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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-03-14

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01:13<durasara>hello
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01:14<durasara>I just switched to debian from arch (chakra), and was wondering when/if the humerun package will be added to the repos
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01:15<durasara>as well as how to install it :/
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01:16<durasara>other than getting the tarball and compiling it that way. I'd like to add a repo so I can update it auto.
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01:17<centrx>durasara, It looks like it's already there?
01:17<durasara>hmm?
01:17<centrx>durasara, Unless you are referring to a different "homerun"?
01:17<durasara>homerun, as in kde4 plasma homerun
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01:19<centrx>durasara, Looks like it is just called something else in the package name
01:19<centrx>durasara, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=109163
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01:21<durasara>centrx, already installed the package, and homerun is not available in settings>desktop settings>layout.
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01:24<centrx>durasara, Hmm, I don't know. Try in #debian-kde (might have better luck during America/Europe daytime)
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01:24<durasara>also, adept and *cough* kpackage *cough cough* are not available.
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01:26<durasara>using testing debian repos
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01:26<centrx>durasara, adept is in unstable. kpackage apparently doesn't work well with apt and was removed
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01:26<durasara>and for good reason, it was unstable with pacman as well. don't blame em at all
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01:40<durasara>also, where is the ppa sources file in debian?
01:41<durasara>(noob question but trying to re-educate myself in the debian way of doing thing)
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01:46<centrx>durasara, ppa is an Ubuntu term I think
01:46<centrx>durasara, For package sources, add/uncomment a deb-src line in your sources.list and apt-get update
01:46<centrx>durasara, Then sources are available with apt-get source
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01:48<durasara>centrx, I added a ppa which supposedly added homerun, forget what I used to add the ppa. It's just been annoying me every time I do an aptitude update xD
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01:52<durasara>centrx, thanks for the help here, truth be told debian is MUCH faster with kde than chakra ever was, I'm going to be sticking with it for a while. Again I appreciate the help and I'll be hopping on #debian-kde tomorrow afternoon for help with homerun.
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01:53<centrx>You are welcome
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02:00<ElrondKing>Hi, everyone, I have installed the network-manager-kde, but when I login in the kde with the Non-root user, I can't edit the Network Connections, it shows "Insufficient privileges".
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02:04<centrx>ElrondKing, Possibly install kdesudo
02:04<ElrondKing>How can I config it.
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02:05<ElrondKing>I try it
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02:05<ElrondKing>i have installed it
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02:05<ElrondKing>but It still can't work
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02:07<ElrondKing>I guess it's the permission of it, but i don't know how to do with it.
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02:10<centrx>ElrondKing, Possibly add your user to the "netdev" group
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02:15<ElrondKing>i check it, my group have been contained in the group.
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02:15<ElrondKing>my user have been contained in the group
02:16<centrx>ElrondKing, I don't know then. Try #debian-kde, or try at a more active time, America/Europe daytime
02:17<ElrondKing>Ok, thx
02:21<jm_>how did you check for group membership?
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02:25<ElrondKing>cat /etc/group|grep netdev
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02:28<jm_>that's not OK if you made changes after logging in, what does 'id' show in a terminal in your current session?
02:28<ElrondKing>uid=0(root) gid=0(root) 组=0(root),1000(jim)
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02:28<ElrondKing>the id show this
02:29<jm_>I hope you're not using KDE as root ...
02:30<ElrondKing>when I use root login the kde, It work normally.
02:30<jm_>of course, you want to do all this as uer
02:30<jm_>user
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02:32<ElrondKing>How can i to solve this problem now.
02:35<jm_>like I said, login as regular user and check group membership
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02:43<ElrondKing>uid=1000(jim) gid=1000(jim) 组=1000(jim),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),105(scanner),110(bluetooth),112(netdev)
02:44<ElrondKing>the regular user, it show right
02:45<jm_>and it still doesn't work now?
02:45<ElrondKing>yes
02:46<jm_>is there anything about this in BTS?
02:47<jm_>according to the wiki this should do it - https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager
02:48<ElrondKing>Now, i'm using the BTS, but i have to login as root to set it, the i can use it as a regular user.
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02:48<jm_>what do you mean you are using BTS?
02:49<ElrondKing>wifi
02:49<jm_>!bts
02:49<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
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02:50<ElrondKing>OK
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04:38<fae>we are trying to install wheezy on a server Fujitsu Primergy RX200S8 with a raid controller LSI MegaRAID SAS 2108. The kernel driver for this controller (megaraid_sas.ko) is available in standard kernel, but not in the installer kernel, which panics early (before the installer has finished booting).
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04:42<bea>having trouble with the mozilla.debian.net pub key: 1) installed pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring 2) tried to upgrade, warning about untrusted packages 3) checked key as recommended on mozilla.debian.net: gpg says keyblock resource `/usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg': file open error
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04:43<jm_>bea: check if apt knows about it - apt-key list
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04:44<jm_>fae: the fact that it's missing on the installer media does not explain the panic to me
04:44<bea>jm_: yes, it's there
04:44<jm_>bea: does running apt-get update help?
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04:45<bea>jm_: all i have is now is that checking the key with gpg fails. i'm not sure how i can reproduce the warning when upgrading because iceweasel is already upgraded now
04:46<fae>jm_: neither does it to me. But it does (we have 2 servers, I tried on both).
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04:46<jm_>fae: so where does it panic then?
04:47<bea>jm_: i found this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=24240, could that be my problem?
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04:48<fae>jm_: after about 2 seconds, when the pci bus is scanned, and the device with vendor_id=0x1000 device_id=0x005b is found (which is the megaraid sas controller)
04:49<jm_>bea: do you have `/usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg ?
04:49<jm_>fae: does it print the trace when it panics?
04:50<bea>jm_: no. sorry, that should have been the first thing to check. i have debian-archive-keyring.gpg and debian-archive-removed-keys.gpg. what went wrong here?
04:51<jm_>bea: do you have debian-keyring package installed?
04:52<bea>jm_: no. ok, i see. but then why isn't debian-keyring a dependency of pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring?
04:53<fae>jm_: yes, but I have no possibility to copy it, and it reboots automatically after 30 seconds. I have also no possibility to scroll up.
04:53<fae>On the other hand, I also tried to boot the squeeze installer. It does not panic, but does not recognize the disk (because of missing megaraid_sas driver)
04:53<jm_>bea: why would it be? that's only needed so you can run gpg --check-isgs, most people don't do that
04:53<bea>jm_: so this is not the reason why i got a warning about unsigned packages?
04:54<jm_>fae: right, what could help is to use netconsole/serial console to log the panic or use a camera and then try to find similar issue by searching for people with similar panic (no scroll up is unfortunatelly normal with panics - I use higher resolution/smaller font as a workaround when I need to see it all on one screen)
04:56<jm_>bea: missign debian-keyring? no, it shouldn't be - but I know from my experience that usually running apt-get update after installing a new keyring package solves the problem; anyway, you will see it soon when iceweasel 28 is released
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04:57<bea>jm_: i think i can still try on another machine whether that was it. thanks for helping!
04:57<jm_>bea: no worries
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05:02<fae>jm_: yes, will have to do this. (I will have no physical access to server room until monday morging).
05:02<jm_>fae: alternatively you could try to install it using debootstrap
05:03<fae>how?
05:03<jm_>!debootstrap
05:03<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap
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05:08<fae>but for this I would need to boot from a live cd first, install the megaraid driver, and then debootstrap. The problem is to find a live distro that both knows debootstrap and can boot without panic. But still, I can try.
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05:10<jm_>grml
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05:11<fae>thx
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05:18<SynrG>fae: so the official debian live images don't boot?
05:18<SynrG>fae: i thought you said the standard kernel is fine; only the installer panics?
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05:20<SynrG>if so, i don't know why the images at http://www.debian.org/CD/live shouldn't work ...
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05:29<fae>SynrG: I did not try the official debian live image yet (currently downloading it). Actually I meant that I 'think' the standard kernel should be fine (it contains the megaraid_sas driver), but I have not booted it - will be the first thing I do on monday morging
05:30<SynrG>k
05:30<fae>Shall I rather use 'rescue' or 'standard' iso?
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05:30<SynrG>check the .packages files parallel to the images
05:30<SynrG>they tell you what the images contain
05:30<fae>ok, thank you
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05:31<SynrG>i doubt if standard contains debootstrap itself. each image does contain an installer that can be run *within* the live environment, though
05:31<SynrG>although that may fail for exactly the same reason the standard installer does
05:32<SynrG>so without having looked, i would say you likely need the rescue image
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05:33<SynrG>of course, you may use the grml image if you like. the reason i mention the official live debian image, though, is that we actually support that one :)
05:34<SynrG>if you had problems using the other one, you would need to see the grml folks (who are generally quite helpful, mind you)
05:35<fae>I Just verified, rescue does contain debootstrap, thanks
05:35<SynrG>np
05:35<SynrG>good luck!
05:35<fae>thank you, next step for me on monday, I cannot do much more today!
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05:55<freeasm>Hi guys
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05:55<freeasm>there are russian?
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05:56<Apollo>!ru
05:56<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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05:56<freeasm>thanks
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06:36<Volley>i have some troubles using fdisk on external usb storage devices ...(re-reading the partition table fails) ... i suspect it has to do with the device notifier ... any suggesstions?
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06:53<jm_>Volley: isn't it easier to unplug and plug it back if it's an extern USB device?
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06:54<Volley>jm_: that doesn't keep fdisk from failing
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06:55<Volley>also i'm trying to do a script and the fdisk part is part of this script ... and this weird failure is ... confusing me
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06:56<jm_>Volley: so what's the exact list of steps to get the failure?
06:58<Volley>jm_: have a desktop with device notifier running ( for example i'm on debian sid with kde ) - plug in a usb stick, fire up fdisk and partition it.
06:58<jm_>Volley: ok, so does kernel report anything after fdisk reports a failure?
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06:59<Volley>uhm ... let me verify ... didn't go into that yet
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06:59<jm_>just use dmesg command
07:01<amoe>Hey, does anyone know where the available architectures for apt are stored? I want to configure them using a file instead of "dpkg --add-architecture" etc, so that I can use puppet to hold the config. Is that possible?
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07:03<jm_>amoe: this is a dpkg config propery, not apt, /var/lib/dpkg/arch
07:03<amoe>great, thanks jm_ :)
07:03<Volley>jm_: dmesg doesn't show anything suspicious - just the messages stating that the device was attached and its partitions ...
07:04<jm_>Volley: hmm interesting, I wonder what the failure is then
07:04<Volley>hmm ... but actually ... i think i was not precise enough in my description earlier ...
07:04<Volley>because now i tried to reproduce differently and ... don't get the error
07:04<Volley>my script used sfdisk ... i just manually tried with fdisk
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07:05<Volley>fdisk didn't seem to have troubles telling the kernel to re-read the partition table
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07:08<jm_>you could try to strace sfdisk to see what happens
07:08<Volley>aargh ... calling fdisk from the script fails again ... now how can that be?
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07:08<ktosiek>Hi! Is there any tool for managing upgrades on multiple hosts? Something like Spacewalk/Satellite for yum-based distros
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07:08<Eco>amoe: /etc/apt/sources.list and a line looks like, deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib
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07:09<ktosiek>I know about apt-dater so far, but I'd like to know if there's anything else
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07:15<Volley>jm_: ok, now i figured out something new ...:
07:15<Volley>echo "w" | fdisk /dev/sdh works fine ( does just rewrite the partition table as it is )
07:15<Volley>but this fails the 2nd time: echo "w" | fdisk /dev/sdh ; echo "w" | fdisk /dev/sdh
07:17<Volley>because the first seems to trigger the device notifier which keeps the 2nd from working. and there seem to be other ways of triggering the device notifier so in my script the fdisk always fails
07:17<Volley>probably a loopback mount i do a bit earlier ...
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07:20<jm_>I wonder what the re-read part table ioctl would report
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07:31<voltagex>is there a document on how to write an apt method driver somewhere?
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07:34<morito>hi there!
07:34<morito>cad
07:34<morito>ca
07:34<morito>c
07:34<morito>adsc
07:34<morito>d
07:34<morito>c
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07:34<morito>no me quitéis putas
07:34<morito>contestad
07:34<bhuddah>!es
07:34<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:35<morito>¡que te follen!
07:35<voltagex>bhuddah: beat me to it
07:35<bhuddah>hmmmm
07:36<morito>calla, ¡joder!
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07:36<voltagex>I'm fairly sure half these words are curses.
07:36<bhuddah>!ops spaniards... again...
07:36<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bhuddah complains about: spaniards... again...
07:36<voltagex>hah!
07:36<voltagex>or should I say huehuehue?
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07:40<Brigo_>voltagex, more than a half :-)
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07:40<bhuddah>maybe we should wash his mouth with some soap.
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07:44<voltagex>okay, there doesn't seem to be any documentation for method drivers at all
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07:59<SynrG>voltagex: method ... drivers?
07:59*SynrG is puzzled
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08:00<SynrG>ah. context:
08:00<SynrG>08:31 < voltagex> is there a document on how to write an apt method driver somewhere?
08:00<SynrG>apt has some apt internals doc ... don't know if that contains what you need.
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08:02<voltagex>sorry about lack of context there
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08:02<voltagex>have my head in apt-pkg/acquire-method.cc at the moment
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08:06*SynrG nods
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08:06<SynrG>probably a bit beyond what we can handle here :) maybe #debian-devel can help, though
08:06<SynrG>if you'll just explain what, specifically, you want to accomplish
08:07<voltagex>crap, couldn't find that, was typing #debian-devel
08:07<SynrG>no? connected on the right network?
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08:08<SynrG>looks like what you typed above is correct ...
08:08<voltagex>I'm trying to make a location aware method for apt-get, I know there are easier ways but I thought this was interesting.
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08:08<voltagex>oh, typing debian-*dev*
08:08<voltagex>oops.
08:08<SynrG>ah :)
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08:09<voltagex>so your sources.list would be deb location-aware://debian jessie main contrib non-free and my script would select the right debian mirror depending on which network you were connected to
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08:10<SynrG>and this differs from http.debian.net how?
08:12<voltagex>SynrG: http.debian.net or cdn.debian.net don't know about my mirror at home or a specific repo at work or that certain ISPs have local debian mirrors
08:12<jm_>but how will your solution know it?
08:13<SynrG>can't you generalize the approach, then? just make a private implementation of http.debian.net
08:13<SynrG>http.debian.my.domain
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08:13<voltagex>SynrG: I thought about extending apt-cacher-ng too
08:13<SynrG>use the same technology, except self-hosted
08:13<voltagex>hmm, that's not a bad idea
08:14<voltagex>is the source code for that site anywhere?
08:14<SynrG>read http://http.debian.net/
08:14<SynrG>the source is linked at bottom
08:14<voltagex>oh.
08:14<voltagex>oh
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08:36<ewet>hi, I have this weird problem with my debian notebook: I have two routers--a tp-link and a hitron (the kable modem)--,a laptop with a JMC260 Ethernet controller [197b:0260], and a PC. if I connect my pc to either router I get 'link ok' with ethtools the whole time (using `while true;do sudo ethtoool eth0|grep 'Link';sleep 2;done`). when I connect my laptop to the hitron router it's okay all the way, too but if I connect to the tp-link it get
08:36<ewet>s really flaky with the link going on and off, being off most off the time.
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08:37<ewet>could this be a driver issue?
08:37<ewet>I checked the cables and used several different ones
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08:39<jm_>judd pciid 197b:0260
08:39<judd>[197b:0260] is 'JMC260 PCI Express Fast Ethernet Controller' from 'JMicron Technology Corp.' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'pata_jmicron', 'jme' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=197b:0260
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08:40<ewet>jm_: jme is loaded
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08:44<jm_>ewet: yes I was just curious to see what that thing is (should have used /msg)
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08:47<ewet>it's the silliest thing ...
08:48<ewet>also, this is context (stuff I tried yesterday) https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/9537164/raw/c33197103d04038478dc84de0b1bbf8d3c5a25d6/gistfile1.txt
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08:56<jm_>have you tried a newer kernel?
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08:58<ewet>I didn't, and I'd like to try things like that in a non-invasive way first. live-cd or something
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09:00<jm_>it will leave the old kernel installed so you simply select it at boot if something doesn't work and then remove it/change order
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09:00<jm_>change the default
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09:02<ewet>well, as long as it doesn't need a newer gcc or libc or something else I'm okay with it
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09:03<jm_>sure, just grab it from bpo
09:03<jm_>!tell ewet -about bpo kernel
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09:21<ewet>how again, do I upgrade to a package that has a lower score on apt-cache policy?
09:21<weasel>apt-get install foo=1.2.3.4
09:21<ewet>oh yeah, thanks :)
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09:26<ewet>no, I needed -t (target release)
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09:32<Tiaryn>Hey guys! I'm a debian noob. I have a vserver from netcup and my hosts-file says "127.0.0.1 localhost
09:32<Tiaryn>127.0.1.1 kvmimageinstall.yourvserver.net kvmimageinstall
09:32<Tiaryn>" Is there a reason why netcup is using this domain/hostname or can I change it to the realhostname /domain
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09:33<ewet>jm_: okay, backported kernel didn't change the behavior.
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09:36<jm_>ewet: and other devices work ok with the problematic router?
09:37<jm_>ahh sorry I have to run, hopefully someone else can assist
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09:37<ewet>thanks anyway :)
09:38<ewet>and yes, other devices work fine
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09:49<sney>Tiaryn: /etc/hosts is for local resolution only and won't affect how remote systems see your server. you can add your real hostname/domain on the second line if you want, but leave the first line alone
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09:51<Tiaryn>thank you sney
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10:40<AlexSunshine>Hi guys!Can someone help with submitting bugs for Debian?
10:41<themill>AlexSunshine: you need to get in the habit of asking specific questions rather than hopping from channel to channel with the same (vague and unanswered) general question.
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10:44<fae>http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
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10:44<AlexSunshine>Okay then my question is - How add Usertag to the report using "reportbug" command?
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11:23<chealer>AlexSunshine: no way. reportbug reports issues, it doesn't manipulate tickets
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11:39<wictorht_>how do i tell tomcat6 to not start on boot?
11:39<wictorht_>is there a service command to do that?
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11:40<wictorht_>systemctl?
11:40<SynrG>!disable service
11:40<dpkg>From update-rc.d(8): «A common system administration error is to delete the links with the thought that this will disable the service…. However, if all links have been deleted then the next time the package is upgraded, the package's postinst … will reinstall links at their factory default locations.» Use «update-rc.d $service disable» instead.
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11:40<wictorht_>hmmm
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11:41<wictorht_>got: insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `tomcat7' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).
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11:41<wictorht_>insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `tomcat7' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).
11:42<wictorht_>should i care about that?
11:42<sney>!warning
11:42<dpkg>Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.
11:42<wictorht_>:-)
11:42<wictorht_>thank you dpkg
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11:42<wictorht_>and thank you SynrG sney
11:42<sney>np
11:43<wictorht_>i like it when the kernel talks to me directly
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13:41<Deathspike>Hi. Newbie question, I am running Debian 7.4 XFCE Live on a HP EliteBook notebook, but don't see wireless connections/interfaces. What should I do to proceed to finding/installing wireless?
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13:45<simondaemon>I fear my hdd will go up in smoke soon, can anyone explain these errors I got? strange things at bootup..http://paste.debian.net/87692/
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13:45<simondaemon>http://paste.debian.net/87692/
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13:46<simondaemon>that would be pretty neat..
13:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 695] by debhelper
13:47<blast007>simondaemon: that looks like it may be the DVD/CD drive, actually
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13:47<simondaemon>blast007: how do you see that? (I would like to understand... because of sr0?)
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13:48<blast007>yep - on my system, /dev/cdrom points to sr0
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13:50<simondaemon>blast007: do you know why such error occurs? its not even something inside my dvd rw..
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13:51<ncl>simondaemon: https://superuser.com/questions/121391/sata-drives-or-chipset-throwing-drdy-err-and-icrc-abrt
13:51<simondaemon>ncl: r u a bot? (otherwise/anyways thanks :) )
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13:53<musca>Deathspike: usually you need a firmware package from the non-free archive of the debian repo.
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13:53<musca>!wifi
13:53<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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13:55<musca>Deathspike: Do you know which wlan chip you use?
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13:55<Deathspike>musca: Intel, I was going over what the bot threw at me, not making much sense yet though.
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13:55<musca>!intel
13:55<dpkg>Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN adapters, ask me about <iwlwifi>, <ipw2200>, <ipw2100>. For support of Ethernet controllers, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <ia64>, <isci>, <speedstep>.
13:55<Deathspike>I presume I need to hook into a wired connection and somehow enable non-free packages, and then somehow perform something to get the driver.
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13:57<Deathspike>Ah, I think I found the instructions.. what are the implications of adding non-free repository
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13:58<musca>non-free isn't dfsg compatibel
13:58<musca>!dfsg
13:58<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
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13:59<Deathspike>So, after installation, I can remove non-free again?
14:00<musca>yes.
14:00<Deathspike>Great. I'll go and try this out then :P
14:00<Deathspike>Thanks ^^
14:01<musca>but you would possibly miss any updates of that package, not a big issue for firmware in debian stable
14:02<Deathspike>If I don't remove non-free, I could possibly install other stuff from non-free that I don't realize. I suppose that's a bigger issue than having updates for what is known to be stable?
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14:05<musca>well ... yes, if you feel like this.
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14:08<chealer>Deathspike: Synaptic allows you to distinguish non-free packages easily. but indeed, not all package managers do
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14:11<musca>non-free list
14:11<musca>!non-free list
14:11<dpkg>To see a list of <non-free> and <contrib> packages installed on your system, run «aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'». See also <aptitude search>.
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14:19<Deathspike>Right. Installing from live doesn't seem to work. Does that need network by chance?
14:21<nikomo>Can anyone shed light on why this isn't working? http://i.imgur.com/8IdEjME.jpg - as far as I can see, I have all the dependencies installed
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14:28<devil>nikomo: i do not know the software. might it be a multiarch problem? is 32-bit packages involved somehow?
14:28<devil>does apt-get -f install do anything?
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14:29<nikomo>looking at the depends-listing on apt-cache show doesn't show any :i386 stuff but I'll try and force it
14:29<devil>Deathspike: installing needs network, if you have not downloaded the package
14:29<devil>nikomo: -f in that case is not force, but fix
14:29<nikomo>oops
14:29<nikomo>sleepy
14:30<nikomo>gave that a try but same error
14:30<devil>I hardly ever recommend force
14:30<devil>hm
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14:31<nikomo>oh crap, I have an idea but I need to check it
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14:34<nikomo>I think I somehow had gnuradio:i386 installed, purged that but still wouldn't work, I'm removing pretty much all packages related to that stuff now and starting from scratch
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14:42<uaoeuaeou>how do i find complete FOSS drivers for an AMD Padeon HD video card
14:42<uaoeuaeou>*Radeon
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14:43<alumno>hola
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14:44<frangor>hola alumno
14:44<frangor>!es
14:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:46<alumno>holz
14:46<alumno>hola
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15:33<centrx>gee whiz, youtube-dl maintainer is an ass
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15:34<dondelelcaro>centrx: ?
15:34<centrx>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736151
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15:35<dondelelcaro>centrx: what about it?
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15:36<dondelelcaro>centrx: mplayer should be recommended by youtube-dl
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15:37<centrx>So it appears. His message about it was rude.
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15:38<dondelelcaro>probably a little bit, but he also felt attacked... written communication is hard, and people sometimes read things into it that weren't intended
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15:40<dondelelcaro>(for what it's worth, I think the same thing is going on here)
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16:00<nmschulte>Does anyone know of a good DLNA/UPnP "Remote User Interface" client for Linux/Debian? It can be based on whatever platform, Linux, web, whatever.
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16:01<nmschulte>I want to be able to control these darned Sonos UPnP media devices spread around the office from my laptop (running Debian...).
16:01<rwhite>has anyone had any issues with the alx driver on squeeze, i cannot get it to work
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16:02<Deathspike>None of the live images and net install images want to install Debian 7.4 64-bit from a USB device. What.. should I do?
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16:06<DNS>Deathspike: did you format the usb device properly, and your bios is set to boot from usb?
16:07<DNS>you need to mark the partition you want to boot as "boot", in gparted or parted for example
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16:07<Brigo>DNS, really? i thought you only has to cat image to correct device.
16:08<DNS>well from my experience you need to, at least with usb sticks
16:08<DNS>so i think with usb hds as well
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16:09<Brigo>nobody told me! :)
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16:10<DNS>you can also install grub on the usb stick and then have the possibility to have multiple images on it and unpacked
16:10<DNS>i mean not unpacked sorry
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16:13<DNS>im a bit tired
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16:13<DNS>still have a strong cold ^^
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16:34<kolia>Привет
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17:47<OnetNL>Hi there
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17:48<OnetNL>anyone here that has experience with apt-show-versions?
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18:32<houms>i have script that calls ffmpeg, and i want to use it on debian testing box, i know debian ships with libav, but what would be command line alternative to ffmpeg?
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18:34<centrx>houms, avconv is the equivalent tool in libav
18:35<centrx>houms, If that isn't compatible or quality enough, you can download ffmpeg static binaries from http://ffmpeg.gusari.org/static/
18:36<houms>thanks centrx looking at man page now do you know if the switches are the same as ffmpeg?
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18:37<houms>sweet that worked
18:37<houms>thanks again centrx
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18:38<houms>looks quality to me
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19:13<cronic>hello there.. i want to run a script (in this cas an dbupdate of a davcal web client) with -> ./bin/agendavcli dbupdate as root
19:13<cronic>but then it says -bash: ./agendavcli: Permission denied
19:13<cronic>chown root:root doesnt help
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19:13<cronic>chmod 777 doesnt help
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19:14<devil>is it executable?
19:14<cronic>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 321 Mar 13 11:21 agendavcli
19:15<devil>chmod +x
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19:15<cronic>stupid..
19:15<cronic>thank you <3
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19:16<devil>:)
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19:17<marius_>hi
19:18<marius_>how to set a shortcut key for launch terminal in ubuntu?
19:18<themill>!ubuntuirc marius_
19:18<dpkg>marius_: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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19:51<cryocomet>HOla
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19:55<dwaiodnuiw>"Configuring apt" -> 11% "Scanning the CD-ROM..." my installation is completely frozen?!
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20:05<dwaiodnuiw>regarding my issue above: it concerns debian testing, i accordingly wrote in #debian-next now, sry
20:05<tarak>link ?
20:05<tarak>bugtack id
20:05<tarak>?
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20:24<nickzxcv>how do people handle rolling back a certain package on many hosts when it has been superseded in the repo, and there is not more than one repo configured on the host? i've been doing dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/theoldpackage.deb, but is there a way to get a certain older version from the same "codename" release in the repo?
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20:34<zykotic10>nickzxcv: a particular repo, will only ever have 1 version of something...
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20:38<nickzxcv>sure, as Packages.gz and such gets updated right? but many other versions are visible here for example http://mirrors.sonic.net/debian/pool/main/b/bash/
20:38<Infiltrator>!tell nickzxcv -about downgrade
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20:39<themill>nickzxcv: the older versions may only be on archive.debian.org. You can download them using wget or debsnap.
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20:40<centrx>nickzxcv, There is http://snapshot.debian.org/
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20:41<themill>err. yes, snapshot.d.o not archive.d.o
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20:42<nickzxcv>ok, so dpkg -i really is it? at my company we made this system where each compiled application is packaged with the version in the name, then there is a -deploy package of the same version, but no version in the name that depends on associated binary package
20:42<nickzxcv>so that way, we can have various binary versions installed at the same time and its relatively quick to switch between them
20:43<Infiltrator>nickzxcv: If you want something like that, look at guix.
20:43<nickzxcv>many binaries are 100M or so with java or debugging symbols and such so it helps to have them preinstalled i think? anyway, maybe there are better ways to handle it?
20:43<zykotick9>nickzxcv: and debian has sid -> testing -> stable versions ;)
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20:45<nickzxcv>hm, guix sounds cool, but we like debian packages, and rolling back using dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/theoldpackage.deb has worked fairly well so far, it just seems like a hack :-/
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20:47<themill>nickzxcv: you're using this to change around some symlinks that point to the specific version?
20:47<Infiltrator>You may have issue with config and/or data files rolling back though; keep that in mind.
20:47<nickzxcv>we have probably 20-30 different things packaged with deb already using the scheme i described, also some custom builds of trafficserver, we used to have lighttpd but now we use stock for that, we also still use the old sun-java6-jdk and have that in our repo
20:48<nickzxcv>themill: yeah, the -deploy package changes the symlinks to the binary
20:48<themill>nickzxcv: the alternatives system might be better for you for that
20:48<themill>!alternatives
20:48<dpkg>alternatives is probably the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. http://people.debian.org/~jwilk/alternatives/Contents has a recently created list of all the available alternatives-managed paths in Debian. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives
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20:49<nickzxcv>hm, actually its not symlinks, the -deploy package generates a daemontools runscript that has the absolute path of the binary having the version of its -deploy package
20:49<nickzxcv>because we also use daemontools a bunch, for better or worse =P
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20:50<nickzxcv>yeah, i use alternatives alot in my personal stuff
20:50<nickzxcv>i can see how that could help
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21:28<Liquid>I am trying to add a gpg signature for the virtualbox repository but I keep getting it wrong
21:28<Liquid>Can anyone give me a hand
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21:29<Liquid>Trying to add it from the termanel if that helps any
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21:29<Infiltrator>!tell Liquid -about details
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21:30<Liquid>Infiltrator thank you
21:31<Liquid>Infiltrator can I do that with dpkg and see if it helps from now on rather than bothering everyone
21:31<mqduck>I'm trying to change my ssh server port by editing the Port line in /etc/ssh/ssh_config. I restarted the server and then the entire machine, but it's not having any effect. Anyone have any idea what the problem could be?
21:32<themill>mqduck: the server is configured by sshd_config
21:32<Liquid>Infiltrator read up the screen I did give the topic
21:32<Infiltrator>Liquid: You can try asking it about signatures or something; but I don't know if it will tell you what you need. Probably easier if you just pastbin what you did and what it's saying.
21:32<mqduck>The file? That's what I'm editing
21:33<themill>mqduck: that's not what you said you were editing
21:33<mqduck>"editing the Port line in /etc/ssh/ssh_config" is what i said
21:33<mqduck>oh
21:33<mqduck>ohhh
21:33<mqduck>thanks
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21:34<Liquid>Trying to add a gpg sig via termanel for the virtualbox sources.list repo
21:34<themill>dpkg: tell Liquid about ask
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21:36<mqduck>themill: Is there any easy way to look up what the default file looked like?
21:36<mqduck>or hard way
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21:36<mqduck>ssh_config, I mean
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21:38<themill>mqduck: you can pull it out of the openssh-client package (or delete the file and restore the original the the instructions from /msg dpkg confmiss)
21:38<Infiltrator>mqduck: Maybe not delete, but just move away, though; in case you want to see a diff.
21:39*themill hugs mc
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21:40<Brigo>XDD
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21:42<mqduck>Worked beautifully, thanks guys
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22:10<n0a>why does debian use googles nameservers by default?
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22:18<abrotman>it doesn't
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