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00:45<converge>how much swap for a host that will run 5 vm's ?
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00:49<dualbus>converge: I guess you couldn't make it more ambiguous :)
00:50<dualbus>5 vms of what, with what virtualizator, what kind of guest operating systems, what amount of ram in the host system, ...
00:50<converge>wish to begin the conversation
00:50<dualbus>and also, the response is usually: find out what number works. There's no rule that dictates the amount of swap for a 5 vm environment
00:50<converge>guests are debian, running openerp, postgresql, samba, mysql, apache
00:51<dualbus>converge: and why don't you do it, and then find out what works better? with numbers? instead of having you guess for you, which is the same we're going to do anyways.
00:52<dualbus>*having we
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02:35<medeman>Hello there, I have a little problem. I "just" finished installing Debian 7.4 amd64 on my net/notebook (Acer Aspire One 756) and so far I got most of the things working just fine. However, while my touchpad is detected (two-finger scrolling works for example), I can't figure out how to configure right-click (the trackpad only has one physical button and usually you would click with two fingers to trigger a right-click)
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02:47<ncl>bah, I just was messing around in synclient and found an answer for medeman
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03:06<magyar>hi, how can I get flash working in jessie?
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03:17<devil>magyar: by installing flashplugin non-free
03:17<magyar>devil: I did, but no cigar :(
03:17<devil>where? with what?
03:18<magyar>devil: aptitude
03:18<devil>what is the problem?
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03:19<magyar>devil: no sound from you tube and eventually I get the error
03:19<devil>but vids play?
03:19<devil>and the error is?
03:20<magyar>"An error occured, please try later"
03:20<devil>that does not point to flash not working
03:21<magyar>this is from the main page of youtube, clicking on south park link
03:21<devil>but vids play?
03:21<slush>thats a youtube error
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03:21<magyar>hmm, true, I tried different browsers, iceweasel, chromium, konqueror
03:22<magyar>seem to work before the reboot
03:22<devil>it has nothing to do with you rebooting or not
03:23<magyar>I had to reboot, as I was not able to get sane working with my HP all in one.
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03:23<slush>not to getting side-tracked, have you tried other video sites?
03:23<magyar>now I'm able to scan, but flash is dead :)
03:24<magyar>slush: sure did, even some pron sites, but same result
03:25<devil>dpkg -l | grep flash
03:25<dpkg>ii | grep flash 1.7-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
03:25<devil>grr :)
03:26<devil>magyar: what does that say for you?
03:26<magyar>devil: >>
03:27<magyar>sol so far
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03:31<ryonaloli_>for imageboard software, what's the best filesystem to use that supports the +s attribute (overwrite with 0s on unlink) that would be good for many images?
03:31<ryonaloli_>i can't use ext4 because of the lack of +s support, so i'm thinking maybe btrfs? reiserfs also looks good for many smaller files (though not reiser4, because kernel 3.2 doesn't support it), but i dont' know
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03:59<metz>Hi, I have just completed a clean install of debian 7.1 and need a handle installing non-free fireware, is anyone able to help?
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04:00<metz>need a hand, not a handle
04:00<babilen>metz: What's your problem?
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04:02<metz>babilen: When I went through the install I got prompted for non-free fireware for iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode and so on and another for rtl-nic/rtl8168d-1.fw, I didn't have the drivers at the time so I continued on with the install but I would like to install the firmware now
04:03<metz>is there an easy way to figure out what firmware I am missing and need to install?
04:03<babilen>metz: Okay, are you connected to the internet?
04:03<metz>babilen: no, I am on another machine at the moment
04:04<babilen>metz: And the machine you installed on is not connected because it is missing firmware for both your ethernet card and the wireless adaptor?
04:04<babilen>And you also weren't connected during the installation?
04:04<metz>babilen: correct
04:04<babilen>dpkg: tell metz -about firmware image
04:04<babilen>dpkg: tell metz -about installer firmware
04:05<babilen>metz: You can use an installer with firmware for the next time, but that won't be necessary now as you should be able to install the necessary firmware packages manually just fine.
04:05<babilen>metz: Did you install a desktop environment already?
04:06<metz>babilen: yes I have Gnome installed
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04:06<babilen>metz: For the firmware: Download and and install them manually with "dpkg -i /path/to/the/deb/on/your/usb/firmware-*.deb" and then either reboot or reload the respective modules
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04:09<babilen>metz: For wifi that would be "modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi" and for the realtek card it would be "modprobe -r r8169 ; modprobe r8169" -- I would then recommend to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and make it look exactly like: and run "apt-get update" to activate the changes
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04:10<babilen>metz: You should have network manager in Gnome that hopefully manages both interfaces. If they are greyed out you can edit /etc/network/interfaces and remove the "iface eth0 ..", "iface wlan0 ..." and "auto eth0" and "auto wlan0" stanzas in there and restart network-manager with "service network-manager restart"
04:11<babilen>metz: You see that you could have saved yourself some work by using the installer with firmware, but generally speaking you should be fine after installing those firmware packages and a reboot.
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04:12<met21e>babilean: thanks
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04:12<met21e>babilen: whilst you're on a roll do you use Gnome?
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04:14<babilen>met21e: No, I don't. I use a window manager called awesome, but use a lot of Gnome programs for various things.
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04:15<met21e>babilen: thanks anyway. I have a question as to why my clean install gnome looks different to one I am running in a VM yet the version numbers are the same
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04:16<babilen>met21e: Different how?
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04:16<babilen>met21e: I *guess* that you are using a radeon card and that you also need firmware for that one and that you are currently using Gnome in fallback mode .. for that install firmware-linux-nonfree and restart
04:17<met21e>babilen: the new install just has "Activities" in the top left but the VM has "Applications" and "Places".
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04:18<met21e>babilen: When I hit "Activites" in the clean install I get a whole screen popup but on the VM I just get something like a dropdown list
04:18<babilen>met21e: vs ?
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04:20<met21e>babilen: yep that looks like them. I can tell from the link's one if the fedora fallback mode but do you know why?
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04:23<babilen>It's typically because the GPU does not support the 3d hardware acceleration that is necessary for gnome 3
04:24<met21e>babilen: ok that makes sense because the one that is in fallback is running in a VM
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04:25<babilen>To figure out why that is requires a look at the particular GPU in question and the drivers used by it. Radeon GPUs, for example, require the installation of the aforementioned firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri
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04:25<babilen>dpkg: tell met21e about iwlwifi
04:25<babilen>dpkg: tell met21e about r8169
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04:26<babilen>met21e: Those two factoids also contain links to the wiki pages that should contain the information I just mentioned in a less terse form :)
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04:27<met21e>babilen: yep thanks I'm reading them now
04:28<babilen>met21e: Is there anything else I can do for you now?
04:28<met21e>babilen: Nope, I should be right for a while. Thanks
04:28<babilen>Wonderful, all the best and may you have a nice day!
04:28<met21e>babilen: thanks, you too
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04:49<tuv>since yesterday, every time i close the laptop lid (running jessie), the network is shutdown. after opening the lid, network-manager says 'networking disabled'. i have to restart network-manager to get it to work again
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04:50<tuv>how do i prevent closing the lid from doing anything to networking or network-manager? i'd like to keep the machine up, awake, and connected when the lid is closed
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05:24<tuv>this seems relevant:
05:24<tuv>no solution though
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06:01<_Alex>Hi. I plugged in my webcam and it was automatically recognized. The webcam camera works fine, but the mic, although recognized, doesn't seem to work. How can I proceed to debugging this? I'm clueless when it comes to sound management under *nix.
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06:06<SyynrG>_Alex: using gnome? Use pavucontrol to adjust your input
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06:07<_Alex>I'm using XFCE, but I do have pavucontrol. It shows the webcam at input devices, but the volume bar is "grayed out" for some reason.
06:08<SynrG>ah. are you using pulseaudio with xfce? if not, pavucontrol won't do anything for you
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06:09<SynrG>i.e. is there any pulseaudio process already running under your username?
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06:10<_Alex>Yup. Pulseaudio is running.
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06:12<_Alex>Right after the install I had some issues with sound so I installed pavucontrol which I guess came with pulseaudio. I think I have the audio on this system kinda messed up since I also have alsamixer and other ALSA utils.
06:13<SyynrG>It is OK to have alsa stuff too. That's in the layer below
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06:14<SyynrG>There should be a button to set your input as fallback or something. I forget the label …
06:15<_Alex>Yes there is. I have it pressed and disabled the other input divece to make sure. The volume bar is still grayed out.
06:15<SyynrG>Not sure I'd that is appropriate for removable devices though. But it worked for my two card use case.
06:15<SyynrG>Sure if*
06:16<SyynrG>When active, when you soak in the mic there are bars indicating input levels …
06:17<SyynrG>Plug* in
06:17<SyynrG>Autocorrect, blah
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06:17<lord_rob>Hi! Is heartbleed bug harmful client side? (I would say no but maybe I'm an idiot :p)
06:17<_Alex>Yeah, there should be, but there aren't. Here's a screenshot
06:18<_Alex>I just realized I had it on mute
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06:18<SyynrG>Funny :-)
06:18<lord_rob>(I'm upgrading OpenSSL anyway)
06:19<SyynrG>lord_rob: from what I've read, yes.
06:20<SyynrG>Everyone needs to patch
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06:21<lord_rob>many won't ;)
06:21<_Alex>lord_rob: Even if you have the patched version of OpenSSL, if the server you're trying to access has the vulnerable one you're still vulnerable AFAIK.
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06:22<ompaul>an all sided bad deal
06:22<lord_rob>that's why I said that,
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06:23<lord_rob>and yes you can have an evil server, didn't think of that
06:24<ompaul>stupid server
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06:24<ompaul>evil sits in the middle
06:24<_Alex>Only Wheezy+ was affected, though. A lot of servers still run squeeze.
06:24<SynrG>not just that. any server that *previously* was unpatched (which is all servers in the world) could have leaked your private info
06:24<ompaul>the problem is not what if
06:25<SynrG>well, fsvo 'all'
06:25<SynrG>66% is the figure i heard tossed around
06:26<ompaul>I thought certain had a c at the start of it
06:26<ompaul>so the internet breaks stuff again
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06:27<ompaul>the bad bit is the impact on openvpn
06:27<ompaul>more subtle
06:27<ompaul>openvpn is ssh transport but used pem certs from openssl
06:27<ompaul>so if you have too high a version anywhere on the network the entire thing needs a reinstall
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06:28<ompaul>if you use openvpn to carry only ssh passwords
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06:29<ompaul>you are in a slightly different position (and that word is used very advisedly) for transport past that node
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06:29<ompaul>however most people transport to a node and move from there
06:29<ompaul>so ... most likely everything needs new stuff
06:29<ompaul>one man and his code
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06:30<ompaul>silly mistake, should have been picked up straight away when the debian ssh problem occurred
06:30<ompaul>but then I was not there checking it ... so my fault s
06:31<ompaul>oh wait you didn't check either!
06:31<ompaul>SynrG: what did you think I was going to say ;-)
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06:33<SynrG>ompaul: check?
06:33<SynrG>ompaul: sorry, afk lots and still cold-addled
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06:35<ompaul>SynrG: no worries.
06:35<SynrG>ompaul: you are personally responsible for heartbleed by not checking? :)
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06:36<ompaul>oh wait that is what you said the other day ;-)
06:36<SynrG>sigh. i guess we all are, then. diffusion of responsibility
06:36<SynrG>crowd mentality
06:36<ompaul>like that
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06:36<ompaul>i think now two bugs will be defended against going forward (for want of a phrase)
06:36<ompaul>actually three
06:37<SyynrG>Making the coffee. Should be less clueless after
06:37<ompaul>underruns overflows and shorter than should be
06:37-!-mode/#debian [+o babilen] by ChanServ
06:37<ompaul>dcc me one
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07:26<JK1>Debian 7.4 (i386 architecture) doesn't recognize my USB flash drive. Nothing happens when I plug it in. How can I get it working? There is no mention about manufacturer on the USB flash drive.
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07:27<abrotman>JK1: look in 'dmesg' for some clues
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07:28<JK1>"[sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk"
07:28<abrotman>probably more than that?
07:29<JK1>it recognizes the correct size I see
07:29<JK1>Manufacturer SMI Corporation, no caching mode page found
07:29<abrotman>you can use to show us more
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07:33<JK1>Here, abrotman
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07:35<maxy>So, the device is recognized.
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07:35<maxy>Let me guess, are you running gnome and you expect it to auto mount the device?
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07:36<JK1>I put files there on a Microsoft Windows. The file system is FAT32
07:36<adrenalink>hello! I just upgraded my libssl version on Debian Wheezy and a window appeared to me asking for a list of services to restart to correctly use this new SSL library. How can I know all the services I should put there? Is this necessary also if I reboot the system?
07:37<JK1>maxy: I'm running Gnome and just want to access these files. Where do I mount? The flash drive is not visible via the file explorer.
07:37<maxy>adrenalink: The list of services has a default for the ones that are detected to need to be restarted
07:38<adrenalink>maxy: yes. It list exim4 (something about mail service), but it ask me if I want to add others..
07:38<maxy>adrenalink: Probably reboot, check that your bank has a patched libssl, and change you bank password...
07:40<maxy>JK1: Check if you have usbmount installed, if so, remove it, it's unmaintained and in wheezy produces that behaviour.
07:40<maxy>gotta go
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07:42<JK1>I have no usbmount installed.
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07:57<Wood>Hi, any1 experience with plex media server on debian? Has set it up, and done ip:32400 tunnel ( putty ) but still it wount let me connect.
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07:59<jimpop>it's kind of a shame that python-geoip still doesn't have ipv6 support :-(
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08:13<tuv>since yesterday, every time i close the laptop lid (running jessie), the network is shutdown. after opening the lid, network-manager says 'networking disabled'. i have to restart network-manager to get it to work again
08:13<tuv>how do i prevent closing the lid from doing anything to networking or network-manager? i'd like to keep the machine up, awake, and connected when the lid is closed
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08:25<jaccob>I broke my server with my upgrade attempt, apt-get complained about so I moved it to /root/ but now my system doesn't eve do ls
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08:26<abrotman>jaccob: why did you switch servers?
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08:26<jaccob>this one is usually better
08:26<abrotman>oh okay
08:28<jaccob>yeah its broken good, I can even ssh anymore
08:28<jaccob>abrotman, can you save me?
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08:31<jaccob>LD_PRELOAD ?
08:32<Hicks_>tuv: There's a few of use with a similar issue and a bug on the tracker although not sure there's any solution to it yet
08:33<Hicks_>tuv: It seems related to systemd not been used although I'm not quite ready to switch to systemd to solve it (assuming it does)
08:33<bodgix>jaccob, without libc I think you won't be able to do anything but boot with a rescue cd/usb
08:33<bodgix>mount and move the file back to it's place
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08:34<jaccob>mv /lib/i386-linux-gnu/ /root/
08:34<jaccob>that is what I did
08:34<jaccob>bodgix, its a vps
08:35<_spOOn_>jaccob: most vps providers allow you to mount the original install media
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08:36<bodgix>hm.. unless as you say.. If you could export something to INIT's env
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08:36<bodgix>I don't know how unfortunatelly
08:36<jaccob>bodgix, me? export something?
08:36<_spOOn_>lol, i assume you've tried scp'ing it from another host?
08:37<jaccob>_spOOn_, me? yeah
08:37<bodgix>well export the LD_PATH so that will get found in /root
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08:37<cricri-1>Could someone give a helping hand to a newbie
08:37<jaccob>bodgix, I tried: LD_PRELOAD=/root/
08:38<bodgix>as a kernel parameter?
08:38<jaccob>bodgix, not sure,what do you mean, how do i do that?
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08:39<bodgix>jaccob, from what I understand you cannot ssh to the system anymore
08:39<bodgix>so where did you execute the LD_PRELOAD= ?
08:39<jaccob>bodgix, no, but I am still in
08:40<bodgix>ok. so no binary works? like cp, etc?
08:40<jaccob>i tried to do a second ssh into it, but it didn't allow, but my current one isn't broken yet
08:40<jaccob>ls doesn't work either
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08:41<cricri-1>you're only two on the channel?
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08:42<bodgix>jaccob, try: export LD_PRELOAD=/root/; ls
08:43<cricri-1>has anyone ever had some trouble installing Rt-Linux-HDaudio-5.18 on a computer
08:43<cricri-1>I don't understand how to manage the install
08:43<jaccob>bodgix, you are a good man
08:44<jaccob>i forgot export,
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08:44<jaccob>I don't understand all this environment variable stuff
08:44<bodgix>i think without export, children processes don't inherit them
08:44<jaccob>I still can't ssh
08:44<jaccob>but I can ls
08:44<bodgix>try to copy the lib back to where it was
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08:45<bodgix>because ssh daemon doesn't have this variable in its environment
08:45<bodgix>cp should now work too
08:45<jaccob>i did but ssh still isn't working
08:46<bodgix>hm... you can try to restart. you shouldn't loose the current connection but it is a little bit risky
08:46<jaccob>what about, I see it in my root, where does't belong
08:46<bodgix>or maybe you copied to the wrong place?
08:46<bodgix>is it a link?
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08:47<cricri-1>does anyone read me
08:47<jaccob>_spOOn_, thx
08:47<_spOOn_>its a symlink tho...
08:47<_spOOn_>/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ ->
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08:48<_spOOn_>in your case I suspect /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ should be pointing to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
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08:48<bodgix>ldconfig -v
08:48<bodgix>it should rebuild the symlinks
08:48<jaccob>I logged out of root, and now I can't get back in
08:49<bodgix>that wasn't a good move jaccob
08:49<_spOOn_>sorry, I shouldnt laugh...
08:49<jaccob>bodgix, i know
08:50<jaccob>I'm gonna reboot it then
08:50<bodgix>well... I'm afraid now you'll have to try to boot with some rescue image if your provider allows that
08:50<cricri-1>am I connected?
08:50<bodgix>cricri-1, yes
08:50<cricri-1>oh ok sorry then
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08:51<cricri-1>I've been spending two days on a driver's install
08:52<cricri-1>I am new on wheezy
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08:53<musca>cricri-1: usually linux comes with all drivers included. Which hardware did you need additional drivers for?
08:53<cricri-1>RT882 HDA
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08:54<cricri-1>for I have some some mono sound not stereo and far from hda
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08:55<cricri-1>I have the package but I don't understand how to install it
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08:56<musca>cricri-1: please do: lspci -nn | grep 882
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08:59<cricri-1>musca: did nothing
09:00<jaccob>I should've at least backed it up eh, before making funking moves that I know nothing of and never did before.
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09:01<_spOOn_>hindsight... its a wonderful thing, eh
09:01<musca>cricri-1: please try "lspci -nn" and copy only the line for your RT882 HDA device here to the irc
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09:02<cricri-1>musca: 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub [8086:27a0] (rev 03)
09:02<cricri-1>00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express PCI Express Root Port [8086:27a1] (rev 03)
09:02<cricri-1>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
09:02<cricri-1>00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 1 [8086:27d0] (rev 02)
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09:03<_spOOn_>jaccob: I assume its no longer booting?
09:03<jaccob>_spOOn_, yeah
09:03<_spOOn_>do you have access to an admin console?
09:04<_spOOn_>can you select any different boot options (network, iso, whatever?)
09:05<jaccob>_spOOn_, well, I opened a ticket requesting rescue disk boot
09:06<_spOOn_>oh okies
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09:06<musca>wb cricri-1
09:06<_spOOn_>should be a trivial fix once you can boot from media
09:06<cricri-1>hi I was kicked
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09:06<musca>cricri-1: yes, please don't offend the flood protection bot.
09:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
09:07<cricri-1>did you get it though?
09:07<musca>at least we got <cricri-1> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
09:08<musca>,pciid 8086:27d8
09:08<judd>[8086:27d8] is 'NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
09:09<cricri-1>what does it do?
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09:10<musca>cricri-1: well, it is an intel HD Audio device and it has drivers in wheezy.
09:10<cricri-1>i see no link
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09:11<musca>i see no hint to your information <cricri-1> RT882 HDA
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09:14<cricri-1>Musca: the issue there is that I do not seem to be able able ton find an .deb file
09:15<cricri-1>to find a .deb file
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09:19<cricri-1>musca: thanks anyways
09:19<cricri-1>Have a good day
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09:22<mistnim>hello, I was doing a dist-upgrade and lost connection with ssh, now I see the apt-get process in ps list. Is there a way to continue that without having to kill it and restart?
09:22<bodgix>jaccob, do you have access to kernel parameters of your virt? to the grub config or to the console when the virt boots?
09:23<bodgix>I figured out that you can pass environmental variables from the kernel to init and than to all children
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09:23<mistnim>there is also a dpkg running and it's certainly stopped at a package configuration.
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09:24<mistnim>in case not possible to continue with that, is it safe to kill it?
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09:26<alireza>hello, any body to know me how to install unity-d2-launcher on debian gnome?
09:29<converge>is it possible to install debian 7 in a EFI motherboard ?
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09:31<bodgix>mistnim, in future run in a screen session
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09:33<mistnim>thanks bodgix, in present what do I do?
09:33<bodgix>I don't know how to connect back to a pts
09:33<bodgix> you can try this
09:34<bodgix>but I don't take any responsibility. probably you have no better option unless you know how to connect back to the pts that you have abandoned
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09:40<mistnim>thans bodgix, did that, looks clean and painless
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09:42<bodgix>mistnim, fwiw I think your upgrade was interrupted somewhere in the middle anyway. I'm not sure but probably dpkg only finished whatever it was doing when stopped and that was it.
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09:48<adrenalink>Hello! I have a Debian in dual boot with Ubuntu, but when I run update-grub from Debian it links the kernel used in Ubuntu with the partition UUID of Debian ( if I run update-grub from Ubuntu a similar thing happens). Any suggestion?
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10:36<adrenalink>FWD: Hello! I have a Debian in dual boot with Ubuntu, but when I run update-grub from Debian it links the kernel used in Ubuntu with the partition UUID of Debian ( if I run update-grub from Ubuntu a similar thing happens). Any suggestio
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10:39<JK1>I fixed my USB flash drive problem. On another system I changed some permissions on the drive and now it works.
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10:44<nikit>any body there?
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10:52<jaccob>I have wheezy, and I want to install Nodejs, should I do some backports thingy cause Node is in Sid(testing)
10:53<jaccob>sorry Sid(unstable)
10:53<jaccob>I can build from source but I was think perhaps using the one in Sid would be better or worse?
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10:55<stderr_dk>judd: v nodejs
10:55<judd>Package: nodejs on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.21~dfsg1-1~bpo7+1; jessie: 0.10.26~dfsg1-1; sid: 0.10.26~dfsg1-1
10:55<stderr_dk>jaccob: You could just get it from wheezy-backports.
10:56<jaccob>stderr_dk, can you do the trigger to get the instructions for using wheezy-backports please
10:56<nikit>im sorry, can u tell me how to install this launcher?
10:57<dpkg>Selected packages intended for the "Jessie" (8.0) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>.
10:57<jaccob>so I just add that line to my sources.list and apt-get update and apt-get install?
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10:58<stderr_dk>As far as I can tell, yes, but I haven't installed nodejs myself.
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10:59<jaccob>stderr_dk, thx
10:59<stderr_dk>No problem.
10:59<dpkg>it has been said that email is the lifeblood of the pornternet, or if you have email problems, 99.9% of the time its your client not the server.
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11:01<nikit>im sorry, can u tell me how to install this launcher?
11:01<jaccob>OpenSSL 1.0.1 to 1.0.1f is supposed to be comprimised. how do we upgrade
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11:03<stderr_dk>jaccob: The fix has been backported, so just do a normal upgrade and you should be fine.
11:03<jaccob>stderr_dk, I did apt-get upgrade, but it says 1.0.1.e, but its supposedly comprised all the way up to version f
11:04<stderr_dk>As I said, the fix has been backported.
11:05<jaccob>oh, I see
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11:06<jaccob>I added backports and did apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade, but it did upgrade openssl. so you mean to say the fix has been backported to openssl version e
11:06<stderr_dk>jaccob: and look for "How about operating systems?"
11:07<jaccob>stderr_dk, thx
11:07<adrenalink>jaccob: run: aptitude versions '~i?source-package(openssl)'
11:07<stderr_dk>Yes, the fix for heartbleed has been applied to the "e" version in Debian, but the other features from "f" and "g" haven't been applied.
11:07<adrenalink>the versioning number should be 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6
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11:09<jaccob>adrenalink, what is that command again please?
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11:10<adrenalink>jaccob: aptitude versions '~i?source-package(openssl)'
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11:11<adrenalink>jaccob: If you don't have aptitute installed, install it (apt-get install aptitude). Unfortunately I don't know the apt-get like version of that command.
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11:14<stderr_dk>jaccob: Excellent. Then you just need to make new certificates and restart the services...
11:14<jaccob>stderr_dk, sweet thx
11:14<jaccob>what about mail server, do you know a good trigger for that here?
11:15<stderr_dk>What do you mean?
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11:16<roughnecks>i think he's asking for some factoid
11:16<roughnecks>jaccob: /query dpkg and ask it
11:16<stderr_dk>Yes, but about what? Setting up a mail server? Deciding which one to use?
11:17<jaccob>yes email server
11:17<adrenalink>stderr_dk: Is it ok if I restart the whole system instead of single service restart after upgrading openssl?
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11:17<stderr_dk>adrenalink: Yes, rebooting restarts all the services. :-)
11:17<SynrG>adrenalink: yes. that's a highly reliable way
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11:27<nikit>no body help me?
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11:29<stderr_dk>nikit: What's the problem?
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11:29<nikit>stderr_dk, im sorry, can u tell me how to install this launcher?
11:30<nikit>i got it and unzip in /usr/share/unity-2d but i dont know now what should i do
11:30<stderr_dk>It says Ubuntu. Are you sure it works on Debian?
11:31<nikit>i can't use it on debian wheezy?
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11:31<stderr_dk>I have no idea.
11:31<nikit>okay thank you
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11:34<jaccob>!email server
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11:34<dpkg>it has been said that email is the lifeblood of the pornternet, or if you have email problems, 99.9% of the time its your client not the server.
11:35<stderr_dk>jaccob: What's your real question? What software to use or how to set it up or something else?
11:35<jaccob>how to configure email server, its dpkg-reconfigure 'something'
11:35<SynrG>And message the bot, please, for private inquiries.
11:35<jaccob>or dpkg-configure
11:36<jaccob>SynrG, like /query dpkg email, didnt get anything back though
11:36<SynrG>exim4-config i think
11:36<jaccob>I think debian 6 had exim and 7 has postfix?
11:37<jaccob>yep that's it SynrG thx
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11:47<jaccob>so I have to configure smtp separately?
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11:47<jaccob>my mails are going out as just username, instead of
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11:51<jaccob>I sent an email to myself, it didn't bounce back and I didn't get it
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11:52<sewavat>hey there
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11:59<adrenalink>Why gparted is not a trusted package in Debian Wheezy?
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12:03<vriezo>hi all
12:04<jaccob>frig...anyone use exim, I am not receiving emails and they are not bouncing back
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12:10<Auroch>hi everybody
12:11<Auroch>is there anybody knowing well libpam-ldap in Wheezy ?
12:12<Auroch>Because I've trouble with using ldap:// or ldaps:// in config only host seems to work
12:13<Auroch>When I try (trough dpkg-reconfigure) to set ldap(s):// I find in /var/log/auth.log a line which tell me that ldap_simple_bind cannot connect to ldap server.
12:14<Auroch>But whith host, everything's fine so ... have I missed something ... a package, a config ?
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12:18<jaccob>anyone installed nodejs from repo? where's npm
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12:58<SynrG>,v npm
12:58<judd>Package: npm on i386 -- jessie: 1.4.4+ds-1; sid: 1.4.4+ds-1
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12:58<SynrG>jaccob: jessie only
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12:59<Auroch>Help needed with libpam-ldap ... can only use host param but not ldap:// nor ldaps://
13:00<Auroch>Does anybody knows if I missed somathing (config or package)
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13:01<Auroch>What's an acceptable timing to recall my question ?
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13:03<Auroch>Does anybody knows if I missed something (config or package)
13:03<Auroch>Help needed with libpam-ldap ... can only use "host" param but not "ldap://" nor "ldaps://"
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13:10-!-adi is "Adrian Friedli" on #debian #debian-ipv6 #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-kde #bash-completion # #debian-systemd
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13:14<Auroch>Help needed with libpam-ldap ... can only use "host" param but not "ldap://" nor "ldaps://"
13:14<Auroch>Does anybody knows if I missed something (config or package)
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13:20<luigi>Hola !!
13:22<TomasCZ>I suppose once every 30min or 1hour would be enough.
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13:23<petn-randall>Auroch: What does the man page say?
13:23<TomasCZ>Dunno, if you have correct config file you are trying to modify for this purpose.
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13:31<TomasCZ>Auroch, what about libnss-ldap man page? if you have it installed.
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13:33<Auroch>petn-randall: there's no man page for libpam-ldap package
13:33<Auroch>@petn-randall: there's no man page for libpam-ldap package
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13:35<Katzenfreund>Hi there...
13:36<Auroch>TomasCZ: It seems libnss-ldap is not needed if I understand well
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13:38<TomasCZ>Auroch, Well just tried to install it and it should be fine. Just to note: /etc/ldap/ldap.conf /etc/pam_ldap.conf ( I do recall that on centos I had to modify /etc/ldap.conf to get ldap workin... )
13:39<TomasCZ>Auroch, sometimes there is even man page for a config files...
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13:43<nfisher>dear support, how do i sync my system time/date with online time-servers?
13:43<nfisher>i'm running wheezy btw.
13:44<Katzenfreund>Does anyone know why using encryption during installation (dm-cryption; AES256) will result in a first read-only and then corupt file system? (Ext4) After the system was up and running for a short time?
13:44<Katzenfreund>(using testing downloaded hours ago)
13:44<Auroch>TomasCZ: OK i will try in this direction and thanx for man config file, i don' know that before ;-(
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13:45<Auroch>TomasCZ: But i assumed that the dpkg-reconfigure of the package wich ask me about parameter configure it correctly and it work well with host but not ldap://
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13:47<petn-randall>nfisher: Install ntp, and check the man page if you want to configure details.
13:48<nfisher>petn-randall, thanks!
13:48<petn-randall>nfisher: It should work out of the box.
13:48<petn-randall>nfisher: You're welcome!
13:48<nfisher>petn-randall, thought the same about wheezy :)
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13:52<petn-randall>Katzenfreund: jessie is supported in #debian-next. It should work, since I've got it running fine.
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13:54<Katzenfreund>yes... its running nicely on my other laptop as well ;) Guess its somehow related weather with AES in the new i7 (if this is used - I don't know yet) or with the SSD / Chipset combination
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14:07<petn-randall>Katzenfreund: Let's carry on on #debian-next, replied to you there.
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14:40<kaplan>Hi... Any way to add (on the fly) backport repositories to a chroot (I'm using schroot/sbuild)?
14:40<kaplan>I need to have some build dependencies fulfilled from wheezy-backports.
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14:47<petn-randall>kaplan: You can add them by hand, I don't know if there's a tool-specific way to do it.
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14:49<kaplan>petn-randall: Thanks, but I have a few chroots, and like to keep them closed (unextracted), that's why I'm looking for "on the fly" solution.
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14:54<PaoloRossi>Hi all, I'm trying to update my debian stable x64 with xfce, but everytime I get a consistent number of "Err wheezy/updates/... 404 Not Found"
14:55<PaoloRossi>Any idea?
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14:57<SynrG>Let's see your /etc/apt/sources.list at
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14:58<PaoloRossi>Thank you SynrG, here is my sources.list:
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15:00<SynrG>At line 11 change that back to security
15:00<SynrG>Like the line above
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15:09<Paolino>SynrG, that mirror seems ok now. You can see other mirror errors I have here:
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15:11<Brigo>Paolino, there is no
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15:16<Paolino>Brigo, so I have to change "" to a working mirror (for example ?
15:17<Brigo>for example.
15:18<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror geographically close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from An example line for your sources.list is "deb wheezy main". See for more information. Unlike <>, it is safe to use with Google DNS etc because it uses HTTP 302 redirects. See also <which>.
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15:22<Paolino>Thanks Brigo and SynrG, everything works now
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15:49<dotut>hello have a question about heartbleed bug and libssl...openssh depends on libssl..does that mean openssh is affected as well?
15:50<ncl>SSH does not use TLS
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15:52<dotut>thanks thats what i thought...
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15:53<dotut>so what does the libssl library provide openssh?
15:53<dotut>i mean why does it need it
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15:57<somiaj>dotut: it is the encryption libary, while the other part is just the server, and since the encryption libary is its own package other software can use/depend on it.
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15:58<dotut>somiaj: Thanks
15:59<dotut>do you happen to have the git commit for the fix?
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15:59<somiaj>dotut: why not just installed teh fixed debianp packages
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16:00<somiaj>they have been fixed in wheezy via security fiarly quickly and the fix was pused though sid and testing really quickly too
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16:00<dotut>oh i already updated the packaes...was curios of the patch that fixed it
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16:03<somiaj>dotut: you can check the DSA but I would have to look for the actual patch
16:03<dotut>is this the one:;a=commitdiff;h=96db9023b881d7cd9f379b0c154650d6c108e9a3;hp=0d7717fc9c83dafab8153cbd5e2180e6e04cc802
16:03<somiaj>dotut: -- the patch might be in the bug report linked
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16:11<dotut>somiaj: Thanks
16:11<dotut>trying to explain the issue to the team here ... they are somehow convinced openssh-server is comprimised
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16:16<awal>Debian old-stable (Squeeze) will be suported until ... (time)...?
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16:17<awal>squeeze 6.0.9 is the last major update?
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16:23<bix_nood>just popped to say thanks for yesterday's advice.
16:23<bix_nood>i'm back on stable without any problems and everything runs fine and dandy.
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16:32<somiaj>,v openssh-server
16:32<judd>Package: openssh-server on i386 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:6.5p1-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.6p1-2; sid: 1:6.6p1-2
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16:57<txt-file>I had qemu installed in /usr/local/bin which I removed a couple of minutes ago. But now my bash tells me "bash: /usr/local/bin/qemu-system-x86_64: No such file or directory". Is there a way to update the program locations?
16:59<somiaj>txt-file: The only way I have been able to do that is logout/backin, I belive that will refresh where bash finds things
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16:59<petemc>txt-file: hash -r
16:59<somiaj>you could see if 'which qemu-system-x86_64' says, see if it can find the debian binary you installed (that is what I'm imanging)
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17:00<txt-file>petemc, worked … thank you very much
17:01<mask>i downloaded a large file of excel spreadsheets and when i open them with Calc most of them open in a read-only format, how do I edit the file permissions so that the spreadsheets open with read-write enabled?
17:03<prob>mask, what attritube has it might be read only? chmod 755 file might be a solution
17:04<prob>or right click and change "me" to read write from read only
17:05<prob>(left click->properties->permittion)
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17:09<txt-file>mask, i think it is more a libreoffice feature. imho formats other than odf are first opened read only and then you can enable write support with a button in the toolbar
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17:12<mask>prob, txt-file, prob's suggestion worked, but is there a way to change these file permissions en masse? there are literally hundreds of excel files and changing them one by one would be a chore. txt-file, where would the button you are referring to be? I didnt see anything initially on the features ribbon
17:12<mask>prob how would i do the chmod 755 to apply to all folders and files at once?
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17:24<thewanderer1>Hello. Is there a Debian way of having persistent iptables, routing tables and routes? I run policy routing, and wouldn't like to reconfigure it all after every boot-up.
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17:33<centrx>thewanderer1, iptables are expected to be loaded at each bootup?
17:34<thewanderer1>centrx, I suppose so, yes.
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17:47<somiaj>thewanderer1: there are tools like iptables-save and iptables-restore, I think those are run byt he shutdowning/booting up scripts
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17:50<thewanderer1>somiaj, I can't find anything looking like "iptables" by grepping in /etc/init.d/ - a separate package, perhaps?
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17:51<petemc>you can run your script in /e/n/i post-up
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17:51<thewanderer1>ah well, here I was hoping I could avoid that... :/
17:53<somiaj>thewanderer1: -- mentions an iptables-persistent package
17:53<thewanderer1>well, for starters, I'm not sure what interface to bind it to - there are 2 WANs and multiple LANs
17:54<somiaj>I think just put it in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables should effect all interfaces
17:54<thewanderer1>actually, iptables-persistent looks promising
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17:55<thewanderer1>somiaj, doesn't putting it in if-pre-up.d cause a script to run when any interface is brought up - effectively, multiple times?
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18:07<thewanderer1>I suppose I'll just write my own init script and make it dependent on the network config (as I need routing tables as well)
18:08<prob>mask, to change massive you can use -R
18:09<prob>example i want .pp files under /test be rwxrwxrwx chmod 777 -R test/*.pp ;)
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18:11<thewanderer1>prob, I miss the context (joined not too long ago), but that wouldn't work; you need to use this instead: find /test -name "*.pp" -exec chmod 0777 '{}' '+'
18:11<thewanderer1>also, please, choose another chmod setting. 0777 is plain dangerous!
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18:12<prob>thewanderer1, yeah was just an example the guy needed 755 as said before
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18:42<ratando497>hi. help. i cannot extract a tar.xz-file - it keeps giving me: Failed/could not create - mime/archive type not supported. but i HAVE the thunar-archive -plugin - which i just re-installed. i have extracted many a tar.gz-files successfully. and i Do have xz-util installed - and - i DID change file permission to 777... i'm a newb - please, help. anyone?
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18:43<ratando497>please help me squeeze the tar out of this xz - and i will be so Thankful...
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18:44<ratando497>so, very - thankfull...
18:45<stderr_dk>Are you sure it's a tar.xz?
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18:45<ratando497>yes, very.
18:46<stderr_dk>Yes, that's the filename. That doesn't say anything about the content of that file...
18:46<ratando497>ummmm. huh?
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18:47<stderr_dk>It's not that hard to rename a file.
18:47<ratando497>i am unsure of what you are asking me.
18:48<stderr_dk>I don't use thunar myself, but try opening a terminal and run "file" on that file.
18:48<mask>prob, i tried to implement it but had problems, so in my system the 'sampleExcelFiles' folder contains many subfolders, and the subfolders contain other subfolders, and after that I finally get to the excel spreadsheets that I want to modify, so I cd'ed to the folder that contains 'sampleExcelFiles' and used the code 'sudo chmod 777 -R sampleExcelFiles/*.xlsx' in the terminal but i got a 'No such file or directory' error
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18:48<stderr_dk>ratando497: If that also says it's a tar.xz, you could try tar -Jxf FILE.tar.xz
18:49<prob>mask sorry i got a problem atm too haha
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18:49<ratando497>okay - i just found command-line instructions that i will try - i have been trying and failing to use a gui [since i am such a newb]
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18:49<prob>try the one with find and exec to change 'em all and be 755 not 777
18:49<mask>prob no worries, thanks for the help anyway
18:50<prob>plus reask might someone else is now and could help might be a button or something as a guy said
18:50<ratando497>okay- thank you! i will try me? 755- not 777?
18:50<mask>thewanderer1, any suggestions?
18:50<Absinthe>what was the question?
18:51<mask>Absinthe, are you referring to my question or someone elses?
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18:52<stderr_dk>ratando497: I wouldn't recommend 755 or 777 on the .tar.xz... You don't want other to write to that file and it's not a program, so you don't need to execute it.
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18:52<stderr_dk>ratando497: 644, 640 or 600 should be more than enough.
18:52<ratando497>okay - what should i
18:53<stderr_dk>ratando497: Did you try "file FILENAME.tar.xz"?
18:53<ratando497>? okay - back to 644, then - where it was.
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18:53<stderr_dk>Or "tar -Jxf FILE.tar.xz"?
18:53<mask>Absinthe, i have a folder called 'sampleExcelFiles' with numerous subfolders, the subfolders have more subfolders, then finally these subfolders have many .xlsx files that are read only. I want to change all the .xlsx files anywhere in 'sampleExcelFiles' to read and write, how do I change them all in one fell swoop? what command would I type into the terminal?
18:53<ratando497>no - no cli, yet... i will try. :)
18:54<stderr_dk>mask: find sampleExcelFiles -type f -name '*.xlsx' -exec chmod u=rw {} +
18:54<Absinthe>just for yourself of for everyone?
18:55<mask>Absinthe, im the only user on this computer, so i guess it really doesnt matter
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18:55<Absinthe>first of all -R or --recursive will go down the folder structure
18:56<Absinthe>ok and you can use 666 for read and write for everyone,
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18:57<Absinthe>chmod 666 -r *.xlsx
18:57<Absinthe>would be my guess
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18:57<stderr_dk>Absinthe: Bad idea...
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18:57<mask>stderr_dk, so just the command as you wrote it above?
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18:57<Absinthe>hold on, let me try something
18:58<stderr_dk>-r will also change the permissions on the dirs. Removing "x" from dirs means you can access those dirs anymore.
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18:59<stderr_dk>mask: That should search sampleExcelFiles for all things of type f (files), name *.xlsx and then run chmod u=rw (user = read and write permission) on those files.
18:59<mask>stderr_dk, ok, let me try it
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18:59<Absinthe>not if he uses the pattern
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19:00<ratando497>stderr_dk: ok- that worked - i've done it for years with a gui in ubuntu and now i am trying to really learn more of linux - and debian. thanx!
19:00<Absinthe>if he did just * then it would try to do the dirs, but if he uses *.xlsx then it will recurse, but only work on the files that meet that pattern
19:00<stderr_dk>Absinthe: Right, if he use chmod 666 -r *.xlsx only files and dirs in the current directory while be checked. foo/bar.xlsx would be found.
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19:01<Absinthe>so exactly I would suggest, first change into that directory "cd <path>"
19:01<Absinthe>then chmod 666 --recurse *.xslx
19:01<stderr_dk>Absinthe: Only files and dirs _in the current dir_ names *.xlsx will be check... foo.xlsx/bar will be found _and changed_.
19:01<Absinthe>it is either -R <---- case matters or --recurse
19:03<stderr_dk>Absinthe: chmod 666 --recurse *.xslx will find a dir names foo.xlsx in the current dir... That dir and everything in it __including stuff not named *.xlsx__ will be changed.
19:04<Absinthe>let me try it on some sample files
19:04<stderr_dk>Or the other hand, it will not search "bar" in the current dir, so bar/baz.xslx won't be find or changed.
19:05<stderr_dk>Absinthe: Trust me. It won't work... find sampleExcelFiles -type f -name '*.xlsx' -exec chmod u=rw {} + will
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19:07<Absinthe>hmmm looks like you are right, I guess I would have to use find then
19:08<Absinthe>chmod 666 `find . -name *.xslx`
19:08<stderr_dk>Absinthe: Yes, remember that wildcards are expanded by the shell before the command is run. That's also why you need the ' around '*.xlsx' in my command.
19:09<Absinthe>those are the accente grave (under the esc key) not the single quote
19:09<stderr_dk>That command will fail on "foo bar baz.xslx"
19:09<Absinthe>true enough..
19:10<Absinthe>not sure I understand why -R doesn't work right
19:10<Absinthe>you can tell I don't run it that often :)
19:11<stderr_dk>First of all because the shell expands the *.xlsx before chmod is run.
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19:12<Absinthe>that's a good reason, damn globbing :)
19:12<stderr_dk>chmod then just sees a couple of dirs (that all happens to match that pattern) and work on _everything_ in those dirs.
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19:13<Absinthe>so you can only use the -R when you want to do everything, including subdirs?
19:14<stderr_dk>Yes, that's what it's for.
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19:14<Absinthe>now he could use a+rw instead of 666 too
19:15<stderr_dk>You would still change the permissions on all files.
19:15<stderr_dk>And a+rw is not the same as 666.
19:16<Absinthe>honestly, I probably use chmod x filename more than anything ever.
19:16<Absinthe>right, but it is more memorable than 666
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19:16<stderr_dk>a=rw would be the same as 666
19:17<Absinthe>ok, but the + would preserve the execution flag if it already existed right?
19:17<stderr_dk>Yes. Exactly why it's not the same as 666.
19:18<Absinthe>but it wouldn't gork the d flag on the folders
19:19<stderr_dk>No, it shouldn't.
19:19<Absinthe>and it wouldn't hurt the folders to be r and w so as a cheat it would be pretty ok to do
19:19<stderr_dk>666 on a dir is a bit silly, cause you need x to actual use that dir for anything meaningful...
19:19<Absinthe>chmod a+rw -R *
19:20<Absinthe>if you do it with the gui then it will do to the folders whatever it does to the files won't it?
19:20<stderr_dk>I wouldn't give other write permissions to anything unless I had a damn good reason.
19:21<stderr_dk>That probably depends on the GUI... I don't use any of the GUI filemanager thingies...
19:22<Absinthe>I just looked at nautilus and it doesn't. It asks for "folder settings" separate from file permissions
19:22<Absinthe>so it is fairly easy to do from the GUI too
19:23<Absinthe>but you couldn't just do the *.xslx that way
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19:25<Absinthe>ok I just scrolled back and say your command. I like it much better. :)
19:25<stderr_dk>You could probably find a GUI that allows you to do it, but it's a lot easier to just use the terminal.
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19:26<Absinthe>well, if you are not simply using nautilus or dolphin or whatever the file manager is on your distribution then you are doing too much work just to use a gui
19:27<Absinthe>it seems too many people rely too much on the gui
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19:28<Absinthe>if I am in a hurry, sometimes I will go to the gui but I prefer to do things from the cli whenever possible. However, some things are just better handled visually e.g. meld vs diff
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19:57<V_>I have to wifi card for my computer. One internal and one external. I need to add a patch to one of them how can I tell what one I am using. I use debian wheezy if that is needed
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20:00<V_>I know that kali linux has that driver with the patch pre applied would it hurt anything to take it from kali and put it on my debian wheezy? I know kali is based off debian wheezy?
20:00<SynrG>do not mix distros. ever.
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20:00<V_>K how do I find the Alfa wifi driver on my debian system
20:00<SynrG>which wifi card? lspci -nn | grep -i network
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20:01<SynrG>Alfa should work fine on wheezy. but please give the output i asked for
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20:01<V_>That will show me the driver that device is using?
20:01<SynrG>that will show us the pciid, which we need to look your device up
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20:02<V_>Synrg how long are you going robe in this room I am going to switch devises so that I don't hold everyone up
20:02<SynrG>anyone here can help when you give that info.
20:03<SynrG>but aside from that, i'll be around for a while. two periods left in the hockey game ...
20:03<V_>Ok if I try giving it now I could take for ever on this device with the mini keyboard lol
20:03<SynrG>ah. alfa is usb, right?
20:04<V_>Yes sir
20:04<SynrG>lsusb instead
20:04<SynrG>the numbers after "ID"
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20:05<SynrG>if you don't have it installed, install usbutils for lsusb
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20:09<SynrG>V_ probably needs firmware-atheros, from what I have read
20:09<SynrG>we'll see when he coughs up the usb id
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20:10<SynrG>specifically htc_9271.fw
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20:10<SynrG>also, crosscheck against dmesg messages which should complain about it missing
20:10<SynrG>^^ for other helpers if i'm not around when V_ returns.
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21:03<rektide_>i purged a bunch of packages, but they still have records when i do debconf-get-selections
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21:03<rektide_>is there any way to purge that selection data fully?
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21:14<Brigo>rektide_, afaik, no.
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21:37<Absinthe>how dangerous is it to switch to "testing" or "jessie" which would be the safer choice if I decide to do it?
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21:38<SynrG>testing is jessie
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21:38<SynrG>it is not recommended that you do it if you want stuff to 'just work'
21:39<SynrG>see #debian-next and read the 'sid faq' in the channel topic to know what you're in for
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21:43<Absinthe>but if I change to "testing" then once jessie is released I am still getting things that are in "testing" whatever that new name is, right? If I switch to jessie, then once it is released, I won't be getting unstable stuff?
21:44<Absinthe>I understand there are risks, I was kind of trying to jump the gun a little, but not quite commit to always be out there
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21:48<centrx>Absinthe, Right, use version name jessie then
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21:49<Absinthe>am I right in assuming, that is isn't going to be too bad
21:49<squisher>hey folks, I'm running exim4 and I'm getting all over sudden an "unrouteable address" error for an account that I sent email to just an hour ago
21:49<Absinthe>I can take some issues, but I don't want to spend all the time chasing down broken packages or bricking the system
21:49<chealer>Absinthe: it's quite relative. on what install would you do that, and how experienced are you with Debian and GNU/Linux?
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21:51<Absinthe>I have been running GNU/Linux of one flavor or another for some time now, I do remember Arch with its rolling updates and getting all kinds of crap blown out of the water just out of the blue
21:52<squisher>Absinthe, I've been running sid on my desktop for many years and it's only had serious issues a couple of times. But obviously YMMV
21:52<IDrinkMilk>Absinthe: Arch really only blows up in your face if you don't keep up to date with the news, or if you don't update for a long time.
21:52<Absinthe>Of course I ran ubuntu for a couple years both their LTS versions as well as the "latest and greatest" ones too.
21:53<Absinthe>Arch would screw up subsystems and screw up my development environment ... kind of pulling the rug out from under me. The system kept going but I would constantly have to go through all sorts of reconfigurations
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21:54<IDrinkMilk>What do you code in? A good friend of mine runs Arch religiously, he programs in C primarily.
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21:55<Absinthe>C/C++ and other stuff.
21:55<Absinthe>point is, I left Arch for something more stable
21:55<centrx>Testing is pretty safe
21:56<Absinthe>I am trying to understand how much of a risk I am taking going to testing, considering that the documents all say "the security team" doesn't update it
21:56<SynrG>the discussion really does belong on #debian-next, but yeah, if you're reasonably smart with linux already, you'll manage ok
21:56<Absinthe>sorry, I will connect there
21:56<SynrG>there are still ways if you're not alert to really shoot yourself in the foot
21:57<IDrinkMilk>Like rm -r ing the wrong directory
21:57<SynrG>that's not the kind of thing that's specific to running testing, though.
21:57<SynrG>anyway, contining over on #d-next ...
21:58<Absinthe>I can hurt myself in any distribution doing stupid stuff
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22:22<Yuukon>is tails support permitted chat in here?
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22:22<Yuukon>the folks in the channel do not wish to help me with my issue, as it is unsupported
22:23<vvnq>you may want to query me
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22:23<Yuukon>in here or the other channel?
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22:26<vvnq>I'm don't think there's anybody who would mind if we do it in here, but you could also query me directly if you'd prefer that.
22:26<Yuukon>we'll do it in here, I guess
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22:26<Yuukon>i'm looking to prevent tails from wiping my firefox/iceweasel settings, addons/plugins, ect when i remove the USB key
22:27<Yuukon>if it's easier, just disable wiping completely.
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22:28<vvnq>It's possible to have persistent storage, I think I would try to figure out how it works and try to get it working for ~/.mozilla/, too
22:28<Yuukon>ah yes, i've got a persistent drive already
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22:29<Yuukon>is there a way to install packages into the drive ?
22:29<dpkg>Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. #tails on
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22:29<vvnq>Also, I trust you you're knowing what you're doing. As this would persist you're whole profile and probably weaken you're anonymity.
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22:30<vvnq>oh, sorry, didn't know that. So, query, I guess.
22:30<Yuukon>i'll query in a few
22:30<petn-randall>Yes, feel free to take it to query, thanks.
22:30<Yuukon>sorry to bother you, sir :)
22:30<petn-randall>No prob :)
22:31<PovAddict>this 'aptitude upgrade' is taking forever to resolve deps, I wonder if I screwed things up :/
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22:31<Yuukon>is it trying to go over ipv6?
22:32<petn-randall>PovAddict: Are you doing a dist-upgrade?
22:32<vvnq>Yuukon: problem solving is offline
22:32<PovAddict>but I have like 800 upgradeable packages, I haven't touched this installation for a while :/
22:33<PovAddict>there are more installed packages with updates than without
22:33<vvnq>aptitude full-upgrade (or the old dist-upgrade) doesn't try to resolve on it's own
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22:33<vvnq>If there are some unsolvable problems you may have to resolve them on your own
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22:34<PovAddict>that's fine, but it's not getting to "there's a conflict, solve it yourself" yet
22:34<vvnq>especially with a lot of upgrades aptitude may take a while to realise it's not solvable
22:34<PovAddict>it's at "open: 91006; closed: 68720; defer: 27; conflict: 30"
22:34<vvnq>I had those, too, a while ago
22:34<PovAddict>should I use full-upgrade right away?
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22:53<PovAddict>longest upgrade ever
22:53<PovAddict>it's still installing stuff
22:53<PovAddict>if I had a local mirror, it'd have been faster to reinstall debian :P
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23:32<xkz>Hello, I have a desktop issue right now
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23:34<xkz>I'm used Debian testing for 3 year old, but recently I can' see any application when I press Window button, and can't open any window
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23:36<xkz>and I have made some tries: re-install relate package, still has problem
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23:40<xkz>Hello, I have a desktop issue..
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23:56<ratando497>hi. i am new to debian and have a clean system and - or maybe not. could i have possibly gotten a virus, so promptly - today? ? i did a wheezy install with xfce and when i reboot - about 9 terminals and the iceweasel and 2 file managers pop open in about 1 or 2 seconds! ! and when i shut down i make SURE that the little "Save session for future logins" is NOT checked. Yet, all this stuff pops right open. I have not installed anything weird of downloaded
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23:57<ratando497>brb. <3
23:57<ncl>ratando497: I think unless you delete/overwrite the saved session, it will always come up in the future
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23:58<ratando497>then what is the little box/option for?
23:58<ncl>if you have one saved session it'll come up on the 2nd, 3rd, etc logins until the session is overwritten
23:58<ratando497>in the logout/gui
23:58<ncl>the box tells it to overwrite the session
23:59<ncl>You didn't overwrite the session, so the old one is still saved
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