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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-03-24

---Logopened Mon Mar 24 00:00:44 2014
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00:50<punkunity>does anyone know the LMDE official channel name?
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00:55<centrx>!mint
00:55<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
00:55<centrx>join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support.
00:55<centrx>^
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01:37<Guest4241>Hi.
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01:37<Guest4241>Bye!
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04:01<aSh2shei>I messed up when partitioning the disk and would like to just delete all the partitions and start over again. I'm using the debian-7.4.0-amd64-CD-1.iso in VirtualBox 4.2
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04:02<aSh2shei>But the installer is not deleting the partitions when I go back and select "Guided - use entire disk". I can't delete the partitions manually either.
04:02<jm_>how are you deleting them manually?
04:03<aSh2shei>I selected "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" at first but now I can't get rid of all the partitions that it created.
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04:04<aSh2shei>jm_: I tried selecting "manual" from the disk partitioning menu and managed to delete some partitions at least.
04:04<aSh2shei>I'm using the graphical installer.
04:05<jm_>aSh2shei: switch to tty 2 and delete them using fdisk there (ctrl-alt-f2, fdisk /dev/sd..., delete them, then ctrl-alt-f1 to get back)
04:05<jm_>or maybe it's ctrl-alt-f7, not sure with graphical installer, you can also use ctrl-alt-<right> until you find it
04:05<aSh2shei>jm_: Thanks, I'll try that.
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04:07<aSh2shei>Although I don't know why there isn't some kind of a "wipe everything on the disk and start over" option in the graphical installer menu...
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04:08<jm_>probably to protect people who don't know better from destroying existing installations
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04:08<jm_>because then it would end up as "Debian destroyed everything for me!!!"
04:09<aSh2shei>Good point.
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04:10<aSh2shei>It is giving me interesting error messages, though. http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2014-03-24.png
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04:12<jm_>just reboot and try again
04:12<aSh2shei>Yes, I did that. =)
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04:13<babilen>aSh2shei: Are you sure that you are referring to partitions and not, say, LVM volume groups?
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04:14<aSh2shei>babilen: I think you may be right. I don't know much about LVM...
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04:15<jm_>if it created some volume groups that would explain the error I believe
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04:16<babilen>Hmm, no picture of the "problematic" state so it is hard to say. You have to alter/delete LVM physical volumes, volume groups and logical volumes in a specific "LVM edit mode" in the installer, which also requires you to write changes to the underlying partitions to disk first.
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04:17<aSh2shei>It was probably my mistake. I was trying out all sorts of things in Virtualbox...
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05:12<shurpu>hi there I really need help, Debian is freezing on startup, I can't even switch from a tty to another, please help, more details here: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/217kcx/help_debian_stable_wheezy_freeze_seconds_after/
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05:15<jm_>what's on the screen when it happens?
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05:16<shurpu>jm_: I've take a picture of the problem, it's in the links. here it is however: http://i.imgur.com/JSIBTOb.jpg
05:17<jm_>shurpu: so basically there's nothing else on screen when it freezes? do you have another computer?
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05:18<shurpu>jm_: no I dual boot with my laptop, I'm on Win7 here, I assume the problem is with my network config or something like that since it freeze when the IP is bound
05:18<babilen>shurpu: Can you boot into failsafe / recovery?
05:19<jm_>shurpu: are you sure it always happens at that point?
05:19<babilen>shurpu: What's your GPU and did you configure some specific drivers for it? Did it *ever* boot? Why did you ask reddit for help?!
05:19<shurpu>babilen: hi there Babilen! I remember you from yesterday! :) yes I can boot into failsafe, but I don't know what to do with it.
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05:19<babilen>Looks like a problem with your graphic stack as it most likely happens when X is being started.
05:19<shurpu>jm_: yes I tried rebooting many times and the problem still occurs. what puzzle me is that I think it's crazy that in a system like GNU/Linux the OS can FREEZE and you can't type anything to repair the problem ! :O
05:20<jm_>shurpu: why would that be crazy? it has bugs just like everything else
05:20<shurpu>babilen: I didn't configure any driver at all.
05:20<babilen>shurpu: And it is "babilen" not "Babilen" (use tab completion on nicknames in here: bab<TAB>)
05:20<babilen>shurpu: So, what's your GPU?
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05:21*shurpu looking for his GPU
05:22<babilen>shurpu: I am asking: "What is your graphic card?"
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05:22<shurpu>babilen: yes, AMD Radeon HD 6290 Graphics
05:23<shurpu>but you know, it freeze even before starting Xorg or anything else (I think)
05:23<babilen>shurpu: How did you install Debian? Which image did you use?
05:23<shurpu>it freeze even before being able to log in as an user in fact
05:23<shurpu>babilen: Debian stable "Wheezy" Standard (no DE)
05:23<babilen>Yes, sure. gdm3 (or another display manager) is being started at that point.
05:24<babilen>shurpu: Okay, you are most likely missing firmware as you didn't install from an image that contains it or you forgot to provide it during the installation.
05:25<shurpu>babilen: I already set up my mirrors repository to accept non-free packages, I'm ready to dl what I need! (I think)
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05:26<babilen>shurpu: Please boot into failsafe and edit your sources.list so that it includes non-free (i.e. it looks like: http://paste.debian.net/89395 ) - run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree" .. you could install microcode for your processor while you are at it, do you have an intel or amd cpu?
05:27<shurpu>amd cpu
05:27<babilen>dpkg: microcode
05:27<dpkg>Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode
05:27<babilen>shurpu: So install amd64-microcode in addition to the firmware package. Reboot and tell us how that worked out.
05:28<chaos>can i install google drive from debian rep?
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05:28<shurpu>babilen: thank you. I'll try it right now. See you!
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05:30<pmart>I have a directory with debs and I want to delete "old" ones meaning those for which there's a more recent version present (in the same directory). My quick solution: printf '%s\n' * | while read -r f; do [[ ${f%%_*} = "${prev%%_*}" ]] && rm "$prev"; prev=$f; done Can you help me to make it abide debian version sort? At the moment it follows ascii ordering.
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05:32<jm_>pmart: you can use --compare-versions
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05:35<chaos>google drive, anyone?
05:36<jm_>pmart: sorry, 'dpkg --compare-versions' that is
05:36<pmart>yes I could use dpkg --comapare-versions as comparison for sorting the file list
05:37<babilen>judd: i grive --release=sid
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05:37<judd>Package grive (net, extra) in sid/i386: Google Drive client for GNU/Linux. Version: 0.2.0-1.1; Size: 151.3k; Installed: 579k; Homepage: https://github.com/Grive/grive
05:37<babilen>judd: v grive
05:37<judd>Package: grive on i386 -- jessie: 0.2.0-1.1; sid: 0.2.0-1.1
05:38<babilen>dpkg: tell chaos -about ssb
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05:38<babilen>chaos: Backport it manually by following the instructions our bot sent you, you would have to backport (and install!) libiberty-dev first though
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05:41<chaos>babilen: thanks
05:42<chaos>i acutally have testing installed and grive is in my available package list but it didn't show up when i searched for google :( (aptitude search google)
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05:44<jm_>aptitude search is not the same as apt-cache search AFAIR, you probably want aptitude search ~d google
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05:47<chaos>well... i'll bug you next time i can't find a package cos that ~d google results in MANY matches ... and not including grive
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05:47<babilen>chaos: And also ask in #debian-next or, at least, tell us that you are using testing. That could have saved me some effort.
05:48<chaos>sorry
05:48<babilen>no worries :)
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05:50<shurpu>babilen: I did what you told me, installing non-free and amd64-microcode, I've restarted to test, it's freeze again. Hard reboot, using a wired connection, the startup continue alright. I'm currently uploading a picture of the freezing tty8 (if you want)
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05:53<shurpu>babilen: http://imgur.com/vjgqZRB
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05:53<shurpu>babilen: if I startup without a wired connection the OS freeze, if I startup with a wired connection, everything seems alright.
05:54<babilen>shurpu: Interesting, what's your wireless adaptor and how do you configure it?
05:55<babilen>shurpu: Well, you obviously use /etc/network/interfaces .. could you remove the "auto wlan0" from there and try that?
05:56<SynrG>wired?
05:56<SynrG>not wireless ...
05:57<SynrG>just wondering what the wireless has to do with this
05:57<shurpu>babilen: there is no "auto wlan0" here, but I think I've found something. There is a line mentioning that "eth0 up" is manager by pppoeconf
05:57<jm_>he says the system freezes when wifi card gets an IP or somesuch
05:57<babilen>SynrG: It seems to freeze when the wireless is used (which it might not if the wired is functioning) -- check the screenshot. Not sure *what* the problem is, but lets see ...
05:58<SynrG>ah
05:58<shurpu>babilen: I've thought (erroneously I assume) that pppoeconf was another tool like wicd or networkmanager and that having it on my laptop was redundant, so I removed it
05:58<babilen>shurpu: So, how do you configure your wlan0 ? What's your wireless adaptor (lspci -nn|grep -i network)
05:58<shurpu>babilen: so then, I'll try now to re-install pppoeconf and let's what happens when I reboot without my wired connection. seems good?
05:59<babilen>pppoeconf is used to configure PPPoE ("broadband") connections. It is rarely needed these days (at least in Europe) as you typically use a dedicated modem to connect
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06:00<babilen>shurpu: I won't be able to walk you through this any longer, but please provide updates (in this channel) -- others and i will see them and reply
06:01<shurpu>babilen: lspci -nn|grep -i network ---> print a list of commands like a manual
06:01<shurpu>bramwelt: alright then, thank you for your help anyway
06:01<jm_>what commands?
06:01<shurpu>bramwelt: sorry, wrong message
06:01<babilen>shurpu: It shouldn't - you must have copied it wrongly
06:01<shurpu>babilen: thank you anyway
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06:01<shurpu>babilen: ok I'll look carefully
06:02<babilen>shurpu: You can also just run "lspci -nn" and search for your wireless adaptor in there yourself
06:02<shurpu>you're right, it printed my card
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06:02<shurpu>for which I already installed the non-free firmware yesterday
06:03<shurpu>Atheros AR9485
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06:04<babilen>shurpu: What is the PCIID ? (alphanumerical identifier at the end of that line, looks like [abcd:1234]) Do you need pppoeconfig ?
06:04<babilen>It shouldn't require firmeware btw
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06:04<shurpu>babilen: [168c:0032] (rev 01)
06:04<shurpu>babilen: there is no mention of pppoeconf whatsoever here
06:04<SynrG>badly behaving acpi module for your hardware?
06:05<SynrG>if it bungles the power mgmt somehow ...
06:05<babilen>shurpu: How do you connect to the internet?
06:05<shurpu>babilen: with wicd
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06:05<jm_>:)
06:05<SynrG>did we check dmesg for acpi-related errors?
06:06<shurpu>SynrG: no, how can I do that please?
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06:06<jm_>we haven't gotten that far yet
06:06<babilen>shurpu: No, I mean more general ... How do you connect to your ISP? Do you have a cable modem? I am simply interpreting "babilen: there is no "auto wlan0" here, but I think I've found something. There is a line mentioning that "eth0 up" is manager by pppoeconf"
06:06<babilen>shurpu: Please also note that I neither recommend nor support wicd.
06:06<SynrG>shurpu: continue to follow their advice. i'm just throwing that out there for when they run out of other things :)
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06:07<shurpu>shurpu: I use wi-fi to connect to my box
06:08<shurpu>babilen: wi-fi to connect to my box
06:08<shurpu>babilen: but right now, I'm on wired with a cable yes
06:09<babilen>shurpu: And you connect to your ISP with a (cable) modem/router provided by them? If that is the case you really don't need pppoeconf
06:09<shurpu>babilen: exactly
06:09<shurpu>babilen: so the problem isn't here
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06:11<shurpu>babilen: I'd like to try something. Now that I'm logged and Debian is running, I'll try to connect to my wi-fi now.
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06:11<shurpu>babilen: no worry, thank you for your time.
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06:11<babilen>shurpu: Could you paste your /etc/network/interfaces to http://paste.debian.net ?
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08:46<michealpwalls>'morning, everyone. I'm looking for heat advice on my asus laptop (amd a10 + 1 radeon gpu). At first I thought it was a power-management issue and so I have all 4 cpu cores in powersave mode and also both gpu are forced to the 'low' power profile using sysfsconfig.. Still my laptop is very hot, as though it is in max power and gaming.
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08:46<michealpwalls>The control case is when it runs Win7... It is *cold* to the touch.
08:46<michealpwalls>Running debian 7.4 Wheezy it is extremely hot.
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08:46<michealpwalls>I'm using the open source Radeon drivers, sorry ^
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08:47<zathras>does this also happen when running in full console mode?
08:48<zathras>(not that I have a clue on the cause or solution, but just trying to eliminate or pinpoint the graphics)
08:48<michealpwalls>hrmm, I haven't tried that yet sorry. Should I boot it in 'recovery mode' and let it sit for a long while, perhaps?
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08:48<jm_>did you compare frequencies the core-s are in in both windows and linux?
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08:49<zathras>recovery mode will also not boot other things. why not switch to ctrl+alt+f1 to enter full console before logging into kdm/gdm etc?
08:49<michealpwalls>I have all 4 CPU cores at 1.4ghz, they should operate normally at around ~2.3Ghz
08:49<michealpwalls>Okay, zathras. Good idea thx
08:50<michealpwalls>I'm just concerned it's like my old MacBook Pro (That I sold to get this ASus pc..) where all fan controls were firmware..
08:50<michealpwalls>:/
08:50<zathras>you could also look at lm-sensors and see how they prgress
08:50<zathras>*progress
08:50<jm_>they're at 1.4GHz all the time?
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08:50<michealpwalls>lm-sensors and the sensors detect cannot find any pwm fans, it's all acpii I think
08:51<michealpwalls>Or whatever they are, lm-sensors can't find them
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08:51<michealpwalls>jm_: Yea, using sysfscontrol I have them all stuck at the lowest power profiles possible. All 4 cpu cores and both gpus
08:51<michealpwalls>That was the only way I could get it to stay *this* cold
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08:51<michealpwalls>I'm not concerned about ripping performance, I game on win7. I just want a super reliable development environment here :/
08:51<jm_>michealpwalls: and yet it's still hotter than in windows?
08:52<michealpwalls>Yea, it's really weird no?
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08:52<michealpwalls>I dont' know what to think honestly :S
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08:52<jm_>yeah, the only other options might be fan speed
08:53<michealpwalls>If I use "sensors" right now, it tells me temp1 (acpitz-virtual, I think my main CPU with 4 cores) is 53 degrees celcius and my discrete radeon (The 2nd gpu outside the cpu) is 55 degrees. They're not terribly hot right now, but I literally booted this system and am on xchat LOL
08:53<michealpwalls>By all rights it should be as cold as ice, normally
08:53<zathras>michealpwalls, you could also consider rebooting into windows when the laptop is getting hot and see what parts are hot by reading out the asus tools
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08:53<michealpwalls>Oh that's smart, too!
08:54<michealpwalls>Thank you
08:54<zathras>np
08:54<jm_>try comparing that to what you see in windows - does sensros show any fan speeds?
08:55<michealpwalls>No, sensors can't find any pwm fans. They all seem to be acpi/some other fancy thing
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08:57<michealpwalls>I'm going to hang out in a ctrl+alt+f1 for awhile, see how things develop. Thanks for all the time, everyone!
08:58<jm_>luckily I have no experience with laptops :)
08:58<Macim>I installed debian 6 netboot on an old system
08:58<Macim>since the installer couldn't connect to the internet
08:58<Macim>I did a base install without it
08:59<Macim>However I am still unable to connect to the internet
08:59<Macim>tried both dhcp and static settings
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09:00<Macim>in /etc/network/interfaces
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09:00<zathras>Macim, are the correct drivers for the nic installed?
09:00<Macim>can somebody help me out here?
09:00<jm_>did you also add "auto" lines to the interfaces file?
09:00<zathras>mii-tools can also be beneficial
09:01<Seshmaru>i need help tho it might not be debian related but i have nowhere else to turn
09:01<zathras>and running ifup/down with a -v might also be reveiling
09:01<Macim>@jm_: I followed the instructions from here http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-configuring-network-interface-cards-on-debian/ (auto is present)
09:01<jm_>Macim: then we need more details - what kind of card is it?
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09:02<Macim>let me check ...
09:02<Seshmaru>i'll ask away, maybe it's an easy one
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09:03<Seshmaru>i have an ispconfig3 running my mail on the old server, now i have an ubuntu that has vesta on it, how do i transfer my clients emails to vesta from ispconfig3
09:03<Macim>lspci says : Ethernet controller: Compex RL100-ATX 10/100
09:03<jm_>use lspci -nn
09:04<jm_>and give us the ID ([abcd:fghi] format at the end)
09:04<Macim>Ethernet controller [0200]: Compex RL100-ATX 10/100 [11f6:2011]
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09:06<jm_>judd pciid 11f6:2011
09:06<judd>[11f6:2011] is 'RL100-ATX 10/100' from 'Compex' with kernel module 'winbond-840' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11f6:2011
09:06<jm_>is that driver loaded?
09:06<Macim>how can i check that?
09:06<jm_>lsmod
09:07<zathras>Seshmaru, maybe uou should ask in an ubuntu channel
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09:07<zathras>or a vesta channel if that exists
09:08<zathras>it has indeed nothing to do with Debian
09:09<zathras>as a hint: check for imap tools like "amap + sync " or google on "imap + copy"
09:09<Macim>@jm_ no it isn't listed
09:09<zathras>and see what is available in the ubuntu repositories
09:09<jm_>Macim: ahh wait, you have debian 6.x, right?
09:09<Macim>yes
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09:11<jm_>Macim: you have 2.6.32 kernel right?
09:11<zathras>uname -a
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09:11<Macim>yes
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09:12<jm_>install 3.2 kernel from bpo and you should be sorted
09:12<jm_>!bpo
09:12<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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09:12<michealpwalls>Temperature continues to rise in a full-screen console (I'm ~uUsing ircII right now)
09:13<zathras>kinky. He does not have a inet connection and this will probably lead to a cascade of dependencies and updates
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09:14<zathras>michealpwalls, I fear jm_ might be right and that it is fan related
09:14<Macim>My other system has windows only ... where can I download 3.2 from?
09:15<michealpwalls>Going to continue to let the temp rise and then switch to windows and run speedfan
09:15<zathras>only things besides that I can think about is resource usage (top) from the CPU, extensive diskusage or the GPU being very busy
09:16<jm_>Macim: http://packages.debian.org/ will be the easiset, search for linux-image
09:16<michealpwalls>What if my BIOS defaults all fans to lowest possible rpm and Windows' firmware cranks them up? Without the firmware they would stay default to low maybe?
09:17<jm_>but like zathras said, you might need some extra packages
09:17<gsimmons>jm_: Sure that Linux 3.2 is required here? winbond-840 is a fairly old driver.
09:17<gsimmons>judd: pciid 11f6:2011 --release squeeze
09:17<judd>[11f6:2011] is 'RL100-ATX 10/100' from 'Compex' with kernel module 'winbond-840' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11f6:2011
09:17<zathras>could be. Usually the Redmond policy is: we know best and do not care what others/the user wants
09:17<michealpwalls>LOL Zathras
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09:18<zathras>The problem with a kernel update is usually a requirement to update libc6 as well. And that will likely cause a tsunami of updates
09:19<michealpwalls>Yea.. the library blockers :(
09:19<zathras>so if you can prevent that from happening, like gsimmons suggested, you would be better of imho
09:19<michealpwalls>gcc and libc get you everytime :P
09:19<zathras>especially on old limited systems
09:19<Macim>I had tried the liveCD of Linux Mint Debian (the latest version) and the network worked only when I booted in "compatibility mod"
09:19<Macim>mod = mode
09:20<michealpwalls>I ran centOS for awhile, ran into an update fiasco like that hehe
09:20<zathras>in which case you could also consider installing a newer debian from CD/USBstick etc all together
09:20<jm_>gsimmons: actually you are right, and moronic me looked in package list for linux-image-2.6-686, not linux-image-2.6.32-5-686
09:20<jm_>goot catch
09:20<zathras>Macim, Mint is not debian
09:20<jm_>but then why is the module not loaded
09:21<jm_>Macim: try loading the module manually (modprobe)
09:21<Macim>@zathras - they have a debian edition
09:21<zathras>Yes. I know. It is still not Debian
09:22<zathras>A Braun razor can be designed by Porsche, but still it will not get me past the speed limit :P
09:22<zathras>(which is a very wrong comparison in many ways)
09:22<michealpwalls>Mint veries greatly from Debian.. Ubuntu is a "fork" of the Debian distribution and then people "forked" Ubuntu to create Mint..
09:23<michealpwalls>So you can imagine there's a large gap...
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09:23<zathras>Mint tends to be based on the very latest software
09:23<michealpwalls>You'rebetter off to stay with Debian, haha
09:23<zathras>which some people consider experimental ;-)
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09:23<michealpwalls>Yes, without much thought as to th consequences of packing in the latest, bleeding edge software. This is why I really idsliked both Ubuntu and Mint.
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09:24<zathras>yet it has a nice GUI and is therefor compeling to new users. How will have more issues with experimental sw than experienced users wand there is in my point of view the big problem in Mint
09:24<zathras>and in a lesser extend Ubuntu
09:24<michealpwalls>They moved from init, to a transitional period where people had whatever they felt like having at the time, to officially switching to "Upstart" (Which Canonical wrote themselves) until now deciding to swith *again* to SystemD... Gah. Ubuntu drives me insane :/
09:24<zathras>but this channel is not intended for advocacy disputes
09:24<michealpwalls>Sorry, off topic ;)
09:25<zathras>well, I started it. I am to blame
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09:25<michealpwalls>More on topic... I heard Valve gave Debian developers free access to their [Valve's] games?!
09:25<michealpwalls>Is that true, or hype?
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09:26<jm_>true
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09:26<jm_>michealpwalls: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/01/msg00006.html
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09:26<zathras>michealpwalls, well, I am not sure about the current status, but Valve released there eco system (steam) for Debian/Ubuntu and 1 free game
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09:27<zathras>*their
09:27<michealpwalls>That is definately cool!
09:27<Macim>They claim it is based on debian testing ...
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09:27<michealpwalls>At least they give back :)
09:28<michealpwalls>Maybe they can fix my fi
09:28<zathras>steam did install on Wheezy iirc
09:28<michealpwalls>sorry ^
09:28<michealpwalls>Getting used to ircii LOL
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09:29<michealpwalls>my gpu is at 59 degrees but the cpu is leveling off. So I think it's definately coming from the "discrete" gpu (Radeon HD 7670M, using the latest open source Radeon drivers)
09:29<michealpwalls>*kicks dirt* why do I always pick the lemons :(
09:29<zathras>maybe there is a mailinglist or a forum about that driver development?
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09:30<Macim>@jm_ is this the driver - /kernel/drivers/net/tulip/winbond-840.ko ?
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09:30<jm_>Macim: yeah, but you don't need to know where it is, just modprobe winbond-840
09:30<zathras>probably. just give it a try Macim
09:31<michealpwalls>It's a rock<-->hardPlace because when I run fglrx then heat isn't as bad.. But the power-management makes the laptop completely unesable for my day (I'm moving around a lot and have to close/open lid, hibernate etc. and fglrx isn't totaly unreliable)
09:31<michealpwalls>It *is* unreliable, I meant to say :P
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09:32<Macim>ok lsmod now shows the winbond
09:32<jm_>michealpwalls: yeah, it's one of those things that often works better with newer kernel/driver combination
09:32<jm_>and you also see eth0 in: ls /sys/class/net
09:32<jm_>?
09:33<Macim>yes eth0 and lo
09:33<jm_>ok then try ifup -a
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09:33<Macim>didn't get any message
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09:34<jm_>but do you have an IP now? 'ifconfig eth0'
09:34<zathras>but what about a connection? :P
09:34<jm_>yeah that's the next thing you should check
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09:35<Macim>I have configured a static ip
09:35<Macim>and it shows that
09:35<Macim>it did before too
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09:35<Macim>but pinging the gateway doesn't work
09:35<Macim>host unreachbable
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09:36<jm_>well check at your IP and netmask, but I have to go now
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09:36<gsimmons>Macim: You might need to provide one (or all) of "noapic noapci irqpoll" on the kernel command line, based on your earlier LMDE compatibility mode comment.
09:36<zathras>Macim: ifdown -v eth0 followed by a ifup -v eth0
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09:37<zathras>also check syslog
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09:38<zathras>and mii-tools might be usefull to to reset the nic
09:38<zathras>*too to
09:38<Macim>ifdown:interface eth0 not configured
09:38<Macim>ifup: interface eth0 already configured
09:38<michealpwalls>noacpi*
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09:42<zathras>Macim, pump is also a nice tool to check dhcp connections
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09:42<arminic>@gsimmons: not familiar with kernel command line. will look that up ...
09:43<arminic>thanks for the tip
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09:45<Seshmaru>erm.. anyone?
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09:46<Seshmaru>i have an ispconfig3 running my mail on the old server, now i have an ubuntu that has vesta on it, how do i transfer my clients emails to vesta from ispconfig3
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09:55<zathras>Seshmaru, I answered your question more or less
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09:56<zathras>I would also focus on the mailservers and so much on the distribution they are running on
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09:57<michealpwalls>*sigh* well, I've definately isolated the source of the heat to my 2nd gpu
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09:59<zathras>michealpwalls, good to know that the issue is clear now. However that still leaves a desirable solution. Hope it will come
09:59<zathras>I am sure the driver developers would love to have your feedback
10:00<michealpwalls>mmm, I'll try to find something useful ;)
10:00<Seshmaru>could you re-paste the answer
10:00<Seshmaru>cant seem to find it
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10:03<Seshmaru>zathras
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10:06<zathras>Seshmaru, you were right. This has nothing to do with Debian, so you should try a Debian or ISP3 channel or even a Vespia if such a channel exists. As a hint: check for imap tools like "imap + sync " or google on "imap + copy"
10:06<zathras>*try an Ubuntu or Vespia
10:07<zathras>*Vesta
10:07<Seshmaru>imap contains all the data?
10:07<Seshmaru>sry im kinda new to this stuff
10:07<Seshmaru>emails and email accounts?
10:07<arminic>@gsimmons: I added the noapic irqpoll and pci=noacpi options from grub and booted. Still no network.
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10:07<zathras>Seshmaru, yes, likely. I am not familiar with the products you mention but probably under the hood it runs an IMAP server of somekind
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10:08<zathras>telnet to port 143 might give you a pointer
10:08<arminic>I am Macim from before -- for some reason I was asked to change my nick ...
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10:08<Seshmaru>hmm
10:08<Seshmaru>okay, thank you very much for the support
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10:10<zathras>Seshmaru, what the answers focusses on: there are tools that allow you to transfer mails from server A to server B if both are imap servers. You should study these tools
10:11<zathras>some of them might even be available in you new distros repository
10:11<zathras>*your
10:12<zathras>hmm. Many typos. sorry about that
10:12<arminic>@zathras: Any more suggestions? (Macim from before) ...
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10:13<zathras>arminic, have you try to reboot? (A bit a window-ish answer :P )
10:13<zathras>*tried
10:14<zathras>I should try to stop doing 5 things at 3 desks at the same time :-(
10:14<arminic>:) Yep. Rebooted both the pc and the router too ...
10:15<arminic>Could it be a configuration issue, since lsmod shows the driver is loaded ... ?
10:15<zathras>I would set the network back to dhcp
10:15<zathras>did you install mii-tools?
10:15<arminic>no ...
10:16<arminic>oh it is installed
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10:17<arminic>what do I do with it?
10:17<zathras>or ethtool which is slightly more modern
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10:17<arminic>don't have ethtool but mii-tool is there ...
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10:18<zathras>arminic, after the reboot, is the winbond driver still there?
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10:18<arminic>yes
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10:19<arminic>does a hostname have to have .com or .net etc?
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10:19<Rylai>no
10:19<zathras>no
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10:19<zathras>https://anothersysadmin.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/mii-tools-is-deprecated-use-ethtool/
10:20<zathras>http://www.netadmintools.com/html/mii-tool.man.html
10:20<arminic>The thing is, without a network it is a pain in the ass to install anything :(
10:20<zathras>as you can see, you can get extra information about network interfaces from there
10:20<zathras>as well as the ability to reset a nic
10:21<arminic>ok let me try restting it and see if that helps
10:21<zathras>Uhm. I know. I still remember the days of installing Linux on 386/486 with (corrupt) floppies. So do not get me started ;-)
10:22<arminic>Since the driver is loaded, how can we verify if the issue is because of the driver or the configuration?
10:23<arminic>I am not so old, but yeah, I too get pissed when scratched cd-roms give me trouble ... wouldn't know what to do without pen drives :)
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10:24<zathras>with above mentioned tools you can check details about the link which is a lower network layer than the tcp/ip config you are refering to. If the link itself is ok we can work from there
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10:25<zathras>you could probably also verify things in /proc but I would have to look up details about that myself. No time atm
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10:26<arminic>A doubt - when I /etc/init.d/networking start it also says
10:27<arminic>DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 inter n
10:27<arminic>where n is some number
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10:27<arminic>why is that ip address used? (255.255.255.255)
10:28<ncl>that's the netmask
10:28<weasel>actually, that's the broadcast address.
10:28<ncl>er, oops, that's the broadcast I mean
10:28<zathras>it is a broadcast over all IPv4 addresses to pick up any DHCP offer available
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10:28<arminic>Shouldn't it be getting the DHCP from the gateway?
10:29<arminic>the router ...
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10:33<zathras>arminic, usually the router is also the DHCP server. But the PC does not know upfront the address of the router and/or the network/netmask of it
10:33<zathras>anyway: what are the results from mii-tool and/or ethtool
10:34<zathras>and from looking at what happens in dmesg/syslog?
10:34<arminic>let me check ..
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10:35<michealpwalls>Hrmm
10:36<zathras>wb ;-)
10:36<michealpwalls>thx! :)
10:36<michealpwalls>Still fighting the good fight ;)
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10:36<michealpwalls>I'm wondering, is upgrading this 3.2 kernel supported on Debian Wheezy? Or is that sorta frowned upon? hehe
10:37<arminic>dmesg: etho: Setting 100MBit-full-duplex based on MII#1 eth0: no IPv6 routers present
10:37<zathras>would love to say the same thing here. I am strugiing with some excuse for an OS from the ones who brought us edlin :-(
10:37<michealpwalls>If I can upgrade to 3.11 or above I can try using dpm to manage this radeon gpu's power. Maybe I will get better cooling than this profile management that's in use now?
10:37<michealpwalls>Oh now, Zathras. That sounds like inhumane treatment? :)
10:38<arminic>mii-tool i reset both the configuration and restarted autonegotiation
10:38<arminic>but it didn't seem to have helped
10:38<zathras>MS did not sign the Genevian confention so I presume I cannot blame them. Or if I was living in the US, sue them
10:38<michealpwalls>hehe!
10:40<zathras>arminic, I am affraid I cannot help you further unless I get more information (from logs... ?)
10:40<michealpwalls>I have to do a little presentation today, but once I'm done that I'm going to upgrade this kernel whether Wheezy likes it or not (giggle)
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10:40<michealpwalls>Or ruin this install, either way!
10:41<zathras>michealpwalls, in my experience if I have to manualy upgrade too many things it is worth considering a dist upgrade
10:42<michealpwalls>mm, should I try a testing release of Debian do you think? I'm using Wheezy 7.4 right now
10:42<michealpwalls>Lemme check the site actually
10:42<michealpwalls>:P
10:42<poobuntu>i got a problem with my machine
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10:42<michealpwalls>haha poobuntu, what's the problem? :)
10:42<arminic>@zathras: let me get back to you on that ...
10:43<poobuntu>someone installed ubuntu
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10:43<michealpwalls>(rofl)
10:43<poobuntu>now i want get rid of it
10:43<Tab>hello, can i talk spanish in this channel?
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10:43<Tab>is my first time in irc debian
10:43<poobuntu>tab i is not in this channel
10:44<babilen>dpkg: es
10:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:44<Tab>ok thank you poobuntu, do you know some channel in spanish about debian?
10:44<poobuntu>esbunghole is another channel afaik
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10:44<michealpwalls>I wonder (I haven't done it, so don't try it please :P) if you could simply install Debian overtop of an Ubuntu install, without formatting the drive? :S
10:44-!-mode/#debian [-o babilen] by babilen
10:44<Tab>thank you dpkg
10:45<babilen>poobuntu: Please play elsewhere
10:45<trico>can someone help me with a bash script problem? i need my script to wait until a certain section of code has finished to exit if CTRL+C is pressed, then run a clean up command or function. ive found the second part, but i cant figure out how to make the script wait for exit
10:45<michealpwalls>You would probably be better off to maybe shrink the drive, create a new drive from free-space, install debian in the new drive, move your data from the old drive to the new, remove the old drive and expand the new one to consume the rest of the disk's space.
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10:45<michealpwalls>LOL at least that way you wont risk ubuntu/debian crazyness
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10:48<babilen>trico: There is #bash on irc.freenode.net
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10:49<michealpwalls>oh my goodness that was easy (apt-cache search linux-image) HEHE!
10:50<trico>babilen: thanks. no one seems to be in it though
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10:51<babilen>trico: There are around 880 people in #bash on irc.freenode.net (not here on OFTC!!)
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10:52<trico>ok, ill try that room
10:53<zathras>any export on i-nodes? I keep running out of them although I have plenty of free diskspace. No idea why
10:53<zathras>*expert
10:53<zathras>it is /var (ext3)
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10:57<michealpwalls>Hrmm
10:57<michealpwalls>aptitude wants to remote initramfs-tools in order to upgrade the kernel from 3.2 to 3.13. That doesn't sound right, does it? :S
10:57<michealpwalls>Meh, we'll see what happens :P
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11:03<michealpwalls>61 and 65 degrees :(
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11:05<babilen>dpkg: tell michealpwalls -about bat
11:06<zathras>hmm. Bind is the culprit. It has started to log an awfull lot of things all split over many files (486k+ of them) with names like: update_debug.log.4.4.4.4.1.1.1.1 spanning the entire IPv4 range. Very strange
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11:07<michealpwalls>Thx babs, will report anything that goes wrong ;)
11:07<michealpwalls>So far it's going smoothly (With Apitutde) with only a few warnings about font directories. Going to reboot and see. Cross your fingers! :)
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11:09<zathras>anyone any idea what might have caused bind to suddenly start with this behaviour? (running sarge)
11:10<zathras>euh. Lenny
11:10<apachepost>hi trico we're bashing it up in #bash almost everyday, just be patient, some really smart folks around but also working
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11:11<apachepost>trico i gave up on freenode, nobody would ever give me a cloak
11:11<babilen>apachepost: That really isn't on-topic in here ;)
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11:11<_nedr>hello guys.. just out of curiosity.. when searching for Ian Murdock on google, google image search shows in related seraches very NSFW pics of some Debra Lynn (according to wiki his ex) ? Does anyone know the story behind that?
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11:12<michealpwalls>Hey, interesting progress now!
11:12<apachepost>babilen right, back on topic. :D
11:12<michealpwalls>With th 3.13 kernel sensors is showing temp. readouts from 4 devices instead of 2. Although one device ("radeon-pci-0100") is reading "-128.0 C"
11:12<michealpwalls>Which clearly cannot be right
11:13<michealpwalls>In fact, temps are going down! yay I haven't seen 48 degrees yet on linux (hifive)
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11:14<michealpwalls>I'm excited and encouraged now... Finally, progress! Plus the boot error about "[Firmware_bug] IBS, -22" is gone as well :)
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11:17<babilen>michealpwalls: You might want to install some microcode too (/msg dpkg microcode)
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11:19<michealpwalls>I think I had previously installed the amd microcode. Thx!
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11:23<michealpwalls>Oh, good call babs! hehe it's installing now (Must have missed it (blush))
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11:25<sergey>hi there
11:26<michealpwalls>brb
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11:47<Pimentinha>How can I configure a network in Debian using two virtual machines in VMware (PCs) + one router using one virtual machine?
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12:13<stelicho>Hi all, I was wondering if there is a way to test a graphics card in debian?
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12:14<lostson>stelicho: if you are looking for framerates and you can run glxgears
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12:16<stelicho>Not framerates, I'm looking to test if the card is damaged. I think it maybe over heating
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12:34<ChefDoge>I'm building a new PC. are most packages available for AMD?
12:35<abrotman>yes
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12:35<ChefDoge>I need to decide to go with intel or amd and compatibility is an important factor since I love debian
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12:35<abrotman>I don't understand?
12:35<abrotman>You mean i386 vs amd64 packages? or you mean the actual cpu?
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12:36<ChefDoge>I mean, will I have issues with AMD hardware (CPU, motherboard, etc...)
12:36<ChefDoge>Actual CPU
12:36<abrotman>the number of packages won't be different
12:36<abrotman>as for your actual hardware problems, we can't know that.
12:36<abrotman>the Intel64/X86_64/amd64 are all the same
12:36<abrotman>!x86_64
12:36<dpkg>amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
12:37<ChefDoge>I just want to avoid any compatibility headaches down the road
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12:38<ChefDoge>So there are no separate compiled packages for AMD hardware? abrotman
12:38<abrotman>no
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12:38<abrotman>it's all X86_64/amd64/whateversillynameintelgivesitthisweek
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12:39<marco_>Hi! I just followed a link on https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard to an irc channel #nvidia
12:39<ChefDoge>why amd64
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12:39<ChefDoge>!why amd64
12:39<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64
12:39<marco_>however, it the channel says "Channel modes: no messages from outside, topic protection" and there is only one person there
12:39<marco_>not sure is a person though
12:40<ChefDoge>!why not amd64
12:40<dpkg>Some applications developed specifically for i386 need special ia32 support libraries and as such may not work properly or at all on Debian AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 instead.
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12:40<marco_>so anyone knows the right irc channel for nvidia on devian
12:40<ChefDoge>abrotman, so I can run Debian i386 on AMD hardware right?
12:40<abrotman>ChefDoge: please msg the bot
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12:40<ChefDoge>ok
12:40<ChefDoge>sorry
12:40<abrotman>ChefDoge: you can, but unles you have less than 3GB RAM, it's rather silly
12:41<ChefDoge>I think I remember having issues with firefox or something
12:41<abrotman>ChefDoge: try it and see
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12:42<ChefDoge>any site/resource I can use to choose a linux compatible motherboard?
12:42<ChefDoge>You know, sounds, ethernet, etc out of the box
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12:47<marco_>I have an nvidia card, and after installing the nvidia proprietary drivers, I still get "No NVIDIA GPU detected." from nvidia-detect (already checked the version)
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12:49<marco_>it is a GeForce GT 745M. Anyone knows about such a problem?
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13:23<linux_user>what file causes this error >>> Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.PermissionsInvalid: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct
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13:27<che_>How do I customize APT settings (specifically apt http proxy) during installation?
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13:27<che_>I'm at the apt mirror selection installer page - can I just modify the settings I want in /target/etc/apt?
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13:28<linux_user>che_ i would only know manuelly ... /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:31<che_>linux_user: but the / of the installation is mounted at /target when the installer is running, so should I work in /etc/apt (which is installer) or /target/etc/apt (which is the system that is being installed)
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13:31<che_>ah, there is no /etc/apt, so I guess the installer would chroot into /target before it installs packages?
13:32<linux_user>che_ yes chroot'd iirc
13:32<che_>excellent, lets see how this works
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13:33<linux_user>anyone know what file is "suid" in this error message. >>> /etc/apt/sources.list
13:33<linux_user>oooops
13:33<linux_user>anyone know what file is "suid" in this error message. >>> Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.PermissionsInvalid: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct
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13:37<linux_user>howto set lines/columns in tty console ? defalts to 48X170 fonts too small too read i would like to change the default to something like 30X100 , the boot options vga= have no affect. any thoughts ?
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13:41<petn-randall>I've booted the installer with a network console, and I need to copy a kernel module over to continue installation. Apparently scp doesn't work with the way the network console is set up. Any easy way around this?
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13:43<petn-randall>Ah, I have netcat on the installer, that should do.
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13:48<Miika->Hello, how could I setup dns for local domains (like, example.local)?
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13:49<urzo>Miika-: there's /etc/hosts
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13:50<urzo>wouldnt use .local
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13:50<urzo>Miika-: see also avahi-daemon and libnss-mdns
13:50<urzo>for automatic .local names
13:50<Miika->urzo: I know, but I have tried setting up my environment like this: http://blog.evan.pro/how-to-set-up-dynamic-virtual-hosts-for-web-development But cannot get it to work
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13:53<urzo>Miika-: did you try using something other than .local ? .local is special and supposed to be reserved for link local addresses i think
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13:54<nick_>Hi, With debian live can I do customizations of the live disc like adding other filesystems or other programs before the build is done as reading the live builder manual it all talks about making the changes in configuration files but I like to make some changes by hand is this possible?
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13:54<Miika->urzo: thanks a lot, tried .dev and it worked :)
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14:03<CyberGhost>hay
14:04<petn-randall>,pciid 9005:028c
14:04<judd>[9005:028c] is 'Series 7 6G SAS/PCIe 3' from 'Adaptec' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'aacraid' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=9005:028c http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins
14:04<petn-randall>... how do I know which kernel version supports this now?
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14:07<che_>how can I tell if swap is required? I have some old loggers with CF storage and 256mb of ram. after a couple years in the field, they fail. I'm setting up new cards for them and will use common SSD options, but I'm not sure if I can do away with the swap
14:07<che_>256mb isn't a lot...
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14:11<centrx>che_, Generally, it makes sense to always have swap.
14:11<centrx>che_, If you have little RAM, you need swap. If you have a lot of RAM, you probably have a lot of disk space too, might as well use some swap.
14:11<centrx>che_, 256MB should have swap
14:12<che_>yeah if it was 512 i might be able to get away with it (not really running anything except a simple logging application)
14:12<che_>but 256 is pretty slim - i'm trying to weigh the cost of having to replace failed CF cards every year or two versus possible issues with not enough ram
14:13<che_>god these machines suck :(
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14:36<fubuntu>if my laptop won't stay slept, where should i look to determine why? whether i use the menu to tell it to hibernate, or suspend, the screen goes off for a second, and then it comes back up at the authentication gui. if i close the lid, i hear the fan come on, repeatedly, as it tries to wake up and cycles
14:38<che_>likely irrelevant, but when my laptop is asleep, if I hit/bump it accidentally it wakes - but it doesn't do this when booted to windows or mac, so I assume it's paying attention to some sensor that the other OSes are not paying attention to
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14:39<fubuntu>i don't think this laptop has any special accelerometers, or anything. it's from about 06
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14:41<fubuntu>since i'm still connected, i'd assume the screen is only going dark in a courtesy typpe of way, to pretend it's doing what i want
14:41<michealpwalls>Oh man.. My laptop is actually cold to the touch now!
14:41<michealpwalls>This is fantastic!
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14:42<fubuntu>well, i'spose i'll come around later
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14:48<musca>michealpwalls: what did you change?
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14:49<michealpwalls>musca: Upgraded the kernel to 3.13 and enabled dpm as the power-management method (Instead of dynpm and profile)
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15:12<dottedmag>How does one noninteractively reconfigure package? I have tried to $ echo postfix postfix/mynetworks string a.b.c.d/e | sudo debconf-set-selections
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15:12<dottedmag>And then dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical debconf, but it causes dpkg-reconfigure to use some default value instead.
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15:14<sgcb>I think I'm missing a fonts package... Does anyone know what fonts are commonly used around the web?... twitter, for example, does not render (i think) 0xf151, 0xf152, 0xf147, 0xf150, 0xf058
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15:32<louiemat>has anyone used PointLinux?
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15:34<louiemat>is this the right board for Point linux questions
15:34<towo`>no
15:35<louiemat>what is the right board
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15:35<towo`>this is an irc channel, not a board
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15:36<abrotman>louiemat: this is the correct channel for Point Linux
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15:37<louiemat>abrotman thank you I juyst installed it and I have a few questions about it
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15:38<abrotman>!point
15:38<dpkg>http://pointlinux.org/ or #pointlinux.org@irc.freenode.net
15:38<abrotman>still no the right placer
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15:39<darthlinux>today is my first day using Linux :D feels great
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15:39<vincent_>hi
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15:40<vincent_>hello
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15:40<darthlinux>how can I install a gtk theme for xfce (wheezy)?
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15:42<vincent_>try #debian-xfce
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15:44<DNS>this chan is empty in oftc unfortunetly
15:44<DNS>but freenode has such as chan
15:44<DNS>i mean #debian-xfce
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15:48<vincent_>I want to use fakeroot-ng. How do I configure /dev/shm without noexec ?
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15:55<urzo>why'd oftc split from freenode
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15:56<urzo>i remember irc.debian used to point at freenode
15:57<peterS>that was a lot of years ago
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15:58<centrx>Mostly it was drama.
15:58<peterS>anyway I don't know all the reasons oftc formed but there was definitely some disagreement with the way OPN / freenode / PDPC was operated, back in the day
15:58<SynrG>certain key members of the administration of freenode insisted on a style of interaction with the community that many people found irritating
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15:58<peterS>when lilo was alive
15:58<SynrG>sparking the move to create a new network, OFTC
15:58<SynrG>many of the ircops of the new network were debian people
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15:59<SynrG>one feature of that conflict was lilo's fundraising through global notices
15:59<peterS>that was the most visible feature of the conflict in fact
15:59<SynrG>to support himself working on freenode full time
15:59<Nikon>guys
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15:59<SynrG>and sorry, this really belongs on #debian-offtopic :)
15:59<Nikon>is there anyway to make machines nodes?
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16:00<peterS>'make machines nodes'? what do you mean?
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16:00<peterS>what is a node in your context?
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16:00<SynrG>my machines are in a network. they are de facto nodes
16:00<Nikon>cluster them
16:00<SynrG>so yes, this needs clarification :)
16:00<peterS>ok, new question: what is a 'cluster' in your context?
16:00<SynrG>of course. but what do you mean by cluster? :)
16:00<SynrG>hehe
16:01<Nikon>I've got two servers, can them to work in tandem?
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16:01<peterS>ok new new question. what is 'work' in your context?
16:01<peterS>I'm kind of being a smartass but I'm kind of being serious. you have to know what you need to cluster these machines _for_
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16:02<rfree>about oftc, well, I know from friends, that new freenode operator tried to steal the #linux channel after Leio was hit by that car
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16:02<Nikon>more for ease of operation, but mainly for webservices, maybe uPnp
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16:02<rfree>personally I'm happy that #debian is here, also because oftc happens to be tor friendly
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16:03<SynrG>Nikon: what we're driving at is that there are many ways of dividing a given computing task across multiple machines ...
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16:03<SynrG>Nikon: so it *entirely* depends on the nature of work as to how you go about it
16:03<peterS>sounds like he wants HA
16:03<SynrG>mpd is a completely different solution than, say, web load balancing
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16:03<Nikon>any way to do it at the os level?
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16:04<SynrG>"at the os level" is a meaningless qualification
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16:06<SynrG>there are many layers and many components of an OS ...
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16:06<centrx>OS is kernel only!
16:06<peterS>now if you just want to do it in the TCP/IP stack, you can maintain a virtual IP that is provided by whichever of the 2 nodes is up at any given time
16:06<peterS>centrx: unless it's the GNU/Linux OS (:
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16:08<peterS>the virtual IP could be done with keepalived (a package in Debian) which implements VRRP, which is one protocol for doing a high-availability shared IP
16:08<urzo>i dont normally think of os as being just the kernel
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16:09<peterS>and keepalived in concert with ipvsadm and the kernel IPVS layer can dynamically NAT inbound connections in a load-balanced way
16:09<peterS>there are other HA stacks, that's just the one I've deployed in the past
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16:11<peterS>(I mean, it's the kernel IPVS layer doing the dynamic NAT load-balancing, keepalived and ipvsadm just maintain the configuration and monitor the services to take machines out of rotation if their services aren't up)
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16:18<Nikon>im more looking at having them work together because of their low specs
16:20<SynrG>Nikon: well, how big is your user base? how heavily are the services used?
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16:20<peterS>well you mentioned web services. web services are not usually something you can cluster algorithmically the way you do with, say, finite element analysis
16:20<SynrG>or is this mostly educational?
16:20<Nikon>Mostly for my benifit
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16:21<Nikon>blah
16:21<peterS>with web services I'd think you would run identical services on both machines and then load-balance them with IPVS according to number of active connections
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16:21*SynrG nods
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16:22<peterS>_or_... you could just split your load into separate roles - basically 2 different hostnames serving 2 subsets of your content. doesn't get you high-availability and the load balancing is not as even, but it's easier to set up and easier to understand
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16:22<Nikon>well, I usually ssh in to my pc's but unless I change what port the others run on I can only really have one SSH
16:23<Nikon>im wondering if i can connect via one pc and tell it to tunnel to another locally?
16:23<peterS>nothing wrong with maintaining a pile of forwarded ports so you can ssh to any machine, directly, on a single IP
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16:23<peterS>also yes, there's lots of ways to do ssh tunneling with a jump host
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16:38<ro>Hello, my touchpad has just stopped working. This has happened before and I remember executing something about Xorg to fix it, could someone help me?
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16:49<gruetzkopf>meh
16:49<gruetzkopf>how can i get debian-installer to "forget" the lvm config so i can start over?
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17:02<ewerton>hello, I need a client-twitter for my Debian 7...
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17:22<Nikon>stable is wheezy right?
17:22<ewerton>yes
17:22<Nikon>okie dokie
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17:33<Nikon>uhhh
17:33<Nikon>so one more thing
17:34<Nikon>I've got this package
17:34<Nikon>and its pretty massive
17:34<Nikon>but I'm not sure how do get it on to debian, Its Red Hat/Fedora and is using yum
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17:35<Madhatter_>What is the deference betwean git and wget
17:36<Nikon>Madhatter_: wget is meant for downloads from general web
17:36<Nikon>git is for git repos
17:36<Madhatter_>What about git
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17:36<supaman>Nikon: if it is an rpm package you can try the alien program to install it
17:36<Madhatter_>Ok
17:36<ewerton>please, i need a twitter client for debian 7 wheezy...
17:37<Nikon>supaman: apparently we have rpm in the debian repos...
17:37<Madhatter_>I haven't had the chance to learn to use non of the two as of yet bit there was something I was wanting to download and the site had the command for git on it
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17:38<supaman>Nikon: we do? I did not know about that. But as far as I know then apt does not handle rpm
17:38<Nikon>supaman: we have yum too
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17:38<supaman>Nikon: huu, so we do .. just found it with apt-cache
17:39<Nikon>Honestly i never thought to check but i guess its there
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17:40<supaman>ewerton: just search through the packages with apt-cache and take a pick of some client
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17:42<Nikon>anyone wanna tell me if I try and install something from a fedora/ RHEL repo how badly that will end?
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17:47<LtL>Nikon: more than likely, bad
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18:11<oubchid>Bonsoir à tous
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18:13<oubchid>re,Bonsoir, je souhaite savoir s'il y a des projets à traduire
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18:17<Brigo>!fr
18:17<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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18:20<sysvalve>!es
18:20<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:20<sysvalve>: D
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18:27<_-------waposurfista30-_>hello guys, the first .. thanks for debian.. i love this operative system
18:28<_-------waposurfista30-_>I have one question
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18:29<centrx>!ask
18:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:29<_-------waposurfista30-_>I have 64Gb of RAM I would like to load my instalation debian Jessie to RAM , this is posible ¿?
18:29<centrx>Also fix your nick
18:30<abrotman>that's so vague ..
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18:31<Surfista30>!ask
18:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:35<Surfista30>how to load my debian wheezy to ram ? I need a howto...
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18:41<planetmaker>Surfista30, maybe https://wiki.debian.org/ramfs is for you?
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18:42<planetmaker>or one of the links in the bottom?
18:42<Surfista30>yes
18:42<devil_>Surfista30: two words will find it in 3 seconds on google. toram debian
18:42<Surfista30>ok
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18:43<Surfista30>I need a recipe
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18:43<devil_>*sigh*
18:44<Surfista30>I am going to try
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18:44<Surfista30>thank so much
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19:02<Nikon>If I have an entire directory of rpm's and i want to convert them to deb's with alien, is there any way to do it without doing each one individually?
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19:03<tazz> what flags do i provide to make to build a 32 bit binary on a 64 bit system?
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19:06<Brigo>Nikon, of course, with a script :)
19:06<SynrG>Nikon: this oneliner? for f in *.rpm ; do alien "$f" ; done
19:06<SynrG>not sure what your real problem is ...
19:07<Nikon>SynrG: is that just like sh?
19:07<SynrG>that *is* shell
19:07<abrotman>just like eh ..
19:07<SynrG>there's no "just like" :)
19:07<Nikon>XD
19:07<Nikon>okie dokie, thank ye
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19:10<Nikon>SynrG: should i just put that right in to the shell or should i make a script like run.sh?
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19:12<urzo>Nikon: either
19:12<Nikon>because whenever i run it all its coming up with it >
19:12<Nikon>is*
19:12<urzo>you're forgetting a keyword probably
19:12<urzo>notice the 'do' there
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19:15<Nikon>is for f in *.rpm ; do alien -i "$f"
19:15<Nikon>valid?
19:15<SynrG>it assumes all rpms are in the current dir, but yes
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19:15<saiyan>hello
19:15<SynrG>wait
19:15<Nikon>They're in the current dir
19:15<SynrG>you missed ; done
19:15<Nikon>ohhh
19:16<saiyan>whats the most common question asked on here?
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19:19<SynrG>"what should i do?"
19:19<avalon>probably "can i ask a question?"
19:19<SynrG>or that
19:20<urzo>there ought to be a good resource for learning shell coding
19:20<urzo>i doubt man bash is any good
19:21<urzo>google is probably better heh
19:21<avalon>pretty sure tldp has docs on that
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19:24<SynrG>read lots of shell. your system is full of it
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19:37<saiyan>what can you do as a shell programmer
19:37<saiyan>develop OS'es?
19:39<Brigo>saiyan, shell programing is used for make automatic some work, tipically adminitrators use it for they work
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19:39<saiyan>oh ok
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19:42<Brigo>saiyan, for example, Nikon has asked same minutes ago: If I have an entire directory of rpm's and i want to convert them to deb's with alien, is there any way to do it without doing each one individually?
19:43<Brigo>and SynrG answer: Nikon: this oneliner? for f in *.rpm ; do alien "$f" ; done
19:43<Brigo>that is shell programming.
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19:52<saiyan>ok thanks, that was helpful
19:53<centrx>A variant of shell is also on every Unix system
19:54<Brigo>yes.
19:54<centrx>So if you automate something with Python or Ruby or even Perl, it might not be present on a destination system, if you are distributing software for example.
19:54<Brigo>you have to install the intepreter first.
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20:15<kingsley>How would you ensure that all of a file is copied to a USB thumb drive?
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20:15<kingsley>I'd like to copy a certain file to a certain thumb drive.
20:16<kingsley>So, I basically type ... $ cp file /media/usb0/new_file_name
20:16<kingsley>Then I check if it was all copied with ..
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20:16<kingsley>$ ls -l /media/usb0/new_file_name
20:17<bugtraq>any girl here
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20:17<kingsley>At this point, "ls -l " reports 71722 bytes.
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20:17<kingsley>Then I unplug the thumb drive from the USB port, plug it back in, and recheck with ..
20:17<kingsley>$ ls -l /media/usb0/new_file_name
20:18<kingsley>Now "ls -l " reports only 65536 bytes.
20:18<kingsley>How would you ensure that all of a file is copied to a USB thumb drive?
20:18<sysvalve>kingsley: use sync
20:19<kingsley>sysvalve: Yes, I agree, sync makes sense.
20:19<kingsley>sysvalve: However, I actually already tried it, as root.
20:19<kingsley>sysvalve: No luck.
20:19<sysvalve>weird
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20:20<sysvalve>kingsley: did you actually let the sync call end? :P
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20:21<sysvalve>kingsley: are the contents OK? md5sum?
20:21<kingsley>sysvalve: I think so. "$ sync" took about a second or two to return to the command line prompt.
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20:23<kingsley>I'm happy to report that shortening the file name seems to have solved the problem.
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20:23<sysvalve>anyway, umount should flush any pending buffers anyway...
20:23<kingsley>I suspect the thumb drive uses an inferior file system.
20:23<sysvalve>you did umount, didn't you? :)
20:23<kingsley>Yes, I tried umount too.
20:23<sysvalve>kingsley: yes, fat32, right?
20:24<kingsley>"$ mount" says "vfat".
20:25<kingsley>At the risk of appearing rude, I'll be going soon.
20:25<sysvalve>kingsley: that's fat32 :)
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20:25<kingsley>sysvalve: OK
20:25<sysvalve>kingsley: you don't need my permission to go ;)
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20:42<mintled>Hello. For software that is licensed as LGPL, does that mean that part of the software is free and part of the software is proprietary?
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20:44<abrotman>mintled: There are extensive Wikipedia pages on things like the LGPL
20:45<abrotman>mintled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License
20:45<mintled>I know but I am not clear on it. Take LibreOffice for example. All of that software contains what I suppose are libraries that are free, but the rest of the software is proprietary?
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20:46<mintled>If that is the case, then the only difference between Libreoffice and Microsoft Office is the sales price of the software. One does not cost any money and the other does.
20:46<mintled>The non free portions of LIbreOffice can be anything, backdoors, spyware and other restrictions
20:47*abrotman waits for mintled to actually read
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20:48<mintled>I did read it but I guess I am missing something. My understanding is that typically the libraries are free, the source is available. The other software is non free, can be in binary. I don't see how that helps the user freedom wise
20:48<abrotman>Go read again ..
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20:48<mintled>ok
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20:52<mintled>If LibreOffice is licensed as LGPL, does that mean that all of the software that makes up LibreOffice is under that license?
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20:52<mintled>A better way to phrase that might be to use say LibreCalc that we we are talking about a specific program
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20:54<mintled>So my theory is given abrotman's feedback that LibreCalc as a whole is licensed as LGPL. That means all the software that makes up LibreCalc is libre software. The LGPL license simply says that a developer can take this free software and incorporate it into whatever application they are making. That doesnt sound like I have it correct
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20:56<abrotman>mintled: I'm not sure what you want to know here. There are plenty of docs about how licenses interact with the ecosystem
20:56<mintled>hmm actually maybe it is correct...if a developer uses LibreCalc for example to make a larger package, they just need to make the free software portion of their new program, that is LibreCalc, available
20:56<chealer>mintled: yes, LibreOffice is entirely licensed under the LGPL.
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20:58<mintled>Let me try a different approach, if Software "A" has an LGPL license, can Software "A" contain any non free software?
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20:59<mintled>That suggests the question is trivial and I don't think that it is
20:59<chealer>mintled: if software A is entirely under the LGPL, all of A's source code is licensed under the LGPL (and the GPL)
20:59<mintled>That does not answer the question
21:00<centrx>The answer is in the question.
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21:00<centrx>Try another question.
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21:00<mintled>I will try a different channel
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21:00<abrotman>Easy enough ..
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21:30<sigma>move #debhelp
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21:37<echelon>how to stop upstart?
21:38<abrotman>from doing what?
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21:39<echelon>abrotman: i don't want upstart-socket-bridge
21:40<abrotman>echelon: perhaps pay attention to Freenode where started
21:40<echelon>abrotman: what're you talking about
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22:10<adrenalink>Hello! This is a tricky issue: I have an ubuntu installation on a hard disk A and a debian installation in hard disk B. Each hard disk has a bootloader installed on it, so that changing boot priority from bios let me load the bootloader from hard disk A or B. THE QUESTION is: Why the Ubuntu partition give me an error on mounting its /home while the debian one start successfully?
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22:11<centrx>adrenalink, I bet the answer is related to what the error message says.
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22:12<somiaj>adrenalink: might have to look at the configuration file. I wonder if it is a using uuid vs device name when defining what the home partition is.
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22:12<adrenalink>centrx: error mounting /home press S to go forward (but it does not work) or press M to resolve manually
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22:12<somiaj>adrenalink: take a look at the /etc/fstab file and see what it says home is, if you aren't using UUID then change it.
22:14<adrenalink>somiaj:
22:14<adrenalink># /home was on /dev/sda7 during installation
22:14<adrenalink>UUID=517222c5-9bea-4773-901e-de0c949c2815 /home ext4 defaults
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22:15<somiaj>Is that the ubuntu fstab? or debian one? Compare the two, do you see any noticable differences?
22:15<adrenalink>ubuntu fstab
22:16<somiaj>did you install debian second? Did you happen to reformat your /home partition when doing so?
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22:16<somiaj>I'm wondering if the uuid changed and that would be something that would change it. Again compare it to the debian one. See if you notice a difference
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22:19<adrenalink>somiaj: sorry. It was the debian fstab
22:19<adrenalink>the following is the ubuntu fstab
22:19<adrenalink>proc /proc proc nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
22:19<adrenalink>/dev/sda6 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
22:19<adrenalink>/dev/sda7 /home ext3 defaults 0 2
22:19<adrenalink># swap was on /dev/sda8 during installation
22:20<adrenalink>UUID=b41c357c-0847-474a-bf1c-828ac74b17db none swap sw 0 0
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22:20<adrenalink>/dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0
22:20<adrenalink>UUID=6EE1907316BCA70B /media/DATAEXCHANGE ntfs defaults 0 0
22:20<somiaj>adrenalink: please do not paste teh whole thing in here. It is considered bad pratice, use paste.debian.net in the future.
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22:20<somiaj>arand__: again notice the /home partition, see how it is point at /dev/sda7 -- it could be you change teh boot order that changes. change /dev/sda7 to UUID= like the debian one
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22:21<somiaj>arand__: I would suggest you use UUID for root as well, 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid' is a simple way to get a list of what uuid's point to what partiions.
22:21<somiaj>I also notice there is an ext3 vs ext4 difference too. Be sure you give the correct filesystem.
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22:22<somiaj>arand__: sorry, bad tab completion
22:22<somiaj>adrenalink: those were all for you
22:22<adrenalink>somiaj: ;)
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22:23<adrenalink>somiaj: can I do this changes manually on the fstab file?
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22:24<somiaj>yes
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22:26<Debinna>I have an old server that I want to uopgrade to lates debian. apt-get update is giving me an error message and http://pastebin.com/FumHm6dR this is what sources looks like
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22:26<Debinna>Can you help?
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22:34<JamesT>GnuTLS sucks
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22:42<adrenalink>somiaj: I changed as you said, but in the fstab I cannot find the windows partition I have in dual boot. Is this a problem?
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22:46<adrenalink>somiaj: ok sorry. I finally understand the usefulness of fstab
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22:46<adrenalink>thank you! I will try my configuration.
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23:14<eightyeight>when using apt-transport-https, it appears that I am getting the following error when trying to update my index cache:
23:14<eightyeight>W: Failed to fetch https://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy-backports/universe/source/Sources: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none
23:14<eightyeight>well, i guess that is ubuntu-specific
23:14<eightyeight>i'm having the same errors on debian, actually
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23:20<eightyeight>this ssl certificate is not self-signed, but signed by digicert
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23:40<eightyeight>$ gnutls-cli -p 443 mirrors.xmission.com --x509cafile /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
23:41<eightyeight>GnuTLS error: Error in the certificate.
23:41<eightyeight>hmmm...
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23:47<eightyeight>ah. got it. seems i need to provide the intermediat cert in the .pem
23:47<eightyeight>b00m
23:48<eightyeight>for the record, https://mirrors.xmission.com/debian/, and you can set this in your sources.list(5)
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