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00:14<Zoph>I'm having an issue with my DVD drive only reading CD's and not DVD's, when I insert a DVD it tells me "no medium found". I've tried everything I can think of and find on forums, anyone know of a solution?
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00:17<tempus>hey can anyone help with LMDE?
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00:17<Zoph>what's your issue?
00:19<tempus>i upgraded my gf's laptop from Ubuntu and about to do the same to mine, idk how but the repos are not working and I need to know how to fix the repos for update and need to get her wifi card working
00:19<raku>zoph: are you entirely sure it's a dvd reader
00:20<Zoph>100%
00:20<raku>based on what?
00:20<raku>tempus: do you have Internet on her laptop
00:21<Zoph>Optical: /dev/sr0 model: HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GSA-H73N rev: B103 dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw
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00:21<tempus>raku, I can get net when using ethernet cable
00:22<raku>what do you mean by "the repos arent working"
00:22<tempus>they are not the correct repos and it wont update
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00:23<tempus>maybe outdated or something, I have tried hitting the restore to default button and they still wont update
00:23<raku>and, just to confirm
00:24<raku>you've tried it with internet
00:24<tempus>I am not advanced with linux or even really intermediate, I have been tinkering with linux off and on for a few years but still have a lot to learn
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00:24<tempus>raku, yes I have
00:24<raku>where is it giving you the error
00:24<tempus>software sources, and update manager
00:25<tempus>the "shield" is the lower right corner has a red "X"
00:25<raku>im currently having an issue on a debian machine thats not even able to connect to the internet, part of testing stuff i was given this
00:25<raku> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
00:25<raku>so just make sure its like that
00:25<Zoph>edit /etc/apt/sources.list
00:26<tempus>Zoph could you send me the proper list so I can edit
00:26<Zoph>i pm'd you
00:26<Zoph>the list
00:26<Zoph>i had to edit mine straight away also for some reason.
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00:29<Zoph>any ideas what could be wrong with it not detecting DVD media?
00:29<Zoph>i hvae
00:29<Zoph>i have tried everything I can think of, including enabling kernel polling
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00:29<Zoph>I can put freeBSD on and the drive works
00:30<raku>have you tried google?
00:30<Zoph>i have exhausted google
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00:31<raku>well, im afraid i cant help much
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00:32<raku>there was some active people helping earlier but they suddenly went quiet
00:33<Zoph>i'm well versed in *nix/bsd but this has bewildered me
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00:33<tweek>i'm having trouble partitioning with the debian installer. i'd like to start from scratch, but when i do 'create new partition table' it only pretends to do so, then gets confused by pre-existing partitions (error informing kernel about changes etc..). trying to set up encrypted lvm.
00:33<Zoph>I read somewhere it could be a bug in particular to this specific make of drive, but enabling kernel polling fixed it for others, it did not work for my machine.
00:34<tweek>so, my short question: can i force the installer to actually write a new partition table before i continue?
00:34<Zoph>have you tried formatting the drive first?
00:35<tweek>Zoph: what exactly do you mean by 'formatting'? i thought it goes like this: 1) create partition table 2) create partitions 3) format them with file systems
00:35<Zoph>is it telling you something about a swap partition and insecure data?
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00:36<tweek>Zoph: no, not even there yet. after creating a new partition table, then creating a new boot partition, it offers to keep existing data for that partition, although it's supposed to be newly created
00:37<tweek>because, i suspect, the new partition table is not actually written before applying all changes
00:37<tweek>i think i'll have to use a different live cd to actually create an empty partition table
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00:46<tempus>ok so when i try to edit /etc/apt/sources.list i get "Warning: unknown mime-type for "sources.list" -- using "application/octet-stream"
00:47<raku>how are ou editing it
00:47<tempus>term
00:47<tempus>err shell
00:50<raku>with what
00:50<raku>gedit
00:50<raku>vi
00:50<raku>nano
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00:50<peterS>"nano /etc/apt/sources.list" is not going to give you that warning. you must have typed something else.
00:51<peterS>nor will a "shell" give that warning
00:51<tempus>ok now I feel stupid, I was actually trying to simply read the list and see what was in it to correct if neccesary but i was simply using a terminal shell
00:51<tempus>was not using any editors
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00:52<tempus>LMDE repos are separate from debian "wheezy" repos correct
00:52<peterS>(actually I guess my statement depends on the meaning of 'shell'. in the windows world, shell refers to software like Windows Explorer, which indeed could produce that sort of error. But in Linux and Unix, "shell" refers to an application with a text command prompt.)
00:53<tempus>peterS, yes I was using a simple shell "terminal" if you will
00:54<peterS>if you were using a shell, you must have typed something. what did you type?
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00:54<tempus>well I went into the /etc/apt dir then did and ls to see the files
00:55<peterS>ok,
00:55<peterS>'ls' is not going to produce that error
00:55<tempus>then tried edit sources.list
00:56<peterS>aha! yeah, 'edit' tries to open a file according to its type. if it doesn't recognise the file type, it will say just what you said it said
00:56<peterS>and sources.list isn't any specific known 'file type', as it is plain ascii text
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00:56<peterS>(so it would have then tried to fall back on the filename pattern to figure out the type, but ".list" does not denote a file type)
00:56<tempus>ok so what do i need to input to read the files or repos in that file and then correct them to proper LMDE repos so I can update and then maybe get the wifi card working
00:57<peterS>ok, anyway, to view the contents of a text file, use 'cat' or 'less' or (if less is not installed) 'more'
00:58<peterS>to edit, what you want is 'editor' rather than 'edit', unfortunately. though really 'editor' is just a wrapper that figures out what text editors you have installed and picks one. (The choice is not random, but from your perspective it may as well be. If you have a preferred editor such as 'nano', just type that explicitly.)
00:58<tempus>ok let me try that real quick, I am currently typing from my Ubuntu machine and after I get hers figured out I am going to install the same on my laptop
00:59<tempus>and yes I am rather behind the curve when it comes to most of the people here on irc's
00:59<raku>it would help if we knew what wifi card it is
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01:00<tempus>ok what command do i use to find out what card she has?
01:00<peterS>'lspci | grep Net' will do it, if you have pciutils installed
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01:01<peterS>(I think pciutils is installed by default but I can't remember for certain)
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01:05<peterS>tempus: "Fast Ethernet Controller" sounds like ethernet, not wifi
01:05<peterS>since, you know, it says ethernet
01:06<tempus>yeah thats all its reading
01:06<peterS>(specifically 'fast ethernet' refers to 100 MB/s)
01:06<tempus>it might be turned off via hardware switch on the side of the laptop
01:06<Saasgard>I have a question finally.. :) ... I havnt had one for years but now im taking a course in object oriented C++. The teacher is crap and makes people hate C++, but its not so bad. Now, i need to know how to compute the numbers of the theoretical BigO <- Means the Odalo ... i guess ... So, How do i get the theoretically median of... quicksort: O(m*log2(n)) ?
01:06<tempus>I am trying to figure out which position on the switch is on?
01:07<peterS>tempus: hmmm I wonder if your wifi chip is actually behind a USB bus. you might try 'lsusb' to see. (I'm not sure if wifi chips are often USB - but Bluetooth chips often are anyway.)
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01:07<peterS>Saasgard: that sounds like a homework question, and in particular it is not a Debian question
01:08<peterS>it also has nothing much to do with C++
01:08<peterS>anyway big-O is worst case, isn't it, not median?
01:08<Saasgard>peterS: Yes, it would be homework if it was a prerequisit of the class in question. We are investigating our class systems.
01:09<peterS>tempus: no need to PM
01:09<tempus>ok sorry
01:09<peterS>tempus: a 'logitech receiver' is just your wireless keyboard and mouse, I guess
01:10<tempus>Ok I know she has a wifi card because it worked in Ubuntu
01:10<Saasgard>Im pretty sure that the techer is going to get the boot by us anyhow because he has been misbehaving.
01:11<Saasgard>peter: LabX: Use XYZ, XYZ cannot be used! ... Heheh, can it be more useless ? :)
01:12<Saasgard>I have already fired some teachers for uselessness in their fields. They got the jobs, they didnt deserve them.
01:13<peterS>Saasgard: well anyway, I'm not sure where you got the O(m log n) - what do m and n refer to? there's just one size input, the number of elements to be sorted, no?
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01:13<peterS>I mean, assuming the cost to compare two elements is a constant and not dependent on, say, _their_ sizes
01:13<Saasgard>O(n*log2(n))
01:13<Saasgard>Thats quicksort
01:14<rryoumaa>doesn't matter what base the log is
01:14<Saasgard>The rest is O(n2)
01:14<rryoumaa>(oh this is #debian)
01:14<peterS>also, with big-O notation, the log base isn't important - log2 and ln and log10 will all have the same big-O value
01:14<tempus>wondering why it is not recognizing any sort of card installed?
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01:14<peterS>ninja'd by rryoumaa
01:15<tempus>so which of my issues do you think is more pressing peterS
01:15<Saasgard>The base logarithm is crusial to the effectiveness of the sort and seek algorithms. Yeesh :)
01:15<tempus>the repos or the card?
01:16<peterS>tempus, I have no idea. I don't know why your card doesn't work in Debian and I don't know what you need the repository for.
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01:17<Saasgard>tempus: Do you have something pressing against you ? :)
01:17<peterS>tempus: you might try lspci | grep -i net (note the -i, so it is not case-sensitive - I had you search for "Net" with the capital N earlier - I thought all wifi cards would match that, but it seems perhaps not)
01:18<peterS>tempus: actually I wonder if you followed my initial instructions, typing Net with a capital N. It seems to me if you had done so, it wouldn't have matched the Fast Ethernet controller, as that is listed as 'Ethernet' with a lower-case N
01:18<Saasgard>tempus: Girls can be like that, just ignore them and get work done :)
01:18<tempus>peterS, the repos are not working and I may have used a lower case n let me try it again
01:20<Saasgard>Do so. You should always re-iter and verify.
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01:21<tempus>0b:00.0 Network Controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 082.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
01:21<peterS>there you go. there's your wifi chip
01:21<peterS>as you can probably tell from the '802.11b/g' (:
01:22<tempus>Ok awesome now how do I enable it in LMDE
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01:22<peterS>I have no idea, I've never used lmde. the chip itself uses the b43 driver, I believe, which has been in the Linux kernel (and thus in Debian) for a long time
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01:22<raku>yes but i believe they made a new one and blacklisted the baked in one
01:23<raku>i would google around
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01:23<Saasgard>Un-blacklist ut ... /etc/modules.conf and possible includes
01:23<Saasgard>it
01:23<peterS>well and also you may need b43-fwcutter from contrib, and your windows driver
01:24<Saasgard>Yes, peter is correct. Fw-cutter
01:24<peterS>(the firmware cannot be legally distributed by Debian, hence the software that extracts it from the Windows driver that you should have sitting around somewhere)
01:24<tempus>windows is not installed on that box at all
01:25<tempus>mine is dual boot Vista/Ubuntu for now, hers is fully LMDE
01:25<peterS>oh huh, it actually downloads the windows driver from broadcom's website, so you don't need it locally
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01:26<tempus>ok i guess in order to get Fw-cutter i need to fix my repo issue ...correct?
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01:26<tempus>or is it native?
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01:27<android_paranoid>it's in contrib
01:27<android_paranoid>b43-fwcutter
01:27<android_paranoid>https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/b43-fwcutter
01:28<Saasgard>tempus: Did you buy the only remaining card that only worked for one operating system ? ... Microsoft is finally removing their less then good presence from the OS market. If they hadnt fought OpenGL like they did against all game developers will then their efforts hadnt been totally crappy ... Oh wait... Yeah.
01:30<tempus>Saasgard, no im just still learning how linux works, file system and all and its not that I dont have the desire just some of whats said by more "linux educated folk" goes right over my head simply for lack of experience
01:30<tempus>and yes I hate Microsoft as well
01:30<Saasgard>So, what did microsoft achieve, well... to stall mankind and their gamings.
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01:31<peterS>gentlemen, this is #debian, please don't confuse it with #microsoft_rants
01:32<Saasgard>tempus: And you should, because its really good to see that you perhaps have no viruses or anything in say 10 years time
01:32<tempus>yet linux is everywhere even in most places people dont realize such as android and "Megatouch" gaming systems in entertainment establishments all over the world...lol
01:32<peterS>we don't need the jingoism
01:32<Saasgard>tempus: We like our code and we code it well.
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01:33<tempus>I am working on that Saasgard I am just starting in Devry for the CIS degree
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01:35<Saasgard>tempus: Youll like Linux for Uni studies i guess. We tend to balance it in a way usable by everyone and so on.
01:36<jacky>gentle{wo,}men
01:36<jacky>;)
01:36<raku>ok so i have abox that i did a netinstall of debian 7 on
01:36<tempus>ok so now that I have my gf next to me with her un connected LMDE box and me on My Ubuntu box could you help me get my repos fixed with the contrib repo as well so I can get Fw-cutter
01:36<raku>but i did it without internet
01:36<Saasgard>we will have a chat with any theacher that doesnt conform to the democracy of having more then one operating system.
01:36<android_paranoid>tempus: can you pastebin your sources.list?
01:36<raku>so im only on tty
01:37<tempus>yes I have noticed most of my teachers aim towards MS however they have found more and more students using some form of linux distro
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01:37<raku>and my issue is im trying to get ndiswrapper on it, but when i try to tether it to my tablet it wont connect to the internet
01:38<raku>it will ping and display the ping message of it starting, but there are no responses
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01:38<raku>im not sure what the issue is
01:38<tempus>android_paranoid, I have to get her laptop to the ethernet cord as that is the only way she has net on her LMDE box
01:38<tempus>which I am working on this min
01:39<android_paranoid>have you checked the manpage for sources.list
01:39<android_paranoid>it should have examples along w/ the info
01:40<raku>http://johntellsall.blogspot.com/2011/03/easytether-internet-tethering-for.html this is what i did to tether my android tablet to the box
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01:40<raku>the commands return no errors and ive done a reboot
01:41<Saasgard>I dislike closing down universities. They tend to be rather good people once you get to meet them. But some teachers in individual cases can prove to be impossible to change and therefore removed. Best is to totally ignore their yapping by putting on a good tune: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSb-9Pe96NE
01:41<Fylar>To the person who asked: For Debian, one adds "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable contrib" as a line to the /etc/apt/sources.list file for the contrib repository.
01:42<android_paranoid>yeah where you see "main non-free" etc
01:42<android_paranoid>you just add contrib basically, except on lines with deb-src
01:43<android_paranoid>unless you need the source and it's actually hosted in that repo
01:43<peterS>which it better be. contrib means the source is free, just like main
01:43<raku>any reason why i would be unable to get this to connect to the internet
01:44<Fylar>What exactly is the difference between contrib and main?
01:44<raku>this program has worked before on other linux distros when i needed internet on it
01:44<tempus>ok I am trying to bring her into this chat so she can pastebin
01:45<peterS>Fylar: main is self-contained. contrib has real or conceptual dependencies on external things, such as our non-free repository, or things hosted other places like the broadcom website
01:45<Fylar>Thanks peterS.
01:45<Saasgard>raku: You have a program ?
01:45<raku>im using the easytether app on android
01:46<android_paranoid>Fylar: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html
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01:46<raku>and the .deb for it on linux
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01:46<android_paranoid>section 2.2
01:46<peterS>Fylar: so, e.g., the Adobe Flash plugin downloader lives in contrib, because while the package itself is free software, its only purpose in life is to download and install the Adobe Flash plugin, which is not only _not_ free, but can't even be distributed directly by Debian (so that's why the package has to download it from adobe's website)
01:47<android_paranoid>adobe flash is the penultimate definition of non-free
01:47<Fylar>Thanks. I use PepperFlash.
01:47<Saasgard>raku: Seems like a section alright. So an app isnt doing what you would like it to do ?
01:47<raku>nope
01:47<peterS>android_paranoid: penultimate means next-to-last. what's the last definition, then?
01:47<raku>im not getting interet
01:47<Saasgard>raku: Cant be the first time thats happened :)
01:47<android_paranoid>i'd say microsoft products like windows
01:48<android_paranoid>i mean at least we get a version of flash in some form
01:48<raku>nope, usualy tethers fine on most distros ive used
01:48<android_paranoid>which works in linux
01:48<Fylar>raku: are you trying to install an OS?
01:48<raku>nope
01:48<peterS>android_paranoid: I dunno, if you want a scale of free to non-free, there's stuff out there far less free than your average Microsoft product
01:48<raku>im trying to get internet to work
01:48<android_paranoid>though i dont have flash installed personally, i only have 1 package from non-free which is my wifi driver
01:48<raku>already have a stripped down verison of debian on here
01:48<Saasgard>Microsoft isnt going to make anymore operating systems. They got beat.
01:48<raku>only have tty availible
01:48<tempus>ok this is weird I have her connected via ethernet and she is Xchat debian channel and none of our convo is showing up
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01:49<raku>tempus:are other internet related things working
01:49<tempus>I have the laptops next to each other how do I modify the sources.list
01:49<peterS>tempus: maybe it's not on the same IRC server. we're on irc.debian.org aka oftc.net, maybe your other IRC client is on some other network
01:49<tempus>yes I am on here via wifi
01:49<android_paranoid>tempus: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
01:49<raku>no no, i meant on the laptop
01:49<android_paranoid>as a super user
01:50<Saasgard>I think they should make electric cars go long-range like they have begun work on. To do something meaningful.
01:50<android_paranoid>it's a plaintext file
01:50<peterS>android_paranoid: he tried that, literally, with the 'edit' command, which isn't what you think it is
01:50<Saasgard>For a change.
01:50<peterS>android_paranoid: so, um, be more specific (:
01:50<raku>nano
01:50<Saasgard>gedit
01:50<raku>do su -c "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
01:50<android_paranoid>edit it w/ w/e text editor you're using is what i really meant
01:50<Saasgard>Why complicate things
01:50<Fylar>tempus: "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
01:50<ncl>sudo apt edit-sources
01:50<android_paranoid>sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
01:51<Fylar>lol
01:51<ncl>get with the future guys
01:51<Saasgard>echo "Hello" >> file.txt
01:51<Fylar>repetitiveness
01:51<peterS>ncl: yes, well, in #debian we don't like to assume someone's on unstable
01:51<peterS>or even jessie which I see has the new apt now
01:51<ncl>:>
01:51<android_paranoid>i always rock weezy
01:52<raku>i just need this tether to work for a bit so i can get ndiswrapper so i can install the drivers for my wifi card
01:52<Saasgard>Rocking is sweet, but to really rock you need to be rocking Mr Raki android_paranoid
01:52<Saasgard>:)
01:53<tempus>peterS, on irc.debian.org what is the newserver she was in linuxmint server so I added it to the list and its not connecting
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01:54<android_paranoid>we're on irc.oftc.net
01:54<Fylar>I just love Debian for its stability. Ubuntu->crashes when some programs are run (it just always adds unstable packages). Fedora->whenever you try to install something, there are conflicting packages.
01:54<android_paranoid>or i am at least
01:54<Saasgard>oftc.net, verified.
01:54<raku>tempus:do ctrl+t, a new tab should open
01:54<raku>then do /server irc.debian.org
01:55<raku>close any dialog that comes up if any then do /join #debian
01:55<tempus>the sources list was empty
01:56<Fylar>what!?
01:56<Fylar>okay
01:56<Fylar>are you in the correct folder?
01:56<Fylar>it's /etc/apt
01:57<tempus>yes i did that
01:57<Fylar>the file is "sources.list"
01:57<raku>so
01:57<raku>ifconfig isn't owrking
01:57<tempus>i did that and its empty
01:57<raku>man, this install is missing a lot of stuff
01:57<android_paranoid>tempus: you can use netselect-apt to generate a new one
01:58<Fylar>tempus: go to this website: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
01:58<tempus>ok i will try
01:58<ncl>raku: try /sbin/ifconfig? /sbin isn't always in $PATH
01:58<Fylar>tempus: it will help you generate the sources you are looking for
01:58<Saasgard>4 people troling themselves... thats new :)
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01:59<raku>ok ya
01:59<Saasgard>Damn kids today :)
01:59<raku>it displays the tether interface
01:59<raku>i dont see why it wont connect...
01:59<Saasgard>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKTZlB1ffCY
02:00<ncl>raku: what's the output of /sbin/route
02:00<raku>actually
02:00<raku>excuse me
02:00<raku>it is working
02:00<raku>i was only trying to ping
02:00<raku>i never actually tried ans pt-get update
02:00<raku>wich was what i was havign issues with in the first place
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02:01<Saasgard>Want US to ping a bit ?
02:01<tempus>you know its lmde and not debian?
02:01<Saasgard>Raki ?
02:01<Fylar>Saasgard:nice metal music
02:01<Saasgard>Fylar: Yeah, its sweet
02:01<Saasgard>thx
02:02<raku>i'd like to excuse myself in advance if i accidentaly spam any termianl commands in here, its late here and i have two keyboards on my lap
02:02<Saasgard>No worries Raki
02:03<Fylar>I wonder. Can Ubuntu and Linux Mint use the debian repositories. I think they can.
02:03<Saasgard>If its got the same glibc-schematic
02:04<Saasgard>you see, glibc is the core of what the kernel runs upon.
02:04<somiaj>Fylar: sure you can, but you will be entering a world of pain!
02:05<Fylar>Saasgard: yeah. if only debian would add the latest version of glibc, we would all be happy.
02:05<raku>alright here we go
02:05<raku>ndiswrapper is installing
02:06<somiaj>raku: are you sure you need that? What network card do you have? Do you have the pciid of the card please.
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02:06<Fylar>somiaj: What do you mean? Ubuntu has its own .deb format, but it's also compatible with the Debian .deb format, right?
02:06<Saasgard>It also needs a few other packages. Fylar, if you want to really know how you can run a Linux system you can try LFS and BLFS. Knowing these parts lets you build your own distro but its much work unless you automate it.. also much work but totally cool.
02:06<somiaj>Fylar: I meant it is possible, but it is a very bad move.
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02:07<Saasgard>Perhaps 35 people in the worlds knows how to make their own dists.
02:07<somiaj>Fylar: do to how debian uses shared libaries dependcies and versions are fairly important and mixing from different debian reopos is bad enough, going to a different os with different core policys will eventally leave your machine in a bad state.
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02:08<Saasgard>tens of thousands code for the dists
02:08<Fylar>somiaj: Yeah. I guess.
02:08<Fylar>Saasgard: That sounds really cool. I think I'll try it soon.
02:08<raku>i know i need it because ive installed the card before
02:08<raku>and ive needed this
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02:09<Saasgard>Fylar: Do this when you know how you want your dist to be.
02:10<somiaj>raku: how long ago and what debian version was that. I aws just gonna double check for ya, many cards do not need the wrapper anymore
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02:10<Saasgard>Only the amount of determination can stop anyone... almost, so to speak :)
02:10<somiaj>raku: anyways I was gonna look up your card as a double check was all. Who knows maybe you'll get lucky and there is a module in the kernel for it now.
02:11<raku>ive researched this heavily
02:11<raku>its a netgear wg311v3
02:11<raku>an oooolldddd card
02:11<somiaj>Fylar: The nice way to get newer software in debian or software that isn't packaged is to compile it from source so it links against your core debian libaries and lives nicely
02:11<somiaj>Fylar: once ya get use to this you do have a lot more you can do. Note things like glibc are a core compoent, I wouldn't upgrade that since everything else depends on it.
02:12<tempus>what is it to save the changes in nano
02:12<Fylar>somiaj: Good idea. That's one thing I have not considered.
02:12<Fylar>tempus: ctrl+x, and then y
02:13<raku>alright its worked
02:13<raku>i can see it in iwconfig
02:13<somiaj>Fylar: this is what is called backporting, and debian does provide wheezy-backports with some newer software already done for you. Some you may have to do yourself. Works great for some things, others not so much (such as upgrading all of xfce, way to much going on there)
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02:14<tempus>file main to write : /etc/apt/sources.list
02:15<raku>how would i set up a wireless connection from tty
02:15<Saasgard>somiaj: To be able to upgrade it --- dist-upgrade is very important though. Its one of the hardest tasks when coding to make an operating system the best it can possibly be. Debian/Ubuntu is ok, but it asks if i want to keep old packages that wont work anyhow so that question should be removed.
02:16<Saasgard>But its the best system to upgrade glibc on. I cant remember when it didnt work.
02:16<somiaj>Saasgard: use aptitude if you want auto packages automatically removed when the dependencies are removed. apt-get is a bit simipler and dose not assume you want to remove them unless you run autoremove.
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02:17<somiaj>s/dependencies/reverse dependencies/
02:17<Saasgard>Fedora isnt very nice on upgrades. But its hopefully getting there some YEAR soon :)
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02:18<Fylar>There's one thing I've been wondering for a long time. How do you only add a single package of a repo (like "experimental") to your sources list so that your system doesn't try to install the latest experimental of every package?
02:18<Saasgard>somiaj: MmHmm. Excellent! :)
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02:18<somiaj>Fylar: again you do not want to do this, you should be more worried about pulling in core packges that the thing from say sid you want depends on.
02:19<somiaj>!tell Fylar about ssb
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02:19<sydney>Ok so this is the LMDE machine everyone
02:19<somiaj>Fylar: that is a basic set of instructions that for simple single package software allows you to automate the building process and creating a .deb that is complatable with wheezy
02:19<sydney>and I used that sources list to generate repos and it doesnt work
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02:19<somiaj>sydney: you don't want to use LMDE sources on wheezy, use offical wheezy sources.
02:20<sydney>this laptop is on LMDE
02:20<somiaj>sydney: do you want contrib and non-free included in your sources?
02:20<Fylar>somiaj: You've saved my day.
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02:20<sydney>LMDE cinnamon
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02:21<somiaj>sydney: this is not a support room from LMDE
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02:21<Saasgard>somiaj: I wrote a package manager some years ago. Hideously bloated when i look at it now, but i have no time to fix it with all the uni studies atm. But it compiles an LFS + BLFS-system with some commands so im liking it somewhat. Clearly better then what other have made.
02:21<sydney>I am just trying to update my repos as nothing will update then I can get the wifi card working
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02:22<sydney>Saasgard: this is tempus I got the other laptop on here
02:22<Fylar>somiaj: is the package called ssb? I can't find it.
02:23<somiaj>Fylar: the issue is say you want to install package X on your system. Well package X was built on unstable, so it now wants to bring in unstable core dependeices. so now you have not only package X (which is probabaly fine to have) you have core packages A,B,C on your system that are also from unstable, and these may not work well with all of your other software. Hence why we don't want to mix repos. If you use wheezy don't add ...
02:23<somiaj>... sources that are not built to be compadable with wheezy. (:
02:23<somiaj>Fylar: I told a bot in this room to send you a factiod in a private message, in it he has a set of instructions known as a 'simple sid backport' for how to comiple say sid software on wheezy.
02:24<somiaj>Fylar: again this is hit and miss, the bigger the procject the more it could take more than a simple backport.
02:24<Fylar>somiaj: Thanks.
02:24<somiaj>sydney: are you running debian wheezy on the laptop you are trying to get working?
02:25<tempus>no running LMDE cinnamon and I have been talking to a few people in here for a min now that have been helping
02:26<tempus>I am running a Debian edition so it is relevant to a debian channel
02:26<somiaj>tempus: then you are in the wrong room.
02:26<somiaj>!lmde
02:26<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
02:26<Saasgard>sydney: soft :)
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02:28<Saasgard>I made a yatzy app for android if anyone wants to test it. I like it, but id like to know if you like it ?... http://dalalven.dtdns.net/linux/android-apps/Yatttzy.apk
02:28<tempus>somiaj, Linux Mint DEBIAN edition
02:28<tempus>based on DEBIAN
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02:29<somiaj>tempus: Yes I know it is based on debian, it is still not supported here
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02:30<tempus>somiaj, and is it not possible that 1 or more of the 623 users here might know or have dealt with the same issue, I have tried linuxmint irc and no one is there
02:30<Saasgard>Ive gotten many job offers from the android codings. But what can i can get jobs on nowdays ... 37...
02:31<tempus>Saasgard, im sure cyanogenmod could use your skills
02:31<somiaj>Saasgard: do you have any debian related topics to discuss, if not you may find #debian-offtopic
02:31<Fylar>tempus: Oh gosh. The Linux Mint community is not horrible. It's just nonexistant.
02:32<Saasgard>Im taking Assembly, perl, python, C, C++, Java. As much object oriented as they can be, but C++ (I dont like this teacher)
02:32<Saasgard>Okies
02:33<Fylar>My teachers are pdf files from torrents.
02:33<somiaj>Part of the distro you choose is the community. We are volunters here because we want to support debian.
02:33<tempus>Fylar, same here
02:33<Saasgard>Calmness is the equivalent of coolness
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02:34<Fylar>Saasgard: What assembly architecture?
02:34<tempus>somiaj well I was going to go with wheezy but its made with more of a curve, I was hoping to make another step toward Debian with a debian based distro as Ubuntu once was but now has gotten as bad as MS
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02:35<Saasgard>Fylar: Intel/AMD/32
02:35<tempus>somiaj we all have to start somewhere and I still have a lot to learn
02:36<Fylar>tempus: jump off into the deep end of the pool to learn how to swim. it works
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02:36<tempus>somiaj I honestly looked for support trying to find ways to make a bootable usb with deb 7 wheezy and it seems to be above my experience level a bit
02:37<somiaj>tempus: well when ya decide to take the jump to wheezy.
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02:37<tempus>Fylar, or you really mess something up
02:37<Fylar>somiaj: try "unetbootin"
02:37<Saasgard>Fylar :)
02:37<Saasgard>Be nice
02:37<somiaj>tempus: actually the debian iso are already made to be bootable so you just need write them directally to the usb drive. Various tools to do that.
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02:37<tempus>tried thatr
02:37<tempus>that
02:37<somiaj>Fylar: that tool has a chance of making a debian iso unbootable. You want to use a direct copy tool. In windows win32diskimage is what we suggest
02:38<Fylar>Tempus: use unetbootin
02:38<tempus>tdo I need to put all 8 disks onto 1 usb or just the first 1
02:38<somiaj>tempus: in a linux base distro this is how easy it is to make a usb bootable with a debian iso, 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdb' where /dev/sdb is the device of your usb drive
02:38<somiaj>tempus: just the first, you can get away with the netinstall, if you are going to use wifi I'd suggest the nonfree net isntall image
02:39<somiaj>Fylar: that is bad advise, debian iso are hybrid and are already bootable. unetbootin is overkill and in many cases will make the thing unbootable
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02:39<somiaj>or if it is bootable nake it not able to find the usb in the installer
02:39<Fylar>tempus: just the first. the others are other optional programs you'll probably never install
02:39<tempus>i have 6 of the disks downloaded and copied the 1st to usb and it was not recognized as bootable
02:39<somiaj>tempus: how did you copy it to the usb
02:40<tempus>hence why i ended up with LMDE
02:40<Fylar>somiaj: no wonder...
02:40<somiaj>tempus: notice I am coping it to the usb device, not to the filesystem
02:40<Saasgard>Cool, i have your land lines. Im not sure why but its not booring i guess.
02:40<Saasgard>How are you doing ?
02:40<somiaj>Fylar: debian makes really nice iso that just need to be written to the system with a direct copy. cp, cat and dd in linux all can do it. win32diskimager (or something like that) is a simple win32 tool that will do it
02:41<raku>ok
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02:41<raku>so i got ndiswrapper on it, loaded the driver, rebooted
02:41<raku>did the commands to give the card an ssid and password
02:41<raku>and the green slight on it is blinking
02:41<raku>but internet isn't working
02:42<raku>actually
02:42-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@c83-255-128-112.bredband.comhem.se] by ChanServ
02:43<raku>iwconfig reports its not associated to anything
02:43<Fylar>somiaj: I've heard of it. Does copying the cd with cp extract the iso automatically? Doesn't copying the first debian cd to the thumbdrive just copy the installer?
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02:44<somiaj>Fylar: the iso is the exact image you want on the device. there is no extracting it, just putting the image on the device (this contains the bootloader (both mbr and efi) along with the partition table and everythying. so once the direct copy is done you have yoru install media ready, no need for fancy tools
02:45<somiaj>raku: how are you trying to configure your network card now? Are you wanting to use the /etc/network/interfaces file or some tool like network-manager
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02:45<Fylar>somiaj: when putting the image onto my dvd, booting from it results in the debian installer loading up. What's to say it works differently for a thumbdrive?
02:45<somiaj>Fylar: the problem is tools like unetbootin actually try to not only write the image to the usb drive, make it bootable which then cloobers the stuff already setup
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02:46<somiaj>Fylar: it works exactally the same, only difference is you 'burn the image' to a dvd, the question is how od you write the image to your usb drive. As I said 'cp' works jsut fine for this
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02:47<Fylar>somiaj: Yeah. I've noticed unetbootin really screwing around with most of the operating systems i tried to put onto usb.
02:47<raku>i did iwconfig wlan0 essid "network-name"
02:47<somiaj>putting the image on the usb is different than copying the image onto the file system on the device.
02:47<raku>then iwconfig wlan0 key s:password
02:47<somiaj>raku: I see doing it manually, did you ifconfig wlan0 up first? (I think that may be needed)
02:47<somiaj>raku: personally I use the interfaces file for this and the ifup/down scripts
02:48<raku>i did
02:48<Fylar>somiaj: Isn't burning the iso to dvd the same thing as copying the files within to the usb root?
02:48<raku>okay ill check that
02:48<raku>what would i type
02:48<somiaj>Fylar: no the image contains more than the files, it also contains the file system the files are lviing on (and any partition setup including boot records and the likes)
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02:49<Fylar>somiaj: ah. thanks.
02:49<raku>hat should i put in the interfaces file somiaj
02:49<somiaj>since cds/dvds dont' have an image on them (they are blank) you have to first create the .iso image and burn it. Now some software does this on the fly, but I prefer to take teh image first
02:49<somiaj>raku: a wpa network?
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02:50<raku>its wpa/wpa2 mixed
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02:51<somiaj>raku: http://paste.debian.net/94635/
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02:51<somiaj>raku: those three lines should be enough. then just run 'ifup wlan0=mynetwork'
02:51<somiaj>call it what ever you want this way you can store multiple networks in the file
02:52<raku>will it autoconnect
02:52<somiaj>I'm assuming you wanted dhcp there
02:52<somiaj>raku: no, if you want it to auto connect you need an auto line in there
02:52<raku>where
02:52<somiaj>raku: if you wanted it to auto connect (i.e. you only use one network) just call the network 'wlan0' the actually device
02:52<somiaj>raku: then put a line int eh same file 'auto wlan0'
02:52<somiaj>if you want some tool that detects what network you are close to and then connect you'll need a network manager
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02:53<raku>my plan for this box is to have it with nox monitor or keyboard and i just ssh into it
02:53<somiaj>note you may be able to do 'auto wlan0=mynetwork' but I'm unsure as I have never used alais on my auto up networks
02:53<somiaj>okay call mynetwork 'wlan0' and then put that auto wlan0 in there
02:53<raku>its mean to be a host for some small gameservers
02:53<somiaj>this also mean you can just do 'ifup wlan0'
02:54<raku>ok
02:54<raku>so to reiterate
02:54<raku>type iface wlan0 inet dhcp
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02:56<raku>where do i put the auto line
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02:57<somiaj>raku: in the same file, '/etc/network/interfaces'
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02:57<somiaj>just dont indent it so either before or after the other few lines
02:57<PHeanEX>what is the easiest way for a given debian package to download recursively all packages this package depends on without installing them?
02:58<orneryolphart>Howdy y'all. I'm on my husband's account, to ask a question for him. He has rheumatoid arthritis and other serious issues with his hands which render typing extremely painful. What is the best speech recognition software available for Debian?
02:58<orneryolphart>He needs it for both commands (loading programs, etc.) and in place of typing.
02:59<orneryolphart>We've Googled, but aren't finding any definitive answers and he'd really rather not use Windows.
02:59<somiaj>PHeanEX: apt-get has a --download-only flag or something similar, check the man page
03:00<PHeanEX>somiaj: but it seems it does just download the given package not recurively the depending packages
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03:02<Fylar>orneryolphart: I don't know of any speech recognition programs, but you should consider the Dvorak keyboard layout. It makes typing a lot easier on the fingers. "QWERTY was developed to slow down typewriters so that they didn't jam. Dvorak was designed for keyboards so that people could type more efficiently. It also has health benefits when compared to QWERTY.
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03:03<somiaj>PHeanEX: did you do apt-get download foo, or apt-get --download-only install foo
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03:04<orneryolphart>He says he's familiar with the rationale behind QWERTY and DVORAK. We're 56 yrs old, took typing in high school. He's tried DVORAK keyboards, but after 40+ yr of QWERTY, found it very difficult.
03:04<somiaj>orneryolphart: I am not sure of what is out there or how well it would work, but it seems there is a project out there to include debian accessibility for cases such as your husbands, maybe start reading here https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-accessibility/
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03:04<tweek>can someone explain this - 'aptitude --without-recommends install ~t^standard$ ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$' - to me? i find nothing about the meaning of '~t^' or '$' in the aptitude manual. i think it has something to do with tasksel, but i don't quite get it.
03:04<somiaj>I see some links about different speach software
03:05<raku>ok so somiaj to confirm
03:05<raku>add a new line that says auto wlan0
03:05<somiaj>tweek: the ~t are tasks, so that says install the standard task the desktop task and the kde-desktop task, though not sure why both are there, desktop would be gnome
03:05<orneryolphart>somiaj, thank you. That's a start. We've downloaded the sphinx software and have been checking for other options.
03:05<Fylar>I had a difficult time learning a new keyboard layout as well, but there is a great program called "gtypist" that has a whole section on Dvorak that gives hours of (torturously useful) lessons.
03:06<somiaj>raku: correct, and we can test it if you like, but lets frist get your wifi card up and online with the interfaces file before we worry about making it automatic
03:07<PHeanEX>somiaj: lets try it with an example: mysql-server; apt-get download mysql-server just downloads me the virtual package, not the actual mysql package nor dependencies, apt-get --download-only install mysql-server needs root, and if i use root, then it does not download anything if the package is already installed
03:07<orneryolphart>Fylar, that's the problem. With his health issues, the term "torturous" would be literally true.
03:07<raku>its working
03:07<orneryolphart>He's a writer by trade, so this is an economic issue as well as comfort.
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03:07<orneryolphart>(and he really, REALLY hates Windows)
03:08<raku>ok im going to try a reboot
03:08<somiaj>PHeanEX: okay lest use aptitude, this should work
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03:08<tweek>somiaj: are the ^ and $ regex? it looks like, but it doesn't make any sense to me
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03:08<somiaj>tweek: aptitude has its own method for searching, http://www.algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html
03:09<somiaj>tweek: http://www.algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#searchTask
03:09<raku>yep
03:09<somiaj>tweek: ~t means task, the very next thing that follows it is what it matches to
03:09<raku>it autoconnects
03:09<somiaj>raku: (:
03:09<raku>thank you very much
03:09<raku>this has been quite the hassle but i think it was worth it
03:09<tweek>somiaj: oh, thats the documentation that i was missing here, thanks
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03:10<Fylar>orneryolphart: If you're not adverse to using WINE, you could try the "Dragon NaturallySpeaking" program for Windows under it.
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03:11<somiaj>PHeanEX: my first way may not always work as it will only download the direct depends of your package, but it may not download the depends of depends, but here
03:11<PHeanEX>somiaj: apt-rdepends + a download button would be nice ;-D
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03:11<raku>ok somiaj on more question, how do i make it so i can ssh into the box
03:11<orneryolphart>Fylar, e says he can live with WINE, but asks "Doesn't that limit one to using it in conjunction with programs within WINE?"
03:12<somiaj>PHeanEX: aptitude download ?reverse-depends(mysql-server)
03:12<somiaj>raku: apt-get install ssh
03:13<PHeanEX>somiaj: not the right syntax?
03:14<raku>alright it installed what next
03:15<Fylar>orneryolphart: No. Such a restriction only applies when using a virtual machine (and in some cases not even then). There is, however, a program that I just found called Xvoice. It is currently only packaged for rpm systems, but with the program called "alien" you can convert it so that it can be used on deb systems.
03:15<raku>im assuming i need to setup an openssh server
03:15<somiaj>PHeanEX: this may be easier syntax (I'm still novis with this)
03:15<somiaj>raku: it shoudl be setup and running, ssh away
03:15<somiaj>PHeanEX: aptitude download ~RBmysql-server
03:15<wigust>Phoenix: As an alternative use VM with Debian Standard and apt-get --download-only install <package>
03:15<somiaj>PHeanEX: if that doesn't work because it doens't do depends of depends, this notation of aptitude is smart enough you can make a loop that will
03:16<somiaj>wigust: if he was gonna use tha tmethod I woudl suggest just use debootstrap and do it inside of a minimial chroot
03:16<somiaj>far easier than a vm in my opinion
03:16<raku>and with ssh i wont need to login to the box i can login through ssh
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03:16<somiaj>raku: correct, and you can use key authentication as well
03:16<PHeanEX>wigust: this will be hard to automate ;-)
03:17<raku>how would i change the port it uses?
03:17<orneryolphart>Fylar, he says, "Ah, that's why it wasn't in the Debian repos. I had found reference to it via Google. I'll get it, either via alien or compile from source. I assume the latter is available." Thank you, very, very much!
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03:18<Fylar>ornaryolphart: it's also available as source. you're welcome
03:18<somiaj>PHeanEX: did that aptitude command work (i'm kinda coruious, it started downloading some reverese depends for me but didn't see if it made it all teh way though)
03:18<PHeanEX>somiaj: no it didnt
03:18<somiaj>PHeanEX: it seemed to work now I got the syntax correct, give it a whirl
03:19<PHeanEX>somiaj: btw where does it download the packages to?
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03:19<somiaj>PHeanEX: cwd
03:19<PHeanEX>nothing in there
03:19<PHeanEX>somiaj: "aptitude download ~RBmysql-server" -> cwd empty
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03:21<somiaj>PHeanEX: http://paste.debian.net/94640/
03:21<somiaj>PHeanEX: doesn't seem it does depends of depends, now to have it do a loop
03:21<PHeanEX>somiaj: doesnt work for me somehow ..
03:23<Fylar>Okay. Here's a question that's bothered me for months: What is keychain and what are keyrings (not the shiny metal objects)?
03:23<somiaj>PHeanEX: oh I see what my problem is, anyways lets not download yet
03:24<somiaj>PHeanEX: try this, aptitude search "?reverse-depends(mysql-server)"
03:24<somiaj>PHeanEX: do you see a list of packages that depends on
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03:24<PHeanEX>somiaj: yes, but without the explicitly needed versions of those packages like in "apt-rdepends mysql-server"
03:24<somiaj>Fylar: ssl or tls keys of some sort
03:25<somiaj>PHeanEX: well it just finds package names, hopefully you repo is clean enough, you could output versions but not to worried
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03:25<somiaj>PHeanEX: just replace 'search' with 'download' and it will download tha tlist
03:25<somiaj>of the right version
03:26<raku>somiaj, last question
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03:26<raku>willl the ssh daemon sart on boot?
03:26<somiaj>Fylar: they are used to ensure security, apt uses them to ensure that you are getting your packges from the server you want them to and some man in the middle isn't feeding you compermised packges.
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03:26<somiaj>raku: yes
03:26<raku>alright
03:26<somiaj>raku: (well by default yes)
03:26<raku>thank ou so so so so so so so so so much
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03:26<somiaj>Fylar: a key ring is a pice of software that stores multiple keys of coursee
03:27<Fylar>somiaj: Thanks a ton.
03:27<janus>Morning all - does anyone know how to change password ubuntu 12.04
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03:28<Fylar>janus: Wouldn't that question be better suited for the Ubuntu IRC?
03:28<somiaj>janus: yes go use ubuntu support and ask them
03:28<janus>some reason no tab for help
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03:29<Fylar>Just post a question on the main channel.
03:29<somiaj>!ubuntu
03:29<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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03:30<Fylar>Why is the bot named dpkg? Isn't that just a package tool?
03:30<PHeanEX>somiaj: it works, at least it downloads some packages, apt-rdepends mysql-server still gives me a lot more dependencies (is aptitude missing some?)
03:31<babilen>Fylar: We needed a name, that name came up, everybody liked it, yay
03:32<PHeanEX>somiaj: just take a look at "apt-rdepends mysql-server | sort | uniq | grep Depends:"
03:32<Fylar>babilen: such lack of creativity
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03:33<Fylar>They should have called it something along the lines of IngeniousBot.
03:33<somiaj>PHeanEX: well if you have a list already, take that list and pipe it into xargs apt-get download
03:36<PHeanEX>somiaj: did this and it downloads a lot more now => aptitude way not complete/correct ?
03:38<somiaj>oh I wonder if aptitude isn't downloading things that aren't installed, that is strange
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03:38<somiaj>yea that is what is happening here, aptitudes list is full, but I wasn't downloading isntalled debs
03:39<somiaj>or maybe it doesn't download thigns that are in /var/cache/apt/archives/
03:39<PHeanEX>somiaj: ok that's not so nice
03:42<somiaj>well according to the manpage it should work, I wonder why it isn't
03:43<PHeanEX>somiaj: okay but the apt-rdepends method with a for loop seems to work quite nicely, do you know of any way to tell apt-get download/or aptitude to download for another architecture than the current one?
03:43<somiaj>it should download teh exact same list as the aptitude search "?reverse-depends(mysql-server)" shows, but in my case adduser is in that list but not being downloaded and I wonder if it because it is installed
03:43<somiaj>PHeanEX: na apt wont' know about stuff for other aches that are not enabled.
03:43<somiaj>PHeanEX: what is it you are trying to do, I think we have an XY problem here
03:46<somiaj>PHeanEX: actually how many packages should I get (did you get) for teh full reverse depends?
03:46<PHeanEX>somiaj: yep lets backstep ;-): company builds software -> i build debian package out of it -> sometimes new dependencies are added -> update package-repository(reprepro) -> build custom debian cd with all necessary packages on it
03:48<PHeanEX>somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/94641/
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03:50<somiaj>I almost think using apt-rdepends is giving you way more packages than needed, I don't see why mysql-server should depend on gcc-4.9-base (bit it is in that list
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03:52<PHeanEX>http://paste.debian.net/94642/
03:52<babilen>Does it differ from "apt-cache rdpends $FOO" (or the equivalent aptitude incantation) ?
03:52<babilen>s/rdpends/rdepends
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03:52<somiaj>babilen: seems to be a large difference to me
03:52<PHeanEX>babilen: this way seems to give also not all packages
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03:54<PHeanEX>somiaj: gcc seems necessary since mysql-server -> mysql-server-5.5->debconf->perl-base->dpkg->libbz2->libc6->libgcc1->gcc
03:55<PHeanEX>somiaj: maybe aptitude does not respect PreDepends?
03:57<PHeanEX>somiaj: seem to be 61 packages
03:58<somiaj>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/94643/ vs http://paste.debian.net/94645/
03:59<somiaj>PHeanEX: aptitude comes up with adduser wich is a predepends, so I dont think that is the case, I did see a bug in teh man page
03:59<somiaj>apt-rdepends also does not know how to stop after a certain depth has been reached. -- maybe it digs extra stuff up, but I'm not really sure. Seems to be a big difference
04:00<babilen>somiaj: Ah, apt-rdepends gives the transitive closure of "apt-cache rdepends"
04:00<PHeanEX>somiaj: we dont want apt-rdepends to stop dont we?
04:00<PHeanEX>simaj: this is what i would also expect from the aptitude way
04:01<babilen>PHeanEX: You can tab-complete nicknames in here. Try "bab<TAB>" or "som<TAB>" :)
04:01<PHeanEX>babilen: ah thanks that makes it a lot easier ;-D
04:02<somiaj>babilen: did the aptitude command actually miss repends, think you need to do a forloop in its logic to go though teh reverse depends of all the packages it finds or is it's list sufficent?
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04:03<babilen>somiaj: Well, it depends. Packages naturally only state their immediate dependencies and don't really care what those packages depend on as that would mean hardcoding implementation details (and would also make it impossible to maintain)
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04:04<somiaj>yea I was thinking that, but mysql-server only really depends on one package, so aptitude is doing some depth but wasn't sure how complete it was going.
04:04<babilen>somiaj: In a way both are useful for different applications, but I've personally only ever needed apt-cache rdepends, but I guess that apt-rdepends might have its uses too. The stuff I can think of immediately is, however, handled by judd (judd: why $PKG1 $PKG2 -- is there a chain between those packages?)
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04:05<babilen>somiaj: rdepends == reverse dependencies so *other* packages might depend on mysql-server
04:05<PHeanEX>babilen: we need it the other way round
04:05<somiaj>babilen: yea I think this is an XY problem, but not sure the best suggestion for PHeanEX actual problem. (:
04:06<PHeanEX>somiaj: ill have to test it and then ill see when i try to install it
04:06<babilen>What is PHeanEX actual problem?
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04:07<babilen>PHeanEX: And do you mean that you want depends and not rdepends ?
04:07<PHeanEX>babilen: (09:43:03) PHeanEX: somiaj: okay but the apt-rdepends method with a for loop seems to work quite nicely, do you know of any way to tell apt-get download/or aptitude to download for another architecture than the current one?
04:07<PHeanEX>babilen: what i need are all the packages that a given packages needs to be installed in order to be installed -> depends?
04:08<somiaj>I think is actual problem is as his company's software changes he needs to pull all a set of debs off a repo so he can make a cdrom out of it.
04:08<PHeanEX>somiaj: check
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04:08<somiaj>i.e. he wants every single package that is needed to install package foo on say a 'blank' debian sytem (though I would make my target say a standard base system)
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04:09<PHeanEX>somiaj: the idea was to use the current debian stable as the base
04:09<somiaj>PHeanEX: is this gonna be an installer or would it be safe to assume the standard base system is there?
04:09<babilen>Every package behaves that way simply by stating its immediate dependencies
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04:10<PHeanEX>somiaj: at the moment we just use a official debian cd and enhance it with our packages and maybe preseed and stuff
04:10<babilen>The rest of the packages are installed simply by calculating the transitive closure and sorting the dependency graph topologically
04:11<babilen>PHeanEX: And you want to include *all* packages that might be needed by your software in addition to those that are already on whatever CD it is you are using?
04:11<PHeanEX>babilen: fyi the system this distribution will be installed on will have no internet access -> all the packages have to be on board ;-)
04:13<babilen>PHeanEX: You can probably write some code to compute the transitive closure based on some loops and "apt-cache depends", but I'd ask in #debian-cd as they will most likely have a tool already to decide which packages to put on which CD/DVD/BD
04:13<PHeanEX>babilen: its actually really simple: we have a standard debian stable cd + our debian package, what we need is a complete cd/dvd to install the system with our software
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04:14<PHeanEX>babilen: the problem with debian-cd is that it at the moment still need a full local debianrepo-clone, which is too much and the no_mirror branch of sledge isnt stable yet
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04:14<babilen>PHeanEX: Yes, I understand what you are trying to achieve, but I have never worked on a similar problem and am therefore in very much the same position you are in right now. I'd ask #debian-cd if they are aware of a tool to compute the transitive closure of package dependencies you are after.
04:14<babilen>PHeanEX: I am referring to #debian-cd the IRC channel
04:14<somiaj>do you think apt-rdepends is not doing a good enough job at that?
04:15<PHeanEX>babilen: i think it does
04:15<babilen>No, apt-rdepends has it the other way round. If you run "apt-rdepends MYCOMPANYPKG" you would get all packages that depend on your package not all packages it depends on.
04:16<PHeanEX>babilen: somiaj: shouldnt i be save if i take the package-pool which is on the official debian cd , put additionally all the packages on it that apt-rdepends gives me + our software => done?
04:16<babilen>no
04:16<babilen>You want "apt-cache depends YOURPKG" + recursive calls for all other packages (i.e. transitive closure of "apt-cache depends)
04:17<somiaj>babilen: sure you aren't backwards (I seem to get them confused) but from the output it apt-rdepends first finds the mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.5, it then finds all the pacakges mysql-server-5.5 depends on, and keeps going.
04:17<babilen>PHeanEX: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reachability for some applicable algorithms
04:18<PHeanEX>babilen: yeah but i think apt-rdepends gives us that already
04:18<PHeanEX>babilen: man apt-rdepends
04:18<babilen>somiaj: I might have misunderstood what apt-rdepends does (due to a misunderstanding of "rdepends" as "reverse dependency" rather than "recursive dependencies")
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04:19<PHeanEX>babilen: from the manual of apt-rdepends : apt-rdepends - performs recursive dependency listings similar to apt-cache
04:19<babilen>"rdepends" is typically used as "reverse dependency" in the context of other tools (apt-cache, aptitude, ...)
04:19<babilen>PHeanEX: Yeah, sounds as if it is what you want then.
04:20<PHeanEX>babilen: okay great then ;-)
04:20<babilen>Bad name for that tool then
04:20<somiaj>I think it agrees with aptitude
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04:20<somiaj>"for instance, ?depends(libpng3) will match any package that depends on libpng3."
04:21<somiaj>because it is just earching the Depends: for libpng3 and returning the list of packages that depend on libpng3
04:21<babilen>somiaj: "?reverse-depType(pattern), ~R[depType:]pattern" is what I think of as "rdepends"
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04:23<PHeanEX>babilen: somiaj: i think i got my answer ;-), Thanks for your help
04:23<somiaj>PHeanEX: no problem, I'm more couris myself because I seem to mess up rdepends and depends all the time, search for one when I mean the other, so I'm trying to straighten my own mind out
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04:23<babilen>Yeah, packages from the base system (or standard task) + apt-rdepends output will be okay. That doesn't seem to cover recommends though.
04:23<PHeanEX>somiaj: i guess most of the time we need depends
04:24<PHeanEX>babilen: recommends?
04:24<somiaj>strong but not absolute depends
04:24<somiaj>packages you should also install
04:24<babilen>PHeanEX: Yes, you should adapt "-f, --follow=DEPENDS" for apt-rdepends accordingly ... https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html
04:25<babilen>PHeanEX: See 7.2, Recommends in there
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04:25<PHeanEX>babilen: but i guess we're fine with the depends and pre-depends
04:26<somiaj>okay now i'm just confused at the documentation because I would think that ?depends and ?reverse-depends should be the reverse of each other but the documentation seems to say they are the sanem.
04:26<PHeanEX>babilen: i myself dont need the recommends most of the time
04:26<PHeanEX>somiaj: which docu says that?
04:26<somiaj>"for instance, ?depends(libpng3) will match any package that depends on libpng3." -- doesn't that mean it returns any package that has 'libpng3' in the Depends: list?
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04:27<somiaj>PHeanEX: http://www.algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#searchDep
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04:27<babilen>PHeanEX: "apt-rdepends -f Depends,Recommends,PreDepends -s Depends,Recommends,PreDepends $PKG" is probably what I'd use
04:27<somiaj>then ?reverse-depends says "Otherwise, matches packages which a package version matching pattern declares a dependency of type depType upon." -- seems to me it is saying it is doing the same thing
04:28<EmleyMoor>Does a mail alias override a real user account? (I think it does but seek clarity)
04:28<babilen>somiaj: The documentation is most likely out-of-sync with reality
04:28<EmleyMoor>Also, is there an easy way to change the ownership of all files owned by a particular user across a whole box?
04:29<somiaj>babilen: alrighty well now I know where some of my confusion comes from. (:
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04:29<babilen>EmleyMoor: Search for UID/owner, adapt ownership (use find)
04:30<EmleyMoor>babilen: I'll look into that...
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04:30<PHeanEX>babilen: okay ill also use the recommends then ;-)
04:30<tempus>somiaj, I tried copying disk 1 7.4.0 to usb and was told it was not bootable
04:30<PHeanEX>babilen: doesn't seem to be too many
04:31<somiaj>tempus: how did you try coping this to the usb? Tell me the command or method you used please.
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04:32<tempus>copied it from my download folder, copy and paste tried it via command line and kept getting permission denied yet it copied using the gui method
04:32<PHeanEX>somiaj: tempus: dd ?
04:32<babilen>somiaj: Documentation seems to be correct though
04:32<babilen>PHeanEX: dd is horribly inefficient and awkward to use
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04:32<tempus>Debian 7.4.0
04:32<babilen>tempus: How did you copy the image?
04:32<tempus>disk 1.iso
04:32<somiaj>babilen: maybe I have the outdated documentation, what link were you looking at?
04:33<tempus>right click
04:33<tempus>copy
04:33<babilen>dpkg: tell tempus -about usb install
04:33<somiaj>tempus: yea you don't copy the image you write it to the usb driver. Is this your LMDE system or are you on windows?
04:33<PHeanEX>tempus: isn't "dd if=cd.iso of=/dev/sdx" the right way?
04:33<tempus>tempus@hp-laptop:~/Downloads$ cp debian-7.4.0-i386-CD-1.iso /dev/sdc
04:33<tempus>cp: cannot create regular file `/dev/sdc': Permission denied
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04:33<babilen>tempus: Please plug in your usb stick and run "dmesg|tail -n23" and check which device your USB stick is. Then use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" to copy it with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your usb stick
04:34<babilen>tempus: You would naturally have to run that as root
04:34<somiaj>tempus: first make sure /dev/sdc is your usb drive (This will distroy all info on it) second you have to do it as root.
04:34<tempus>somiaj, no I was trying to boot wheezy
04:34<babilen>tempus: And are you sure that you want i386 and not amd64 ?
04:35<tempus>not sure her machine will run 64 its a little older
04:36<somiaj>tempus: also make sure the usb is not mounted (by say an automounter) before you copy to it
04:36<tempus>somiaj, you had said earlier loading Debian was as easy as cp
04:37<tempus>how can you write to it if it is not mounted?
04:37<PHeanEX>tempus: with the tool "dd"
04:37<somiaj>tempus: I also told you you write the image to the actual drive (not to the file system on it)
04:38<tempus>ok let me delete the file that is on there and try it the other way
04:38<somiaj>tempus: the command we give you destorys all data onyour usb
04:38<somiaj>tempus: no need to delete first
04:39<tempus>ok so I have the file in my Downloads folder however if you prefer I write it from debian.org directly to the usb I will try that now
04:39<babilen>PHeanEX: No, don't use dd in this case. cp is working just as well and will be faster and easier to use
04:39<PHeanEX>babilen: why not? especially if you want it to be bootable?
04:40<babilen>tempus: No, download it and copy it with cp to your USB and finish of with "sync" as indicated above
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04:40<PHeanEX>babilen: like in here -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59551/how-to-burn-a-iso-to-a-usb-device
04:41<tempus>ok so am I formatting it first?
04:41<somiaj>babilen: anyways I'm still trying to unfoncuse myself, aptitude search "?reverse-depends(mysql-server)" returns lots of packages, such as libc6. I can't figure out why libc6 Depends: debtype is matching the pattern mysql-server.
04:41<babilen>PHeanEX: dd uses suboptimal blocksizes by default which will cause the write to be slower and also has awkward syntax. I much prefer "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" over "dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M ; sync"
04:41<babilen>somiaj: Because mysql-server depends on libc6
04:42<PHeanEX>babilen: cp uses variable blocksizes then?
04:42<babilen>PHeanEX: It does, yes.
04:42<PHeanEX>babilen: okay ill try that one the next time then ;D
04:43<babilen>tempus: No, you don't do *anything* to your stick before you write the data to it. The images are really all you need and no magic is needed, just write it to the stick exactly as it is.
04:43<PHeanEX>babilen: but why in the world is everyone recommending the dd way then?
04:44<tempus>ok it is in fact /dev/sdc
04:44<babilen>PHeanEX: It seems to be a common misconception that dd allows for "low-level" writing or access that cp is incapable of. I only use dd (or rather the enhanced dcfldd) if I have to define offsets or want to copy a specific number of blocks of size FOO
04:44<tempus>so use the cp method?
04:44<tempus>as sudo?
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04:46<PHeanEX>babilen: i thought especially for the bootsectors dd is needed
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04:47<tempus>:~/Downloads$ sudo cp debian-7.4.0-i386-CD-1 /dev/sdc ; sync
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04:48<somiaj>babilen: yea I can't keep my head straight because I thought you said reverse-depends were all packages that depended ON mysql-server not all packages mysql-server depends on.
04:49<somiaj>tempus: once that command is done you will have a bootable usb.
04:49<tempus>ok I believe it is writing as we speak
04:49<somiaj>tempus: correct it will return you to the prompt once it is complete
04:50<somiaj>babilen: maybe the light bulb just came one. (:
04:50<tempus>ok so once I get wheezy installed will I have the same driver issues and wifi not working
04:51<somiaj>tempus: Was it your wifi required ndiswrapper?
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04:51<somiaj>tempus: the common issue with debian is needing non-free firmware
04:51<tempus>she has a broadcom device
04:52<tempus>which was discussed in the bw43-fwcutter
04:52<tempus>i think its the 4012
04:52<somiaj>babilen: the issue I was having was mysql-server has only one Depends, but the pattern was also hitting the 'mysql-server-5.5', 'mysql-server-5.5:i386' packages as well and giving me their depends.
04:53<somiaj>tempus: oh yea, I have had to setup one of those. Do you have a wired internet you can use (make your life a lot easier) else you are gonna have to go grab some files from the internet and copy them over to the install
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04:53<somiaj>tempus: maybe a usb wired internet or usbwireless you can use tempaory to get the firmware on your system
04:54<tempus>Yes with her LMDE I was able to use ethernet just not wifi and the weird thing is on boot the speakers worked yet once booted say on youtube for example no sound
04:55<somiaj>tempus: two possibilities, one coudl be multiple sound cards and they were detected in a different order, other could be lmde doesn't have software mixing set up.
04:55<tempus>sad thing is I liked everything else about this distro was fast and clean and Debian based
04:56<tempus>ok im going to stick the usb in to boot and see how goes...brb
04:56<somiaj>PHeanEX: okay finally figured out what the aptitude ?reverse-depends was doing, we were getting the Depends: list from any package whose name matched the pattern 'mysql-server', thus we were getting the Depends: list of just a few mysql-server-foo packages
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04:57<somiaj>tempus: you get better support in debian (though I will admit there is a bit more to configure)
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04:58<PHeanEX>somiaj: i dont see the usecase yet, but okay ;-)
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04:58<tempus>thats what scares me, she needs a puter for school here in a week or 2 and her laptop had windows 7 but had a virus so I wiped it and put Ubuntu on for her but the more I looked at wheezy the more I liked it then stumbled on a youtube for LMDE and she loves the color green so thought it would be fitting, it seemed to get good reviews
04:59<tempus>I know all distros have a few issues I guess its just a matter of choosing your battles
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05:00<babilen>PHeanEX: dd is not needed at all, cp can write *everything* just fine and there really is no "special write mode" for bytes at the beginning of the device. /dev/sdc is a file just like any other file too even though it represents a hard disk
05:00<somiaj>PHeanEX: well it just didn't do it recursivally, the confusing part is we were just matching multiple packages with your search pattern.
05:00<somiaj>PHeanEX: at least teh confusing part to me (:
05:02<PHeanEX>babilen: okay but if i'd like to just write the first byte of a file to another one, can copy also do this?=
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05:05<PHeanEX>somiaj: okay, would the aptitude way then also give mysql-server-foo although, mysql-server does not really depend on it?
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05:06<PHeanEX>s/,//g :-)
05:06<somiaj>PHeanEX: because it was matching a pattern not just an exact name
05:07<PHeanEX>somiaj: yeah, but it would have matched => list as dependency ?
05:07<PHeanEX>somiaj: this would be against my understanding dependencies
05:08<PHeanEX>somiaj: +of
05:08<somiaj>PHeanEX: no it matched various pcakge names, for example ?reverse-depends(lib) would match every package that ad lib in their name and then find the dependencies of that package
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05:08<PHeanEX>somiaj: is this useful ? ;-D
05:08<somiaj>PHeanEX: aptitude search "?reverse-depends(^mysql-server$)" -- narrow your matching string, now it does what I expect it to. Gives me the reverse-depends of that single package
05:09<somiaj>PHeanEX: might be useful to some, it is a search option after all.
05:09<PHeanEX>somiaj: okay :-)
05:10<somiaj>more than likely they are using standard pattern searching tools and didn't want to limit the pattern to be exact package names
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05:10<somiaj>but that was the cause of my confusing, I was only expecting it to give depends of a single package mysql-server not all similarly named packages (:
05:11<PHeanEX>somiaj: but apt-rdepends seems to limit it to the exact package names?
05:11<somiaj>correct because it is using package names, not pattern matching
05:11<somiaj>it also does it recursivally which is what y ou really wanted anways
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05:12<PHeanEX>somiaj: okay another thing why i should/would rather use apt- tools instead of aptitude ;-)
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05:12<somiaj>PHeanEX: /msg dpkg why apt-get, /msg dpkg why aptitude, /msg dpkg why not apt-get, /msg dpgk why not aptitude
05:13<somiaj>PHeanEX: beyond that depends on your situation. In terms of oldstable->stable dist-upgrades, some upgrades worked betterh with apt-get, some worked better with aptitude. They do things differently
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05:15<PHeanEX>somiaj: nice i like it ;-D, i guess iam used to the way apt-get does things now and i prefer it over aptitude
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05:16<somiaj>I find I use apt-get until I need a powerful search tool, then I switch to aptitude
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05:50<Guest7009>que ahy ????
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05:57<Mi5ssy>Poop :)
05:57-!-project2501a [~kot@109.171.130.224] has joined #debian
05:58<Mi5ssy>Im only a professor in algorithmic algebra. Im not sure why they need me :)
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05:59<Mi5ssy>Oh, yeah we code the kernel... Its a fine pice of art i can tell you. Not a flaw anywhere. Its so beautiful :)
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06:00<Mi5ssy>IBM and INTEL have gone over the code as i requested and its prefect.
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06:02<Mi5ssy>This took 50^lines/2 ... its a 2* log(2) / 2 algorithm. Ive never seen such efficiency for a very loong time.
06:05<asdfasdfasdf>Mi5ssy: i think you're in the wrong channel...
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06:06<Mi5ssy>Its like we used to do, handle buildings and roads and shit. But i feel we want to build things dont you asd*
06:07<verdeP>o.o lol
06:07<Mi5ssy>^2 ?
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06:08<asdfasdfasdf>Mi5ssy: im not sure what you're talking about. what things do you want to build?
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06:09<Mi5ssy>Another Russian... go fuck yourself
06:09<Mi5ssy>idiot
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06:09<Mi5ssy>Capiche ?
06:09<verdeP>meh so bot or so drunk
06:09<asdfasdfasdf>YOU'LL NEVER STOP US
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06:10<asdfasdfasdf>THE LEFT WILL RISE
06:10<Mi5ssy>Get rid of the naziz
06:10<Mi5ssy>hideous bastards
06:10<Mi5ssy>you asked for it, not we
06:11<asdfasdfasdf>already done lol
06:11<Mi5ssy>Do you want it ?
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06:11<asdfasdfasdf>I do.
06:11<Mi5ssy>Cock smoker ?
06:11<mgv>!ops asdfasdfasdf Mi5ssy
06:11<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj: mgv complains about: asdfasdfasdf Mi5ssy
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06:11<Mi5ssy>Hmm
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06:12<Mi5ssy>Oh good
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06:36<SynrGy>asdfasdfasdf: by the way, kindly don't feed trolls
06:39<asdfasdfasdf>SynrGy: does Mi5ssy come here a lot? and i wasn't trying to, i was trying to get mi5ssy to not talk about that on the #debian channel, i was trying to get them over to the #debian-offtopic channel so they wouldn't bother the support channel
06:41<SynrGy>that kind of behaviour wasn't appropriate even for #d-ot. ignoring it is more effective.
06:42<asdfasdfasdf>it seemed like mi5ssy kept talking even to themself. i waited till about 3 or 4 posts alone because it seemed like they wouldn't have stopped alone.
06:44<SynrGy>just something to keep in mind for next time. nothing more really to say about it
06:44<asdfasdfasdf>alright. thanks for the heads up, then
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06:55<tempus>Ok so I now have wheezy installed and need to get wifi working.... any takers?
06:59<SynrGy>tempus: lspci -nn | grep -i network
07:03<tempus>SynrGy Broadcom BCM4312
07:04<SynrGy>!bcm4312
07:04<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY. It is supported by the <b43> driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
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07:07<adebi1>bonjou
07:08<adebi1>je voudrais installer skype
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07:10<SynrGy>!fr
07:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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07:11<adebi1>comment sa se passe?
07:11<adebi1>je suis debutant
07:13<PHeanEX>adebi1: /join #debian-fr
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07:19<bertus>Hi, I have a problem with the installations. When I want install any program It gives this error: http://pastebin.com/guy6HvCa Thank you
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07:24<planetmaker>bernat, and how do you try to install the programme?
07:25<MoonGNatRouth>bertus, Can you type all out of apt-get/aptitude?
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07:44<bertus>MoonGNatRouth I have deleted these files but these I can't: http://pastebin.com/JEYa0S8n Thank you
07:45<planetmaker>please paste the whole commands. And maybe preceed them by an LC_ALL=C
07:45<planetmaker>so that the output is in English
07:45<planetmaker>LC_ALL=C ls -l
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07:48<k-man>how do i get the network to come up if I'm using wpa-supplicant?
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07:50<asdfasdfasdf>k-man: "wpa_supplicant -B -i interface -c <(wpa_passphrase 'essid' 'passphrase')" has worked when i've used it.
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07:51<k-man>i have it configured to bring the network up, and it was working, but something is amiss now, it doesn;t start and wpa_cli gives: Could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying
07:52<asdfasdfasdf>hmm, i'm not sure about that. try (re)starting wpa_supplicant and see if wpa_cli works then
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08:03<k-man>well, that was weird, the usb wifi wasn't getting power for some reason. rebooted and at least its getting power now
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08:05<xubuntu>hi all i have a little qustion
08:05<xubuntu>about virtualbox on my xubuntu
08:06<supaman>!xubuntu
08:06<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on chat.freenode.net for support. http://www.xubuntu.org/ See also <based on debian>.
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08:50<juncle>hello! i like friendship and business!!!
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08:51<juncle>hello iskatu
08:52<biketron>Hi i got a Problem with my Dell Studio XPS-1340 I can't get the Headphone working well. I already tried all the module parameters but nothing worked so far.... The Problem itself is quite Interresting it is not the case that there is no sound on the output.. it seems that the left and right channel are mixed in some strange case
08:53<biketron>So an Workaround is to set the Balance all left or all right to get mono sound (which sounds ok) but isnt what i want ;)
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08:54<LePsy666>hi all, can someone help with a postfix/procmail issue ?
08:56<wompa>!someone
08:56<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
08:58<LePsy666>k so I want my postfix server to distribute email using procmail. I have configured the "mailbox_command = procmail" and created a /etc/procmailrc file with a log file and I have no clue to know if procmail is used. Nothing in postfix logs and nothing in procmail logfile
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09:08<Spidernet>LePsy666: check this site out: http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/filtering-e-mail-postfix-and-procmail-part-three
09:10<wompa>LePsy666: you probably must specify absolute path to procmail
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09:11<MoonGNatRouth>I've got gnome3. When I type Ctrl+Alt+F1 - I have just black screen instead tty, But I can back with Ctrl+Alt+F7. What's wrong? How can I get tty?
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09:13<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: we use ctrl+alt+f1 and f7 to switch between the gui and the cli... there's nothing wrong wid dat
09:15<supaman>MoonGNatRouth: hmm, thats strange, you should get a tty login
09:15<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, I want my tty =). I just find out that it works! But I just dont see anything.
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09:15<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: hoops cos u are supposed to get a tty login
09:15<MoonGNatRouth>I've logged in root and have killed some process
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09:16<supaman>MoonGNatRouth: at a gnome terminal, does ps aux | grep tty give you all tty's?
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09:16<serhat>hello everyone
09:16<serhat>I have a problem with grub
09:16<MoonGNatRouth>supaman, yes. I have it
09:17<supaman>MoonGNatRouth: so there are 6 /sbin/getty processes running?
09:17<MoonGNatRouth>supaman, Like I said. I just find out that they works, but I can't see them
09:17<serhat>I have a partition that has a linux OS installed in it which is inside an extended partition
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09:18<serhat>I installed grub again, but now it does not boot from that partition
09:18<supaman>MoonGNatRouth: hmm, sorry for being thick but I have never seen this before so dont know what could be wrong
09:18<serhat>could you help me out?
09:20<Spidernet>Mz
09:20<supaman>MoonGNatRouth: and ctrl-alt-f2 and f3 f4 all show black screens?
09:20<MoonGNatRouth>serhat, Did you do "update-grub"?
09:20<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: restart getty and reboot ur machine
09:20<MoonGNatRouth>supaman, yes
09:21<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, How can I restart getty?
09:21<Spidernet>serhat: install the grub to the mbr..
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09:22<serhat>@MoonGNatRouth I installed it on the device, I only performed grub-install
09:23<serhat>btw how do you highlight your messages like that?
09:24<wompa>serhat: by using your nick
09:24<babilen>serhat: And don't use "@NICK" but "NICK:" (this isn't twatter)
09:24<serhat>your nick is too long :S
09:25<babilen>serhat: You can tab-complete nicks in here. Try "Moo<TAB>" or "bab<TAB>"
09:25<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: just reboot ur machine and getty will restart
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09:26<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, nothing will change
09:26<serhat>I did update-grub and I think this time the partition correctly
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09:26<serhat>it got
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09:27<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: hmm... am trying to figure it out
09:27<serhat>I'll give it a try, thanks
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09:29<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, Like I said. I just find out that they works, but I can't see them
09:29<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, I suspect that problem is in fgrlx driver or in something connected with it
09:30<supaman>MoonGNatRouth: or the framebuffer device ...
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09:30<babilen>MoonGNatRouth: Do you have a tty on tty2 ?
09:31<supaman>babilen: he doesnt see it (or tty3, tty4, tty5, tty6) but ps shows it running
09:31<babilen>Is it working? (e.g. did you try to login "blind" ?)
09:32<babilen>And how did MoonGNatRouth install the fglrx driver?
09:32<MoonGNatRouth>babilen, I havn't
09:32<MoonGNatRouth>babilen, I even don't remember. I think "apt-get install fglrx"
09:32<LePsy666>wompa: I tried the absolute path, it doesn't work too, shouldn't I have at least an error somewhere telling me the mailbox_command is not working ?
09:33<LePsy666>Spidernet: I'll check, tx
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09:33<MoonGNatRouth>babilen, yes. it works. I logged blind and killed some processes.
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09:34<babilen>MoonGNatRouth: Okay, could you check if they are shown if you follow the instructions in https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
09:35<babilen>MoonGNatRouth: I'd also try installing the driver from wheez-backports (which gets you 13.12 in lieu of the 12.6 in wheezy. I've only ever used the open radeon driver (with firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri installed)
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09:42<MoonGNatRouth>babilen, system already configured like in this instruction https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary.
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09:46<Spidernet>dpkg: watz up
09:46<dpkg>Spidernet: I don't know, could you explain it?
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09:47<LePsy666>\quit
09:47<Spidernet>dpkg: how are you doing?
09:47<dpkg>Spidernet: mas o menos
09:47<LePsy666>\quit
09:47<LePsy666>rhaaa
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09:47<Spidernet>dpkg: what language is that?
09:47<dpkg>Spidernet: what are you talking about?
09:47<Spidernet>dkg: are u a bot server?
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09:53<babilen>MoonGNatRouth: Ack, try the backported driver and a non-fglrx (i.e. radeon) setup with libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-linux-nonfree installed.
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09:58<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: is it working now?
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10:08<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, no. still no. But I've found similar problem in some forum. They solve problem by commenting lines "#GRUB_TERMINAL=console" & "#GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480" in /etc/default/grub. But In my config they are already commented.
10:08<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, here is link. http://linuxforum.ru/viewtopic.php?id=31642 . But it's russian fuorum.
10:11<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: try creating a new user and login into that account to check where the ttys works
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10:20<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth_: i checked... but it seems it had to do wid the grub...
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10:32<MoonGNatRouth_>Spidernet, in gdm3, when changing users. If press Ctrl+Alt+F1 . screen become black and nothing happen. I cant go back - ctrl+alt+f7 ignored. I cant login in tty and reboot. Ctrl+Alt+Del - doesnt reboot. Just Ctrl+Alt+"Print Screen"+B can help.
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10:36<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth_: if u can pls try reinstall gdm3 and also grub2
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10:38<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, mb dpkg-reconfigure will suit?
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10:39<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: ok then try dpkg-reconfigure <package name>
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10:49<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, nothing, =(
10:51<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: hv u disabled any application?
10:51<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, sorry, what?
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10:52<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: i meant if u tampered with any process that was running before the tty stopped working?
10:52<shafeeque>hellow
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10:54<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, I even don't remember. This problem is very old, And only today I have decided to fix it.
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10:55<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: hmm... i hope u wouldn't mind recompiling ur kernel or reinstalling the os
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10:55<viccuad>Hi, I remember that in Ubuntu, you could right click an ISO file and have it mounted. Why isn't like that in Debian, what is Debian missing? Are there any blockers for this?
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10:57<MoonGNatRouth>Spidernet, acually, I decide to install archlinux a long time ago, but this problem is not a reason. =)
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10:58<Spidernet>MoonGNatRouth: i understand you. but i don't know if something can be done about this.
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11:43<rol_and>my system fails to boot and turns into initramfs . anyway i can troubleshoot the matter?
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11:45<mtn>rol_and: this might help: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover
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11:46<rol_and>mtn: thank you, tried that part.. didn't work as i have 10 disks most of them are raided. so i failed to find the propper boot partition
11:46<usrnix>Hi, does anyone know how I could scan/recover files from a drive .img that I recovered from the device using ddrescue?
11:46<mtn>rol_and: I see, way beyond me
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11:48<rol_and>mtn: thanks for trying to help. appreciate it
11:50<mtn>rol_and: yw
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11:55<Dalia>uhm, hi?
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12:02<ekiwok>any ideas why git clone stucks at "clonning into"
12:02<ekiwok>?
12:03<rol_and>ekiwok: did you try to set -x and see where it's stuck at ? (just a thought)
12:04<ekiwok>what is set -x? I've tried git clone -v --progress
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12:04<ekiwok>rol_and, and I have no other output except Clonning into
12:06<rol_and>ekiwok: this is thorough explanation; http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/debugging-shell-script.html
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12:08<ekiwok>I've tried trhrough rsyc and got rsync: server sent "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5" rather than greeting
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12:10<ekiwok>with -x it dosent show nothing more except line with + and repeated git clone ssh://etc
12:10<rol_and>hmm
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12:10<rol_and>ekiwok: nc -z -w URLurConenctingTo PORT;echo $?
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12:11<ekiwok>invalid wait time
12:11<rol_and>ekiwok: my bad, correction; nc -z -w 1 URL PORT
12:11<rol_and>echo $?
12:12<ekiwok>0
12:12<rol_and>okay so you're able to reach your destination
12:12<ekiwok>I can log trhough ssh, my rsa key works fine
12:12<rol_and>ekiwok: try to clone locally on that same server in ur own home dir
12:12<ekiwok>but I cant connect trough sftp (nautilus) and I cannot clone
12:12<rol_and>ekiwok: use internal url
12:13<rol_and>ekiwok: they might have sftp disabled for yoru specific account in sshd
12:13<ekiwok>I can clone localy
12:13<ekiwok>git clone /path/to/repo copy
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12:14<ekiwok>$ cd ~ & pwd -P
12:14<ekiwok>[1] 1907
12:14<ekiwok>it returns /
12:15<ekiwok>it's openvz, some kind of virtualhosting
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12:15<ekiwok>I'm wondering, maybe path is broken
12:15<rol_and>ekiwok: try to clone using the ssh syntax but with localhost instead of domain
12:16<rol_and>on ur own home folder on that server
12:17<ekiwok>Cloning into copy...
12:17<ekiwok>error: cannot run ssh: No such file or directory
12:17<ekiwok>fatal: unable to fork
12:17<rol_and>meh
12:18<rol_and>am out of ideas
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12:20<rol_and>All , anyway i can fix a system with three MBR that fails to boot ?
12:20<ekiwok>eh, the company behind hosting changed, they migrated my service and all is broken...
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12:24<rol_and>ekiwok: that's exactly why i always maintain my own instance in the cloud
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12:25<ekiwok>rol_and, I bought it mostly because it was cheap (130 zł / year, 30 euros ?) with git, ssh and I've used it mostly for git :|
12:26<rol_and>ekiwok: why not use the freely available git services online ? and have u tried AWS instances sepcficially those micro/m1.small ones?
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12:34<ekiwok>rol_and, I haven't, what woud you recommend?
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12:37<rol_and>ekiwok: well i use bitbucket and aws m1.small server. bitbucket is for free (private/noforking) as for aws i have it reserved for 3 years check this calculator http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html
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12:38<rol_and>ekiwok: this is for personal use, nothing major.. just a small testing ground. so i suggest you research the matter and make a better educated decision according to ur needs
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12:40<ekiwok>rol_and, bitbucket looks nice, it's free and unlimited?
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12:41<rol_and>ekiwok: so far so good... don't take my word for it though, check their packages/faq
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12:43<rol_and>ekiwok: btw here's a free tip. ur first year with AWS you get a 100 % 24/7 running micro instance for free. (btw, i dont work for any of these companies i just love their products )
12:44<rol_and>ekiwok: anyhow gonna DC now, i need help with this server that wont boot... i'll try another IRC networking maybe channels over there are more active.
12:44<rol_and>good luck with ur git thing...
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12:52<ekiwok>rol_and, thank you
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13:04<Eion>Have the Debian apt keys been affected by Heartbleed?
13:04<Spidernet>Eion: no.. just the openssl
13:04<mentor>"apt keys"?
13:05<Eion>@mentor For apt authentication.
13:05<mentor>Eion: The archive signing keys?
13:05<mentor>for packages?
13:05<Eion>mentor: Those would be the ones.
13:06<mentor>I don't believe those would have been exposed using OpenSSL
13:06<mentor>Or, the packages are signed and verified offfline
13:07<Eion>mentor: Also since they're GPG, not OpenSSL, right?
13:07<Spidernet>Eion: there's been a patch for the heartbleed so don't worry
13:07<mentor>Eion: You may want to check the DSA for heartbleed, and you should check you have all security updates installed
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13:08<Eion>Spidernet: My installation is actually old enough not to have been affected by Heartbleed, but that is not particularly flattering security wise.
13:08<mentor>Eion: So, it's just been affected by all the other security issues then?
13:08<Spidernet>Eion: alright.. but do a distro upgrade and be free
13:10<Fylar>Recently Debian has been releasing a lot of OpenSSL updates.
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13:11<mentor>I would expect more to come, as the OpenBSD OpenSSL rage cleanup continues
13:11<Eion>I have wanted to update for a while, so perhaps I can take advantage of today to do so. I feel a bit silly for asking this, but what is the command for upgrading/installing the archive signing keys.
13:12<Fylar>apt-get update gpg
13:12<mentor>The archived signing keys are contained in the package debian-archive-keyring
13:12<Fylar>oh. right
13:13<Fylar>That makes it apt-get update debian-archive-keyring
13:13<Spidernet>Eion: dats ryt.. u can install by " apt-get install debian-archive-keyring"
13:13<mentor>Possibly if you've got to the point that you need to manually update debian-archive-keyring, you may need to do out of band verifiaction
13:13<Spidernet>Eion: pls do " apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade "
13:14<Eion>mentor: That's the level I'm at, but I should be able to download the keys from https://www.debian.org and verify it from there, right?
13:14<mentor>Download the package
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13:15<mentor>Get the hash from somewhere you trust; verify the hash; install the package
13:15<mentor>Then institute a regular update policy
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13:16<mentor>Eion: Possibly some of the mirrors have https
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13:23<Eion>mentor: I got a package from an ftp server, but the hash from an https site. Very much obliged for the help.
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13:45<Eion>I have the current squeeze key in trusted.gpg.d, though I am still getting "from an untrusted source" messages. Is there something I am forgetting?
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13:46<Eion>Got it.;
13:46<Eion>Had to update in aptitude.
13:46<SynrGy>yes
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13:47<antif>is there a way to change time at lxde thtough gui?i dont see something
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13:47<SynrGy>best practice is to use ntpd
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13:48<antif>yeah at gnome it have time synced via ntpd is it different or do i have to install something on xfce?
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13:53<antif>i done it anyways via /etc/ntp.conf :P
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14:02<kazyn>hello i just mounted my drive by "sudo udisks --mount /dev/sda1" and now I cant go inside that dir because of "Permission denied", How i can get there without going into root?
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14:16<mentor>kazyn: What kind of filesystem is on /dev/sda1?
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14:17<rol_and>my system keeps booting into initramfs . any advice on how to troubleshoot the issue ?
14:17<kazyn>mentor: Ive just changed the /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks.policy
14:18<kazyn>mentor: and now its working properly:)
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14:20<kazyn>mentor: and it was ntfs
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14:29<raku>ok so im having an issue shutting down my machine, i run the "shutdown now" command and it shuts off all the processes then hangs with a"root password for maintenance mode or prsss control+d to continue"
14:29<raku>if i press enter or control+d it sends me back to tty without shutting down, all proesses are stopped though
14:29<Spidernet>raku: use poweroff or shutdown -h now
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14:30<raku>ok let me try that
14:31<raku>that brings up another issue, unless im root i cant run any commands unless i do /sbin/[command here]
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14:31<raku>it just says "-bash: [command]: command not found
14:31<somiaj>raku: non root users usually don't have primissions enough to use the commands in /sbin, they are put in roots $PATH. Use sudo
14:31<somiaj>i.e. a normal user does not have permissions ot shutdown the machine
14:31<raku>i dont have sudo
14:32<Spidernet>ruku: use sudo su > then enter password and u are free to enter any command
14:32<raku>i can set myself as root or do su -c "command here"
14:32<somiaj>well then run 'su -' and become root before running that command
14:32<Spidernet>ruku: use sudo su
14:32<mentor>sudo -i opens a login shell
14:32<raku>ya thats what i usually do is go root
14:32<mentor>sudo su is silly
14:32<raku>i just wanted to make sure nothing was broken
14:32<raku>i dont have sudo
14:33<mentor>Use su (and then install sudo)
14:33<raku>i dont need sudo
14:33<raku>i can just do su
14:33<raku>then run commands as root
14:33<raku>or just su -c "command here"
14:33<Spidernet>ruku: ok then use su
14:34<rol_and>my system keeps booting into initramfs . any advice on how to troubleshoot the issue ?
14:35<mentor>sudo is generally a better solution and does not necessitate distributing the root password
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14:37<awal>rakuraku, Open another tty and log as normal user after that lognin as root using su + root pass and then run 'shutdown -h now' for halt your machine or 'shutdown -r now' for reboot
14:37<ekiwok>raku, run sudo shutdown
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14:38<raku>su -c "shutdown -h now" did the job
14:38<ekiwok>you can also add this command to sudoers
14:38<somiaj>sudo is not a required package of any sort, no need to say it is the way to do things. On a single user machine sudo just adds another account with root privlages giving more ways to break into the machine.
14:38<ekiwok>for your user
14:38<somiaj>raku: yea the default for shutdown is to 'powerdown' not 'halt' which are different as you see
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14:39<raku>yep
14:39<raku>thanks again
14:39<mentor>somiaj: I find that logic somewhat spurious
14:39<awal>Is there any package I can use for followr/check the Debian BTS without using a web browser or a mail client?
14:40<somiaj>awal: apt-listbugs is a nice thing to have
14:41<somiaj>awal: It may do what you want (though I just use it as a hook with apt-get to list the bugs of any new packages I am installing in sid)
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14:44<awal>somiaj, yes I have apt-listbugs and I use it as you said, with apt. what I need is a package for surf the BTS, almost for check
14:44<somiaj>I think that is what apt-listbugs does
14:44<somiaj>it is hooked into apt-get/aptitude, but you can probabaly just call it directly
14:44<awal>probably, yes
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14:45<awal>no manual entry for apt-listbugs
14:45<somiaj>are you sure, man apt-listbugs brought up a manual entry here
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14:46<somiaj>awal: apt-listbugs -s all list package_name
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14:47<awal>oh, sorry. yes there is a manual for apt-lisbugs. wrong command (I typed man apt-list-bugs) :P
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14:51<awal>somiaj, oh, great. the command works !
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14:52<awal>its very useful use it before installing any pack :)
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14:53<awal>somiaj, thanks. I'll learn more about apt-listbugs
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15:11<raku>heh, man this hasa not been easy
15:11<raku>im having trouble getting ssh to authorize with the public/private key pair
15:11<raku>there was no /.ssh in my home dir
15:12<raku>so i made one and put an authorized_keys file in it with my public key
15:12<raku>converted the private key i had to a .ppk
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15:12<raku>and then i rebooted the machione, but every time i connect it says "Server refused our key"
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15:14<somiaj>raku: check the permission so of .ssh and the key file
15:14<somiaj>the directory has to be 700 or it won't work, the keys have to be 600 or it won't work
15:15<raku>what is the command to check again
15:15<raku>its ls something
15:15<somiaj>raku: ls -ld ~/.ssh && ls -l ~/.ssh
15:15<somiaj>one will show the directory the other the contents of the directory
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15:16<raku>it says drwx------
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15:17<raku>and for some reason the authorized_keys file dissapeared
15:17<somiaj>how about on the server?
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15:17<somiaj>also 'ssh -vvv user@host' is a good wayt o get more output about why you were not authenticated
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15:17<raku>i use putty
15:18<somiaj>raku: ahh, yea the only thing you should need on the server is ~/.ssh/authorized_keys with the correct permissions
15:18<raku>ok
15:19<raku>i got it set up
15:19<raku>i think
15:19<somiaj>and then the private key in putty, but not sure how to debug it, I'm use to linux shells
15:19<raku>but why did the file delete when i rebooted
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15:19<raku>i just did nano authorized_keys
15:19<raku>and it created a file
15:19<raku>is it only a temp file or what
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15:20<raku>yep
15:20<raku>it worked
15:20<raku>let me try a reboot
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15:20<somiaj>raku: it is not a temp file, unless you have some strange setup it shouldn't disapeaer
15:21<raku>well i think strtange would define this
15:21<raku>i did a neinstall with out internet on it so its very... stripped down per say
15:22<raku>nope
15:22<raku>it worked
15:22<raku>alright, thanks, should have thought of that
15:22<raku>was just the perms
15:22<somiaj>maybe you did something on accident that deleted that file with out realizeing it. It would be really strange that $HOME is a tmpfs that deletes thigns
15:22<raku>idk
15:22<raku>seems to be working now
15:23<raku>might have had something to do with permissions
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15:23<raku>when i just made the file with /.ssh set to 700 it kept the directory but not the file
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15:24<raku>ill look into it
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15:35<jacksparrow>hello
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15:37<halifax>hello can anybody help me --> http://tny.cz/bb837fcf
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15:39<somiaj>halifax: I don't know smb.conf syntax well enough to see any issues, maybe try #samba on irc.freenode.net (if you don't get an naswer here)
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15:41<jacksparrow>can someone help me with this can a debian server be run off USB entirely
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15:42<somiaj>jacksparrow: yes, but usb is not the best bus for such a thing
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15:42<somiaj>jacksparrow: there are various ways, you could say install it in a usb drive like any other drive and it will work, but usb is slow and isn't really made for all the read/writes a debian install would need
15:42<jacksparrow>what is my other alternative
15:42<somiaj>jacksparrow: the other method is to use a live image (such as live.debian.net) and set up persistance, this way you aren't really running of the usb but running off of the memeory on the system
15:43<snowcone>is there an easy way to change the packages loaded in a 'live' USB?
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15:43<somiaj>snowcone: live.debian.net provides a frame work to make your own custom live images
15:43<snowcone>ty :)
15:43<somiaj>but for a certain live image, you will have to manually install/remove any packages on it
15:43<somiaj>each time you boot from it
15:43<snowcone>yeah, that's fine
15:44<jacksparrow>will this require my computer harddrive in anyway
15:44<somiaj>jacksparrow: nope
15:44<jacksparrow>my comp cant recognise my drive
15:44<jacksparrow>and this will run like a normal server
15:45<somiaj>jacksparrow: there are some things you most likely have to watch out, but over all yes. I would suggest going the live route, but this will be a lot harder to setup
15:45<jacksparrow>ok no prob
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15:45<jacksparrow>can an external drive be attached
15:46<somiaj>http://live.debian.net/manual/1.x/html/persistence.html -- maybe start here
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15:46<somiaj>yes you can mount any thing the system (kernel) can reconize on this liev system
15:46<jacksparrow>ok thank you so much
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15:55<adrenalink>Hello! I misunderstood the "usermod" command and I removed all group memberships from my account. How can I restore them?
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15:56<Fylar>identify
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15:57<devil>adrenalink: adduser
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15:58<Fylar>How many people on here use their own custom-built LFS distro?
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15:59<adrenalink>devil: I don't remember the group names. They were the default ones after installation
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15:59<devil>adrenalink: here are mine, pick your poison: lp dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev users fuse scanner netdev davfs2 systemd-journal
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16:00<devil>another one needs to have your users name, of course
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16:00<devil>and you probably do not need systemd-journal
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16:01<adrenalink>devil: I'm going to create a nwe user account to see which groups it is member of
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16:02<snowcone>Would anyone know if it is possible to add files to a debian live ISO file?
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16:04<devil>snowcone: technicaly yes, but it does not make much sense
16:04<somiaj>snowcone: I belive you have to gegenreate the whole live image, check out the documentation on live.debian.net about making your own debian live image
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16:04<devil>snowcone: you'd be faster to build a new one
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16:05<somiaj>Fylar: that question is off topic here, you can try #debian-offtopic or maybe an LFS channel (:
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16:07<adrenalink>user groups
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16:08<adrenalink>sorry... wrong textfield :D
16:08<somiaj>adrenalink: the first account gets added to other groups new users won't get by default such as audio
16:08<somiaj>adrenalink: another method is modify the /etc/groups file, add your username to the end of any group you want him in
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16:09<somiaj>if you want I can link you to a debian policy page on what the groups do, but the ones you want to be in are fairly obvious imo
16:10<plexar>hi all, i recently updated my machine to wheezy and i have an odd behaviuor of scp
16:10<plexar>may i ask some help?
16:10<somiaj>!ask
16:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:10<somiaj>what is this problem?
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16:11<plexar>the following command: su - backup -c "scp $tempdir/* $remotehost:/$remotedir"
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16:11<plexar>works, but scp do not display the progress as usual
16:11<somiaj>maybe you have to put the -v flag on scp, though any reason why you are not using rsync?
16:12<plexar>i just need to copy those files... overwriting the old versions
16:12<plexar>the -v flag outputs a lot of details, but no progress :(
16:12<Spidernet>plexar: use scp -rp <filename> host:<uplad dir>
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16:13<plexar>Spidernet: just a sec... I try
16:14<adrenalink>somiaj: So the only way to see all the default groups the first user is added in, is to reinstall the system...right?
16:14<somiaj>plexar: rsync will do a far better job at that (in the fact that it will also only copy files that have changed sinc ethe last backup)
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16:14<plexar>great, it works! thanks Spidernet
16:14<somiaj>adrenalink: I belive teh isntaller adds a user to certain groups. But really that is overkill
16:15<Spidernet>plexar: the spider is very happy
16:15<nishit>Hello!
16:15<Spidernet>plexar: glad i could help
16:15<plexar>somiaj: i use rsync to create snapshots (i use rsnapshot)
16:15<plexar>somiaj: then I make encrypted tar archives and copy them to another machine
16:15<somiaj>adrenalink: add yourself to the groups you need to be in, if you miss one you'll find out one day and add yourself to it at that time
16:16<nishit>Can anyone please help with flash playback on Debian Wheezy?
16:16<adrenalink>somiaj; I would like to know which groups I effectively need.
16:16<plexar>somiaj: all files change each time
16:16<somiaj>adrenalink: this actually depends on what you want to do, again look at /etc/groups, add yourself to ones you need. If you have question about a paticular group just ask
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16:17<somiaj>adrenalink: cdrom, audio, video, sudo are the four I see that would be most useful. don't tyink you really need much more
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16:19<nishit>Hi everyone, How do I get some advice here?
16:19<devil>nishit: just ask
16:20<adrenalink>somiaj: OK.
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16:20<somiaj>adrenalink: and sorry, file is /etc/group
16:21<nishit>I am trying to switch to Linux from Win7. I have installed Debian Wheezy, but youtube doesn't work well in Chrome or Iceweasel
16:21<Spidernet>nishit: i sent u a reply, check it out
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16:22<somiaj>nishit: what do you mean by well?
16:22<devil>nishit: chrome does have it's own flashplayer which just works, icewesel neds flashplugin-nonfree installed
16:22<Sycamore>nishit, you can install flashplugin-nonfree for proprietary flash playback if you don't mind that
16:22<Sycamore>otherwise you have gnash or html5
16:22<nishit>It is choppy and lags
16:22<Sycamore>use the html5 player
16:22<devil>nishit: that is a problem with your graphics
16:22<nishit>I did install flashplugin-nonfree and got flash 11
16:22<devil>nishit: what card/driver?
16:23<nishit>I have Dell Inspiron 15 with Intel GMA45
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16:23<Spidernet>nishit: all that u hv to do is download the flashplayer.tar.gz, extract it.. there's a file called libflashplayer.so; copy that file into .mozilla/plugins dir; u can view the .mozilla dir in ur home dir by ctrl + h .. create a sub dir in it called plugins and put the libflashplyser.so file der
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16:25<Spidernet>nisit: note that i said "plugins" --case sensitive
16:25<Spidernet>nishit: note that i said "plugins" --case sensitive
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16:26<somiaj>Spidernet: please give people good advise, that is totally not needed.
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16:27<somiaj>Spidernet: he installed the packge 'flashplugin-nonfree' which guess what, goes and downloads the flashplugin and puts it in the proper place so his webbrowser uses it
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16:28<somiaj>nishit: look at 'xvinfo' do you have a correctly loaded xv stuff, you can paste the output at paste.debian.net if you like
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16:30<nishit>X-Video Extension version 2.2
16:30<nishit>screen #0
16:30<nishit> Adaptor #0: "Intel(R) Textured Video"
16:30<nishit> number of ports: 16
16:30<nishit> port base: 75
16:30<nishit> operations supported: PutImage
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16:31<Fylar>lol
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16:31<awal>:(
16:33<somiaj>nishit: that is why I said you can put the output at paste.debian.net, anyways it does look like your video driver and xvextensions detected correctly so no issue there
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16:36<nishit>so, flash doesn't work well in linux?
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16:36<Spidernet>nishit: flash works perfect in linux.
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16:37<nishit>both Chrome and Iceweasel is having same issue
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16:37<somiaj>nishit: chrom or chroimum? also how did you isntall chrome
16:38<somiaj>nishit: flash works okay here, but it is a resource hog and not that great of a platform.
16:38<nishit>Google Chrome
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16:39<somiaj>nishit: how did you install it?
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16:39<somiaj>nishit: can I see the output of 'apt-cache policy'
16:39<Gorwell>Hello, I am following the following tutorial https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections and my question is how can I know the IP of the bridged device?
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16:39<somiaj>nishit: paste it at paste.debian.net
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16:39<nishit>google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
16:40<awal>nishit, you run firefox or iceweasel?
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16:40<Spidernet>Gorwell: either use netdiscover -i <bridge network interface>
16:41<nishit>after installing that I did sudo apt-get install -f
16:41<nishit>to resolve libcurl3 dependency
16:42<Gorwell>Spidernet: thank you, it's scanning right now
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16:42<nishit>I tried both Chrome stable and Iceweasel
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16:43<awal>nishit, in Debian you may want to install Iceweasel (debian firefox) and Chromium (linux google chrome) and then install flashplugin-nonfree; all from Debian repos. flash will work just fin in youtube or any other site...
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16:45<awal>for newer iceweasel versions check backports
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16:45<devil>awal: flash works fine with chromium from the google repo for a very long time, it has it's own incarnation aaof flashplayer
16:45<devil>err, with chrome...
16:46<UserConfig>hey, I'm trying to create some default program preferences (say, icedove and gnome) that are setup for new users. I can use /etc/skel/ for simple configs
16:46<awal>devil, I dont ried that.
16:46<UserConfig>like .conkyrc and .profile, but larger programs are seeming more arduous. suggestions?
16:46<awal>I hope I will never use chrome in debian....
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16:47<devil>I had issues with chromium, so i switched
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16:48<awal>ried? lol, tried :P
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16:51<awal>devil, google chrome has version maintained by the upstream especially for wheezy or there is 1 version for all linux distros?
16:51<devil>I think there is stable only, not sure
16:52<devil>but works fine in unstable
16:52<devil>I have had it for a year without any probs
16:53<devil>current is Version 34.0.1847.116
16:55<awal>devil, ok.
16:55<Marillion>is the same versions in debian stable
16:55<Marillion>chrome is non-free NOT debian way
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16:56<awal>fine here with Iceweasel :P
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16:57<devil>Marillion: I know that
16:57<devil>and I am for free software wherever it fits my needs, which it mostly does
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16:58<devil>but iceweasel does not do what I need
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16:59<devil>I use iceweasel and qupzilla on the side but for important, mostly job related stuff I rely on chrome
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17:00<TMC_COMBIN3>Hi
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17:02<UserConfig>anyone here experienced with creating default program preferences for newly created users?
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17:04<Marillion>UserConfig: your question is to common at all, what you are meen exactly?
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17:05<pokeswap>When I use live build, I get a segmentation fault. Apparently, it cannot make the ISO over 4gb. The packages themselves take up ~9gb + the size of the file system. How do I fix this to get a larger ISO?
17:05<pokeswap>[16:57:04] <pokeswap> (uname -a) Linux kali 3.12-kali1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2kali1 (2014-01-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux
17:05<pokeswap>[16:58:36] <pokeswap> ./libisofs.so.6.58.0: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=0x41df23f8edd49e8639cf8086e17c364c098d9397, stripped
17:05<pokeswap>[16:58:51] <pokeswap> xorriso : NOTE : Copying to System Area: 432 bytes from file '/usr/lib/syslinux/isohdpfx.bin'
17:05-!-pokeswap was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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17:05<pokeswap>When I use live build, I get a segmentation fault. Apparently, it cannot make the ISO over 4gb. The packages themselves take up ~9gb + the size of the file system. How do I fix this to get a larger ISO?
17:05<UserConfig>did you see my question before the last Marillion?
17:05<pokeswap>[16:57:04] <pokeswap> (uname -a) Linux kali 3.12-kali1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2kali1 (2014-01-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux
17:05<pokeswap>[16:58:36] <pokeswap> ./libisofs.so.6.58.0: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=0x41df23f8edd49e8639cf8086e17c364c098d9397, stripped
17:05<devil>pokeswap: we reade you
17:05<devil>stop it
17:05<Spidernet>pk
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17:06<Spidernet>pokeswap: we are reading it
17:06<UserConfig>i'm mostly interest in icedove and gnome settings for newly-created users.
17:06<devil>pokeswap: you should probably ask in #debian-live
17:06<SCC_COMBIN3>Anyone mind answering a few questions I have with XChat?
17:06<UserConfig>also - use pastebin.com
17:06<devil>SCC_COMBIN3: just ask, do not ask to ask
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17:06<UserConfig>just ask SCC_COMBIN3 - don't ask to ask. :)
17:06<pokeswap>no one answers in #debian-live
17:07<SCC_COMBIN3>:(
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17:08<devil>SCC_COMBIN3: what's wrong? just ask
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17:08<UserConfig>Marillion: what I mean exactly is that when I create a new user in debian wheezy, they are created with certain gnome preferences and icedove preferences such that they don't have to make those adjustments themselves.
17:08<SCC_COMBIN3>Well I just started using Xchat and I'm wondering why my default settings are not saving.
17:09<SCC_COMBIN3>It goes back to root for all nick name handles and after choices whenever I close it.
17:09<Spidernet>pokeswap: i also use kali... check their site on live-build: http://docs.kali.org/category/live-build
17:09<Ardou>If its kali linux? dont they have their own forums and xchat?
17:09<pokeswap>spidernet: tried that. tried freenode #kali. they told me 2 try #debian
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17:09<devil>SCC_COMBIN3: for one you might consider using hexchat instead of xchat, but I can't tell why it does not save
17:09<pokeswap>Ardou: on freenode #kali , they sent me to #debian
17:09<Marillion>UserConfig: there is no real way, but you can copy to another user
17:09<mtn>!kali
17:09<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
17:10<Marillion>pokeswap: here is debian NOT kali
17:10<Ardou>Thanks dpkg
17:10<SCC_COMBIN3>hexchat more noob friendly?
17:11<Marillion>pokeswap: and we don't support another distro
17:11<pokeswap>Marillion: on kali irc channel, I was told to try on #debian because live-build is a debian package
17:11<Ardou>Sorry pokeswap but it was pretty silly for kali to send you here? why not check their forums
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17:11<mtn>SCC_COMBIN3: this might help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XChatHowto
17:11<Marillion>pokeswap: stupid people
17:11<awal>hexchat is in backports
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17:12<Spidernet>you guys are been hash on pokeswap; pls guys cuul down.. dpkg... botserver shouldn't say that
17:12<devil>Spidernet: wrong
17:12<mtn>been hash?
17:12<UserConfig>Unfortunately, Marillion, icedove saves preferences in profile so copying raises issues
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17:12<UserConfig>but thank you. :s i guess i'll have to change my tactic
17:12<Ardou>You shouldnt be harsh, just redirect them in the correct direction.
17:13<UserConfig>you'd think you could change the default gnome favorites dock somewhere
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17:14<Spidernet>devil: u mean i am wrong? oh no... this is a discussion forum for debian so i don't see why if someone asks an extraneous question you are harsh on the person
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17:14<devil>Spidernet: noone was harsh imho
17:14<SCC_COMBIN3>Thanks mtn
17:15<awal>SCC_COMBIN3, you can learn about hexchat here http://hexchat.github.io/ and install it from debian backports.
17:15<mtn>SCC_COMBIN3: yw
17:15<Marillion>Spidernet: read the topic of this channel, kali isn't support in any ways EOD
17:16<Spidernet>Marillion: i know that but that doesn't mean you should react like that to someone who asked a question about something extraneous
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17:16<Ardou>Just redirection them, thats it.
17:16<Ardou>redirect*
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17:17<Marillion>yes, and this is stupid
17:17<Marillion>we are NOT the world for all prblems
17:17<UserConfig>No one is claiming this is.
17:18<mtn>you guys are getting way off-topic
17:18<UserConfig>He was directed here by others and in interest of solving his issue followed such direction.
17:18<UserConfig>He has now been redirected back.
17:18<Spidernet>ok.. guys lets focus on what we are doing..
17:18<UserConfig>Agreed mtn. :)
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17:35<nishit>Guys, Why YouTube doesn't work well in my browsers?
17:36<UserConfig>missing codecs?
17:36<centrx>Youtube has some videos in HTML5 and other videos in Flash
17:36<sakax>please define "doesnt work well"
17:36<SamB>perhaps x264 is the problem?
17:36<SamB>or h.264, rather
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17:39<awal>nishit, flash/youtube problem may be related with your browsers bcuz you don't installed them from official debian repos and are maybe buggy...
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17:45<awal>just suggesting. try 'apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-nonfree && apt-get update && apt-get install iceweasel chromium flashplugin-nonfree'
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17:46<Marillion>awal: purge is a official option NOT suboption, you are on squeeze? :)
17:47<nishit>Why it doesn't work in Iceweasel?
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17:48<zh1>nishit, you probably miss flash
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17:49<Spidernet>awal: ap-get purge <filename>
17:49<Spidernet>awal: apt-get purge <filename>
17:49<nishit>I have flash
17:49<zh1>https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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17:50<nishit>I did follow debian wiki
17:50<mtn>nishit: test your flash: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
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17:50<mtn>nishit: if flash is ok, it could be your video driver
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17:51<nishit>"You have version 11,2,202,350 installed"
17:52<nishit>Hmm, I too suspect video driver now. It looks good though
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17:53<nishit>YouTube videos plays in slow-motion in fullscreen
17:53<zh1>browser?
17:53<nishit>Both Iceweasel and Google Chrome
17:54<zh1>try poweroff pc and power on
17:54<nishit>Its not that
17:54<zh1>have tryed?
17:54<nishit>I might have reboot 10 times now
17:55<broucarie>nishit: gnash or silverlight !,
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17:55<broucarie>?
17:55<zh1>no reboot, a poweroff
17:55<devil>nishit: you could try firmware-linux-nonfree, it has some intel stuff afaik
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17:55<nishit>oh, really
17:55<nishit>let me try poweroff
17:55<mtn>nishit: what is your video card?
17:55<SynrG>flashplayer is crap on lower end systems
17:56<zh1>nishit how long dont do poweroff?
17:56<nishit>When YouTube plays fullscreen cpu>130%
17:56<nishit>never
17:56<SynrG>atom n450, gotta reduce display resolution to 800x600 to get smooth playback
17:56<nishit>my system is always running, I have reboot several times
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17:57<zh1>nishit try it
17:57<awal>Spidernet, yeah with purge thats ok; remove not needed :p
17:57<nishit>Mine is Inspiron 15 with T3400
17:57<SynrG>Whereas box plays the same video at higher res fine at 1280x1024
17:57<SynrG>s/box/vlc/
17:58<SynrG>Autocorrect, bleh
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17:58<nishit>I want to switch to Linux from Win7, but I am testing everything I need before I install Linux on my main Laptop
17:58<nishit>rebooting now
17:58<nishit>thanks everyone for your input, I'll be back
17:58<SynrG>Regardless of your chipset flashplayer will always be lower performance
17:58<zh1>power it off
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17:59<zh1>no reboot
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17:59<zh1>flash sucks the bones of pc
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18:10<awal>I'm going to create a new OS based on youtube, flash, twitter and facebook :P
18:11<Spidernet>awal: sounds interesting; use LFS custom debian..
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18:11<awal>Spidernet, ;)
18:12<Brigo_>awal, dont forget twitter.
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18:13<awal>Brigo, no, but i need help for prism kernel...
18:16<zh1>flash oh noes
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18:28<Brigo_>awal, prims wireless card may be?
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18:34<awal>Brigo, :) we are off topic here. for further info please contact me at spyos dot nsa
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18:36<Brigo_>awal, may be some day :)
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18:59<tuk>where to get ambiance gnome-shell theme for wheezy?
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19:00<devil>tuk: did you check gnome-look.org?
19:00<awal>ambiance is ubuntu theme?
19:01<cornerman>tuk: i found crunchy blue to be a nice alternative. it seemsalso have gnome shell support now: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ambiance+Crunchy?content=151180
19:01<tuk>devil: i tried to install it from there to get'invalid theme'
19:01<SynrG>Then it's not valid for 3.4 probably
19:02<devil>tuk: it waqs just an idea, I never used gnome
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19:02<SynrG>You need to find an older version i guess
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19:05<tuk>cornerman: good ine,thanx
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19:30<tuk> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/themes/ubuntu/dists/wheezy/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found.how to fix this?
19:31<vincent_c>don't use ubuntu PPAs on debian
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19:31<SynrGy>and don't use imaginary releases of ubuntu PPAs on debian ;)
19:31<SynrGy>have a look: http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/themes/ubuntu/dists/
19:32<SamB>yeah, they decided that they weren't going to support building PPAs for Debian, only for Ubuntu ...
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19:35<oldlaptop>PPAs, such a wonderful idea
19:35<oldlaptop></s>
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19:36<oldlaptop>It's unwise (in this idiot's opinion) to trust random entities with (say) a launchpad account to install software on your computer every time you update the system
19:37<oldlaptop>better to add source lines from PPAs, if you simply must use them
19:38<SamB>well, not all PPAs are created equal
19:40<tuk>cornerman: try this one here. http://www.techlw.com/2013/11/ambiance-crunchy-themes-and-myhumanity.html .it worked for me
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19:44<cornerman>tuk: thanks. right now i just update the theme occasionally and adjusted my gtkrc accordingly. not sure whether i need another mechanism
19:44<cornerman>just do not use guis too often :D
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19:50<tuk>why the user theme gnome extension wouldn't recognize tar ball files but only zip files?
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19:56<LtL>tuk: do you use gnome? just a guess but file-roller may see tarballs, or thunar-archive-plugin
19:57<LtL>tuk: i never use nautilus but im pretty sure it sees and unpacks or maybe packs tarball too
19:58<tuk>LtL: the file manager tes but not the user theme extension
19:59<tuk>the file manager tes but not the user theme extension
19:59<tuk>the file manager yes but not the user theme extension
19:59<LtL>tuk: if you installed an alternate theme i dunno, checkout the theme authors homepage
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20:00<LtL>tuk: better yet use a terminal for ALL that stuff :)
20:01<tuk>LtL: ok,thanx for advice
20:01<LtL>tuk: np
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20:07<eduardojunio>Hello!
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20:08<LtL>hi eduardojunio
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20:09<eduardojunio>LtL, hi! :)
20:10<eduardojunio>How to update my Debian wheezy for jessie?
20:11<supaman>!wheezy->jessie
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20:12<eduardojunio>Oh, forget it! I solved this. I changed the file /etc/apt/sources.list
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21:30<kardan>in which file is defined what happens when I close my laptop lid?
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21:34<SynrGy>if it's gnome, you're not going to find it looking in files
21:34<kardan>according to /etc/acpi/lid.sh $LID_SLEEP defines which action is executed but is unset
21:34<ncl>kardan: /etc/acpi/ I think? Your DE might also do its own things
21:35<SynrGy>it should be processed as an ordinary input event by the DE
21:35<kardan>I assume gnome has some additional config files which I can't access via the config menu
21:35<SynrGy>yup
21:35<SynrGy>dconf-editor
21:35<SynrGy>settings-manager or so
21:36<SynrGy>er, settings-daemon, i mean
21:37<SynrGy>org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power.{lid-close-ac-action,lid-close-battery-action}
21:38<kardan>thanks!
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21:56<sydney>can anyone tell me what repo I need to add for b43-fwcutter
21:56<abrotman>judd: info b43-fwcutter
21:56<judd>Package b43-fwcutter (contrib/utils, optional) in wheezy/i386: Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. Version: 1:015-14.1; Size: 22.4k; Installed: 74k; Homepage: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
21:56<abrotman>dpkg: tell sydney about contrib
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22:02<sydney>Reading package lists... Done
22:02<sydney>Building dependency tree
22:02<sydney>Reading state information... Done
22:02<sydney>E: Unable to locate package firmware-b43-installer
22:02-!-sydney was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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22:04<sydney>ok i got kicked for showing my results
22:05<abrotman>yes, that's called flooding, don't do it
22:05<sney>!paste
22:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
22:05<sydney>says the package I need can not be found
22:06<sydney>isnt flooding generally malicious in intent?
22:06<sney>!non-free sources
22:06<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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22:09<sydney>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
22:10<sydney>change this one? to main contrib non-free?
22:10<sydney>and the security repo?
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22:10<sney>righto. then apt-get update, and you'll have firmware-b43-installer available
22:11<sydney>the deb-src as well?
22:12<sney>not necessary for this
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22:15<sydney>still unable to locate package
22:16<sydney>Reading state information... Done
22:16<sydney>E: Unable to locate package firmware-b43-installer
22:16<abrotman>judd: info firmware-b32-installer
22:16<judd>No package named 'firmware-b32-installer' was found in wheezy/i386.
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22:16<abrotman>sydney: what instructdions are you following?
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22:17<sydney>http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
22:17<ncl>what's your card's pciid
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22:17<sydney>under the Ubuntu/Debian Instructions
22:17<abrotman>sydney: lspci -nn
22:18<sydney>0b:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
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22:19<abrotman>dpkg: bcm4315
22:19<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY. It is supported by the <b43> driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
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22:21<sydney>ok I have tried every variation and the repos are still unable to locate the package?
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22:23<abrotman>which package?
22:23<SynrG>"the" package?
22:23<abrotman>sydney: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
22:23<sydney>and once I changed my repos it says a bunch of them cannot be found
22:25<sydney>SynrG, I have tried bw43-fwcutter,b43-fwcutter, apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
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22:26<SynrG>Fix your sources
22:26<sydney>I just did what I was told above
22:26<abrotman>did you read the wiki page yet?
22:28<SynrG>You said a bunch can't be found. Fix your sources. Show sources.list at paste.debian.net
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22:30<sydney>yes I have and it says I need the b43
22:30<sydney>14e4:4315
22:30<sydney>
22:30<sydney>yes (2.6.33+)
22:30<sydney>
22:30<sydney>BCM4312
22:30-!-sydney was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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22:30<abrotman>...
22:31<abrotman>sydney: again, stop pasting in the channel
22:31<sydney>It was 1 line when I copied, didnt realize it would turn into 6
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22:32<sney>sydney: did you remember to apt-get update after you changed sources.list
22:32<sydney>so do I need to fix the src repo to main contrib non-free as well ?
22:32<SynrG>No
22:33<SynrG>Are there errors from apt-get update?
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22:33<sydney>yes
22:33<sydney>404 not found
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22:34<sydney>im not a pastebin pro so how do I paste this stuff so i dont get kicked
22:34<SynrG>Put sources.list at paste.debian.net
22:34<sydney>I would totally understand getting kicked for being malicious, but not for trying to get help
22:35<SynrG>About five times you've been told this
22:35<sydney>is there a command for that?
22:35<SynrG>debhelper is a bot
22:35<sney>the channel bot kicks people automatically, it's not someone doing it manually every time
22:35<sney>!pastebinit
22:35<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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22:36<SynrG>Or just use a web browser.
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22:42<sydney>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/216bce0a
22:42<sney>oh it's trying ipv6
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22:46<SynrG>Irrelevant
22:46<SynrG>Look at dist
22:46<SynrG>Show your /etc/apt/sources.list …
22:46<SynrG>Tired of asking
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22:46<SynrG>Goodnight
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22:50<sydney>http://paste.debian.net/94771
22:50<sydney>SynrG, you had asked what errors the update was giving, so thats what I posted
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22:53<sydney>last night I was told the Debian community had so much more support than any other I have done everything everyone has suggested and nobody seems to want to help?
22:54<centrx>sydney, It's the middle of the night on Easter Sunday
22:54<centrx>sydney, Most active times are weekday daytime. Also try #debian on Freenode, or perhaps a more specific Debian channel on OFTC
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23:01<sydney>centrx, I was told to modify my sources.list in order to be able to install b43 cutter, when I did the updates failed I seem to be getting farther from my objective than closer to it. There are 620 some odd people in here and 1 or 2 people talking yet it kicks me twice for simply pasting a few lines of code, does any of this make sense or seem "logical"?
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23:02<Arrowmaster>sydney: what did you change in sources.list and whats the issue
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23:03<sydney>Arrowmaster, I was told to change the two main repos in source.list to main contrib non-free
23:03<Arrowmaster>that sounds right
23:03<sydney>I posted a pastebin above of my sources.list
23:03<centrx>sydney, 620 clients, of which some have no people present right now, some who are present but do not know anything about it, others who are busy at their computers, etc.
23:03<centrx>sydney, Use pastebin, etc to avoid being auto-kicked by the bot for pasting too much
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23:04<centrx>sydney, Pasting mass amounts of text is flooding, so the bot kicks for it. It also doesn't actually help helping you because your paste is mixed in with all other IRC-related messages
23:04<sydney>yes I realize that now the first 2 times were a mistake, first time i didnt know 2nd time i copied 1 line and when I pasted into chat it became 6 lines
23:05<Arrowmaster>ok so your issue is the 404s on running apt-get/aptitude update
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23:05<Arrowmaster>thats easy to fix
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23:05<sydney>THANK YOU Arrowmaster
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23:06<Arrowmaster>sydney: change line 8 to deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
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23:06<Arrowmaster>you removed the wheezy/updates part when you tried to add the contrib non-free parts
23:06<sydney>Arrowmaster, I am trying to fix the wifi on my gf's laptop and know I need the b43-fwcutter I have read and followed the dirs on multiple pages all to no avail to even attain the cutter
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23:07<Arrowmaster>let see what the wiki says about b43-fwcutter
23:07<sydney>ok so then I need to fix the wheezy part and add the contrib repos correct?
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23:08<sydney>there is a chart that the linux wireless page gave me which I found my device under b43
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23:08<sydney>do you happen to have the correct ending for the wheezy repos?
23:09<Arrowmaster>sydney: yes and line 5 is wrong too it should be deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
23:10<Arrowmaster>what you should have done is just added "contrib non-free" after the word "main" anywhere you saw it instead of removing anything
23:11<sydney>ok ty I was following what i understood to be the instructions
23:11<Arrowmaster>see if you can run apt-get update without any errors and continue with the instructions from there
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23:14<sydney>less errors but still a few
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23:19<sydney>Arrowmaster, how should the last portion of the wheezy updates read?
23:20<Arrowmaster>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
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23:22<sydney>the deb-src as well?
23:23<Arrowmaster>yeah
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23:25<sydney>ok here come a couple pastes
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23:28<sydney>http://paste.debian.net/94773
23:30<sydney>http://paste.debian.net/94774
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23:35<Arrowmaster>sydney: ok the security line should be "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free"
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23:42<sydney>src as well?
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23:44<blubaustin>hello
23:44<sydney>W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages)
23:44<sydney>hello blubaustin
23:44<blubaustin>was just wondering how to enable the tux logo during boot up, I have compiled a custom kernel to include it but, it still wont show tux =(
23:46<sydney>Arrowmaster, still cant locate b43 installer.....
23:46<Arrowmaster>whats the package name
23:47<blubaustin>b43-fwcutter
23:48<sydney>yes
23:48<Arrowmaster>sydney: the first deb lines shouldnt be wheezy-updates, they should just be wheezy
23:48<sydney>ok let me fix
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23:50<sydney>Arrowmaster, ok that worked and b43-fwcutter installed now I need to get it configured
23:51<sydney>Arrowmaster, Thank You!!!!!
23:51<Arrowmaster>on your own from here, no clue about b43
23:51<blubaustin>I had some experince with it
23:51<blubaustin>if that counts for anything
23:51<blubaustin>All I want is to see tux on the boot up
23:52<sydney>i have been directed to here
23:52<sydney>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43%20-%20Internet%20access
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23:53<blubaustin>all you have to do is download the b43 firmware and copy it to some directory
23:53<blubaustin>so I guess nobody knows how to get tux on boot up
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23:57<sydney>wish I could help
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23:59<sydney>need to restart
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