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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-04-07

---Logopened Mon Apr 07 00:00:08 2014
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00:25<pila_niu>discon
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02:24<alvaro2>hola
02:24<alvaro2>hello
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02:25<centrx>!hi
02:25<dpkg>hello, centrx
02:26<leoslax>hello centrx
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02:47<wheeler>hi! I'm looking for cpu grabber for Debian. I want to decrease cpu frequency to save battery
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02:49<ncl>apt-get install cpufreq-utils
02:49<wheeler>thax
02:49<wheeler>thanx
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02:52<jm_>wheeler: do you have laptop-mode-tools installed?
02:53<wheeler>jm_: No
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02:54<jm_>wheeler: I recommend you install it, it also has cpufreq config settings (see /etc/laptop-mode/conf.d/cpufreq.conf)
02:55<leoslax>exit
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03:04<wheeler>jm_: I have just installed these tools. What do you recommend to change?
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03:07<jm_>wheeler: defaults should be OK
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03:13<wheeler>thank you
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04:08<biketron>quit
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04:44<kajair> hi. how can i change home directory in xubuntu?
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04:48<nocturnal>you need to ask in an ubuntu-related channel
04:48<nocturnal>oh
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05:05<rfree-guest>http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
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05:05<rfree-guest>did my debian just download corrupted (or spoofed?) apt release file?
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05:35<omg123>hello
05:36<omg123>Is lenny version still supported? If not can I build my own repository server ?
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05:37<jm_>support in what way?
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05:39<omg123>trying to install pakages with aptitude and i am getting 404 / not found for the .deb packages
05:39<jm_>that works with correct sources.list file - it's on archive.debian.org
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05:44<ompaul>jm_: as I've just joined I'll suggest you are trying to use software that has no more security support - for that reason alone I hope you are not connected to the internet for anything other than packages with that box
05:45<jm_>ompaul: I have clarified things for omg123, so I hope they read this too (I have explicitely asked what kind of support they want as that was the initial question) ...
05:45<omg123>it's basicly a data logger (non-snesitive data) security is of second importance
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05:45<ompaul>jm_: ack woops
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05:46<ompaul>omg123: but it is connected so when you lose the data or it is corrupted ... your fun day begines
05:46<ompaul>begins even :)
05:46<danielsh`>I'd like to resolve DNS names as follows: anything ending in .myorg.priv gets resolved by 192.168.0.2 and everything else gets resolved by 10.0.0.1. How may I achieve this?
05:48<ompaul>danielsh`: 192..2 needs to run bind for all .priv and it also must know about 10. upstream
05:48<Guest3806>I think you can do that by sending your dns resolution through a local dnsmasq instance. You *can't* do it with just resolv.conf
05:48<danielsh`>ompaul, 10. isn't an upstream of 192. . One is the work VPN and one is my personal VPN.
05:48<Guest3806>ugh, why am I guested?
05:49*danielsh` looks up dnsmasq
05:49<ompaul>danielsh`: didn't have your network plan open ;-) yeah that's one way
05:50<ompaul>danielsh`: so you are sitting on 193. ;-)
05:50<danielsh`>ompaul, sure, I realize my setup isn't a common one, you made a ver yreasonable assumption.
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05:51<ompaul>danielsh`: when not conventional advertising that first is useful ;-) when I connect to multiple vpns I'm usually happy enough to ssh to the vpn node far end and do work from there - unless you need gui
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05:52<ompaul>danielsh`: gui tools I usually deal with by ssh -X
05:52<danielsh`>maxb: hi!
05:52<maxb>Hello :-)
05:53<danielsh`>maxb, and yes, dnsmasq looks promising. The -S flag should do what I want; and it can even act as a DHCP client, which was my next question.
05:54<maxb>I got halfway into researching it for similar reasons, but then I just settled for using my work's DNS for everything
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05:54<danielsh`>ompaul, usually I don't need ssh, I just fire up openvpn so my laptop sits on both networks.
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05:54<danielsh`>ompaul, *noted* re. advertising up front. I might have have oversimplified the question.
05:55<danielsh`>maxb, that works so long as only one side has private names.
05:55<ompaul>esp with the dhcp it would have had me thinking ...
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05:55<ompaul>danielsh`: openvpn will give you an ip based on your key
05:55<danielsh`>maxb, if you have foo.home.priv and bar.work.priv, you can't get around dnsmasq or so, I think...
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05:55<maxb>My home network is pretty much just my laptop
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05:55<danielsh`>ompaul, I don't use the DHCP provided resolvers, but I might need to someday..
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05:56<ompaul>danielsh`: ssh into 10. check the /etc/openvpn/status.log ssh back to the ip for your key game on
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05:57<danielsh`>ompaul, I don't understand what you're trying to do? I didn't even say I had ssh access to the resolvers...
05:57<maxb>Me wonders what problem ompaul is trying to solve here
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05:58<maxb>Oops, critical missing / :-)
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05:58<danielsh`>maxb, my normal use-case is using my personal VPN while at work and wanting my DNS to be resolved over the VPN
05:58<ompaul>maxb: advertising how I work out what box is connected to the corporate lan for ssh and apt-get
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05:59<ompaul>maxb: hyper critical ;-)
05:59<danielsh`>ompaul, ifconfig would say that, no?
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05:59<ompaul>danielsh`: I want the other persons ip
05:59<ompaul>so I can get onto their machine to fix it just the way I want it
05:59<maxb>Ugh ifconfig. Use /sbin/ip, it's much nicer !
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06:01<danielsh`>I never used ip(8) ... maybe I should give it a go some day.
06:02<ompaul>jm_: just for fun - omg123 who has quit asked the same questions on freenode :-(
06:02<ompaul>danielsh`: today is a good day
06:02<danielsh`>can it do something that ifconfig/route(8) can't do ?
06:02<danielsh`>or is it just nicer syntax, etc ?
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06:04<ompaul>it does stuff that the now being deprecated ifconfig does
06:05<maxb>ip(8) generally has clearer output, I find, and it can work with multiple IP addresses on an interface a lot better than ifconfig, and more, like policy routing rules
06:06*danielsh` is browsing ip-*(8) man pages ...
06:07<danielsh`>ompaul, maxb: thanks for the help with my original question.
06:08<danielsh`>(incidentally: ip-neighbour(8)? I'm not used to seeing UK spelling in documentation)
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06:09<ompaul>danielsh`: us spelling is a bug ;-)
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06:10<danielsh`>ompaul, I think you made a typo, s/bug/bg/ :)
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06:11<ompaul>hehe
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06:36<florian_>Hello, I'm new. I have a little problem with my printer (HP OfficeJet H470). I want to use bluetooth but I do not. I managed to connect bluetooth but I can not use the command "Connect" in the menu "Bluetooth" is grayed out. Someone can help me, thank you in advance
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06:42<hjem_>florian_: you could check whether bt is blocked by hardware or software. `rfkill list` gives you an overview over the currently blocked intefaces, and you can also unblock stuff with rfkill.
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06:53<florian_>@hjem I found a package "hp-setup". At the begining of the installation i have 4 choses : 1/ Universal Serial Bus. 2/ Network/Ethernet/Wireless network. 3/ Wireless/802.11. 4/ Parallel Port. But no Bluetooth.
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07:04<petn-randall>florian_: Though it's tempting, try to use Debian packages first, and only if you've run out of option use the vender installer. More often than not those packages break other stuff, at least that's my experience.
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07:05<jm_>petn-randall: hp-setup is part of the hplip package
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07:05<petn-randall>Oh, I assumed there was a package called hp-setup that florian_ installed. Sorry for the noise then.
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07:09<florian_>no problem. But about "hp-setup" and 4 choices it offers me, should I choose a 4? (I'm french so I do not understand all the different choices that "hp-setup" offers me. "
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07:10<Hop>Sorry I just sent a message to this channel but my computer messed up and didn't what to ask the samething twice did the message go through
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07:12<Hop>I have tripwire and when I try and update it I get an error <name>.twe but I noticed in /var/lib/tripwire/report that the .twr files are appearing on there own does tripwire automatically update?
07:12<jm_>florian_: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=64016 this one mentions bluetooth://MAC_ADDRESS - have you tried using CUPS?
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07:13<Hop>Sorry if I repeated this question twice my computer messed up
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07:22<florian_>I'll try with CUPS after eating. thank you @jm
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07:28<inkbottle>[already on debian-next:] Hi, 1 hour ago the available disk memory in root filesystem was 1.1G; it's now of 925M. What can produce this? (yesterday the available part had shrunk to 0, came back after reboot)
07:29<jm_>inkbottle: why don't you use du to find out?
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07:30<inkbottle>jm_: I did du on tmp, nothing there
07:30<jm_>inkbottle: but why are you limiting it to /tmp?
07:32<Apollo>prolly gonna be the apt cache
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07:32<inkbottle>because i don't know what to look for or what was the size before, but your right, if i do it now and say in a couple of hours (in the eventuality the memory have shrunk again), i could notice differences
07:32<inkbottle>so ok it's good idea
07:32<jm_>exactly: cd / && du -x *
07:32<jm_>then compare it again
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07:36<jm_>inkbottle: you can also use a tool like baobab if you want GUI
07:39<inkbottle>No it's ok; I'll do that, now and in "some times"; and make a diff on the outputs; it'll take a while
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08:22<fanto666>Hello, is it safe to remove i386 libraries off amd64 system, when there's no package that depends on them?
08:23<fanto666>I've had 5 libs installes - libc6, libstdc++, libgcc and gcc-4.7-base
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08:23<txt-file>fanto666: if you have no software outside of the package system which depends on the i386 stuff then yes
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08:24<txt-file>and it is normal to have different libc's installed
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08:25<fanto666>I was curious why it's there... inherited system from other admins
08:25<txt-file>you can check with "aptitude why packagename"
08:25<fanto666>especially when there's no arch infor in sources.list, yet I see :i386 packages
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08:26<txt-file>you do not need the arch info in the sources.list
08:26<fanto666>especially when there's no arch infor in sources.list, yet I see :i386 packages
08:26<fanto666>ops, sorry
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08:28<caravel>Hi all, I've found quite a bit of Debian grub2 docs in various scenarios, except the weird one I'm willing to set up :)
08:28<caravel>I've created two GPT partitions: a 1M bios_grub and the rest as a LUKS/LVM
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08:30<caravel>I've prepared one LV per OS I plan to install (eg. Wheezy, Jessie, unstable..) and one LV I want to use for a "neutral" grub menu, that means, distro-independent
08:30<caravel>s/unstable/Sid/ # why would I not name it also?..
08:31<jm_>wouldn't it be easier to simply use chroot for that?
08:31<txt-file>or kvm?
08:32<caravel>no, as I hope to be able to get "native" hardware support in all at least for testing migration etc.
08:32<caravel>(if I stick anything in btw..)
08:32<jm_>that shouldn't be an issue with chroot
08:32<caravel>frankly, I just miss experience with those, hmm
08:32<jm_>obviously you'd need different kernels if you also want to test that
08:33<caravel>(maybe I should learn indeed, I'm all listening here)
08:34<caravel>ok, please let me try to expose the initial idea first?
08:34<caravel>I found this quite interesting/inspiring :) http://sgf-dma.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/multiboot-with-grub-2.html
08:34<jm_>go ahead, it was just a quick suggestion (I will have to leave soon anyway)
08:35<caravel>but here I just plan to keep using the "multiboot" grub2 command to load each distro's respective grub core.img
08:35<caravel>I've done that for ages and it's both simple and elegant, I found (each distro can do it's own thing, it's a bit like like chainloading but lighter)
08:36<fanto666>funny, another system with 6 :i386 packages installed, depending on each other
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08:37<txt-file>fanto666: yeah … happens …
08:37<caravel>So, in that direction, basically I know quite a bit yet about grub, but I never actually compiled it or installed it in full myself (I always "cheated" by copying whatever distro's grub tree into my "neutral" tree)
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08:40<caravel>Now I'm about to start by installing Wheezy on that setup. My question is, will I need to go entirely manual for the grub part ? What should the installer be expected to do on such GPT/LUKS/LVM setup for the grub side, once I will have set all mounts in partman?
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08:42<caravel>Grub2 version in Wheezy is 1.99xxx iirc, so I *assume* it should support unlocking crypto *before* loading the menu, cf. http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2014/02/28/full-crypto-setup-with-grub2/
08:43<caravel>I guess I'll get my own answers soon anyway :) I'd love any hint thou, or any pointer to docs I'd have missed
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08:48<caravel>txt-file: oh, what you and jm_ were suggesting was on the fs side, right? i.e. one directory for each OS on the same fs instead of LVs ?
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08:50<txt-file>i suggested to use virtual machines and jm suggested to install the different versions in different folder and then use chroot
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08:52<caravel>ok, yes I plan to use kvm daily (I might have to stick to vbox for a while, lurking on whonix too), but I want to be able to boot *also* some install nativly at some point
08:53<caravel>I guess a chroot would be much beneficial indeed, over distinct LVs, for GNU/Linux installations
08:53<txt-file>then chroot sounds better
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08:54<caravel>right - and I'd still better set my "neutral" grub, no?
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08:54<txt-file>you can also do both … put the chroot enviroments in LV's
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08:56<caravel>guess I really need to learn more on chroot, I've only used it to rescue things so far from a Live or dropbear (;p) but not yet otherwise
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08:58<txt-file>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroot is a good starting point
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09:05<caravel>txt-file: thanks :)
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09:06<fgbjhmklsr>what packages do I need to install for mount -t cifs to work
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09:11<fanto666>cifs-utils I guess
09:11<txt-file>cifs-utils according to https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=mount.cifs
09:11<fgbjhmklsr>thank you
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09:55<jaypdk>When I add sources to my sources.list is there anyway to not have to add the keys afterwards?
09:56<themill>add the key beforehand? (or don't use 3rd party repositories)
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10:03<jaypdk>themill: ah okay.. was just curious
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10:24<jaypdk>Is there an easy way to change to debian testing.. without reinstalling?
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10:25<babilen>jaypdk: From what?
10:26<jaypdk>babilen: I'm on wheezy stable
10:26<babilen>jaypdk: Please join #debian-next
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10:26<jaypdk>sure :)
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11:24<hugg>Can anyone help me understand why dkim-filter is in squeeze and sid, but not wheezy or jessie? https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=dkim-filter
11:25<hugg>I tried to understand the package newsfeed but it seems bleak.
11:28<neo1691>Unable to fetch lyrics in ncmpcpp
11:28<neo1691>Can someone help?
11:28<totte>neo1691: What is the error?
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11:29<neo1691>totte: It says Not found on all the website it tries to find the lyrics from
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11:31<iste>how long is wheezy supported?
11:31<totte>neo1691: Can you find them manually? DNS issue? Tried enabling some verbose output mode? Maybe you could run iptraf or something, see what it does.
11:31<iste>my parents are going to adopt to gnu/linux since windows xp dies tomorrow
11:31<neo1691>Do I need to make some changes in the configuration work if I want to get lyrics working
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11:31<iste>so I'm wondering if I should give them debian or a ubuntu derative like mint
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11:32<petn-randall>iste: You'll obviously get the answer "Debian" in this channel :)
11:32<neo1691>totte: Can you tell me how to find them manually!
11:32<neo1691>iste: Yes, you will get a biased answer
11:32<hugg>iste: Debian has all you need. Wheezy is supported until one year after Jessie moves into stable, if I understand.
11:32<iste>petn-randall: haha, I personally prefer it
11:33<iste>hugg: okay, that will do
11:33<neo1691>But I learned ubuntu first tried mint and fedora and now happily settled on debian for life
11:33<totte>neo1691: Use a web browser, go to whatever sites you pull lyrics from and see if the requested lyrics are indeed available.
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11:34<totte>If they are, the problem is with ncmpcpp not fetching them despite them being available.
11:34<iste>might go with centos actually
11:34<iste>6 is supported to 2020
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11:35<hugg>iste: If you like systemd, you could even go with jessie and then use puppet for unattended security upgrades.
11:35<neo1691>totte: Oh yes some sites are missing the lyrics!
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11:36<halo>hey
11:36<iste>hugg: hmm, I have a jessie netinst usb ready to go
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11:36<halo>someone point me in the right direction for Kali IRC?
11:36<hugg>iste: Ubuntu would be strange since Ubuntu Cloud still appears in the UI but is coming to EOL
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11:37<totte>halo: http://www.kali.org/community/
11:37<iste>is it easy to get pantheon to work on jessie?
11:37<iste>wrong channel sorry
11:37<halo>totte thanks
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11:38<iste>aaaa I can't switch tabs on irssi with alt as my modkey on awesome
11:38<iste>so I'll ask here :P
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11:39<hugg>iste: Why don't you try it in a VM?... archlinux wiki has a full article...
11:40<iste>hugg: good idea
11:40<hugg>Help? Can anyone help me understand what I'm to do without the dkim-filter package in wheezy? https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=dkim-filter
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11:53<apachepost>iste: Debian would be awesome for your folks, you could set it up for them to look exactly like xp ;)
11:53<hugg>apachepost: iste hopefully not too much like XP...
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11:54<iste>apachepost: I was considering cinnamon for them
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11:54<apachepost>hug lol well whatever they want
11:54<iste>mostly because of the similarities between the ui
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11:55<iste>cinnamon is only in sid?
11:55<apachepost>iste: well, with debian they can use whatever desktop and etc. then easily upgrade later
11:56<iste>shouldn't be too hard to build it myself tho
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11:59<apachepost>my grandma uses debian-live [gnome], boots from usb, and saves all her stuff to external drives
11:59<apachepost>never looked back!
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12:04<apachepost>How can someone extended their root partition, without lvm?
12:04<apachepost>for example, on an sdhc, to create more space
12:05<hugg>apachepost: across physical disks?
12:05<apachepost>I've done it for other places [e.g. /home], but wanted to ask, to get some pointers things NOT to do :)
12:05<mtn>apachepost: if I understand you, you can do that using gparted on a live disk
12:05<apachepost>hugg, yes across physical disks in this case
12:06<apachepost>mtn thanks
12:06<hugg>apachepost: mtn -- across physical disks without lvm or raid, using gparted?
12:06<mtn>apachepost: not sure gparted will work in your case
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12:07<mtn>hugg: no, not across more than one disk
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12:07<mtn>apachepost: you can't have a partition across disks without lvm or raid, anyway
12:08<mtn>apachepost: I thought you meant to expand the size of the partition. Like I said, if I understood ;)
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12:09<apachepost>A system has ran out of space on '/'
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12:09<apachepost>Is there any way to suppliment/add-to that...
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12:09<apachepost>without a complete reiinstall or other drastic options
12:09<hugg>apachepost: move / to a larger disk
12:09<mtn>apachepost: is there extra room on the same disk?
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12:11<apachepost>mtn, yes there is a lot of room available on her system,
12:11<apachepost>everything is currently part of existing [non lvm, non raid] partitions
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12:12<mtn>apachepost: gparted can shrink and expand partitons, which should work then
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12:12<apachepost>hugg, you are right there in line with my sd card idea.. i was thinking there are also some other benifits to that set up
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12:44<acald3ron>hello. I mount my usb pendrive and i cannot write.
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12:46<hugg>acald3ron: check the output of `mount`. see if the device's line says (rw) at the end
12:47<acald3ron>hugg: Well i used xfce4 i dont used command line.
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12:48<acald3ron>http://fpaste.org/92323/
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12:49<hugg>okay what's the output of mount
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12:52<acald3ron>hugg: i dont know.
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12:55<lord_rob>acald3ron: doesn't hugg mean cat /etc/mtab ?
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12:56<acald3ron>lord_rob: http://fpaste.org/92327/
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13:00<blast007>acald3ron: why can't you provide the output of 'mount'?
13:01<acald3ron>blast007: http://fpaste.org/92327/
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13:02<blast007>that is the contents of /etc/fstab, not the output of the 'mount' command
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13:05<hugg>acald3ron: open a terminal, and type mount
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13:05<lord_rob>(that's because of me :) but I said Mtab not FStab)
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13:08<acald3ron>lord_rob: http://fpaste.org/92331/
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13:10<blast007>acald3ron: well, it's mounted read-write ext4, so verify that you actually have the permissions and owner/group set up right on the USB drive's file system
13:11<hugg>acald3ron: check the output of `groups`
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13:12<acald3ron>hugg: how do i do that ?
13:12<hugg>acald3ron: open a terminal and type groups
13:12<hugg>then enter
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13:13<acald3ron>hugg: http://fpaste.org/92333/90818139/
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13:14<h_hiva>/dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,data=ordered)
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13:14<h_hiva>sorry, it was just a mistake :P
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13:15<hugg>acald3ron: is this system inside a virtual machine like virtualbox?
13:16<acald3ron>No, its in my netbook.
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13:18<hugg>in the terminal, type this: cd /media/usb0 && touch test
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13:19<acald3ron>hugg: "bash: /media/usb0: Is a directory"
13:20<acald3ron>sorry this is the correct: "touch: cannot touch ‘test’: Permission denied"
13:20<SamB>I was going to say that first one looked like you tried to touch the directory ...
13:22<hugg>acald3ron: cd /media/usb0/ && ls -lah
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13:23<acald3ron>hugg: http://fpaste.org/92334/
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13:24<hugg>acald3ron: so, the usb is owned by root and not writeable by anyone not in the root group
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13:25<hugg>acald3ron: you will be able to write to it in `su` mode (as root)
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13:26<hugg>acald3ron: or if you want to write to it as your user, you can do this in a terminal `sudo chmod -R a+wrx /media/usb0`
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13:27<hakann>EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
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13:28<acald3ron>hugg: its work, but do i have to do this every time that i turn on my computer?
13:29<hugg>acald3ron: no. you only had to do this once. You can read more about the unix file permissions here: https://kb.iu.edu/data/abdb.html
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13:30<acald3ron>i will reboot my computer to test it.
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13:32<edward__>hablan español
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13:33<edward__>hey
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13:34<acald3ron>thanks hugg, yes it work thanks !
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13:34<hugg>acald3ron: :)
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13:40<lord_rob>!es
13:40<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:41<acald3ron>dpkg: gracias por la informacion.
13:41<dpkg>acald3ron: are you smoking crack?
13:41<acald3ron>dpkg: why are you asking that ?
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13:41<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, acald3ron
13:42<lord_rob>this was for agentedd
13:42<blast007>acald3ron: dpkg is a bot
13:43<acald3ron>ah ok, i was confused with that king of question.
13:43<lord_rob>:D
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13:51<agentedd>necesito ayuda
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13:51<agentedd>con openconnect
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13:53<blast007>agentedd: /join #debian-es
13:54<acald3ron>lol
13:55<bullgard4>A sysnthesized voice greats me when I switch on my Debian 7.4 computer. What forum or medium ( except in cz land) discusses speech-dispatcher and synthesized speech?
13:55<bullgard4>s/greats/greets/
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13:56<mhall119>w 51
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13:58<jhutchins_wk>bullgard4: What is it you want to know?
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14:01<bullgard4>Please read the question which I wrote.
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14:28<petn-randall>Is there a tool to video capture what a X11 application displays with a timestamp? I'm trying to debug jitsi, and want to correlate the log files with what is actually happening with the application.
14:30<somiaj>I recall some tool that at least recorded the info, I think it was real time so I think you could use the player to put a timestamp...let me see if I can rember that software (though I'd like to think there is better stuff out there now)
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14:30<nmschulte>strace is really low level, but it might work.
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14:30<nmschulte>you could try capturing a "clock" application in your video after ensuring it synchronizes properly
14:31<nmschulte>then you could use that to unify the two timespaces
14:31<petn-randall>nmschulte: I already thought of strace, but I'd like to have a high level few of what the app is doing ("initiating call") to check with the timestamps what's happening.
14:31<petn-randall>s/few/view/
14:31<nmschulte>petn-randall: for sure, sorry I'm not much help.
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14:33<somiaj>ahh xvidcap is what I remember, but I think it is kinda old, I don't see it in the repos either.
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14:34<dualbus>I think ffmpeg can record from X11 too
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14:36<nmschulte>petn-randall: what about the "draw the time and measure the difference/jitter out of band beforehand" idea?
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14:42<skainz>hello. i am using gnome 3/unstable and when i try to change the desktop background, i see the gnome settings dialog for just some milliseconds and then it's gone. any idea where/how i might go for debugging?
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14:43<somiaj>skainz: kinda depends on how you run x, but some dm's set up $HOME/.xsession-errors as stderr for xorg, that is a useful place to look for output
14:43<somiaj>or try to run the actual confg tool from a terminal and look at any output it may give
14:44<skainz>somiaj, hmm .xsession-errors only tells me about some wacom issues during gnome startup. i start from gdm3 btw.
14:44<somiaj>I'm unsure if gdm3 sets up .xsession-errors or not
14:45<ScottE>petn-randall: give 'perf' a try, it's higher level than strace
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14:45<skainz>somiaj, ok, i'll go for a gdm/strace session with gnome-control-center
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14:46<somiaj>yea gdm3 use to put it's stderr to $HOME/.xsession-errors, there was a bug report to maybe move it, but no resolution so I'm gonna assume it is in the same place
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14:46<somiaj>so yea if you aren't getting any output there, debugging/strace may help more
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14:47<somiaj>wait, check here, $XDG_CACHE_HOME/gdm/session.log -- I missread teh bugreport, seems it was in the NEWS: for changes in gdm3
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14:48<somiaj>seems that is $HOME/.cache/gdm/session.log
14:49<skainz>ok, running gnome-control-center from xterm dies with a segfault...
14:50<skainz>after clicking the backgroung icon
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14:51<skainz>seems i found it : #737590
14:51<somiaj>found an older bug too #681068
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14:53<somiaj>skainz: it looks like more a problem with a libary than the control center, but you do know about snapshot.debian.org to get older versions of packages to isntall see if it is the version of gnome-control-center.
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14:56<skainz>somiaj, yes, i know snapshot.d.o, thank you. i'll give it a try.
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15:47<Guest5730>Hey all, someone has given me a old old 32bit desktop computer. And I was wondering if I put linux on it would it run faster and better than the old win xp that came on it
15:47<SynrG>possibly. what are its specs? i imagine if it could run xp, it would run debian just fine.
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15:48<centrx>Guest5730, Probably. You can make sure to install only lightweight software in Debian.
15:48<SynrG>more importantly, are you willing to accept *100% lack of support* of XP since they are terminating it finally?
15:48<centrx>Guest5730, On the other hand, Windows XP is pretty old and lightweight too (though maybe not SP3)
15:48<SynrG>if the answer is "no", then "how does it perform?" is your least worry
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15:49<SynrG>by "they", i mean microsoft
15:49<Guest5730>I am not 100% sure but I am guessing around 512mb or less of ram the hard drive I am not sure of. All I really want it for is to read ebooks and write programs on
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15:49<SynrG>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/end-of-support.aspx
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15:50<SynrG>^^ the end. just arrived.
15:50<SynrG>512M is *oodles* of ram :)
15:50<SynrG>the hard drive is more of a worry. it may be on its last legs
15:50<Guest5730>But I didn't think I would need much just for wanting it for that little bit you know
15:50<SynrG>find a cheap replacement
15:51<SynrG>in that class of system it probably has > 5 years on it
15:51<Guest5730>We'll I have a better computer I use for all my stuff, I just really am wanting this for just playing with
15:51<SynrG>as long as "i don't care if the hard drive dies taking all my data with it" is a problem, sure.
15:51<SynrG>though you should learn to value your time more than that :)
15:52<SynrG>even if it is just "play"
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15:52<Guest5730>I would guess at maybe more years than that lol
15:52<SynrG>so seriously see if you can find a ~ $50 drive or so to replace it
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15:52<Guest5730>I am not going to use it for anything that would be important I have a much better top of the line laptop for that
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15:53<SynrG>another option for failing/missing hdd is to netboot it
15:53<SynrG>or even to boot it from usb
15:53<SynrG>anyway, yes. this system is suitable to play with debian on
15:54<Guest5730>Synrg I was thinking about doing some upgrades to it and the hard drive motherboard CPU and ram was at the top I the list
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15:54<SynrG>select xfce or lxde as the desktop
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15:54<SynrG>!tell Guest5730 about install xfce
15:54<SynrG>!tell Guest5730 about install lxde
15:54<Guest5730>Synrg it's only to play with nothing more
15:54<SynrG>yup. debian is up to the job. have fun :)
15:54<Guest5730>That's what I was thinking xfce
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15:55<Guest5730>Synrg thanks a lot
15:55<SynrG>if you have questions about support for specific hardware in it, we'll need to know the pciid (can be obtained for pci cards with 'lspci -nn') of the hardware in question
15:56<SynrG>some hardware needs separate firmware to work
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15:56<SynrG>!tell Guest5730 about firmware image
15:57<Guest5730>:) thanks
15:58<Guest5730>but like I said it was something I just want to play with. And at the nose read a ebook or learn a new programming language on nothing major
15:58<Guest5730>And at the most sorry missed typed
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16:00<Guest5730>Synrg But I am going to run thanks a lot I know that there is people in here that is needing help and I know you all are busy. Have a good day
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16:36<primit1v3>any gnome devs on???
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16:40<primit1v3>am I on the right channel to talk gnome/debian???
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16:41<gusnan>primit1v3: if you don't get an answer here, you can try #debian-gnome (also here on OFTC)
16:41<primit1v3>wasn't aware...many thanx
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17:51<antiwire>I am trying to figure out what another admin did on an old Lenny server which hosts old school "Linux V Servers". Specifically, I'm trying to understand this interfaces file which is from the Vserver host itself. Are the up and down rules for ip route and iptables only applying to the eth1 interface? http://pastebin.com/Vp6GQ09T
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17:57<madmax>hallo
17:57<madmax>no one here
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17:58<centrx>hah
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18:09<that_guy>looks like openssl has been patched and pushed already
18:09<that_guy>that's good
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19:08<magu_cic>hello, is an update for openssl 1.0.1g available?
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19:09<ncl>magu_cic: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0160
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19:11<MoonGNatRouth>can anyone advise me where to read about the most standart processes in linux. Like kworker, cpuset, watchdog, migration, ksoftirqd and etc.
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19:13<centrx>MoonGNatRouth, Some of those look like kernel processes, so that's a place to start
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19:16<MoonGNatRouth>centrx, can you say something more definite?
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19:21<centrx>MoonGNatRouth, kworker, ksoftirqd, watchdog, migration are ..
19:21<centrx>and it's gone
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19:32<magu_cic>ncl: thx
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20:03<kurumin>trying to install new kernel on kurumin
20:03<centrx>This looks six years old.
20:04<centrx>And not Debian
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20:05<kurumin>kernel knopix are debian kernel custom
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20:09<centrx>!kurumin
20:09<dpkg>Kurumin Linux was a Brazilian Linux distribution originally based on <Knoppix>, then Debian Etch. Discontinued January 29 2009: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www.gdhpress.com.br/kurumin/ , http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090202#news . Ask me about <install debian>.
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20:59<Schnabeltier>yeay, chrooted squeeze on my router...
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21:00<Schnabeltier>next compile the new prosody package for mips...
21:00<Schnabeltier>damnit
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21:35<saiyan>hi i am having a problem getting browscap.ini to work with php.ini
21:35<saiyan>I can't get the get_browser() function to recognize what browser I am using
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21:36<centrx>saiyan, Sounds like something where #php on Freenode will be more helpful
21:37<saiyan>I have been asking there
21:37<centrx>oh
21:37<centrx>What's browscap?
21:37<saiyan>its a file in /etc/mono/
21:38<centrx>You are integrating PHP and mono?
21:38<saiyan>am i supposed to be using another browscap?
21:38<saiyan>i did find / -iname browscap.ini and the one in /etc/mono is the only one that showed up
21:38<saiyan>/etc/mono/browscap.ini
21:39<saiyan>maybe I need to download another browscap?
21:39<alloyed>mono is a .NET implementation, it should have nothing to do with PHP
21:39<saiyan>that may be the problem
21:39<alloyed>maybe try https://github.com/GaretJax/phpbrowscap
21:39<saiyan>thanks
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21:40<saiyan>this might be a stupid question but whats the best way to download this?
21:41<saiyan>and where should i put this in my file system
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21:42<centrx>saiyan, Probably /etc/phpsomething or /usr/local/something
21:42<saiyan>ok, but how do I download this?
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21:43<saiyan>besides just copying and pasting it and making the browscap.ini file myself then pasting the code?
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21:43<alloyed>It looks like it uses a php-specific package manager called composer
21:43<alloyed>https://github.com/GaretJax/phpbrowscap/wiki/QuickStart
21:43<saiyan>??
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21:46<alloyed>saiyan: A package manager just keeps track of the software on your computer, like the add/remove programs thing on Windows
21:46<alloyed>It looks like that link I gave gives instructions on how to install everything
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21:50<smk-madu>hai
21:50<smk-madu>ekhm
21:50<smk-madu>ada yang bisa bantu?
21:50<centrx>saiyan, Composer is a PHP package dependency manager PHP programmers use, but browscap is just one file, so you don't necessarily need it.
21:51<smk-madu>gak ngerti bahasa inggris
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21:52<smk-madu_>hai
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21:53<smk-madu>ekhm
21:53<saiyan>hey
21:53<smk-madu>kamu ker naen?
21:53<smk-madu>S@hey juga
21:53<saiyan>centrx: thanks, im just confused on how to do all this crap
21:53<smk-madu_>ker jagomg
21:53<smk-madu>SM@ker naen?
21:54<smk-madu>ada informasi gak???
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21:55<centrx>Must suck not knowing any common world language
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21:56<saiyan>I completely agree centrx
21:56<Smokestacks>looks sort of like indonesian
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21:56<saiyan>looks like shit
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21:56<saiyan>basically
21:56<smk-madu>S@yes, i like
21:56<saiyan>you like shit?
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21:57<Smokestacks>Google translate agrees that it looks Indo, but won't translate it...oh well.
21:57<smk-madu>Sai@yes
21:57<saiyan>thats disgusting
21:58<Smokestacks>oh, had it set wrong haha...yeah, he said he doesn't understand English
21:58<Smokestacks>smk-madu: Kita tidak tahu bahasa Indonesia, maaf.
21:58<saiyan>durka durka, mohammad jihad
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22:04<smk-madu>smkokes:never mind
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22:05<smk-madu_>hayang madang
22:06<smk-madu>Smk-madu: do not use Indonesian
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22:07<smk-madu_>ngising
22:07<smk-madu>smk: what??
22:07<smk-madu_>mosdollllllll
22:07<centrx>!ops person talking to himself in a foreign language
22:07<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_: centrx complains about: person talking to himself in a foreign language
22:07<smk-madu>jangan pake indonesia cenah
22:07<smk-madu_>kumaha aing waeeeeeeeeeeee
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22:11<Smokestacks>that's a cool command, pinging all the ops at once
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22:12<centrx>It is useful in cases of troll infestation, spambot invasion, etc.
22:12<ays>hey,, how do you do all?
22:13<centrx>We all do very well
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22:14<saiyan>hey guys, i figured it out!
22:14<ays>Ouh,, the good news.!
22:14<saiyan>have you heard the good news!
22:15<saiyan>jesus is here!! ITS ARMAGEDDON!!!
22:15<smk-madu>Hayam stump
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22:16<saiyan>centrx: i figured it out
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22:17<centrx>Bravo
22:19<saiyan>thanks!!
22:19<saiyan>do you not feel the sense of accomplishment?!?!?
22:19<centrx>I can feel it
22:19<centrx>Your sense of accomplishment is shedding a glow across the room
22:19<saiyan>good... good
22:19<saiyan>I am going super saiyan
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22:20<saiyan>shedding that yellow glow
22:22<saiyan>ok well
22:22<saiyan>back to the tutorials
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22:22<saiyan>PRAISE THE SUN!!!!
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23:03<Salam_M_Ahmed>Hello guys can someone help me please ?
23:04<t12345>Salam_M_Ahmed: what do you need? i'll see if i can help.
23:04<centrx>!ask
23:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:05<Salam_M_Ahmed>Thank dear @t12345. my question is: How i can revert my mouse buttons to make Right-Click be Left-Click using Commands lines(terminal), please NOT GUI, just cli here :D
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23:07<t12345>Salam_M_Ahmed: http://askubuntu.com/questions/151819/how-do-i-swap-mouse-buttons-to-be-left-handed-from-the-terminal might work
23:07<centrx>Salam_M_Ahmed, There might be some configuration option in gpm, assuming gpm is still the way mouse is supported in CLI?
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23:08<t12345>are you talking about changing it for gpm, or for everything?
23:09<t12345>*or for X
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23:09<Salam_M_Ahmed>i'll tell something but guys to be mad... i am NOT using Debian :( but i heard that there is Command that will apply on ALL linux distros that can revert Mouse buttons from Right-Click to be Left-Click
23:10<Salam_M_Ahmed>but please dont be mad*
23:10<t12345>Salam_M_Ahmed: i'm not mad, but in the future try to find your distro's support channel instead of using debian.
23:11<Salam_M_Ahmed>Ok i deeply apologize dear t12345
23:13<Salam_M_Ahmed>in very short words... is there any command that will work on any Linux distribution to revert or 'convert' Mouse button ?
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23:13<t12345>Salam_M_Ahmed: i dont know about GPM, but the link i gave you should work for X (i havent tried it myself though)
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23:16<Salam_M_Ahmed>Ok Dear t12345, i will try it. i deeply apologize again, i ask you forgiveness. Last Question...
23:16<Salam_M_Ahmed>If i tried these commands will it break my anything in your opinion ? http://askubuntu.com/questions/151819/how-do-i-swap-mouse-buttons-to-be-left-handed-from-the-terminal
23:17<sugarpuff>what happened to #debian-security?
23:18<t12345>worst it would do is swap mouse buttons until you change it back. i dont have any expierience using xmodmap, but i'd assume to change it back it would just be the reverse of that command (ie, xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3")
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23:18<t12345>sugarpuff: what do you mean? i'm able to join #debian-security without a problem.
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23:19<sugarpuff>t12345: ah, looks like my client got confused, tried leaving and joining and now all good
23:19<Salam_M_Ahmed>OKKK never mind i already try it, and it works :D /// from bottom my heart... Thank you good brother t12345
23:20<sugarpuff>looks like it wasn't just me...
23:20<Salam_M_Ahmed>bye all and thanks again dear t12345
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23:20<Salam_M_Ahmed>//quit
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23:22<sugarpuff>t12345: how many people do you show in #debian-security?
23:23<awal>156
23:23<t12345>sugarpuff: not sure how to see how many people are on, but it looks about right
23:23<t12345>awal: how do you see total online users for a channel?
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23:24<us`0gb>t12345: It depends on your client.
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23:25<us`0gb>XChat shows the total in the upper left corner of the window.
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23:25<awal>t12345, I use hexchat and its shown above the list of users
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23:25<t12345>oh. it doesn't look like the webchat will show it, but 156 sounds about right
23:25<awal>as said, depend on your client
23:26<us`0gb>HexChat's a nice client. I'd use it if it were in Debian Stable. I believe it will be in the next version though.
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23:27<us`0gb>It does have a habit of ignoring the default browser setting that I set in Xfce though ... I have to set a second default browser setting from the command line to get HexChat to behave.
23:28<gsimmons>us`0gb: HexChat is available as a backport.
23:28<KaptenCepot>im newbie here can someone teach me how to use Xchat..
23:29<us`0gb>KaptenCepot: I'm not good at walking through all the functions, but if you have specific questions about using XChat, I can help.
23:29<centrx>Welcome to IRC
23:30<us`0gb>Actually, I don't know all the functions myself. I have to look up some things when I need them.
23:30<sugarpuff>t12345: thanks
23:30<awal>KaptenCepot, what you need exactly?
23:31<sugarpuff>wtf, #debian-security is completely silent
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23:31<sugarpuff>oh, spoke too soon
23:31<sugarpuff>someone just posted a message for the first time in … a while
23:31<KaptenCepot>thanks
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23:31<us`0gb>sugarpuff: Silence is more secure. No one can eavesdrop. Fitting for a security channel.
23:32<sugarpuff>us`0gb: lol
23:32<KaptenCepot>i recommended by my brother to join Xchat if i wanna learn about pentesting,is that right?
23:33<us`0gb>I usually use scrap paper for pen testing. I'm not sure what XChat has to do with pen or penetration testing though.
23:33<themill>sugarpuff: Why would you expect #d-security to be anything other than silent?
23:35<KaptenCepot>scarp paper?
23:35<sugarpuff>themill: because of heartbleed
23:36<sugarpuff>debian is vulnerable
23:36<us`0gb>Scrap paper ... to test my pens on.
23:36<dualbus>sugarpuff: sudo apt-get upgrade
23:36<sugarpuff>dualbus: it's not there
23:36<sugarpuff>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0160
23:36<themill>sugarpuff: it is not and #debian-security is not the channel to discuss it anyway
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23:36<KaptenCepot>umm it make me so curious..
23:36<sugarpuff>themill: what is not?
23:36<sugarpuff>stable, testing, and unstable, all vulnerable
23:37<themill>sugarpuff: incorrect.
23:37<Schnabeltier>is there an idiot-proof tutorial into cross-compiling for an chrooted debian running on mips?
23:37<sugarpuff>themill: enlighten me?
23:37<themill>sugarpuff: there's nothing much to say
23:37<sugarpuff>themill: yes there is
23:37<ncl>sugarpuff: stable is fixed
23:37<sugarpuff>ncl: oldstable is fixed
23:37<ncl>oldstable was never vulnerable
23:38<sugarpuff>ok, then someone needs to make this page a little clearer: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0160
23:38<dualbus>dualbus@debian ~ % apt-cache policy openssl | grep Installed; cat /etc/debian_version
23:38<dualbus> Installed: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5
23:38<dualbus>7.4
23:38<themill>sugarpuff: what's unclear about "fixed version"
23:38<ncl>sugarpuff: read under "Vulnerable and fixed packages"
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23:39<sugarpuff>themill: that next to "Debian/stable" it says: "package openssl is vulnerable."
23:39<themill>to be clear, the version in the "wheezy" is vulnerable and will remain that way for a few more weeks. The version in "wheezy/updates" (security.debian.org) was fixed hours ago
23:39<ncl>sugarpuff: security.debian.org has a fix for wheezy, but the official wheezy repo doesn't
23:40<ncl>(And you should have security.debian.org in your sources.list)
23:40<sugarpuff>ncl: i'm using testing
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23:40<sugarpuff>ncl: and yes, i have it
23:40<themill>sugarpuff: testing doesn't get security support
23:41<t12345>themill: it doesn't?
23:41<themill>no
23:41<sugarpuff>themill: why not?
23:41<t12345>why not?
23:41<SamB>anyway, it's migrating ASAP
23:42<KaptenCepot>just scrutinizing
23:42<themill>How do you expect that to be answered
23:42<themill>it does not because it does not.
23:42<sugarpuff>themill: that's a bad answer
23:42<themill>well it's the answer.
23:42<themill>if you want security support, run stable.
23:43<us`0gb>themill: It will be updated in the weezy repo in a few weeks? Why? It seems like the security repo covering it would be fine.
23:43<sugarpuff>this is ridiculous
23:43<themill>us`0gb: it will be copied across at the next point release
23:43<centrx>Next point release incorporates all security updates in the main repository
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23:43<us`0gb>themill: Ah, got it.
23:43<SamB>sugarpuff: you were warned!
23:43<SamB>!tum
23:43<dpkg>«echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution
23:44*centrx doesn't think that's the right warning
23:44<SamB>that wasn't a warning
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23:44<SamB>that was a suggestion for how to cherrypick the fix in advance of the migration
23:44<themill>dsa2896 is <reply> Versions of openssl prior to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 (wheezy) and 1.0.1g-1 (sid) are vulnerable to DSA 2896 (see http://deb.li/3BrUE). Check the version of the libssl1.0.0 packages: «aptitude versions '?source-package(openssl)?installed'»
23:44<sugarpuff>this is some stellar bs
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23:45<themill>sugarpuff: no, it's how it is.
23:45<sugarpuff>debian is going to leave a bunch of servers and all their users completely vulnerable for no good reason
23:45<sugarpuff>ridiculous
23:45<themill>sugarpuff: servers don't run testing
23:45<sugarpuff>themill: sure they do
23:45<sugarpuff>that's reality
23:45<themill>well they're idiots then
23:45<sugarpuff>let's not argue about who the idiots are, shall we?
23:46-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
23:46<dualbus>sugarpuff: You do understand the concept of *testing* right?
23:46-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: Welcome to the Debian Stable support channel | openssl: /msg dpkg dsa2896 | wheezy released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | current point release: /msg dpkg 7.4 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next
23:46<sugarpuff>dualbus: yes, and if anything, this fix should make it into testing and unstable first
23:46-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
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23:46<dualbus>If you understand it, you know that software under testing is expected to change, is not *stable*
23:46<sugarpuff>dualbus: precisely
23:46<themill>sugarpuff: no, the priority is fixing stable.
23:46<dualbus>sugarpuff: not really, because the critical deploys are the stable ones
23:46<us`0gb>sugarpuff: Servers shouldn't use Testing. End users who want security also shouldn't use Testing.
23:46<sugarpuff>there's no good reason not to fix this in all the releases
23:47<themill>End users who use testing should be prepared to grab the occasional package from sid.
23:47<sugarpuff>and your "should" is worth nothing
23:47<themill>sugarpuff: it's not like that' snot happening.
23:47<sugarpuff>because in the real world people use all kinds of systems
23:47<dualbus>sugarpuff: meh, troll.
23:47<SamB>sugarpuff: anyway, themill is speaking about the (pessimistic) support plan; in this particular case, it doesn't look like it's come to that
23:47<themill>and they're unsupported uses are unsupported.
23:47<SamB>so you're in luck, *this* time
23:47<us`0gb>Testing is not an current release. There's no particular reason why it would not have issues such as lack of security.
23:48<sugarpuff>it's precisely because it's called "testing" and "unstable" that changes and fixes go there first
23:48<sugarpuff>until they're proven stable
23:48<sugarpuff>and then go to stable
23:48<themill>no
23:48<SamB>there's no telling when testing will see updates, in general
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23:48<themill>you might like to learn about the release process before telling everyone that it's wrong
23:48<SamB>they can get held up for MONTHS
23:49<sugarpuff>ok, well, if i'm wrong, that's fine, but it's confusing to end-users
23:49<SamB>(has it ever been for years?)
23:49<themill>not really. most people don't come in with a preconceived idea and get the wrong end of the stick
23:49<dualbus>sugarpuff: it didn't confuse me. I run stable. I just 'sudo apt-get upgrade', and enjoyed the benefits
23:49<us`0gb>Actually, updates are moved from Unstable to Testing when they have seen stability for ten days or something. Testing doesn't see updates first.
23:49<dualbus>no thinking involved :)
23:50<sugarpuff>us`0gb: yeah, and unstable doesn't see this update either apparently
23:50<themill>sugarpuff: incorrect as I said
23:50<SamB>us`0gb: and their dependencies are all in place, yeah
23:50<sugarpuff>so the way security fixes go for debian, it's stable (security) -> stable -> unstable -> testing?
23:50<us`0gb>Wait, Unstable doesn't see this update? That seems odd to me, but I don't fully understand the process.
23:50<sugarpuff>that's bloody wonky
23:50<themill>sugarpuff: no
23:51<ncl>I don't see why security is of no priority in testing/unstable, I mean, what, do they expect everyone who tests to use a vm/different box?
23:51<SamB>unstable has an update
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23:51<SamB>ncl: it's not *no* priority
23:51<sugarpuff>SamB: unstable has a fix? cause this page disagrees: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0160
23:51<SamB>it's just not a "guarentee"
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23:52<themill>sugarpuff: perhaps you should read the page more carefully
23:52<bones_was_here>RTFM guys! https://www.debian.org/security/faq#unstable
23:52<SamB>sugarpuff: it's been built on all arches & uploaded
23:53<us`0gb>themill: "Debian/unstable package openssl is vulnerable." ... "jessie, sid 1.0.1f-1 vulnerable"
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23:53<somiaj>us`0gb: then read the next set of lines about the fixes.
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23:54<ncl>http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openssl/news/20140407T215106Z.html
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23:55<sugarpuff>so it sounds like stable and unstable > testing
23:55<sugarpuff>(in terms of security)
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23:55<SamB>sugarpuff: yup
23:55<sugarpuff>and it still sounds like this is right too: "so the way security fixes go for debian, it's stable (security) -> stable -> unstable -> testing?"
23:55<sugarpuff>at least for this bug
23:56<SamB>not really; the fix in stable looks to have been backported
23:56<somiaj>sugarpuff: I would see that as two seperate chains, as they are two different versions of pcakges being fixed.
23:56<centrx>sugarpuff, It is two different paths for the package. If that is a chronology, then in this case unstable is already patched too
23:57<sugarpuff>is it easier to downgrade to stable, or upgrade to unstable?
23:57<somiaj>sugarpuff: stable and oldstable get security fixes (if it effects them), sepertally the version in sid recives the fix and starts the normal path into testing.
23:57<sugarpuff>err, rather, easier/better?
23:57<ncl>I think trying to downgrade is on the list of things to "never ever do"
23:58<somiaj>sugarpuff: you could also install the fixed packages form unstable in testing if you want to just fix this one package in testing.
23:58<sugarpuff>ncl: that's what i figured…
23:58<centrx>sugarpuff, Downgrades are not supported, and upgrades are easy, so...
23:58<sugarpuff>somiaj: thanks, that sounds like the best option. how to do?
23:59<somiaj>sugarpuff: multiple ways, one is just add a sid repo to your list and pin it lower than 500 (the default) so it doesn't get used
23:59<SamB>sometimes it's reasonable to try downgrading *one* package, but don't ever try it with the whole distribution
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