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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-03-20

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00:00<Liquid>No
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00:00<Liquid>That repo don't work and I am trying to find out if anyone knows where one is for that, that does
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00:04<LtL>Liquid: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list - ever hear of google
00:05<Liquid>I been googling it but all I have is a base system on my hard drive and a cell phone to try looking things up with
00:05<Liquid>But thank you
00:05<LtL>omixam: you need to install java for java apps to work
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00:06<dooglus>turns out it's a known bug, but you can just cancel the incredibly slow 'wipe' and installation continues. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=721360
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00:19<omixam>but I have java install...
00:21<LtL>omixam: is openjdk-7-jre installed
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00:22<centrx>This is insane
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00:23<omixam>yes... openjdk-7-jre installed
00:24<LtL>omixam: so, what doesn't work exactly
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00:33<omixam>But not work... For this reason I asking here... I search a lot of in the internet... but no body has a solution....
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00:38<Infiltrator>!tell omixam -about details
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00:41<omixam># java -version
00:41<omixam>java version "1.7.0_25"
00:41<omixam>OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.3.10) (7u25-2.3.10-1~deb7u1)
00:41<omixam>OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.7-b01, mixed mode)
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00:47<omixam_>http://paste.debian.net/88646/
00:47<omixam_>Hear my java version...
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00:48<megalinux>iae galera
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00:57<Klinton>hello. I am tired and don't feel like doing a bunch of googling for this and would like to know which version of debian to download for my pc. I am thinking it's just the amd64 version but seeing as how I am not using and amd machine I am asking for advice on this. I have an ASUS G72GX gaming laptop with an nVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M graphics card with 1GB CUDA processor and Intel Core2 Duo P8700 2.53 Ghz processor.
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00:58<Klinton>I also would like to use 64bit version of Debian as well but if that's not an option then I wil use 32bit
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00:58<Infiltrator>Klinton: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=intel+P8700 yields http://ark.intel.com/products/37006/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-P8700-%283M-Cache-2_53-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB%29 which tells you that it's a 64-bit chip, so yes, amd64.
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01:00<Klinton>allright. thank you very much. also if you could tell me what irc network centos's irc would be on? I am trying to fix the whole super user crap with it so that i can use terminal properly
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01:01<Klinton>I want to use centos to set up a server for a joomla site
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01:02<a7ndrew>Klinton: freenode
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01:02<Klinton>thanks
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01:07<saiyan>hi
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01:30<phlili>hey there, I am preparing a debian install on an existing lvm2 root volume on luks encrypted physical volumes, what installer do i need to encrypt and load lvm2?
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02:30<alejandro>someone from chile?
02:30<alejandro>?
02:34<devil_>alejandro: do you have a debian question?
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02:37<alejandro>yes; i need to find some chilean channel...could you help me?
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02:40<alejandro>i need sme help!!!
02:40<alejandro>please
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02:41<alejandro>someone who speak spanish here? i need some help
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02:41<alejandro>please
02:41<jm_>!es
02:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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02:42<jm_>this is a channel for debian support, use #debian-offtopic or something similar if you need help with something else
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02:59<us`0gb>Transmission is being hokey. For the past week, it's been flashing between a download rate of 2kB/s and 0kB/s on this 5.73kB file. The total torrent download amount is up to 29.01 GB, but the size of the directory to be downloaded is only 27.88 GB. Does anyone know how to get the torrent to actually finish? And what is with this extra data downloading?
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03:09<kardan>hey, is there a better alternative to secure-delete or why isn't it part of some system tools package?
03:09<kardan>us`0gb, what kind of torrent?
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03:10<us`0gb>kardan: What do you mean by "kind of torrent"? Do you mean the content? It's a torrent of Elephants (sic) Dream (a free movie) and related files such as audio files that are probably a sound track of sorts.
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03:11<kardan>us`0gb, it sounds like you mean a specific torrent and I can't see the relation to #debian
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03:12<kardan>if there are no sees, you are probably unlucky
03:12<kardan>seeds
03:12<us`0gb>kardan: I think it's an issue in the Transmission in Debian Stable. I could be wrong.
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03:13<us`0gb>There are seeds, and I keep downloading from them, yet the torrent never finishes and the amount I've downloaded exceeds the torrent's total size.
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03:17<jm_>more downloaded data is pretty much normal for torrent (retriesfor failed chunks for example)
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03:20<us`0gb>Okay, thanks jm_. Hopefully it will finish up at some point then.
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03:22<uye125>test
03:23<jm_>us`0gb: you could also try a different app to finish it
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03:24<us`0gb>jm_: Is it possible to get it to share data between clients so both know the file has finished?
03:25<jm_>us`0gb: you don't want to run both at once, but it should certainly be possible to use the same files with different tools
03:26<jm_>I've done this with bittornado/rtorrent
03:27<us`0gb>Okay, I'll do that then. I suppose the first step will be for me to figure out how Transmission stores the information on the completion status of the torrents so I can transfer it to the new client.
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03:30<jm_>you don't need to do that, and if you do, it might not be trivial - new tool would normally run hash check on the files to see what's missing and then try to download missing chunks
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03:31<jm_>of course doing this on 27G of data would take some time
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03:37<us`0gb>Once the new tool has the data though and finishes the file download, would the old tool check for the previously-missing data before trying to continue downloading?
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03:37<us`0gb>Because I plan to keep the client seeding, this would be important.
03:37<SamB>us`0gb: you might have to trigger a recheck
03:38<us`0gb>Okay, I'll see if the client has that option.
03:39<us`0gb>I see an option that is probably it. Thanks jm_ and SamB!
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03:39<jm_>every torrent client i've ever used has done this (not that I used that many)
03:39<jm_>no problem
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03:48<kardan>How to find out all links to an inode, something like an reverse lookup?
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03:52<jm_>kardan: find -inum ?
03:53<kardan>mh, no. that's not it.
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03:56<jm_>then you asked a wrong question
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04:10<kardan>i have a file and want to know all links to the corresponding inode
04:10<kardan>because srm refuses to delete it because of links but does name them.
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04:14<jm_>how did you use find -inum?
04:14<jm_>and is it talking about hard links?
04:14<kardan>yes
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04:15<kardan>I tried find -inum <number> and find <path> -inum <number> which showed the <path>.
04:16<jm_>and you got the number from where?
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04:22<deux>hello everyone
04:22<deux>i have a question regarding an ARM board HW - is there one that is completely (HW and software) open source?
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04:23<deux>i've been looking at some boards (beaglebone, wandboard) and they all seem to have a closed source GPU
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04:28<planetmaker>deux, I recently read that there was now (when I read it) the first such board which also ships with an open-source GPU. But I don't recall which
04:28<planetmaker>few weeks back that was
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04:30<deux>to be honest, i don't really need the GPU and if it's closed, i just wont use it. the next big question is - as i'm not well versed with ARM boards, can i install a clean debian installation on them and update as i would a normal computer?
04:31<deux>a pure debian installation (not one the is dependent on the company who made the board)
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04:35<planetmaker>hm, this it was: http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Freier-Grafiktreiber-fuer-den-Raspberry-Pi-in-Reichweite-2127970.html
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04:37<planetmaker>https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ArndBergmann/posts/Thq8tWk7WUr
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04:39<groolot>hi
04:40<groolot>can someone guide me to a cool and correct page to achieve the install of debian in dual boot with a windows 7 pro installed on a UEFI system ?
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04:41<kardan>jm_, from ls -i
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04:42<groolot>actually, I'm confused because the Debian-Installer just offers me to install on the whole disk instead of the second partition I've created under Windows 7
04:42<jm_>kardan: that works fine on at least extX fs, maybe the path it's searching in is wrong
04:43<jm_>groolot: you'll probably have to change fs type for the partition
04:43<kardan>Shouldn't bring find -inum <num> bring up all related hard links?
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04:43<Apollo>and install grub-efi
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04:44<SamB>kardan: you might need to pass in a "/" or something?
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04:44<jm_>yes but only if it any files it's looking at have the same inode num - if it doesn't come accross them, then it won't list them, hance my guess is is it's not seeing them so maybe try searching in /
04:44<kardan>jm_, thanks!
04:44<jm_>kardan: no worries
04:46<groolot>Apollo: do I have to install grub-efi during the D-I process ?
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04:50<deux>you're talking about the raspberry PI, but as far as a i understood it, the Raspbien is not considered a "proper" debian
04:50<babilen>groolot: You certainly want to use manual partitioning if you don't want to use any of the "Guided" ones
04:50<babilen>dpkg: raspbian
04:50<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
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04:50<babilen>deux: That is correct ^^^
04:50<deux>yeah, i know raspbien is not debian (i just said that)
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04:51<deux>i'm looking to install pure debian on an ARM board and was wondering whether that was possible with
04:51<babilen>deux: So presumably whoever you were referring to read that message too and can act accordingly now :)
04:51<babilen>deux: I can't answer you that, but asking #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) might yield some insight
04:52<deux>great!
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04:52<deux>thank you
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04:53<babilen>deux: You have to be a bit patient with that channel as it is, presumably, not nearly as active as #debian :)
04:53<deux>that's not a problem :-)
04:53<deux>are you saying i'm impatient?! :-D
04:54<babilen>No, not at all
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04:54<deux>well, thanks for the info again
04:54<deux>have a great day
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05:00<groolot>babilen: ok
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06:54<komp>elo\
06:54<komp>welcome to ZST
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06:55<komp>piątek
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07:22<michael_debian>When I try to install Calibre (http://calibre-ebook.com/download_linux), I get the following error: Unable to establish SSL connection. How can I begin troubleshooting this? Screenshot(http://imgur.com/o2xhoA6)
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07:23<michael_debian>I've installed it prior, then I removed it, and now I have the error. In between I have tried to SSH into my Nexus and played around with Ruby on Rails.
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07:23<jm_>michael_debian: you'll have to ask the author of that script, we can only help with the calibre debian package here
07:24<michael_debian>Ah, is there a more general way to perhaps reset my SSL ... settings? Maybe I changed a file I shouldn't have.
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07:28<jm_>not sure, maybe it's missing some python ssl packages
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07:29<michael_debian>Ah, thank you! I had to use curl -L instead of wget -nv -O- . wget seems to be broken on my system.
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07:29<jm_>ahh so it was an error from wget, not from python?
07:31<michael_debian>Just today in the calibre forums was a post about someone trying to install from Linux, and they had the same problem (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236170)
07:32<michael_debian>The idea for asking the author directly was fantastic, thanks.
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07:37<SynrG>ah
07:37<SynrG>,v wget
07:37<judd>Package: wget on i386 -- squeeze: 1.12-2.1; wheezy: 1.13.4-3+deb7u1; jessie: 1.15-1; sid: 1.15-1
07:38<SynrG>probably:
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07:38<SynrG>wget (1.14-3) experimental; urgency=low
07:38<SynrG> * build with GNUTLS 3.2 (libgnutls28-dev) to fix some https problems.
07:38<SynrG> closes: #707555, #652480
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07:39<SynrG>i.e. jessie version is likely ok
07:39<SynrG>michael_debian: if you care about it, you could ask debian-backports@lists.debian.org for a backport to fix this issue.
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07:41<michael_debian>Ok, I'll send them a message. Thank you.
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07:42<SynrG>jussec. i have that version and will check the command from the forum
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07:43<michael_debian>The forum command curl -L works fine for me. The instructions from the website for the linux install don't work.
07:43<SynrG>michael_debian: yeah, 1.15-1 has no problem with: wget -nv -O- https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/raw/master/setup/linux-installer.py
07:43<michael_debian>So I'll send the message then?
07:43<SynrG>yes, please.
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07:43<michael_debian>Thank you for your time.
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07:44<SynrG>you can cite that forum post and mention i confirmed it for you on wget 1.15-1. mention me by name (see /whois synrg)
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07:46<michael_debian>Will do.
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07:51<SynrG>michael_debian: if you're inspired, you could try:
07:51<SynrG>!ssb
07:51<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
07:51<SynrG>,v libgnutls28
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07:51<judd>Package: libgnutls28 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 3.2.12.1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.2.12.1-2; sid: 3.2.12.1-2
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07:53<SynrG>michael_debian: with that version of libgnutls28 from wheezy-backports, i think wget from jessie should build fine.
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07:53<SynrG>(jessie/sid; it's the same version in both)
07:54<michael_debian>Those are the general instructions for adding a new respository, updating, and then downloading the new "testy" version of wget, right?
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07:54<SynrG>not downloading. building.
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07:55<SynrG>i.e. if it works, it's a proof that a trivial backport of wget is possible. it gives you what you need now, for calibre, and it helps improve chances wget gets an official backport if you actually do the work :)
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07:58<michael_debian>Ah, so if I do it, it sort of logs how many users do it and that influences future decisions? I'm inspired to try, but the last time I tried to add sid, my desktop environment disappeared.
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08:03<jm_>michael_debian: no, nothing like that - it just means it's a really simple case of a backport
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08:04<SynrG>michael_debian: note you are not adding sid ... you are adding the deb-src line for sid. not the same thing at all!
08:05<SynrG>michael_debian: absolutely do not add a "deb" line for sid
08:05<SynrG>deb-src just allows you to fetch the sid sources for backporting
08:05<SynrG>the ssb factoid instructions are quite emphatic on that point :)
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08:07<michael_debian><deb-src sid>
08:07<michael_debian>"ask me about <deb-src sid>"
08:07<michael_debian>What does this mean exactly?
08:08<jm_>type /msg dpkg deb-src sid
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08:11<michael_debian>Thanks a bunch, time to get my hands dirty.
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08:49<munchausun>hello citizen of the world
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08:51<munchausun>Salut will, s'il te plait sait comment utiliser sa webcam ou un truc de ce genre sous linux
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08:51<jm_>!fr
08:51<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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08:58<munchausun>hello, please somebody know how can i use my webcam or any application to it on ubuntustudio
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08:59<Brigo>!ubuntu
08:59<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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09:00<jm_>!ubuntuirc munchausun
09:00<dpkg>munchausun: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
09:00<munchausun>thanks.
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09:09<trico>is anyone else seeing memory leaks on google chrome on debian 7 64 bit? i left it running overnight and these two pages are now using a gig of memory each: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-unix-bsd-nginx-webserver-security.html http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-log-suspicious-martian-packets-un-routable-source-addresses/
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09:39<petn-randall>trico: How are you measuring it?
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09:46<trico>petn-randall: with chromes task manager
09:46<nikomo>Anyone here doing LVM inside LUKS with an SSD? Any in particular I shoukd know, just ordered an SSD and I recall some talk of TRIM and FDE being a bit special
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09:46<nikomo>Anything*
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09:48<trico>nikomo: trim on SSD+FDE can potentially reveal what filesystem you are using and how much space is used
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09:49<nikomo>Is that pretty much it? That's not exactly critical in my case, I don't mind that
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09:49<nikomo>I was thinking I'd disable TRIM but if that's all, meh, might as well have it
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09:50<trico>http://asalor.blogspot.fr/2011/08/trim-dm-crypt-problems.html
09:50<nikomo>Thanks
09:50<trico>Very important is that TRIM decreases ability to recover data after an admin error.
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09:53<xormor>I succesfully upgraded today from the command line. I had turned off the graphical Update Manager yesterday evening. It upgraded my xulrunner, iceweasel, libmozjs and something else from my iceweasel.
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09:54<petn-randall>Well, but TRIM is necessary to not loose tremendous amounts of write speed.
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09:57<nikomo>Yeah, I'm going to run TRIM. Now I just need to figure out how I'm going to get my install onto the SSD
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09:58<nikomo>I have a /boot, then LUKS with LVM inside it, with a btrfs / and a swap volume, I'm thinking I'll do a fresh install, boot to a livecd and just crudely smash every file from old drive to new, except for fstab and /boot
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10:01<nikomo>I think I'll carry out the rest of this conversation inside my brain instead of echoing it into IRC
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10:03<Brigo>i still have not see a question, nikomo
10:04<nikomo>Brigo: Here's one - would there be any complications if I just smash files from an old drive to a new one, if I leave /boot and fstab intact so the UUIDs from the new install remain same etc.
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10:05<Brigo>nikomo, i think it will be better reinstall wheezy, saving the /home and /etc dir like backup and reinstall the package
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10:07<Brigo>dpkg aptitude clone
10:07<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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10:17<Tr0n>I am doing a experimental install on an external hard drive of linux with xen hypervisor dose any know of good sites to research this on
10:18<Tr0n>I went to the xen home page and debian wiki but something's are hit or miss there with the two
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10:21<Tr0n>Or if anyone in here has experience with xen any tips you may have would be of a big help
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10:26<trico>If youre trying to learn xen, you might want to try the free version of citrix xen server. at the least you can get some hints from its config files
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10:28<rfree>hi, where can I find all of debian's data as DVD?
10:28<Guest3927>When I upgrade my debian to Sid from Jessie ,it can't find the root partition and boot into busybox.My root partition is in lvm.Is it a bug?
10:28<rfree>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ this lists just 3 DVDs. Are there DVDs with all of the software? are there any that would also include debian sources (for apt-get source)?
10:28<devil_>Guest3927: it is
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10:29<devil_> bug #741342
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10:29<rfree>Guest3927: you can often easily fix such bug by manualy opening (raid and luks if you use them) and then vgchange -a y to start LVM or similar. but read also the bug info
10:29<Guest3927>Thank you!
10:29<devil_>Guest3927: and with sid you should be asdking in #debian-next :)
10:30<SynrG>rfree: it says 'amd64' so naturally that's not including sources
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10:30<rfree>Guest3927: I had such issue (inf queeze->wheezy) and fixed it permantently after booting, by adding script hook to /etc/..initrd.. as described on internet
10:30<SynrG>rfree: you can fit it all onto one dual-layer bluray :)
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10:31<SynrG>navigate up one dir and down to the jigdo-dlbd
10:31<rfree>SynrG: ok. And do the 3 DVDs include all of debian applicatation/packages (besides sources for them)?
10:31<SynrG>rfree: again, you can navigate up ... down again to list-*
10:31<rfree>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/bt-dvd/MD5SUMS well this lists 10 DVDs
10:31<SynrG>this will tell you conclusively what's on there.
10:32<rfree>ok I see.
10:32<rfree>oki the jigdo provides all DVDs... though I thouht torrents are better
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10:33<SynrG>rfree: yeah, seems they're only torrenting the popular subset
10:33<rfree>is there any reason for not providing BT for remaining DVDs, or just lack of manpower? Perhaps I could volunteer to provide them if that is a simple task
10:33<SynrG>you can talk to #debian-cd about this
10:33<rfree>oki
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10:40<Liquid>I have a really easy question. I have heard of people talk about being able to download things via the linux terminal, how?
10:40<ru>hello all, I am using debian and I've just figured out how to get my DisplayLink USB-to-DVI adapter to work with XRandR – as there is lack of documentation online I thought I could create a wiki page
10:41<petemc>Liquid: wget and curl are useful, there are many other ways
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10:41<ru>the problem is that I'm not completely clear about the requirements for getting the adapter to work. should I write on the mailinglist first to find out what the exact requirements are?
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10:42<Liquid>Petemc man wget have all the info I would need, and are they limits to what you can download with it
10:42<petemc>it does http(s) and ftp
10:43<Liquid>Just for example I find the idea useful for like downloading debian ISO image
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10:43<SynrG>the tools don't care what file types you are downloading ...
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10:43<SynrG>they just download via the specified protocol.
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10:46<Liquid>Synrg thank you. Does it verify the sha's or would you have to do that another way after download with sha1sum <file here>
10:46<ru>I guess wget doesn't check sha as it has no value to verify
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10:47<Liquid>I am just kinda new to linux and learning about all these things
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10:49<Liquid>Thanks a lot all have a good day
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11:31<Ashley>I have a external hard drive that I save some pretty large files to such as the debian ISO images for my linux installs for example. But if I save a file over X amount in size it is to large to save
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11:32<Ashley>If I use ext2 3 4 I have trouble retrieving those file if I am on another linux system is there a way to set up ext2 3 or 4 and be able to allow any system or use to access it, if so how?
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11:35<TobiX>Ashley: ext3/3/4 work on any modern Linux system - are you maybe having trouble with file permissions?
11:35<ozbrk>hi guys I am the new user of debian
11:36<Ashley>Tobix yes it only allows root to access
11:37<Ashley>And that can be a bit I a problem due to me only using linux on all my computers with my laptop and desktop
11:37<Ashley>Can be a bit of a problem you know
11:37<ozbrk>I need a bit help with installing my graphich driver ok here is the storry I downloaded this http://support.amd.com/en-us/download driver and run with root privilige. Installation part was succesful untill it says there is a missing module in my system
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11:38<Ashley>Tobix if I say save something with my linux desktop to it, it will be trouble some for me to get it back on my linux laptop
11:38<ozbrk>and it also says there is a log file which I have no idea what does it say
11:38<TobiX>Ashley: You could either make sure that the UIDs between the systems are the same or set up the permissions on that hard disc so that everbody can read and write everything...
11:39<ozbrk>here is the pastebin
11:39<ozbrk>http://paste.ubuntu.com/7125814/
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11:40<Ashley>Tobix setting it up so that everyone may read and write to it would be more than great for me I have it set up like that, I just don't know how sorry
11:40<TobiX>dpkg: tell ozbrk about ati
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11:40<ozbrk>TobbiX: it doesn't say anything
11:40<Ashley>I mean I would love to have it setup like that
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11:42<Ashley>Tobix do you know of a wiki or any place I can read up on how to do it?
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11:43<ozbrk>ok
11:43<ozbrk>I got it
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11:44<ozbrk>dpkg is make me annoying
11:44<dpkg>ozbrk: i haven't a clue
11:45<ozbrk>oh you can't be serious
11:45<ozbrk>really
11:45<ozbrk>:D
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11:47<TobiX>dpkg: ati
11:47<dpkg>Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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11:52<TobiX>ozbrk: In short: We don't support the driver here if it was installed by the installer from amd.com
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11:59<pgb>Hi guys.
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12:00<sebjames>\nick sebjames
12:00<pgb>I install debian unstable in my computer using a ati 777o an I try install a flgrx drivers, but now my screen is black with a cursor flashlight in lest corner.
12:00<pgb><pgb> plz, How I can fix this?
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12:01<crunchbang>exit
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12:05<musca>pgb: maybe, please /join #debian-next
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12:07<pgb>musca, ohhh...sorry
12:07<pgb>I going in! ;)
12:08<pgb>musca, heare a stable version...I no atention...
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12:23<stevenm_>hey you know how having backports in your sources.list isn't any harm since you can only get something from it by explicitly stating it anyway...
12:24<stevenm_>is the same true for proposed updates - or would they sneak in if you did an upgrade / dist-upgrade ?
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12:27<zykotick9>stevenm_: "i don't know", but if you've already added that repo "apt-cache policy" should show the various pinnings
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12:28<nikomo>I have testing, sid, security, testing-updates and jessie-backports in my sources and my laptop hasn't exploded yet
12:29<nikomo>I should remove like half the sources since they never actually get used, I do see a few packages getting updated from testing sometimes though
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12:30<apachepost>is that as bad as frankendebian? I like it when somebody siks dbot on them :)
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12:32<zykotick9>apachepost: that's the definition of frankendebian... testing & sid...
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13:32<eric_>test test
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13:33<wompa>tests failed
13:34<eric_>nice thx
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13:34<test1>hello debian! so are there really no floss drivers for intel wireless cards?
13:34<eric_>bb
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13:36<test1>I wanted to make a fully free install on my old laptop, but the installer said i need iwlwifi (non-free) for the wi-fi to work
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13:38<test1>by the way, are any of you guys familiar with the tp-link mr3020 portable wifi router?
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13:40<sney>test1: the iwlwifi driver does need non-free firmware from userspace. drivers that don't require firmware include ath5k, ath9k, and a couple others that I'm forgetting
13:41<test1>by userspace, you mean the non-free/contrib repos? by ath5k, you mean any ath5xxx driver?
13:42<sney>by userspace, I mean it loads them from your filesystem rather than from the kernel or some flash on the nic itself
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13:43<sney>ath5k is the actual name of the driver, but yes, it supports most of the AR5xxx wifi nics from atheros
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13:45<test1>sney: I see. From what I understand, all of the current Linux kernels released by Debians no longer contained any proprietary blobs and that these have been moved to the non-free/unofficial repos.
13:45<sney>yes
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13:47<test1>Upon searching the debian website and elsewhere on the web, the last announcement made for this was for the Squeeze release and some position statement, but that one was made back in 2006. so you can confirm that this is still the case?
13:47<sney>right, it's stayed that way
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13:48<test1>ok, thanks sney
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14:16<stifler>hello
14:17<stifler>any python programmer here?
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14:18<dondelelcaro>stifler: try #python if you have python questions
14:18<stifler>thanks
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14:38<hmamouchi>hi
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14:38<piqu>hey :)
14:40<hmamouchi>PLease help me !I want to upgrade systems
14:40<hmamouchi>؟
14:40<hmamouchi>Debian testing
14:40<sney>!ask
14:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:40<sney>debian testing support goes to #debian-next, but please ask detailed questions when you get there
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15:08<rryoumaa>are logs rotated by size instead of time? i was surprised to notice that syslog was rotated when messages was not.
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15:10<centrx>rryoumaa, Can be both, not sure what the default is
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15:10<ncl>rryoumaa: rsyslog can be set up for either/both
15:10<rryoumaa>thanks. is it the default to be size? i presume so because i didn't change anything.
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15:13<ncl>err, by rsyslog I mean logrotate, and I changed mine so I don't know the default either, you can check out the config files in /etc/logrotate.d/
15:13<centrx>default looks like time
15:13<rryoumaa>hmm, then i wonder why it got rotated
15:14<centrx>Different packages can change the parameters in /etc/logrotate.d
15:14<rryoumaa>if it's rsyslog it says daily
15:14<rryoumaa>(just vanilla wheezy)
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15:56<Chatter>Hello all I was wondering if anyone in here has ever had any experience or encounters with debian live builder?
15:56<sney>!anyone
15:56<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
15:57<wheezyzy>With wheezy I am having a problem which I didn't experience with Squeeze. When I send a job to my printer HP Laserjet, as long as the printer doesn't finish the job, my CPU usage goes to the roof. With Squeeze, CPU usage climbed while it was sending the job but, once sent, no matter how long the printer took to print, CPU usage went back to normal. Now, with Wheezy, I can send a job to the printer and, if the printer takes hours (for
15:57<sney>though for live builder you should probably ask in #debian-live
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15:58<sney>wheezyzy: try a different driver in cups, I had some issues on a print server after the same squeeze->wheezy upgrade and a different driver fixed it.
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15:59<Chatter>Sney what I was wanting to do, just not aware of what all debian has for this in the repository but I was wanting to try and make my own custom debian ISO so I can make my own person debian desktop os
15:59<wheezyzy>sney: but it's not like there's much choice, there's only one valid PPD driver for my printer as far as I know
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16:00<Chatter>Sney also this image will not be used as a live cd it will e my primary operating system on my hard drive
16:00<sney>wheezyzy: laserjets are usually overflowing with options
16:00<sney>Chatter: then what you wan't isn't live-builder, you're making a blend
16:00<sney>!tell Chatter about blends
16:01<wheezyzy>sney: what do you mean, that I should use a different Laserjet driver and not specifically my model's ?
16:01<Chatter>Sney thank you. I just don't know what all is out there. I just think that doing this would make for a fun project.
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16:02<sney>wheezyzy: usually cups will have a few choices for you, at least hpcups/hpijs/foomatic
16:02<sney>you may need to install the former two to have them as options for your printer
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16:03<wheezyzy>sney: sorry, but I don't understand very well what you mean by that
16:03<Chatter>Sorry exited by mistake
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16:04<sney>wheezyzy: when you go into your cups interface and select 'modify printer', the 3rd screen lets you choose the driver. have you looked at this screen since updating from squeeze?
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16:05<wheezyzy>sney: I don't think I have ever used that, I use /usr/bin/system-config-printer
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16:08<sney>ok, apparently that's a cups frontend as well so it should still give you a list of the driver options
16:08<sney>do you have hpijs or hpcups installed?
16:09<wheezyzy>sney: I don't think so
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16:11<sney>well, install one or both and then try the driver it provides
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16:11<Hundred>what apps are included in the debian-lxde iso?
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16:12<sney>Hundred: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents
16:12<wheezyzy>sney: will it override the driver I have currently installed?
16:12<sney>wheezyzy: it will add more options that you can pick from.
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16:12<rfree>there were problems in debian installer when using not standard LUKS crypto. anyone remembers if this was resolved in 7.0.4?
16:12<wheezyzy>sney: by the way, I just installed but it says "prnt/hpijs/hpijs.cpp 613: unable to init hpijs server
16:13<sney>that may just be a warning
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16:32<Liquid>Sney would you happen to know of some virtualization software for debian wheezy that is friendly for beginners other than virtualbox, that allows the use of external usb wifi adapters?
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16:33<Liquid>Sney been trying with xen just not havering much luck with it.
16:33<sney>uh, I don't know why you're asking me in particular, but there's "boxes" which manages qemu images
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16:35<Liquid>Sney I asked you due to you helping me before in the past, and you have always worded thing in a way I understand better. I had a head injury and have trouble with understanding things at times
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16:43<mm>Is there a way to safely delete old log files ?
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16:47<Hundred>mm maybe bleachbit
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16:48<Ganneff>mm: shred -u $file
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16:49<mm>Hundred I have tried bleach bit and it does delete them, but the down side to bleachbit is that I have had some problems with it the past with distorting my OS.
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16:53<mm>And also my last question is. I use tripwire on my system. And when I try and update it "sudo tripwire -m u" I get a error message about file not being there, so when updating to you have to do it from certain directory?
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16:53<calisto1>Hi, any install debian on a tablet, know any tutorial?
16:54<mm>Calistol what type of tablet?
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16:57<calisto1>mm not specific
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16:57<calisto1>I want to buy a tablet
16:58<calisto1>and I buy the most compatible with debian
16:58<calisto1>but I dont have experience on tablets
16:59<ectospasm>I'm getting issued an iPad mini
16:59<ectospasm>I'm becoming Apple-fied
16:59*ectospasm screams in horror
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17:06<Lemonade1947>anyone here?
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17:06*ompaul waits on 679 nos
17:07<Lemonade1947>i'd appreciate someone looked at this issue
17:07<sney>!anyone
17:07<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
17:07<Lemonade1947>http://pastebin.com/uhnKN65A
17:09<babilen>dpkg: ubuntuirc Lemonade1947
17:09<dpkg>Lemonade1947: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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17:10<ompaul>your hardware is suspect - it gets hot and your usb path way dies - if it is a laptop ... then I suggest using an external mouse and seeing how you get on
17:10<babilen>Ah, you did install Debian .... nvm
17:10<ompaul>babilen: it's not a ubuntu problem It is hardware ;-) ime
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17:12<sney>at any rate, trying a different mouse would be the next troubleshooting step
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17:15<Lemonade1947>ok thanks all
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17:35<pajaro>when reportbug fails sending it says. do you want to retry (or else save the report and exit)? [yes/no]
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17:35<pajaro>when you press yes it retries... but if you press no... where does it save the bug report?
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17:35<pajaro>I just created a long one and im afraid it might be lost...
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17:36<pajaro>i cant find it anywhere theres no .reportbug folder or anything
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17:40<boodie>hi
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17:42<boodie>I'm a bit in trouble (stable): after updating the kernel image (+ iceweasel) with aptitude, I rebooted and X doesn't work ... left with the console
17:43<cynfor>I am mounting an internal ext4 partition using udisks. Would doing it using mount or fstab have any advantages over udisks (mounted using fuse )?
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17:44<pajaro>boodie, do you what desktop manager are you using? kdm? lightdm? gdm3?
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17:44<boodie>gdm3
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17:45<pajaro>boodie, try as root # service gdm3 status
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17:45<sney>what kernel upgrade was that? and do you use any proprietary video drivers?
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17:46<boodie>[ ok ] gdm3 is running.
17:46<boodie>nvidia
17:46<pajaro>does ctrl + alt + f7 work?
17:46<sney>you probably need to rebuild the nvidia module, did you get the linux-headers package for your new kernel?
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17:47<pajaro>yeah, it is probably that sney
17:47<boodie>ctrl + alt + f7 = black screen
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17:47<pajaro>do you use nvidia? how did you installed it?
17:48<sney>oh I bet he used the nvidia.com installer, that one doesn't auto-rebuild with kernel upgrades
17:48<boodie>Uh, I don't remember, it always gave me trouble, but I loaded it from the standard repositories
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17:49<boodie>I seem to remember that there is a non-free package that connects to nvidia
17:49<sney>the nvidia-kernel-dkms package? should be ok then. install the linux-headers package for your new kernel, then if it doesn't automatically build the module, do 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms'. then reboot.
17:49<pajaro>i usually install nvidia drivers installing nvidia-kernel-dkms... it pull every dependencie... and rebuilds upon reinstalls
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17:49<boodie>nvidia-kernel-dkms?
17:50<sney>right.
17:50<boodie>let me see
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17:51<boodie> nvidia-kernel-dkms?
17:51<boodie>the package is there ... how do I load the kernel headers?
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17:54<boodie>The package was installed ... how comes the updates didn't include the kernel headers?
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17:56<mahollowspe>hello, I am trying to gain directory write priv in debian. what would the command be?
17:56<centrx>mahollowspe, For which users, the owner, the group or all/other ?
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17:57<mahollowspe>all
17:57<mahollowspe>thanks BTW
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18:00<sney>boodie: there is a linux-headers metapackage that will keep them updated along with kernel upgrades, but it's not always installed. it's up to the user to know that
18:00<avalon>mahollowspe: chmod 777 <directory>
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18:02<mahollowspe>when I typed: chmod 777 /ect/apache2
18:02<sney>don't, don't, don't do that
18:02<mahollowspe>it says directory does not exist?
18:02<mahollowspe>which it does lol
18:02<sney>don't just chmod 777 random things in /etc unless you really enjoy security holes
18:02<avalon>you typed it wrong. but yes, don't do that
18:03<mahollowspe>I'm the only one with access to my VPS
18:03<sney>go read 'man chmod' and this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modes_(Unix)
18:03<boodie>Ok, sorry to be a nuisance, but I'm stuck ... the package nvidia-kernel-dkms was there, including a package called "nvidia-kernel-common".
18:03<sney>mahollowspe: you and the rest of the internet, if you're running a web server
18:03<mahollowspe>so I am not concerned. what did I do wrong?
18:03<avalon>then why do you need to o+rw it?
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18:04<sney>mahollowspe: setting things in /etc/ to be world writable means that your web server processes could edit it too... so if someone exploited a vulnerability in some php software you were using... I think you may see where I'm going with this
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18:04<avalon>mahollowspe: if you did exactly as you pasted, you wrote /ect instead of /etc
18:04<boodie>Should I reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms?
18:04<sney>boodie: dpkg-reconfigure will cause it to re-run its build
18:04<sney>so dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms
18:05<mahollowspe>tahnks
18:05<mahollowspe>got it
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18:07<boodie>Ok, thanks, I'll reboot now (see what happens) ...
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18:08<mahollowspe>ok scratch that got the same problem. so when I type chmod ug+rw /ect/apache2 it still says directory does not exist. did I type it wrong?
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18:08<sney>it's etc, not ect
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18:08<sney>and I still don't see why you want to change that permission. it's really not a good idea
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18:11<mahollowspe>ok so I was having trouble starting apache in debian I get 'apache2(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80
18:11<mahollowspe>(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80
18:11<mahollowspe>no listening sockets available, shutting down
18:11<mahollowspe>Unable to open logs
18:11<mahollowspe>Action 'start' failed.
18:11<mahollowspe>The Apache error log may have more information.
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18:12<sney>"The Apache error log may have more information."
18:12<sney>have you looked at it
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18:12<boodie>Hi, I'm back. Done "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms" and rebooted, but X still not working
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18:13<boodie>I suspect that the kernel headers are not in place ...
18:14<sney>okay, so install them
18:14<musca>so did "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms" give errors?
18:14<sney>e.g. if you are on amd64, 'apt-get install linux-headers-amd64'
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18:15<boodie>Ok
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18:16<mahollowspe>their are no log file in var/log/apache2
18:16<boodie>it says that linux-headers-amd64 are already in the latest version ...
18:16<Mark92>ciao ragazzi, mi sapreste dire come mai in emule per ubuntu non riesco a connettermi alla chat'
18:16<Mark92>?
18:17<mahollowspe>actully when I try to access var/log/apache2 I get access denied lol
18:17<mahollowspe>wtf
18:17<boodie>Mark92: questo canale e' in inglese e per di piu' per debian
18:18<Mark92>sorry :(
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18:19<sney>boodie: ok, what happened when you ran the dpkg-reconfigure command then? do you have an error log? can you put it on http://paste.debian.net/ ?
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18:20<boodie>No, it ended up saying that the dpkg-reconfigure was successful. Which log would it be?
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18:22<sney>install 'pastebinit' then run 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms | pastebinit' and show us the link it gives you
18:22<boodie>It was a bit laborious, it first uninstalled and then reinstalled the files, but the last sentence said thet the process ended successfully
18:22<boodie>ok
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18:25<boodie>http://paste.debian.net/88788/
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18:27<sney>hmm, that looks fine. do you have the xorg.conf snippet telling X to use the nvidia driver?
18:27<boodie>don't I need to delete or rename a hidden file generated by X?
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18:28<sney>no?
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18:28<sney>I've never had to do that in all my years having nvidia gpus
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18:30<boodie>http://pastie.org/8954778
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18:37<boodie>Ok, unfortunately the situation hasn't improved ... any ideas?
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18:39<centrx>Why do you need an xorg.conf nowadays?
18:40<boodie>No idea. All I know that aptitude had updates pending , most of which to do with iceweasel + the diabolical kernel image. After the update, X ceased to work.
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18:41<musca>boodie: which nvidia card do you use?
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18:42<pajaro>does lsmod|grep nv return something boodie ?
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18:44<boodie>sata_nv 30671 6
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18:44<boodie>libata 172910 3 sata_nv,pata_amd,ata_generic
18:44<pajaro>okay, lets do it in order
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18:45<musca>boodie: lspci -nn | grep -i vga
18:45<boodie>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] [10de:06e4] (rev a1)
18:45<pajaro>dpkg -l |grep nvidia and service gdm3 stop && startx pastes please
18:45<dpkg>No packages found matching |grep nvidia and service gdm3 stop && startx pastes please
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18:49<boodie>sorry, how do I paste the output of "dpkg -l |grep nvidia "?
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18:49<skimbi>Hey! Anyone her with a gentoo knowhow?
18:49<pajaro>apt-get install pastebinit boodie
18:49<boodie>I have it
18:49<pajaro> dpkg -l |grep nvidia |pastebinit
18:49<dpkg>ii |grep nvidia |pastebinit 1.5-15 pajaro's private stamp collection
18:49<boodie>http://paste.debian.net/88791/
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18:51<boodie>[ ok ] Stopping GNOME Display Manager: gdm3.
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18:53<pajaro>boodie, try now to run startx
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18:53<boodie>did it: Fatal server error:
18:53<boodie>no screens found
18:53<pajaro>apt-get purge *nvidia*
18:54<sney>maybe the G98 needs nvidia-legacy now?
18:54<boodie>I suspect it
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18:54<sney>no need to purge anything then,
18:55<pajaro>okay, the purge is maybe just my some habit of mine after dealing with nvidia drivers :>
18:55<pajaro>a purge and reinstall of nvidia-kernel-dkms
18:55<boodie>The usual hardware nightmare
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18:56<pajaro>it fixed my problems in the past a few times
18:56<sney>this is why non-free is bad, kids
18:56<boodie>fantastic, but is there a "free" driver for nvidia?
18:56<pajaro>+1... but i do use it so... :$
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18:57<sney>nouveau, but it doesn't do 3d
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18:58<boodie>Is ATI a better option?
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18:58<pajaro>hell no
18:58<sney>barely
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18:59<sney>fglrx is roughly the same amount of hassle as nvidia, but radeon does 3d where nouveau doesn't
18:59<boodie>So, basically we are doomed
18:59<sney>doomed until valve or somebody pressures both companies into doing something saner with their linux drivers
18:59<boodie>Or is there a card that works?
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19:00<pajaro>ive had trouble with ati cards in the past in about 75% of computers ive encountered it
19:00<pajaro>and i talk about weird issues hard to troubleshoot
19:00<sney>yeah, though boodie's situation falls under that heading as well
19:00<pajaro>with nvidia aside from the installation process, everything is pretty smooth
19:01<pajaro>im talking about weird lines on the screen, random blackouts, noise in the screen
19:01<pajaro>in different setups
19:01<boodie>If they released a card specification, they would have the linux market ...
19:01<foreverska>nvidia non-free works alright. SLI could be better though.
19:01<pajaro>my legs shake when im dealing with atis in linux
19:02<sney>boodie: try nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
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19:02<sney>foreverska: when it works, it works. when it's a pain, it's a pain. and the closed/out-of-tree nature makes it a nuisance to troubleshoot.
19:02<boodie>I'm glad to hear that nvidia non-free works alright. Maybe for somebody else
19:03<pajaro>nvidia-legacy-304 doesnt list his card
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19:03<sney>yeah it doesn't but it's still worth a shot
19:03<foreverska>Well there is hope in their support atleast
19:03<boodie>It worked fine unti a couple of hours ago
19:03<pajaro>i had the 8400 gs... is the low entry card from nvidia... still upgraded and on sale from nvidia
19:03<sney>boodie: it worked until you upgraded right?
19:03<boodie>Indeed
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19:04<pajaro>boodie, try the purge and reinstall of nvidia-kernel-dkms
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19:04<pajaro>i dont know if it responds to logic... but it responds to my experience
19:04<sney>boodie: yeah. the 304xx legacy driver is 304.117, and the nvidia driver in wheezy is 304.88. they are pretty close so the former should support your card
19:05<boodie>just the nvidia-kernel-dkms package?
19:05<sney>and if the legacy driver doesn't work then you can try pajaro's hacky reinstall solution
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19:05<pajaro>yes boodie, it pulls all dependencies
19:05<pajaro>sney, said before it doesnt pull kernel-headers... i dont remember to install them manually... but maybe i did at some point
19:06<sney>he's got the kernel headers now though, we checked that
19:06<boodie>apt-get purge nvidia-kernel-dkms ?
19:06<pajaro>i have linux-headers-amd64 marked auto
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19:07<pajaro>purge *nvidia*
19:07<boodie>linux-headers-amd64 are up to date
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19:07<pajaro>after that purge some apt-get autoremove --purge (if you dont mind losing configuration of those auto pakcages left)
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19:07<pajaro>which you shouldnt
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19:09<boodie>it didn't accept the expression *nvidia*
19:09<pajaro>'*nvidia*' ?
19:10<boodie>su -c "apt-get purge '*nvidia*'"
19:10<sney>aptitude takes more kindly to wildcards etc than apt-get does
19:10<boodie>it says that the regular expression *nvidia* is incorrect
19:10<sney>aptitude purge ~invidia will remove all installed packages with nvidia in the name
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19:10<sney>I still think the problem is the driver version though
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19:11<pajaro>sney, it pretty much could be
19:11<boodie>so, how do I install the legacy driver?
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19:11<pajaro>boodie, have you ever used before drviers from backports?
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19:12<pajaro>try first to install from wheezy... or wheezy-backports... your call
19:12<boodie>no idea
19:12<pajaro>you had drivers from backports
19:12<boodie>ok
19:12<pajaro>try just installing from wheezy
19:12<boodie>how?
19:12<pajaro>that is going to work almost for sure
19:13<pajaro>apt-get install package
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19:13<musca>boodie: and which kernel are you using? uname -a
19:13<pajaro>you are using backports and you dont know you are using it?
19:13<boodie>Linux vladi 3.13-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.13.5-1~bpo70+1 (2014-03-15) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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19:14<boodie>I have backports in the repositories
19:14<musca>i remember support for 3.13 was missing in latest nvidia drivers?
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19:14<sney>boodie: I gave you the package name a few lines ago, just install that and the rest will be automatic. nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
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19:16<pajaro>i would agree with sney usually in this topic... but just purging and reinstalling has worked for me several times before in drivers borked updates to think otherwise :)
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19:17<pajaro>i only use stable on servers... but i dont usually pull everything available in backports
19:17<pajaro>just the packages i use... and that is the oficial recomendation i think
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19:20<sney>yeah "upgrading" entirely to backports is not a supported configuration
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19:20<sney>they haven't all been tested together so there's a lot of breakage that can happen
19:20<sney>when you add backports to a stable system it's deliberately pinned lower so that doesn't happen automatically
19:21<rfree>which of the programs is now best to simply record an .iso e.g. of debian installer (from debian)?
19:21<sney>rfree: sorry, to do what exactly?
19:21<pajaro>i wondered... because boodie had all the packages he showed until now in backport version... and he didnt seem to understand he was pooling from backports
19:21<boodie>Installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
19:21<pajaro>pulling*
19:21<boodie>startx still doesn't work
19:21<rfree>sney: record a dvd from an image.iso file
19:21<sney>rfree: wodim
19:21<rfree>there is some cdrdao now
19:21<pajaro>boodie, same error?
19:22<boodie>yes
19:22<sney>boodie: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy"
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19:22<boodie>more errors while installing, though
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19:23<boodie>http://paste.debian.net/88798/
19:23<rfree>kbs: the problem detailed on the linked page applies to all symmetric afaik
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19:24<boodie>purge?
19:24<boodie>all nvidias?
19:24<sney>cool, I suddenly can't reach paste.debian.net. can you put that on another paste site please boodie?
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19:25<boodie>http://pastie.org/8954974
19:26<sney>huh. yeah, go ahead with purging everything nvidia
19:26<boodie>how?
19:27<sney>aptitude purge ~invidia
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19:28<pajaro>i usually run apt-get autoremove --purge afterwards... just to remove all borked configurations that could remind... im maybe too cautious
19:29<mancha>babilen: ping
19:29<boodie>it says that 2 packages are defective :
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19:30<boodie>even after apt-get autoremove --purge
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19:31<pajaro>can you paste output of that
19:31<pajaro>?
19:31<boodie>xserver-xorg-video-nvidia and xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx
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19:33<pajaro>dpkg --audit ?
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19:33<dpkg>pajaro: are you smoking crack?
19:33<centrx>lol
19:33<pajaro>dpkg -r dpkg ?
19:33*dpkg removes dpkg along with a pound of flesh from pajaro's body, then staples pajaro back up with a staple gun.
19:34<boodie>http://pastie.org/8954987
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19:35<pajaro>apt-get install -f and paste output
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19:35<pajaro>the dpkg -r was a joke... even tho i dont think it works
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19:37<boodie>apt is locked
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19:38<boodie>I'll try to restart ... it's getting desperate
19:38<pajaro>wait
19:39<pajaro>what does it mean is locked?
19:39<pajaro>it does not show in your apt-paste
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19:40<boodie>that when I gave "dpkg --audit | nopaste" it froze, and now apt is lockedI did Ctrl-C,
19:40<pajaro>just rm the lock
19:41<boodie>yeah, I'll try, is it in /var somewhere, right?
19:41<pajaro>it shows if you try to run apt
19:41<boodie>indeed
19:42<pajaro>apt-get install -f
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19:46<boodie>http://pastie.org/8955006
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19:48<boodie>now it says that it can't lock the package ...
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19:49<pajaro>no errors :(
19:49<boodie>I'm starting to be really worried
19:49<pajaro>can you set export LANG=C
19:49<boodie>how?
19:49<pajaro>just export LANG=C it should print messages in english in that console :)
19:50<boodie>as root?
19:50<pajaro>just in the console you are running commands
19:50<boodie>ok, done
19:50<pajaro>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx
19:51<pajaro>dpkg --audit shoulnt freeze... not sure how long it takes when is borked
19:51<dpkg>pajaro: what are you talking about?
19:51<pajaro>you sure it wasnt doing something?
19:53<boodie>http://pastie.org/8955013
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19:53<pajaro>apt-get install -f again
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19:54<boodie>It hasn't switched to english, and it says that tyhere are 2 defective packages locked
19:56<boodie>Sorry, I didn't get how to export LANG=C, anyways no progress
19:56<boodie>apt-get install -f doesn't work
19:56<pajaro>yeah.. i havent tested the LANG=C before... not sure how to do it... i use it english.. it should work in theory tho...
19:56<boodie>Anyway the 2 bastards are locked
19:57<sney>!localized errors
19:57<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
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19:58<pajaro># export LC_ALL=C should work for the whole session
19:58<boodie>E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
19:58<boodie>E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
19:58<boodie>http://pastie.org/8955025
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19:59<boodie>crap crap craaaap
19:59<pajaro>dpkg --configure -a
19:59<dpkg>i don't know, pajaro
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20:00<pajaro>boodie, dont desperate... ive fixed these without reinstalling a few times already ;)
20:00<boodie>ok
20:00<boodie>it is spring, by the way (midnight here)
20:01<boodie>dpkg --configure -a
20:01<dpkg>wish i knew, boodie
20:01<boodie>went down ok ...
20:01<pajaro>okay... does it still says there are packages half configured?
20:02<boodie>with apt-get install -f?
20:02<pajaro>mmm yeah
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20:03<pajaro>actually... paste me the whole dpkg -l please (if you dont mind sharing the list of packages installed)
20:03<boodie>yes
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20:04<boodie>nopaste says "Entity too large"
20:04<JZTech101>hi, anyone know how I would get gradle 1.11 on debian?
20:05<pajaro>boodie, text is large... use another paste service
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20:06<boodie>Which one?
20:06<pajaro>paste.debian.org doesnt work?
20:06<boodie>remember I don't have X
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20:06<pajaro>pastebinit allows a lot of paste services
20:07<pajaro>default is paste.debian.org, but you can chose others
20:07<pajaro>paste.debian.net*
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20:08<boodie>http://paste.debian.net/
20:09<boodie>My pastebinit points at http://paste.debian.net/
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20:10<pajaro>if thats the one saying is too large, try another... but i cant believe the list is THAT large
20:10<boodie>the command su -c "dpkg -l | pastebinit" produced http://paste.debian.net/ ... it doesn't seem a useful URL
20:10<pajaro>dpkg -l alone outputs text, right?
20:10<dpkg>ii alone outputs text, right 3.5-12 pajaro's private gamp collection
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20:11<boodie>I'll restart, see if apt gets unlocked
20:11<pajaro>okay...
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20:13<rfree>are there debian drivers for fufme device?
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20:14<pajaro>rfree, is easier to search for fufme device irc-channel and ask for debian drivers than to find here somebody that uses a fufme device
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20:14<saiyan>hi
20:14<saiyan>whats the best server-side web development language to learn?
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20:15<rfree>saiyan: not php
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20:16<pajaro>id say perl... most would say python... younsters will say js
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20:18<phillip>Hi
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20:20<boodie>OK, I'm back ...
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20:20<boodie>situation bad as before
20:21<pajaro>yeah...
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20:21<pajaro>try removing individually those 2 packages
20:21<pajaro>maybe we are lucky enough and get rid of one
20:21<boodie>it seems impossible
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20:21<boodie>with aptitude at least
20:21<pajaro>i would like to see some error...
20:22<pajaro>force it to speak some error about the problem
20:22<boodie>how?
20:22<pajaro>apt-get install -f doesnt say anything
20:22<pajaro>dkg --configure -a didnt say anything either?
20:22<pajaro>dpkg --audit says something now?
20:22<dpkg>pajaro: no idea
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20:23<boodie>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) ... it said it in italian ... the error code is 128
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20:24<pajaro>and before that?
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20:25<boodie>it also says that the packages can be removed with dselect or dpkg --remove
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20:26<pajaro>becareful... if you are not going in the right way... youll bury yourlsef on the mod more and more with each wrong step
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20:27<pajaro>meaning... i would probably try the dpkg --remove thingy
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20:29<pajaro>put the console in english and paste the dpkg --audit dpkg --configure -a etc... if theres some output
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20:31<boodie>dpkg --remove failed
20:31*dpkg rips the still-beating failed from boodie's chest, leaving boodie in a coma.
20:31<cae>how can I force a specific resolution on the virtual terminal (aka. tty1 etc.)? I found a bunch of magic vga= parameters, but not for the exact resolution of my monitor
20:32<boodie>again, how do I set the console in english?
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20:32<cae>and I've read that vga= is deprecated and should be replaced by gfxpayload (which can't be found in linux/Documentation/ at all)
20:32<pajaro>cae ive used vga magic in the past... ive got in my list how to do it via grub2... there are parameters for that if you google it
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20:33<cae>pajaro: some list like http://linuxwiki.de/GRUB#VGA_Parameter (sorry, in german) ... but there's not even a nearly fitting resolution
20:33<pajaro>boodie, ctrl + r C
20:34<pajaro>cae, google how to do it via grub2 if you want something else... but some of those resolutions sure must match one of your accepted resolutions, dont they?
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20:34<cae>boodie: enter 'export LC_ALL=C' and then this shell should use english (more precise: POSIX default) localisation
20:34<pajaro>:bacula
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20:35<cae>pajaro: ah, gfxpayload is a grub2 specific thing, that explains a lot
20:35<boodie>http://pastie.org/8955117
20:35<cae>I thought it was a kernel parameter
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20:36<garen>where am I and why should you convince me to use my real name?
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20:38<boodie>dpkg --audit = http://paste.debian.net/88803/
20:38<dpkg>boodie: i haven't a clue
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20:39<boodie>I have two packages that are broken, damaged or whatsoever and I can't get rid of them
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20:40<boodie>It's deep now
20:40<saiyan>lol
20:40<pajaro>boodie, now we should dig into what the remove script is trying to do and why is failing
20:40<boodie>ok
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20:41<boodie>maybe trying to reinstall them, and then purge?
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20:41<pajaro>yup... thats why i was looking now to do... it would make everything much easier
20:42<pajaro>some force of some kind...
20:42<boodie>ok, how?
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20:43<pajaro>dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-nvidia xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx
20:43<dpkg>ii xserver-xorg-video-nvidia xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx 3.9-5.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
20:43<pajaro>ill take a look at the scripts
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20:46<pajaro>i need the output of dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-nvidia xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx
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20:47<pajaro>and probably the whole output of dpkg -l ... i want to see what else you have from backports
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20:48<boodie>http://paste.debian.net/88806/
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20:50<pajaro>okay... moving backwards doesnt seem a solution
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20:50<pajaro>we have to move forward
20:50<pajaro>install those packages
20:51<boodie>how?
20:51<boodie>apt-get -i ...
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20:52<pajaro>let me get the dependencies... looking at the versions those packages probably dont like to be installed together
20:52<pajaro>look at*
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20:56<cae>pajaro: fyi, it finally boils down to 'echo GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1366x768 >>/etc/default/grub; update-grub; reboot'... I hadn't thought that it would be that easy
20:56<pajaro>cae :D
20:57<cae>thanks for your help :-)
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20:57<pajaro>i think i changed to a fb tty
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20:57<pajaro>and made my own troubles doing it
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20:57<pajaro>but yeah... i gotta do that change mine as well
20:58<pajaro>specially important when you are in boodie situation xD
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20:59<cae>and yeah, it's framebuffer now, the scrolling is pretty slow
20:59<cae>but I think it's okay, at least for testing
20:59<pajaro>yeah, i mean once you start the tty
20:59<boodie>right ... now I can't go forward nor backward
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21:02<boodie>Since I installed wheezy I had nothing but trouble
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21:03<boodie>practically at every major update. It was my fault once because I started the process without enough disk space. It took 2 days to fix the mess
21:03<pajaro>boodie, do you remember what did we do to show the chain of why it couldnt install?
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21:04<pajaro>boodie, +1
21:04<foreverska>I absolutely cannot run Wheezy. Much too old
21:04<pajaro>apt-get install -f ?
21:04<boodie>apt-get -f install, yes
21:04<pajaro>im looking at the old pasties, but i cant find it
21:04<pajaro>yeah, paste it again please
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21:06<boodie>su -c "apt-get -f install | nopaste"
21:06<boodie>is frozen
21:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 654] by debhelper
21:07<pajaro>if wheezy is trouble... testing borks on updates twice a year at least for me
21:07<pajaro>ive gotta upgrade only when im sure i have time to fix it in case it breaks
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21:08<pajaro>boodie, well... i would debug it further in my own machine... but im not confident enough to do it this way
21:08<boodie>I'm sooo lame, I thought that with stable I would have had a reliable linux box ... obviously it's not the case
21:09<pajaro>your best call is to reinstall
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21:09<pajaro>to be fair... you should not allow upgrades from backports unless you know what you are doing
21:09<boodie>I had to kill su -c "apt-get -f install | nopaste" ...
21:09<boodie>Now what? Ubuntu?
21:09<pajaro>probably a good call
21:10<pajaro>a reinstall wont lose anything
21:10<boodie>I wouldn't have had backports, if iceweasel worked
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21:10<boodie>reinstall what?
21:10<pajaro>yeah... iceweasel... i looked at the numbers the other day
21:10<pajaro>half debian doesnt use iceweasel
21:11<pajaro>i thought it was the prefered browser... but if you look at popcon... is not
21:11<boodie>ok, happy to avoid iceweasel, but now I need X!
21:12<pajaro>im still happy with it... but is not as uses as i thought
21:12<pajaro>used*
21:12<pajaro>therefore lack of man power and more buggy
21:12<boodie>I was happy until 3 hours ago
21:12<pajaro>boodie, your best call now (unless you find some apt guru) is to reinstall wheezy
21:12<pajaro>without reformating your hardrive
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21:13<boodie>Oh, no ...
21:13<pajaro>its been a while since i had to fix issues reinstalling... but is going to be much faster overall
21:13<boodie>I can't beleieve it
21:13<pajaro>yeah, i recognize my defeat u.u
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21:14<pajaro>reinstalling over your current installation should be pretty fast
21:14<pajaro>and install nvidia-kernel-dkms as only nvidia package
21:14<boodie>pretty fast? how many weeks?
21:15<pajaro>reinstalling debian? half an hour?
21:15<boodie>what?
21:15<boodie>Upgrading to wheezy took me a week
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21:15<pajaro>now, reinstall wheezy directly...
21:17<pajaro>borks happens... avoid backports as much as you can...
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21:17<pajaro>the way to deal with stable is to learn to love the old and stable
21:18<foreverska>That is terrible advice.... The way to deal with a gunshot to the head is to lean to love a gunshot to the head.
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21:18<boodie>Problem is that you find in this channel people who say exactly the opposite
21:18<pajaro>your other way out is testing... which borks from time to time... and the only way to deal with it is to learn to fix it
21:18<pajaro>well, of course... i only speak in first person
21:18<pajaro>this is my advice
21:18<pajaro>if you look for stable... learn to love stable... rock solid but old
21:19<boodie>I need to have the X back , without the mess
21:19<pajaro>if you want stable but shiny and new... then you have problems
21:19<foreverska>Jessie isn't stable?
21:19<pajaro>boodie, if you reinstall wheezy over your current wheezy install it will take half an hour
21:20<boodie>How?
21:20<boodie>I doubt it, Pajaro, since the current experience, but anyway, what is the procedure?
21:21<pajaro>download wheezy installtion cd and make a normal install without reformating the units... if you have /home in another partition it is easier
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21:22<pajaro>foreverska, i know that ppl claim that never has breakages... and ppl that says that never needed to reinstall and have testing since potato
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21:22<boodie>I don't think I will be able to do it, certainly not in half an hour. Look what happened today.
21:22<pajaro>its not my experience... much less when you are learning
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21:24<foreverska>pajaro, I have more issues with hardware in weezy than Jessie or Sid. I daily Sid and the last issue I had was because I didn't exit X server when the new kernel and video drivers came down.
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21:24<pajaro>boodie, yeah, upgrades can take longer... but a regular install is 30-60 min depening on your connection and packages that you install
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21:25<boodie>Well, I trusted the package system, obviously wrongly
21:25<pajaro>yeah foreverska thats on side of sid... faster fixes... the other side is you do eat some bugs that dont get to testing
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21:25<boodie>I think that now I'll go to bed, but sleeping, well, not likely.
21:26<pajaro>red swirls will hunt you
21:26<pajaro>maybe you find here tomorrow some apt gury that can help you
21:26<pajaro>im sorry i cant help you further
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21:27<boodie>I need to work with the computer, I'm old, I'm not an IT professional, and I'm starting to be sick of it
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21:27<boodie>thank you anyway
21:27<pajaro>boodie, ubuntu lts is probably the way to go
21:27<boodie>windows 7
21:28<pajaro>xD that too
21:28<pajaro>but i do get sick of it faster than this
21:28<pajaro>this is not that bad once you get to learn it
21:28<boodie>Can I ask you your age?
21:28<foreverska>Well sure pajaro but bugs in Jessie are a lot less than sid and a casual may never see sid bugs much less jessie. I will eat a few bugs to have my motherboard fully supported. I lose ethernet in weezy, that is unacceptable.
21:28<pajaro>32
21:29<boodie>I am 20 years older than you
21:29<pajaro>well, ppl that got sick of linux around me jumped to mac
21:29<heckman>or moved to sf to work in the tech industry
21:29<pajaro>if you have the cash, and lack other things... its okay
21:29<rjsalts>#debian-offtopic maybe?
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21:30<boodie>possibly ... problem is mac is expensive, windows is insecure, the hardware doesn't work in linux
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21:31<boodie>bye now
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21:31<pajaro>gn
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21:56<isosceles>hey folks. i'm having disk formatting problems. my when i attempt to create a partition table on this external hdd from gparted i receive a libparted bug: input/ouput error during write. ideas?
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21:58<isosceles>it goes on to say the backup gpt is corrupt but the primary "appears OK so it will be used"
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21:58<sysvalve>broken disk?
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21:59<isosceles>i haven't used it much, but recently reformatted it when switching systems. could i have broke it in the formatting process? i can hardly believe it's broken
21:59<isosceles>how common is it for a newer external to break?
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22:12<sysvalve>isosceles: no, formatting wont break it
22:12<sysvalve>at least physically
22:13<isosceles>sysvalve: i could be wrong, but i suspect it may "broke" it in some non-physical way. could be cooincidence, but i made two usb sticks unusable as well non long before. it seems very coincidental.
22:14<isosceles>i'm trying out this testdisk program unless you can recommend another tool
22:14<sysvalve>maybe you just partitioned badly :)
22:14<sysvalve>at a logical level (formatting/partitioning) you can always fix if you break them
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22:15<sysvalve>just fresh start, trash all partitions and start fresh. Create a partition and format it
22:16<isosceles>sysvalve: it will not allow me to. it gives the bug i posted above
22:17<isosceles>sysvalve: regarding partitioning badly, i simply used gparted
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22:17<isosceles>not too many options.
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