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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-03-16

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00:57<neo1691>Hi, last night I was having problems of Xresources not loading at startup. So I solved it my removing -merge from the lines xrdb -merge $RESOURCEFILE and xrdb -merge $USRRESOURCES from the file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30x11-common_xresources . Is this a good solution? Will it cause me problems?
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04:33<Cosmo>Hey, I'm running debian wheezy and got kinda a big problem while trying to update packages. Can anyone tell me what causes this/these error(s): http://privatepaste.com/0a92e568b0 ?
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04:35<Cosmo>I can restart stuff so that everythinappl working again, however the updates are never applied, and even while trying to install different things I'll receive the same error(s)
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04:39<TheReduxPL>Hello! Do somebody got some free time to help me with Debian Squeeze configuration?
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04:43<babilen>Cosmo: You might want to figure out where your /etc/init.d/{subversion,rmnologin,mountdevsubfs} come from (e.g. "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/subversion"), if they are in the extected state (use "debsums -s" for that) and why you have those loops. Also paste your sources.list, run "apt-get update" and then "aptitude search '~U'" -- I'll leave now, but that should give you a good start.
04:43<babilen>*expected
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04:44<Cosmo>Okay thanks, I'll try that first
04:45<babilen>TheReduxPL: Just ask ... See http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and http://mattgemmell.com/what-have-you-tried/ for details on how to do that
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04:55<Cosmo>babilen: I just added an exit 0 and the LSB Info to my subversion script and now everything is working as expected. Thanks a lot :)
04:55<Cosmo>didn't expected the solution that simple oO
04:55<babilen>"your subversion script" ?
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04:56<Cosmo>well it was a simple start/stop script
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05:53<behruz>Hello a question ??
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05:54<devil>behruz: shoot
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05:55<behruz_>I can't install flash cs3 on wine in debian 7 is it alternative for wine ?
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06:00<behruz_>i got a question.....
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06:01<devil>behruz_: I do not even understand the 2nd part of your first one
06:02<devil>besides the fact that i never used wine :)
06:02<TheReduxPL>Hey, I've installed tightvncserver, xorg and lxde-core, is there something I should install to make it all work properly?
06:02<devil>maybe that's why :)
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06:02<devil>it all?
06:03<TheReduxPL>I mean these three packages I mentioned
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06:03<TheReduxPL>Something recommended besides the dependencies? I've heard about x11 stuff
06:03<behruz_>how can i reach flash abilities on linux
06:04<devil>behruz_: by installing flashplugin-nonfree
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06:04<devil>nonfree means, you have to add that to your sources.list
06:04<devil>TheReduxPL: for doing what?
06:04<behruz_>it is already installed
06:05<devil>behruz_: then use it :)
06:05<TheReduxPL>devil, for making them work properly...
06:05<devil>TheReduxPL: i do not get why you mention 3 packages out of hundreds
06:06<TheReduxPL>???
06:06<devil>I do not understand what it is you want to achieve
06:06<TheReduxPL>I want these three packages to work properly - tightvncserver, xorg and lxde-core
06:06<TheReduxPL>Do I need anything else to make it work?
06:06<devil>packages normaly have their dependencies installed with them
06:06<valdyn>TheReduxPL: what does not work?
06:06<devil>what is 'it'?
06:07<TheReduxPL>Everything
06:07<devil>pff
06:07<TheReduxPL>But besides dependencies? Kyle__ told me about x11
06:07<valdyn>!tell TheReduxPL -about ask
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06:08<TheReduxPL>...
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06:09<valdyn>TheReduxPL: read what dpkg told you
06:09<TheReduxPL>It doesn't even fit the problem I have
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06:09<TheReduxPL>Look, when I open the terminal after connecting to the VNC server, it says "New X desktop at debian:2"
06:10<devil>it tells you how to ask a meaningfull question. yours was not so far
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06:10<TheReduxPL>and after that, I can't open any windows because they doesn't even appear
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06:11<valdyn>TheReduxPL: more than half of help you is *you* describing the problem in a way we can understand. Please go ahead do your part.
06:11<TheReduxPL>I just did it
06:11<TheReduxPL>I know my english is bad but that wasn't a problem like 8 hours ago when I asked the same way I did now
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06:12<devil>your EN is just fine
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06:13<devil>hm, did you fix your root problem?
06:13<TheReduxPL>You mean being automatically logged as root?
06:13<devil>yes.
06:14<TheReduxPL>No. That's why I am asking how to fix that
06:14<devil>no, you did not
06:14<devil>the word root is nowhere in your questions
06:14<TheReduxPL>I did right now ;)
06:14<devil>that is the first thing to fix.
06:15<devil>gotta run :(
06:15<devil>work calls
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06:15<TheReduxPL>:/ Bye then
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06:30<TheReduxPL>So how can I make LXDE not login automatically as root?
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06:48<long>hello
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06:49<long>你好
06:51<long>有人嘛
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07:06<TheReduxPL>Hi, when I try to startup XFCE, I'm getting a fatal error: "xf860penConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)"
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07:07<azeem>TheReduxPL: you don't have /dev/tty0?
07:07<azeem>TheReduxPL: what does "mount | grep ^udev" say?
07:07<TheReduxPL>Looks like that, 'cd /dev/tty0' fails too
07:08<azeem>you can't cd into files
07:08<TheReduxPL>Oh, it's a file?
07:08<azeem>well, it's a character device
07:08<azeem>AFAIK you can't cd into those either
07:08<azeem>12:07 < azeem> TheReduxPL: what does "mount | grep ^udev" say?
07:08<neo16911>what package contains the icu-config?
07:08<TheReduxPL>Haven't seen that. Let me check
07:09<Brigo>neo16911, what this?
07:09<neo16911>Brigo: configure: error: Cannot find icu-config. The ICU library is needed.
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07:10<Brigo>neo16911, but what is ICU? i cant find icu
07:10<azeem>neo16911: "apt-cache search icu dev | grep icu" should give you some options/hints
07:10<neo16911>same here! Already did that!
07:10<azeem>did what?
07:10<TheReduxPL>azeem, can I do that command without "^" character?
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07:11<azeem>TheReduxPL: yes
07:11<neo16911>there is a lib called libsoup2.4-1
07:11<TheReduxPL>Command makes no output
07:11<azeem>TheReduxPL: how did you install Debian?
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07:12<azeem>neo16911: what are you trying to do?
07:12<TheReduxPL>Complete Linux Installer for Android, installed Debian Squeeze
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07:12<azeem>TheReduxPL: then ask those people on how to get udev and/or XFCE running
07:12<Brigo>neo16911, there is no icu-config in icu-dev package, sorry.
07:12<neo16911>azeem: Trying to compile webkit-gtk-greeter for lightdm
07:12<neo16911>Hmm!
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07:13<azeem>Brigo: there's not even an icu-dev package?
07:13<Brigo>icu-devtools, sorry
07:13<TheReduxPL>Actually even with that error appearing, Xfce seems to work when I connected to VNC
07:13<TheReduxPL>But how can I make it not login as root by default?
07:13<azeem>TheReduxPL: by running X as a regular user
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07:14<TheReduxPL>How can I do that?
07:14<Brigo>TheReduxPL, may be root is the onlyone user in system
07:15<TheReduxPL>No, I've added another user with adduser
07:15<azeem>neo16911: packages.debian.org has a search for files in packages feature at the bottom
07:15<Brigo>TheReduxPL, try, then to reconfigure the display manager (gdm3 i guess)
07:16<TheReduxPL>"sh: gdm3: not found"
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07:17<azeem>TheReduxPL: install a display manager then
07:17<TheReduxPL>What's the package name? gdm3?
07:17<Brigo>yes
07:17<azeem>that's the package name of gdm3, one of the several available display managers
07:17<Brigo>and you will need udev too.
07:18<SynrG>pretty sure what you end up with there is not really debian. maybe a debian chroot on an android kernel ...
07:18<TheReduxPL>Well, there's no better method available SynrG :/
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07:18<azeem>TheReduxPL: yeah, the point is you're off-topic here
07:18<SynrG>yes, but it is not really supported here, sorry to say
07:19<TheReduxPL>I'm not so good at Linux stuff, I didn't know tat
07:19<TheReduxPL>that*
07:19<Brigo>i wonder if you can install cyanmodgen why can't you install debian alone?
07:20<TheReduxPL>What do you mean? You mean to install Debian that is independent of Android?
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07:20<Brigo>yes.
07:21<TheReduxPL>Do you know any good way to do that?
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07:21<Brigo>no, i only wonder.
07:21<SynrG>android doesn't run on the stock linux kernel
07:21<TheReduxPL>I know Synrg
07:22<TheReduxPL>Brigo: And that's the problem :P That way of installing Debian is the only method that works for me
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07:22<SynrG>TheReduxPL: that's an answer to Brigo's "why not?"
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07:22<TheReduxPL>Oh, sorry ;p
07:22<Brigo>yes. Any link, please? :)
07:23<azeem>a link where it is explained that Android is not stock Linux?
07:23<Brigo>azeem, no, :)
07:23<SynrG>http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/About "Android runs on a version of the Linux kernel ..."
07:23<Brigo>not, sorry :=
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07:23<Brigo>:)
07:23<SynrG>they're very careful to state it isn't strictly the linux kernel
07:24<SynrG>TheReduxPL: anyway, your best bet is to find whatever community does support this sort of thing and ask them
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07:24<SynrG>it may be in some forum thread or so
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07:25<TheReduxPL>Yeah, I'm doing so for like a week but these are not even helpful
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07:25<TheReduxPL>If I understand well, the better way to mess with Debian on Android is to install the 'standalone' one?
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07:27<SynrG>TheReduxPL: that was a hypothesis, not a statement about a real thing
07:28<SynrG>TheReduxPL: Brigo postulated that if CM could do it, why couldn't Debian? the answer is "because of the kernel"
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07:28<SynrG>you can't have anything other than a hybrid Android kernel + Debian
07:29<TheReduxPL>Well, thanks for your support then
07:29<TheReduxPL>I'll probably stop messing with Debian on Android, too many problems :P
07:30<SynrG>TheReduxPL: i settled on CM for myself
07:30<SynrG>i'm reasonably happy with that
07:30<TheReduxPL>I'm running CM 10.1 too
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08:29<shelmed>Debian Jessie KDE installed on my Samsung N130 Netbook. The N130 has an almost dead screen and so I have a VGA monitor plugged in
08:29<shelmed>pleased with the install - so impressed how smoothly Debian runs on this machine.
08:30<shelmed>one frustration - KDM login always begins a lower resolution most likely that of the netbook
08:31<shelmed>would like to configure KDM so that it always begins with the
08:31<shelmed>VGA monitor resolution
08:31<DarkUranium>maybe give xfce a shot? I used to use KDE; moved to xfce since, not going back >_<
08:31<DarkUranium>(though I might migrate to i3 soonish, but that's a completely different beast)
08:31<DarkUranium>anyways, I said xfce because it'll prooly work even better
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08:33<shelmed>Could you please advise me how to do this. Have done a bit of searching but it doesn't appear very clear
08:33<DarkUranium>well, if you just want to try it out, there's a Debian live CD that has xfce on it
08:33<shelmed>My xrandr output looks like this : http://paste.debian.net/88004/
08:33<DarkUranium>(assuming you have an external CD/DVD drive -- as it doesn't look like that lappy has one builtin)
08:34<DarkUranium>oh, resolution-wise?
08:34<DarkUranium>I'm guessing xorg.conf
08:34<DarkUranium>although installing drivers should do the trick
08:34<DarkUranium>(it *usually* does anyways)
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08:36<shelmed>The VGA screen resolution is fine once logged in - just trying to get the right resolution for kdm
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08:37<DarkUranium>shelmed: sounds like your resolution setting was single-user-only instead of global
08:37<abrotman>the problem isn't KDE, the problem is KDM
08:38<abrotman>so not sure how XFCE would fix that
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08:39<shelmed>Looked in /etc/kde4 but couldn't find an xorg.conf file
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08:40<shelmed>Am happy to do some reading up on this if somebody can point me in the right direction :0)
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08:41<shelmed>Just wondered if there was any sig changes b/n Wheezy and Jessie when it comes to configuring KDM?
08:46<awal>shelmed, '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' . Me too I dont find it. if you dont have one check this https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg
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08:52<shelmed>awal: Thanks for that - will have a read. Just want to make sure am doing the right thing - don't want to stuff up Xorg!
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08:55<awal>shelmed, np.
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08:58<devil>awal: xorg.conf is deprecated in most cases
08:59<devil>if usinfg non-free graphics drivers, you need a small stanza of it
08:59<shelmed>using free only
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09:00<devil>shelmed: have you looked at kscreen?
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09:00<devil>settings should be in system settings
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09:01<shelmed>devil: Do you mean the monitor settings in system settings?
09:01<devil>well, with older kde versions it might be that, yes
09:02<shelmed>Yes - the monitor is set up fine for KDE. It's just KDM - booting into the login screen I have a nasty low resolution
09:03<shelmed>A bit picky I know, just want to get all looking good ;)
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09:08<shelmed>Unfortunately have to go guys. Will check in later and let you know how I'm going
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09:11<awal>devil: In my Debian machines I have not a xorg file in all of them. You said "xorg.conf is deprecated in most cases"; so maybe this is why is not included/created by default?
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09:13<abrotman>Right
09:13<Fikkie>hoi
09:13<devil>awal: yes
09:13<awal>ok .
09:13<Fikkie>zullen we samen gaan shoppen???
09:13<Fikkie>ja of nee
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09:15<awal>Fikkie, ==> #debian-nl
09:15<devil>heh, won't help much :)
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09:18<awal>Is it recommended to have/install apparmor, tomoyo or selinux under debian for "normal" (home) use?
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09:20<awal>if yes, wich one you suggest?
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09:24<Monolith_>awal: well, I guess it depends on your linux 'skills'
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09:24<kane>hello
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09:25<Guest3532>O.O
09:25<Monolith_>awal: afaik apparmor is easier to administrate than selinux..
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09:26<devil>for a desktop install all those are overkill imho
09:26<awal>Monolith: I never used the , so no idea. some distributions, like opensuse, include and enable apparmor by default. selinux was created first by NSA, so...
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09:28<Monolith_>awal: well, then.. you should try apparmor if you think it's necessary. I share devils opinion, it's absolute overkill for desktop systems
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09:30<awal>Monolith_, hmm, I understand. maybe I go for apparmor; it seems easier.
09:31<wardhan>i have updated transparent_hugepage=always elevator=noop in grub. i have installed apparmor also. but when i cat /sys/kernel/mm/KSM/max_kernel_pages it shows cat: /sys/kernel/mm/KSM/max_kernel_pages: No such file or directory
09:31<awal>thanks guys
09:32<wardhan>how do i resolve the isssue ?
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09:39<wardhan>i have 2 lines to enable ksm given on this page http://www.technichristian.net/2012/05/04/kvm-on-debian-squeeze-my-notes.techni. rebooted the system. but it shows the same message
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09:41<Monolith_>wardhan: first: this is a dead link, second: sure that the ksm dir is written in capital letters. when I look at my ksm dir it's written in lower case
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09:43<wardhan>monolith: i have added a dot t the end. excuse. http://www.technichristian.net/2012/05/04/kvm-on-debian-squeeze-my-notes.techni
09:44<Monolith_>wardhan: even on this page the ksm is written in lower case - did you checked yours?
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09:48<wardhan>monolith_: even my ksm directory is in lower case letters. there is no max_kernel_pages file in ksm directory
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09:49<wardhan>cat /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/pages_sharing is showing value as zero
09:49<Monolith_>wardhan: than this seems to be your answer. this article is nearly two years old. I'm sure that there somewhere some changes so that this article isn't anymore up-to-date
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09:52<wardhan>http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/KSM page does not contain max_kernel_pages. i will try madvise in grub & reboot the system
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10:13<wardhan>when i try to create vm in kvm it says that kvm is not available. but kvm-amd.ko is listing in /lib/modules/3.14-rc5-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko. does it mean that there is something wrong in qemu or kvm ?
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10:24<musca>wardhan: please check if "svm" is among the cpuflags in /proc/cpuinfo
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10:29<wardhan>musca: svm is present
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10:45<datten>Hi all
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10:47<datten>ii am just installing debian sqeeze via netinstall from an usb stick. seems that it can not find libssl0.9.8. the installation wants me to put in the cd into /medi/cdrom/ i mounted an iso file from another stick to it, but it still can not find it, any help?
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10:49<datten>is there a cache for .deb files, like /var/cache/apt/ while installing, so i can copy the files there?
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10:51<abrotman>why are you using squeeze instead of wheezy?
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10:53<datten>i had the .iso already on the stick! but, errrm, ok, maybe i better try wheezy, THX abrotman
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10:55<datten>cu, have a nice day/night
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11:26<alumno>fa
11:26<alumno>f
11:26<alumno>a
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11:31<ompaul>wow a keyboard, I wonder if there are more of them
11:31<ompaul>u
11:31<ompaul>2
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11:31*ompaul invokes old age as a defence
11:31*ompaul invokes old age as a defense
11:32<DarkUranium>...what'd I miss? O_o
11:32<sney>ompaul having a stroke, apparently
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11:33<ompaul>sney: that was the key issue alright
11:33<ompaul>I had a key stroke
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11:43<instigator>Hi all. Is it possible to mount a usb automatically each time you plug it in? Instead of having to use mount command each time
11:44<sney>!usbmount
11:44<dpkg>usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed. See also <pmount>.
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11:44<ompaul>instigator: you still have to tell the o/s (right click umount)
11:44<ompaul>instigator: also you might like to think that you should type "sync" before you unmount it
11:45<ompaul>just to force outstanding writes to the stick
11:46<MrFrood>that does not seem very "automatic" ompaul
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11:46<ompaul>MrFrood: ah, I hark back to the days when the word automatic was something in car.
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11:47<MrFrood>:)
11:47<ompaul>MrFrood: or automatic disqualification for $reason
11:47<ompaul>none of the reasons looked very rational but there you go
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11:49<instigator>thanks for info. once usbmount is installed do u need to do anything else?
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12:36<rubiakaeli>pña
12:36<rubiakaeli>ola
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12:37<rubiakaeli>ola me encantaría conocer gente
12:37<abrotman>!es
12:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:38<rubiakaeli>#debian-es ola
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12:39<rubiakaeli>ola me podeis hablar algo de vosotros
12:40<abrotman>!es
12:40<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:12<stoutbox>Hello. Is installation of the ATI Proprietary Driver complicated by Jessie at all for anyone else?
14:12<stoutbox>I made sure to make the proper xorg.conf.d, but it dropped me into a shell afterwards
14:13<stoutbox>after reboot, I mean
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14:13<stoutbox>and now I'm trying to figure out what I am missing
14:13<ompaul>!ati
14:13<dpkg>Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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14:14<stoutbox>will it give me any information that's different from the wiki?
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14:14<Xylon>Hi, is there a version of `The Sims' or similar on Debian?
14:14<stoutbox>Not that I'm aware of
14:14<musca>stoutbox: i think there have been major issues with the packaged version in jessie
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14:15<stoutbox>I don't think I managed to get The Sims working through Wine either, but there is always virtualbox
14:15<stoutbox>musca, thank you
14:15<stoutbox>I'll look into that more.
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14:15<musca>,v fglrx-driver
14:15<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.2~beta1.3-1; sid/non-free: 1:14.2~beta1.3-1
14:15<stoutbox>I *thought* that driver install was too easy, at any rate. If it had worked, I would have pledged allegiance to ATI forever
14:16<stoutbox>maybe I should stick to wheezy, I can't think of any reason as to why I need jessie for this particular project, I guess I'm just used to it. :P
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14:17<musca>stoutbox: okay, i see, there is a new version in jessie, you should continue in #debian-next
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14:17<stoutbox>Okay, thanks
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14:29<william1>I plug in a phone and it comes up as a device that I access through camera:/. How can I access this through bash?
14:31<MrFrood>william1: see the mtp-tool package
14:31<MrFrood>er mtp-tools
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14:32<william1>ok also the copying through kde is super slow and just got Unknown error code 150 bad parameters Please send a bug report...
14:32<william1>MrFrood: I only want to use bash because through kde it is going so slowly.
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14:33<centrx>william1, Also try gmtp
14:33<MrFrood>william1: two options, mtp-tools or jmtpfs from backports
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15:21<wijnen>I want to run a server on port 443 as a normal user. At the moment I'm starting it as root and I use setuid+setgid, but I don't like that. I could also use iptables to redirect 443 to some other port where the server really is started, but that doesn't seem nice either. Is there an elegant way to do it?
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15:22<ncl>setuid has been typical way of doing it afaik because ports <1024 are "privileged"
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15:23<william1>MrFrood: I think I've got this all the way up to mounting mtpfs, that command doesn't exist.
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15:23<wijnen>ncl: Yes, but it's annoying; it means that calls like "get home directory" return the wrong value, at least before starting the server (which is when I read the configuration).
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15:23<william1>MrFrood: and apt-get install mtpfs finds nothing. I am using Debian 8.
15:24<ncl>make a pointer to the home directory before setuid?
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15:24<ncl>oh
15:25<wijnen>ncl: I can work around it by setting the XDG* environment variables, because I use those. But it doesn't feel right. I'd much prefer to have some place where I can allow this user to listen on this port, but I'm not sure if the kernel supports such a setting.
15:25<ncl>well if you have root anyway, you could just put the config in /etc?
15:25<ncl>or I guess you can do that port redirect like you said
15:26<frangor>willemb_, Maybe your look for jmtpfs?
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15:27<wijnen>Config in /etc could work as well, I suppose. Still none of it feels "right".
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15:28<william1>MrFrood: Ok I got it I think I needed both of the 2 options you suggested. I used mtp-detect from the tools and jmtpfs.
15:28<ncl>well, for most daemons your config will be /etc, nginx, ssh, etc all just allocate the port as root but then spawn a child thread to handle everything other than that
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15:30<wijnen>Yes, that's true. And given that I run it on 443, it really is a system service. So perhaps it isn't so bad.
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15:32<Brigo>wijnen, i think the usual approach is make two programs, one listening in port and other in user space for the real work.
15:33<wijnen>Brigo: Yes, but that doesn't work in this case. All connections must be handled by the same program, so forking like Apache does isn't an option.
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15:34<Brigo>wijnen, i was talking about server/client, not forking.
15:34<wijnen>Oh, ok. How would that work then? The listening program will accept the connection, how does it pass it to the other program?
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15:35<Brigo>with a new conection or with sockets, usually.
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15:36<wijnen>I suppose it is possible to pass file descriptors over a pipe... Didn't think that was done for this purpose.
15:36<Brigo>i am thinking like a example a listening netcat...
15:36<ncl>I think you only need root to open the socket? can't a setuid thread just read/write to it from there?
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15:37<wijnen>Yes, that's what I do now. I open the socket as root, then I use setuid to drop permissions. But I would prefer to never have the permissions in the first place.
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15:38<wijnen>I suppose I could write a simple wrapper for it.
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15:40<Brigo>wijnen, you allway need the permision to access first 1024 ports.
15:41<wijnen>Yes, I of course want the permission to open the port. But if there is a bug in my program, I don't want it to allow attackers to get root access. So I'm not comfortable with all other permissions that come with starting the program as root.
15:43<Brigo>wijnen, dont you think that people from apache, bin9, etc, thins the same? :)
15:43<Brigo>think*
15:43<ncl>Well that's why all the root thread does is allocate the port, all complexity is passed off to the setuid thread
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15:43<wijnen>But I don't really need the permission to open the port either; I just want to have the open port so I can use it. That's what I could write a wrapper for.
15:44<wijnen>Right, and that's what I do now, and it works, but it doesn't feel like it's the right way to do it.
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15:47<wijnen>But I suppose it doesn't get much better.
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15:53<flr>i don't know what to do : "apt-get upgrade" threw an error "Errors were encountered while processing:
15:53<flr> /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.5_5.5.35+dfsg-0+wheezy1_amd64.deb
15:53<flr>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
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15:54<wijnen>The actual error is above that; why does it fail?
15:55<wijnen>It may be quite far above it; in that case running apt-get upgrade again may make it easier to see, because all the things that did work are not done again.
15:56<flr>"
15:56<flr>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64"
15:56<wijnen>No, it should be about mysql-server-5.5.
15:57<abrotman>flr: use a pastebin please
15:57<abrotman>flr: and paste the command and all output
15:57<Brigo>!tell flr about paste
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15:59<flr>http://pastebin.com/A7FDuPC5
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16:02<Brigo>flr, Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! <<-- thats the problem
16:02<abrotman>flr: was MySQL already running?
16:03<abrotman>erm, already stopped
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16:03<Brigo>flr try to stop mysql server.
16:03<flr>Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!
16:04<Brigo>flr, try to see the logs ... may be /var/log/syslog tells something to us.
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16:04<flr>ty
16:05<Brigo>i think mysql ash it own logs, but not sure :-m
16:05<Brigo>s/ash/has
16:05<abrotman>it does
16:05<Brigo>must go, sorry
16:05<flr>okay, ty, bb
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16:07<flr>mysql logs are empty
16:07<abrotman>is mysql running?
16:07<flr>yes
16:08<sney>better go catch it
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16:08<flr>how
16:08<sney>never mind, disregard that
16:09<flr>kk
16:09<sney>can you connect to the mysql instance? like with phpmyadmin or mysql on the command line etc
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16:09<sney>it sounds like it could be "running" but hung
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16:11<flr>root@flurry:/var/log# /etc/init.d/mysql status
16:11<flr>MySQL is stopped..
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16:11<flr>stopped it
16:11<flr>"root@flurry:/var/log# mysqladmin -p shutdown"
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16:15<flr>seems to be okay
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16:18<flr>another question: i can't download via ssl so i 'm not able to download some dependencies but my iptable seems to be okay
16:19<flr>http://pastebin.com/A7FDuPC5
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16:23<flr>no idea?
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16:23<flr>root@flurry:/var/www/piwik# curl -sS https://getcomposer.org/installer | php
16:23<flr>curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
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16:24<abrotman>maybe the host isn't there?
16:24<McClanee>hello
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16:24<McClanee>i need help building a binary package
16:24<McClanee>http://dpaste.com/1736464/
16:24<flr>but https://getcomposer.org/installer is reachable
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16:27<abrotman>McClanee: line 40 of your menu file doesn't have a \ at the end
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16:29<McClanee>i see abrotman, but not change
16:30<McClanee>let's forget the bin problem by now
16:30<McClanee>i made the menu file from brasero package
16:31<abrotman>huh?
16:31<McClanee>i used the brasero menu file as a template
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16:34<abrotman>McClanee: does it work now?
16:34<McClanee>no
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16:34<McClanee>it installs but i get /usr/share/menu/kelvin: 1: /usr/share/menu/kelvin: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
16:36<McClanee>well actually i get the error with all packages :S
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16:37<McClanee>abrotman, i just realized it's not a problem of my package
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16:38<McClanee>i thought i built it wrong or something, it's a dpkg problem
16:38<abrotman>yes, installing your package
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16:39<McClanee>are you installing it?
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16:42<abrotman>..
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16:53<flr>another question: i can't download via ssl so i 'm not able to download some dependencies but my iptable seems to be okay
16:53<flr>http://pastebin.com/A7FDuPC5
16:53<flr>root@flurry:/var/www/piwik# curl -sS https://getcomposer.org/installer | php
16:53<flr>curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
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16:58<mobo>hi im really sure to install stable with backports for a better kernel and add the mate desktop repo to it but my problem is now i have to add wheezy to the sources list but whats about that this name chance
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16:59<mobo>... that the name of the stable branch change, and whats about this mate repo
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17:00<sney>mobo: 3rd party repositories are not supported here so you're on your own for mate.
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17:00<mobo>okay
17:01<sney>mobo: but "wheezy" is the codename for current debian stable, so I'm not sure what you mean by a change
17:02<neo1691>If I run ./configure and then make, whatever binaries or libraries have been compiled remain in the current working directory itself? Is the statement right?
17:03<mobo>i dont know debian, today stable is named wheezy so i hope after years i get stable update without changing the sources list..
17:03<sney>mobo: upgrading from one stable release to another is not simple enough to have it just be automatic
17:03<mobo>mhhh
17:04<mobo>ok
17:04<sney>neo1691: that's correct as long as the makefile is sane. 'make install' or similar is what moves files out of the build directories
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17:06<neo1691>sney: Thanks!
17:06<mobo>do you know if that update manager can do it like it have to be simple?
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17:06<neo1691>I haven't run make install, I will be now deleting the directory and will be using checkinstall for make install!
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17:07<mobo>the prob is now i look for a distribution that updates for it self without command line command for a normal person
17:08<centrx>mobo, Upgrading across releases is straightforward, you just don't want it to be done automatically without knowing about
17:08<centrx>mobo, Automating security updates is okay, but you want the release name to be "wheezy" in your sources.list
17:10<mobo>who gets this automatic updates ? if i install wheezy and the next stable have to be xyz i might change the sources.list
17:10<centrx>mobo, cron-apt is the name of a package that does that
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17:10<centrx>mobo, Right, you would change the release name at the next release, when you want to do the release upgrade
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17:10<mobo>good
17:11<mobo>i see.
17:11<gtklocker>Hey! I'm looking to talk to people who're mentoring for GSOC, any idea where I can find them?
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17:11<sney>gtklocker: #debian-soc I think
17:11<gtklocker>sney: thanks!
17:12<joseph-soares>I created two users in my system. user1 and user2. Now I create a folder in user2. Now I want just user1 and user2 have access to this folder. How can I set chmod?
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17:14<SynrG>using a group both belong to
17:14<mobo>my thought was they should really go stable testing and so on only
17:15<sney>mobo: that's how it was several releases ago. but now it's much safer to use the codename
17:15<centrx>joseph-soares, Add user1 and user2 to the a group and chown the directory to be owned by that group
17:16<mobo>mhm okay
17:16<babilen>joseph-soares: First, easiest and least secure way would be to simply set it to rwxrwxrwx (777) which simply means that everybody would have access
17:16<joseph-soares>babilen, I don't want everybody have access.
17:16<joseph-soares>I put user1 in user2 group and it didn't work
17:16<SynrG>joseph-soares: either add user2 to user1's group or create a new group both belong to
17:17<SynrG>describe "didn't work"
17:17<babilen>joseph-soares: I guess that you don't want that so follow SynrG's advice and create a group both users belong to and set it 770. I'd also recommend to set it SETGID (i.e. "chmod g+s foo") so that files in there inherit that group
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17:17<SynrG>yes. i was getting to that point :)
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17:17<iz5wga>Hey
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17:17<iz5wga>I need some help with hangs on boot: anyone in mood to help me?
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17:17<babilen>joseph-soares: I'd also recommend to change the umask of your users to 002 so that new files are created in such a way that both can write them, but you haven't said anything and all this is pure conjecture
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17:18<wompa>joseph-soares, then you need to make a new login with user1 for the new group to apply, check what groups user1 belongs to currently by running "groups" as user1
17:18<centrx>!anyone
17:18<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
17:18<joseph-soares>babilen, SynrG centrx I typed sudo addgrp user1 user2, is it enough?
17:18<iz5wga>Whatever
17:18<saiyan>whats joseph-soares problem?
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17:18<saiyan>looks interesting
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17:18<saiyan>oh... he left
17:18<iz5wga>Kernel 3_10 is the last one that is working flawlessy on my laptop
17:19<iz5wga>since 3.11 it hangs on boot on"Waiting for /dev to be fully populated"
17:19<iz5wga>removing the quiet option from grub I saw that it hangs on something regarding pcmcia
17:19<SynrG>3.11 had some issues. did you try 3.12?
17:19<abrotman>did you try the 3.12?
17:19<iz5wga>I tried to append hw-detect/pcmcia_start=false but it still hangs
17:19<iz5wga>I tried 3.12 and 3.13_1
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17:20<SynrG>iz5wga: is this stable plus a kernel backport?
17:20<babilen>judd: No, that is not enough and is not how you would use addgroup (there is no command addgrp) -- First create a suitable group with, say, "addgroup foo" and then run "adduser user1 foo" and "adduser user2 foo" -- relogin with both and make sure you change ownership of the directory
17:21<babilen>joseph-soares: ^^^
17:21<iz5wga>no this is full jessy
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17:21<iz5wga>actually it's
17:21<iz5wga>Mar 16 21:49:53 debian kernel: [ 9.299355] pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket0: cs: IO port probe 0x100-0x3af:
17:21<iz5wga>Mar 16 21:49:53 debian kernel: [ 9.301433] clean.
17:21<iz5wga>Mar 16 21:49:53 debian kernel: [ 9.301457] pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket0: cs: IO port probe 0x3e0-0x4ff:
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17:21<babilen>iz5wga: You want #debian- ....
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17:21<SynrG>poof
17:21<iz5wga>sorry for the flood
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17:21<SynrG>use paste.debian.net instead
17:21<SynrG>also, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
17:22<SynrG>ah, which is where we are :)
17:22<iz5wga>:)
17:22<SynrG>that's babilen's fault :p
17:22<joseph-soares>babilen, wompa it worked.
17:22<iz5wga>so basically,ho couldI disable pcmcia at start?
17:22<joseph-soares>I made a new login
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17:22<SynrG>joseph-soares: and you also setgid on the directory?
17:23<SynrG>joseph-soares: you want that so new things created in the dir inherit the group
17:23<joseph-soares>SynrG, no, just added the user to group
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17:24<babilen>SynrG: this isn't -next?!
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17:24<babilen>joseph-soares: Remember to set SETGID and adapt your users umask
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17:25<joseph-soares>babilen, what is SETGID?
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17:28<joseph-soares>babilen, what is it and why it is necessary?
17:28<iz5wga>does anyone know how to disable pcmcia at all, since boot?
17:29<SynrG>babilen: the fact that i superfluously indicated @ irc.oftc.net is your fault
17:29<SynrG>babilen: because that's here (this network)
17:29<SynrG>:p
17:29<iz5wga>I'mpretty sure my PC hangs on boot due to babilen's fault aswell
17:29<iz5wga>shame on him
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17:30<SynrG>iz5wga: no. that's just because you don't live right
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17:30<iz5wga>If I eat more vegetables and sleep more, will be there a chance to let it start properly?
17:32<mobo>yes
17:32<centrx>Don't forget to stretch
17:32<wompa>iz5wga, your parents never told you that?
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17:34<mobo>its true you have the chance
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17:36<SynrG>iz5wga: append nopcmcia to your boot options?
17:37<SynrG>iz5wga: first, at the grub boot prompt, edit, find the kernel line, go to the end, append a blank followed by nopcmica
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17:37<SynrG>nopcmcia, i mean
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17:37<SynrG>iz5wga: if that succeeds, edit your /etc/default/grub to make the change permanent
17:37<SynrG>and update-grub
17:38<joseph-soares>SynrG, I needed this becouse I'm using two dropbox accounts. Is it necessary setgid?
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17:40<wompa>joseph-soares, it will set group inheritance on that folder, so all new files also get that group as group-owner
17:41<joseph-soares>alright
17:41<SynrG>joseph-soares: what the setgid accomplishes is when you create new files and directories the dir with setgid bit, they inherit the group
17:41<SynrG>ah, wompa explained
17:42<joseph-soares>SynrG, wompa I think I got it
17:42<joseph-soares>thanks a lot
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17:42<SynrG>np
17:42<mobo>the internet is like a shop nothing to find
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17:43<mobo>puhhh i go i go... ... ...
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17:44<thierry>dmmdù
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17:44<joseph-soares>SynrG, I set like 2770 or 4770. How do I unset
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17:46<SynrG>i don't have the high bits memorized. i tend to use symbolic modes
17:46<SynrG>chmod g+s to set gid, for example
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17:47<joseph-soares>SynrG, ok. worked
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17:55<mobo>do you have any conclusions about linux mint debian?
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17:57<ompaul>mobo: it is not debian
17:57<ompaul>it is not supported here
17:58<ompaul>and it most certainly is not advocated here ;-)
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17:59<mobo>i have to read.... and thats what i do tomorrow today its fairly too much
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17:59<mobo>but i want to know it <.< >.>
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18:00<devil>know what?
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18:02<mobo>only some things about mint, they say it is debian testing but readed about some troubles and so on
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18:03<SynrG>mobo: mint is mint. mint is not testing. testing is testing.
18:03<SynrG>mobo: if someone is saying "mint is testing", they are lying or confused
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18:04<mobo>okay the codenames i know. they say they are "based" on debian testing
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18:06<elf>hola
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18:07<Guest3566>hello anybody knows an app to traslate when we are reading a pdf ? thank you
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18:15<Guest3566>hello anybody knows an app to traslate when we are reading a pdf ? thank you
18:15<ichdasich>Guest3566: google translate
18:16<JohmasTefferson>new user here, trying to learn what steps need to be taken to have a relatively secure machine with a public IP
18:16<Guest3566>thak you, but i think something what i can give right click and translate one word
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18:17<centrx>JohmasTefferson, Minimize/Eliminate running daemons/services, keep up to date with security updates, replace less secure daemons/service with more secure types (e.g. postfix vs sendmail)
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18:18<abrotman>Guest3566: that would have be in that app
18:18<abrotman>dpkg: tell JohmasTefferson about securing debian
18:19<mobo>JohmasTefferson: at first use debian stable branch
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18:19<JohmasTefferson>I saw a tool called harden or something, but I don't know how to run it
18:20<mobo>JohmasTefferson: about the stable thing read about it
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18:20<Guest3566>ok, thank you
18:21<JohmasTefferson>coming from windows, is there anything like the PATH directive in linux, or do you have to be in the proper directory to execute something?
18:22<centrx>JohmasTefferson, Linux shells use PATH. DOS probably got it from Unix.
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18:24<abrotman>JohmasTefferson: see what the bot told you
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18:25<JohmasTefferson>Yeah, looking.
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18:38<JohmasTefferson>decided to start over with this install
18:38<JohmasTefferson>opinions on partitioning?
18:39<JohmasTefferson>what's the advantage of separating out home usr and var
18:39<SynrG>all-in-one works for me
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18:39<Brigo>me too
18:39<JohmasTefferson>for a server-intended install, would all in one be a bad choice?
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18:41<centrx>separate partitions does offer some benefits for a server, like being able to make /usr/ read-only or preventing DDOS from logs in /var/
18:41<centrx>JohmasTefferson, or /home/ for that matter
18:41<centrx>JohmasTefferson, But I wouldn't worry about it too much
18:41<centrx>JohmasTefferson, Figuring out the right sizes is annoying
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18:47<SynrG>if the drive is massive and all-in-one would yield a ridiculously huge root partition, sometimes i split it
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18:47<SynrG>when i do, i just estimate how much i reasonably need for my system and then give it obscenely more than that figure :)
18:47<SynrG>then put the rest into a data partition, or leave unallocated
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18:51<lurch>hello all - does anyone know of an easy way to encrypt a debian install after it has already been installed and configured?
18:51<MMavipc>How do I change the physical disc drive eject button from request eject to force eject?
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18:53<mobo>JohmasTefferson: and dont forget set up a save server to read about :)
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18:55<Brigo>lurch, if you want to encrypt a partition, then you need to format it first. So you will need a good backup.
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18:56<lurch>so booting to another live cd and use dd to back it up to somewhere?
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18:58<Brigo>lurch, for example. Or use rsync or tar or cpio ...
19:00<Brigo>lurch, or get the list of installed packages with dpkg --get-selections, backup etc and home and then reinstall, install the packages again and copy the desired config files from backups to etc or home
19:01<lurch>ok, thats what i was afraid of. thanks for the help
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19:02<Brigo>luchino, np :)
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20:24<debian-mike>hi all i am first time debian user.. i have tried ubuntu, mint, Linuxmint Debian edition, and a few others
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20:24<debian-mike>my set up is debian running as guest in vbox
20:24<debian-mike>does anyone know how i can install the vbox guest additions
20:24<debian-mike>i have the vbox iso mounted as a cd
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20:25<sney>!vbox guest
20:25<dpkg>For Debian virtual machines ("guests") running under VirtualBox, install the virtualbox-guest-utils package inside the guest to provide Guest Additions; dependent Linux kernel modules are automatically built using <DKMS>. For Microsoft Windows guests, install the virtualbox-guest-additions-iso package on the host (ask me about <non-free sources>) and see http://virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html for installation instructions.
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20:32<debian-mike>sney, thansk for that but i dont know how to install the guest additions file on the vbox guest additions cd
20:33<sney>you don't
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20:33<debian-mike>the linux file is not like the windows.exe i cant click on it
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20:33<sney>ignore that
20:33<debian-mike>sney, each linux os is different
20:33<sney>open a root terminal or your favored package manager, and install the debian package 'virtualbox-guest-utils' like dpkg just told you
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20:36<sney>it is in contrib so you may need to enable contrib and non-free
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20:41<debian-mike>wll usually in the other linux os i have in vbox i rightclick the guest additions file and then it has option to run as root
20:41<debian-mike>also i am on a fresh minimal net install
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20:41<debian-mike>looks liek is is using xfce
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20:42<debian-mike>oh is that all i need to do ok thansk all
20:42<debian-mike>that seems easy
20:42<sney>don't think of it like windows where you always have to download something from a website and run it, etc.
20:43<sney>within debian, you can get almost everything through apt
20:43<debian-mike>i get an error unable to locate virtualbox-guest-utils
20:43<debian-mike>will look in synaptic
20:44<sney>you probably need to enable contrib
20:44<debian-mike>this si debian testing net install
20:44<debian-mike>how to do that
20:44<sney>!non-free sources
20:44<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
20:45<debian-mike>oh ok i have to deit a file
20:45<debian-mike>usually in the linux os there is an app to manage that
20:46<sney>I think synaptic lets you change it with checkboxes, but most debian users just edit the file
20:46<debian-mike>can even be done in synaptic i believe
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20:47<debian-mike>ok
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20:48<debian-mike>may i ask what the difference between deb http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ jessie main and deb http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ jessie main cintrib
20:49<debian-mike>* main contrib
20:49<sney>!contrib
20:49<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>.
20:49<sney>it's just different licensing for the most part
20:49<debian-mike>ok so do i need to add a whole new line
20:50<debian-mike>ro jut ammend the current one
20:50<sney>just amend
20:50<debian-mike>ok
20:50<debian-mike>will do
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20:51<debian-mike>so main contrib is the same as main with all the extra non free stuff
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20:51<debian-mike>is that correct
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20:52<sney>main contrib includes packages from 'main' and 'contrib'. and if you do main contrib non-free, then you get everything including packages from 'non-free' as well
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20:57<debian-mike>thanks all
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20:58<debian-mike>sney, yes i know this is linux similar but different to ubuntu, mint, etc that i have used
20:59<sney>okay
20:59<debian-mike>ok now installing the virtualbox-guest-utils thanks
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21:00<sney>np
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21:00<debian-mike>cool now i have to go about choosing the apps i actually need and use no more extra stuff i never need
21:01<debian-mike>i dont know why ubuntu mint etc all dont have a net install option they are great
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21:02<debian-mike>guess each os is different and has its good and bad idea
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21:02<debian-mike>right now how to make it show properly
21:02<debian-mike>i think a reboot is in order first hopefully it will now show proper full screen
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21:04<debian-mike>ok back
21:04<debian-mike>cool now howing full screen properly
21:04<debian-mike>this is great
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21:07<debian-mike>strange there is no firefox app
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21:08<debian-mike>!firefox
21:08<dpkg>Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net. For the latest and greatest versions of Iceweasel, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
21:09<debian-mike>!iceweasel
21:09<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". Ask me about <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. Since June 2013, Iceweasel in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
21:09<debian-mike>!why iceweasel
21:09<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>.
21:10<debian-mike>!iceweasel
21:10<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". Ask me about <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. Since June 2013, Iceweasel in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
21:10<debian-mike>!iceweasel vs firefox
21:10<dpkg>The main difference between iceweasel and firefox is the icon. The rendering engine is the same, the preferences are the same, the handling of plugins like flash is the same. Ask me about <iceweasel doesn't work> <iceweasel user-agent> <why iceweasel> <iceweasel backports>.
21:10<SynrG>!tell debian-mike about msg the bot
21:10<centrx>:_
21:11<debian-mike>oh yea sorry i forgot about that
21:11<debian-mike>!msg
21:11<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).
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21:33<debian-mike>ok my keyboard is not working properly the key with " on it when pressed gives me a @ and the @ key gives me a " the key with hash on it gives me £ etc
21:33<debian-mike>any ideas
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21:45<debian-mike>ok in debian do i need to install separate jave app to get jave in web
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21:46<sney>yeah it's called icedtea something
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21:48<debian-mike>the info bot is outdated
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21:48<debian-mike>it says to install icedtea6-plugin but that is now been replaced by icedtea7-plugin
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21:49<sney>the info bot is for stable users. testing users are expected to know what they are doing.
21:50<debian-mike>it should be ammended to say install icedtea-plugin
21:50<debian-mike>oh ok i understand lol
21:50<debian-mike>io was recomended to get testing as it has more stuff is rollig release and cause i already know lots about ubuntu adn mint etc
21:51<debian-mike>i guess i still have lots to learn ay
21:51<sney>I don't know who recommended testing to a new user, but that was kind of a dumb recommendation
21:51<sney>anyway, testing support goes to #debian-next, make sure to read http://deb.li/sidfaq and file any bugs that you find
21:52<debian-mike>see icedtea-plugin is the default app that installed the latest jave updates on any debian os.
21:52<debian-mike>i have used LinuxMint Debian for a while
21:52<debian-mike>so i am used to a debian testing base anyway
21:52<debian-mike>you heard of LMDE
21:53<debian-mike>LMDE = Linux Mint Debian Edition
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21:53<sney>icedtea-plugin is a metapackage, which means it doesn't have any software in it, it only depends on other packages. on jessie, installing icedtea-plugin works fine because the only icedtea plugin is version 7. On wheezy, both versions 6 and 7 are available. what do you think happens if you 'apt-get install icedtea-plugin' on a system where there are 2 candidates for icedtea
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21:53<debian-mike>its got its issues and i was told that the debian testing base is more stable than LMDE which it is built on
21:54<sney>and yes I have heard of linux mint debian edition, though I don't necessarily understand why it exists when they could have just contributed to debian instead.
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21:54<debian-mike>it will not install them or it will ask you which one you want to install
21:55<sney>and do you think that's a nice decision to give a noob who just wants to have browser applets?
21:55<sney>the bot factoids will mostly be updated to reflect jessie best practices once jessie releases. until then, they will stay as they are
21:56<debian-mike>sney, lmde exists because some mint users thought a rolling release was a good idea. and lmde looks and feels like mint os mint users can pick it up easily
21:56<sney>I'm not really convinced that any of those derivatives are necessary in the first place.
21:56*sney shrug
21:57<debian-mike>sney, as java 7 is the latest stable java you would think the default icetea-plugin on debian stable would be icetea7-plugin and the icetea6-plugin would be old
21:58<debian-mike>sney, yes i think that too there are many problems with LMDE such as rolling over is never quite the same as the fresh updated reinstall
21:58<debian-mike>LMDE is quite easy breakable
21:58<sney>testing itself is easily breakable
22:00<debian-mike>here is a great review of LMDE you would like. http://sneekygeekers.com/2014/03/14/1382/ the guy has similar view to you about it
22:00*sney shrug
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22:00<sney>it's ok, I'm happy just contributing to debian
22:00<debian-mike>oh well i have it installed now so i will keep it fir a testing os so i know what to install etc
22:01<debian-mike>yea i am testing debian to compare it to ubuntu and mint
22:01<sney>ok.
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22:03<debian-mike>so far i like the idea of a net install small os and install what you need
22:04<sney>yeah, it's intended to be universal, so there's no big pile of extra stuff from the developers assuming they know what you wnat
22:04<debian-mike>its just not a noob friendly linux os. you have to know what apps you need after install
22:04<debian-mike>like xchat, pidgin, chromium etc
22:04<sney>yes. though there is lots of documentation and friendly helpers
22:04<sney>hexchat
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22:05<debian-mike>hexchat ?????
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22:05<debian-mike>xchat is what i installed
22:05<debian-mike>always used xchat on many os its a linux universal app
22:05<debian-mike>what is hexchat
22:05<sney>xchat development stalled 4 years ago, hexchat is the replacement. it behaves the same it's just actually still being updated
22:06<sney>,v hexchat
22:06<judd>Package: hexchat on i386 -- jessie: 2.9.6.1-2; sid: 2.9.6.1-2
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22:06<debian-mike>oh i see so xchat is eol and hexchat is still maintained
22:06<sney>yes
22:06<debian-mike>thansk i will replace them
22:07<abrotman>"ish"
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22:07<sney>abrotman: eol may not be the right term but it's basically true. abandoned is more like it though
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22:08<debian-mike>before i go how do i regester a nic on this debian chat service i notice its not on freenode or such
22:08<sney>it works the same way, /msg nickserv help register
22:08<debian-mike>thanks
22:09<debian-mike>ok how do i get a hostmask/cloak for my nick account
22:10<sney>http://www.oftc.net/ for network info
22:11<abrotman>debian-mike: or just use Freenode
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22:12<debian-mike>ok i get how a cloak works but how can i get a personalized one i dont understand that
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22:13<debian-mike>usually on other irc chat you just ask for a hostmask to be applied in the main network channel
22:13<abrotman>On OFTC, you don't
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22:13<abrotman>or don't need one anyway
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22:13<ncl>http://www.oftc.net/UserCloaks/
22:13<debian-mike>ok i understand
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22:49<Tr0n>Hello. I have set up harden and a firewall on my wheezy system. And I was wondering what all people think should be done for securing my laptop for use on open networks such as hotels and Starbucks etc.
22:51<Tr0n>Such as hotels and Starbucks etc. I use tor normally on open networks but for personal things I would be doing online I would use open VPN/private tunnel
22:51<centrx>That sounds good
22:51<Tr0n>Is there anything that I am missing to tighten up security?
22:52<rudi_s>Tr0n: If you're paranoid, configure iptables to prevent all non VPN traffic from leaving your computer.
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22:53<Tr0n>Rudi_s would love to read up on it you happen to know of some ok places To study up on that
22:53<Tr0n>Sorry not extremely tech type person
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22:55<Tr0n>Or would you think that I am just being overly paranoid ?
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22:56<rudi_s>Tr0n: Not sure if it's worth then, it takes a while to learn the basic stuff about iptables. But if you're interested (which is great):Tr0n: Not sure if it's worth then, it takes a while to learn the basic stuff about iptables. But if you're interested (which is great): http://inai.de/links/iptables/ - especially the links at the bottom (the hints are more for advanced users when you know the basics)
22:57<rudi_s>I don't think you can be too paranoid these days ;-)
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22:58<Tr0n>rudi_s I am very interested. An I do have a love for computers and would love to learn everything that I can about them than you so very much for your help.
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22:59<rudi_s>Tr0n: :-) - you're welcome. Have fun. There's much to learn.
22:59<Tr0n>rudi_s thank you so very much
22:59<rudi_s>np
22:59<Tr0n>rudi_s I am looking forward to it.
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23:00<rudi_s>Tr0n: Btw. it's also very intersting to join channels like Freenode/##networking or Freenode/#netfilter and just read what other are asking and answering. You can learn a lot that way.
23:00<Tr0n>rudi_s I been trying to learn more about up tables but been havering trouble finding good stuff online to read up on. Wanting to stop using gufw
23:01<rudi_s>Tr0n: Sounds like a good idea. The links at that website should help. And if you have qustions, just ask in Freenode/#netfilter (after reading the /topic) or any other network-related channel.
23:01<Tr0n>rudi_s that is a good idea. I'll do that I used to go to #2600 and do that trying to learn thugs when I was a child
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23:02<Tr0n>Thanks a lot.
23:04<rudi_s>You're welcome.
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23:30<awal>apart gufw, is there another good alternative for firestarter?
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23:36<awal>never used ufw. I wonder if gufw can be configured or have the option to show the real-time hits as firestarter does?
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