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00:04<RuPeRterer>i am not getting sound via hdmi
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00:05<ste>. o O SaluT / IN
00:05<ste>Can someone tell me how to check which gtk version is running ?
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00:05<Gintru>Thanks in advance
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00:08<saiyan>try dpkg -l "*gtk*" | grep ii
00:10<RuPeRterer>can anyone help me with sound problem
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00:14<saiyan>maybe, hold on
00:14<saiyan>what audio card do you have
00:15<Gintru>saiyan / thanks !
00:15<Gintru>saiyan / this give me too much output
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00:15<Gintru>saiyan / with libgtk instead of gtk, it's better but
00:16<Gintru>it won't tell me wha's actually working
00:16<Gintru>when I launch an app, gedit ie
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00:16<RuPeRterer>one esec
00:16<saiyan>did you change your name from ste to gintru?
00:17<Gintru>yes I did
00:17<saiyan>ah ok lol i was like wait thats not the same person
00:17<Gintru>I said Thanks in advance right just after
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00:17*ste again
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00:17<Gintru>me back
00:17<RuPeRterer>cat /proc/asound/cards
00:17<RuPeRterer>0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
00:17<RuPeRterer>HDA ATI SB at 0xfe024000 irq 16
00:17<RuPeRterer>1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
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00:17<RuPeRterer>1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI
00:17<RuPeRterer>HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfdefc000 irq 19
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00:18<saiyan>lol
00:19<saiyan>um
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00:19<saiyan>wait so youre trying to get sound through HDMI?
00:19<RuPeRterer>yea i am
00:20<Gintru>I have it :
00:20<Gintru>type this : ldd /usr/bin/gedit
00:20<saiyan>ah, cool
00:20<Gintru>will give you all libs the binary is using
00:20<Gintru>then I found libgtk-3.so.0
00:20<RuPeRterer>who me
00:20<Gintru>if it's not gtk 3. it's weird
00:20<Gintru>Thabks, bye
00:20<Gintru>SaluT / OuT O o .
00:21<saiyan>bye lol
00:21<saiyan>ok so lets see
00:22<saiyan>RuPeRterer: try typing "lspci | grep VGA"
00:23<somiaj>RuPeRterer: echo -e 'defaults.ctl.card 1\ndefaults.pcm.card 1' > $HOME/.asoundrc -- That will set your default sound card to 1 (your hdmi sound card) over your current 0
00:23<RuPeRterer>-bash: ispci: command not found
00:23<saiyan>its lspci but nvm that wont work anyways
00:23<somiaj>RuPeRterer: I'm assuming you awnt to change your default sound card. Otherwise you have to configure/tell your software to use your HDMI sound card for each piece of software
00:23<saiyan>type lspci and look for the audio card
00:24<RuPeRterer>alsmixer ?
00:24<somiaj>again notice how your hdmi is soundcard 1, so you can run 'alsamixer -c 1'
00:25<somiaj>or hit f6 in alsamixer to select the soundcard you want
00:25<RuPeRterer>do i need to set it to 0
00:25<saiyan>can someone help me install laMp?
00:26<saiyan>(linux, apache, mySQL,, PHP)
00:26<somiaj>RuPeRterer: look at the output you pasted and got kciked for (don't pate it again)
00:26<somiaj>RuPeRterer: notice how your hdmi card is card 1, so if you want to use your hdmi audio set it to card 1
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00:26<RuPeRterer>sudo alsamixer -c 1
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00:26<somiaj>you shiouldn't need to be root for that
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00:27<somiaj>saiyan: Do you have an actual debian question, yes grab a debian netinstall image and read the install guide (okay now you have debian linux isntalled) from there use apt to install the rest.
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00:28<saiyan>thats the problem
00:28<saiyan>i think i messed up a file that grabs the sources, when i try to use apt it says no installation candidate
00:28<somiaj>well then state what the problem is, and don't ask such a generic question.
00:28<saiyan>lol
00:28<somiaj>saiyan: can you put a copy of your sources.list at paste.debian.net?
00:28<saiyan>sure
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00:31<saiyan>http://pastebin.com/91BNP1d1
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00:33<RuPeRterer>somiaj
00:33<RuPeRterer>what else can i do
00:33<somiaj>saiyan: that looks fine, but I notice that you include contrib and non-free only in one of the sources. I would suggest getting security updates from contrib and non-free too.
00:33<Infiltrator>saiyan: Replace 'Wheezy' with 'wheezy'.
00:33<somiaj>saiyan: what is the exact command you type when you get 'no installation candiate'?
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00:34<saiyan>ok
00:34<somiaj>Infiltrator: oh nice, I didn't even notice that.
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00:34<saiyan>hold on
00:35<Infiltrator>somiaj: No worries.
00:35<somiaj>saiyan: after you change the Wheezy to wheezy and add contrib non-free to the other lines (mostly security), run apt-get udpate.
00:35<somiaj>update
00:36<saiyan>nice!!
00:36<saiyan>is it possible to just take off contrib non-free from the first one?
00:37<saiyan>i didnt know the sources were case sensitive
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00:37<saiyan>thanks man i didnt know my problem would be solved this easy
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00:40<Infiltrator>saiyan: If you're not using any contrib and non-free packages, then yes, it is safe to remove that.
00:40<somiaj>saiyan: sure, unless you want non-free software
00:40<somiaj>saiyan: I was just thinking if you chose to use non-free softare you best get security updates too. (:
00:41<RuPeRterer>somiaj u give up on me lol
00:41<somiaj>RuPeRterer: I told you what you needed to know, You need to use soundcard 1 if you want to use HDMI.
00:42<RuPeRterer>i did run 'alsamixer -c 1
00:42<saiyan>ah ok lol
00:42<RuPeRterer>no sound
00:42<saiyan>somiaj: yes I am running adobe flash and other nonfree software so i guess I should add contrib non-free to the security updates
00:42<somiaj>RuPeRterer: aplay -c 1 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
00:43<somiaj>RuPeRterer: run that command, do you hear noise comming out of your hdmi sound card?
00:43<somiaj>saiyan: yes that would be the smart thing to do? (:
00:43<Infiltrator>saiyan: Look into gnash.
00:43<saiyan>lol yes it would
00:44<RuPeRterer>aplay -c 1 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
00:44<RuPeRterer>aplay: main:682: audio open error: Device or resource busy
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00:45<somiaj>RuPeRterer: do you run pulseaudio? If so that or some other piece of software has opened up the sound card device.
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00:46<RuPeRterer>som
00:46<RuPeRterer>no idea i dont think i ran it
00:46<RuPeRterer>pretty sure i didnt open it
00:47<somiaj>RuPeRterer: ps fax | grep pulse -- or dpkg -l | grep pulse (do you see pulseaudio running or installed)?
00:48<RuPeRterer>3987 pts/0 S+ 0:00 \_ grep pulse
00:48<RuPeRterer>3670 ? S<l 2:38 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
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00:48<somiaj>RuPeRterer: okay you have pulseaudio installed and it is controling your sound cards (some good/some bad thigns about that)
00:48<somiaj>RuPeRterer: this means you need to configure pulseaudio to use the hdmi card 1 as default. Since I do not and have not used pulse I have no clue how to do this.
00:49<RuPeRterer>i have no idea wth pulse audio is
00:49<themill>pavucontrol
00:49<RuPeRterer>can i get rid of pulseaudo or no
00:50<somiaj>RuPeRterer: choice is yours, I don't like it, but that is just me. I think you are free to chooose for yourself. listen to themill and look at the pavucontrol program
00:50<RuPeRterer>i have not clue i am a debian noob
00:51<RuPeRterer>no^
00:52<somiaj>RuPeRterer: at this point it will be easiset to 1) apt-get install pavucontrol
00:52<somiaj>RuPeRterer: 2) run pavucontrol and use the graphical ui it gives you to configure pulseaudio (including setting your hdmi as your dfault sound card)
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00:53<RuPeRterer>that will be on desktop now i am guessin i was just terminal in
00:53<RuPeRterer>this whole time
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00:59<RuPeRterer>themill u around
00:59<RuPeRterer>som i see the bar movin and stuff but still no sound
01:00<somiaj>RuPeRterer: if you have a specific question best to just ask it and not try to find your favoirte helper
01:00<RuPeRterer>i open up the gui
01:01<RuPeRterer>and the bars aree moving i set everything to hdmi still no sound coming out
01:01<somiaj>As I said I would not know how to use/configure it as that is not something I have done. I was hoping it would be simple enough.
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01:02<somiaj>haha the documentation from pavucontrol's webpage, "There is not much to say. Just run pavucontrol and see for yourself."
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01:05<RuPeRterer>how can i remove pusle audio
01:06<somiaj>!alsa checklist
01:06<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
01:06<somiaj>oh thought that said how
01:06<somiaj>You can start with apt-get remove pulseaudio
01:07*themill notes that won't magically make sound come from a different device
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01:08<RuPeRterer>i just want sound i dunno why shit has to be a pain lol
01:08<somiaj>RuPeRterer: again I heard good things about pulseaudio. I'm was hoping you could muddle your way though that gui to configure it correctly.
01:08<RuPeRterer>i am pretty sure i config it correctly
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01:10<somiaj>RuPeRterer: Well take the path you want to. At this point your choice is 1) learn to configure pulseaudio (they do have a channel on freenode I belive)
01:11<somiaj>RuPeRterer: 2) remove pulseaudio and learn to configure alsa. Pulse actually has features alsa does not have (software mixing can be a pain in alsa)
01:11<somiaj>and even more.
01:11<RuPeRterer>i dont need that
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01:12<RuPeRterer>ps fax | grep pulse
01:12<RuPeRterer>3802 pts/0 S+ 0:00 \_ grep pulse
01:12<RuPeRterer>so doest that mean only pulse is runing now
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01:13<RuPeRterer>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
01:13<RuPeRterer>aplay: set_params:1087: Channels count non available
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01:14<somiaj>RuPeRterer: sorry that is because I gave you the wrong command, on second
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01:16<RuPeRterer>no though on gui in sounds no output is there anymore lol
01:17<somiaj>RuPeRterer: http://paste.debian.net/90889/ -- put that in $HOME/.asoundrc
01:17<somiaj>RuPeRterer: then run the command 'aplay aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav'
01:17<somiaj>only one aply there
01:18<RuPeRterer>what do u mean by put that in $HOME/.asoundrc
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01:19<somiaj>RuPeRterer: create a file $HOME/.asoundrc with a text editor. this is usualy /home/username/.asoundrc
01:20<RuPeRterer>should i not do as root
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01:21<somiaj>RuPeRterer: if you do it as root, then use /root for $HOME, or you can 'echo $HOME' it is just a shell enviorment variable
01:21<RuPeRterer>root@localhost:~# nano $HOME/.asoundrc
01:21<RuPeRterer>root@localhost:~# aplay aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
01:21<RuPeRterer>aplay: No such file or directory
01:21<ncl>"aplay aplay"
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01:22<RuPeRterer>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
01:22<RuPeRterer>aplay: set_params:1087: Channels count non available
01:25<somiaj>RuPeRterer: one second, let me boot up my laptop. (:
01:26<RuPeRterer>k
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01:27<somiaj>RuPeRterer: give me the output of 'aplay -l' at paste.debian.net
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01:28<andrees>hola alguin habla castellano
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01:29<andrees>hola
01:29<somiaj>!es
01:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
01:29<andrees>thanks
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01:31<RuPeRterer>ones sec sorry
01:31<andrees>#debian-es
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01:32<somiaj>andrees: /j #debian-es
01:32<RuPeRterer>http://paste.debian.net/90890/
01:33<somiaj>RuPeRterer: okay look at your hdmi card, see how it is 'card 1 device 3', I missed the device
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01:34<somiaj>RuPeRterer: http://paste.debian.net/90891/ -- modify your .asoundrc file like that to make the change
01:34<RuPeRterer>k not sure waht u mean but okay
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01:36<RuPeRterer>root@localhost:~# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
01:36<RuPeRterer>aplay: set_params:1087: Channels count non available
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01:38<Adduser>Who's the bot here?
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01:42<Adduser>ping -c 5 -s 3 dpkg
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01:58<RuPeRterer>I GIVE UP
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02:04<somiaj>RuPeRterer: sorry got distracted. I don't see why that didn't work. type 'echo $HOME' as root, that says /root right?
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02:05<somiaj>RuPeRterer: your $HOME/.asoundrc file is as I pasted the second time, no typos?
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02:08<babilen>RuPeRterer: I assume that you are using pulseaudio, install pacucontrol and select hdmi as output sink in the configuration. (not sure how that plays together with the asoundrc changes)
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02:09<somiaj>babilen: he couldn't figure out how to use pavucontrol and wanted to remove pulseaudio and configure alsa.
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02:11<babilen>RuPeRterer: Oh, not such a splendid idea :)
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03:46<work>help
03:47<babilen>dpkg: ask
03:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:08<nocturnal>I need help with wm suggestions. I've been locked in a ratpoison bubble for many years and now I'm building a new computer with much cpu and ram. I still like the tiling WM concept but I'd like to know if there are tiling WMs with stuff like volume indicators, status bars with cpu load, ram usage. some eye candy basically.
04:08<nocturnal>I've been out of touch with WMs for years
04:08<nocturnal>don't know what's out there
04:08<nocturnal>I'm using wheezy
04:09<nocturnal>and yes I do already have some bindings in ratpoison that can show battery, load but only for a while with the ratpoison popup system. if I were to use a new WM I want it to show all the time.
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04:10<jm_>you can look at things like fbpanel, I simply use gkrellm for cpu/ram/swap/etc. info - there are other tools too (conky for example)
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04:12<nocturnal>is there a netwm compatible tiling wm?
04:13<nocturnal>found a list on wikipedia
04:13<nocturnal>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Window_Manager_Hints
04:13<jm_>is netwm the same as EWMH? if so awesome
04:13<nocturnal>yes
04:13<jm_>ahh it it is listed there yes
04:13<nocturnal>I asked because fbpanel was netwm compatible
04:14<nocturnal>thanks jm_
04:14<jm_>no worries
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04:15<flips^>I liked awesome
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04:15<flips^>never tried other tiling wm's
04:16<nocturnal>also I forgot about stacking, I wouldn't mind using a stacking WM again
04:16<nocturnal>but I'll try awesome
04:16<babilen>nocturnal: I'd recommend awesome wm even though it probably falls short on your "eye candy" wishlist. It does have a number of "widgets" through it's "vicious" library, but they aren't really in the "bling bling" category, but rather in the "textual/minimally graphical, but informative" class
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04:16<jm_>its handling of sticky windows put me off
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04:17<nocturnal>I'm with you babilen. with eye candy I mostly meant some status indicators. right now with ratpoison I have a small screen so it's all dedicated to ratpoison. but with my new computer I'll have lots of real estate
04:17<jm_>nocturnal: awesome can be stacking too
04:17<babilen>jm_: Care to elaborate?
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04:17<flips^>I tend to end up with either openbox/fluxbox or awesome
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04:18<jm_>babilen: about sticky windows? it gave focus to my stick window (gkrellm) each time I switched to a different desktop (I think they call that tags)
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04:19<jm_>I ended up hacking some lua scripts to get arround that but there was something that still didn't quite work wel enough so I gave up :)
04:19<babilen>Sounds sensible - I still miss wmii which simply was the best WM ever (even though the choice of configuration language and then the choice to "support all, but none of them well" killed it eventually)
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04:19<babilen>jm_: That sounds like a bug, but I don't really use that functionality so I can't really comment on that.
04:20<jm_>I also needed to add support for the same features I rely on in icewm - ignoreTaskBar and ignoreWinList and it was most likely interaction with all this that ended in poor user experience, the idea is good, I just needed to invest too much time to tailor it to me
04:21<flips^>speaking of wm, I almost feel like digging out my old .fvwmrc and give it a go :)
04:21<jm_>yeah that was the first one I used before the original icewm author started writing that in the same lab and then I switched over
04:22<nocturnal>flips^: care to post your .fvwmrc online?
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04:22<jm_>it was actually fvwm2, not the 1.x
04:23<babilen>I was using fluxbox back then ...
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04:24<flips^>nocturnal: If I can find it ... ;-p It's in some backup from my sparc days, I was still clinging to fvwm 1.2 long after 2.x, but eventually had to switch because of ... something/some issue
04:24<flips^>but I think I had it running with gkrellm and xbuffy for stats/mail status
04:25<flips^>(I probably have it in version control for my old website, actually)
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04:27<D3RP>hello?
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04:27<D3RP>anyone?
04:27<nocturnal>yes
04:27<Guest5125>nope. no one around
04:28<D3RP>ok kewl
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04:28<D3RP>Ive been trying to replace iceweasel with firefox, but everytime i do remove, it wants to delete eveything
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04:28<nocturnal>firefox is not in debian repos, you're most likely using mint repos?
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04:29<D3RP>sourceforge
04:29<D3RP>im on debain
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04:29<D3RP>hence the channel
04:30<Human_G33k>use iceweasel
04:30<jm_>very few packages actually depend on iceweasel, how could it possibly remove everything?
04:30<nocturnal>well if you want a more current firefox release then I suggest using mozilla.debian.net repos instead.
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04:30<babilen>D3RP: Iceweasel *is* Firefox (modulo the branding) -- there really is no point in replacing it as all you get is a browser that is not nearly as integrated into the system as the one you've just removed
04:30<D3RP>yes i know, but I want to use firefox
04:30<Human_G33k>the pb with firefox is picture
04:31<D3RP>but thats not the main issue here
04:31<babilen>D3RP: You did probably install a matapackage that depends on IW and by removing IW you are also removing that metapackage (and with it all of the other dependencies)
04:31<D3RP>when i try to remove it, my computer tries to kill itself
04:31<babilen>D3RP: I doubt that
04:31<babilen>dpkg: bat
04:31<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
04:31<babilen>D3RP: But then: Use Iceweasel! You can get newer versions (yes, even beta and aurora) from http://mozilla.debian.net if that is what you are after.
04:32<D3RP>just a second
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04:32<D3RP>http://pastebin.com/M143LGSD
04:32<D3RP>there
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04:33<nocturnal>your profile will be saved
04:33<jm_>that's something completely different
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04:33<D3RP>Any idea on how to fix it?
04:33<babilen>D3RP: Please use http://paste.debian.net or another pastebin from now on if you want to do me a favour
04:34<babilen>D3RP: Use iceweasel -- seriously, why don't you want to?
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04:34<nocturnal>pastebin.com is even blocked by my company =) I have a proxy for those moments.
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04:34<D3RP>I didnt even know debain had a pastebin
04:35<D3RP>well its mostly for icedetea and firebug, but i like the themes too
04:35<babilen>D3RP: But then, the issue is as I detailed it above. You are removing iceweasel and thereby forcing the removal of gnome-core. As gnome-core is no longer installed the rest of its dependencies are removed. Install a smaller metapackage such as gnome-session and mark the rest of the packages you want to keep as being manually installed with apt-mark
04:36<babilen>D3RP: icedtea is in Debian too and you can install it for Iceweasel
04:36<babilen>judd: i icedtea-plugin
04:36<judd>Package icedtea-plugin (web, extra) in wheezy/i386: web browser plugin to execute Java applets (dependency package). Version: 1.3.2-1; Size: 8.1k; Installed: 35k; Homepage: http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web
04:36<mgv>firebug too [xul-ext-firebug]
04:36<D3RP>doesnt work
04:36<babilen>But then you can install firebug just normally as add-on.
04:36<babilen>D3RP: How so?
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04:37<mgv>D3RP: also, firefox themes work just as well in iceweasel
04:37<babilen>D3RP: I've just installed firebug on IW 27.0 and am using it without problems.
04:38<D3RP>well it seems something been updated in the last 48 since i had firefox on here cause sh*ts changed
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04:39<D3RP>ugh, now im getting an error installing icedtea
04:39<babilen>...
04:40<D3RP>http://paste.debian.net/90906/
04:40<mgv>security.kali.org?
04:40<jm_>firefox-mozilla-build is not in debian
04:41<D3RP>deb http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt all ma
04:41<D3RP>forgot the"in" at the end there
04:41<D3RP>but its a debain
04:41<babilen>D3RP: Mind pasting the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy firefox-mozilla-build icedtea-7-plugin" please?
04:41<jm_>we don't support non-debian packages here, and this is not a debian package
04:42<D3RP>Im running a debain distro, shouldent that count enough?
04:42<babilen>D3RP: We only support pure Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons. Kali is, just like any other derivative, not support by us.
04:43<babilen>dpkg: kali
04:43<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
04:43<D3RP>ugh, damn surface netters
04:43<D3RP>c ya
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04:43<babilen>*sigh*
04:45<rryoumaa>surface netter means what?
04:45<babilen>I have no idea
04:45<flips^>I was wondering the same ... :)
04:46<babilen>Anyway, lets move on and discuss the subleties of this endeavour in #debian-offtopic
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04:50<flips^>btw, got samba (default v3) behaving/working. Just started with an empty smb.conf from scratch, no issues ... need to do a diff and figure out what it was in the default smb.conf that caused the trouble
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04:55<orneryolphart>Howdy y'all!
04:55<orneryolphart>Is anyone here familiar with bandwidthd, the network usage monitoring utility available in the repos? If so, I have one quick question.
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04:57<orneryolphart>Can I use a 10/100 card to mirror to my switch, along with the built-in 1gb, or must they both be 1gb ethernet connections. Or, since my mobo has wireless built in, too, can i use it?
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05:01<jm_>orneryolphart: what do you mean with mirror to your switch?
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05:15<orneryolphart>bandwidthd calls for mirrored ports on one computer to the switch.
05:15<orneryolphart>http://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/show/1261-how-to-use-bandwidthd-to-monitor-your-network figure three explains
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05:16<orneryolphart>i.e., two ethernet connections, eth0, eth1
05:16<orneryolphart>and the usage data seems to be gathered via eth1, if i'm reading the conf file correctly.
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05:18<Gintru>Hi all
05:19<Gintru>again
05:19<Gintru>I would like to compile a package from source
05:19<Gintru>Can someone indicate me the best room to ask ?
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05:20<Gintru>for asking
05:20<orneryolphart>Gintru: http://www.aboutdebian.com/compile.htm
05:21<orneryolphart>That gives you the step-by-step process
05:22<orneryolphart>Gintru: USUALLY, compiling source code from Debian repos is pretty trouble-free. If it's from a third party source, though, and it has specific lib version requires, things can get...interesting.
05:23<orneryolphart>requires-requirements
05:23<orneryolphart>(sorry, I was typing blind; a small matter of a large cat demanding attention by jumping between me and the computer screen)
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05:25<Gintru>orneryolphart it is libgtk-3-0 the source debian package
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05:26<orneryolphart>Gintru, there should be no issues, then, assuming you're getting it from the repository for your version of Debian.
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05:26<Gintru>orneryolphart I was planning to make a ./configure, make and perhaps make install
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05:27<Gintru>orneryolphart I saw a patch directory : what to use to generate a correct patch file as diff don't do it
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05:28<Gintru>orneryolphart your nickname is fun
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05:31<flips^>diff -uNr ?
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05:31<orneryolphart>Gintru, to be honest, I'm pretty rusty at compiling, can't really help you with a correct patch file.
05:32<orneryolphart>and thanks for the compliment. it's fitting: i'm elderly and certainly ornery. :)
05:33<flips^>Gintru: I learnt quite a bit from this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
05:33<Gintru>I am french, I didn't know this word
05:34<Gintru>for me it jjust sound fun as sticked to the other
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05:34<Gintru>elderly are also cute if one look advised of it
05:34<orneryolphart>I have a few spare partitions on my hard drives, was thinking of downloading Crux Linux and building/installing it. I did so a few times, back around the kernel 2.6.24 era.
05:34<Gintru>thank you for the compile paper
05:35<orneryolphart>i'm not THAT elderly...young man.
05:35<orneryolphart>:)
05:35<Gintru>I will read it hoping I can grab everything I need
05:35<Gintru>I bet I am not so young thought
05:35<orneryolphart>I still get into the mosh pit, when my arthritis isn't acting up (I'm an old-school, first generation punk rocker)
05:37<flips^>Gintru: With diff usually -u for unified, -r for recursive and -N for new files should do the trick, I think
05:38<Gintru>i am looking for what the mosh pit is
05:39<Gintru>orneryolphart and me i am from 70's; nice to met you
05:40<Gintru>flips^ excellent , thank you,
05:40<orneryolphart>Gintru, here's a video of mosh pits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7w7m4lb2ok
05:41<orneryolphart>I helped invent moshing (we called it slam-dancing) back in the '70s.
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05:41<petn-randall>orneryolphart, Gintru, glad you found each other :). Join us on #debian-offtopic so we can keep this channel free for support requests.
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05:42<s>hi hi...
05:42<orneryolphart>kk, petn-randall, i joined it. i'd forgotten about it.
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05:42<Gintru>lol, yea, the mosh pit, la fausse in french
05:43<Gintru>where people can't sit
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05:43<Gintru>I must admit I knew that a little
05:44<orneryolphart>Gintru, to go to the debian-offtopic channel, type /join #debian-offtopic
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05:45<Gintru>i will remember debian-offtopic
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05:45<Gintru>right now I read the paper
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05:46<flips^>gah, what was the name of that module for using windows drivers on Linux (in non-free, maybe) ...
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05:48<jm_>I am only aware of ndiswrapper for wifi
05:49<orneryolphart>that's the only one I'm aware of, too.
05:49<flips^>Ah, thanks! :) Haven't used it for years, but it appears this is the only option for a netgear device here
05:50<Braincracking>Hi, would this iptables script be any good to use? http://paste.debian.net/90918/
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05:50<flips^>(should probably mentioned wifi/network, yes)
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05:51<orneryolphart>as of august 28, 2013, ndiswrapper still only works with WinXP drivers.
05:51<orneryolphart>that's per the wiki
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05:52<flips^>ok, so 64 bit is going to be interesting ... maybe go for x86/ia32 debian, then (replacing XP on an old PC)
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05:53<orneryolphart>flips, here's the wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper
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05:54<orneryolphart>and it states that it'll run in x86 and x86-64 architectures
05:54<orneryolphart>or, in Debian, AMD64
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05:56<flips^>orneryolphart: Thanks. :) I was just assuming that working xp 32 bit drivers probably was easier to obtain
05:58<orneryolphart>flips, it'll depend on your device. http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/drivers.php has some 64-bit drivers.
05:59<orneryolphart>I can't really help you much beyond that, as I know only enough about Windows to get my games installed. :) I've been a Linux user exclusively for 8 of the last 10 years.
05:59<orneryolphart>and haven't had need of ndiswrapper since my P3 ThinkPad.
05:59<flips^>I was certified on NT4 server and such ;-p
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06:02<flips^>I used ndiswrapper quite a few years ago, hopefully I'll figure it out ... if I just place the ndiswrapper debs and driver files on the usb stick (made from the boot.img) along with the iso, I should be able to get the PC online, I hope :)
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06:04<arash>hi
06:05<SynrG>flips^: which netgear device? ndiswrapper is an absolute last resort :(
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06:05<Gintru>orneryolphart ?
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06:05<SynrG>flips^: you've ruled out backports kernel support?
06:05<SynrG>flips^: firmware?
06:05<flips^>SynrG: NWA3100 I think it was
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06:06<SynrG>WNA3100?
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06:07<flips^>ehm, probably ;) I'm away from the PC now
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06:07<Gintru>flips^where can you be ?! (joke)
06:08<warhead>Hello to all
06:08<flips^>Gintru: Close to other computers instead ... ;)
06:08<SynrG>!wna3100
06:08<dpkg>The Netgear WNA3100 "Wireless-N 300 USB Adapter" is a 802.11n device (USB ID 0846:9020). It uses the Broadcom BCM43231 chip, which has no Linux driver available at this time; ask me about <ndiswrapper>. Not to be confused with the <WNDA3100>.
06:08<Gintru>warhead hi
06:09<SynrG>flips^: bleh
06:09<warhead>Gintru: Nice day :-)
06:09<Gintru>warhead you looking for help ? offer your knowledge ? both ?
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06:10<flips^>SynrG: So either I get ndiswrapper working, or I try to get someone to get a cable into that room
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06:10<warhead>Gintru: Atm, I'm free if can help I will join in chat :-)
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06:11<SynrG>flips^: my vote would be the latter. but then i don't know exactly how hard that is :)
06:11<Gintru>at the moment, ... nice
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06:11<Gintru>warhead / personally, I am looking for help , I plan to recompile debian libgtk package
06:11<SynrG>flips^: otherwise, have fun with the usual crap with ndiswrapper (degraded performance, network dropping out, etc.)
06:11<Gintru>can you help ?
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06:12<flips^>SynrG: It involves someone making holes in a few walls ;) But I'll try that first :D
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06:13<warhead>Gintru: Any specific problem with package libgtk?
06:13<Gintru>warhead in fact no, i am looking to implement a tiny enhancer
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06:14<Gintru>you probably know about gnome css theme not perfectly written which geenrate tons of warning log in the console
06:14<Gintru>I just want to ignore this
06:15<Gintru>there is no env var for that,
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06:15<Gintru>so I made a modification and hope to be able to recompile it as a true debian package
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06:16<warhead>Gintru: ok, and where is problem, You make modification of package - don't see problem.
06:16<Gintru>no, i just modified the source code
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06:17<Gintru>i would like to compile it in the deb
06:17<Gintru>well, I would like it to be
06:18<Gintru>warhead orneryolphart already gave me a nice paper about compilation
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06:18<Gintru>someone else gave me a trick for diff -urN
06:18<jm_>!package recompile
06:18<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
06:19<Gintru>but I am not sure if I have to specify special env variables before typing configure/make make install / ordebian build
06:19<warhead>Gintru: dpkg is Your friend on irc :-)
06:19<Gintru>it looks like, it scared me at the first :)
06:20<warhead>let dpkg-buildpackage make job for You...try to follow as example from dpkg
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06:30<Gintru>dpkg thank you, ok 1/2/3/ are done
06:30<dpkg>Gintru: pas de quoi
06:30<Gintru>dpkg / j'insiste <sourire
06:30<dpkg>Gintru: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
06:31<warhead>:-)
06:32<Gintru>i bet bredbox is a private joke
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06:32<Gintru>sorry not to laught
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06:32<daemonkeeper>Gintru: That, or you did not realize you talk to a bot.
06:33<Gintru>what a bot
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06:33<warhead>hehe :-)
06:33<babilen>dpkg: botsnack
06:33<Gintru>dpkg / I was sure you were an 'it'
06:33<dpkg>wish i knew, Gintru
06:34<Gintru>dpkg tell me about rule right now now
06:34<Gintru>debian/rules ?
06:34<daemonkeeper>Gintru: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat_bot
06:34<babilen>Gintru: dpkg is a program, not a Human. We use it to store commonly pieces of information.
06:34<Gintru>daemonkeeper i knew about , i , he , i mean, it can't be,
06:34<daemonkeeper>babilen: How makes /that/ a bot different to humans? Don't you use himans to store pieces of information, too?
06:34<Gintru>he was so realistic this time
06:34<babilen>heh
06:35<warhead>This is new generation of bot, with AI?
06:35<Gintru>babilen i know, i do use them myself
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06:36<Gintru>to clean clean my dish, to welcome my friends and so
06:36<Gintru>dpkg can you tell me about <debian/rules> ?
06:36<dpkg>Gintru: I don't know, could you explain it?
06:37<Gintru>dpkg no you told me troll
06:37<dpkg>Gintru: are you smoking crack?
06:37<Gintru>dpkg 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>;
06:37<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, Gintru
06:37<warhead>yay :-) I need record this
06:38<warhead>irc bot (dpkg )with true AI - wow
06:38<Gintru>babilen I told u what a bot
06:38<Gintru>why do he just say "ask me about <debian/rules>;" ?
06:38<babilen>Gintru: "/msg dpkg debian/rules" (remove the < and > and talk to the bot in private)
06:38<Gintru>than after it forgets all
06:39<Gintru>[:heaven:]
06:39<babilen>dpkg: tell Gintru -about dpkgbot
06:40<warhead>babilen: bot ignore You, talk only with Gintru :-)
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06:42<Gintru>:)
06:42<Gintru>thank you much babilen, warhead and daemonkeeper
06:43<Gintru>I have what to read now
06:43<warhead>Gintru: where is thanks to dpkg?
06:43<warhead>:-)
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06:43<Gintru>are you anoyed by gtk-warning from css erroneous theme profile ?
06:44<Gintru>icedove r u a bot ?
06:44<Gintru>~Icedove ?
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06:48<Gintru>babilen you don't accept msg ?
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06:48<Gintru>babilen / I have feedback for the page you send me the link
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06:49<jm_>which page?
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06:49<Gintru> https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot
06:49<Gintru>instead of "#debian's resources are there for your to search, read, learn"
06:49<Gintru>it is "#debian's resources are there for you to search, read, learn"
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06:50<Gintru>for example
06:50<jm_>look at this page to learn about modifications: This wiki is a support and documentation resource for the Debian project. It is editable by everyone and we need your contributions to make it better.
06:51<jm_>I forgot to paste the URL -- https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki
06:51<Gintru>jm_ I would but I can't find
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06:54<jm_>Gintru: can't find what?
06:54<Gintru>how to edit, i ended up in finding the Bug repor page
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06:55<jm_>the above URL has Quick Start link
06:56<jm_>or rather, section, it includes several links
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06:58<zepherok>join uk.quakenet.org
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06:59<sdvdio>Русско говорящие есть ?
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07:00<oldlaptop>!ru
07:00<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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07:01<sdvdio>I realized teachable!
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07:04<Gintru>J 'ai le droit de tapper français ?
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07:09<Human_G33k>Gintru: tu peux mais c'est mieux sur le debian-fr ;)
07:09<Gintru>Human_G33k ok thanks
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07:30<stevenm_>can anyone think of a shorter way of doing this...
07:30<stevenm_># echo 'deb http://domain.com dist main' | sed 's/\w*\(.*\)/\0\ndeb-src\1/'
07:30<stevenm_>for the fun of it :)
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07:35<jm_>maybe 'h;p;g;s/^deb/deb-src/'
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07:35<daemonkeeper>echo 'deb http://domain.com dist main' | sed -E 's/deb(.*)$/\0\ndeb-src \1/'
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07:39<stevenm_>daemonkeeper, thats a few chars longer
07:40<stevenm_>jm_, i've never seen sed used that way - but it works great :)
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07:41<stevenm_>jm_, anyway it can be made shorter by matching whatever the first word is instead of 'deb' - or perhaps appending '-src' to whatever the first word is?
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07:42<stevenm_>'h;p;g;s/ /-src /' perhaps?
07:43<stevenm_>although i was hoping to stick a newline at the end to seperate deb/deb-src groups from others in the conf file
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07:45<jm_>stevenm_: the above should work, even shorter 'P;s/ /-src /'
07:46<stevenm_>jm_, anyway that can be adapted to put a newline at the end of *all* the output?
07:47<stevenm_>i could with my original version but not with that
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07:48<stevenm_>im reading http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html trying to figure out how yours works, ingenious :)
07:48<stevenm_>ah! ;G
07:48<stevenm_>brilliant
07:49<jm_>stevenm_: yeah G at the end
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07:49<stevenm_>i've not done outside of the confines of what goes *within* the area of s/ / /
07:49<stevenm_>handy stuff
07:50<jm_>now go play sokoban.sed :)
07:50<stevenm_>sokoban?
07:50<jm_>http://sed.sourceforge.net/local/games/sokoban.sed.html
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08:43<Braincracking>please let me kno if this script would be ok to use: http://paste.debian.net/90918/
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08:53<smokejohn>hello i have been having some graphical issues. Icons missing white boxes appearing on the corner of windows. I thought this was a gpu driver problem but it has something to do with pixbuf gtk. I am using kde and I am on debian unstable
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08:54<bhuddah>!sid
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08:54<dpkg>rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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08:55<smokejohn>dpkg: I hope i can fix this though
08:55<dpkg>smokejohn: I give up, what is it?
08:55<smokejohn>any ideas?
08:55<bhuddah>dpkg is a bot.
08:55<dpkg>bhuddah: I don't know, could you explain it?
08:55<smokejohn>bhuddah: lol.....
08:55<bhuddah>smokejohn: ask in #debian-next they might be able to help you.
08:55<Braincracking>dont expect an answer here if your on sid i hope you get one though
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08:56<smokejohn>i've been using sid for a year or so
08:56<smokejohn>used testing all these years
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08:56<bhuddah>maybe it's time to give stable a try? :)
08:57<smokejohn>bhuddah: well stable is not for me
08:57<Braincracking>asking for help with sid will only give you answers like 'mybe you should rn stable instead. sd but true
08:57<smokejohn>Braincracking: damn...
08:58<smokejohn>well i should try searching the bug reports
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09:01<devil_>smokejohn: intel card?
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09:01<smokejohn>devil_: yes!!!
09:02<devil_>maybe you want to read http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=4398.0 , might be your issue
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09:03<devil_>gotta run, later
09:03<Razor>I have just installed a fresh copy of debian wheezy and I also installed harden. I happen to notice that john the ripper was installing with harden. Why ? I have know if john as a password cracker
09:03<Razor>What other purpose would it serve ?
09:03<smokejohn>devil_: thanks. checking it out
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09:04<bhuddah>Razor: checking for easy to crack passwords.
09:04<bhuddah>Razor: there is a cronjob you can enable that makes john check for that locally.
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09:04<Razor>So I am guessing g the john the ripper can be used for more than just cracking a password
09:04<bhuddah>no.
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09:06<Razor>Bhuddah I have noticed cron jobs running on there own but haven't finished reading the user manual that is for harden as of yet. How do I do it manually just so I know.
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09:07<bhuddah>Razor: i have found this quite dated article explaining it: https://www.debian-administration.org/article/59/Detecting_weak_passwords_with_john_the_ripper
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09:08<bhuddah>Razor: if you really try to crack passwords i would suggest other tools though. e.g. oclhashcat
09:08<Razor>Bhuddah thank you so much for you time and help. When I cane in here after not do wing a lot online, I was thinking that know one would really be willing to help when I was asking about john.
09:09<bhuddah>Razor: no problem. you're welcome.
09:09<Braincracking>bhudda: maybe you can give me feedback on the iptables script i posted? :)
09:09<Razor>Personally if I was to have someone ask me something like that I would have thought that they was doing something wrong .
09:10<bhuddah>Braincracking: i'll have a look
09:10<Braincracking>thanks, i sure appreciate it
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09:10<bhuddah>Razor: nah. there's all sorts of motives to try something like that.
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09:11<bhuddah>Braincracking: in your case i would suggest that you try iptables-persistent instead of a completely self made script. it comes with a working init-script.
09:13<Braincracking>ok, i will take a look on that instead. thank you :)
09:13<bhuddah>Braincracking: and maybe set the policies not to drop in the beginning and add log rules to see how your filter setup reacts.
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09:16<Braincracking>bhudda: thank you very much for your feedback. much appreciated
09:16<bhuddah>np.
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09:26<Lilly>Hi. I have a openVPN account and would like to connect my local debian machine to it but I can't get it to work. Anyone have a good guide or something I can follow?
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09:52<lecomhug>let rec equilibre abr_col = match abr_col with
09:52<lecomhug> Noeud (g, _, Noeud(p, Rouge, Noeud(x, Rouge, a1, a2), a3), Noeud(f, Noir, a4, a5)) -> (rot_droit (Noeud (g, Rouge, Noeud(p, Noir, Noeud(x, Rouge, a1, a2), a3), Noeud(f, Noir, a4, a5))))
09:52<lecomhug> | Noeud (g, _, Noeud(p, Rouge, a1, Noeud(x, Rouge, a2, a3)), Noeud(f, Noir, a4, a5)) -> equilibre(Noeud (g, Noir, (rot_gauche (Noeud(p, Rouge, a1, Noeud(x, Rouge, a2, a3)))), Noeud(f, Noir, a4, a5)))
09:52<lecomhug> | Noeud (g, _, Noeud(f, Noir, a4, a5), Noeud(p, Rouge, Noeud(x, Rouge, a1, a2), a3)) -> equilibre(Noeud (g, Noir, Noeud(f, Noir, a4, a5), rot_droit (Noeud(p, Rouge, Noeud(x, Rouge, a1, a2), a3))))
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10:30<Lilly>when I'm running openvpn, how do I make it run in background? CTRL + C quits it
10:31<daemonkeeper>--daemon
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10:41<SynrG>http://paste.debian.net/90972/
10:41<SynrG>tl;dr w8r2 kerberos password server no longer works for a debian wheezy host that formerly authenticated against w2k3 ...
10:42<SynrG>wbinfo -u fails with: "Error looking up domain users". ideas?
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10:48<ktosiek>is there something like iptables-persistent for ebtables?
10:48<Lilly>anyone good at openvpn? can't ping anything when I'm connected to openvpn..
10:48<Lilly>can't access anything
10:48<ktosiek>I know about /etc/init.d/ebtables save, but it uses some binary format
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10:50<blast007>SynrG: dunno if any of the configuration details here may help you fill in any gaps: http://itscblog.tamu.edu/joining-samba-to-a-windows-2008-r2-domain/
10:53<blast007>also saw a recommendation to pop a "log level = 10" into smb.conf, run 'id username', and examine /var/log/samba/log.winbind-dc-connect (though that was for Ubuntu - so, results may vary: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1817779 )
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11:00<JayJax>Okay whatsup with this > firewall windows computer ip in DMZ ping from host connection | Debian wheezy 7 computer ip in DMZ ping from host no connection! < even with firewall totaly open! how to fix this?
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11:10<kristianpaul>Howdy,
11:11<kristianpaul>Is me or the archive for Debian ISOs just point to a list of packages
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11:12<Stummi>kristianpaul, how do you try to download it
11:12<Stummi>?
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11:15<kristianpaul>Stummi: seems is avaliable a netinst
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11:15<kristianpaul>cause http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/5.0.4/amd64/iso-dvd/ empty about dvd ISOs
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11:17<Stummi>yeah, looks like a mistake for me
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11:19<kristianpaul>I'll try netinst but i fear it will get packages from the latest debian 5, but i wanted the packages included on 5.0.4
11:19<kristianpaul>s/on/in
11:20<planetmaker>uh... why would you get images for debian *5* in this year?
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11:20<planetmaker>for those discontinued releases, I'd not assume that it's a mistake that they are un-published
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11:21<SynrG>blast007: thaks. will look ... we got it working by ... well, i'm not sure *which* of the last 3 things were effective, because the last one was a "desperation reboot" after noticing wbinfo -p failed to contact winbindd!
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11:21<SynrG>thanks*
11:22<SynrG>(i.e. there were 4 defunct winbindd processes, and the one that was running wasn't even responding!)
11:23<SynrG>our challenge now is to see if the secure dns config change made at the AD (was unsecure & secure, is now: secure only) screws me up
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11:23<SynrG>that's one of the things the admin did *just before* the reboot "magically" fixed it
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11:32<Lilly>Hi. I'm trying to use my OpenVPN VPN account to connect to my local debian machine without success. I get correct ip etc if I check ifconfig but I cant access anything. I have two files: anonine.ca.crt and anonine.ovpn
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11:48<Lilly>anyone know where I can get sun-java6 in wheezy?
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11:49<somiaj>Lilly: Any reason openjdk isn't working for you?
11:49<Lilly>well, my software needs java6 to run..
11:49<somiaj>Lilly: oracle will not allow us to distribute the non-free java version any more. You have to get it from them.
11:50<Lilly>added deb http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free
11:50<Lilly>and got it ;>
11:50<babilen>Lilly: And Sun's Java6 has been EOLed quite some time ago. Using it would constitute a significant security risk
11:50<somiaj>Lilly: apt-get install openjdk-6-jre, that is java 6
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11:50<babilen>Lilly: OpenJDK is a Java implementation, are you sure you need Sun's version?
11:50<babilen>Lilly: And please don't mix releases, it is not good for your health ;)
11:50<somiaj>Lilly: if you really awnt sun's java don't get it from squeeze, go get it from orcale and use their support (you can just copy the java tree to /usr/local and link the binarys to /usr/local/bin to run)
11:51<somiaj>but most likely openjdk will work
11:51<babilen>Sun/Oracle stopped Java6 support quite some time ago -- http://www.java.com/en/download/faq/java_6.xml
11:52<SynrG>!java-package
11:52<dpkg>java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>.
11:52<SynrG>^^ or that
11:52<babilen>I *really* wouldn't recommend to use it.
11:52<SynrG>(i consider that better than "get it from oracle" though)
11:52<babilen>(not java-package, but non-OpenJDK java 6)
11:52<SynrG>yeah
11:53<SynrG>i agree.
11:53<somiaj>Ahh I don't follow the orcale java at all, didn't realize they stoped supporting it. Guess you want to get java 7 if you go oracles route. openjdk-6 is still supported though.
11:53<SynrG>somiaj: it's not that they stopped supporting it. they stopped supporting *java6*
11:53<babilen>It is indeed - Red Hat has somebody working on it.
11:53<SynrG>(what you said was ambiguous :)
11:54<babilen>Lilly: So, would openjdk be an option? Did you test it with OpenJDK?
11:54<babilen>dpkg: tell Lilly about install java
11:55<Lilly>babilen: well, the software has been said to work best on java6 from sun.
11:55<SynrG>Lilly: probably documentation written circa 2010 :p
11:55<SynrG>welcome to 2014
11:55<somiaj>Lilly: since sun doesn't really exist any more, that is outdated. (:
11:55<babilen>Lilly: Who says that? Did you follow our discussion and are you aware that simply by using Java6 from Sun that you are dealing with a number of security related issues?
11:56<Lilly>ie. java 7 makes the application to run very poor.
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11:57<babilen>Nobody is talking about Java7
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11:57<babilen>judd: v openjdk-6-jre
11:57<judd>Package: openjdk-6-jre on i386 -- squeeze: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; wheezy: 6b27-1.12.5-1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 6b27-1.12.6-1~deb6u1; squeeze-security: 6b27-1.12.6-1~deb6u1; wheezy-security: 6b27-1.12.6-1~deb7u1; jessie: 6b30-1.13.1-1; sid: 6b30-1.13.1-1
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11:59<SynrG>Lilly: for certain ancient software it is possible java7 (sun or otherwise) doesn't work well for it. but in that case, you ought to be on a supported java6 that has security updates, not an unsupported one which will eventually lead to you getting hacked (due to java6's really poor security track record)
12:00<SynrG>Lilly: so you should use openjdk-6-jre, not sun java6. otherwise, you're asking to get burnt.
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12:04<Lilly>this is what I get with openjdk
12:04<Lilly>http://pastebin.com/U1TNR2nq
12:05<somiaj>Lilly: do you have openjdk-6-jdk package installed?
12:05<somiaj>looks like you only have the jre package but actually need the jdk package to build
12:05<Lilly>java version "1.6.0_27"
12:05<Lilly>OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.12.6) (6b27-1.12.6-1~deb7u1)
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12:05<Lilly>hum
12:05<Lilly>sec
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12:06<somiaj>Lilly: that is not what I asked, there is an openjdk-6-jre package and an openjdk-6-jdk package.
12:06<Lilly>I have both jdk
12:06<Lilly>i have jdk*
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12:08<blast007>the 'javac' binary should be at /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/bin/javac , so perhaps you need to tweak your JAVA_HOME like it hints in the output
12:08<Lilly>reinstallning everything now, will see if that helps
12:08<somiaj>To me the error seems to suggest your JAVA_HOME is misset, it should probably be /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64"
12:08<SynrG>Lilly: no ...
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12:09<SynrG>Lilly: this is a *typical* problem
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12:10<SynrG>what you have here is a wrong assumption made by upstream about the java environment. a debian java package would find jdk without assistance. the upstream package needs the hint by explicitly setting JAVA_HOME
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12:11<SynrG>Lilly: note that /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre is not /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64 ... (so it can't find jdk components)
12:12<SynrG>Lilly: and i doubt if a reinstall will fix this
12:12<Lilly>I got it working, fixed the path :) thx
12:12<SynrG>great
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12:13<blast007>now make sure you get rid of the java you pulled from squeeze if you haven't already (along with the squeeze repo from your apt sources) :)
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12:14<SynrG>aye
12:16<Lilly>blast007: Already done it :)
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12:20<Lilly>brb
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13:54<DNS>can somebody explain to me how this is possible if i purged and sendmail package from a vserver, gettin empty response by 'dpkg -l | grep sendmail' but when callin swaks on locahost i see '220 88it ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4 ...'?
13:54<DNS>and=any
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13:54<DNS>i have exim4 installed instead
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13:56<DNS>any idea?
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13:59<valdyn>DNS: use netstat -plunt
13:59<valdyn>DNS: that way you can see what if anything is listening on a certain port
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14:02<DNS>valdyn: thx
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14:22<phil5354>I installed debian yesterday, i'm sure I had the sound mixer icon then
14:22<phil5354>But now it's not in my systray
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14:23<phil5354>XFCE desktop
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14:37<phil5354>anyone?
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14:42<phaxx>is this channel an appropriate place to ask for help with dh-exec and making a package? I didn't see a packaging-specific channel on https://wiki.debian.org/IRC
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14:44<centrx>phaxx, It's appropriate.
14:44<DNS>phaxx: i recommend #debian-mentors for that
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14:44<alonsog1997>Hi.
14:44<DNS>phil5354: xfce4-mixer ?
14:45<DNS>right click in tray and add it
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14:45<phil5354>DNS: is that default? if so never mind, I'll just add that to the tray
14:45<phil5354>DNS: Actually it can't be added to the tray. to the panel i mean
14:45<DNS>hmm
14:46<DNS>and you have installed that package?
14:46<phaxx>centrx, DNS: thanks! I just figured it out - I was using a very old dh-exec provided by ubuntu 12.04. 0.4 when I needed >=0.6. thanks, apologies for the noise.
14:46<phil5354>DNS: fresh install of debian xfce
14:46<phil5354>DNS: I'm a newbie
14:47<DNS>phil5354: type in terminal: sudo apt-get install xfce4-mixer
14:47<DNS>then you should be able to add it to tray
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14:48<phil5354>I already have mixer, it's just not addable to the notfication tray
14:48<phil5354>it has to be separate
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14:50<phil5354>DNS: don't worry I'll try and duckduckgo the solution
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14:50<DNS>phil5354: i bet you will get the same answer as from me
14:51<DNS>its a panel aplet
14:51<DNS>no tray aplet yep
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14:53<alonsog1997>Anyone here able to help me install Debian on a computer with RAID?
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14:55<alonsog1997>I'm having trouble setting up Debian Wheezy on a computer with RAID. (Intel P55 with onboard sata controller, RAID mirroring enabled in the BIOS.) I can install CentOS 6.5 without a problem, which uses GRUB Legacy 0.97. However, when I try with GRUB2 0.99, or even downgrading manually to GRUB Legacy (removing grub-pc installing grub-legacy), it tells me grub-probe cannot find the specified device. (/dev/md126p2)
14:57<weasel>I'd ignore the bios raid. it's probably crappy anyway.
14:57<weasel>then, in the installer, just set up software raid. that should work.
14:57<alonsog1997>We're installing inside the partition instead of the MBR because otherwise, we cannot do a dual boot with Windows 7 while on Remote Desktop.
14:57<weasel>good luck.
14:58<phil5354>Sometimes iceweasel doesn't use html5 player and asks for flash player, its annoying, does anyone else have this problem?
14:58<phil5354>on YouTube
14:59<alonsog1997>Should I try Debian Squeeze instead and then upgrade it to wheezy after the installation?
14:59<weasel>I wouldn't. I also wouldn't mess with any -legacy things.
15:00<weasel>does installing grub into the mbr work?
15:00<alonsog1997>Well, then how will I get Debian installed? Or should I just use CentOS instead for our lab computer, which we also tested at home and verified it worked?
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15:00<weasel>(you should be able to chainload win from there, right?)
15:01<alonsog1997>And installing to the MBR isn't an option because
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15:01<alonsog1997>we can't dual boot over Remote Desktop.
15:01<alonsog1997>By installing GRUB to the partition instead, we can dual boot by setting the active partition.
15:02<alonsog1997>Otherwise, we can't use the computer over remote desktop, but instead, drive up there every time we need to reboot the computer.
15:02<rryoumaa>is my patriot supersonic rage broken? here are the logs: http://sprunge.us/ijLa
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15:04<weasel>alonsog1997: you can always try to coerce grub2 into working with your setup.
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15:04<weasel>alonsog1997: just because grub-install falls flat on its face doesn't mean it can't work somehow. anyway, good luck.
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15:07<alonsog1997>Well, I've already tried installing it manually via the F2 terminal (grub-installer --no-floppy --force /dev/md126p2) on the installer, so I'll just have to try Debian Squeeze, or if it doesn't work, I'm stick with CentOS instead. Thanks anyways.
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15:09<rryoumaa>i found a website that suggests that i do "echo -1 >/sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend" due to similar errors. where do i get a listing of what that means?
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16:08<nick_>Why when I try to mount a hard drive with hfsplus does it mount read only?
16:09<nick_>is there an utility package like e2fsprogs for hfsplus?
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16:11<rryoumaa>can anybody give me an opinion on what component is likely failing in http://sprunge.us/ijLa ?
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16:16<dario`>rryoumaa: what kind of device is it? for microcontroler stuff it usually meant i soldered it wrong.. for other stuff it looks like a loose contact somewhere..
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16:24<rryoumaa>dario`: patriot supersonic rage on a usb hub
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16:27<dario`>rryoumaa: hrm, and it works on other devices? without the hub on the same device?
16:27<rryoumaa>dario`: for practical reasons i have not been able to test that. so the error message does no indicate what the problem is?
16:28<dario`>the dmesg looks like it cannot negotiate the low-level usb stuff, but that can have a lot of reasons
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16:32<nick_>Why when I try to mount a hard drive with hfsplus does it mount read only?
16:32<nick_>I installed the hfsplus package.
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16:44<supaman>nick_: could this be related to your problem? http://superuser.com/questions/84446/how-to-mount-a-hfs-partition-in-ubuntu-as-read-write
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16:47<Gintru>Is there anybody available for changelog update in a package ?
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16:49<supaman>Gintru: what do you need?
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16:50<Gintru>supaman nice nick I appreciate, i tried to update changelog in a debian pakage
16:50<Gintru>supaman u*i give more info
16:50<Gintru>supaman it's a quilt version package, everything run almost smoothly , I updated my patch
16:51<supaman>Gintru: I think this topic is more appropriate in the debian-mentors channel
16:51<Gintru>supaman / when I patched dev files like *.c it was ok, but trying to patche Changelog failed, I bet I have to do this in another way
16:51<Gintru>supaman ur speak is wise
16:51<nick_>yes that helps as I did not know it had to be no journal in order to read and write but why can't it just not use the journal?
16:52<Gintru>supaman I try the mentor chan, nad I thank you a lot
16:52<supaman>Gintru: your welcome, good luck
16:52<Gintru>have a good day / night / time
16:53<Gintru>supamana no luck for now, just time, it's all
16:53<Gintru>Bye
16:53<Gintru>SaluT / OuT O o .
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17:03<suaporraquente>what does this error in my terminal mean
17:03<suaporraquente>when I try to update?
17:03<suaporraquente>http://imgur.com/feq03xk
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17:05<averytho_>I want to make a directory stop changing the perms when I put a new file in it
17:05<averytho_>Is that possible?
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17:05<averytho_>I'm able to edit files at first then a few mins later the server changes the perms to un-editable in the directory
17:06<Maulkin>averytho_: What version of Debian are you running?
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17:06<averytho_>7
17:06<Maulkin>averytho_: And do you have more context? Is this a webhost or something you're renting, or a install of Debian you did youself?
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17:06<averytho_>I own the entire box
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17:07<Maulkin>averytho_: Where did the install come from?
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17:07<Maulkin>averytho_: It's not something that sounds like it happens by default in Debian systems
17:08<Maulkin>It's odd that there's a delay
17:08<averytho_>It's not so much about the delay
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17:08<averytho_>it's just the server is changing the perms
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17:09<averytho_>When I upload something it auto changes the perms
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17:09<averytho_>the directory is set to 777
17:10<averytho_>but when I upload something it changes to 644
17:10<Maulkin>averytho_: Ah, I see. Well, for a start, you probably shouldn't be using 777 :)
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17:11<Maulkin>averytho_: Can I see an output of "ls -l" on the directory, and a sample file you've uploaded? Please paste it to paste.debian.net
17:11<Arrowmaster>the umask controls the permissions of newly created files, not the parent directory permisisons
17:12<Maulkin>averytho_: Also, how are you uploading them?
17:12<supaman>could be a setgid thing?
17:12<averytho_>Maulkin: via FTP
17:12<Arrowmaster>what client and server
17:12<Maulkin>Could be, or facl...
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17:12<Arrowmaster>no its just the umask
17:13<Maulkin>Though I'd susspect it's umask
17:13<Maulkin>ack
17:13<Arrowmaster>should be able to change it from the ftp client
17:13<Maulkin>averytho_: I would strongly suggest against using mode 777 though
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17:14<Arrowmaster>nothing should ever be 777
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17:14<Maulkin>Well, possibly some things, but ack in general.
17:15<averytho_>http://paste.debian.net/91066/
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17:15<Arrowmaster>i cant think of anything that should be 777 instead of properly using other methods
17:15<Maulkin>Arrowmaster: /tmp?
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17:16<Maulkin> /run/lock too
17:16<Maulkin>But I digress
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17:16<averytho_>Found out the problem was my FTP client changing the perms
17:16<averytho_>...
17:16<averytho_>lolz
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17:17<Arrowmaster>no /tmp shouldnt be 777, it should be 1777 (i think, im not good with the octals for the special flags)
17:17<Maulkin>Arrowmaster: Bah :)
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17:17<averytho_>What is a good perms # to use?
17:17<averytho_>666?
17:17<Maulkin>averytho_: Well, that's good to hear! But if you like, we can help you fix it so they don't need to be 777, whcih is a very bad idea.
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17:17<Arrowmaster>644
17:18<averytho_>ok
17:18<Maulkin>Arrowmaster: 644 is good, or 640. Using 777 means that not only can anyone (including the web user!) who can access the system can view those files, but also delete them and possibly replace them with malicious content.
17:18<Arrowmaster>do these files need to be written to by another user?
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17:44<OldOneEye>hi
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17:46<OldOneEye>may i get help?
17:46<centrx>!ask
17:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:46<OldOneEye>i dunno wat cpu architechure to get for my intel i3 64bit
17:47<OldOneEye>amd_64?
17:47<centrx>amd64
17:47<OldOneEye>ok
17:47<OldOneEye>cheers
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17:48<OldOneEye>how can i encryt my hdd
17:48<OldOneEye>not just home directory but everything on it
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17:50<centrx>OldOneEye, https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+disk+encryption
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17:50<centrx>OldOneEye, Top 3 results are good.
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17:56<OldOneEye>the programs in the gnome install thing, are the same ones avalible in other flavors of linux?
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17:57<centrx>OldOneEye, What programs are you referring to?
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17:58<OldOneEye>nm
17:58<OldOneEye>well
17:59<OldOneEye>im looking for a security solution for my laptop involving encrytion
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18:18<Sampei>Ciao a tutti
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18:22<RuPeRterer>i uninstall pulseaudio and i am tryin to reinstall that package but debain 7. 0.4 Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
18:23<RuPeRterer>how can i fix that
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18:25<zizou>exit
18:26<zizou>auit
18:26<zizou>quit
18:26<planetmaker>ctrl+q
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18:27<RuPeRterer>what
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18:27<abrotman>RuPeRterer: use paste.debian.net to show us
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18:28<RuPeRterer>http://paste.debian.net/91083/
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18:31<RuPeRterer>http://paste.debian.net/91085/
18:31<RuPeRterer>that will give more info
18:33<themill>interesting mixture of squeeze and wheezy you've got there
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18:36<RuPeRterer>didnt install squeeze
18:36<RuPeRterer>so not sure why
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18:36<RuPeRterer>i did aptitude instead of apt-get and it workd
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18:36<RuPeRterer>it downgraded some stuff
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18:47<RuPeRterer>that unintall gnome
18:47<RuPeRterer>lord help me shit
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18:54<somiaj>RuPeRterer: wonder if that 'intersting' mixture is what was causing us problems yesterday.
18:54<RuPeRterer>i am reintalling
18:54<RuPeRterer>firmware-7.4.0-amd64-netinst
18:54<RuPeRterer>going to try that install
18:55<RuPeRterer>thought since i had to disable lan card to install may cause problem later
18:55<RuPeRterer>after i install
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19:01<RuPeRterer>somialj could that be a problem after install
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19:13<somiaj>RuPeRterer: it shouldn't
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19:14<RuPeRterer>aight dont know how i got sqeeze with last install mix in
19:14<RuPeRterer>that part i dont get
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19:28<bekkay>hey guys i'm new to linux
19:29<bekkay>I download and installed MX-14 along side with windows XP
19:29<bekkay>now i want to download firefox in my linux i don't how?
19:29<bekkay>i don't know how ?
19:29<bekkay>any help please?
19:30<bekkay>i went to synaptic package and i search for it . it isn't there
19:31<asse>bekkay: try "sudo apt-get update" in the terminal, then check synaptic
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19:35<bekkay>thanks sir i will try now
19:36<bekkay>ok the last line it says :
19:37<bekkay>Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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19:37<bekkay>how to unlock that fille anyway ?
19:37<asse>are you running dpkg (installing any other packages, either through synaptic or apt-get/aptitute)? you're only able to run one process of dpkg at a time
19:39<bekkay>ok hold on let me close all these things and try again
19:39<asse>bekkay: dont close it while it's runnign
19:39<bekkay>ok
19:40<asse>wait for apt-get/aptitude/synaptic to finish before installing another package
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19:40<bekkay>ok sir i'm sorry i'm new to this linux,i came for windows
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19:42<bekkay>here is what does it say in the last line :
19:42<bekkay>Ign http://main.mepis-deb.org mepis12cr/non-free Translation-en
19:42<bekkay>Reading package lists... Done
19:43<asse>okay, so now you're back at the terminal prompt?
19:43<bekkay>yes
19:45<asse>alright, to install firefox you can run "sudo apt-get install firefox"
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19:45<devil_>it's iceweasel
19:46<asse>devil_: does debian not support firefox?
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19:46<bekkay>last line : E: Package 'firefox' has no installation candidate
19:46<themill>'iceweasel'
19:46<devil_>icewasel is firefox
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19:46<asse>bekkay: yeah, run "sudo apt-get install iceweasel". i believe its the same as firefox
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19:47<bekkay>ok sir
19:48<bekkay>it seems it is installing iceweasel
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19:48<bekkay>does chrome has another name like firefox ?
19:49<abrotman>chromium
19:50<bekkay>ok thanks sir.
19:50<themill>none of us have received our knighthoods yet, btw.
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19:51<bekkay>thanks guys for your help iceweasel ( firefox) it seems working fine .
19:52<asse>sure
19:52<bekkay>i'm doing the something with chromium and everything seems working
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19:54<bekkay>i have a lots of questions i don't want to keep you guys busy on what you are doing
19:54<asse>bekkay: ask the next most important one and i'll see if i can answer
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19:54<bekkay>thanks so much for your help and keep up the good work ...hell with Microsoft .
19:55<bekkay>ok sir thanks in advance .
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19:56<bekkay>Mx-14 it doesn't support Kwin, is there anyway to make it works with Mx-14
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19:57<asse>im not familiar with Mx-14, what is it?
19:58<bekkay>MX-14 “Symbiosis” Linux OS
19:58<abrotman>...
19:59<abrotman>bekkay: So you're not even using Debian?
19:59<bekkay>no I'm not using debian
19:59<supaman>bekkay: even though it is based on debian we do not support it here in this channel, sorry
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20:00<abrotman>bekkay: This channel is for Debian support, please use the Mepis channel for support
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20:00<abrotman>bekkay: #mepis on irc.freenode.net
20:00<bekkay>ok sir thanks
20:01<bekkay>I'm new sir sorry if i come to the wrong channel,but you guys you helped me a lot thanks .
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20:08<bekkay>well it says that MX-14 is based on Debian 7
20:09<bekkay>i couldn't find #mepis or anyone close to that .
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20:12<supaman>!based on
20:12<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
20:13<bekkay>Sorry sir,i do respect that . thank you so much for your help .
20:14<supaman>bekkay: ok, good luck finding assistance.
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20:14<bekkay>thank you sir supaman. I really appreciate your help .
20:15<bekkay>bye bye have a great day / night .
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21:03<valigha>qq
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21:09<valigha>Trouble finding, is there a refrence why the command line mail will not delete the messages ?
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21:33<seawhores_>is there any hope for debian forking systemd, or is it stuck in the monopoly too deep?
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21:34<seawhores_>and/or trying out openrc as previously planned
21:36<ncl>seawhores_: Last I checked the plan was supporting both sysvinit and systemd throughout jessie
21:36<seawhores_>the default will be systemd though, won't it?
21:37<somiaj>Yes, and sone things might not have good initscripts provided for other soultions.
21:37<ncl>I think so, although if you are already using sysvinit it shouldn't replace it
21:37<seawhores_>what worries me is that debian is such a big player in foss that it's adoption will eventually push other distros into the same situation (e.g. ubuntu, which already has happened as it's forced to use systemd as well). i just get worried about systemd's rediculous monopolistic behavior
21:37<somiaj>I think other init systems will be available in debian but they won't be supported as you may have to write/modify your own initscripts
21:38<seawhores_>i'm glad that debian will at least support sysvinit...
21:38<themill>Not using available libraries is normally considered to be poor engineering.
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21:41*abrotman tries to figure out why one would want to fork systemd ..
21:41*abrotman also wonders about this openrc plan
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21:42<abrotman>seawhores_: Do you care about Xorg's monopoly or udev's?
21:43<seawhores_>abrotman, i do care about Xorg's, but we have no other alternative. when wayland comes out i hope it will be better. as for udev, i think the best thing to do is fork it or rewrite it, not rewrite it and integrate it with systemd
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21:43<abrotman>Berlin, Fresco, Xfree86 .. there are options (not tomentoin wayland and mir)
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21:43<abrotman>seawhores_: so you just want to fork things .. because they work ?
21:44<seawhores_>no, i think forking is better to keep with the unix philosophy. if udev is a dead end (as many people have said), it's better to improve or fork it instead of requiring systemd
21:44<seawhores_>if udev is not a dead end and not harmful in the long run, then keep it
21:44<abrotman>contradictory ..
21:45<seawhores_>how so?
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21:46<themill>there's no such thing as the unix philosophy, so please spare us that
21:46<themill>(and please spare us this argument in general)
21:46<seawhores_>themill, by unix philosophy i mean things like this kiss principal
21:46<themill>seawhores_: there's nothing simple about thousands of buggy shell scripts
21:46<seawhores_>systemd's biggest problem is that it tries to replace so much of the operating system, not just the boot process. i wouldn't mind if systemd was more modular and you could trivially use any parts of it without requiring the rest...
21:47<seawhores_>themill, i don't have thousands of buggy shell scripts on my computer
21:47<Infiltrator>seawhores_: You should probably take this to #d-ot.
21:47<seawhores_>#dot?
21:48<seawhores_>oh
21:48<Infiltrator>#debian-offtopic
21:48<seawhores_>there
21:48<seawhores_>yea
21:48<abrotman>"KISS" .. let's fork because it works too well .. seems simple
21:49<seawhores_>abrotman, if it works well, then no need to fork it unless it's going in a bad direction (e.g. monopoly).
21:50<abrotman>logic fail ..
21:50<seawhores_>how so?
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21:50<abrotman>I see now that themill moved you to #debian-offtopic .. good luck
21:51<seawhores_>if you criticise me and refuse to explain what i did, then i can't help but to not believe you
21:51<themill>you miss that everyone is bored by this and you're not offering anything new
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21:52<seawhores_>i'm not trying to offer anything. i'm trying to learn, but all i get when i criticize something is irrelevant ideas ("let's fork it because it works too well")
21:52<seawhores_>if someone can put my fears about systemd to rest, then that's all i want
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21:53<themill>that's pretty much all you've managed to suggest so far.
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21:53<seawhores_>i never said "let's fork it because it works too well". that's a strawman and i never said that
21:54<seawhores_>something should be forked if it does *not* work. not forked and then put in an apple-style all or nothing package
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21:55<abrotman>we moved ..
21:56<seawhores_>?
21:56<seawhores_>oh
21:56<abrotman>we asked you to continue in another channel
21:56<abrotman>I'm twb will mock you plenty
21:57<seawhores_>you don't need to be rude
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21:57<seawhores_>i come in here asking about systemd and to put my fears to rest, i say my concerns and all i get are straw men and insults
21:57<seawhores_>anyways, i'm in ot now
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22:20<acald3ron>hi, i just install pulseaudio and speakers wont mute went i used my headphones.
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22:28<k-man>do i need to do some configuring after installing postfixadmin, to make it actually work?
22:28<omixam>When I try power off computer restart...
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22:29<abrotman>k-man: probably depends on what you're trying to do
22:30<k-man>abrotman, well, postfixadmin itself works, i can log in and create virtual mail domains and the like, but i think postfix is not hooked up to use the database from what I can tell
22:30<k-man>so i'm guessing i have to do that part myself?
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22:41<RuPeRterer>i just did fresh install of debian and i install the grub boot some reason didnt boot into gui on boot
22:42<abrotman>Did you install a GUI during the install process?
22:44<omixam>Iam running Debian 7.4 but when I try to shutt down the computer restart, can anybody help me?
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22:45<Infiltrator>omixam: How are you shutting down? What does `shutdown -h now` do?
22:46<RuPeRterer>abortman yes i thought i installed it
22:46<RuPeRterer>swore it hit yet
22:46<RuPeRterer>could be mistaken
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22:46<abrotman>RuPeRterer: perhaps it's just not starting, have you checked logs?
22:47<RuPeRterer>not really sure how to check logs
22:47<RuPeRterer>tbh
22:47<abrotman>they're in /var/log/
22:47<omixam>I go to gnome user menu and click on power off....
22:48<RuPeRterer>i dont see gnaome in that
22:49<RuPeRterer>apt aptitude auth.log and other stuff
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22:53<valigha>RuPeRterer: do aptitude search gnome, see if there is a i infront of gnome-session
22:53<valigha>you will have to scroll up
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22:54<RuPeRterer>nothing happend
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22:55<valigha>did aptitude even search or get an error
22:55<RuPeRterer>didnt search
22:56<RuPeRterer>i did a firmware-7.4.0-amd64-netinst install since i have to disable lan for it to install does it need lan to install the packagees for gnome or is it in that small rls already
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22:57<valigha>Well you need to be connected to a network with internet connection so the net install can download the packages to install it.
22:57<valigha>So if you where no online while installing it would not have intslled
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22:58<RuPeRterer>what rls can i use that has it all on download
22:58<RuPeRterer>well the iso
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22:59<RuPeRterer>cause i cant enable lan during install it will hang on network detection
22:59<Infiltrator>The first disc (CD or DVD) would have most of what you need.
22:59<valigha>^ bing
22:59<Infiltrator>Then you can grab the rest once you're up and running.
23:00<RuPeRterer>got a link
23:01<RuPeRterer>debian-7.4.0-amd64-CD-1.jigdo
23:01<valigha>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-amd64-CD-1.iso
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23:01<RuPeRterer>thank you
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23:02<RuPeRterer>so that will have the gnome in that pack
23:02<RuPeRterer>without need of net
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23:04<valigha>it should, but you could always install gnome3 with the apt or aptitude, and then gdm now withought the reintsall. Or another WM, i use openbox, simple and light weight.
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23:05<RuPeRterer>dont have lan
23:05<RuPeRterer>not sure how to config tha ifconfig file manually
23:06<valigha>The CD should work fine for you then. Just give it a go, part of the fun of linux is trial and error. :)
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23:06<RuPeRterer>i been fighting debian for 3 days now
23:06<RuPeRterer>almost makes me want to shot the damn pc
23:07<valigha>lol,
23:07<valigha>if you want real fun install gentoo
23:07<RuPeRterer>speak english lol i dontk now wth gentoo is
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23:08<valigha>>_<
23:09<RuPeRterer>well i hope ur should is right in this case or i might just pull the clip out and start a shotting lmao
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23:13<valigha>Good Luck.
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23:47<RuPeRterer>finish install ssh not working right for some teason
23:50<valigha>Can you give more information.. Like you cant ssh to the box, from it so on
23:52<RuPeRterer>cant ssh to it
23:52<RuPeRterer>i dont see root terminal window in desktop like that other one had mm
23:53<somiaj>you can use any terminal for a root terminal
23:53<somiaj>it coudl be just a different desktop or menu
23:53<RuPeRterer>how do i swtich to root terminal then
23:53<somiaj>run either 'su -' and enter in roots password, or 'sudo su -' and enter in user password if you have sudo setup
23:54<RuPeRterer>box wont let me ssh in for some reason
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23:55<valigha>what happens, hangs, rejects connection,
23:56<RuPeRterer>onesec
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23:57<RuPeRterer>had to resintall
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23:57<wu>df
23:57<wu>jjf
23:58<RuPeRterer>i cant get sound to play via hdmi
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23:58<RuPeRterer>http://paste.debian.net/91120/
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