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---Logopened Sun Apr 06 00:00:06 2014
00:00<RobertoB>but the keyboard layout works properly once the DE is started and in the tty
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00:05<somiaj>RobertoB: what DE do you use?
00:05<RobertoB>LXDE (lxde-core)
00:05<RobertoB>I started with a minimal install, then installed xorg and lxde-core
00:05<RobertoB>Stable branch
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00:10<somiaj>RobertoB: well if it works once the DE loads it seems to me that the DE has some tool that changes the keyboard layout in X once it loads
00:10<RobertoB>it works in tty virtual consoles too
00:11<somiaj>RobertoB: you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log as it my say what keyboard is beign loaded at the start which slim uses. You can also write a small few line xorg.conf file to force xorg to use a paticular layout
00:11<somiaj>it just dont's work in slim right as it is loaded right?
00:11<RobertoB>it's only with SLiM that it acts that way
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00:13<RobertoB>well, I've tried copying 10-edev.conf from /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
00:13<somiaj>care to paste the contents of that file to paste.debian.net
00:14<RobertoB>ad adding Option "XkbLayout" "it" (I'm using italian layout) and Option "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt, eurosign:e", but unsuccessfully
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00:19<RobertoB>in xorg.0.log sats that "xkb_rules" is "evdev", model is pc105 and layout is it_UT.UTF-8, so it should be ok, doesn't it?
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00:24<somiaj>RobertoB: I have little experince with such languages and keyboards. I would try to look at the lxde config and see if you can figure out what it does.
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00:26<RobertoB>somiaj: why lxde if the problem is in SLiM
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00:28<RobertoB>?
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00:34<somiaj>RobertoB: I am saying lxde is doing someting to configure it right, I would look at what it is doing/setting. That should help inform you what to put in that small xorg.conf file
00:35<RobertoB>the fact is that also the shell before starting or installing any DE the AltGr key works
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00:35<RobertoB>*in the shell
00:36<RobertoB>so I would suppose that is not the DE that fixes the stuff, right?
00:36<somiaj>if I recall correctly the xorg and the shell use different keyboard layout tools.
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00:37<somiaj>So it seems when you log into lxde it sets/changes teh xorg keylayout to work correctly. Hence why I suggest you look to see what is doing.
00:38<themill>keyboard-configuration is a shared config for console and xorg but user sessions can then impose their own kb config once logged in
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00:41<somiaj>RobertoB: this migth help, when it is working look out the output of 'setxkbmap -print -verbose 10' in a terminal in your xsession. That will give you the layout options that it is using. Maybe it will help you figure out what options you need to set.
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00:43<RobertoB>gonna try
00:44<RobertoB>for the records in lightDM AltGR works too
00:44<RobertoB>sob :(
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00:48<RobertoB>well, I think I'll try to put those values in xorg.conf,d converting them in the proper syntax, but I'll do that after a good sleep, it's 6.45 AM here, and I've been awake all night trying to make it work
00:48<RobertoB>time to rest
00:48<RobertoB>somiaj: thanks for the help, I'll let you know how will it end :D
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00:55<afsal>init 2.88 is takes some time to load how decrease this?
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01:00<afsal>init loads a large list of programs how to remove unwanted items?
01:02<somiaj>afsal: if you are usuing sysvinit, look at /etc/rc2.d or /etc/rc?.d direcotries, those are a links to services that are run at start
01:02<somiaj>afsal: if you know for soure you dont' need one, you can disable it with 'update-rc.d servicename disable'
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04:23<cicci>buon giorno
04:23<cicci>!list
04:23<dpkg>cicci: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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05:29<Guest5604>hallo ist da einer
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05:32<Guest5604>ich bin im rllstukl rollstuhl gelämt bitte heft mir bitte
05:33<babilen>Guest5604: Dies ist ein technischer Support Kanal für Debian. Bitte benutze #ubuntu auf irc.freenode.net für Ubuntu support.
05:33<babilen>dpkg: ubuntuirc Guest5604
05:33<dpkg>Guest5604: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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09:08<ManuelCalavera>Hey everyone. I am having a problem with my Bluetooth device. If I put my laptop to sleep and them login again, in the system settings my bluetooth panel won't let me turn on bluetooth. However, according to /etc/init.d bluetooth is on. Any help?
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09:26<ManuelCalavera>Ok nevermin, made a /etc/ stop and then start and now everything's ok.
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11:06<hjem>hi, i am trying to install debian testing on my laptop, but have a weird problem: after booting the netinstall-iso from a usb stick, i get to the menu and can select the installations method. but in the next step i only see colors flickering on my screen.
11:07<hjem>i use a sony vaio vgn-tt21wn
11:07<hjem>any ideas what might be the issue?
11:08<hjem>i also tried to install wheezy, resulting in the same problem.
11:08<mtn>hjem: are you trying the graphical install?
11:08<hjem>i tried both
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11:08<hjem>+ the expert option
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11:10<mtn>hjem: booting with nomodeset might help
11:10<GTR>have you tried pressing Fn + brightness up/down buttons which are at the arrows [usually]
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11:11<hjem>GTR: thanks, but the brightness key do not seem to have an effect
11:11<hjem>mtn: i will try that
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11:12<GTR>hjem: I had similar problem in the past and that solved it
11:12<GTR>hjem: sorry for that I couldn`t help
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11:16<hjem>mtn: nomodeset sadly does not have an effect
11:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 706] by debhelper
11:17<hjem>i tried it as a kernel option for both, graphical and normal installer
11:17<mtn>hjem: sorry it didn't help
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11:17<mtn>hjem: any chance your computer has two video cards/chips?
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11:18<hjem>no, it has an intel chip (4500MHD)
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11:52<nelli>connect_irc_irc.freenode.net
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11:54<bix_nood>Hello
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11:54<bix_nood>Anyone online?
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11:55<bix_nood>Heeeeey.
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11:55<bix_nood>What are the chances for dist-upgrade to fuck up my system?
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11:56<nelli>connect irc irc.freenode.net
11:56<nkukard_>bix_nood, depends what you upgrading to
11:56<bix_nood>Stable to testing.
11:56<nkukard_>moderate
11:56<bix_nood>fuggg.
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11:57<bix_nood>wouldn't be that much of an issue but i'm torrenting some stuff and i still have 1h on the clock
11:57<bix_nood>But i'm kinda unpatient person.
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12:01<apoc>can someone direct me to an irc channel, where I may get help with my lightdm display-setup-script problem? using debian jessie, xfce4.10 with lightdm
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12:07<mtn>apoc: you can try #debian-next
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12:11<apoc>mtn: tied it there, no response
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12:12<mtn>apoc: did you actually state your problem? here you didn't, so no one knows if they can help or not
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12:12<apoc>mnt: yes.. i stated my problem.. I didn't here, because its off topic
12:13<apoc>I'm running Jessie with xfce4.10 and lightdm.. i have a tiny script that uses xrandr to set my correct monitor settings, but its not executed - its in the lightdm.conf (display-setup-script)..
12:13<mtn>apoc: ok, probably just have to be patient
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12:13<apoc>mtn: ok, thanks for the help anyways! have a good one
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12:28<miregal>hi all is this the right channel for kernel module related problems?
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12:31<abrotman>miregal: for which distro?
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12:32<miregal>abrotman: wheezy
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12:34<abrotman>miregal: you can try here
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12:37<miregal>ok so i know this is kind of a legacy bug but i get a kernel panic with the megaraid_mbox module when booting with an lsi megaraid 320-2 scsi card
12:38<miregal>is there any solution for this?
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12:44<hjem_>mtn,GTR: i am confused and happy: the only possibility to install debian on my laptop was to install wheezy from a LIVE cd; i will then manually upgrade to testing. thanks for your help
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12:45<GTR>live cd could also be installed on sd card
12:45<GTR>quite convenient if you don`t have cd :D
12:45<mtn>hjem_: good, but that is always the way you should get to testing
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12:46<hjem>:D
12:46<hjem>mtn: why shouldn't i use the testing images?
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12:48<hjem>any speculations on what could be the reason for this weird behaviour?
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12:50<mtn>hjem: because they are for testing the installer, not installing testing.
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12:52<hjem>mtn: worked for me in the past servel times
12:52<hjem>but good to know
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12:53<hjem>GTR: i overlooked what you said, i actually used an usb stick, as my cd drvie is actually broken and just consumes space :)
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12:54<GTR>hjem: mine is not broken but I put it away as I didn`t needed it
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12:57<hjem>GTR: i would need something to put into the drive's slot as a replacement
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12:58<GTR>hjem: well I noticed mine is like the cable for a disk but the power is different
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13:00<GTR>hjem: just tried it data is the same but the power is a lot shorter -maybe it will be too much trouble putting external power source and a disk outside a laptop? or computer
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13:01<hjem>GTR: weird, i thought they would be the same. external power source outside my laptop does not sound so tempting
13:01<hjem>i will need to check my drive
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13:02<GTR>hjem: check it - no other way to know
13:02<hjem>GTR: yeah. thanks for the hint
13:02<hjem>need to wait until the installer finishes
13:03<GTR>hjem: what are you installing
13:03<hjem>debian finally :)
13:04<GTR>I am with ubuntu 12.04 64b waiting for the 14.04 upgrade this month
13:04<hjem>i switched from ubuntu to debian on my desktop a while ago, but was to lazy to do the same for my laptop until today
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13:04<GTR>is it better and in what way
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13:05<hjem>i just did not feel to comfortable with ubuntu (canonical) anymore
13:05<ompaul>GTR: you are in #debian
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13:06<GTR>I know
13:06<hjem>eventhough i do not use a desktop environment, i did not like the switch to unity and also do not use most of the ui stuff it offers, so a basic debian install was anyway better suited for me.
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13:08<hjem>also the connection between the dash and amazon is not something i want my os to do
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13:09<hjem>additionally i could ditch a lot of my git repositories, as debian already had them in their repository
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13:10<GTR>nice I`ll try it someday when I have the space for it
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14:48<ta_>hi
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14:49<petn-randall>Welcome to #debian, ta_. Do you have a support question?
14:50<hugg>lulz
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14:50<ta_>install scan
14:50<ta_>print
14:50<hugg>return false;
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14:52<petn-randall>Please don't spam the channel with non-sense. If you don't have a question, please take it elsewhere, hugg, ta_.
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14:54<yamilet>holaaa
14:54<yamilet>hay alguien por ahi
14:54<yamilet>necesito ayuda
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14:55<petn-randall>!es
14:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:56<yamilet>ok
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15:03<db3>I have an audio cd that will play music fine in a cd player, but when I put it into the computer cd drive, sound juicer says that it cannot read the track listing on this cd. Reason: Cannot access CD: The specified location is not mounted
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15:04<db3>Has anyone had this problem, is there a fix?
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15:05<db3>Again the stereo plays the cd fine. I wonder why it will not play in the cd rom on the computer
15:06<SamB>not mounted?
15:06<SamB>strange
15:06<nocturnal>maybe it's one of those enhanced CDs with data content
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15:07<db3>by data content, do you mean Sony's rootkit or similar?
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15:07<SamB>that particular case is not what you call "enhanced"
15:07<nocturnal>sometimes artists would put media content like pictures, tour dates, whatever.
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15:07<SamB>or, say, a music video
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15:07<nocturnal>it was essentially a data CD but somehow it played in stereos
15:08<SamB>basically a hybrid disk
15:08<SamB>*disc
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15:08<nocturnal>I have an album like that from the late 90s here and it says Enhanced CD on the back cover, like a logo.
15:08<db3>Thanks for the information. Yeah this is a weird one
15:08<SamB>I can think of three games for different systems that do that, too ...
15:09<SamB>How Things Work in Busytown for DOS
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15:09<db3>I dont see enhanced anywhere on the album cover
15:10<SamB>(and it's worth listening to IMO!)
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15:10<SamB>Dark Wizard for Sega CD
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15:10<nocturnal>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_CD
15:11<SamB>db3: does cdrdao have any idea what's going on with the disc?
15:11<SamB>hmm, I guess Mega Man X 5 might not be an example actually
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15:12<db3>samB: cderdao?
15:12<db3>oops, cdrdao?
15:13<SamB>hmm, looks like Sonic CD does the same though :-)
15:13<lamb>Morningnoons. I'm trying to backport xfce packages from experimental to wheezy but aptitude dep-build xfce4-panel tells me the following unsatisfiability error: "Build-Depends: libgarcon-1-0-dev ( 0.3.0)"
15:13<nocturnal>db3: did you try mounting it? I think you should see some data on an enhanced cd.
15:13<db3>How can I mount it?
15:13<nocturnal>mount /dev/cdrom /mnt
15:14<lamb>Have I borked my packaging somehow? I can't find a libgarcon-dev with that version number in either wheezy, testing or experimental
15:14<db3>I will try that
15:14<nocturnal>probably, I haven't used a cd-rom in ages.
15:14<SamB>db3: cdrdao is a program for reading and writing CDs in disk-at-once mode
15:14<SamB>or, well, reading and writing whole discs
15:14<SamB>it can also be used to find out what sort of tracks are on a disc
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15:16<db3>....is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported
15:16<db3>I got in trouble with my own computer
15:16<db3>The authorities will be here soon
15:16*SamB wonders why eject(1) doesn't work anymore :-(
15:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 721] by debhelper
15:17<nocturnal>eject - best way to find lost servers
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15:17<db3>I cannot get the mount command to work at the konsole. Will try cdrdao
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15:18<db3>synaptic says I already have it installed
15:19<SamB>what is /dec/cdrom supposed to point at nowadays?
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15:19<SamB>er, */dev
15:19<nocturnal>sr0?
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15:19<SamB>darn, I already have it pointing there :-(
15:20<db3>still trying to run cdrdao. Does it have a GUI?
15:20<db3>Does it run in the background? I have no idea what I am doing
15:20*SamB is trying to get it to do something here ...
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15:23<db3>I have to get back to work, thx for trying people. I can't make a backup of the disk I paid for and own. Chalk up another win for the DRM aholes
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15:23<SamB>evidently this drive is kind of mopey
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15:23<Lensen_>da
15:23<db3>This is a second computer
15:24<nocturnal>you can always dd it
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15:24<db3>both drives do the same thing
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15:24<db3>dd?
15:24<SamB>nocturnal: that doesn't work on audo CDs
15:24<nocturnal>disk destroyer but don't let the name throw you
15:24<nocturnal>oh
15:24<nocturnal>but they said backup
15:24<nocturnal>dd would make a backup of it
15:24<nocturnal>block by block
15:24<SamB>db3: what program are you trying to use?
15:24<db3>sound juicer
15:24<babilen>nocturnal: as would cp, cat and everything else
15:24<SamB>nocturnal: unfortunately audio tracks don't have proper blocks
15:24<nocturnal>oic
15:25<db3>It should be able to play the cd as music though, then record that
15:25<babilen>I mean: There is nothing special about dd - Unlike apt it does not have super-cow powers (if compared to cp, cat, ...)
15:25<SamB>I mean, I guess they have the blocks, but they don't have any location information to say which is which, etc, so dd really can't do that
15:25<nocturnal>anyways, I would try to mount it.
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15:25<nocturnal>see what's on there
15:26<db3>Dont really know how to mount it
15:26<nocturnal>what happened when you did mount /dev/cdrom /mnt?
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15:26<db3>it said it reported me to the authorities or something
15:26<nocturnal>so you need to have root to do that. I hope you are the admin of your system
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15:27<db3>Not sure if I am. It is my computer, i inistalled debian on it
15:27<nocturnal>sudo mount /dev/cdrom /mnt and enter your user password.
15:27<db3>will try that
15:27<db3>I do this at console right?
15:27<db3>i mean konsole
15:28<nocturnal>yes
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15:28<db3>it says I am not in the sudoers file and the incident will be reported
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15:28<db3>exit
15:29<SamB>db3: hmm, it sounds like you didn't add yourself to sudo yet; do you know a root password?
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15:29<db3>I should yes
15:29<SamB>!sudoers
15:29<dpkg>From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information.
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15:30<SamB>db3: well, run that adduser command as root and then log in again
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15:31<esaym153>how to reload stuff in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ without restarting X?
15:31<SamB>esaym153: what stuff?
15:31<esaym153>specifically a mouse confi
15:31<esaym153>config
15:31<SamB>hmm
15:31<esaym153>mouse config for synaptics
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15:32<nocturnal>I just sudo pkill X
15:32<nocturnal>that restarts X
15:32<db3>I get the same message. Have to run, thanks for trying
15:32<esaym153>I guess I could do that. and kill all my apps...
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15:32<nocturnal>I don't know any way to reload X
15:33<SamB>esaym153: gpointing-device-settings might be useful?
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15:33<SamB>oh cool, someone is still using Enhances
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15:37<nocturnal>does anyone here get good performance from a radeon card and which driver do you use, binary or open?
15:37<nocturnal>also which debian release
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15:42<devil>nocturnal: you ask way to generic
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15:43<SamB>nocturnal: which card?
15:46*SamB has no actual knowledge on the subject, only that there are a LOT of different radeons by now
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16:21<lamb>Can I have a quick reminder / recommend on how to build a deb package from a source tree where I have configure / make / make install?
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16:22<abrotman>!nmg
16:22<dpkg>The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/
16:22<abrotman>or did you mean using checkinstall?
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16:23<lamb>Checkinstall seemed to be more like what I want
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16:26<babilen>dpkg: tell lamb -about stow usage
16:26<babilen>lamb: An alternative that I consider to be more appropriate
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16:26<lamb>Oh, checking it, thanks for the pointer
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16:30<babilen>lamb: You essentially install everything into a subdirectory in /usr/local/stow/ and the tool then creates symlinks to that it behaves as if you installed it directly to /usr/local in the first place. That way you can easily remove it if you ever want to (or switch between version or ...)
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16:53<jaypdk>I'm trying to watch netflix on wheezy (stable) either by using netflix-desktop or pipelight, it doesn't matter. 'apt-get install netflix-desktop' tells me the package has unmet dependencies, wine-browser-installer and wine-silverlight5.1-installer, and E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
16:53<jaypdk>Anyone have any ideas?
16:53<jaypdk>I'm a debian noob :(
16:55<sysvalve>jaypdk: did you try to apt-get update before apt-get install?
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16:55<sysvalve>maybe you are using testing or sid and dependencies are not yet packaged or at the version that the netflix package needs
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16:56<jaypdk>sysvalve: yep i updated first
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16:56<jaypdk>sysvalve: how can i fix that? :)
16:56<nikomo>There is no such package as netflix-desktop on official repos
16:56<nikomo>Where are you installing it from
16:56<supaman>jaypdk: try apt-get -f install .. that tells apt to try and fix your package state
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16:56<jaypdk>thanks for responding :)
16:57<jaypdk>I get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
16:58<jaypdk>nikomo: I added this in my sources.list
16:58<jaypdk>deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/DarkPlayer:/Pipelight/Debian_7.0/ ./
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16:59<jaypdk>Or no.. sorry that one was for pipelight
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17:00<nikomo>I think the dependencies are broken, the packages are named wine-silverlight5.1-installer etc. on the mirror
17:00<nikomo>oh wait right
17:00<nikomo>hmm
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17:00<nikomo>I don't get it, that should work
17:01<nikomo>could just manually install the packages but that would be a bit ugly
17:01<nikomo>what if you run apt-get install wine-browser-install wine-silverlight5.1-installer ?
17:02<jaypdk>That just returns: E: Unable to locate package wine-browser-install
17:03<nikomo>My brain was on the right track, just had the wrong conclusion
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17:03<nikomo>wait what, that doesn't make sense
17:03<jaypdk>Even with pipelight I get pretty much the same thing... Depends on wine-compholio
17:03<nikomo>jaypdk: run apt-get install wine-browser-installer
17:04<jaypdk>THen when I try to install compholio it cant locate the package
17:04<nikomo>It's like it's ignoring packages, but there's packages for both x86 and amd64
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17:04<jaypdk>nikomo: says it depends on wine-compholio :/
17:04<nikomo>I'm assuming you're not trying to install these packages on some ARM system
17:05<jaypdk>nope
17:05<nikomo>I'm out of ideas, write an angry letter to Netflix about their lack of support for Linux
17:05<jaypdk>haha! Thanks for your help anyway!
17:05<jaypdk>It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me
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17:06<jaypdk>I pay them every month but they still wont let me use linux
17:07<nikomo>I don't pay them because they won't let me use Linux
17:08<nikomo>I'm eventually going to move all my machines over, pointless to start using a service I can't use in the future
17:09<jaypdk>That makes sense! Although apparently they're gonna start using an HTML5 player and abandon silverlight
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17:09<jaypdk>silverlight is shit anyway
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17:10<xander>hi
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17:12<girth>that would be good
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17:12<girth>hardly anyone adopted silverlight
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17:13<william_>hdkjd
17:13<jaypdk>Yeah.. I have no idea why netflix cling to it!
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17:14<girth>at i guess I would say copy protections
17:14<girth>same reason BBC iplayer bans gnash
17:15<jaypdk>Ah yeah,most likely.. but it's such crap, if I pay every month I should be able to watch it on whatever I want
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17:17<nbits>quit
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17:18<girth>but with the BBC state granted media service we dont even get the choice to opt to pay for it :)
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17:19<girth>i doubt the concept of "tv licence" can survive
17:19<girth>if they want to run public service broadcasting, I think the only way will be for it to come out of general taxation
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17:21<jaypdk>Here in Ireland instead of a tv license they've introduced a new tax that includes all public service broadcasting regardless of how you watch it
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17:22<jaypdk>it's simply another tax rather than having to go get a separate license
17:22<jaypdk>it's still a pain in ass though
17:24<petn-randall>jaypdk: We've got it in .de for years, it's a PITA.
17:24<petn-randall>girth, jaypdk, let's take this to #debian-offtopic to keep the channel clear for support.
17:25<jaypdk>petn-randall: ah sure.. sorry about that :)
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17:25<girth>roger that
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17:31<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps is it cool to ask for recommendations on software here?
17:31<petn-randall>Eryn_1983_FL: As long as it's related to Debian ... :)
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17:32<Eryn_1983_FL>kinda, looking for ticketing incident managmenet tool for my debian boxes
17:32<Eryn_1983_FL>something OSS, GPL
17:32<centrx>OTRS ?
17:32<petn-randall>Eryn_1983_FL: trac also works fine.
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17:32<Eryn_1983_FL>is it GPL?
17:32<Eryn_1983_FL>Trac..
17:32<petn-randall>Eryn_1983_FL: redmine should also be good, never used it though.
17:33<petn-randall>Eryn_1983_FL: Yep, even packaged in Debian. :)
17:33<Eryn_1983_FL>ok
17:33<Eryn_1983_FL>cool beans thats the way i roll
17:34<Eryn_1983_FL>yeah, i think i am going to use the trac wiki too, and put in adhoc how tos and snippets of fixes into it for later recall into the documentation,
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18:00<devil>redmine is fine, we just switched back from chily, which is dead in the water
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18:13<Grade_1>hi
18:13<Grade_1>anyone who could help me with phpmyadmin
18:13<Grade_1>?
18:14<supaman>!ask
18:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:14<Grade_1>hey
18:14<Grade_1>can someone help me with phpmyadmin
18:14<devil>nope
18:14<devil>be specific
18:15<devil>my problem is....
18:15<Grade_1>ok i cant login
18:15<Grade_1>when ever i try to login
18:15<Grade_1>it gives me the following error
18:15<Grade_1>'Connection for controluser as defined in your configuration failed'
18:15<Grade_1>please help
18:16<Grade_1>?]
18:17<devil>Grade_1: did you look at the config?
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18:18<Grade_1>i did everything
18:18<Grade_1>still it gives the same error
18:18<devil>what is everything?
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18:19<devil>it tells you where your error is
18:19<Grade_1>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1152326
18:19<Grade_1>i followed this and failed
18:19<devil>if you are using ubuntu, you are wrong here anyways
18:19<devil>it tells you where it fails, so please check
18:20<Grade_1>ok so tell me which channel to join.?
18:20<devil>!ubuntuirc
18:20<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
18:20<centrx>!ubuntu
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18:43<rfree>would it be easy to change https://www.debian.org/security/dsa to inline the dsciption of the advisory instead just linking?
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18:45<chealer>rfree: ask #debian-devel
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18:50<samkod>Not sure if anyone has installed the linux-headers from wheezy-backports but after about 2 hours after the install my system randomly rebooted then cycled again and when I went to log in my keyboard and mouse didnt move
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18:51<samkod>I flipped my surge protector, let it sit for 5 mins and ever since its been running fine. This has never happened to me before and I'm wondering if its from the new linux-headers from backports. Any thoughts?
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18:55<rfree>chealer: I'm just blind ;) it's on https://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long
18:55<iste>which xfce4 themes do you guys recommend?
18:55<iste>the default one isn't just for me :3
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18:55<lamb>Well... it's definitively a matter of choise but, let's see...
18:56<iste>*just isn't
18:56<lamb>I've had very good experiences with NOX, Ouroboros and Albatross, not to mention the good laughs with Redmond3
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18:57<chealer>samkod: why did you install it?
18:57<iste>haha redmond3
18:57<iste>has anyone ported the infamous 3.1 hot dog theme?
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18:59<samkod>I installed it because it was part of my weekly updates, I track backports and one of my packages was dependent upon it
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19:00<iste>http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Elegant+Brit?content=74553 going with this, it looks great to me
19:00<xubuntu>hello
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20:41<m8>hi there!
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20:42<m8>could you tell me, what's the cool differense between ubuntu and debian?
20:42<m8>difference* sorry
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20:42<sney>there are a few differences, I don't know what the "cool" one would be
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20:43<m8>hmm
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20:45<m8>sney, Do you like films?
20:46<sney>this is a support channel. if you have a debian question, ask it here. if you just want to chat, try joining #moocows
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20:47<m8>but i've got question exactly about Debian
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20:48<sney>is your films question somehow a debian question?
20:48<m8>my question sounds like: "Is Debian like Kill Bill 2 or 1?"
20:49<sney>what?
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20:49<m8>what Kill Bill do u like more, sney?
20:49<m8>1st one or 2nd one?
20:49<sney>I haven't seen either one in years. the first, I guess? where is this going
20:50<m8>are Ubuntu and Debian like Kill Bill 2 and 1
20:50<m8>?
20:50<sney>not in any way I can think of
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20:50<LtL>m8: they both suck, now read the topic
20:50<m8>monseur
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20:52<m8>what are the cool features of Debian, which Ubuntu have not?
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20:54<m8>I'm asking becoz i don't know Deb
20:54<m8>i'm un=buntu user
20:54<m8>but i'm going to install it
20:54<m8>install Deb
20:55<m8>and thought of some cool information from you
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21:24<awal>m8, the big difference for me is about confidence and truthiness, apart stability, community, technical things, policy's...... Since amazon apps...
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21:44<centrx>Best part about Debian: Confidence and Truthiness
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21:59<rryoumaa>truthiness has 2 opposite meanings
21:59<lamb>opposite?
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21:59<rryoumaa>the archaic meaning, which you are using, and the popular meaning
22:00<SamB>archaic meaning?
22:00<rryoumaa>but then i don't know what truthiness there is in debian?
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22:01<rryoumaa>SamB: yeah, something like truthness
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22:01<SamB>you mean, truthfulness?
22:01<rryoumaa>i don't think so, but maybe
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22:02<rryoumaa>the popular meaning was applied to gwb, and it meant "appearance of truth without regard to whether it is true"
22:02<rryoumaa>or similar
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22:03<rryoumaa>wordnik says you're right, at least
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22:03<rryoumaa>SamB: ^
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