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00:22<petrpacholt>when will wayland replace X in debian? the release after jessie?
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01:36<devil_>rryoumaa: if you are using iceweasel 30, that is utterly broken
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01:36<rryoumaa>how about 28?
01:37<nname>Is a VPN the best approach to save all my downlods to a ubuntu server from my ubuntu laptop?
01:37<rryoumaa>devil_: ^
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01:39<devil_>rryoumaa: should work. you need to click on customize in the new settings thingie (all the way at the bottom of that)
01:39<devil_>then you get your usual menu...
01:39<rryoumaa>devil_: i looked all over the tmp settings thing and found nothing except a menu item which i enabled but which does not show up
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01:43<devil_>rryoumaa: it is in your menu under history, at least for me
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02:11<rryoumaa>here htat is greyed out, implying the possibilityt hat tmp is not storing the session
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03:27<wardhan>i am trying to change permissions of several music files using chmod 0644 /media/folder/*.* but the command isn't changing permissions of files in sub do i change permissions ?
03:29<ncl>-R for recursive
03:30<babilen>wardhan: ... you then, naturally, no longer need the "*.*" at the end. btw, that expression might not match all files in a directory and you can just as well use "/foo/bar/baz/*" in situations where you want a glob for all files.
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03:41<LtL>wardhan: you can also use find and xargs for that, example: find /media/folder -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 0644
03:42<wardhan>ltl: i am looking into about using find & xargs
03:42<babilen>Or find's "-exec" --
03:43<babilen>wardhan: What are you *really* trying to do and why doesn't "-R" do it?
03:43<LtL>wardhan: try it, works like a charm on all subdirs. use -type d to set directories the same way
03:45<wardhan>babilen: i am trying to change permissions of several music files in musik folder. the musik folder contain folders.
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03:46<babilen>wardhan: Yes, so why is "chmod -R 644 /path/to/your/music/directory" not working?
03:46<babilen>Or: what did *you* try after ncl gave the "-R" suggestion?
03:46<wardhan>the -R command obviously resets the permissions of the folders to 0644. but i need 755 permissions for folders in musik folder.
03:47<babilen>wardhan: So, then use find with "-type -f"
03:47<babilen>That shouldn't tamper with your directories
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03:49<babilen>Alternatively run "chmod -R a+X /path/to/your/music/directory" afterwards (folder isn't the correct terminology on Linux)
03:50<jj>Hi, is anyone around? I have a problem. I added multiarch and now when i try to do the apt-get update i get Hash Sum Mismatch
03:50<babilen>I'd probably prefer find - make sure to either use exec or the -print0 / -0 arguments as LtL showed you or you'll have problem with filenames with spaces in them
03:50<babilen>jj: Try a different mirror or simply run it again
03:51<jj>i've added several mirrors babilen
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03:52<babilen>jj: Well, use one at a time. Which mirror(s) are you using and what is the output of that command? (→ )
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03:53<babilen>jj: You could also just pick a sensible mirror (such as and wait a little for them to be completely synchronised.
03:54<babilen>jj: I'd try or
03:54<jj>babilen, i'll try them now, and i'll let you know. thanks
03:55<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror geographically close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from An example line for your sources.list is "deb wheezy main". See for more information. Unlike <>, it is safe to use with Google DNS etc because it uses HTTP 302 redirects. See also <which>.
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03:58<jj>babilen, still getting the exact same error
03:59<babilen>With both metamirrors?
03:59<jj>babilen, yes, and i noticed it only started this when i added the multiarch
04:00<jj>babilen, when i remove the multiarch, it works just fine
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04:00<babilen>If so then they probably all resolve to the same identical mirror. Feel free to either tour Europe and change to, say,,,, ... or pick other mirrors from
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04:01<babilen>jj: Yes, looks as if i386 is out-of-sync on the mirror (which should be resolved eventually)
04:01<jj>babilen, i've tried the us servers and several servers in europe
04:02<jj>babilen, i hope so, so you think there is nothing wrong with my side then .. and could it possibly be my side? or is it likely just the servers
04:02<babilen>Hmm, interesting - I've only ever encountered this temporarily and with specific mirrors.
04:03<babilen>It's almost certainly not your side .. you could try to delete the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ and /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ (make sure to *not* remove /var/lib/apt/lists/lock) to start over, but this is a mirror problem
04:04<babilen>Curious that you run into it on so many of them though
04:04<babilen>So, I'd stick with for now, run that a couple of times and maybe wait a little.
04:05<jj>babilen, i know it is strange, i am now using us servers and i'll wait it out i suppose .. maybe it takes a while to sync
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04:12<babilen>jj: Not sure why you want to make sure that you get a mirror that is definitely not close to you (network-wise) is beyond me, but fair enough
04:13<jj>babilen, i am from the us actually.. i tried the ones in europe to hopefully resolve it as i thought it may have been a mirror problem as you've said
04:14<babilen>Ah, okay.
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05:41<Xylon>the new chrome new tab page sucks
05:41<Xylon>I need a new web browser now (no joke)
05:41<babilen>Xylon: okay, enjoy!
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05:44<Kayron>Hello, I have a question...does insserv/init.d have a log somewhere? I can't get a specific service to start on boot, and I can't figure out why
05:44<Kayron>I'm migrating to another server and it worked on my old one...
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05:44<babilen>Not sure, but don't think so
05:45<valdyn>Kayron: insserv logging wouldnt be useful, init does not log that
05:45<Kayron>and service <service> restart works fine after I boot
05:45<valdyn>Kayron: see if the startup symlink exists at the right place
05:45<Kayron>I have no clue what's going on lol
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05:46<Kayron>it does, I did update-rc.d
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05:46<valdyn>Kayron: show us
05:46<babilen>Kayron: You are probably missing something in your LSB headers, but then insserv logging wouldn't help with this as this probably only happens once you actually start to run the service in question. The service / init script should log instead!
05:46<Kayron>I copied /etc/init.d/skeleton
05:47<Kayron>and only changed the args
05:47<valdyn>Kayron: no, show us the script and the symlink
05:47<babilen>dpkg: tell Kayron -about lsb tags
05:47<valdyn>as far as i can say insserv would complain about such missing or broken headers
05:47<valdyn>but only if you actually use it
05:48<Kayron>I did
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05:48<Kayron>update-rc.d -f pure-ftpd enable 2
05:48<Kayron>update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
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05:49<Kayron>and symlinks are there
05:49<babilen>valdyn: How would insserv know that a particular service requires, for example, networking?
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05:49<valdyn>babilen: from the header
05:49<babilen>valdyn: Yes, sure. But that requires the person who wrote that init script to actually fill out the headers correctly.
05:50<babilen>Which is my entire point.
05:50<valdyn>babilen: right
05:50<Kayron>service pure-ftpd restart starts it up fine
05:50<valdyn>I think the script is running fine
05:50<valdyn>but you didnt show us the script yet
05:50<valdyn>nor the symlink
05:51<babilen>Kayron: Yes, I assume that you are simply missing lsb tags.
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05:52<Kayron>even if I copied /etc/init.d/skeleton?
05:52<Kayron>that shouldnt happen
05:52<valdyn>Kayron: the actual dependencies have to be inserted manually
05:52<obiwandk>danmm alioth is down
05:52<babilen>Kayron: Why are you writing your own init script btw? pure-ftpd comes with one:
05:53<Kayron>because I don't see where its args are
05:53<Kayron>I looked through it
05:53<babilen>Kayron: Yes, you have to *add* the ones you or, rather, the service, needs
05:53<babilen>Kayron: args?
05:54<Kayron>options to start it
05:55<babilen>Kayron: Arguments are: start, stop, restart, [reload], status .. Are you referring to options for pure-ftpd? What are you *really* trying to do?
05:55<Kayron>yes, options for pure-ftpd
05:55<babilen>Kayron: So, what are you trying to do?
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05:56<Kayron>modify them so I can insert ip/port info, and other limits
05:56<SynrG>so edit the one Debian provides?
05:56<SynrG>better than rewriting it
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05:57<Kayron>if dependencies were a problem, then wouldn't service pure-ftpd restart fail?
05:59<SynrG>no. why should they
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05:59<babilen>Kayron: No, the other services needed would already be running after boot. But seriously: Be way more specific (which options, whatfor) and edit the init script provided by Debian if it doesn't meet your needs. Also file a bug report and ask for a /etc/default/pure-ftpd file in which you can set these options.
06:00<babilen>bbl (sunshine too nice to go on with this)
06:00<Kayron>hm, one thing I haven't tried is to move it to a lower priority
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06:06<SynrG>Kayron: you mean explicitly specify sequence numbers to update-rc.d? wrong approach. just follow babilen's advice. it's the best solution
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06:07<Kayron>I just moved it to S25, which should be on the bottom
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06:11<Kayron>...nope, still no start on boot, *sigh*
06:12*petn-randall hands Kayron a hand crank.
06:12<petn-randall>I head you like to do it the manual, error-prone way. :)
06:13<SynrG>if you mess with this manually a) your header is still wrong and inconsistent with the ones Debian provides. b) rerunning will scree it up again c) startpar will not give you any advantage if you choose wrong numbers
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06:13<SynrG>screw* it up
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06:13<SynrG>rerunning insserv, i mean
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06:14<Kayron>I'll look at the original one again, but for the life of me I couldn't find where it gets its options
06:15<Kayron>there is a /etc/default file, but thats for unrelated stuff
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06:15<SynrG>Kayron: yay!
06:16<SynrG>and ask us when you get stuck
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06:21<obiwandk>any one know if alioth is up
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06:26<SynrG>from #debian-devel channel topic:
06:26<SynrG>Broken: Permissions on alioth
06:26<obiwandk>ok then i just gotta wait
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06:28<obiwandk>seems the be completly down
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06:45<SynrG>ompaul: oh, and as for the support channel for alioth:
06:45<SynrG>argh, sorry. tab-complete
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06:45<ompaul>SynrG: I was going to say, but I thought you'd be faster :)
06:45<SynrG>obiwandk: oh, and as for the support channel for alioth, it's not #debian-devel :)
06:45<SynrG>!tell obiwandk about alioth
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06:48<obiwandk>SynrG: my reason the be on the debian channels is that is would like the learn and help whit debian
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06:50<SynrG>sure, and you can join and lurk on whatever channels you like. i'm just pointing out that if you asked at #alioth, you might get answers
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06:51<obiwandk>well is kind of a newb but have some exp in translation doc typing that kind and is learning c
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06:58<cousin_luigi>Where is the default console font set?
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06:59<ompaul>,v setfont
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06:59<judd>No package named 'setfont' was found in i386.
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07:00<cousin_luigi>I mean permanently, not on the fly.
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07:03<ompaul>console-setup might be what you want unless you extend the question again
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07:05<cousin_luigi>looking into console-setup, thanks
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07:13<cousin_luigi>now it would be nice to know which command to run..
07:17<dac__>cousin_luigi: try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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07:22<cousin_luigi>dac__: hmm, it allows me to select it, but it doesn't seem to be working. Still, it's a step ahead; thanks.
07:23<ompaul> log out log in open a new console - remember tty is not pty
07:23*ompaul drags some teeth out
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07:27<cousin_luigi>ompaul: The distinction is not too clear to me:/
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07:33<cousin_luigi>ok, I understand. Yes, it's obviously ttys I'm talking about.
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07:42<Grenville>hi all, I was hoping someone might be able to point me to a good source for sorting out my wireless card.
07:45<blumoon|2>Grenville: sorting ?
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07:46<Grenville>ahh, sorry
07:46<abrotman>Grenville: we would need more details
07:46<Grenville>it is very tempramental
07:46<devil>Grenville: that is not a technical term
07:46<Grenville>the signal strength is intemittent
07:47<devil>first we need device and driver
07:47<Grenville>it regularly drops the connection
07:48<Grenville>it is a realtek card
07:48<blumoon>hor far is it from the AP?
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07:51<Grenville>pretty close
07:52<Grenville>I'm afrai, I rudely have to say goodbye. A friend dropped by demanding attention
07:52<Grenville>so sorry
07:52<Grenville>thank you anyway.
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07:53<abrotman>So glad we could help ...
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09:20<Sapayan>hi eddy
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09:51<Kayron>hm, does anyone know if openssh fixed their gnutls library after the bug that was discovered recently
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10:08<obiwandk>awal that is fixed rigth
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10:10<awal>obiwandk, ;)
10:10<obiwandk>awal: cool got a big interest in security but i am still to new to work whit it
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10:10<babilen>obiwandk: Depends on your configuration, but yes.
10:10<babilen>dpkg: tracker of doom
10:10<dpkg>The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also or ask me about <debsecan>
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10:17<awal>obiwandk, sorry, I can not be helpful in those things.
10:17<obiwandk>'np is looking thoug some code
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10:30<Kayron>I asked about gnutls earlier because I'm using the stable branch (wheezy) and that says it's using OpenSSL
10:30<Kayron> or not :p
10:31<abrotman>Kayron: check the archives
10:32<babilen>Kayron: You already have been pointed to the relevant information. Yes, you are. What else do you need?
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10:34<Kayron>well, that link suggests updating gnutls, I already figured that out. I wasn't sure if the version that's currently on stable was safe
10:34<Kayron>the openssh version that is
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10:36<babilen>Kayron: Did you take a look at ?
10:37<babilen>Kayron: The version in wheezy is still vulnerable, the one in wheezy/updates (i.e. security) is not.
10:38<Kayron>Thank you. I wasn't sure because I assumed updating gnutls myself wouldn't help if it's using openssl
10:39<Kayron>and compiling stuff is not that easy for me
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10:49<petn-randall>Kayron: No need to compile. Just install the updates.
10:50<Kayron>hm, seems that wheezy-updates isn't on, it installed the one from jessie
10:51<Kayron>apt-get install -t wheezy-updates openssh-server --> jessie/main openssh-server amd64 1:6.5p1-6
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10:51<Kayron>so now all I have to do is update gnutls28?
10:52<babilen>Kayron: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy libgnutls26" to please?
10:53<babilen>Kayron: Oh, testing is supported in #debian-next and not here in #debian (read /topic !)
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10:56<Kayron>and after I updated both of those, I still get OpenSSH_6.5p1 Debian-6, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013
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10:57<babilen>Kayron: So, update your system. "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" -- You *cannot* leave it in such an outdated state. In particular if you are tracking testing. But then, further support and questions in #debian-next please.
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11:00<Kayron>It's still on 7.4, but I only added testing in there so I could get versions that aren't on stable... and if I updated like this, wouldn't it grab all the updates from testing?
11:00<Kayron>not sure I want to run it on testing
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11:02<babilen>Kayron: #debian-next, really
11:02<babilen>Kayron: Oh, you are not trying to run testing?
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11:02<babilen>Kayron: Then: Immediately remove those entries and do not upgrade/install a *single* package. Run "apt-get update" and show me the requested output again.
11:03<Kayron>ok, I'll try that. It did update gnutls26 though
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11:04<Kayron>one sec, I'll remove (or hashtag) testing
11:04<SynrG>,v gnutls26
11:04<judd>No package named 'gnutls26' was found in i386.
11:04<SynrG>,v libgnutls26
11:04<judd>Package: libgnutls26 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.8.6-1+squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.8.6-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 2.8.6-1+squeeze3; wheezy: 2.12.20-7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.12.20-8+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.12.20-8+deb7u1; jessie: 2.12.23-13; sid: 2.12.23-13
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11:04<SynrG>Kayron: update to what? 2.12.23-13?
11:05<Kayron>Preparing to replace libgnutls26:amd64 2.12.20-8+deb7u1 (using .../libgnutls26_2.12.23-13_amd64.deb) ...
11:06<SynrG>so now you have a mix of stable + testing already
11:06<SynrG>if you don't want this to cause you problems later on, you had better figure out which ones you've incorrectly updated from testing and downgrade.
11:06<SynrG>only this lib? or other packages too?
11:07<Kayron>essentially what I wanted to ask is how do I make openssh use the updated gnutls rather than what it wants to use, openssl.
11:07<Kayron>without recompiling
11:08<SynrG>Kayron: if you were at 2.12.20-8+deb7u1, you were already safe
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11:08<SynrG>wheezy (security) 2.12.20-8+deb7u1 fixed <- from the link babilen gave for CVE-2014-0092
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11:09<Kayron>ok, I'll undo that
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11:09<SynrG>and that's the only package upgraded from testing?
11:09<Kayron>yes, that and lighthttpd earlier
11:09<Kayron>but how do I make it use gnutls rather than what I'm assuming is outdated
11:10<babilen>Kayron: *Never* mix releases. Ever.
11:10<babilen>Kayron: The bug has been fixed!
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11:11<babilen>That's what our security team does and is what Debian means when it says: "has security support"
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11:11<Kayron>ok, so it's been fixed even though it says it's using OpenSSL 1.0.1e?
11:13<babilen>Kayron: You have to upgrade the package (which you haven't done as you decided to break your system by mixing it with testing, *against* my explicit recommendation) and you will also have to restart all services that used the old library. (i.e. check the "checkrestart" output and reboot, reinitialize services)
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11:15<SynrG>"it's" been fixed (what?) "it's" using OpenSSL 1.0.1e (what?). we talked about gnutls26, which we've established is not vulnerable.
11:15<SynrG>if you are concerned about other vulnerabilities, i have not been able to determine from the backlog what (as far back as i read anyway) what those are
11:15<babilen>same here
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11:15<babilen>But then Kayron should sort out the stable/testing mess first before doing anything else
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11:16<SynrG>there may also be a "lighttpd" mess (that, plus any testing deps it pulled in)
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11:18<Kayron>Ok, I just wanted to make sure my OpenSSH was up to date, if I didn't use testing I would've had 1:6.0p1-4
11:18<babilen>Kayron: *Never* mix releases. Ever.
11:19<Kayron>which, as I've said, uses what I'm assuming is outdated
11:19<Kayron>Okay, today I learned..
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11:20<Kayron>I still don't think I understood how to make it use GnuTLS though
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11:26<SynrG>Kayron: "it"?
11:27<Kayron>OpenSSH_6.5p1 Debian-6, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013
11:27<Kayron>Safe/not safe.
11:27<Kayron>Simple question
11:28<SynrG>,v openssh-server
11:28<judd>Package: openssh-server on i386 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze4; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4; wheezy-backports: 1:6.5p1-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.5p1-6; sid: 1:6.6p1-1
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11:28<SynrG>that's the version from jessie?
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11:28<SynrG>but you're running wheezy ...
11:28<Kayron>Yes, but before I had the one on stable
11:29<Kayron>That's what I meant, it's based on a library that hasn't been updated in a YEAR.
11:29<Kayron>Which is way before the bug
11:29<SynrG>are you certain? that banner is only the *upstream* version#
11:29<SynrG>so that does not tell the whole story
11:29<SynrG>debian security team patches things. they don't upgrade to the latest upstream
11:30<SynrG>so that version# will not increase
11:30<Kayron>oh. See, I did not know that.
11:30<SynrG>only the debian version# will increase (the part after the dash, which is not in the banner you showed)
11:31<SynrG>that's what makes stable "stable"
11:31<Kayron>That banner made me think maybe it wasn't updated
11:31<SynrG>going with new upstream releases means fixing a vulnerability but *also* causing new bugs
11:31<SynrG>potentially, at least
11:32<Kayron>So it's just patched but not updated to the latest version, ok
11:32<Kayron>So that banner version doesnt matter
11:32<SynrG>yes. and the DSAs will tell you this
11:32<Kayron>Got it
11:32<SynrG>so just follow debian's security advisories about the things you're concerned about
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11:33<Kayron>Okay. Now assuming I've removed testing, whats the best way to tell it to downgrade?
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11:36<Kayron>It now says "openssh-server is already the newest version.
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11:38<SynrG>dpkg -l openssh-server
11:38<dpkg>ii openssh-server 1.4-5 synrg's private stamp collection
11:38<SynrG>shush, dpkg
11:38<SynrG>Kayron: give us the version# from that
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11:38<babilen>Kayron: You might have to reinstall the system, but you could pin stable to a priority >= 1001 and run "apt-get dist-upgrade" and hope for the best. Downgrade's aren't really supported, but it might work. Alternatively: Install all upgraded packages in the wheezy version with dpkg, you should find them in your cache at /var/cache/apt/archives/
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11:39<babilen>Given that you upgraded quite a lot I am quite certain that you will have to reinstall. Please also include the output of "dpkg -l libc6 apt dpkg libgnutls26" and put it on
11:41<Kayron>reinstalling isn't an option, I have data on there that I don't have space to move elsewhere...oh well, I guess it can stay on this version for now
11:41<Kayron>at least it's safe
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11:42<babilen>Kayron: Mind pasting the requested output?
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11:45<babilen>yeah, broken
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11:46<babilen>Kayron: That system is in a very inconsistent state and won't be easy to downgrade. I would strongly recommend to ensure that you sort this out ASAP in particular if you are concerned about this system's security.
11:46<babilen>Kayron: You can *try* what I mentioned above (the pinning approach), but there is no guarantee that it will work and, frankly, I am not convinved that it will.
11:47<Kayron>ok, thanks
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11:47<babilen>Kayron: Alternatively upgrade to testing (or, if you care about security, unstable) which, obviously, isn't an option on a production machine either.
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11:48<Kayron>this server is very asecured otherwise, using iptables, and I'm now adding a passworded ssh keypair
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11:52<Kayron>openssh-server_6.0p1-4_amd64.deb 08-Feb-2013 22:33 331K -- again, how is this still safe? latest version on stable
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11:53<babilen>Kayron: SynrG already explained that security support in Debian works by patching the code and uploading the newly compiled versions.
11:53<Kayron>I'm assuming that date was when the file was modified
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11:53<Kayron>I expected a date in March 2014
11:53<babilen>Kayron: Debian also uses dynamically linked libraries so that you only have to fix the library in order to fix the binaries that are linked against it.
11:54<babilen>And, as we have establed about ten times already, you would have been using a fixed version of gnutls if you had actually installed security updates. (which you hadn't)
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11:55<Kayron>So the fact that it says it's using OpenSSL doesn't matter, okay
11:55<Kayron>got it
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12:01<babilen>Kayron: No, surely it does, but in regard to the quoted CVE (which might or might not have been the one you tried to refer to) the problem has been fixed. As we don't know which actual bug (CVE!!) you refered to we don't know if it has been fixed.
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12:01<Kayron>The bug I linked to earlier, found in early March
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12:02<babilen>Kayron: -- which link?
12:03<babilen>Kayron: If you refer to arstechnica: It is indeed referencing
12:03<babilen>which has been fixed
12:03<soundconjurer>I have a RAID0 system with Windows 8, no UEFI, and installing Debian. It is asking me to select a "Device for boot loader installation". it shows "/dev/md" as the default at the moment.
12:03<Kayron>yes, I was referring to that
12:03<soundconjurer>Is that where I should install GRUB?
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13:43<bcnjr5>I noticed there is a section in the apt repository called 'stable'. Should I use that instead of 'wheezy'?
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13:47<mtn>bcnjr5: always use the name, like wheezy, in your sources.list. don't use the word stable.
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13:49<petn-randall>bcnjr5: Use only 'stable' if you like release upgrades when you least expect them.
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13:50<bcnjr5>Is 'stable' just a copy of the latest stable release?
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13:53<awal>bcnjr5, all your doubts are clarified in the links I attached
13:53<bcnjr5>Thank you. Stable it is.
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14:02<bcnjr5>When I update apt, I get warnings that 'stable-proposed-updates' and 'stable-backports' return the 'wheezy' equivalent. Is this normal?
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14:06<petn-randall>bcnjr5: Again, you should be using 'wheezy' instead of 'stable'.
14:06<bcnjr5>petn-randall: But I would like the latest stable packages, not wheezy-specific.
14:07<petn-randall>bcnjr5: Wheezy is stable!
14:07<bcnjr5>petn-randall: When a new stable version is released?
14:07<petn-randall>bcnjr5: And unless you want to surprise-upgrade to jessie in about a year, you should be using 'wheezy' everywhere in /etc/apt/sources.list.
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14:08<bcnjr5>petn-randall: When a new stable ver
14:08<bcnjr5>* petn-randall: That's what I mean.
14:09<petn-randall>bcnjr5: And having wheezy in there and 'stable-backports' will surely break your system if you end up installing jessie-backports packages on a wheezy system.
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14:11<bcnjr5>petn-randall: So this is wrong?
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14:11<petn-randall>bcnjr5: Do you like surprise upgrades?
14:12<bcnjr5>petn-randall: I don't see the problem with them.
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14:13<petn-randall>bcnjr5: dist-upgrading needs preparation, you don't want to end up partially upgrading your system.
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14:15<mtn>bcnjr5: you have been told several times already
14:15<petn-randall>bcnjr5: If you decide to install a package after jessie turned stable, you might end up installing only half the library upgrades, and your system might turn unbootable.
14:15<bcnjr5>But if I install all the upgrades at once?
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14:16<petn-randall>bcnjr5: It's your machine, do whatever you like! If it breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
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14:19<daniel_>boa tarde...
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14:22<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:46<supernil>hello. i have a dell inspiron 3520, with debian wheezy installed on it. my problem is that, whenever i connect headphones to the jack, my speakers do not go mute. any help please?
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14:49<somiaj>supernil: are you using the intel hda sound card/chipset?
14:50<supernil>i think so...
14:50<somiaj>supernil: there are lots of variants on that chipset called models, you can set this with alsa. If you can find teh correct model for your laptop it should correctly change that feature so it turns off the speakers when you plug in headphones
14:51<somiaj>supernil: on my toshiba laptop I had the same issue and ended up being the 'thinkpad' model is the one that worked for me.
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14:52<supernil>please can you tell me how do i do it?
14:53<somiaj>supernil: I would create a file /etc/modprobe.d/intel_hda.conf
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14:54<somiaj>supernil: in that file add one line 'options snd-hda-intel model=foo' where foo is form this list (one second)
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14:55<somiaj>looks like you can try model=auto but if that doesn't work you can play aroudn with other options
14:55<somiaj>you have to remove and reload the module with modprobe after you make that file
14:56<SynrG>grep -i codec /proc/asound/card0/codec#0
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14:56<SynrG>the kernel doc contains the list
14:56<somiaj> -- scroll down to the intel module and there are the different modules
14:56<SynrG>but it should be only the model options that match your codec
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14:57<SynrG>(assuming your intel-hda is card0, which it usually is)
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14:58<SynrG>often it's simpler to just use a backports kernel
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14:59<SynrG>if auto isn't working for you, your model may be better supported in a later kernel
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14:59<SynrG>and auto should be the default, in any case
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15:16<supernil>ok. i did edit the file. now how do i remove and reload the module?
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15:17<SynrG>supernil: did you determine your codec?
15:18<SynrG>just modprobe -r snd_hda_intel ; modprobe snd_hda_intel
15:18<SynrG>but ... make sure no processes are using sound
15:18<SynrG>on a desktop system, you may need to log out to do that easily
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15:19<supernil>SynrG: my codec is cirrus logic id 4213.
15:19<supernil>i am now trying the auto model.
15:20<SynrG>which i think is a no-op
15:20<supernil>yeah. it wasnt on the list.
15:20<SynrG>i don't even see Cirrus Logic 4213 on the list, so ...
15:20<SynrG>backports kernel?
15:21<SynrG>there's no point in trying other models for a codec that the kernel doesn't even support :p
15:21<supernil>ok. then older kernels?
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15:23<SynrG>eh? why older?
15:23<SynrG>!bpo kernel
15:23<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
15:23<SynrG>i can't imagine going backwards is going to help
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15:24<supernil>oh! i thought backporting means going to old kernel
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15:25<SynrG>the other way around. providing a newer kernel *back* for an older release of debian
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15:26<supernil>so how do i add backport support in source.list?
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15:28<SynrG>supernil: read and do the instructions above?
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15:28<SynrG>supernil: query the bot to ask about the things you don't know how to do (wheezy-backports)
15:28<SynrG>supernil: i.e. /msg dpkg wheezy-backports
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16:19<imiz>Anyone mind helping me get my nvidia card going? I have installed bumblebee and primus and cant run any of thier commands from terminal
16:19<imiz>I just got the eso working in wine with sound but now I have noticed my nvidia isnt working.
16:19<imiz>I shows it though when I run inxi -G
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16:23<oliverp>anyone who how to install GNOME-photos in Debian, without build it from source?
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16:26<Dave11>is there anybody?
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16:27<jj>I am getting Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ Hash Sum mismatch
16:28<jj>and i've been getting it all day .. it's been doing it for 10 hours now.. what can be the cause?
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16:29<blumoon>jj: change server address for your source list
16:29<jj>blumoon i did that hours ago , i came into here and someone gave me this advice.. to change mirror servers and i did change to many
16:29<jj>blumoon, but i'll do it again... just to see
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16:32<blumoon>jj: if that doesnt work try this
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16:33<jj>blumoon, ok i will try that.. this is a fresh install.. basically it works fine without the multiarch added.. but when i add multiarch it does this everytime
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16:35<jj>blumoon, W: Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ Hash Sum mismatch
16:35<jj>E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.same error
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16:37<blumoon>jj: source setup for multi arch is different how did you first set it up
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16:37<david__>if I have 12.04, can I upgrade directly to 14.04 when it comes out?
16:37<jj>blumoon, maybe i did that wrong.. i simply put a command sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
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16:38<jj>david__, for ubuntu yes, you should be able to
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16:39<jj>blumoon, my sources list are as follows: deb testing main contrib non-free
16:39<jj>deb jessie-updates main contrib non-free
16:39<jj>deb jessie/updates main contrib non-free
16:39<jayanth>anyone there ?
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16:43<jayanth>i have a problem. I tried to install debian
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16:44<jayanth>it stops install and says boot loader failed to install
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16:44<jayanth>what should i do ?
16:44<devil>did it ask you where to install the bootloader?
16:45<jayanth>i tried to install it in master boot record
16:45<jayanth>it still gives me the same error
16:46<jayanth>i even tried in virtual box
16:46<jayanth>same error there
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16:46<jayanth>any suggestion on i should so ?
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16:47<devil>jayanth: not from me, not familiar with debian installer :(
16:48<jayanth>Anyway thanks.
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17:57<gaet>hi. I think this question might be ok to ask here since it's about debian in general rather then testing specific. I'm having issues with this bug with the current testing/i386 . apt fails to unxz the Packages.xz file but I can do it on my own. My question is, if I cp my own Packages file to /var/lib/apt/lists/foo_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages, can I still rely on apts security checkings, like signa
17:59<centrx>gaet, Try #debian-next
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18:00<reamer>I know this is for Debian stable, so if I compiled the latest kernel (3.13.7) for hardware support, which channel would be appropriate for questions on the matter? #debian-kernel? It's a wireless card that I'm trying to get working. Thanks.
18:00<gaet>centrx: It's about signature verification in apt in general, not about this specific bug
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18:01<SynrG>reamer: generally, you would use a kernel backport for that
18:01<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-rc7-686-pae (3.14~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.7-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.13.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
18:02<SynrG>reamer: what's the specific card? lspci -nn | grep -i network
18:02<gaet>reamer: did you install firmware-linux?
18:02<gaet>you might need to enable non-free repos
18:02<SynrG>or firmware-linux-nonfree, i think you mean
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18:03<gaet>SynrG: firmware-linux depends on firmware-linux-{non,}free
18:03<reamer>Could I compile one of the wheezy backport kernels into my current install? Working with kernels outside of the stable releases is very new to me
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18:03<reamer>Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:08b1] (rev 63)
18:04<reamer>I know I need at least kernel version 3.10+
18:04<SynrG>reamer: why do you need to compile your own?
18:04<SynrG>,pciids [8086:08b1]
18:04<SynrG>,pciid [8086:08b1]
18:04<judd>[8086:08b1] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also
18:05<SynrG>,pciid [8086:08b1] --release testing
18:05<judd>[8086:08b1] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also
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18:05<SynrG>reamer: you should be able to use the wheezy-backports kernel as-is
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18:05<SynrG>with the iwlwifi kernel module
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18:06<reamer>I know the testing releases are using the kernel that supports it, I was just trying to stay as close to stable as possible.
18:06<SynrG>reamer: and using the backport *is* staying as close to stable as possible
18:06<SynrG>!tell reamer about bpo kernel
18:06<reamer>This kernel is running fine, and I have the ucode files in /lib/firmware but they're not loading.
18:07<SynrG>dmesg |grep -i firmware
18:07<reamer>I'll probably try the backport kernel and see what happens.
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18:08<reamer>dmesg | grep -i firmware
18:08<reamer>[ 0.136674] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
18:08<reamer>[ 2.356669] platform microcode: Direct firmware load failed with error -2
18:08<reamer>[ 2.396425] platform microcode: Direct firmware load failed with error -2
18:08<reamer>[ 2.400415] platform microcode: Direct firmware load failed with error -2
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18:12<SynrG>maybe you need the firmware backport too
18:12<SynrG>,v firmware-linux-nonfree
18:12<judd>Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.41~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.41; sid/non-free: 0.41
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18:13<SynrG>so rather than build your kernel, just enable wheezy-backports and install both the kernel and firmware-linux from backports
18:13<reamer>Synrg: I'll go use the backports and see what kind of results I have. Thanks for all the help!
18:15<SynrG>np. good luck
18:15<SynrG>reamer: it *may* be that just the updated firmware is enough to solve it ...
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18:16<SynrG>reamer: however, it's still recommended you use the debian kernel packages over building your own, as these are supported (have security updates, etc.)
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18:18<reamer>Synrg: I definitely like the idea of backports over using the one I compiled, I just wasn't familiar with them (and wanted to see what compiling a kernel was like). Which updated firmware were you talking about though? I lost some info when everyone was trying to help at once and I was trying to reply.
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18:19<SynrG>reamer: once backports is enabled: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install firmware-linux
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18:25<reamer>Synrg: I'm getting this after adding the wheezy backports to sources.list "Package 'firmware-linux' has no installation candidate"
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18:26<reamer>Synrg: do I need to go back to the stable kernel and use the backports from there instead of the kernel I'm currently using?
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18:31<gaet>reamer: there should be a release candidate for firmware-linux in wheezy-backports. Did you run aptitude update before?
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18:33<reamer>gaet: I did run apt-get update, and I found the firmware-linux package online, but I'm still getting the message above about no installation candidate.
18:33<gsimmons>reamer: You need to include non-free sources within your backports lines; /msg dpkg non-free sources
18:34<gsimmons>Also, firmware used by the iwlwifi driver is in the firmware-iwlwifi package, not firmware-linux/firmware-linux-nonfree.
18:36<reamer>gsimmons: I already have the latest firmware-iwlwifi package installed. The proper ucode file is in /lib/firmware, but looking at modinfo iwlwifi shows that the firmware isn't loading.
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18:39<gsimmons>reamer: What firmware-iwlwifi version is currently installed? ("dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi | tail -1")
18:40<reamer>gsimmons: firmware-iwlwifi 0.41~bpo70+1
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18:41<gsimmons>reamer: And the kernel version currently in use? (uname -r)
18:41<reamer>gsimmons: 3.13.7
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18:42<gsimmons>reamer: That's not the backport kernel, that's your self-compiled one. You would want to reboot into the bdo kernel.
18:44<reamer>gsimmons: Yeah, I haven't actually moved to a backport kernel yet. I was just trying some last minute things before I did. I'll move to a bpo kernel before I waste more of y'alls time. lol
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18:58<SynrG>resmo_: do you have non-free added to the backports line too?
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19:16<mask>i have an issue where every now and again my screen will have a very fuzzy display, where the normal gui icons are blurry and pixels are turning on and off, sometime with is a minor amount of blurriness, sometimes it is a major amount of blurriness. Here are the contents of my Xorg.0.log file when it is only slightly blurry:, here are the contents of Xorg.0.log when it is very blurry:, does anyone
19:16<mask>know what is causing the blurriness and how it can be fixed?
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19:24<somiaj>mask: sounds more like hardware? Do you have another monintor/cable you could check. maybe video card?
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19:25<mask>somiaj, how would i go about checking those things?
19:26<mask>somiaj, do you have a recommendation as to what i should specifically look for?
19:26<somiaj>is this a laptop or desktop?
19:26<somiaj>yea I wouldn't know how to test them on a netbook. do you have linux-firmware-nonfree installed?
19:27<somiaj>to me it sounds like a hardware issue. Unless you had very bad drivers I don't see bluriness as an effect of that
19:28<somiaj>it looks like you are using the radeon driver and have the nonfree firmware installed so I don't think that is the issue. What version of debian are you running?
19:28<mask>debian 7 xfce
19:29<mask>i do remember that even with the nonfree files installed i still had to go in and install some additional firmware files when i was loading this OS
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19:30<somiaj>mask: yea I doubt it is a driver/software issue. Do you have a plug for an external monintor on that netbook and one you could test out. that way you can see if it is the screen or not.
19:30<somiaj>actually here is an idea, can you take a screenshot of the bluryness and host it somewhere?
19:31<mask>somiaj, its not currently blurry, the problem is easily fixed by just restarting the computer, but it always comes back eventually
19:31<mask>but i will try and take a snapshot next time
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19:32<mask>as for another monitor, i dont have anything on hand sadly
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19:33<somiaj>mask: well if the bluryness is in the screenshot then it is video card or driver issue. I would say hardware, but it could be some strange driver issue.
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19:34<somiaj>if the bluryness doesn't get saved in the screenshot then it is the issue of the monintor.
19:34<mask>somiaj, would there be any other place where a log about the error would be stored?
19:34<somiaj>at least taht is what I would think
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19:34<somiaj>you can check the out put of dmesg see if you see any strange kernel messages
19:34<somiaj>./var/log/messages has that too
19:37<mask>somiaj, the output of both of those files is huge, what would i look for?
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19:41<somiaj>no clue, you can grep for radeon (that is the driver name)
19:42<somiaj>how old of a netbook?
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19:44<mask>ive had it maybe 2 yrs now
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20:43<abrotman>yes, we see you
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20:43<georgeeeeeeeee>thx , typing from android
20:44<giltoon>What will happen if I try to run a binary o
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20:45<giltoon>I'm also on Android lol :)
20:48<giltoon>I just wonder what will happen if I try to run a binary located on a mounted remote filysystem (like webdav) ??
20:48*SynrG rolls his eyes at abrotman
20:49<SynrG>giltoon: on Debian? and what would you expect?
20:49<giltoon>I don't have a way to test that now
20:50<SynrG><- on android too. just not so gleeful about it
20:50<giltoon>But let's say I have a totally portable program on remote filysystem
20:51<giltoon>And I mount filesystem locallly
20:51<SynrG>why should it matter what filesystem it is on? unless it is mounted noexec
20:51<giltoon>And try to run it. Will it work?
20:52<SynrG>with the exception i noted, yes
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20:52<giltoon>The difference is that filesystem is remote
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20:53<giltoon>So file is not really in local machine
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20:55<SynrG>filesystems are an abstraction … this means from the user's perspective it's all just files. doesn't matter where they reside
20:55<giltoon>It's possible to mount remote webdav storage using fuse kernel module.
20:56<SynrG>if they behaved differently, it wouldn't be very useful
20:56<giltoon>But files are not really on local machine
20:56<giltoon>Hope you get me
20:57<SynrG>again, not sure why you think that matters. local or remote, the filesystem serves up the same data to be loaded into memory and run.
20:57<giltoon>Well, my question is how they will behave..
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21:00<giltoon>I think they should be downloaded first
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21:01<giltoon>And then load into memory
21:01<giltoon>Which is probably OK for a single file binary
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21:02<giltoon>But if the program consists of many files which are needed to be fetched on the fly..
21:03<SynrG>the whole point of the remote filesystem is that "downloading" and "uploading" are transparent
21:03<giltoon>Maybe the whole program will crash
21:03<SynrG>again, the user doesn't care. it's all just files
21:04<SynrG>the only limit here is network speed. it's like serving data from a slow local disk
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21:05<giltoon>But it's across the internet. So it poseds many other problems
21:06<SynrG>anyway, we are a long way from solving any Debian problem here that i can see so I'm done.
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21:06<SynrG>parting advice: try it and see
21:08<giltoon>SynrG you can say "I don't know the answer " that's perfectly fine
21:08<oldlaptop>giltoon: the program won't care
21:08<SynrG>i already gave the answer
21:08<oldlaptop>It will behave, as far as the program's concerned, like a really really slow disk
21:09<oldlaptop>I know
21:09<SynrG>you're just not hearing
21:09<giltoon>You don't need to disappear Luke that
21:09<SynrG>i am in BED
21:09<SynrG>and TIRED
21:09<giltoon>Me too I'm in bed
21:09<oldlaptop>giltoon: the whole point of a remote filesystem is to abstract stuff like that away
21:10<giltoon>Thank u both
21:10<giltoon>I will try that tommorow
21:10<oldlaptop>It won't download the whole thing in one shot, it will read things as it needs them
21:10<giltoon>Will mount my box. Com storage as webdav
21:10<oldlaptop>probably caches reads too
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21:11<giltoon>If it works that would be wonderful thing
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21:12<giltoon>Oldlaptop. That's my cunfusion
21:13<oldlaptop>It will work exactly the same way things have worked on nfs for decades
21:13<oldlaptop>thousands of thin client machines and the like mount */* over nfs
21:14<giltoon>Because. Afaik ram should be able to load things fast. Not sure how it will work across network. With an heavy program
21:14<oldlaptop>it won't be fast
21:14<oldlaptop>but it will work
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21:15<oldlaptop>Depends on the network too
21:15<giltoon>So lets take this big step further
21:15<oldlaptop>diskless machines that mount root on nfs generally have fast network connections, at least to the nfs server(s)
21:16<giltoon>What if I try to run a full Qemu Vm located on webdav filesystem?
21:16<giltoon>Will that work?
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21:17<oldlaptop>why wouldn't it?
21:18<abrotman>how is this related to Debian again?
21:19<giltoon>What will be the I/o speed if everything done across internet?
21:19<giltoon>Sounds crazy..
21:19<abrotman>how is this related to Debian again?
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21:20<giltoon>I'm running debian abortman
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21:21<giltoon>And that's where I'm planning to try it
21:22<giltoon>Maybe there are special issues with debian I should know
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22:05<phipoolert>hey gays
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22:15<mrYOGA>А русские в этом чате есть?
22:16<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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23:52<luciano>hi , i have problem whit lazarus and xfce4 terminal , any idea?
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