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00:45<gzeus>hello, I have a specific issue with sound, is this where I should get started? If not I'll go there (but if you could direct me there, that would be truly awesome)
00:47<gzeus>I've done much debugging, and I don't think what I'm experiencing qualifies as a bug, but more as undesirable behaviour, and even then only affects those who don't use pulseaudio et al
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00:52<Infiltrator>gzeus: You should start by posting some details. ;)
00:53<nevyn>gzeus: detailing what the problem... is might be a good start
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01:01<gzeus>fair enough. didn't want to dump info into the wrong place if possiple. My motherboard has analog output, and digital via hdmi. I don't use the hdmi port. both use the same driver (so blacklisting would be counter-productive). I don't use pulseaudio(never have and would prefer not to, that is to say). I can't find any info out there on how to deal with this (at least one that is either for debian or not specific to a particular
01:01<gzeus>non-debian distro)
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01:03<nevyn>so hdim is grabbing index 0 when you'd want analog on index 0?
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01:04<gzeus>nevyn: precisely.
01:04<nevyn>is this an accurate summary of the issue?
01:04<nevyn>excellent
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01:04<gzeus>yes, and both use snd-hda-intel
01:05<nevyn>which takes an array of codec addresses and indexes
01:05<nevyn>mdoinfo -p snd_hda_intel
01:05<nevyn>modinfo -p
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01:06<nevyn>in /etc/modconf.d/alsa-base there's a bunch of things that should never be index0 towards the bottom
01:06<nevyn>there's a magic index number it's either -1 or -2
01:07<gzeus>I ran that command earlier, but that didn't really get me anywhere other than "I think this would be helpful to someone with more low-level knowledge"
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01:08<nevyn>ok.
01:08<gzeus>nevyn: I don't have any of those devices. just two instances of devices that use snd-hda-intel
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01:08<nevyn>ok.
01:08<nevyn>I didn't say you did
01:08<nevyn>but there's a magic index number that means don't be 0
01:09<gzeus>-2
01:09<gzeus>?
01:09<nevyn>right
01:09<nevyn>so what you want to happen.
01:10<nevyn>so there are a few ways ti tackle this
01:10<gzeus>ah, good.
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01:11<nevyn>you could live with it. nothing should be hardcoded to index0 anymore
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01:11<gzeus>live with no audio?
01:12<nevyn>no
01:12<gzeus>I think you might be misunderstanding the problem then.
01:12<nevyn>put pcm.!default {card 1} or something more complex that does dmix etc in /etc/asound.comf
01:12<nevyn>gzeus: ok.
01:13<nevyn>can you put in paste.debian.net the output of cat /proc/asound/cards
01:13<nevyn>please
01:13<gzeus>ok, I'll be specific as to what I _think_ I need to know, and that I'm almost certain that it's all I need: I need to find out how to make one specific device which uses _the same kernel module_ be >0 or not loaded.
01:14<gzeus>nevyn: that irks me a bit that you asked, but fine
01:14<nevyn>right.
01:14<gzeus> 0 snd_hda_intel
01:14<gzeus> 1 snd_hda_intel
01:14<gzeus>see?
01:14*gzeus is neither stupid nor a liar.
01:14<nevyn>what are the device NAMES
01:14<nevyn>the bit in [] at the start
01:14<gzeus>that is the output of that command
01:14<gzeus>I copied and pasted.
01:15<gzeus>now my head hurts
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01:15<gzeus>oops
01:15<gzeus>sorry
01:15<nevyn>mmm...
01:15<gzeus>typeo at prompt
01:15<gzeus>my hands are shaking
01:15<nevyn>so.
01:15<gzeus> 0 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
01:15<gzeus> HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfeb44000 irq 48
01:15<gzeus> 1 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
01:15<gzeus> HD-Audio Generic at 0xfeb40000 irq 16
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01:16<nevyn>I did say use a pastebin....
01:16<gzeus>ah, didn't see that.
01:16<gzeus>well, then
01:16<nevyn>it's ok.
01:16<nevyn>it did get here the limit is 5lines in a second
01:16<nevyn>so.
01:16<gzeus>part of the problem is the official alsa page's guide to this is just terrible
01:17<nevyn>so there are 3 ways to deal with this off the top of my head
01:17<nevyn>reconfigure alsa,
01:17<nevyn>change the indexes by passing module options
01:17<gzeus>(it was saying to use wrong /proc entry, the wrong command for the wrong outut... but only sometimes.)
01:17<nevyn>change the indexes using udev rules
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01:18<nevyn>reconfigure alsa means you don't fiddle with card indexses you just configre pcm.!default to route audio to Generic rather than hw:0
01:19<gzeus>that sounds like the least painful, and I can't think of a sigle program worth using that uses hw entries
01:19<nevyn>correct all apps should be using default today
01:19<nevyn>if they don't they'll break in a pulseaudio setup
01:20<nevyn>among other things
01:20<nevyn>passing module options is what I was talking about earlier
01:20<nevyn>the modprobe becomes something like:
01:21<chealer>!enter
01:21<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
01:22*nevyn smarts...
01:25<nevyn>gzeus: I don't have access to a system with snd-intel-hda right now
01:26<gzeus>either way, is there a guide that would have what I needed to take the info gathered here and set this up properly?
01:26<nevyn>gzeus: so speaker-test -c2 -D plughw:1
01:27<gzeus>Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
01:28<nevyn>-c 2 my bad
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01:29<gzeus>that worked. glad I knew white noise was coming :p
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01:30<nevyn>gzeus: not a good one.
01:30<nevyn>user documentation around this is pretty aweful. arch seems to have the best stuff.
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01:33<chealer>gzeus: I didn't read all the above carefully but you may want to check the sound part of http://www.philippecloutier.com/blogpost11 (above the Sensors section)
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01:35<gzeus>chealer: that looks right. I may have done something similar years ago (back when I was willing to use ubuntu) to get around a truly crap internal sound card combined with a ground loop.
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01:36<gzeus>whatever I did, I'm sure it was the wrong way to deal with that particular situation, but it happened. it's not like I didn't reinstall every week and change distros 3 times until 2 years ago
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01:38<nevyn>part of the problem is that in some ways it's too powerful, asoundrc is this whole metaprogramming language that let's you do all kinds of stuff with audio rates and sampleformats and so on
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01:40<gzeus>sound glorious sound!
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01:42<gzeus>thank you all. in the top 10 most productive irc sessions not with a close friend. now to test other things that may have changed, but only in performance (short, uninteresting story). good day/evening/night!
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02:50<administrator>ubuntu center how to open?
02:50<jm_>!ubuntuirc administrator
02:50<dpkg>administrator: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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02:53<Godzilla>hi jm_
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02:53<jm_>hello
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02:54<Godzilla>how are you?
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03:26<rjsalts>Is there any way you can use openssl s_client to troubleshoot an ldap connection with starttls?
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03:34<cindy>test
03:34<Stummi>test failed
03:35<nocturnal>you should use ldapsearch to troubleshoot ldap
03:35<cindy>cant help me ?
03:35<nocturnal>but if you want to see the cert you can use s_client -connect ldap:ldap
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03:36<cindy>i have i trouble, i from indonesia
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03:36<nocturnal>!id
03:36<dpkg>i guess id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360, or #debian-id
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03:36<nocturnal>cindy: try your best to ask a question in english if you want help.
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03:41<cindy>#noctural : my computer can not connect to the internet
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03:41<cindy>noctural : cant you help me ??
03:41<nocturnal>are you using another computer in the same location?
03:42<cindy>yes
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03:43<nocturnal>can you try pinging google.jp from your terminal?
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03:45<buffoon_work>Hi! can I configure ifupdown to setup a specific ip address when there's no DHCP Server?
03:45<weasel>man interfaces, search for static
03:46<cindy>my computer lock by it.. iam just a women who worked as an accounting
03:47<buffoon_work>i know how to configure static addresses
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03:47<nocturnal>cindy: you need to troubleshoot this problem to find out why you can't connect to the internet. you should start by opening the terminal and checking your network settings with 'ip a sh' find out if you have an IP or not.
03:47<buffoon_work>I just would like to try DHCP first and then, when no DHCP leases are offered (and only then) a static address should be used
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03:48<nocturnal>cindy: if you're not sure about what it says, copy it into pastebin.ca
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03:52<cindy>nocturnal>192.168.100.169
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04:00<cindy>hello
04:00<nocturnal>ok so you have an IP, now try pinging google.cn or something
04:01<nocturnal>see if you can resolve the name
04:02<nocturnal>ping google.cn
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04:03<cindy>nocturnal ok
04:04<cindy>nocturnal PING google.cn (74.125.200.160) 56(84) bytes of data.
04:04<cindy>64 bytes from sa-in-f160.1e100.net (74.125.200.160): icmp_req=1 ttl=43 time=74.9 ms
04:04<nocturnal>fine
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04:04<nocturnal>so what happens when you try to browse google?
04:04<cindy>nocturnal no connecting
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04:06<nocturnal>can you try curl -o /dev/null https://google.jp ?
04:07<nocturnal>it should show some info about how much data it downloaded
04:07<nocturnal>if it works
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04:07<cindy>nocturnal maybe you answer my dialog
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04:08<cindy>nocturnal no connecting
04:08<cindy>error :(
04:10<nocturnal>so all your outgoing HTTP is down on one of your computers, but not the other. but you have an IP on it and you can ping google.
04:10<nocturnal>and your DNS works
04:11<cindy>nocturnal you so genius.. iam sorry a just accounting
04:11<nocturnal>perhaps check sudo iptables -L to see if you have any firewall filters.
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04:17<nocturnal>I'm afraid I don't have any pointers for you cindy. you could try a live cd just to see if it also has the same problem with HTTP or not. but it's a stab in the dark
04:17<nocturnal>good luck
04:23<cindy>nocturnal :(
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05:02<jeanbuk>italian
05:03<babilen>ciao!
05:03<babilen>dpkg: it
05:03<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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05:14<che>anyone know what this cron job is for?? -> /USR/SBIN/CRON[7723]: (root) CMD ( [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -depth -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f -ignore_readdir_race -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) ! -execdir fuser -s {} 2>/dev/null \; -delete)
05:14<che>it just ate all my ram and swap for a couple minutes
05:14<jm_>are you sure it was this cron job?
05:15<jm_>if you want to know what it's for read the comments in /etc/cron.d/php5
05:15<che>nope, but the syslog timestamp suggests it strongly
05:15<che>excellent thanks
05:15<jm_>I somehow doubt it was this one
05:16<che>also related was I had ~10 pdfs open in iceweasel at the time
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05:16<che>but gnome locked up while the hdd was being pounded and I couldn't get to a terminal to see what was happening
05:17<che>even the clock stopped updating
05:17<jm_>maybe check if any processes use a lot of memory
05:18<jm_>hdd activity was probably due to swapping
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05:19<che>other than gnome-shell, only iceweasel seems to take a lot
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05:20<che>is there a way to enforce a maximum amount of memory for a process? i'd rather iceweasel either complain or crash instead of the system becoming unresponsive
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05:20<jm_>you can configure limits for that but you should take care as not all code handles it gracefully
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05:23<che>thanks for the ideas... some more stuff to think about and tinker with
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07:00<cc_>hello :D
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07:15<Godzilla>hello cc_
07:15<PirataRX>Hello debian users!
07:15<cc_>hi Godzilla
07:15<cc_>Hi PirataRX
07:15<Godzilla>hi PrataRX
07:15<Godzilla>how is everyone?
07:16<PirataRX>good here, installing the last stable debian :)
07:16<cc_>good today .. a bit tired but with a fresh coffee it schould go :) and you ?
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07:19<SynrG>lovely to see the friendliness and goodwill, but for general / social chat, join us at #debian-offtopic :)
07:19<Godzilla>I'm going to be building an itx computer over the weekend
07:19<Godzilla>or when the parts arrive.
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07:20<Godzilla>just wondering if debian will support Asus or TP-Link better for the wifi.
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07:22<cc_>Godzilla, wicht model of chip inside the card's?
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07:26<Godzilla>cc_ maybe I'll use a usb instead
07:27<Godzilla>that or. this: TP-LINK WN951N
07:27<cc_>why an usb .. an pci/pci-e schould work also ...
07:28<Godzilla>idk, its an ITX board.
07:28<Godzilla>so there's only 1x PCI
07:28<Godzilla>and I might want a HDTV tuner.
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07:29<cc_>ok ... and why not the HDTV tuner via usb ? i have more problems tu run my hdtv tuner on linux then a pci wireless card ...
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07:30<Godzilla>ok well I can only source in my country one pci wireless
07:30<Godzilla>TP-LINK WN951N
07:31<cc_>o.O from where are you ?
07:31<cc_>Godzilla, -> http://www.linux-hardware-guide.com/2012-11-01-tp-link-tl-wn951n-wlan-pci take a look ...
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07:32<Godzilla>thanks
07:32<Godzilla>cc_ I live in Australia
07:33<cc_>oh cool :) and you can only get this card while ?
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07:34<Godzilla>well only in my state
07:34<Godzilla>I would have to look over to the east coast suppliers
07:35<cc_>ok ... then good luck
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08:25<viscera>did infinality on 7.4 mess with anyone else's monospaced fonts in gnome-terminal?
08:25<viscera>if so, what'd you do to fix?
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08:31<fifty_five>hello
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08:38<fifty_five>i need help: after installing package "flashplugin-nonfree 1:3:2" my browser Iceweasel crush when I run videos in it. / Operating system: Wheezy 7.4. My status: Newby in Linux. Thanks.
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08:39<devil>always? fullscreen?#
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08:44<fifty_five>I no try view in fullscreen yet, view video in "small square" in tab of browser, and despite it browser crushed. Site "vk.com", for example: http://vk.com/video46079123_168270126
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08:45<jm_>which version of iceweasel?
08:47<fifty_five>Iceweasel's version is 17.0.10
08:47<jm_>try using version 28 from mozilla.debian.net
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08:48<okimaks>hei
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08:48<sfxicuvxczoiese>hola
08:48<sfxicuvxczoiese>tengo una duda me podrian ayudar
08:48<sfxicuvxczoiese>?
08:48<jm_>!es
08:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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08:57<fifty_five>it is strange, but my Icew... begining to work. Thank to Devil and Jm
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08:57<sfxicuvxczoiese>¿debian is secure for online privacy?
08:58<sfxicuvxczoiese>please
08:58<SynrG>your security is only as good as your weakest link. also, human factors are probably the single most important issue to address.
08:59<SynrG>it's up to the administrator to take care of the system stuff. and up to the users to be smart.
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09:00<SynrG>tell us what you think 'secure' means, and maybe we can help :)
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09:00<jm_>fifty_five: great
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09:01<sfxicuvxczoiese>is that I am very paranoid with espionage ... i dont know to do...
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09:03<sfxicuvxczoiese>excuse me, its possible the espionaje on debian? i dont know to do
09:05<sfxicuvxczoiese>please
09:06<sfxicuvxczoiese>Ok, thanks! Debian Experts!
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09:11<h_hauck>HALLO
09:11<p_kreutz>hi
09:11<h_hauck>wazzup?
09:11<p_kreutz>nox
09:11<themill>p_kreutz, h_hauck: play elsewhere, thanks
09:11<p_kreutz>ok
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09:51<nunopimenta>Can anyone send me the configuration file /etc/network/interfaces to access to Internet? My e-mail is 070221090.nunopimenta@gmail.com
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09:52<devil>heh
09:53<SynrG>sure! "auto lo\niface lo inet loopback\n"
09:54<zathras>lol
09:54<planetmaker>:)
09:54<zathras>apt-get install lobotomy
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09:59<Godzilla>anyone into low/eco power computing?
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10:00<Lilly>Is it bad to change SSH port? I get a lot of bruteforce attacks from china etc on port 22, and people say that changing port is good and some say it's not good and rather insecure then secure.
10:00<Lilly>than*
10:01<zathras>Lilly, changing a port to something not officially registered has no negative impact on security
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10:02<zathras>just adjust firewall settings as well etc
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10:03<zathras>and indeed you will probably attract less attention
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10:03<Lilly>im refering to https://www.adayinthelifeof.nl/2012/03/12/why-putting-ssh-on-another-port-than-22-is-bad-idea/
10:03<themill>Lilly: unless your password is Lilly or qwerty, it has no beneficial impact on security either.
10:04<Lilly>my password is like "HKFO1234!"
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10:08<zathras>Lilly, the guy assumes discomfort with users: this can be true. about (non)priviliged ports: he gives an example of a password sniffer. This assumes two things: a) you are an external user accessing the box and being affraid that this might be the case b) the server was compromised.
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10:08<zathras>so both are not really issues if you are the sysadmin and keep the server properly maintained
10:09<Lilly>it's on a VPS
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10:09<zathras>as an (external) user: yes, you might be worried, but I feel it is a bit far stretched
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10:10<zathras>limiting the users is a good idea anyway
10:10<zathras>you could even consider limiting allowed IP-addresses
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10:11<zathras>but that all depends on your needs
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10:41<andreas_>iceweasel and icedove seem to *completely* ignore any default application settings. icedove opens urls in chromium, pdfs in gimp (!). iceweasel opens pdfs in gimp, mailto in mutt. yes, i have set default applications correctly in both the desktop environment (kde) as well as with update-alternatives (x-www-browser), but they are ignored. is all of this broken because i am not using gnome? do i have to fix all of these individually?
10:43<andreas_>also, there aren't even sane options offered within the applications. like, okular isn't even offered for pdfs, and for mailto the only alternative seems to be yahoo and gmail
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10:45<andreas_>so, i guess to ask a short question, is there some sort of meta-settings like 'use the default applications from the system' or something in the mozilla applications?
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10:59<TobiX>andreas_: The arch wiki suggests "ln -s ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list ~/.local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache"
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11:02<TobiX>andreas_: But that looks quite strange to me :(
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11:05<andreas_>TobiX: now i remember it. i did this workaround half a year ago on another machine already. i don't get how such major bugs go unnoticed for so long, when even i alone stumble upon it twice
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11:20<andreas_>question (different issue): there is a bug, which is marked severity normal, and done, because it is fixed in testing. it still affects stable. i consider the bug to be severe. now my question: if i somehow managed to write a patch, would it be accepted?
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11:24<darthlinux>switched to GNU/Linux today. Debian 7.0.4 Wheezy + XFCE4 :D
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11:25<edhelas_>darthlinux, the best desktop environnement on the best operating system, you've made the right choices :)
11:26<babilen>andreas_: details? which bug?
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11:27<darthlinux>@edhelas just having one issue. CPU seems to be a lot warmer compared to what it was in windows 7. sensor says 47 degrees but I am pretty sure its more than that
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11:39<b>تحذير
11:39<b> warning you may be watched
11:39<b> do usa & israel use the internet ( youtube, facebook, twitter, chat rooms,ect...)to collect informations,,,,can we call that spying ?
11:39<b>do they record&analyse everything on the internet?
11:39<b>they ask for ur name,age,gender,occupation,place of work,ur mobile number.............ect, can they harm you using these informations?!
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11:50<andreas_>babilen: bug #705426, it makes the entire kde desktop unresponsive for a few seconds. but my question was more like 'is there a policy about fixing bugs in stable?'
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11:50<babilen>dpkg: tell andreas_ -about stable
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11:52<babilen>andreas_: IOW: You would have to get the severity of that bug changed if you want the fix to qualify for inclusion in stable
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11:53<andreas_>babilen: 'security issues and critical bugs'. thanks, that is a precise information, and the answer to my question is thus no. my bug is 'important', but not 'critical'. seems tough though. the bug is a significant inconvenience.
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11:54<babilen>I understand, but "stable" also means "bugs stay the same"
11:54<andreas_>babilen: yeah i know. and the good side of that is that i am never afraid of updates, because they never ever break anything.
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11:55<babilen>andreas_: I mean you could argue for that bug to have a higher severity, but I am not the right person to make that call as I really couldn't care less for KDE. You might want write a message to that bug and/or discuss it in #debian-kde
11:55<zathras>andreas_, maybe there is a backport available? Or maybe you can compile one from source?
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11:57<andreas_>babilen: the bug has severity 'normal' and i would argue it should have 'important', but debian policy says this is not enough to fix it in stable. it is not my intention to challenge that policy. and seeing as it is fixed in testing there's nothing more to do.
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11:58<andreas_>zathras: i already fixed it for myself, so that's not an issue
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11:58<babilen>andreas_: I concur, just wanted to provide you with the information you needed if you wanted to argue in favour of having it fixed in wheezy. But then that would probably open the flood gates ;)
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11:59<andreas_>babilen: yes, thanks, the important bit that i was missing was the policy on fixing only critical bugs in stable that you provided!
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12:01<andreas_>...and i had already suspected a policy something like that.
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12:03<babilen>andreas_: Well, stable wouldn't be stable without it :)
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12:24<MrGrymReaper>Hello, everyone.
12:25<sney>hi
12:26<MrGrymReaper>I have an idea for optional repository. I got it following the release of Gnome 3.12.
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12:28<MrGrymReaper>You know where Debian Linux uses Gnome 3.4?
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12:29<sney>,v gnome-shell
12:29<judd>Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; jessie: 3.8.4-5+b1; sid: 3.8.4-5+b1; experimental: 3.10.1-1
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12:30<sney>3.12 will fall into experimental or sid eventually. wheezy is frozen at 3.4 because that's how stable works. what's your idea again?
12:30<MrGrymReaper>I'm wondering when the Gnome 3.10 will make the transition? Cause 3.10 of Gnome has Hi-DPI support.
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12:32<sney>#debian-gnome is the development channel for the gnome team, they would know why 3.10 is in experimental instead of unstable. but it's probably waiting on some other transition
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12:39<che_>how does apache know about config files in other packages directories? eg: how does apache know/find /etc/apt-cacher/apache.conf?
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12:52<Brigo>che_, it can't
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12:56<che_>Brigo: then how does apt-get install apache2 apt-cacher result in 127.0.0.1:3142 being accessible, as configured by /etc/apt-cacher/apache.conf?
12:56<che_>i just don't see how apache can know about it, so I don't know why it works
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12:57<chealer>che_: presumably a symlink, but I never used apt-cacher
12:57<Brigo>it should be a link in /etc/apache2 dir or subdir.
12:57<che_>hmmm, I checked all the dirs for links and all the config files for Includes to no avail
12:58<che_>i'm wondering if there is something special just about apt-cacher
12:58<che_>because it is a running program - maybe it is itself responding the HTTP requests and not apache
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13:38<fiftyfive>Hey, all. I have a problem: X-server in my Wheezy 7.04 (xfce) run only through Root; non su-user not may log in: after entering of login and password screen darken on a few seconds, and form for entering login/password appear again. How to solve this trouble? / NB: I am a newby in Debian, only a one week. Thanks
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13:44<musca>fiftyfive: maybe your disk is full and only root can use its reserved space.
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13:47<zykotick9>fiftyfive: in the user's home dir, "ls -l" anything owned by root? .Xauthority perhaps?
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13:50<fdhf>need some help with openvpn install on fresh debian install. anytime I run apt-get install network-manager-openvpn-gnome i get this http://pastebin.com/yHZPaLfx it wants to install ~200MB of stuff.
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13:51<fiftyfive>musca - no, it 24 Gb is availible
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14:01<fiftyfive>zykotick9, entering "ls -l" by root printing a few lines (rows), such as "drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Мар 28 18:39 Videos" and other libraries (Music, Documents, e.t.c. ) Entering "ls -l" by usual user print "No possible open : Access denied". / A few words about Xauthority: when I tryed to run X-server from bash, at disabled Graphical environmenr, I get a message "Timeout timeout in locking authority file /home/<username>/.Xau
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14:10<zykotick9>fiftyfive: don't use sudo with GUI apps... change .Xauthority ownership back to your user
14:10<fiftyfive>Have someone an idea?
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14:14<prince>hi
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14:21<fiftyfive>Oh... it was needed to delete /home/username/.Xauthority. Thanks
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14:23<musca>fiftyfive: don't run graphical apps as root. it is a best practice.
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14:24<fiftyfive>What you mean as graphical apps? Games, GIMP or drivers for video controller?
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14:26<musca>the root user is only neccessary for administering your system.
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14:33<che_>do PREROUTING iptable rules change the input interface?
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14:34<che_>I have a PREROUTING rule with -i eth0 to forward a port to another machine
14:34<che_>and I have a -A INPUT -i eth0 -j DROP as the first filter
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14:34<che_>so I'd expect that all incoming traffic on eth0 would be dropped, but it's getting through
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14:38<elinksss>A friend works for a company that filters youtube access and asks for your corporate user/pass when you try to get to youtube through the browser. However, this filter can be circunvented both by invoking youtube-dl or elinks --dump, why is this so?
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14:50<eder>Opa! Alguém já instalou o Gnome novo?
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14:52<chealer>!tell eder about pt
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14:54<nattefrost>hy all
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15:48<jackalls>italy? sorry
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16:12<majcherek128>Hey guys. If I have a quick question about Jessie, should I post it here, or is there a better channel for this?
16:12<foreverska>debian-next
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16:33<guiniol>hi guys. I'm using and old computer and the screen is flickering because the edid got corrupted. Does anyone have an old computer with a 1280x800 LCD lying around so they could grab a correct modeline for me? My eyes would appreciate.
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16:34<SynrG>guiniol: that sort of thing is *not* going to be generic
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16:36<SynrG>!modeline
16:36<dpkg>Modeline directives in <xorg.conf> are used to specify low-level video modes for your monitor. Since XFree86 4.0, manually supplying modelines is usually unnecessary, as video modes are automatically determined using monitor capabilities acquired via <EDID>. Custom modelines can be created using http://xtiming.sf.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl ; see also the cvt, gtf (xserver-xorg-core) and videogen utilities.
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16:36<SynrG>guiniol: i've used videogen successfully for that in the past. you just need to know the specs for your display.
16:37<guiniol>SynrG: I have tried with cvt but it doesn't work
16:37<guiniol>I'll take a look at videogen
16:38<guiniol>Otherwise, my computer is an acer aspire 1690, if anyone has got one lying around
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16:39<SynrG>guiniol: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/laptop-acer-1690-1280x800-resolution-343258/
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16:40<SynrG>search terms: acer aspire 1690 hz khz :)
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16:40<guiniol>SynrG: my google-fu is not good enough ^^
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16:41<guiniol>I was looking for modelines and edid and stuff
16:41<SynrG>guiniol: ^^ ddg-fu ;)
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16:43<SynrG>guiniol: hah! same search terms, google instead of duckduckgo, and ... the top hit with the winning answer was not in the first page of results
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16:43<SynrG>it was, however, the first hit on the *second* page of results
16:44<ScottE>That's because google has to give you all the results that put the most $ in their pockets first :-)
16:44<guiniol>SynrG: I'm sad to say that it's not it
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16:44<guiniol>I'm starting to think maybe the screen is fried
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16:45<SynrG>guiniol: well, then the first hit from google is this pdf of the Aspire 1690 service guide:
16:45<SynrG>http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%201690%203510.pdf
16:46<SynrG>at least armed with the specs for the display, you ought to be able to videogen an appropriate mode.
16:46<SynrG>unless it's just plain busted ...
16:46<guiniol>yep
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16:46<guiniol>we'll see
16:47<guiniol>I couldn't even find the specs by myself...
16:47<guiniol>but I'm good with maths
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16:47<SynrG>humm, the service guide is singularly unhelpful (the hz / khz hits were for standard modes supported on the *external* display)
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16:48<guiniol>SynrG: I'm still installing a pdf reader and videogen
16:49<guiniol>what frustrate me most is that it was working during christmas
16:49<guiniol>but xorg doesn't really keep logs...
16:49<SynrG>:p
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17:04<guiniol>SynrG: can't seem to find the exact specs
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17:07<guiniol>SynrG: still no go
17:07<guiniol>I can't find the proper specs though
17:07<guiniol>so I tried some guessing
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17:34<momo>do you speak french here
17:34<centrx>!fr
17:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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17:35<redondos>how can i tell dpkg/debconf to replace configuration files when installing a package so that user intervention is not needed?
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17:45<f3rn4nd0>Hy. I would like someone to confirm this. httpd-cgi is a virtual package that can be provided by nginx-light. However the package nginx-light does not have "httpd-cgi" in "Provides"
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17:46<f3rn4nd0>I'm not sure this is the reason but aptitude keesp asking to install boa as a dependecy of dwww, althought I have nginx...
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17:47<redondos>UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=1
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17:49<stderr_dk>f3rn4nd0: What makes you say that httpd-cgi can be provided by nginx-light, if nginx-light doesn't have httpd-cgi in Provides?
17:49<f3rn4nd0>in httpd-cgi it has a list "Provided by"
17:50<f3rn4nd0>stderr_dk:
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17:51<stderr_dk>f3rn4nd0: What command are you using to see that? I don't see it anywhere.
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17:51<f3rn4nd0>stderr_dk: aptitude show httpd-cgi
17:51<guiniol>SynrG: thanks for the help. I found the specs for 2 of the 5 possible screens but they didn't fit, so I guess that's it...
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17:52<stderr_dk>f3rn4nd0: I don't see it... Wheezy?
17:52<f3rn4nd0>yes
17:53<f3rn4nd0>maybe I installed package from another version. I will try to fix it then stderr_dk
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17:53<f3rn4nd0>stderr_dk: So, just to confirm, in Wheezy httpd-cgi in not provided by nginx?
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17:54<stderr_dk>$ apt-cache show nginx-light | grep Provides => Provides: httpd, nginx
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17:54<stderr_dk>nginx doesn't "Provides" anything.
17:56<f3rn4nd0>if I do aptitutde reinstall httpd-cgi I see a different list (withouth nginx)
17:56<f3rn4nd0>how can I fix this incoehrence?
17:57<stderr_dk>I think I saw a command once to find installed packages not from the current release...
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18:10<f3rn4nd0>I can't find it. That's a more maintenance task, I'll look for it another day. Thank sfor the help
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18:35<SynrG>guiniol: ah. :/
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18:35<SynrG>guiniol: you could read the markings off the display. you will need to disassemble for that, though.
18:36<SynrG>guiniol: then you might be able to search for 'replacement display' and the part# ... or so
18:36<SynrG>and get the specs off that
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18:48<Mongo44>I installed Wine 1.4 through synaptic. How come it isn't listed in applications?
18:50<mtn>Mongo44: because you use wine to run things, you don't run wine itself
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18:50<Mongo44>Oh alright. It was different with Ubuntu.
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19:25<dotut>hello, accidentally deleted .wine...aptitude reinstall did not work...also tried to purge all wine packages and then aptitude install wine but no lucj
19:25<cae>why does a qemu-kvm virtualized installation not get a /etc/udev/rules.d/*net* entry? A comment in /lib/udev/rules.d/*net-generator* says "ignore them", but I don't know why this should be a good idea
19:26<cae>dotut: define 'delete'. Do you mean 'rm -f /usr/share/wine/' or something like this?
19:27<cae>(note: I 'forgot' the -r on purpose, not that someone would 'try out' this command...)
19:27<dotut>cae: rm -rf ~/.wine
19:27<dotut>so running winecfg results in an error
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19:28<cae>dotut: apt doesn't do anything inside your ~, so reinstall or whatsoever won't help
19:29<dotut>cae: hmm that makes sense...i tried creating .wine myself but running winecfg: cat: /home/dotut/.wine/system.reg: No such file or directory
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19:29<dotut>/usr/bin/winecfg: line 32: exec: winecfg.exe: not found
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19:31<dotut>i think i may have solved it
19:32<dotut>i just ran winetricks and it created the directory
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19:41<cae>(repeating myself) why does a qemu-kvm virtualized installation not get a /etc/udev/rules.d/*net* entry? A comment in /lib/udev/rules.d/*net-generator* says "ignore them", but I don't know why this should be a good idea
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20:44<ncl>Is there a way to only update one repo? eg: I want to do security updates daily, but maybe regular updates once a week/month/etc
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21:10<centrx>ncl, If you are using stable, all updates are in security.debian.org unless there is a new release
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22:24<Mongo44>http://www.skybert.net/debian/netflix-on-debian-wheezy-64bit/
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22:24<Mongo44>I am trying to get netflix.
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22:27<Mongo44>http://paste.debian.net/90296/
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22:27<Mongo44>That is the error I get when running apt-get update.
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22:29<themill>Mongo44: debian ≠ ubuntu. Don't muck around with PPAs like that.
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22:29<centrx>Mongo44, Did you change the URL or something?
22:29<Mongo44>Right that pipelight crap.
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22:30<Mongo44>It is not listed under my sources list. How do I remove it.
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22:31<centrx>Mongo44, It's either in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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22:32<cindy>hello
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22:32<Mongo44>It doesn't appear to be under either. sources.list.d is empty.
22:33<themill>!show sources.list Mongo44
22:33<dpkg>Mongo44: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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22:35<Mongo44>It would send: bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
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22:35<themill>umm.
22:35<Mongo44>It wouldn't send.
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22:36<themill>/etc/apt/sources.list is not a command.
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22:36<Mongo44>http://paste.debian.net/90300/
22:36<Mongo44>That is better.
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22:38<Mongo44>sources.list.d is empty. Where is the pipelight repository?
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22:41<centrx>Strange
22:41<centrx>Mongo44, What command are you running to get the output with "pipelight" in it?
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22:41<themill>I'd like to see the command and full output in a pastebin: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}; apt-get update
22:43<Mongo44>It is too many lines of code.
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22:44<themill>umm
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22:45<Mongo44>http://paste.debian.net/90301/
22:45<Mongo44>strange the terminal produced other output in addition to that.
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22:46<Mongo44>This is the location: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pipelight-stable-wheezy.list
22:47<centrx>I thought you said that directory was empty
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22:48<Mongo44>That is what it said when I ran both cat and vi. I just rm'ed it. I guess that is the end of that.
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22:48<themill>neither cat nor vi tell you that a directory is empty.
22:49<themill>actually providing output we asked for would, however.
22:52<Mongo44>http://paste.debian.net/90303/
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22:53<Mongo44>I don't know what a public key is. Sorry about that I figured the last problem out.
22:54<themill>It's yet another hint to not use random 3rd party repositories that are not designed for your installation.
22:54<Poffum>It's the product of two keys that make out with each other in public. Also knwon as an exhibitionist key.
22:54<Poffum>/shitty joke
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22:56<Mongo44>Well I don't think Netflix will ever be compatible with Debian.
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23:47<Tano>Hola
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23:54<cindy>haloooooooooo
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