechu>reinstal doesn't work "unknown option --reinstal"
19:47<valdyn>Brigo: all use different libGL etc., ideally by using the alternatives system, worst case they might just overwrite the files
19:47<valdyn>grzechu: maybe because i wrote it with double l: "--reinstall"
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19:48<valdyn>akuma_: edit /etc/oidentd_masq.conf
19:48<valdyn>akuma_: oops, that was wrong, nvm
19:49<akuma_>I know what to edit
19:49<akuma_>but what do I edit to it?
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19:51<valdyn>akuma_: I dont have time to read the whole docs, at first glace it seems that oidentd cant do that
19:52<valdyn>akuma_: and you would have to use iptables for that
19:52<Brigo>Its time for me to go, sorry, and bye
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19:53<grzechu>i will reboot system now and we will see
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19:54<akuma_>valdyn,
19:54<akuma_>to irc.example.org {
19:54<akuma_>reply "example"
19:54<akuma_>}
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19:54<akuma_>oops
19:55<akuma_>can I use an IP instead of irc.example.org
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19:56<grzechu>i have only wallpaper now
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20:20<Andersomcruz>hello everybody
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20:21<Andersomcruz>could someone help me?
20:21<Andersomcruz>someone here?
20:21<mtn>Ask your question and if anyone can help they will respond.
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20:22<Maulkin>!ask
20:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:23<Andersomcruz>all right. I don't speak english very well. Anything problem can ask me again. Let's go: I am try create a forward beteween two network conections using Iptables on Debian 7
20:23<Andersomcruz>but, just squid is working... I don't make a transparent proxy
20:24<Maulkin>!br
20:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:24<Maulkin>or:
20:24<Maulkin>!pt
20:24<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
20:24<Andersomcruz>do you know what i make?
20:25<Maulkin>Andersomcruz: However, we can also try and help here. Do you have any errors?
20:25<Maulkin>Andersomcruz: where exactly do you see your traffic getting to?
20:26<akuma_>/wc/wc
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20:27<Andersomcruz>i change this modules: ip_forward; change the forward betwenn networks;
20:28<Andersomcruz>use MASQUERADE
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20:30<Andersomcruz>before, this worked.
20:30<Maulkin>Andersomcruz: ok, what did you change?
20:30<Andersomcruz>i dont understand.
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20:32<Andersomcruz>i install new distribuition.
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20:34<Andersomcruz>i had the debain squeeze, and needed update my server. Later, the iptables don't worked right.
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20:39<Maulkin>Andersomcruz: Hrm, we need more information as to what's failing - there's no known problems in that area.
20:40<Maulkin>For example, how ar eyou setting up those tables?
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20:42<abrotman>and/or, what were the rules?
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20:48<Andersomcruz>#Firewall Criado por Anderson
20:48<Andersomcruz>#Faculdade Machado Sobrinho
20:48<Andersomcruz>#Tel (32)9132-3121
20:48<Andersomcruz>#!/bin/bash
20:48<Andersomcruz>echo "configurando placas de rede"
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20:59<so142001>Hello, I need help installing an ethernet driver in debian, anyone?
20:59<Maulkin>Possibly... please just ask away :)
21:00<Maulkin>!ask
21:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:03<Eco>sol42001 What brand ethernet card do you have. $lspci
21:04<Eco>and type ?
21:04<so142001>itSorry about my tardy responses
21:04<so142001>My card is onboard, it's an Atheros Communicatoin Device 1083
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21:05<Maulkin>a
21:05<Maulkin>so142001: What version of Debian are you runnign?
21:05<so142001>I"m running Debian 6.0.4
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21:06<Maulkin>so142001: You probably need Debian 7.x for that card
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21:07<Maulkin>(and indeed 7.4)
21:08<mahollowspe>hello could somene tell me how to switch from root back to normal user when using putty? Im working on debian 7.0
21:08<mahollowspe>thanks
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21:08<Maulkin>mahollowspe: how did you become root?
21:08<mahollowspe>yes by typing su
21:08<so142001>Are you sure I can't just install a driver file to make it work on 6.0.4?
21:09<Maulkin>mahollowspe: "logout"
21:09<centrx>mahollowspe, Or Ctrl-D (which issues logout/exit)
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21:10<Eco>sol42001 read this http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=983
21:10<mahollowspe>ok so just logout and log back in?
21:10<Maulkin>so142001: Yeah, you could try a new backpirted kernel, but I would strongly advise upgrading as security support for 6.x is due to finish soon anyway
21:10<Maulkin>mahollowspe: loutout should drop you back to a normal user
21:11<so142001>I understand, but it's application specific on the machine I am using
21:11<so142001>I just need the ethernet working
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21:19<so142001>Maulkin: did you mean backported?
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21:41<so142001>http://pastebin.com/vm42s5aJ
21:42<gsimmons>dpkg: ar8151
21:42<dpkg>The Atheros AR8151 v1.0 Gigabit Ethernet controller (PCI ID 1969:1073) is supported by the <atl1c> driver in Debian linux-image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-28 (bug #599771). AR8151 v2.0 (PCI ID 1969:1083) is supported by atl1c since Linux 2.6.36.
21:42<gsimmons>dpkg: tell so142001 -about bdo kernel squeeze
21:42<so142001>thanks
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22:42<pabs>I got a report that all the links in section 2d on this page are broken, could someone who does #debian support fix that? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines
22:43*abrotman drafts pabs to do #debian support
22:43*pabs does not have time, sorry!
22:44<abrotman>pabs: you can probably just remove the hyper links from that section
22:44<abrotman>though I wonder if they were meant to poin at a jargon file wiki reference thing
22:45<pabs>looks like that is true, perhaps I can find a better reference
22:45<abrotman>http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/flood.html for example
22:47<pabs>perfect, fixing
22:47<abrotman>I don't think I have wiki credentials
22:48<abrotman>If I do, I surely dn't remember them :)
22:49<pabs>only the away link doesn't seem to have an equivalent in the jargon file, any thoughts on an equivalent?
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22:50<abrotman>uhm .. we could link to the bot's 'away factoid?
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22:52<pabs>sounds good
22:53<Doophus>Where can I find a guide to do an unattended installation that will help me set up a network and SSH (tough call I know) using a predefined ssh password etc.? I've got the debian running on my notebook but the screen is failing and there's no way I can see it anymore without ssh (and the installer doesn't go to the VGA).... any ideas? :)
22:53<Doophus>Unattended installation of debian wheezy amd64 of course.
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22:56<rostam>HI I have two disk on my system. I like to install two instances of Debian (one on each disk) on this system. Is there a utility who could help me on this task please? thx
22:56<abrotman>pabs: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html the bot had this URL, seems appropriate?
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22:58<pabs>yep
22:59<pabs>done
23:00<pabs>abrotman: if you notice the away link changes, please get someone to update the wiki
23:00<abrotman>pabs: what are the chances a random URL would change? :)
23:00<pabs>:)
23:01*abrotman wonders why we don't just put this stuff directly in the wiki .. but whatever
23:01<rostam>HI I have two disk on my system. I like to install two instances of Debian (one on each disk) on this system. Is there a utility who could help me on this task please? thx
23:02<chealer>wow, "Avoid trolling the members"
23:04<chealer>rostam: uh, Debian's installer. I may not understand your question
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23:07<chealer>I haven't seen tarzeau in a while
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23:07<rostam>chealer, sorry for nothing being clear. We are building redundant system. There are two disks on our system, I need to install on each disk an instance of Debian. I am looking for some tools to help me on this process. thx
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23:08*abrotman wonders how this is redundant ?
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23:09<rostam>abrotman, so when system fails to boot, there will be watchdog timer (external to CPU) times out and the boot order is changed externally.
23:10*abrotman wonders how one would keep both installtoins up to date
23:12<rostam>abrotman, there are some scheme we are looking into it, we are not fully finalized but it has been done for our system that have Redhat.
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23:58<BlueG>I've been playing with different input methods and found I really like using the compose key. I found that GTK overrides Xorg's configurable compose feature for it's own.
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23:59<BlueG>By default, Xorg's configuration seems to support characters GTK doesn't and I can configure to add my own compose key combinations.
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