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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-03-22

---Logopened Sat Mar 22 00:00:22 2014
---Daychanged Sat Mar 22 2014
00:00<omixam>It mention that DISPLAY environment variable must be set for the installation... is it relevant?
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00:02<sysvalve>omixam: just launch it from within an X session and you will be good to go
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00:03<sysvalve>it probably is a super ancient program
00:03<sysvalve>kernel 2.2.2... that's like 15 years in the past
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00:05<sysvalve>and you can always check the RAE web page, even script the queries.
00:05<centrx>Yeah, your program's minimum requirements are from 1999
00:05<omixam>when I run cho $DISPLAY
00:05<omixam>:0.1
00:06<omixam>echo $DISPLAY
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00:07<sysvalve>that's because the program will need a graphics displau
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00:08<sysvalve>omixam: it might be impossible just to make it work
00:08<sysvalve>http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=palabra
00:08<sysvalve>you can write a script using that URL :P
00:09<omixam>Are they any reason for not work if the requirement are complete?
00:09<centrx>The program is very old and does not provide you with source code.
00:10<karadoc>Is there some way I can get a log or something that tells me precisely why 'hibernate' (suspend to disk) isn't working on my computer?
00:10<sysvalve>omixam: it may require a library (libjvm) that does not exist anymore, and is incompatible with other libs in the system
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00:10<LtL>karadoc: lack of swap may be a reason
00:10<sysvalve>it can be a thousand reasons...
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00:11<sysvalve>karadoc: /var/log/pm*.log
00:11<centrx>omixam, Find a dictionary with newer software
00:12<sysvalve>(my thousands were addressed to omixam, not karadoc )
00:12<centrx>karadoc, /var/log/messages syslog etc
00:12<centrx>sysvalve, Or yeah pm* ^^^^
00:12<sysvalve>centrx: maybe even a browser plugin!
00:13<centrx>Yeah
00:13<centrx>omixam, You can upgrade your dial-up connection off of AOL too
00:13<karadoc>sysvalve & centrx: ok. Thanks I'll look around in those places to see if I can find some info I can understand.
00:13<sysvalve>centrx: i think that in his case would be Infovia
00:13<sysvalve>I guess he is from Spain
00:13<omixam>dial-up connection... what is that?
00:13<sysvalve>omg, and YOUNG
00:14<karadoc>LtL: I think you're right that it is probably lack of swap. I'm just using whatever the default settings for swap were... if lack of swap is the problem, then I'll have to learn how to fix it.
00:14<centrx>conexión de acceso telefónico
00:14<LtL>phone number for hookers-r-us
00:14<sysvalve>karadoc: there is also a situation where some "leftovers" in your swap caused it not to work
00:14<sysvalve>can't give more details, sorry
00:14<sysvalve>but the fix was to reenable swap
00:15<sysvalve>centrx: when we connected via modem
00:15<omixam>I dont remenber this type of connection in my contry...
00:15<sysvalve>(modem?) :P
00:15<omixam>Thanks... guys...
00:15<sysvalve>omixam: because you are too young
00:15<centrx>una módem
00:15<sysvalve>si
00:15<sysvalve>;)
00:15<omixam>I believe that I going to develop script for use the online dictionary....
00:16<centrx>Excellent
00:16<omixam>modem... of course...
00:16<sysvalve>omixam: if you have the energy you can write an extension for firefox and/or chrome
00:16<sysvalve>it would be cool
00:17<karadoc>sysvalve: I don't really know what you mean, but I just tried "swapoff -a", "swapon -a", "echo disk > /sys/power/state" - and it didn't work. ie. when I turned the computer back on it just booted normally instead of resuming.
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00:17<karadoc>my main problem is that I don't really know anything much about linux. I'm just trying stuff in the hope that something will work..
00:17<omixam>I gonna put in agenda...
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00:17<saiyan>hello
00:18<omixam>Thanks.. I'm going off...
00:18<saiyan>wait
00:18<saiyan>before you go off
00:18<saiyan>nvm
00:19<omixam>nvm?
00:19<saiyan>how do i get a window tiling manager
00:19<saiyan>I want custom terminal windows with no borders on my desktop
00:20<omixam>sorry I not debian dev... I'm new...
00:20<saiyan>ah ok
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00:21<saiyan>hello?
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00:22<centrx>!enter
00:22<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
00:23<saiyan>Well heres my question. I was wondering if anyone could help me install a tiling window manager, if thats what its called. Something that lets me have custom terminal windows where i can modify the borders and have them in the desktop like widgets. I wouldnt know what to install
00:24<centrx>saiyan, awesome, i3, and dwm are a few of the more popular ones I believe
00:24<centrx>I am not sure which would be best for you
00:24<saiyan>ok ill look through those
00:24<centrx>But those are some names to start with
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00:24<centrx>Wikipedia and the Arch Linux wiki seem to have a big list of them
00:25<saiyan>ill start with awesome, I just have never been able to customize my linux desktop before and I always see such great desktops Iwanted to learn how
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00:28<centrx>cool
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00:31<saiyan>can anyone here help me install awesome
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00:31<centrx>What's wrong with the installation?
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00:31<saiyan>i dont know how
00:31<saiyan>or where the files are
00:32<saiyan>i installed it off terminal
00:32<centrx>apt-get install
00:32<centrx>Did you do that?
00:32<centrx>Then you probably add it to your .xinitrc file
00:32<saiyan>oh sorry about pressing enter too many times, I just realized I was doing that. Anyways I did apt-get install on terminal but now I don't know the next step. I can't find it in any folders
00:33<centrx>I would read the docs
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00:33<saiyan>what docs
00:34<centrx>Find the home page for the awesome window manager, and find the link for "docs"
00:35<centrx>To run X with a certain window manager, you can add it to your .xinitrc like "exec openbox" (I use openbox) and then restart X
00:35<saiyan>ok
00:35<centrx>but if you do that and get into awesome/X without knowing how it works, you might get stuck
00:35<centrx>So you might as well read the docs first
00:36<centrx>Since tiling window managers usually are all configured in a config file and use keyboard shortcuts, not simply menus
00:36<saiyan>gotcha
00:37<saiyan>holy crap this looks complicated
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00:38<themill>(that is what you asked for...)
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00:38<saiyan>I know, I was just saying..
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00:46<centrx>saiyan, You might want to start with afterstep or windowmaker. They are different enough that it is something interesting to figure out, and they are classic window managers, but not as unusual as a tiling window manager.
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00:53<saiyan>nah im ok
00:53<saiyan>I like the challenge
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01:31<saiyan>lol nice, this irssi is pretty cool
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01:39<saiyan>how do i connect to freenode? /connect (what address?)
01:40<wompa>chat.freenode.net or check http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
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02:20<chillibite>what do you think is a good first programming language to learn?
02:21<chillibite>not for any real purpose, just to learn how to program
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02:22<t-revor>python
02:22<t-revor>that was quick
02:23<sebjames>It's probably easier to say what makes a bad first programming language to learn.
02:25<t-revor>like brainfuck
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02:26<sebjames>aye
02:27<t-revor>what's that one esoteric language that's like brainfuck but designed to be nearly impossible to use?
02:27<t-revor>starts with an m or something
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02:28<sebjames>I've not heard of that.
02:28<sebjames>Trying to write a native C++ program on Microsoft Windows?
02:29<t-revor>i learned some c on linux. it was pretty fun. then i looked up how to do the same on windows. it was hell...
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02:30<sebjames>Yes- because there's nothing to hide all the ghastly Windows internals. I found it so painful that I had to write the program in C#, which at least hides what's under the hood and gives you a reasonble environment
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02:31<t-revor>i gave up on programming for windows so if i ever need to do anything windows-related that batch scripts can't do (aka all), i use python and py2exe.exe
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02:32<sebjames>Malbolge
02:32<sebjames>That's the language you were thinking of I think.
02:33<foreverska>I used to program native Win32 in C quite a bit
02:33<t-revor>yup, malbolge
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02:34<foreverska>I finally gave it up during my IM client project when it became too unwieldy. Switched to FLTK.
02:34<t-revor>because of the complexity of win32?
02:35<foreverska>Yea, stuff like scroll bars are manually programmed. Incredibly powerful but not how I want to spend my time.
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02:37<atomizer>hi to all
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02:38<atomizer>hi. is it possible to install oxygen-transparent in solydk?
02:40<foreverska>chillibite, I finally read back a little. I think we have quickly forgotten Basic in this day and age. Are you high school by chance? Or at least have access to a TI-calculator?
02:41<t-revor>chillibite is long gone
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02:41<t-revor>ooh, TI-BASIC <3
02:42<foreverska>lol I'm pretty bad a reading tonight. Yea that was going to be my suggestion. I sharpened my teeth on TI-Basic and Dark Basic.
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02:44<sebjames>Scriptcraft in Minecraft - I think my son has been using that to introduce himself to programming
02:45<t-revor>ha, my younger brother was doing the same thing
02:46<foreverska>Actually yea... I should give credit where credit is due. I was introduced to the idea of syntax in HTML
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02:47<t-revor>only learned from TI-Basic here, to make things easier for chemistry but then i got bored of equations and started making random programs for the fun of it.
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02:48<foreverska>Yea, I used to sit in the back of statistics and make games. I remember one family road trip even I coded the whole way. Made a text game where you explored a school and fought bullies.
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02:49<foreverska>Ooooh or the 3d Engine I wrote in TI basic. SOOOOO slow.
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02:49<shurpu>please help a noob configure his wi-fi, I already struggled with wired connection... I'm on Debian Wheezy Standard and want to do everything in CLI
02:49<t-revor>was it pure TI-Basic? because the calculator can do geometrical thingies pretty fast
02:50<t-revor>i made a rotating 3D sphere that was fast
02:50<shurpu>I've spend the last 3 hours browsing for answers on wikis and forums and I'm fed up now
02:50<foreverska>shurpu, brave man doing wifi in CLI. What are you having trouble with?
02:50<sebjames>t-revor: How could you tell it was rotating?
02:51<foreverska>t-revor, yea pure TI-basic. The choke was drawing really. Spinning the objects took miliseconds but I used the draw commands took forever
02:51<shurpu>foreverska: I've eventually installed wicd and it print : no wireless network detected, but my wi-fi's led light is up
02:51<t-revor>sebjames: because it looked like it was?
02:51<shurpu>foreverska: I need to add I'm on a laptop, and I would like it be as mobile as possible, so auto-detect and such would be a dream come true
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02:54<foreverska>shurpu: what repository are you running?
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02:55<shurpu>foreverska: excuse me if I misunderstood your question, if you ask for my version of Debian it is Wheezy stable
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02:56<foreverska>shurpu: nah you guessed right, and your wireless connector is it USB?
02:56<shurpu>foreverska: no, it's an Atheros wi-fi card inside my laptop
02:58<shurpu>foreverska: as an aside, thanks for helping...
02:58<foreverska>shurpu: ah yea... ath9k and debian aren't exactly friends from my experience.... there is a package for ath drivers....
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02:59<foreverska>shurpu: there we are firmware-atheros
02:59<shurpu>foreverska: what confuse me is that during the installation of Debian Standard stable it automatically detected my Atheros card and even used it to connect to some mirrors! So I thought there would be no problem once Debian will be installed... oh I was wrong.
03:00<foreverska>actually... before you do that
03:00<foreverska>dmegs | grep atheros
03:00<foreverska>*dmesg
03:01<shurpu>foreverska: thank you, let me read the man for dmesg, I've never seen that before ^^
03:01<shurpu>okay that was not of help! lol "kernel ring buffer" can't be more abstract for me :p
03:02<foreverska>well anyway... just give the firmware-atheros package a try
03:02<shurpu>foreverska: ok I did "dmesg | grep atheros" and nothing printed
03:02<foreverska>*Atheros
03:02<shurpu>yes thank you
03:03<foreverska>but yea that didn't quite target what I wanted in the first place.
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03:04<shurpu>foreverska:"apt-cache search atheros" there is no return
03:04<foreverska>oh...
03:04<foreverska>I blame weezy
03:04<t-revor>are you trying to see what specific card you are using?
03:04<t-revor>cuz you can use lspci for that
03:04<shurpu>t-revor: I just want to make my wi-fi working, I know what my card is
03:05<t-revor>oh
03:05<foreverska>Yea, atheros isn't normally packaged in debian for whatever reason
03:05<shurpu>I installed the non-free version of Debian Standard, there already was wireless-tools in there for example
03:06<shurpu>and it was automatically detected during the installation and used to connect to ftp.mirrors as well
03:06<foreverska>do you have non-free repositories in your source list?
03:06<shurpu>but now, wi-fi doesn't work, only wired connection
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03:07<shurpu>foreverska: I assume that yes, because this is the version I've choosen
03:07<shurpu>foreverska: oh! in my source list! I don't think so
03:07<foreverska>yea...
03:07<foreverska>https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-atheros
03:07<foreverska>it's sitting in non-free
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03:08<shurpu>alright, I'll add a non-free repository in my source list then
03:09<foreverska>if you get a chance dmesg | grep ath9k
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03:10<shurpu>foreverska: yes, that returned two lines
03:10<foreverska>good news
03:10<shurpu>foreverska: it's a shame I don't know how to copy lines from a tty to another one :/
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03:11<foreverska>Yea... not without network. I'd SSH into a system if I was inclined to do that
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03:14<shurpu>foreverska: I've added non-free and contrib to my sources.list but apt-cache search atheros don't give anything still
03:14<foreverska>did you update?
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03:16<shurpu>foreverska: oh, so that's how it's working... ok... "apt-get update" then. Sorry, I'm really learning a lot right now.
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03:17<foreverska>No problem. You have to learn. I only knew that because someone pointed it out to me before... a few times.
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03:18<shurpu>foreverska: firmware-atheros found and installed! :)
03:19<foreverska>there ya go. You may not need to restart if your wifi has a disable button
03:19<shurpu>foreverska: I don't have any button for my wifi, it's inside my laptop
03:20<foreverska>fair enough sudo reboot
03:20<shurpu>foreverska: alright, thank you, see you in a few minutes then!
03:20<foreverska>yup, np
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03:23<foreverska>testing
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03:23<shurpu>Here I am again
03:24<foreverska>alright anything in your iwconfig
03:24<shurpu>my wi-fi led is off
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03:24<shurpu>my wlan0 have ESSID:off/any
03:25<foreverska>thats correct
03:25<shurpu>foreverska: is there any way to copy/paste lines from a tty?
03:25<foreverska>right click
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03:26<shurpu>foreverska: I don't have mouse support, I'm not on a terminal emulator (I don't think I am anyway), I don't have X installed
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03:26<foreverska>Ohhhh... IRC from that TTY... deceiving
03:26<shurpu>foreverska: yes, I'm on IRSSI, really new for me too
03:27<shurpu>foreverska: even IRC is quite "new" for me :)
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03:29<foreverska>everything I'm coming up with is using pipes to put it out to a file... I'm having trouble conceiving of a way to make that work with IRC.
03:31<foreverska>Its very round about but you might >> to a .txt and then nano the txt and copy from there
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03:31<shurpu>foreverska: alright
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03:32<shurpu>foreverska: during this time I tried to "iwconfig wlan0 essid [mine] key s:[my key]"
03:32<shurpu>foreverska: result: SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid Argument.
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03:33<foreverska>sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
03:33<shurpu>foreverska: and wicd-curses still detect no wireless network
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03:34<shurpu>foreverska: oh good, that lighted my wifi LED
03:35<shurpu>foreverska: but I still have Invalid Argument when trying to use iwconfig wlan0 essid ... etc
03:36<shurpu>foreverska: and wicd-curses still don't detect any wireless network
03:36<foreverska>hmmm iwconfig wlan0
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03:38<shurpu>foreverska: I can't paste text on irssi... Ctrl-V don't work for that.
03:39<foreverska>it didn't throw a fit though?
03:39<weasel>a) run it in screen, use it's copy/paste.
03:39<shurpu>dfff
03:39<weasel>b) redirect the output to a file, in irssi /exec -o cat $file
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03:39<weasel> (no more than 2 or 3 lines)
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03:40<foreverska>your network is WEP right?
03:40<shurpu>cat: /home/shurpu/home/shurpu/iwconfig-wlan0: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
03:40<shurpu>foreverska: WPA
03:41<shurpu>cat: $~/home/shurpu/iwconfig-wlan0: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
03:41<shurpu>cat: $~/shurpu/iwconfig-wlan0: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
03:41<foreverska>Uhhh WPA is a bit more involved I'm now remembering
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03:42<shurpu>wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:"LABOX-3DE8"
03:42<shurpu> Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=16 dBm
03:42<shurpu> Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
03:42<shurpu> Encryption key:off
03:42<shurpu> Power Management:off
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03:43<foreverska>I can't 100% verify this because I'm a pleb who never does WPA from command line but I can tell you what the ubuntu forums say to do
03:43<shurpu>weasel: ok it worked, but it was more than 3 lines, so I was kicked out, but good to know this trick however! thanks
03:44<shurpu>foreverska: well ok, something puzzle me a bit: when I was on Ubuntu (and any pre-packaged distros) the wi-fi was automatically detected and set up
03:44<shurpu>I assume there must be a CLI program that do the trick too no? That could auto detect and set-up wi-fi? no?
03:45<foreverska>You're quickly escaping the realm of my knowledge
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03:47<shurpu>foreverska: I'll ask the hivemind on Reddit then. Thank you for your kind help. :)
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03:48<foreverska>no problem. We at least sorted your Ath9k issue.
03:48<shurpu>foreverska: and I actually learned a lot! thank you! see ya! :)
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05:19<ectospasm>I could never get wpa_supplicant et. all. to work from the command line
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05:22<bullgard4>I have a small (non Debian) Linux machine having a ARMv6-compatible processor rev 5 (v6l) with two processors of 299 BogoMIPS. Is this sufficient to operating a MySQL server?
05:23<ectospasm>bullgard4: depends on how much traffic/operations per second you expect the MySQL server to perform
05:24<ectospasm>I wouldn't think that system would be able to process much
05:24<ectospasm>299 BogoMIPS is quite low
05:26<bullgard4>ectospasm: It is intended to operate a MySQL database with 60000 records which I access only myself for lookup notices.
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05:26<ectospasm>is the database expected to grow?
05:27<bullgard4>ectospasm: It has grown over the last three years only from 50000 records to 58000 records.
05:28<ectospasm>so, not orders of magnitude bigger
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05:28<bullgard4>sizes: tb1.MAD = 30 MB, tb1.MYI = 175 MB, tb1.frm = 9 MB.
05:29<ectospasm>you'll probably be alright, but you might not be happy with the performance of queries
05:29<bullgard4>No, it willl not grow by orders of magnitude.
05:30<ectospasm>is this on an ARM-based NAS?
05:30<bullgard4>ectospasm: Yes.
05:31<ectospasm>for a light server, it might be alright
05:31<ectospasm>It can't hurt to try it out, though
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05:33<bullgard4>ectospasm: So I will endeavor installing and test its access time then. -- Thank you for commenting.
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05:36<rfree>during GRUB and early boot, tha text mode works fine, but later in boot something is changed and text is not visible. How to stop this and make leave the normal regular text mode in VT same as on early boot? Intel gfx cards. Wheezy
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05:38<ectospasm>rfree: disable your framebuffer
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05:58<mojoman>Hi all. Trying to setup bumblebee-nvidia on Lenovo E531. Followed instructions on Debian wiki. Everything installs correctly. Bumblebeed is running but no nvidia modules is loaded. optirun glxgears yields [ 740.491426] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) No devices detected. I’ve specified BusID "PCI:01:00.0" in section device in /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia which is the nvidia BusID. Any input on this is much ap
05:58<mojoman>preciated.
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05:59<mojoman>running Debian testing btw
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06:03<thomas_>bonjour! suis je sur l'irc d'aide debian?
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06:04<ectospasm>!fr
06:04<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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06:09<ectospasm>thomas_: ^
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06:10<newbie|2>Hello!
06:10<newbie|2>Who speaks Russian?
06:11<m42>!ru
06:11<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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06:14<newbie|2>You understand my English?
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06:16<bullgard4>newbie|2: Yes, we do understand your English.
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06:24<newbie|2>Someone tell me what packages by default uses Gnome 3.4 in Debian
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06:27<newbie|2>Want this http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/ your gnome just to the same as in debian
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06:33<newbie|2>Who will help me?
06:33<bullgard4>newbie|2: The package is »gnome«.
06:33<blueCmd>/ws 2
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06:34<viscera>how can i see which packages have been rebuilt from source?
06:34<newbie|2>Who will help me?
06:34<bullgard4>newbie|2: The package is »gnome«.
06:34<viscera>which installed packages**
06:35<bullgard4>newbie|2: 'aptitude why gnome'
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06:35<newbie|2>Who will help me?
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06:39<devil>newbie|2: you a parrot?
06:39<bluewater>hrhr
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06:40<SynrG>viscera: you mean which you have locally installed from rebuilt sources?
06:40<newbie|2>А зачем хамить
06:40<Brigo>,v gnome
06:40<judd>Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.8+4; sid: 1:3.8+4
06:41<viscera>SynrG: yes
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06:41<Brigo>newbie|2, if you have wheezy installed so you have already gnome 3.4 installed, or can install it with apt-get install gnome
06:41<SynrG>there is likely some nifty pattern in aptitude. for big reviews of all packages on my system i use synaptic which has a "Local/obsolete" filter
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06:42<newbie|2>Why be rude
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06:43<viscera>SynrG: but it's only local/obsolete when there's a newer version in apt, ie. when the local version no longer matches the apt version. that's not the case. the version is identical.
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06:45<SynrG>viscera: what are you doing not incrementing the version# when you rebuild? that's just going to lead to confusion :(
06:46<SynrG>always suffix, e.g. ~0.my.1 or so
06:47<viscera>SynrG: i didn't want to break deps
06:48<SynrG>anyway, i think you need to somehow select on origin
06:48<SynrG>you won't break deps
06:48<newbie|2>No, I just need to collect your gnome archi linux
06:48<newbie|2>but only in the left of Debian Gnome 3.4 and so I ask you for help
06:48<SynrG>!ru
06:48<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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06:49<SynrG>newbie|2: i'm sorry, you are very difficult to understand
06:49<viscera>SynrG: i suppose i should read up on version numbers, then
06:49<viscera>SynrG: i think origin only counts for repo packages, not local ones
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06:49<viscera>SynrG: i guess i need to reinstall, then.
06:49<SynrG>viscera: how many packages have you rebuilt from source?
06:50<viscera>SynrG: a handful...
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06:50<SynrG>viscera: i'm pretty sure there must be some aptitude select for this. i just haven't had my coffee yet ... ;)
06:50<SynrG>also, i have to get ready to leave in about ~1hr, so am afraid i have to go
06:51<SynrG>good luck
06:51<viscera>np
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06:53<SynrG>viscera: here's a method:
06:53<SynrG>viscera: try looking at a locally compiled package's control fields after installation and compare with one from the archive
06:53<SynrG>see if you can spot the difference
06:53<viscera>ok... thanks
06:54<SynrG>i.e. apt-cache show
06:55<SynrG>if there is a difference, there must be some way to select them
06:55<SynrG>and now i'm out :)
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07:04<newbie|2>Thanks for the help, I'm going to teach English))
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07:08<ectospasm>Engrish?
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07:12<viscera>is debtags -p $DIR supposed to take the md5sums from the .deb files in $DIR instaed of from /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums?
07:12<viscera>because that doesn't seem to be working
07:13<viscera>ah, i think it's only for when the latter is missing :\ damnit
07:14<viscera>it'd be nice to be able to make debtags completely ignore the latter without removing them (which makes me paranoid)
07:14<viscera>SynrG: found the method, sort of ^
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07:21<Thorgrin>guys, I did aptitude update && aptitude update yesterday. It's still resolving dependencies now... Any ideas why it is taking so long?
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07:33<devil>Thorgrin: extremely slow internet?
07:34<SynrG>viscera: normally when rebuilding source, the very first thing i do after checking it out is 'dch'. you might consider using 'dch --nmu' as if you were doing an NMU
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07:35<Thorgrin>devil: no. the update runs quite quickly. the upgrade part just takes 100% CPU and 2GB of memory so far
07:35<SynrG>viscera: if you're concerned about real NMU's being considered not newer than your own, and therefore not upgrading, you can change the suffix to something that is likely to collate lower than an NMU
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07:36<SynrG>viscera: so let's say a package is 1.0-1, you might suffix it 1.0-1~0.my.1 to indicate this is your first revision to debian version -1 of upstream version 1.0
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07:37<SynrG>viscera: then if someone NMUs it, the new version is 1.0-1.1 which is higher than your revision
07:38<SynrG>or else in case of a binNMU, the new version is 1.0-1+b1 which is still higher than your version
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07:39<SynrG>viscera: also, dch is going to add your own name to the changelog. this makes it trivial to find things "Uploaded" by you
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07:44<Lilly>Hi. Do anyone know a good and easy disk encryption software? Would like to encrypt everything on my Debian VPS.
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07:54<viscera>SynrG: dch... got it. in the meantime i will just reinstall i guess, to get a clean system.
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07:57<devil>Thorgrin: ouch. please copy the complete output of apt/aptitude into a pastebin
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08:07<rfree>how to install from DVDs without juggling them around? can I copy them to hard drive?
08:08<rfree>and then tell apt-get to look for DVD's isos in given disk file
08:08<abrotman>why not use http sources?
08:08<rfree>no network
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08:09<abrotman>Why not?
08:10<Thorgrin>devil: i found that the sources.list was missing main in most of the sources
08:10<rfree>it's air gap computer
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08:10<devil>Thorgrin: that explains a lot :)
08:10<rfree>only verified DVDs go in, nothing goes out
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08:11<Thorgrin>devil: it now works quite well. Only I cannot install qemu from backports since it wants to remove gnome-core... but that is another problem. Maybe some packages moved around and now the dependencies are hard to fulfill
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08:12<devil>Thorgrin: sorry, I have no gnome, quemu nor debian stable :)
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08:13<Thorgrin>no problem ;-) thanks anyway
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08:16<rfree>how to list packages that are build-dep of foo? list, instead installing
08:18<rfree>hmm apt-get --just-print build-dep gnupg sort of shows but need to parse output, anything direct?
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08:39<viscera>okay, removing /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums didn't cause "debsums -p /var/cache/apt/archives" to use the md5sums from the cached .debs. Anyone know how to do this, ie. compare the checksums in my cached debs to the system files?
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08:48<viscera>meh, i'll just reinstall packages and see what happens: sudo apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg --get-selections|grep -E '[[:blank:]]+install$' | cut -f1 | grep -Ev '^(dpkg|perl-base|debconf)$')
08:48<viscera>sudo apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg --get-selections|grep -E '[[:blank:]]+install$' | cut -f1 | grep -Ev '^(dpkg|perl-base|debconf)$')
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08:49<sahin>jkj
08:49<sahin>ölşü
08:49<sahin>lk
08:49<sahin>lk
08:49<viscera>(oops, double paste)
08:49<sahin>lne diyonn
08:49<sahin>:)
08:49<sahin>:)
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08:52<juzza1>I have two keyboard layouts i frequently use. I set the "Key(s) to change layout" to "Both Ctrl keys together". however, when I press both ctrl keys, nothing happens. "both shift keys together" works, so im doing something right. Why wouldnt the ctrl keys work?
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09:04<Brigo>juzza1, i really don't know, but i think the proble could be the own keyboard, may be the 2 crt keys send the same signal.
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09:05<juzza1>you are right, i didnt think of that
09:05<juzza1>probably the reason
09:05<valdyn>juzza1: both ctrl keys are mapped to the same thing by default, see xmodmap
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09:07<juzza1>looks like they _should_ be separate in my config: control Control_L (0x25), Control_R (0x69)
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09:07<valdyn>juzza1: yes the keys are different, but they are both mapped to "control"
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09:07<valdyn>juzza1: now if whatever tool you are using uses the mapping, not the actual keycode, then both are the same
09:09<valdyn>juzza1: that said, xmodmap has no idea what keys you actually have. I just don't think theres any keyboard that fucks up the standard by not having the real 2 ctrl keys
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09:12<juzza1>I see. thanks for the explanation. both shift keys are mapped to "shift" in xmodmap, yet the shift-combination works, so it would imply a hardware problem with the ctrl keys. the gnome3 keyboard layout config must then use the actual keycode as you described
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09:13<valdyn>juzza1: nah, just use xev to see if the keys differ
09:16<juzza1>ok, i just tested it, and both ctrl keys have different keycodes, and both keys are registered when pressed simultaneously
09:17<juzza1>just the same as with the shift keys
09:17<valdyn>juzza1: so theres almost only one conclusion, which is that your keymap switching program is broken
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09:20<juzza1>indeed
09:20<juzza1>will have a look at the bug trackers
09:21<valdyn>juzza1: i just tried another program, i hit Ctrl and it Shows Ctrl - but that Ctrl is only mapped to mod4 here
09:21<valdyn>juzza1: so I think that such bugs might be common
09:22<valdyn>juzza1: (when i add the other key, that is hold both at a time then the program shows what it should show (mod4 *and* ctrl)
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09:34<juzza1>Ill go with some other keybind for now
09:34<juzza1>thanks for the help, very informative
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10:15<raccoon6>I am installing crunchbang debian and have 2x64gb ssds,1x128gb ssd and a 750 hdd i have never really partitoned this many what would be the best setup?
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11:20<zathras>Hi. Just wondering. When one installs Debian it is possible to let the installer suggest on how to partition a disk. This leads to my question: what is based on? Is there a tool or website which can give advice based on disksize X, separate /home yes/no etc?
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11:32<sysvalve>hi
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11:43<urzo>zathras: i recommend using lvm to allocate only as much space as needed and keeping /var/cache/apt/archives and /home seperate than /
11:44<urzo>with lvm, you can resize partitions while they are mounted
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11:44<zathras>urzo, I agree, but.... This is a VPS and I have very limited control over partitioning. No LVM :-(
11:45<zathras>atm everything is in one partition (which I would never have done if given the option). It is 20 GB. I have 10 GB unused space
11:45<zathras>I can freely partition that
11:45<zathras>my main concerns are /home and /var
11:46<urzo>if lvm is not an option, i wouldnt seperate /var from /
11:46<urzo>personally
11:46<zathras>imho /var is far more dangerous than /var/cache/....
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11:47<zathras>well, if /var remains on / there is nothing preventing the server to go down when it is flooded
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11:47<urzo>okay, well, i guess im more used to desktops than servers
11:48<urzo>i seperate cache for reasons other than danger heh
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11:49<urzo>i wouldnt expect debian installer to use any great wisdom though
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11:50<jfeliz>!adduser
11:50<dpkg>somebody said adduser was a program (front end to useradd(8)) for adding a user to the system. See also <homedir permissions>.
11:50<urzo>there are otherways to get online resizing than lvm by the way
11:50<urzo>it can be done with loopbacks even
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11:54<zathras>thanks for the input urzo
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12:02<V_>I was wondering, if someone happens to know where I can find a list of linux sudo uses. For example like why to use Sudo -i compared to just sudo or su
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12:03<blueCmd>well, 'man sudo' goes a long way there
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12:03<jfeliz>!sudo
12:03<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html
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12:08<sney>I'm working on an article/rant about that, but it's not done yet
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12:13<urzo>http://www.garyshood.com/root/
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12:15<urzo>^ everything you need to know about sudo
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12:22<Tape>What are daemons with linux/unix ?
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12:23<mtn>Tape: little devils
12:23<Tape>Lol
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12:23<Tape>System processes ?
12:24<devil>WHO IS CALLING?
12:24<Tape>Is it the same thing as servers or no ?
12:24<mtn>Tape: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computing)
12:24<sney>it is essentially the same thing as servers. it's a background process that hosts some service or other
12:25<Tape>Mtn thank you
12:25<Tape>Sney also thank you
12:25<sysvalve>!daemon
12:25<dpkg>A daemon is a process that runs in the background attending to various tasks without human intervention. Daemons typically have no controlling terminal, see http://www.steve.org.uk/Reference/Unix/faq_2.html#SEC16 for details on implementing a daemon. http://wiki.debian.org/Daemon
12:26<Tape>Thanks a lot all have a good day
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13:32<Doyoung>sadsad
13:32<Doyoung>Hi
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13:36<Mentalysion>Hi
13:37<sney>hi
13:37<foreverska>Hi
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14:12<Smooooooth>Hi. How do I eliminate the default sound icon and go with the Volume Control applet for the panel?
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14:16<crazyuser>so folks...i've got a file server behind our network that i'd like to be very accessible. even excusing piece of shit issues with getting samba to work, i've had quite a time messing with file permissions and placing different users in various other groups - way more than i've ever had with my desktops or laptops
14:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 698] by debhelper
14:17<us`0gb>I can't seem to find it now, but I'm looking for a page I saw on the debian.org web site that mentioned that the Debian group sees no particular reason to treat media any different that software in regards to the DFSG. Does anyone know where I might find that (or a similar page, I gust need a citation for my own page).
14:18<crazyuser>so...i had a normally dangerous idea. since i have no concern for securing the server (placing burden of security upon the network authentication), i wondered if it might be easier to remove most users/groups into a two-user system
14:18<us`0gb>s/different that/differently than/
14:18<crazyuser>root and non-root
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14:18<crazyuser>does anyone have any thoughts as to how doable this is versus how much pain i'm causing myself?
14:19<us`0gb>Hmm. That does sound risky. Though if you aren't concerned with security ... Keep in mind that you can never trust your users though.
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14:19<us`0gb>If you really want to do it, you could send the system into single user mode, probably.
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14:20<crazyuser>normally i'm security obsessed, but in this particular usecase all i need is a root user for myself to maintain server and a user for general use (various daemons)
14:20<crazyuser>i need slightly more than single user in this case
14:20<us`0gb>I don't know how to do it automatically, but if I recall, the "shutdown now" command on Debian will send it into single user mode if you don't use the -h flag/.
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14:20<crazyuser>i just don't need i need so many groups/users all with their own file permissions
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14:21<crazyuser>you change init.d settings us`0gb
14:21<crazyuser>well, that's one way at least. :P
14:21<ncl>telinit 1
14:21<crazyuser>also that^
14:21<us`0gb>Okay, sorry, I don't know how to just limit the number of active groups.
14:21<ncl>shutdown -h tells it to power off
14:21<us`0gb>Right.
14:21<crazyuser>ah. does anyone here have a bit of experience with that before i go spelunking on my own?
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14:22<crazyuser>ncl - i've encountered some system that send shutdown to single user/maintenance mode...but not debian.
14:22<crazyuser>rather annoying really^
14:22<us`0gb>I have no experience with it. I hide behind my groups trying to not break the system.
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14:22<crazyuser>yeah, i usually do too us`0gb. just...i'm feeling adventurous today i guess :P
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14:23<us`0gb>That's always good, as long as it's not a production system or your only machine.
14:23<crazyuser>you'd think just assigning the relevant daemons to one user group would work...
14:23<crazyuser>nah, neither of those :) just a home file server
14:23<us`0gb>I should try some things on one of my old laptops when I have time ... learning and experimenting is fun.
14:24<crazyuser>indubitably
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14:24<crazyuser>hmm...actually
14:24*crazyuser thinks there might be an easier solution
14:25<us`0gb>No time now though. I'm trying to write an article, then I should catch up on homework.
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14:26<crazyuser>easier solution was victorious...
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14:27*crazyuser cries at yesterday's wasted day
14:27<us`0gb>I also need to figure out how to build packages at some point so I can update Midori ... Even Debian Unstable's version of it is out of date.
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14:27<crazyuser>thats rather easy us`0gb :)
14:27<us`0gb>Well, at least you learned, right? Sometimes that's enough to not have the time be a waste.
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14:28<crazyuser>eh, if it wasn't something i realize i should've done before/already knew about
14:28<us`0gb>I'm sure it is easy, once you know what you're doing.
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14:29<us`0gb>But I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm used to being able to drop in PPAs for everything.
14:29<crazyuser>wait...are you asking to build a .deb package or compile source software?
14:29*crazyuser assumed the latter on first read, btu now realize you could mean the latter
14:29<crazyuser>ermm... mean the former*
14:30<us`0gb>I'm asking nothing, I have no time to work on that right now, I'm doing other things. But it's packaging that I know nothing about, compiling is usually easy enough.
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14:30<crazyuser>ah, nvm then. i stand corrected. :) yeah, i haven't poked into packaging myself
14:30<us`0gb>Well, I am asking about that web page I can't find.
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14:31<thatguychuck>I have two USB drives I use for installs, one with the install image and one for non-free firmware. It has worked in the past, but for some reason now I cannot get the 7.4 installer to recognize the firmware unless I remove the install usb and place it in the same port.
14:31*crazyuser just assumed you mean the ./configure, make, make install issue. (and sorry, i haven't seen that page on debian)
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14:33<thatguychuck>I'm not sure what has happened. I have tested across two different machines with the same result,
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14:35*crazyuser will venture a theory...are you installing on a computer you have not installed upon before?
14:35<hourra>hi
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14:36<thatguychuck>No, both machines currently have debian installs that were done with the same two USB drives, the only change I can think of is I updated my images to 7.4
14:36<abrotman>thatguychuck: /msg dpkg firmware images ; avoid the pain of having to do that
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14:37<thatguychuck>I know there are firmware images, but this has always worked in the past, and I don't know why it would just stop now.
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14:41<abrotman>thatguychuck: might get a better answer in #debian-boot
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14:43<thatguychuck>Actually I may have found something here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740503
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14:46<thatguychuck>Whelp that worked.
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15:00<Elo>I use a program on my network called wireshark, now when that program is installed on your computer if you use rkhunter or chkrootkit you see a warning about a sniffer on your computer
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15:00<SynrG>and?
15:01<SynrG>it's a false positive
15:01<crazyuser>^well, not really
15:01<Elo>I know that with rkhunter and chkrootkit you can ignore false positives how do I set it up to ignore wireshark but not ignore another sniffer that may enter my computer ?
15:01<crazyuser>it *is* a sniffer. just one you want.
15:01<SynrG>i don't know if you can
15:01<SynrG>probably just checks promisc
15:02<crazyuser>there's a few other programs that trigger warnings that are perfectly acceptable - mainly because of what they do to the system
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15:02<Elo>I didn't know if you could, I mean I would like to know if one I don't want enters you know
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15:03<Elo>Would there be a way to identify the sniffer say from wireshark from one I do not want
15:04<guilherme>I am using a debian sid with kde and have a nvidia card with bumblebee intalled. Is it a good idea to configure the entire kde to run on the video card? Are there any way to create two entries of kde on the iniliatlization (on with and another without kde on nvidia) like to different window manages?
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15:44<pajaro>im lookin for a backup. ive look to rsnapshot and bacula. snapshot require me to login as root in remote servers which is really not preferable. bacula requires direct connection from client to backup server... which is not possible either
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15:45<pajaro>i would need some kind of daemon running on clients that the backup server is able to contact and send files the required files to the backup server
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15:45<pajaro>any suggestion?
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15:54<Data>i need help
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15:54<devil>Data: just ask
15:54<towo`>he's gone
15:55<devil>that was fast
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16:25<mask>in debian 7 with the xfce gui i have to put the mouse almost exactly on the edge of a window in order to be able to resize it, clicking with about +/- 1 pixel of the edge, this is very difficult to do, is there a way to increase the range that I can be from the edge of a window when clicking and still be able to correctly grap the window edge for re-sizing? maybe something in the range of +/- 3 pixels?
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16:27<sasa98tx>ee ima li nekog sa balkana
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16:46<mask>and is there a way to write a script that i could just double-click on that would run 'sudo aptitude update' & 'sudo aptitude upgrade' for me, just by double clicking? at the moment, every time i want to run those two commands i have to type them in manually, i would like to learn how to automate that process
16:47<abrotman>mask: you can create a bash alias, or use a program to do it for you
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16:48<abrotman>(like update-manager)
16:48<mask>abrotman, how would i go about doing that? is there a wiki anywhere for it?
16:48<mask>abrotman, so would i do 'sudo aptitude install update-manager' and from there there would be a way to configure it?
16:48<abrotman>mask: I presume so, I don't use it
16:49<abrotman>it would have documentation
16:49<abrotman>mask: what is your DE/WM?
16:49<devil>mask: there is also the concept of aliases. I type dud to do what you ask for
16:49<abrotman>I said that!
16:49<devil>abrotman: ups :)
16:49<mask>DE/WM?
16:49<abrotman>DesktopEnvironment/WindowManager
16:50<mask>abrotman, hmmm, not sure how to check that, im running debian 7 with xfce
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16:51<abrotman>mask: so your DE is XFCE :)
16:51<mask>abrotman, ok, and how do i check WM?
16:51<abrotman>you're using xfwm
16:52<abrotman>dpkg: info update-manager-gnome
16:52<abrotman>judd: info update-manager-gnome
16:52<judd>Package update-manager-gnome (gnome, optional) in wheezy/i386: GNOME application that manages software updates. Version: 0.200.5-2.1; Size: 740.5k; Installed: 1267k; Homepage: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/update-manager/
16:52<mask>abrotman, does it matter that is says 'gnome' in 'update-manager-gnome' even though im running xfce?
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16:53<abrotman>mask: as I said, I don't use it .. you'll have ot install it and try it
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16:53<mask>abrotman, ok, thx, im looking into the aliases as we speak
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16:56<mdg2>Hello. Is there a channel for mintppc?
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16:56<abrotman>dpkg: tell mdg2 about mint
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17:00<mdg2>Just looking for some guidance to fix broken packages on a debian install on a PPC (looks like a lamp)
17:00<abrotman>mdg2: right, so ask them, Mint isn't supported here
17:00<mdg2>Its debian
17:00<Guest4137>i
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17:01<mdg2>the GUI has a mint flavor, but it is debian
17:02<mdg2>Oh, just found a website saying end of life this version and have to upgrade
17:02<centrx>mdg2, Why not use Debian PPC? It looks like the MintPPC project is dead/last version 2011
17:03<abrotman>mdg2: no, Mint is NOT Debian
17:03<mdg2>Will it run usable on a G4 PPC desktop (lamp style)?
17:03<mdg2>abrotman, mintppc is debian
17:03<abrotman>No
17:04<abrotman>mdg2: I can't tell you this enough times, Mint is not Debian, and Mint is not supported here.
17:04<mdg2>debian-ish
17:04<abrotman>this isn't up for debate
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17:04<abrotman>mdg2: if you wan thelp here, please install Debian, otherwise, go to the Mint support channels
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17:05<mdg2>abrotman, please take a deep breath and relax. I did not come here to cause trouble or aggravate you. What I have now is no longer support, so I am open to debian ppc
17:05<abrotman>mdg2: there is a wonderful installation manual at debian.org. It does install on my PPC G4 (mini)
17:05<albuquerque>ola
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17:06<mdg2>This is getting to be a pretty old G4 -- I need to figure out what it has for specs
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17:07<abrotman>Mine is hte last gen PPC Mini
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17:07<mdg2>Powerpc 7450 with 641 MB?
17:07<abrotman>mine or yours?
17:08<mdg2>abrotman, mine. Would like to have a mini, but this is what I have today
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17:08<mdg2>Kernal is linux 2.6.32-5-powerpc
17:08<abrotman>mdg2: the installatoin manual should tell you if it's supported, I woul dimagine it is.
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17:10<mdg2>abrotman, I remember installing the current system - it took me a while, not being a debian guru. I just want something that does not crawl.
17:10<mdg2>Is there a newby forum for Debian?
17:10<mdg2>or ppc?
17:10<abrotman>this is probably it
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17:11<abrotman>the newer installers are pretty eeasy
17:11<mdg2>what GUI is most popular here?
17:11<mdg2>I mean desktop manager
17:12<sney>!popcon
17:12<dpkg>from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
17:12<centrx>Use XFCE or LXDE or openbox
17:13<mdg2>Any openbox users or fluxbox?
17:13<abrotman>mdg2: I doubt you'd wan tto use Gnome or KDE .. probably try LXDE
17:13<centrx>Especially on an old computer
17:13<Fenhl>what's the difference between --system and the default behavoir on the groupadd command?
17:14<Fenhl>or addgroup
17:14<mdg2>centrx, I would probably go openbox or lxde
17:14<abrotman>okay, so use those
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17:16<mdg2>abrotman, thanks I will.
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17:17<mdg2>Hey, is pithos supported?
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17:17<abrotman>yes, that's in Wheezy
17:18<mdg2>Awesome! That, a webbrowser and a good text editor, oh and file manager.
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17:18<abrotman>LXDE has one of those already
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17:19<mdg2>I'm kinda partial to PCManFM
17:19<abrotman>So use it.
17:21<mdg2>abrotman, its very hard to engage you in conversation
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17:21<abrotman>not much of a conversation, it sounds like you know the tools you already want to use
17:21<mtn>heh
17:22<mdg2>abrotman, yeah, but i've never used them in Debian
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17:22<abrotman>Neither have I ..
17:22<mdg2>What's that saying "You don't know linux until you know debian?"
17:22<abrotman>I expect they'll work similarly to what you've used before
17:22<sney>mdg2: this channel is intended as a support resource, so when you have specific questions or need help setting something up or fixing something, that's what we're for. Opinion questions are usually best answered with "try it and see"
17:23<sney>debian offers you a zillion choices for nearly everything. play around. have fun. find what you like.
17:23<mdg2>sney, Okay. Thanks. My original question was how to fix broken packages, but then things went hawire
17:23<mdg2>haywire
17:24<abrotman>mdg2: right, but we don't support Mint here, it's not Debian
17:24<hutch>Does debian have ubuntuone in the repos?
17:24<ectospasm>mmmm, mint
17:24<mdg2>what about mint chocolate chip icecream?
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17:24<abrotman>hutch: doesn't appear so
17:24<hutch>btw LMDE is debian
17:24<abrotman>no, it is not
17:24<abrotman>if it were Debian, it would be called Debian, not LMDE
17:24<mdg2>uh oh!
17:24<abrotman>This is not up for debate.
17:25<ectospasm>!based on debian
17:25<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
17:25<hutch>ok debian based as opposed to their ubuntu base
17:25<abrotman>Sure, so what
17:25<mdg2>hutch, its a losing battle today
17:25<abrotman>Stil not supported here, let's not have this discussion again
17:25<linuxator>how to get ufs filesystem configured by debian?
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17:26<hutch>is there a debian offtopic channel that can offer support for debian based distros?
17:26<hutch>just curious
17:27<mdg2>hutch, excellent questions
17:27<abrotman>hutch: you ask in the channel fo ryour distro
17:27-!-alsobrsp [~alsobrsp@74.254.16.91] has joined #debian
17:27<abrotman>or try ##linux on irc.freenode.net
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17:28<hutch>abortman I'm using SolydX and there are hardly any users on chat
17:28<abrotman>hutch: then you can try ##linux
17:28<hutch>btw it's irc.spotchat.org for mint
17:28<abrotman>I know what it is
17:28<abrotman>hutch: Do you need help with Debian?
17:29<mdg2>I need help with PPC
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17:29<devil>hutch: soldyx is unstable, you could ask in #siduction
17:29<abrotman>mdg2: yes, have you browsed the installation manual yet?
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17:29<hutch>thanks devil
17:29<mdg2>no, I was watching for fireworks :)
17:30<devil>hutch: np, I am in there
17:30<sney>the "based on debian" fight is the most boring fireworks ever. they look exactly the same every time
17:30*abrotman wonders how they end ..
17:30<mdg2>sney, same with vi an emacs....
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17:31<wheeler>hi! I have one question about sudoers file. I need to grant one privileged user a permission to execute shutdown command with -r parameter and optionally -t parameter. What record should I add to sudoers file?
17:31<mdg2>I'll leave you all in peace now. Thank you all for your guidance.
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17:32<sasa98tx>whois devil
17:32<abrotman>Huh .. They do have internet in Nebraska ..
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17:32<abrotman>beelzebub
17:32<devil>yup
17:33<sney>wheeler: good question, perhaps see if sudoers will let you do e.g. '/sbin/shutdown -{r,t}'
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17:40<ic>Hi, all. I have an interesting problem that I can't solve. Is there anyone who have time to help
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17:40<centrx>!ask
17:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:42<ic>I have problem with nginx/1.2.1 with php5-fpm (5.4.4-14+deb7u8) and chroot on x64 Debian wheezy
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17:44<ic>the problem is in mail sending and I already try sendmail_path option with mini_sendmail and with msmtp
17:45<ic>Interesting is that when I use chroot to chroot in web dir, all mini_sendmail and msmtp are working
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17:47<ic>I use the same php.ini configuration in Apache and sendmail_path option work, but it's not working in nginx
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17:50<erxaz>Trying to start Garrysmod on my server but I end up with this error: http://paste.debian.net/89155/
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17:51<erxaz>I've tried to find a solution using Google for the past hour but no success.
17:51<sney>erxaz: it says it needs glibc 2.15. what debian version are you using?
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17:52<wheeler>sney: I've tried this: user ALL=/sbin/shutdown -r *
17:53<wheeler>and it works
17:53<wheeler>but I'd like to specify optional parameter
17:53<erxaz>sney: I'm using Debian 7
17:53<wheeler>using {-t} doesn't work
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17:53<sney>erxaz: then you only have glibc 2.13
17:53<sney>wheeler: good to know
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17:54<guilherme>I am facing problems with debian sid + kde + bumblebee. Kde was really unistable. This was only fixed by unistalling bumblebee. I noticed that the package libgl1-mesa-dev:amd64 9.2.2-1 was upgraded to 10.1.0-3. I think it could be the problem, since bumblebee may use it. How can I downgrade it?
17:55<sney>erxaz: unfortunately, only debian testing and newer have a recent enough glibc for sourceds/steam stuff
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17:55<sney>guilherme: downgrade is not officially supported, but if it's just one package, get the deb (it may still be in your /var/cache/apt/archives and install it with dpkg -i
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17:56<erxaz>Damnit. Does 7.4 contain it or is there something experimental that's required?
17:56<sney>and hopefully you won't have to manually downgrade many other packages
17:56<guilherme>ok, but how can I check its dependencies?
17:56<guilherme>I think I will have to downgrade some
17:57<sney>guilherme: with apt-cache, read 'man apt-cache' for all the different kinds of info it can give you
17:57<sney>erxaz: only testing (future debian 8) and up
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17:58<sney>testing is usable, if this game server doesn't require 100% uptime you could probably get away with running testing
17:58<guilherme>thanks. I will. Another question, Everytime my apt will try to upgrade those packages again, right
17:58<guilherme>?
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17:58<sney>guilherme: "aptitude hold packagename" and it won't
17:59<guilherme>ok, to unhold them? I hope it will be fixed in future upgrades
17:59<sney>intuitively, 'aptitude unhold'
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18:00<guilherme>ok, thanks
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18:08<xubuntu>hola hablan español?
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18:09<abrotman>!ubuntuirc xubuntu
18:09<SynrG>!ubuntu-es
18:09<dpkg>xubuntu: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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18:17<mdg2>Hello, just a quick note. Downloaded an install cd for PowerPC and am getting ready to install. Anything I should be aware of with the installer?
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18:19<mdg2>okay..... off I go.
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18:20<abrotman>he didn't wait long :)
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18:27<davidfdzgaray>ola
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18:34<guilherme>I faced some issues with bumblebee and kde on debian sid. I downgraded the mesa libs to the Jessie version and it seems to be working properly. So if someone came here with a similar problem, maybe this could be the solution. Thanks for all :)
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19:08<foreverska>I just updated and restarted for you. No problems
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20:18<anth__>I was wondering if someone could help debug as to why my array keeps on disconnecting from my server
20:18<anth__>The array itself is hardware and there doesnt seem to be issues with it when looking at the controller
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20:43<we>Sorry I was disconnected, but is it bad or wrong to download with the tor browser bundle?
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20:44<foreverska>I'd imagine it's secure as any other traffic...
20:45<we>Sorry I know tor isn't supported here I am on both channels and posted in here by mistake so sorry
20:47<foreverska>I was a little confused by your framing of the question... lol
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20:48<DarkUranium>yeah, try that frame next time: http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/antique-frame-227628.jpg
20:48<DarkUranium>much less confusing!
20:48<DarkUranium>anyways, I'll be going, byebye o/
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21:06<cae>some forensic related stuff: I'm accessing the partitions of an image by using 'kpartx -ra', and one of them contains an ext3 fs that didn't get cleanly unmounted. I'd like to keep the image read-only but mount it now
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21:08<cae>dmesg shows 'EXT3-fs (dm-5): recovery required on readonly filesystem' and 'EXT3-fs (dm-5): error: write access unavailable, cannot proceed', so I think it has to be definitely writeable... but is this true?
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21:09<cae>I'm looking a) for a way to do a temporary fsck (or whatever is needed) or b) something like aufs to keep the write changes seperate from the image
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21:58<Ff>I just got a program called websploit and I am havering a bit of trouble getting it installed tried with "dpkg -I websploit" is there another way?
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22:02<LtL>Ff: dpkg -i
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22:13<bushi>problemas de inicio debian
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22:33<mdg2>hello, having boot up issue on powerpc, all asleep in the PPC channel
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22:34<mdg2>fresh install w/o desktop, as linux is booting I get a band of white across the bottom 1/4 of the screen and then screen eventually all goes white. Any ideas?
22:35<cae>mdg2: the installer mentioned something about vbeinfo=? or like this, which should fix (installer related?) 'white screens'
22:36<cae>mdg2: probably this also applies to a running stock kernel
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22:37<mdg2>cae: I don't remember seeing that....
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22:38<mdg2>what can I do at boot prompt
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22:43<mdg2>ppc
22:43<mdg2>!ppc
22:43<dpkg>PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net.
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22:46<mdg2>I'm trying to get to the command prompt
22:46<cae>mdg2: http://paste.debian.net/89179/ ... I meant the 'install video=ofonly' line
22:46<cae>(vbe is a different story, probably not related)
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22:47<cae>this message is displayed when booting from CD before the installer starts up
22:48<mdg2>it it helps, the last line on the screen I can read that is not covered up by white has to do with starting init
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22:55<cae>but I can't find the video= argument anywhere in the installer
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22:55<mdg2>cae: I did not see it any of the three installs I just did :(
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23:02<MasterLoki>m
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23:04<cae>mdg2: looks like that video=ofonly is some yaboot or kernel specific stuff http://sources.debian.net/src/yaboot/1.3.16-4/second/yaboot.c?hl=597#L597
23:04<cae>so you could try to enter it on the usual yaboot prompt
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23:06<mdg2>I have little experience with yaboot, any idea where to begin?
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23:08<mdg2>Is the latest stable wheezy?
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23:09<foreverska>I challenge that Jessie is plenty stable but technically
23:09<cae>mdg2: when the machine boots up, it waits two times. The first time a message like 'c for cdrom' is displayed, but on the second time, you can add boot parameters
23:10<cae>Debian stable == Wheezy, because Jessie isn't released yet
23:10<cae>but 'stable' is relative
23:10<foreverska>stable is a catchphrase lol
23:10<mdg2>cae: I remember seeing the c for cdrom or l for linux
23:10<mdg2>and boot:
23:11<cae>mdg2: I mean exactly that 'boot: ' prompt
23:11<foreverska>Are you the center of a multibillion dollar corporation? No? Jessie is plenty stable and has a lot more features.
23:12<mdg2>cae: okay. What are my options to try?
23:12<cae>mdg2: I haven't tried it myself, but if it works like grub2 on x86, you can add kernel parameters at this point
23:12<cae>probably the 'video=ofonly' one does change anything
23:13<cae>foreverska: well, testing doesn't have security.d.o support, plus it's delayed for at least 10 days
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23:13<cae>foreverska: but this has been discussed multiple times and of course there is no definite 'never use testing' or 'always use stable' recommendation
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23:19<mdg2>Is squeeze still supported?
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23:26<cae>mdg2: I'd say yes: https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140215
23:26<cae>...
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23:32<Marillion>.o0 (It is always worth while asking a question, though it is not always worth while answering one.)
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23:58<us`0gb>I'm looking for a license that acts as a public domain dedication with a fallback option, similar to CC0. However, unlike CC0, which specifically disclaims any grant of patent licenses, I want one that specifically does grant any relevant patent licenses (provided the former rights holder actually had the rights to grant said licenses). Is there a license like that available, or do I need to build one myself?
23:59<centrx>WTFPL
23:59<centrx>http://www.wtfpl.net/about/
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