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---Logopened Fri Apr 11 00:00:13 2014
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00:00<SamB>quentusrex: maybe you want to ask in #debian-mentors ...
00:00<quentusrex>SamB, I'm familiar with the -y flag to apt-get, but I've been curious if there is a way to automate on a 'server in the closet' how to abort a nightly dist-upgrade if there is going to be a blocking action that I don't want to assume was '-y'
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00:01<chealer>quentusrex: there are no actual changes to the package when they migrate (to testing for example)
00:02<SamB>yeah, the files don't even get copied or anything
00:02<themill>quentusrex: -y is an apt-get option; you may also get prompted by debconf or by dpkg during the package installation process.
00:02<quentusrex>SamB, I meant a logical copy, which I assumed would be a symlink.
00:03<quentusrex>themill, know if it's possible for dpkg to scan a list of packages, or check a package one by one to see if there will be a debconf prompt?
00:03<themill>if a package depends on debconf then you would know that it might prompt you; any package with a conffile might cause dpkg to prompt about that file -- you can't know that in advance
00:04<SamB>themill: hmm, don't you mostly only get prompted about conffiles when they're modified?
00:04<SamB>I'd think ucf would be trickier
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00:07<themill>SamB: yes (unless there are packaging bugs). I guess you could know which conffiles you've modified...
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02:00<phillipsjk>Assuming automatic updates can be enabled, when would they have happened to patch the heartbleed bug?
02:02<somiaj>the patch for wheezy was added to the security repo about 2 days ago
02:02*phillipsjk finally got into a server he was somewhat responsible for and found the VMs appear to be patched (but the VM host wasn't)
02:02<ncl>I think you'd still have to manually have to restart your services, maybe
02:03<phillipsjk>So, not April 6, then.
02:03<somiaj>the upgrade prompted you to restart them, but yea probabaly didn't do it automatically
02:04<JackOfMostTrades>For me, the upgrade didn't prompt me to restart apache. I still had to do that one manually.
02:04<phillipsjk>lets just say we failed the "fire drill" I have no idea who fixed the VMs.
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02:07<phillipsjk>Also learned that our proxmox subscription ran out. Was able to update from upstream ( and a mirror of the debian repos)
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02:32<somiaj>Hi, do you have a question about debian?
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02:43<Infiltrator>!tell buck -about ask
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03:02<omg123>hi guys, can i ask a few questions regarding a debian installation ?
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03:04<Infiltrator>!tell omg123 -about ask
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03:06<omg123>I am trying to backup a system which is installed on SD card - by backup i mean image so I can create a new SD in case it fails
03:07<omg123>there are 2 partitions on the SD the file system the file system which is ext4 , fair enough
03:07<omg123>and a partition named kernel which is vfat strangely
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03:08<omg123>the /boot directory in fs is empty so i am guessing it loads the kernel from that partition at boot time
03:08<omg123>should i just dd the two partitions and burn the image on a new card ?
03:08<omg123>will this make it bootable ?
03:09<Stummi>better dd the whole card
03:09<Stummi>(sdX instead of sdX1)
03:10<omg123>thanks alot for that
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03:11<Stummi>if you have a lot of free space on your card consider using the sparse option with dd for space efficiency
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03:12<omg123>i learn something new every time i join this channel ;) gonna read up a bit on this sparse option and make the image see what happens
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03:25<ncl>Stummi: if you use sparce, can you dd a partition with the output to a file on the same partition?
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03:52<Infiltrator>ncl: Not a good idea; because dd will hit its own output. Though theoretically I think that you could.
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03:55<ncl>blah, I confused how a tar and dd backup would work somehow, jeez
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03:58<Stummi>you shouldn't dd a mounted device at all, since this could render your image inconsistent
03:59<Infiltrator>Stummi: I did say that it was a bad idea. :P
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03:59<Infiltrator>Though you could still dd to an unmounted device anyway.
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06:02<bullgard4>Wheezy offers DEB program package openssl version 1.01e-2+deb7u6. What does mean the "+deb7u6" at the end?
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06:05<SynrG>this is of importance to maintainers, primarily. "a version# suffix that properly supports upgrades should we need to make changes later, either in this branch or in a later release"
06:06<SynrG>but 'deb7' you can guess :)
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06:06<SynrG>and 'u6' would just be the 6th version going into -updates i would guess
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06:07<SynrG>the "-2" means it's based on the 2nd revision of the packaging (i.e. the one that ultimately made it into the original wheezy release)
06:07<SynrG>suffixes thereafter are revisions to that revision
06:09<babilen>bullgard4: I can only hope that you will keep in mind what this channel (much like the one on Freenode) is for.
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06:40<bullgard4>SynrG: Thank you for explaining.
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06:57<Yoda-BZH>kolter: hi, you around ? I have a few questions about wkhtmltopdf
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06:59<ginko>most elegant way to update libreoffice (got some issues) to newest stable?
07:00<ginko>(and maybe keep it up to date in the future)
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07:01<somiaj>ginko: what is the newest upstream stable version?
07:01<somiaj>,v libreoffice
07:01<judd>Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.1.4-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.1.5-2; sid: 1:4.1.5-2+b1; experimental: 1:4.2.3~rc3-1
07:02<somiaj>on wheezy, you can get 4.1.4 from wheezy-backports if that is new enough for you with out to much work. If you need a newer version than that you will be in the world of complining it yourself.
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07:03<ginko>somiaj, oh i already got wheezy backports in my sources.list (just remembered)
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07:04<ginko>somiaj, "deb wheezy-backports main" this line, do i need to do sth to tell apt-get install to use it?
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07:04<somiaj>apt-get -t wheezy-backports libreoffice
07:04<somiaj>oops, that is install libreoffice
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07:05<ginko>somiaj, but that is what i want (maybe delete other first, but thanks!)
07:06<somiaj>ginko: that will upgrade your wheezy version to the newer version and int he process remove the old package. You shouldn't have to delete/remove the other first.
07:07<ginko>somiaj thank you, sorry for bugging (it just really annoyed me doing my academic work)
07:07<ginko>thank you very much
07:08<somiaj>ginko: once it is installed reguralr upgrades will keep it at the newest version in wheezy-backports. Note these packages are not tested nearly as much as normal debian packages, but are provided for cases like yours. (:
07:08<ginko>somiaj i know :) ty
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07:43<kolter>Yoda-BZH: tell me
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07:50<Yoda-BZH>kolter: i'm trying to activate the necessary stuff to actually run wkhtmltopdf without an X11 server
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07:51<Yoda-BZH>... with the package backported to wheezy
07:51<Yoda-BZH>do you think it's possible ?
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07:52<Yoda-BZH>with the -testing- package backported to wheezy
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08:05*cousin_luigi is trying to compile a custom kernel but there's a version mismatch with the changelog. What should I change if the error message is like this: ?
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08:36<scl>hi. after a crash my dpkg repo is broken. when trying to 'dpkg --configure -a' i get an error on parsing »/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000« near line 0: EOF after field name »« how can i repair the repo?
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08:59<freekkel>hi guys, i need help with my nvidia GT740M on Debian wheezy. Does anyone have experience with it ?
08:59<kolter>Yoda-BZH: You should take a look at /usr/share/doc/wkhtmltopdf/README.Debian
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09:01<Maulkin>freekkel: looks like may be useful for you
09:01<DosSantos91>Hi, I try to compile hv_vss_daemon.c from linux source tools directory, I installed linux-source-3.12 and linux-headers-3.12 but I can't compile the source file...I get a "linux/hyper.h" not found..I tried like this: cd /usr/src/linux-source-3.13/tools/hv/; gcc hv_vss_daemon.c -o hv_vss_daemon
09:02<DosSantos91>why gcc doesn't find linux/hyper.h
09:02<DosSantos91>the header file is located in /usr/src/linux-headers-3.12
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09:02<Yoda-BZH>kolter: yeah I already saw that, but I'm trying to use wkhtmltopdf without x11/xvfb
09:03<Yoda-BZH>so using the deactivated lib
09:03<freekkel>Maulkin: i looked at it, but the hint at coomon issues doesn't help
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09:04<granny>One of my friends suggested me to install Debian Jessie (testing) on my laptop. Is it okay or should I install only the stable release?
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09:05<freekkel>Maulkin: at the troubleshooting site there is just a tipp for Ubuntu users
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09:05<zykotick9>granny: installing stable, then transitioning to testing is the "proper" way to install testing anyways... best of luck.
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09:06<deZillium>granny, I'm running wheezy on mine, no problems with it, everything is ok. If you have a "newish" one, some stuff might now work properly and require testing for support
09:06<DosSantos91>how I can compile the tools in linux-source??
09:07<zykotick9>deZillium: using a backported kernel, will often get hardware support for stable
09:07<deZillium>true, but newer users don't have that experience, they prefer something that works out of the box
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09:08*zykotick9 doesn't think newer users should be using testing, but knows most disagree
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09:09<granny>zykotick9: I don't know how to do it. Do you have some useful links? Is configuration of apt involved?
09:10<deZillium>granny, have you tested stable and found out that something doesn't work?
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09:11<kolter>Yoda-BZH: not possible with the Debian package but you can re-compile the sources against the forked QT provided by the upstream developers: see User-agent: *
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09:12<zykotick9>!tell granny about wheezy->jessie
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09:13<zykotick9>granny: please also note that warning about lack of timely security support in testing
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09:14<DosSantos91>can someone help me to compile a source file from linux-source/tools ??
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09:16<granny>deZillium: I got some problems with the video card while using stable
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09:17<deZillium>what card and what problems
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09:21<granny>Mine is ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450. Fps was quite slow, for example watching streaming videos was quite uncomfortable
09:21<deZillium>granny, have you sudo apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree ?
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09:22<deZillium>that usually solves most problems with ATIs
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09:25<granny>deZillium: not yet, Does that package contain official drivers from amd?
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09:26<deZillium>no it's a package of various firmware blobs, not an official ati driver, but needed for proper operation
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09:27<granny>deZillium: okay. Thank you for helping
09:27<deZillium>granny, my pleasure
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09:28<freekkel>Hi guys, Im using debian wheezy and want to enable my GT740M Nvidia graphic card. the did not really help me "[ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver" and th conf display "KernelDriver=nouveau" any help is appreciated
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09:44<Yoda-BZH>kolter: ha, ow, it's needs *modified* qt libraries ... ok ...
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10:01<JK1>Hey. I installed Debian 7.4 with the i386 architecture on an IBM Thinkpad. But when I boot it, I only get a text interface. How do I get the graphical user interface?
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10:02<Brigo>JK1, did you install it?
10:03<JK1>Brigo: I went with default options I think
10:04<JK1>I don't know
10:04<Brigo>ok, is there a file /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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10:06<JK1>Brigo: Nope
10:06<Brigo>and is there any output from dpkg -l "*xorg*" ?
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10:07<JK1>No, there isn't
10:08<JK1>"no packages found matching *xorg*"
10:08<Brigo>so you have no installed graphic environment at all.
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10:08<Brigo>do you want to install gnome, kde, any other thing ...?
10:08<JK1>Should it exist on the installation media? It's a netinst.iso
10:09<Brigo>jk1, no it is too big.
10:09<JK1>Yes I would like to
10:09<Brigo>you need to install it from internet servers.
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10:10<Brigo>first configure the sources.lst if you have not did it.
10:10<JK1>Brigo: Ok, can I use an USB modem?
10:10<nikit>hello, any body can help me to install cmake?
10:10<Brigo>yes, you can but it will be very long time to download all the stuff ...
10:10<txt-file>nikit: aptitude install cmake
10:11<Brigo>nikit, apt-get install cmake
10:11<nikit>installed but i give this error
10:11<nikit>CMake Error: CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "Unix Makefiles". CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set. You probably need to select a different build tool.
10:11<Brigo>jk1 try this: apt-get update
10:11<JK1>Brigo: I think I'd need to configure the modem. How do I do that?
10:12<Brigo>nikit, try installing build-essecials.
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10:12<Brigo>JK1, let me see .. i done ti a long time ago ... :-m
10:12<nikit>Brigp, how? apt-get install build-essecials ?
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10:14<Brigo>nikit, i misspelled, sorry: apt-get install build-essential
10:14<Brigo>jk1 try to install pppconfig and run it.
10:15*cousin_luigi is trying to compile a custom kernel but there's a version mismatch with the changelog. What should I change if the error message is like this: ?
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10:15<nikit>thank you brigo
10:15<txt-file>JK1: do you have an other option to get internet access?
10:16<JK1>Brigo: I think I'd need the USB modem working in order to do that. :S
10:16<Brigo>nikit, np :)
10:16<Brigo>ah, so it dont works ...
10:16<Brigo>what modem is?
10:17<JK1>Huawei E153u-2
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10:19<Brigo>i need the pci id.
10:19<Brigo>ah, it usb, sorry
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10:20<JK1>txt-file: a wireless network card that uses the Personal Computer Card slot
10:20<JK1>maybe that would be easier
10:20<txt-file>then we would also first have to install the wireless packages
10:20<txt-file>but hopefully they are on the netinst cd
10:21<txt-file>give it a try
10:22<JK1>third option is to connect the ThinkPad to my second computer via ethernet and do something
10:22<txt-file>this sounds best
10:22<JK1>I'm using openSUSE on this one
10:23<txt-file>how is your second computer connected?
10:23<JK1>via USB modem
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10:24<Brigo>JK1, the problem with wifi should be the firmware.
10:24<Brigo>or you already has it configured.
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10:24<txt-file>Brigo: and wireless-tools and such packages (I think)
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10:24<Brigo>for usb modem try to install usb-modeswitch.
10:24<Brigo>txt-file, right.
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10:26<JK1>Now how do I provide Internet via the ethernet cable. Should I ask the openSUSE people?
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10:26<Brigo>JK1, i think the easy way will be the wireless approach.
10:26<houms>is there a specific package i need for spell checking to work in iceweasel?
10:26<Brigo>try to install wireless-tools first.
10:28<JK1>Brigo: Ok. How?
10:28<Brigo>any wireless extension detected?
10:29<JK1>command not found
10:30<Brigo> /sbin/iwconfig ?
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10:33<JK1>Brigo: bash: iwconfig: command not found
10:33<JK1>I did cd /sbin/ first
10:33<Brigo>did you install wireless-tools package?
10:34<Brigo>ah, you was asking how to install ti! i see it now.
10:34<Brigo>apt-get install wireless-tools
10:34<Brigo>and then iwconfig
10:34<JK1>Brigo: But I have no connection yet :D
10:35<Brigo>it should be in netistall.iso
10:35<nikit>can i install gnome 3.12 on debian 7.4?
10:35<txt-file>nikit: not from the repo
10:36<Brigo>nikit i dont think so, but may be with backport.
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10:36<nikit>what abous other gnomes? should be stably
10:36<houms>is there a specific package i need for spell checking to work in iceweasel?
10:36<houms>woops sorry didnt mean to post again
10:36<Brigo>if you run apt-get install wireless-tools, do it fails?
10:37<JK1>Brigo: It asks me to insert disc
10:37<JK1>I am using a USB install media
10:37<JK1>I plugged it in
10:37<txt-file>nikit: with wheezy you either have to stay with 3.4 or use compile it yourself or use a third party repo
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10:38<JK1>It keeps asking for Debian NETINST Binary-1 disc to "/media/cdrom/"
10:38<nikit>okay thank you txt-file
10:38<txt-file>nikit: you're welcome
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10:40<Brigo>JK1, try then get it for yurself: go into the usb stick and find pool/main/w/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_30~pre9-8_amd64.deb
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10:41<nikit>so how can i custmize gnome 3.4? :D
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10:41<nikit>i cant find good theme for this version
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10:42<JK1>Brigo: Actually I made it :) I mounted the USB flash drive to /media/cdrom and installed wireless-tools. iwconfig lists no wireless extensions.
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10:42<Brigo>so you need the firmware
10:42<Brigo>try lspci to check your wifi model
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10:44<txt-file>nikit: I think you will have more success in a gnome related chan
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10:44<JK1>Brigo: What do you mean with wifi model? Can't I just look at what's written on the wireless card? lspci printed out a lot of text.
10:44<txt-file>!tell nikit about gnome
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10:45<Brigo>jk1 run lspci and lscpi -n and paste it,
10:45<Brigo>!tell JK1 about paste
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10:47<JK1>Can I copy a console output easily?
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10:47<Brigo>did you have mouse support?
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10:48<JK1>Brigo: I can't use the mouse for anything
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10:49<JK1>at least it appears so to me because it's a console
10:49<Brigo>JK1, much better, paste the line about your wireless card output of lspci.
10:49<Brigo>JK1, you can get console mouse suport with gpm package installed.
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10:50<txt-file>you could use "lspci -nn" and then only typewrite the pci id from the wifi card
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10:52<nikit>gnome 3.12 is stably on debian wheezy?
10:52<JK1>Brigo: says that 'gpm' has no installation candidate
10:52<txt-file>Brigo: what against using a ethernet cable?
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10:52<Brigo>jk1, txt-file has right do than they has said! :)
10:53<txt-file>nikit: IMHO if 3.12 would be stable it would at least be in sid
10:53<JK1>Brigo: Okay then
10:53<Brigo>txt-file, and configure the other computer like a rooter?
10:54<txt-file>1. connect both computer by cable
10:54<Brigo>we can try.
10:55<JK1>txt-file: connected
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10:56<Brigo>now you need a ip in this computer: ifconfi eth0 up
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10:56<txt-file>run "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1" on your second computer and give the ethernet interface the
10:57<Brigo>for giving the ethernet interface the to the second computer: ifconfig up
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10:57<Brigo>(on the second computer, of couse) :)
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10:58<txt-file>one has to have the 1 and one has to have the 2
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10:59<JK1>txt-file: What do you mean with giving the ethernet interface "the"?
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10:59<JK1>oh I guess Brigo just told me
11:00<Brigo> ifconfig eth0 up
11:00<Brigo>i forgot eth0 :)
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11:01<JK1>It seems to be eno1 when I look at ifconfig
11:01<txt-file>then use eno1 instead of eth0
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11:02<JK1>Okay routing computer ready I guess
11:02<Mannequin>hi. From time to time (and it seems that it happens when using Chromium), my video-card begins to glitch and there is no return: I've to "shutdown -r" or manually reset the computer.
11:03<JK1>ThinkPad says that is unknown
11:03<Brigo>eno1 that is new for me :=
11:03<Mannequin>this seems to be a hardware issue, or maybe an issue between my video-card (an old ATI Radeon X700, an AGP card more than 10 years old) and Debian.
11:03<Brigo>JK1, try ping from first computer to the second: ping
11:03<txt-file>please tell us both ip's
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11:03<Mannequin>I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this issue, I'll appreciate any pointer.
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11:04<JK1>Brigo and txt-file I just made a typo, now it works with
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11:04<txt-file>very good
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11:06<txt-file>try "ping
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11:06<JK1>"Nwtwork is unreachable"
11:06<Brigo> very optimist :D
11:06<Brigo>you need sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
11:06<txt-file>Brigo: yeah …
11:07<Brigo>like txt-file told :)
11:07<JK1>"net.ipv4.ip_forward" must be of the form name=value
11:07<JK1>Without spaces it says
11:07<JK1>"net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1"
11:08<Brigo>sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
11:08<JK1>The output is just that
11:08<txt-file>sounds good to me
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11:08<Brigo>the output should be: net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
11:09<JK1>I'll try actually connecting to the wired network in this router
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11:09<JK1>Doesn't seem to work. I just thought that maybe it's because I disabled automatic connection some time ago
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11:10<Brigo>JK1, you need on more thing, at least:
11:10<txt-file>i think we need to open the firewall on your second computer
11:10<Brigo>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eno1 -j SNAT --to
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11:11<Brigo>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eno1 -j SNAT --to, sorry
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11:12<JK1>Brigo: done
11:12<JK1>still not working
11:12<Brigo>try ping
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11:12<JK1>I have a firewall in this, indeed
11:13<txt-file>what interface has your usb router an your second computer?
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11:14<JK1>txt-file: ppp0
11:14<txt-file>then the command should be "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE"
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11:15<txt-file>and as second command "iptables -A FORWARD -i eno1 -j ACCEPT"
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11:16<JK1>network still unreachable
11:16<txt-file>has your second pc the 2 or 1?
11:17<txt-file>run "route add default gw"
11:17<txt-file>or with the 2 at the end if your second pc has the 2
11:18<JK1>Ahh maybe they both have 2, I didn't make changes to the commands here
11:19<txt-file>they should have different IP addresses
11:20<JK1>routing computer doesn't seem to be connected to eno1
11:20<JK1>ThinkPad is (inet addr)
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11:22<JK1>maybe it is, I just looked at the Network Manager
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11:22<JK1>Now I got confused
11:22<txt-file>me too
11:23<Brigo>what ip in eno1?
11:23<JK1>I did ifconfig eno1 down, ifconfig eno1 up and the iptables again
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11:24<JK1>Brigo: inet addr:
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11:24<Brigo>JK1, ok, so i think the problem are the iptables rules.
11:24<Brigo>i think we need to clear them first.
11:25<JK1>routing computer
11:25<txt-file>and you can ping each other?
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11:26<Brigo>iptables -F ; iptables -t nat -F ; iptables -t mangle -F, if you like to clear firewall rules.
11:26<JK1>txt-file: ThinkPad pings fine
11:26<JK1>and vice versa
11:26<txt-file>good good
11:27<txt-file>then please paste the output from "route list"
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11:28<txt-file>and sadly I have to go in a few minutes but I think you will get this sorted out with Brigo
11:28<JK1>txt-file: which computer
11:29<txt-file>JK1: the debian machine
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11:29<JK1>Okay. inet inet6 ax25 netrom ipx ddp x25
11:30<JK1>default: inet
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11:31<JK1>otherwise that command just prints out usage instructions
11:31<JK1>and that list of possible address families
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11:31<Brigo>route -n and paste only the line with flag UG
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11:32<txt-file>sorry my bad … the command was wrong
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11:32<txt-file>also i'm off now
11:32<txt-file>good luck JK1 and Brigo
11:32<JK1>txt-file: Okay thank you for your help have a nice day!
11:32<Brigo>bye :)
11:33<JK1>Brigo: there is only one line and it has the flag U, the destination is and gateway and genmask
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11:33<Brigo>it should be enought
11:34<JK1>Metric 0 Ref 0 Use 0 Iface eth0
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11:34<Brigo>now, we need to clear the firewall rules like i told you.
11:34<Brigo> iptables -F ; iptables -t nat -F ; iptables -t mangle -F
11:34<JK1>oh right, sorry, did that now
11:35<Brigo>then iptables -S and check all default rules were ACCEPTED
11:35<JK1>They are.
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11:37<Brigo>so now try:"iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
11:37<Brigo>and try ping from debian box.
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11:38<JK1>Network is unreachable
11:39<Brigo>damn :)
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11:39<Brigo>do you have traceroute command?
11:40<JK1>One time I used the Network Manager in this routing computer to disable "Connect Automatically" in eno1 properties
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11:40<JK1>I'm just wondering whether that messed this up
11:40<JK1>Yes, I have traceroute
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11:41<Brigo>it could add some iptables rules, but we had clear them al now, there is only one.
11:42<Brigo>tr traceroute
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11:42<JK1>it says that network cannot be reached
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11:43<Brigo>may be wee need default gw?
11:43<JK1>said by "connect"
11:43<Brigo>route add default gw
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11:43<Brigo>and check it with route -n
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11:44<JK1>Now there is another line
11:44<JK1>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags UG Metric 0 Ref 0 Use 0 Iface eth0
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11:45<JK1>it pings but with 100 % packet loss
11:45<Brigo>and traceroute?
11:45<JK1>So I guess it doesn't ping :D but tries to
11:45<Brigo>yes, it pings, but get not response.
11:46<Brigo>replies, i mind.
11:46<Brigo>i mean.
11:46<JK1>Okay thanks for clearing that up
11:46<JK1>traceroute lists "* * *" 30 times
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11:46<Brigo>ok, so in the router:
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11:47<Brigo>is there anly line (route -n) with
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11:47<JK1>No there is not
11:47<JK1>there is Destination line
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11:48<Brigo>paste here. please.
11:49<JK1>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags U Metric 0 Ref 0 Use 0 Iface eno1
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11:49<Brigo>and from router you can ping
11:50<Brigo>and you can ping
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11:51<Brigo>please paste the output of iptables -S
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11:53<nikit>can i use unity icon taskbar on gnome?
11:53<Brigo>and the iptables line i told you to add??
11:53<Brigo>"iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
11:53<Brigo>without ", of course
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11:54<JK1>I wrote that and hit enter earlier
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11:55<Brigo>in router box?
11:55<Brigo>well, then i went with the wind :)
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11:57<Brigo>do it again, and check it with iptables -S after.
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12:01<JK1>Brigo: Nothing new appeared
12:01<Brigo>JK1, iptables -t nat -S ?
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12:11<JK1>Brigo: That has different output:
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12:12<Brigo>addi this one a try again: iptables -A FORWARD -d -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -i ppp0 -j ACCEPT
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12:13<JK1>Brigo: Done. ping and traceroute do nothing new
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12:14<Brigo>sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward
12:14<Brigo>net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
12:14<Brigo>i think.
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12:15<JK1>"net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1"
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12:15<JK1>Ping works
12:16<Brigo>what did you do from last try?
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12:16<JK1>The sysctl command
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12:17<Brigo>but you have done it ... didn you?
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12:18<JK1>The difference is the "-w" parametre I guess
12:18<Brigo>anyway, now you have internet connection, but no dns (i mean you can ping, for example)
12:18<Brigo>you need some dns servers.
12:18<Brigo>and you can copy them from /etc/resolv.conf in the router to /etc/resolv.conf in the debian box.
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12:19<JK1>Earlier I did "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1". Now I did "sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1". I don't know if that matters. Maybe I just needed to wait a moment after iptables or something?
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12:20<Brigo>you first did sysctl -w is write the 1 to the net.ipv4.ip_forward variable, the second, without -w is only read it, not modify.
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12:22<Brigo>anyway, copy the dns servers, now.
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12:28<JK1>Brigo: I copied resolv.cnf to an USB flash drive but how do I copy it from there in the ThinkPad? Or should do it in some other way?
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12:29<Brigo>well , i think in copy only the text, there are only few lines :)
12:30<JK1>There is no resolv.conf in ThinkPad
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12:32<JK1>with what command do I make a file Brigo
12:32<Brigo> do not the file exist?
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12:33<JK1>I did cd /etc/ and listed the files
12:33<JK1>there is no resolv.conf
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12:34<Brigo>you need an editor, did you use anyone?
12:34<Brigo>you can install it, nano should be yet installed.
12:34<Brigo>or if you have the file in the usb stick you can copy it from there.
12:35<JK1>Okay. I started nano
12:35<Brigo>the close it! :)
12:35<Brigo>start it like nano /etc/resolv.conf
12:35<Brigo>it will be easier :)
12:35<JK1>:D Okay
12:36<Brigo>but i don't know how to use it, sorry, i am a vi user :)
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12:37<JK1>I did it! Though resolv.conf still doesn't appear with command ls
12:38<JK1>Maybe I didn't do it
12:39<JK1>When I do nano /etc/resolv.conf again I get the file I wrote though
12:39<Brigo>well, it looks like you didnt.
12:39<Brigo>try to save it
12:41<JK1>I can ping
12:41<Brigo>so we got it.
12:41<Brigo>remember the changes are volatile, i mean if you reboot you will lost them.
12:42<JK1>So apt-get update now? or apt-get install xorg
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12:44<Brigo>no, the sources heat to the usb stick, we need to change it first.
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12:44<Brigo>try nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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12:45<JK1>file opened
12:45<Brigo>comment the lines starting with cd.
12:45<Brigo>and add something like:
12:45<JK1>"deb cdrom" I presume
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12:46<Brigo>well, yes :)
12:46<Brigo>deb wheezy main contrib non-free
12:46<Brigo>deb wheezy-backports main
12:46<Brigo>but not really important just now.
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12:48<JK1>Brigo: I just added those lines, they must work, right? And what do you mean is not important?
12:49<Brigo>the second one is for backports, for getting new versions of some packages like libreoffice, or iceweasel, not importar just now.
12:49<Brigo>now make apt-get update
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12:50<Brigo>it will update the available packages list.
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12:50<Brigo>and then you can start to install what you want.
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12:52<JK1>What's the package for Xfce
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12:53<JK1>I tried xfce but it was not found
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12:54<Brigo>JK1, for searching: apt-cache search xcfe
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12:54<Brigo>apt-get install xfce4
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12:57<JK1>Brigo: "release file for is expired" and package xfce4 not found
12:57<Brigo>?? fist time i see it.
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12:59<Brigo>JK1, is a problem with this repository, let change it:
12:59<blast007>advice from another user from some days back "You might want to try in lieu of"
12:59<Brigo>edit again /etc/apt/sources.list
13:00<Brigo>and change by
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13:02<Brigo>blast007, and do you know why?
13:02<JK1>Brigo: "release file for is expired (since 200d)" and package xfce4 not found
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13:03<Brigo>JK1, did you exec apt-get update?
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13:03<blast007>Brigo: "Advantages and other approaches"
13:04<Brigo>after changes servers in souces.list?
13:05<blast007>here's a thought - is the time and date on the computer set correctly?
13:05<JK1>I was actually thinking the same
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13:05<JK1>I was asked to set the date again this morning
13:05<JK1>by the BIOS
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13:05<blast007>time to replace the BIOS battery, it seems :)
13:06<Brigo>ah, ok :)
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13:06<JK1>Yeah. But I thought I input the correct date. What can I do without rebooting?
13:06<blast007>run the 'date' command and see if it is correct
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13:08<JK1>4th of November 2014 damn it. I think the BIOS uses some American date format...
13:08<blast007>the 'date' command can also set the date. read up in 'man date'
13:09<blast007>not sure if you need to su or sudo to set the time/date
13:09<JK1>this is why people should use a standard format
13:09<Brigo>chage it with date --date='2004-02-29 16:21:42', for example.
13:10<blast007>"The great thing about standards is that there's so many to choose from"
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13:10<Knorrie>standard are great! everyone should have their own!
13:11<JK1>Ha :D
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13:11<JK1>But ISO has only one answer for this: YYYY-MM-DD
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13:15<Brigo>JK1, did you fix the date problem?
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13:16<JK1>I'm trying to learn how to change the date
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13:16<JK1>Your command just prints the input
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13:18<JK1>Brigo: I did it with --set, Trying apt-get again
13:19<Brigo>ok, sorry.
13:20<JK1>It's downloading Xfce, I think it's going to work out now :)
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13:21<JK1>Thank you so much Brigo!
13:21<Brigo>how many time left?
13:22<JK1>12 minutes
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13:22<Brigo>JK1, and do you like to connect to internet next time you boot?
13:23<JK1>Yeah. I should install Network Manager or something I think
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13:23<JK1>What are the essential packages for a USB modem?
13:23<Brigo>not enough, you need to make changes persistents in server too.
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13:24<JK1>You mean the routing computer? I won't be using this ethernet setup again
13:24<JK1>Or actually maybe if there is some special need for it I will
13:25<Brigo>run apt-cache show usb-modeswitch-data
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13:38<nikit>im sorry, can i install icon task on gnome?
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13:40<Brigo>icon task?
13:42<somiaj>nikit: I think you mean an icon theme, I don't know if there are many in debian, but you can grab icon themese from say gnomelook and install them in your $HOME dir jsut fine
13:42<somiaj>provided the theme works on the version of gnome in debian, but I don't think that has changed much so I would expect it to
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13:43<nikit>somiaj: icon task in unity
13:43<somiaj>nikit: are you even running debian? In debian a task is not what you are describing and we don't have unity
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13:43<somiaj>though it does seem there are a few icon theme's packaged in debian you can apt-get install
13:44<nikit>somiaj: i have debian wheezy with gnome, i need install unity icon task, can i?
13:44*mtn wonders what a unity icon task is :P
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13:45<somiaj>what do you mean by unity icon task? And we don't have unity in debian wheezy
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13:47<JK1>Brigo: I installed Xfce and usb-modeswitch-data
13:47<Brigo>and the problem now is .....
13:48<JK1>Brigo: There is none at the moment. I'll reboot and see.
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13:55<Brigo>JK1, i must to go, bye and good look :)
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13:57<JK1>Brigo: Okay, thank you for your help!
13:57<JK1>you helped yet another computer convert from Microsoft Windows towards freedom
13:57<JK1>Xfce doesn't seem to have a network manager though x)
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13:58<somiaj>JK1: you can use network-manager if you want or use wicd
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13:58<somiaj>I'm not sure if any of those get installed by default with the xfce meta package/task
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14:13*cousin_luigi is trying to compile a custom kernel but there's a version mismatch with the changelog. What should I change if the error message is like this: ?
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14:54<txt-file>Brigo, JK1: is it working?
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14:56<ncl>So, why does libssl-dev have "missing functionality" on debian?
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15:00<deZillium>what's the correct setting for a dual stack localhost entry in /etc/hosts?
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15:07<Phyks>hi, I'm trying to setup a LVM on LUKS on a server (so SSH unlocking). Seems to work fine (dropbear is working at least), but my server is not booting after unlocking the disks. Then, I can ping but "connection refused" on ssh. Do you have any idea please ?
15:07<dondelelcaro>deZillium: dual stack? Do you mean ipv6 and ipv4?
15:08<deZillium>yes, default entries for debian give a postfix/smtpd warning: hostname localhost does not resolve to address ::1: No address associated with hostname
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15:09<deZillium> localhost and further down ::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
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15:09<The_Paco>yo sup. I'm running Wheezy 7.4 3.2.0-4-amd64, I'm mostly just a net surfer on this box, trying to find out what JRE I should be running. I have openjdk7 7u25-2.3.10-amd64 and icedtea-7-jre- 6b24-1.11.1-amd64. Is there a 'better' or more universal JVM/runtime I can try that maybe 'just works' better with more websites? Or do I need to delve into troubleshooting the exceptions this combo gives me?
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15:11<deZillium>although ping6 localhost
15:11<deZillium>PING localhost(localhost) 56 data bytes
15:11<deZillium>64 bytes from localhost: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.133 ms
15:12<JK1>txt-file: We got it connected and I installed Xfce
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15:13<csotelo>hi people
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15:14<csotelo>I was looking for search about how to install this driver ( sound ) Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller
15:14<csotelo>but nonoe answer on google
15:14<csotelo>all refered a mint and ubuntu
15:14<JK1>I'm now thinking of changing to Gnome because I guess it would be easier to use, txt-file
15:14<csotelo>and related a ppa:launchpad
15:15<csotelo>some one with this issue?
15:15<csotelo>please help me
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15:16<JK1>also, Xfce didn't include a network manager so currently I have no connection which I'm trying to work out, txt-file
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15:19<deZillium>JK1: sudo apt-get install xfce4-goodies should install the nmapplet, or network manager applet, which is what i'm using
15:19<blubberdiblub>JK1, network-manager-gnome works fine with xfce
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15:20<JK1>I got a connection again using previous knowledge
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15:21<deZillium>JK1: take a look at what I posted above, it will come in handy when you are on wifi
15:22<JK1>deZillium: Okay great, thanks
15:22<deZillium>don't remember if it auto enables it, right click the xfce bar and add it if it doesn't
15:22<deZillium>it's the network manager if i remember right, after installing xfce4-goodies
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15:24<deZillium>does localhost.localdomain localhost and then ::1 localhost6.localdomain localhost6 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback look correct for dual stack?
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15:27<JK1>I have now installed Wicd Network Manager. deZillium, I have no idea.
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15:27<deZillium>was directed at the general public =)
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15:29<JK1>deZillium: Oh, okay, good :D
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15:32<deZillium>actually on second thought, that doesn't look right. so why is postfix complaining then?
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15:36<MoonGNatRouth>I am confused. I configured a samba a long time ago and I'm seeing some folders in share now, But they not involved in smb.conf. Where they can be?
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15:37<somiaj>MoonGNatRouth: do you have an /etc/samba/smb.conf.d/ type directory with file snippets. Or maybe some file manager that is setting up its own shares and storeing the configs elsewhere
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15:41<MoonGNatRouth>/etc/samba/smb.conf.d/ - doesn't exist. I have nautilus, but nor any share setting are setted.
15:41<child>Why can I connect on localhost 25 port SMTP and by external machine I get connection time out if I don't use firewall on server?
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15:42<MoonGNatRouth>somiaj, /etc/samba/smb.conf.d/ - doesn't exist. I have nautilus, but no share setting are setted.
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15:43<MoonGNatRouth>somiaj, no setting on those folders.
15:43<somiaj>MoonGNatRouth: google suggests you look at /var/lib/samba/usershares
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15:44<MoonGNatRouth>somiaj, this is it! thx!
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15:47<child>Why can I not connect to SMTP 25 outside server?
15:48<abrotman>child: from where to where?
15:48<child>Any client to server webmail
15:49<child>And if I do inside server it works
15:49<child>Server has no firewall
15:50<somiaj>child: are you on some network that doesn't allow that?
15:51<somiaj>It isn't uncommon for that port to be blocked by an isp
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15:52<child>No I'm on a computer direct connected to modem
15:52<child>And on my phone also it doesn't work
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15:55<child>Any help will be very much appreciated
15:57<JK2>I can't seem to be able to edit connections with network-manager-gnome in Xfce
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15:59<somiaj>JK2: what do you mean? Do you see the interface even available to you via networ-manager? Do you also have the interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
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16:01<blast007>child: your ISP may block access to port 25
16:01<deZillium>JK2: don't know if this is relevant, but is there an option to unlock editing? maybe it needs root access for it
16:01<JK2>I'm trying to set up a USB modem. I give it all the information it requires, like country and network provider, but I cannot save this information.
16:02<child>But look, if I use roundcube it works fine
16:03<JK2>I'm not sure if I have it configured there, somiaj. I haven't consciously done that.
16:03<child>The problem is if I try some other program to manage it
16:03<child>Just IMAP works
16:04<somiaj>child: when you are using roundcube (this is some websoftware emailer) you are actually telling the server to send the email, when you are on your home modem you are trying to send smtp request to the server though your isp network. many isp networks force you you to use their smtp server
16:04<JK2>deZillium: Cannot find one
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16:04<somiaj>child: you can most likely use their smtp server to send emails for your actual email address
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16:06<bix_nood>Hello, anyone willing to help a newfriend?
16:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:07<bix_nood>Okay okay okay.
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16:07<bix_nood>I have a problem with SD cards after i did an update from Stable to Testing.
16:07<bix_nood>Whenever i plug it, it tells me to use root.
16:07<child>somiaj: got it, and for example using k-9 email app at the same conf it don't connect to SMTP also
16:08<bix_nood>Like it was locked by hardware, but i checked with two microSD-to-SD adapter, it's not the hardware issue.
16:08<bix_nood>Yeah i can't modify my files without root access.
16:09<somiaj>bix_nood: what kinda of file system is on the SD card -- here it sounds like your automounter is buggy, again testing may have bugs like this. (:
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16:09<bix_nood>It used to be fat32, re-formatted it using Gparted to fat32 again.
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16:09<bix_nood>Still fuken nufin m8 :<
16:09<JK2>I managed to configure my USB modem. I had to log out of Xfce and start it again as root.
16:10<blast007>JK2: start what again as root?
16:10<JK2>blast007: Xfce
16:10<somiaj>bix_nood: also you should really be asking testing questions in #debian-next, but vfat (Fat32) filesystems do not have user permissions they have to be mimiced. if you are mounting from the command line do it as 'mount /dev/sd?? /sd_mountpoint -o uid=username,gid=groupname'
16:10<blast007>don't run X as root...
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16:11<somiaj>JK2: sounds like your user needs to be configured to have the permisions to manage the network devices via network-manager. It is possible just not sure how of the top of my head
16:11<bix_nood>somiaj: Woah woah woah no, i'm not THAT advanced user. I'm talking about auto mount when SD is plugged.
16:11<JK2>blast007: Oh. Setting up my connection didn't work otherwise. Maybe I can now log out and log in as normal user?
16:11<bix_nood>But thanks, i'm going to ask debian-next :)
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16:12<somiaj>bix_nood: then you probably shouldn't be using testing. What I'm saying is your automounter is some how buggy and not mounting it with the correct user options. I was saying how you could manually do it
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16:12<bix_nood>somiaj: Yeah i gotta agree with you. Still don't know if downgrading to Wheezy is a good idea.
16:12<somiaj>bix_nood: it is not supported, you would have to reinstall at this point
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16:13<JK2>somiaj: Allright. I didn't think preparing Debian was going to be this complicated :D
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16:13<somiaj>JK2: there is a lot of freedom debian gives you, the one draw back is it takes a lot more to configure than the more automatic variantes, but it is well worth it
16:13<somiaj>JK2: note it could be something strange about your paticular setup, many things do setup fairly automatically but not always.
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16:14<bix_nood>somiaj: I understand this :). Can i do this without deleting my /home partition?
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16:14<somiaj>bix_nood: yes you can
16:14<bix_nood>And preferably without touching my Win8.1 partition? It would be a mess to install this crap again.
16:14<bix_nood>Okay friend, you're very helpful. One more question.
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16:15<vook>How can I configure which user receives system mail (such as logwatch, cron reports, etc.) It appears to go to the user I defined at install, but that user has since been deleted.
16:15<somiaj>bix_nood: if you have multiple partitions you can tell the installer to only install to the main root partition and then tell it to mouht the current home partition with out messing with it and leave the windows 8.1 partition alone
16:15<somiaj>bix_nood: the only real catch I can think of is making sure the bootloader and everything all works so your dualboot setup is working
16:16<bix_nood>Dist-upgrade dun goofed grub, got it fixed with Boot-Repair disk but it left few unnecessary options to choose in GRUB
16:16<somiaj>vook: I'm sure you can dpkg-reconfigure the package that configures that, let me see if I can figure out which it is
16:16<bix_nood>Like 4x "memtest something" and second Windows bootloader.
16:16<bix_nood>How do i get rid of it?
16:16<somiaj>bix_nood: yea you may have to clean up the bootloader again in this process. Again if you want to learn new things and have fun, testing can do that for you, or just frustrate you (:
16:17<somiaj>bix_nood: update-grub should update the current boot options
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16:17<JK2>somiaj: I understand but still a bit disappointed because automation doesn't necessarily restrict freedom
16:17<bix_nood>Thankfully i'm not doing anything important on this laptop, so nothing besides few not-entirealy-legal movies would be lost.
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16:18<bix_nood>I updated to jessie pretty much for XFCE 4.10.
16:18<bix_nood>Just to see it's buggy as hell.
16:19<bix_nood>Thanks somiaj once again, have a good night/day depends on what hemisphere you are.
16:19<bix_nood>good bye :)
16:19<somiaj>JK2: it doesn't but with so much choice it makes it a lot harder to ensure it works every time
16:20<JK2>That is unfortunate
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16:20<somiaj>vook: if you just have the default mail exim4 installed, try 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-configure' will ask you a bunch of questions, the last one will be who is the postmaster email accounts
16:21<somiaj>JK2: yea and I have little experience with any of that myself, I avoid all the automatic stuff and don't even use a major DE
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16:22<vook>ok, I'll try
16:22<somiaj>vook: or you could look though the exim4 config files and configure it by hand and restart the server
16:22<JK2>somiaj: What is a DE?
16:22<somiaj>JK2: desktop enviorment, you are uing xfce4 (:
16:23<vook>somiaj: hmm, it asked me several questions, but not that one.
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16:24<somiaj>vook: the very last question is asked me was the names of the postmaster, I just tried it
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16:25<vook>somiaj: well, I don't have the package 'exim4-configure', only 'exim4-config' (on both wheezy and jessie systems). I'll grep /etc/ for postmaster.
16:26<somiaj>vook: oh yea that is it, sorry my typo
16:27<somiaj>vook: these are the questions it asks me mail server type (I am using local); system name; system address to listen on; some other stuff and finally 'Root and postmaster mail recipient'
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16:28<JK2>I'm taking a break.
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16:29<vook>somiaj: weird - after the "split configuration into small files" screen, it closes down here.
16:29<somiaj>vook: yea I have one more question after that, I'm using wheezy
16:30<vook>I've got a wheezy and jessie host - both no mention of postmaster. Eh well, I'll wait and see - I made a few changes in /etc/aliases.
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16:47<rostam>Hi how could I enable logging for tftp-hpa? thx
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16:56<vook>in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa you can add --verbose to TFTP_OPTIONS. In a default install, logging is setup by default (I see entries in secure and messages)
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16:56<vook>nm, just messages
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17:01<child>I have problems with my SMTP server and nmaping it I got smtp25 filtered
17:01<child>What's filtering that port?
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17:03<child>somiaj you said my ISP blocking 25 cnx it may be on server?
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17:08<child>Is there a way to exchange the 25 SMTP port for another one like 587
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17:13<vook>child: you can run smtp on any port you like, but clients will need to know about it, and relaying on a wide scale will be impractical
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17:13<child>How can I change?
17:14<child>vook the for answering
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17:17<Marillion>child: if you are asking where can do change anything, yo will NOT to carry on a mailserver
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17:19<vook>look for SMTPLISTENEROPTIONS='' in /etc/default/exim -
17:21<vook>child: it could be that your ISP was filtering it - I've had ISP's do that in the past.
17:22<vook>the last thing a consumer ISP wants is for users to be running an smtp server.
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17:24<child>Its the ISP on server
17:24<child>The data center on server where the machine is located are filtering 25 port
17:25<child>I changed to 587 now
17:25<child>And it answer
17:25<vook>ya, they probably want you to pay more for that port to be open.
17:25<child>But I realized the saslauthd is not working properly
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17:27<child>Yes or may they just worried about spam
17:27<vook>that too
17:27<child>Now my issue is saslauth
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17:29<Marillion>child: this principal called -fqdn, most ISP blocked this
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17:30<Marillion>child: if you have NOT a validate Domain Name
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17:33<bewn>hi, i'm running sid, did a package update and now network-manager is not setting up eth0 (internet sharing) is there any known issue/fix?
17:34<Marillion>bewn: BTS is your friend
17:34<vook>sid generally is considered "a known issue" - it is known to be unstable
17:35<bewn>Marillion: yeah, been searching but i can't find anything relevant thus my asking
17:35<child>Marillion yes but its okay
17:35<Marillion>bewn: unless ahve not report anything, or you find a new one
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17:38<Marillion>bewn: but, you would like a working system, use stable *scnr*
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17:41<bewn>Marillion: thanks for the cliches but that's not helping, might as well just recomend dumping nm and go with manual device setup :\
17:41<vook>I think there is a debian unstable channel
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17:42<vook>yes, #debian-next
17:42<vook>it's genuinely OT here
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17:43<vook>emacstutorial: you need a forward slash before you type thos commands
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17:44<Marillion>bewn: what have you expected? in a stable support channel?
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17:47<dondelelcaro>vook: it's OK to discuss unstable here too
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17:48<bewn>Marillion: any up to date info not yet available/indexed by a public search engine, my bad for expecting the presence of other fellow debian users on a debian user channel (even if one for stable releases)
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17:48<Marillion>dondelelcaro: in all points? ok, then i misunderstand the topic ;)
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17:49<dondelelcaro>you just might get more help there than here
17:49<vook>dondelelcaro: ah, ok.
17:49<dondelelcaro>bewn: just search google with
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18:05<anna>I installed a fresh Debian wheezy amd64 system
18:06<anna>How can i execute a 32bit executable?
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18:07<SyynrG>anna: it depends. Is it in a Debian package?
18:07<anna>Syynrg: I installed playonlinux
18:07<anna>I cannot execute wine
18:08<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
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18:08<SyynrG>Do that
18:09<anna>SynnrG: I need multiarch enabled just to execute a 32-bit executable?
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18:10<SyynrG>anna: it's not hard …
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18:10<anna>Syynrg: I enabled multiarch
18:10<anna>SyynrG: And I did run apt-get update
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18:11<SyynrG>anna: and?
18:12<anna>I use playonlinux to download wine
18:12<anna>/home/anna/.../wine/1.7.15/bin/wine is not executable
18:12<SyynrG>probably that is your problem
18:12<Marillion>anna: why do NOT use wine from debian?
18:12<anna>yes, i think so
18:13<SyynrG>That's why i asked if the program was from a Debian package. It is not.
18:13<anna>Marillion: I am installing wine from debian, now
18:14<anna>SyynrG: Now the wine command works...
18:14<SyynrG>Progress :-)
18:14<anna>SyynrG: /home/anna/.../wine/1.7.15/bin/wine - What is the reason, that this command works now?
18:15<anna>There must be some sort of kernel driver?
18:15<somiaj>child: there is a SMTPS (secure) port and most isp do not block that one by default, but maybe your ip does
18:15<SyynrG>It satisfied 32 bit dependencies from the archive?
18:15<vook>I thought POL (and cedega, winex, cxoffice, etc.) patched up wine quite a bit to make it work (more) seemlessly with certain titles.
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18:16<anna>SyynrG: /home/anna/.../wine/1.7.15/bin/wine showed the error "bash: ./wine: File or Directory not found"
18:17<somiaj>child: and again my guess is not the datacetner is filtering that port, if it is a datacenter for servers I think you can configure to open it. I was saying it is your home isp that is filtering it.
18:17<anna>SyynrG: This was just a Dependecy-Problem?
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18:17<Marillion>anna: you don't need them, the kernel emulate 32Bit executables
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18:19<Anuska>Hi, i install apache2 in a new debian
18:19<Marillion>anna: yes, /home/anna/.../wine/1.7.15/bin/wine is NOT a validate execute Dir of you your own system
18:19<Anuska>i copy the website from usb in /var/www
18:19<Anuska>but i have a problem with the permission of file/folder
18:19<Anuska>how i fix that?
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18:20<somiaj>Anuska: chown can change ownership, chmod can change permissions
18:20<Anuska>yes i change
18:20<anna>Marillon: /home/anna/.../wine/1.7.15/bin/wine - Sure it is a valid executable file
18:20<Anuska>somiaj, need to be root or www-data?
18:20<Marillion>anna: but NOT for your shell
18:20<anna>Marillon: /home/anna/.../wine/1.7.15/bin/wine - I installed multiarch, and now i may execute the command
18:20<anna>Marillon: Why not for my shell?
18:21<Marillion>anna: it is so configured by default
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18:21<vook>dependancies exist regardless of kernel emulation. Appropriate 32-bit libraries are still necessary.
18:21<somiaj> <-- my instructions for building a custom wine package on a debian wheezy system, even works for the 1.7.x branch. Though this won't have the playonlinux advantage of having multiple versions of wine installed
18:21<somiaj>Anuska: root.www-data I think is the default, you dont' want www-data to have write access, but they should be able to read the files.
18:21<somiaj>Anuska: root.root will work if you have it set up so 'everyone' can read the files
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18:22<anna>Syynrg, vook, somiaj, Marillon: Thankyou for your help
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18:22<Anuska>let me see
18:23<somiaj>Anuska: was it a fat32 usb drive? That mangles permissions fairly baddly, making directories 755 and files 644 should work
18:23<Anuska>is a 2tb hdd external
18:23<Anuska>is ntfs
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18:24<somiaj>ntfs is the same issue, it doens't have linux permissions so they are mimiced when mounted and depending on how you mount it depends on what they are
18:24<somiaj>so yea, you'll just have to fix them with chmod and chown
18:24<Anuska>and the folder: drwxrwxr-x 16 root www-data 4.0K Dec 21 00:02 webmail
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18:27<somiaj>Anuska: you have to start at the top, start with ls -ld /var/www, then ls -l /var/www -- make sure at each level everyone or www-data can read the files
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19:53<acecile__>I have a little issue and it seems no one as ever wrote any documentation about this case...
19:53<acecile__>I really want to get rid of systemd
19:54<acecile__>but prerm script tell me systemd is in use and ask me to switch to another init system first
19:54<acecile__>but I have sysv installed
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19:54<acecile__>no specific parameters on kernel command line
19:54<acecile__>and I have absolutly no idea about the right way to boot using the good old working init system
19:54<acecile__>any hint ?
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20:02<devil>acecile__: init=/sbin/init.sysvinit
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20:03<acecile__>devil I don't have this file -_-'
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20:04<devil>acecile__: put that in your /etc/default/grub and run update grub, then reboot
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20:09<somiaj>also /sbin/init the default that is run by grub is a link, point that link to the correct init command (:
20:09<acecile__>"/sbin/init is from sysv package
20:09<acecile__>if I add init=/sbin/init to my kernel command line
20:10<acecile__>booting fails
20:10<acecile__>and still talk about systemd
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20:11<acecile__>md5sum of /sbin/init checked with a clean machine (which never had systemd installed)
20:11<acecile__>same checksum
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20:13<acecile__>ok, well, I'm going to force dpkg to remove systemd
20:14<acecile__>despire the prerm scripts ask me to not do so
20:14<acecile__>I'm probably going to break anything but I won't leave one more day with systemd on my desktop
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20:15<somiaj>acecile__: if you are gonna go that route, why not boot up off a recover or live image, and do that inside a chroot
20:15<somiaj>acecile__: that way what you are replacing isn't actually running
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20:16<somiaj>acecile__: did you try devil advise about pointing to the actual sysvinit binary (not just /sbin/init)
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20:18<acecile__>i don't have any /sbin/init.sysv
20:18<acecile__>and my /sbin/init comes from sysv package, not systemd
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20:20<Arrowmaster`>if you reinstall the package that provides the sysv init command it should work
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20:21<Arrowmaster>acecile__: install sysvinit-core
20:21<acecile__>already installed
20:21<acecile__>it has always been in fact
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20:22<Arrowmaster>then how did you install systemd-sysv?
20:22<acecile__>but well, I fixed systemd prerm script to remove the check
20:22<acecile__>so dpkg allowed me to remove this malware
20:22<Arrowmaster>now youre just trolling
20:22<acecile__>and now it boots again with sysv :)
20:23<acecile__>it gets stuck but I should be able to figure out what's wrong easily
20:23<Arrowmaster>sysvinit-core and systemd-sysv are setup so you cant install them both at the same time, to install one the other gets removed
20:24<acecile__>systemd-sysv was uninstalled
20:24<acecile__>I have no specific kernel command line parameter
20:24<acecile__>but systemd was still booting the system
20:24<acecile__>sbin/init was the one from sysv package
20:24<Arrowmaster>thats impossible
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20:24<acecile__>well :D
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20:25<acecile__>debsums and /proc/cmdline can't lie...
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20:25<Arrowmaster>and it was the init from the sysvinit-core package right?
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20:29<Arrowmaster>my best guess then is something when wrong when you tried to switch, the proper way should just be to try to install sysvinit-core and it will automatically remove systemd-sysv and youll have sysvinit on next boot
20:29<acecile__>I was an early tester
20:29<acecile__>so maybe I installed a broken package a long time ago
20:30<Arrowmaster>well at one point the sysvinit-core package didnt exist and you could not remove the sysvinit /sbin/init because the package was marked essential so you had to do some work arounds
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20:58<rostam>HI I have a debian system with two network interface, eth0 connected to cloud, eth1 connected to private network with IP address From devices connected to eth1 I like to access outside world through eth0. What should i do? thx
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21:11<Guest6201>I was just playing around with clamav "I know it's for windows threats" but when I ran a recursive scan on the file system a threat came up "/usr/bin/rkhunter. Osx.Worm.Inqtana-3"
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21:12<Guest6201>I downloaded pidgin and telnet-ssl from the debian repo and two ebooks in programming. Ran a clamscan on the two Ebola and came up clean what is this
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21:15<Guest6201>Oh and I done a system update today if any of that helps. Can anyone tell me what it may be do I need to worry about it ? I know clam is for windows threats but I also know that some tools
21:15<Guest6201>Can register as a treat so I am wondering if it could have picked up on something
21:16<rostam>Nemoder, thanks
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21:31<Vegar>Hello. Couldn't get internet while installing (netinst), so i installed without it. Now, after adding mirrors to /etc/apt/sources.list i have incomplete results for apt-get. Example: 'apt-cache search vim' only gives me 'vim-tiny' and 'vim-common'. I've never installed without internet before so I've never encountered this. Any hints?
21:32<abrotman>dpkg: tell Vegar about wheezy sources.list
21:32<somiaj>Vegar: after you read that factoid if you would like you can put a copy of your sources.list at and we could double check it for you
21:33<Vegar>My sources.list looks almost exactly the same as all my other debian installs
21:33<Vegar>somiaj: sure
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21:39<Vegar>somiaj: Hmm, I'm om testing. Should I change to another channel?
21:40<Brigo>Vegar, #debian-next
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21:49<metz>Hi, I need a little bit of help installing debian from a USB drive, is anyone able to help and point me in the right direction?
21:49<somiaj>Vegar: yea, but I woudl have still looked at the sources.list file
21:50<somiaj>!tell metz about usb install
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21:59<metz>Thanks somiaj Win32 disk imager is what I was after, able to boot now
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23:05<Liquid>I had a dir In my home folder called programs and I was learning c programming and makeing a program called age.c and I typed in the terminal in the program dir rm -r age.c ~ and it deleted
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23:05<Liquid>Everything in my home dir and else where why?
23:05<somiaj>~ means home dir in bash
23:05<somiaj>notice the space
23:05<somiaj>age.c~ is a file, age.c ~ means delate the age.c file and the ~ file which = $HOME in bash
23:07<Liquid>So I need to reinstall my whole operating system? Or just create a new account
23:07<somiaj>just remake your home dir
23:07<somiaj>the biggest issue is you lost all your personal data, hope you had a backup
23:07<somiaj>you may have to reconfigure all your software too
23:07<somiaj>mkdir /home/username and from there everything will work (minus you deleted the personal data)
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23:08<somiaj>if you really want to try to get it back, shut down the system boot up on a live cd and run some datarecovery tool and hope you get stuff back
23:08<Liquid>If I was to just delete that user and create another would I still have to reconfigure all the software?
23:08<somiaj>Well you will get the defaults either way
23:08<somiaj>so if you hav changed he defaults you will have to repeate that
23:08<Liquid>Was this a system wide deletion or just for that user?
23:08<somiaj>a user will not have primsions to delete the syste
23:09<somiaj>you just deleted that users data and nothing more
23:09<somiaj>well I should a use *should* not have permissions to delete everything, by default it won't unless you are silly enough to run things as root
23:09<Liquid>That user was a sudo user but I did not for the sudo command
23:10<somiaj>yea unless you ran sudo you cant delete anything vital
23:10<Liquid>No I didn't run sudo
23:10<Liquid>Not that dumb lol
23:11<somiaj>were you trying to delete an emacs backup file? I don't like that they use ~, but that is just me. (:
23:11<Liquid>I am only dumb enough to type a space where it isn't needed lol
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23:11<somiaj>Liquid: the biggest mistake was the -r there
23:11<somiaj>Liquid: if you didn't have that you would have been fine
23:12<somiaj>you only need recursive if you are taking out a directory tree, for a single file do not use it
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