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01:12<centrx> HexChat: 2.9.6 ** OS: Linux 3.13-1-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian jessie/sid ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2620M CPU @ 2.70GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.03GHz ** RAM: Physical: 7.7GB, 95.7% free ** Disk: Total: 281.4GB, 78.5% free ** VGA: 8086:0126 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH29: ThinkPad EC - ThinkPad Console Audio Control ** Ethernet: 8086:1502 ** Uptime: 10h 59m 56s **
01:12<centrx>woops
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01:42<rryoumaa>i am newly getting this error. any clues? "zfs-fuse: WARNING: Failed to flush write cache on device '/dev/disk/by-id/dm-name-myname_crypt'. Data on pool 'myname' may be lost if power fails. No further warnings will be given."
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02:37<Hatter>I have 3x wheezy boxes that all run tightvncserver 1.3.9-6.4 as a host for virtualbox. On two of them, every few weeks, vnc crashes entirely, however the third one hasn't done this.
02:38<Hatter>how do I go about troubleshooting this ?
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02:40<jm_>crashes as in segfault?
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02:43<Hatter>jm_, I am not sure, when I have come across it, the process is just not running.
02:43<Hatter>ah: Xtightvnc[3016]: segfault at 7fdd0e66b812 ip 00000000004e6b93 sp 00007fff942f4750 error 6 in Xtightvnc[400000+17d000]
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02:43<jm_>Hatter: does it create a core file?
02:44<jm_>looks just like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702680
02:45<Hatter>jm_, where do i look for a core file ?
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02:47<Hatter>yes, it looks like that bug report, which was tended a year ago.
02:47<Hatter>Should I contact Ola ?
02:48<jm_>Hatter: normally it's in the dir where the process is started from (you can adjust it using kernel.core_pattern sysctl setting)
02:48<jm_>you can simply send mail to that bug report and add additional information if you have any
02:49<Hatter>unfortunately I am a noob when it comes to bug reporting, I don't have any more info than what I have posted or what has already been posted
02:50<Hatter>my debian stable is now occasionally unstable for the first time in my debian experience.
02:50<jm_>what you could do is try to build it with debugging info included and then collect stack trace with more info
02:51<SamB>Hatter: it's not called stable because it doesn't crash
02:51<SamB>it's called stable because people aren't generally pulling the carpet out from under you
02:51<Hatter>there's a first time for everything, it's been mighty stable for me so far, I am thanful.
02:51<Hatter>'thankful'
02:52<SamB>(with the sad exception of browser makers)
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02:53<Hatter>jm_, ok I will look into doing this when I have some time in the next few days.
02:53<Hatter>is it worth posting to the BTS again ?
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02:54<jm_>if you have more info then it sure is
02:54<Liquid>With iptables if say you want to allow outgoing traffic to port 22 but deny incoming traffic to 22 how do you set that?
02:55<Hatter>Liquid, not answering your question, but shorewall is awesome, 'iptables made easy' is there motto.
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02:55<Liquid>I am trying to learn to set iptables up without gufw
02:55<Hatter>oops 'their'
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02:56<Hatter>shorewall is a configurator.
02:56<Liquid>Oh your fine hatter I just trying to learn something new it's cool
02:56<Liquid>Hatter I still would enjoy researching it to learn about it
02:57<Hatter>Liquid, I am somewhat lazy, there is a lot to remember with iptables, shorewall makes it easier.
02:58<Liquid>I am noticing it is. But the one thing about computer I love is the on going challenge that comes with them lol
02:58<Hatter>go for it then :)
02:59<Liquid>Lol just havering trouble finding good tutorials online about it
02:59<Hatter>http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/01/iptables-fundamentals/
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03:01<Hatter>you could use shorewall to learn iptables. create the rules you are after then look at the chains afterwards.
03:01<Liquid>Hatter thanks a lot
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03:01<Liquid>Hatter that sounds good.
03:02<Hatter>shorewall is not a program as such, it configures iptables for you based on the rulesets you need. a good community and well documented.
03:02<Liquid>And know only if the kali channel had people like debian does I would be doing great lol
03:03<Hatter>jm_, thx
03:03<Liquid>That is a great idea I'll really look at it
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03:03<Hatter>np
03:04<jm_>Liquid: iptables has INPUT and OUTPUT chains, did you read iptables tutorial?
03:04<jm_>Hatter: no worries
03:04<Liquid>The kali channel has a large number of people but no one will ever speak in there lol, but I am asking about debian wheezy for this I dual boot
03:05<Liquid>jm I have a idea of what I am trying to do but I feel I am missing something
03:05<jm_>!iptables tutorial
03:05<dpkg>rumour has it, iptables tutorial is http://www.frozentux.net/documents/iptables-tutorial/
03:05<Hatter>Liquid, perhaps you should set up a virtualmachine with virtualbox which you can use on windows, then you can setup shorewall and watch the rules it makes and try different stuff.
03:06<Liquid>iptables -A DENY -p tcp --dport ?? 22 DENY
03:07<Liquid>I have vbox that I run on my wheezy but I do run win8 in vbox lol
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03:15<toby_hubbard>hello?
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03:16<toby_hubbard>Liquid
03:16<Liquid>Hatter I have a quit question have you ever heard a linux tool called se toolkit?
03:17<Liquid>Toby_hubbard how are you
03:17<toby_hubbard>im alright
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03:18<Liquid>Do I know you?
03:18<toby_hubbard>What do you mean?
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03:19<Liquid>Hubbard the name just seems familiar
03:19<toby_hubbard>Do you live in Australia?
03:20<Liquid>Been there on vacation once
03:20<jm_>Liquid: -A DENY is wrong, to deny packets you use DROP or REJECT targets
03:20<Liquid>Oh ok I knew I was forgetting something
03:20<weasel>(and DROP is almost always evil)
03:20<toby_hubbard>You sound like you live in USA Liquid
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03:21<Liquid>Used to
03:22<toby_hubbard>anyway im running Xubuntu and i cant run Minecraft.jar can anyone help?
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03:22<musca>toby_hubbard: not here, this is the debian linux support channel.
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03:23<musca>!ubuntuirc
03:23<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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03:25<Daskreech>Hullo.
03:25<Daskreech>Is remastersys at all frowned on since the change?
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03:30<bea>iceweasel users, i'm curious: i have terrible scrolling performance on some pages, despite being on a super high-end machine. i tried both proprietary nvidia and noveau, and both with and without hardware acceleration in iceweasel settings, always the same. here's the site: http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2013/01/07/bash-tips-and-tricks/ ...anyone else?
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03:32<jm_>bea: feels just like usual iceweasel here
03:32<bea>jm_: is it smooth or choppy?
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03:33<jm_>bea: compared to chromium it feels choppy, but I am used to it after all this years
03:33<saiyan>sdf
03:33<jm_>these*
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03:33<saiyan>how do i rice out my desktop
03:33<bea>i just tried upstream firefox, and disabling desktop effects, no change with either
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03:38<bea>jm_: just tried chromium, it's smooth. are such things considered bugs, or will people be angry if i report something like that? i hate when apple users righfully point out to me that they are the only ones who can scroll a webpage without hickups
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03:38<rryoumaa>bea: killing iceweasel and restarting sometimes improves performance. you can also vacuum.
03:38<rryoumaa>(which is pretty ridiculous)
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03:39<bea>rryoumaa: that sounds like a remedy for memory issues. pretty sure that's not it (i have 16gb of ram)
03:39<rryoumaa>most likely
03:39<jm_>bea: maybe check mozilla's bugzilla DB if someone already reported it
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03:41*rryoumaa notes that bookmark all tabs is on tab menu, but bookmark this page is on main menu. close window doesn't exist, and the x disappears on the sole remaining tab, making closing window impossible, but you do close all tabs from the tab menu. and so on. firefox is not a reasonable program.
03:41<Daskreech>Anyone have tips on making a live CD snapshot for debian?
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03:42<bea>rryoumaa: also don't forget that instead of graying out an inactive toolbar button, it vanishes, and all other toolbar items must realign. this is animated as well.
03:42<jm_>Daskreech: have you tried bootcd package?
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03:44<rryoumaa>i don
03:44<rryoumaa>'t get why 4gb is not enough for iceweasel
03:45<bea>rryoumaa: ok, to be fair, i've never had that issue. how many tabs do you have open?
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03:45<jm_>it's not? I am running it for months and these days it barely goes above 1.5G
03:45<rryoumaa>dunno, but <100 probably
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03:46<bea>rryoumaa: well, this at least seems to be proportional. i usually have <20 and i only have 2g of ram, which seems more than enough (on my private machine, that is)
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03:54<Daskreech>jm_: No let me look at it
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04:14<jm_>Daskreech: if you really mean live debian project then they have long manual for how to create and customize it
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04:14<Daskreech>jm_: Is there an IRC for them?
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04:16<n0a>i need a ram upgrade. im using 8/8GB :\
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04:16<n0a>debian just loves ram
04:16<jm_>Daskreech: #debian-live
04:16<n0a>or i should say gnome does
04:16<Daskreech>thanks :)
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04:17<Daskreech>jm_: What's the difference between the Debian Live project and the bootcd tools?
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04:18<jm_>Daskreech: bootcd takes a regular debian installation and builds a CD image out of it, debian live is your typicall live release
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04:22<Daskreech>jm_: Hmm They sound quite similar. I guess Debian live being a sub set of boot CD :)
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07:22<Xylon>why is gmtp so slow?
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07:24<Xylon>~ 50 second delay on every operation
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07:25<Xylon>even just creating a folder
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07:35<Marcin>elo
07:35<Miechu>elo elo
07:35<Marcin>Siema siom
07:36<Marcin>Co to jest?
07:36<Marcin>wtf
07:36<Marcin>lol
07:36<Miechu>KURwy jebane\
07:36<Miechu>piszcie coś
07:36<Miechu>zjeby
07:36<Miechu>xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
07:36<Miechu>ljbmnfgh
07:36<Miechu>ghd
07:36<Miechu>fhdfe
07:36<Miechu>h
07:36<Miechu>eyh
07:36<Miechu>ae
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08:35<zathras>Hi. I have 16% free diskspace on /var (=1.3 gb) still I get errors: no space left on device. So no lock files can be created. Next I checked available inodes. This reached 100% used. I removed a lot of unneeded files. Still 100%. What can I do besides a reboot?
08:36<jm_>why do you think reboot would solve this issue?
08:37<Brigo>zathras, try to delete files, small ones or empty ones may be ok.
08:37<zathras>getting rid of .pid and other temp files might release some i nodes
08:37<SynrG>zathras: open files can consume space
08:38<SynrG>oh, available inodes, hmm
08:38<zathras>I now have 800 inodes free. Which is rounded still 100%
08:38<Stummi>maybe somthing is running which continuously creates new files?
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08:39<zathras>Euh. Yes. Daemons :P Like a mail daemin
08:39<jm_>so try moving some stuff elsewhere or delete more file
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08:40<SynrG>check your mail queue. any junk in there?
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08:41<hehe>hello! anyone here who can help me regarding disk caching?
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08:42<SynrG>!metaquestion
08:42<dpkg>"Is 'is this question a metaquestion?' a metaquestion?"
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08:43<hehe>i dont know whats a metaquestion
08:43<hehe>probably yes
08:43<SynrG>just ask your real question, not a question *about* your question, please
08:43<joseph-soares>when my laptop get hot it shuts down. Is it normal?
08:43<SynrG>joseph-soares: how hot? do you have a sensor readout for that?
08:43<hehe>how low is it safe to set dirty ratio and dirty background ratio with 8gb ram?
08:44<Stummi>joseph-soares, yes, modern hardware should shut down if it gets too hot to avaoid damage. However, your laptop getting hot enough for this shutdown is not normal
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08:47<joseph-soares>SynrG, Stummi there's a sensor that show 60ºC and when it reach more than 100ºC for a few minutes it shuts down. I don't think it's normal. To be honest I use Firefox with lots of tabs opened for a long time, but I don't know if it is necessary to make the computer gets hot easyly
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08:48<Stummi>joseph-soares, what does sensors say for the "high" and "crit" value for your CPU?
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08:49<Stummi>joseph-soares, 100° is too high, yes. You probably have a problem with your cpu cooling
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08:49<Stummi>or a fucked up fancontrol or something like this
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08:51<joseph-soares>Stummi, well, I have this computer for three or four years I don't remember. Sometimes I open it to clean, change thermal paste, but it steel get so hot. So I set processor to be powersave and it works ok. I was thinking if it is any Debian (7) issue?
08:52<joseph-soares>Stummi, well, to solve this problem is enough for me makes laptop hibernate instead of shut down. Can I change this behavior?
08:53<Stummi>I don't think so
08:53<Stummi>joseph-soares, do you have PWM? Can you check if your fan is at full speed when your CPU gets hot?
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08:54<joseph-soares>because shuting down I lose all opened things.
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08:55<joseph-soares>Stummi, I don't think I have pwm
08:55<Stummi>well, some BIOSes allow you to turn off the "shut down when hot"-feature, but this will probably damage your hardware
08:55<blast007>joseph-soares: have you checked to make sure that dust isn't clogging up the fan/heatsink?
08:55<joseph-soares>I don't know
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08:55<Stummi>joseph-soares, do you see a fan speed when typing "sensors" in your shell?
08:55<blast007>oh, you mentioned cleaning it
08:55<Stummi>something like this: CPU FAN Speed: 3199 RPM (min = 800 RPM, max = 7200 RPM)
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08:56<Stummi>and he mentioned changing thermal paste, both, using too much and to less thermal paste can cause heating problems. But here I will just assume he knows what he does
08:57<hehe>why not take this private and let other questions remain visible?
08:58<joseph-soares>Stummi, There was a command for this, I don't remember which one
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08:59<Stummi>a command for what?
08:59<drgr33n>Hey, I've got a question about securing my boot process where would I ask ?
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08:59<joseph-soares>Stummi, cpu fan speed
09:00<Stummi>joseph-soares, the command is "sensors
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09:00<joseph-soares>(high = +95.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
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09:01<joseph-soares>Stummi, only for -> Core 0: +60.0°C (high = +95.0°C, crit = +105.0°C) and for -> Core 2: +58.0°C (high = +95.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
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09:01<Stummi>thats not your fan speed
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09:01<joseph-soares>Stummi, I gess there's no fan sensor
09:02<Stummi>yes, I think so
09:02<drgr33n>I'll ask here just incase anyone can help. I'm trying to encrypt my laptop using luks. I've read about also signing my kernel but my laptop does not support secure booting. So I was thinking grub2 supports unlocking luks so could I create an UEFI partition /boot and an encrypted container /boot/secure that holds my initrd.img and vmlinuz. ? Would this secure anything at all lol
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09:04<joseph-soares>Stummi, when I set cpu for "ondemand", it change the temperature to +- 80C
09:04<hehe>set grub password in that case?
09:04<drgr33n>I was thinking this would protect my initrd from tinkering
09:04<drgr33n>offline
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09:06<joseph-soares>Stummi, when it gets so hot I hear the fan working in high speed, differently when I turn it on, that I can't hear fan working.
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09:07<hehe>dont you have to be root to be able to mount initrd.img
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09:08<hehe>never mind :) i let some one more experienced answer your question
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09:09<drgr33n>I'm trying to protect my laptop from offline initrd tinkering (installing keylogger to extract cryptkeys)
09:09<joseph-soares>Stummi, is there how to change this behavior? I think if it suspended or hibernated was really better for me
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09:10<sney>drgr33n: if an attacker has local access to your machine it's basically game over anyway. take the disk with you if you can't keep the machine on your person at all times, if you're that paranoid
09:10<Stummi>joseph-soares, you can't change the behavior. As I alread told, the only thing you can do with som BIOSes is to configure to not shut down at overheating, but this will damage your hardware
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09:11<Stummi>joseph-soares, I think you just have a problem with your cooling. Maybe you used the wrong amount of thermal paste or something like this
09:11<drgr33n>If an attacker had access locally and my initrd is encrypted on a luks partition how else would they gain access ?
09:11<Stummi>however, shutting down on overheading is a switch directly implemented into your hardware. Its nothing what your OS does
09:12<drgr33n>unless it was on :D
09:12<hehe>do you use an ssd?
09:12<hehe>a
09:12<drgr33n>one ssd & one hdd
09:12<sney>there's such a thing as a hardware keylogger. I bet they could make them really small now
09:12<sney>yes, you can encrypt everything.
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09:13<joseph-soares>Stummi, I configure this in setup interface?
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09:13<sney>but at least 3/4 of security is keeping people out of your stuff physically
09:13<joseph-soares>because my at my BIOS interface I can't do so
09:13<hehe>ssd password, wouldn't that solve it?
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09:14<xnox>drgr33n: whatever is used to mount encrypted volume, is always unencrypted.
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09:14<drgr33n>ssd password is an option too I suppose
09:14<xnox>drgr33n: those are trivial to bypass =)
09:15<drgr33n>lol what ssd passwors ?
09:15<xnox>drgr33n: lookup evil-maid attacks, physical access means you can be trivially pw0ned.
09:15<drgr33n>*passwords
09:15<xnox>drgr33n: one way is to always boot from a personal usb-stick, which never let go and mount encrypted volumes using it.
09:15<hehe>you can set password for the disk in bios
09:16<xnox>drgr33n: but that only eliminates some of the attack vectors.
09:16<xnox>hehe: because bios are somehow secure, do not have bugs, and where not shown to be trivially bypassed at security conferences, including secure-boot et.al.
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09:17<Stummi>joseph-soares, you can't configure it
09:17<hehe>wow that paranoid? :)
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09:19<drgr33n>lol evil maid sucks
09:20<drgr33n>yup got quite a few bitcoins :D
09:20<hehe>i didn't know password protected ssd's had benn broken in to? :s
09:20<drgr33n>and before you start I'm running from USB :D
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09:23<drgr33n>does debian have chkboot ?
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09:27<jm_>drgr33n: you can check here https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
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09:29<hehe_>xnox: how would bugs in bios make it easier to bypass the password for a ssd?
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09:31<drgr33n>yup ssd password is delt with by the disks firmware.
09:31<drgr33n>Bios does nothing. The only way would be a moddified bios with a keylogger installed
09:31<joseph-soares>Stummi, ok. thank you
09:32<xnox>hehe_: install itercept for unlock ATA calls from bios to the sdd, leave/wait for you to unlock it, read your ssd password / replay ata calls to unlock the ssd once you are away again.
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09:36<hehe_>xnox: interesting, will search more on that :)
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09:48<CeBe>hi, I was trying to report a bug this morning, created it with the reportbug tool and also got the mail it sent. However it does not show up here and I do not get confirmation email about bug number. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=apache2-mpm-worker
09:48<CeBe>what am I missing or doing wrong?
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09:49<devil>it usualy takes at least 20 minutes
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09:49<CeBe>devil: report was sent at 11:30, it's 14:49 here now
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09:50<devil>I would still give it some more time
09:50<CeBe>okay
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09:51<CeBe>if it is an automated process I'd expect it to work faster. Or are there people actually reading and approving it?
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09:52<devil>no, it is automated for a start. sometimes it is just slow.
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09:53<CeBe>k, will wait a bit longer then... thanks
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10:03<SynrG>CeBe: your local MTA might be misconfigured
10:03<SynrG>CeBe: some ISPs drop port 25 outgoing entirely and insist you use them as a smarthost
10:04<SynrG>when this has happened to me, i got no rejection mail sent back from the ISP
10:04<SynrG>this is probably to cut down on massive amounts of worm traffic
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10:05<CeBe>SynrG: thanks for your reply. ISP is not a problem, mail has been delivered to debian mailserver sucessfully
10:05<CeBe>Mar 17 10:37:43 mala postfix/smtp[18844]: 23E3C3642F31: to=<submit@bugs.debian.org>, relay=buxtehude.debian.org[140.211.166.26]:25, delay=442, delays=440/0/1.7/0.74, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1WPUvP-0004Jc-7g)
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10:05<SynrG>good. then it's just slow
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10:42<sonfack>hi
10:42<sonfack>j ai un pb
10:43<sonfack>j ai configuer squid3 et squidguard
10:43<sonfack>le filtrage est bon mais les clients du reseau local ne peuvent pas acceder aux site http
10:43<zathras>!en
10:43<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
10:44<sonfack>ok
10:44<sonfack>i have install squid3 and squidguard on my proxy server
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10:44<sonfack>but now client can't access to http website
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10:45<sonfack>they access only https website
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10:47<zathras>sonfack, so that probably means that http is filtered out by squid3. Check the config, check logs and see if you can access a http site from the server itself
10:47<zathras>(bypassing squid to make sure https is not filtered by a firewall or something)
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10:49<sonfack>zathras , it is posible to access http site from the server
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10:50<sonfack>how do i bypass ? is it a special configuration ?
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11:29<ndrameswaram>jai
11:29<ndrameswaram>hi
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12:38<that_guy>so I went to listen to some music today, and my audio was horribly choppy. I figured out that commenting out the bluetooth modules in /etc/pulse/default.pa made it go away. Which package do I file this against?
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12:43<Nemoder>that_guy: I would file it against the package pulseaudio
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12:43<that_guy>I'm on testing, if that's relevant
12:43<that_guy>and bluez was the latest to update
12:43<Tr0n>I am using debian wheezy on my laptop, I am also using the usb cable for my printer, would like to set up my laptop for wireless printing but don't know enough about linux to know where to start.
12:44<Tr0n>Linux to know where to start.
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12:45<mtn>Tr0n: normally you set up a wireless printer just like you set up a connected printer, using the same tools.
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12:46<Tr0n>Haven't had much luck with that I have tried. Could it be possible that it is not setting up not havering the proper driver for the printer, or do you think that I have it do to wired connection working
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12:48<mtn>Tr0n: if you want some help, you will need to provide some real info. which printer. which version of debian. what you have tried. what errors you got.
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12:49<mtn>heh
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12:53<Kevin_>Hello
12:53<Kevin_>what is this?
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12:53<Kevin_>I am spanish
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12:54<Kevin_>no people here?
12:54<Kevin_>lol
12:54<kyconquers>I'm here.
12:54<Kevin_>what is this chat?
12:55<Kevin_>XD
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12:55<Kevin_>it is crazy
12:56<Kevin_>bye
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13:01<Miller>Hello guys/gals I had a friend talking to me last night and was talking about something called a payload but was wondering what it was?
13:01<Miller>Is it good or bad?
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13:02<valdyn>Miller: neither
13:02<bhuddah>if you have a bag... that's what you put in it.
13:02<Miller>Valdyn ok thanks, what is it?
13:03<bhuddah>could be a pipe bomb or laundry ^^
13:03<Miller>Lol
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13:04<valdyn>!payload
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13:04<Miller>Personally I am thinking that it could serve good prepares or bad, but not sure
13:04<valdyn>Miller: a trojan has a payload, maybe thats what its used for mostly in computers
13:05*abrotman wonders how this is related to Debian ..
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13:05<bhuddah>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payload_(computing)
13:05*abrotman points at #debian-offtopic
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13:06<Miller>What good reasons could something like that be, my so started messing up and that was what brought up the topic is why I ask
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13:07<valdyn>maybe thats his so messing up ;)
13:07<biaxs>http://xdcc_CANCEL_X1395076034
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13:08<abrotman>really?
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14:36<violinuxer>hey, can anybody here help me set the CORRECT dpi on debian? I'm using fluxbox as a wm, with a screen that is 1080p, with a dpi of 141ppi
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14:36<violinuxer>the problem is that gtk text (at 11 font) is huge
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14:40<frangor>violinuxer, https://wiki.debian.org/FluxBox#Changing_GTK_themes
14:41<musca>!dpi
14:41<dpkg>Your Dots Per Inch (DPI) setting affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_millimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, ask me about <xorg config>. http://scanline.ca/dpi/
14:41<hehe>xnox: seems like you only have to remove the hardware keylogger. problem solved lol
14:41<violinuxer>dpkg: I set it in xorg.conf, and in using xrdb
14:41<dpkg>i don't know, violinuxer
14:42<violinuxer>musca: haha typo...
14:42<CdK1>Hi * I use Debian jessie in AMD10 with Radeon HD 8600/8700M in gnome 3
14:43<CdK1>the mkv files crash
14:43<blast007>CdK1: Debian Testing/Unstable support is in #debian-next
14:44<CdK1>Also it is delayed in loading gnome. Gnome flashback cannot minimize the icnos because they get lost, designs someone?
14:44<CdK1>blast007, thx :)
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14:46<violinuxer>okay. I've set the screen size in xorg.conf (xdpyinfo was detecting it wrong) and I've set xft.dpi using Xdefaults. I've got a gnome text scaling factor of 1.5 i think
14:47<violinuxer>correction .7 as scaling factor
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15:46<dodie>hello
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15:46<donnaber>who
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15:48<lastleo85>am in kali and i cannot install indicator - synapse
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15:50<donnaber>Hello All
15:50<donnaber>Hi everyone
15:50<planetmaker>if you have a question you should just ask :)
15:51<planetmaker>general chat in #debian-offtopic
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15:54<Brigo>!kali
15:54<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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16:13<lastleo85_>so all the ubuntu applications can work in kali debian
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16:24<abrotman>lastleo85_: That's not relevant here.
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16:34<alfa>hello everybody, I'm having a problem with audio; since yesterday it doesn't work anymore, the mixer seems to be fine, do you know what I can check about it?
16:35<alfa>I'm using debian testing with openbox
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16:42<alfa>nobody?
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16:45<ompaul>what changes did you make yesterday?
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16:46<alfa>I think that I installed empathy
16:46<somiaj>alfa: do you have multiple sound cards? Did your reboot your machine recently? It could be they are being detected in a different order?
16:47<somiaj>alfa: check cat /proc/asound/cards
16:47<ompaul>alfa: in a terminal you can check things out with the command "alsamixer"
16:47<alfa>somiaj: cat /proc/asound/cards
16:47<alfa> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
16:47<alfa> HDA Intel at 0xdfef8000 irq 42
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16:48<alfa>ompaul: I already check the mixer with alsamixer, and everything seems to be fine there
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16:48<somiaj>if you only have one card, then my thought will not be your issue.
16:48<flr>hey guys
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16:48<ompaul>alfa: something might be muted check again and make sure your alsamixer has picked up your card correctly
16:49<alfa>I've rebooted the computer twice since yesterday too
16:49<ompaul>flr: you have a debian question?
16:49<flr>it's about iptables
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16:50<ompaul>the channel may be listening do ask it (don't address me thanks ;-)) my iptables methods are old and awkward)
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16:51<ompaul>alfa: for fun and no profit with no pinning involved apt-get update && atp-get dist-upgrade can help sometimes
16:51<McClane>hello, i want to learn to make a deb package from source. Does the source has to be in c++?
16:52<alfa>I'm doing apt-get upgrade now, when it will finish I'll try dist-upgrade too
16:52<flr>i got a question: if i change my input policy ( iptables: http://pastebin.com/A7FDuPC5 ) to DROP i'm not able to retrieve the piwik page but i'm able to retrieve the forum - and if i turn the input policy to ACCEPT - it works fine
16:52<ompaul>alfa: when on testing start with dist-upgrade (it cuts out junk(
16:54<alfa>I'm checking alsamixer again, and I see that I can't change Headphone volume
16:54<ompaul>alfa: upgrade is just half the process, this advice does not carry to a stable release to next stable release that is upgrade dist-upgrade
16:54<ompaul>alfa: wait until you get new kernel modules and reboot
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16:55<alfa>ok it will take some time
16:55<ompaul>McClane: your question doesn't seem to make sense, so you can build packages in python, perl and so on
16:55<ompaul>alfa: do this apt-get -d dist-upgrade
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16:55<McClane>ompaul, i have the source in pascal, is it possible to build a deb from it?
16:55<ompaul>so you can get all outstanding packages first
16:56<ompaul>McClane: you can compile your pascal so you can make binary - I don't know that I'm answering your question it seems a little vague
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16:57<alfa>-d just download the packages?
16:57<McClane>ok ompaul my question is for learning purposes. I've learnt making deb from binaries and i want to learn making it from source, but i don't know if pascal is supported
16:57<ompaul>alfa: yes, after that you can dist-upgrade if time is a problem
16:57<McClane>does my question have sense now?
16:58<alfa>no, the problem is the slow connection :(
16:58<ompaul>McClane: it makes more, you have source, you can compile it, please check the files with the source to indicate what they expect to be there as a compiler then install that and get on with life :)
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16:58<ompaul>alfa: so do apt-get -d dist-upgrade ; halt if you want to go to bed :)
16:59<alfa>:)
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17:15<McClane>have a nice day everyone and thanks ompaul
17:15<ompaul>McClane: enjoy
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17:18<deschrvi>voice software
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18:08<alfa>I did apt-get dist-upgrade, reboot, and now it's even worst
18:08<alfa>vlc doesn't start anymore, it says
18:08<alfa>Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Permission denied
18:08<alfa>[0xacf758] pulse audio output error: PulseAudio server connection failure: Connection refused
18:08<alfa>Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Permission denied
18:08<alfa>do you have advices?
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18:09<centrx>alfa, I would uninstall all that stuff, pulse, empathy, simplify the problem
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18:10<centrx>alfa, Did you not upgrade for a long time?
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18:10<alfa>I often do apt-get upgrade, but not dist-upgrade
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18:11<alfa>I can try reinstall pulseaudio
18:11<centrx>alfa, Okay, for future reference use one of dist-upgrade/dselect/aptitude
18:11<centrx>(with testing)
18:12<alfa>now I've just done dist-upgrade
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18:16<alfa>I've removed pulseaudio and empathy, and reinstalled pulseaudio
18:16<alfa>during the installation it says "[info] PulseAudio not started: Configured for per-user sessions."
18:17<alfa>and now alsamixer doesn't work neither, perhaps I need to reboot again?
18:18<valdyn>alfa: everyone uses pulseaudio per-user
18:18<valdyn>alfa: nothing wrong with it
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18:19<alfa>when I start alsamixer, or vlc,... the error is still "Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Permission denied"
18:19<alfa>I'm going to try to reboot
18:19<valdyn>alfa: go ahead
18:19<alfa>thanks, see you later
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18:23<alfa>now alsamixer and vlc start, but audio doesn't work yet :(
18:24<valdyn>alfa: run pavucontrol and see what happens in there at the playback devices
18:25<alfa>what is pavucontrol?
18:25<valdyn>alfa: its why pulseaudio is great...
18:25<valdyn>alfa: its a mixer app where you can change volume per sound app and redirect audio between devices
18:26<alfa>ok let me install it
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18:28<alfa>oh now it works!
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18:28<alfa>thank you very much valdyn
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20:13<Plagman>any debian kernel maintainers around?
20:14<dondelelcaro>Plagman: best to just ask your question; someone who isn't a kernel maintainer might be able to answer it
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20:14<dondelelcaro>(and if not, we can probably point you to the best method to get in contact with them)
20:15<Plagman>I'm wondering what the best way is to maintain a debian derivative kernel
20:15<Plagman>I need to have a git tree upstream where vendors can submit their hw-enablement pull requests and so no
20:15<Plagman>on*
20:15<Plagman>and am trying to figure out the process to get this package
20:16<Plagman>eg. is the package stuff checked-in alongside the full kernel tree? maintained separately?
20:16<Plagman>largely wondering what the debian process is of taking new upstream releases
20:16<Plagman>and how they maintain their meta-data (here the package)
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20:19<dondelelcaro>Plagman: the package stuff is maintained separately in a subversion repository
20:19<dondelelcaro>Plagman: you can see it here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel and http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/releases/linux/
20:20<dondelelcaro>http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ has more information too
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20:21<Brigo>how can i report a spammer?
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20:22<dondelelcaro>Brigo: where?
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20:22<Brigo>private message
20:22<Brigo>StephenDash
20:23<dondelelcaro>Brigo: #oftc is the place to do that; just don't paste the spam itself.
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20:23<Brigo>ok, thanks
20:24<dondelelcaro>np
20:24<Brigo>dondelelcaro, is in freenode is there a #freenode channel too?
20:25<centrx>yes
20:26<Brigo>thanks :)
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20:27<Plagman>dondelelcaro: so we could have two trees
20:27<Plagman>I see
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20:28<dondelelcaro>Plagman: Right. I'd suggest contacting the Debian kernel team (#debian-kernel on this server) with your specific details too
20:28<Plagman>thanks
20:28<dondelelcaro>Plagman: it's possible that some (or most?) of your changes should also be incorporated into the Debian kernel
20:28<Plagman>most of them will go upstream if we can help it
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20:28<Plagman>and naturally trickle down into debian as a result
20:28<dondelelcaro>right, or farther upstream.
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20:29<Plagman>right now we're spun off of an old 3.10 debian package but we're going to start tracking 3.10-longterm from upstream
20:29<Plagman>and carry a bunch of changes over that
20:30<dondelelcaro>ah, ok. yeah, Debian has a bunch of upstream changes that we've put back into our stable releases too
20:30<gtklocker>I'm having trouble logging in to my Debian Wiki account, anyone know where I can ask for help?
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20:32<Plagman>dondelelcaro: that's also one of my questions.. do I lose anything of interest if I move from that package to 3.10 as-is
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20:32<Plagman>I see _lots_ of patches in that package.
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20:35<dondelelcaro>Plagman: yeah, you'll lose stuff. There are tons of patches which are cherry-picked from newer kernels
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20:36<Plagman>should probably do a lot of review then
20:36<dondelelcaro>Plagman: but they are all documented in their own separate patches, so you should be able to figure out which onces you want to keep and which ones you want to toss
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20:36<Plagman>yeah
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21:41<raylu>i upgraded mutt to 1.5.22 today and when i press 'i' to leave a message and go back to the pager, i get 'no news server defined!' and a 2 second pause
21:42<raylu>*to the index
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21:43<raylu>well, setting 'bind i exit' fixed it...
21:44<raylu>the docs still say that's the default bind, though
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22:39<V_>I have tryed to find this question out via other sources from the #vbox. With know help just trolling.
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22:40<V_>But would anyone in here be willing to tell me how to setup a Alfa usb wifi adapter to my linux virtualbox system please
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22:41<V_>I am so sorry to ask in here but I just don't know what else to do so sorry for the bother
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