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01:44<Blade>I was wondering if someone happens to know what I done to my computer. You know when you delete a file say the file name is (what.txt) and when you look in the terminal where the file was located
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01:45<Blade>You see (what.txt~) when I deleted what.txt~ I miss typed and typed what.txt ~ and then everything In my home folder deleted what did I do restore my user account to default?
01:46<jm_>and you have no backup?
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01:46<Blade>I have everything backed up. Just wondering what I did
01:47<rjsalts>Blade: ~ is a shortcut for your home directory
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01:47<rjsalts>Blade: in many/most shells
01:47<Blade>So why did everything delete?
01:47<themill>"rm ~" would not delete your home directory, however.
01:48<Blade>Rm -r file.txt ~
01:48<themill>yeah, you don't need "recursive" if you are deleting one file.
01:48<rjsalts>That would though, -r means recursively delete
01:49<Blade>So what did I do just restore the user account to default?
01:49<rjsalts>Blade: restore your files from your backup
01:50<Blade>I did that ever thin is ok now just wondering what I done
01:51<rjsalts>Blade: your recursively deleted every below your home directory with "rm -r ~"
01:51<Blade>The restoring to default is just what I guessing I done just kinda wanting to know what I done for sure and not guess and what I done
01:52<Blade>So could that have damaged anything
01:52<rjsalts>Blade: it deleted all your files, which is damaging enough
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01:54<Blade>We'll I had it all backed up so it didn't hurt really per say hurt in that way. I just didn't know what all else it could have done
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01:54<Blade>If it effected the whole system or just that user or just the files in home etc
01:55<rjsalts>Blade: just that user
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01:55<Blade>Ok
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02:31<Doophus>Hello! I recently installed ruby and rubygems, I'm curious whether there's going to be an update to the packages for ruby because it seems to only stay at 1.9.3p194.
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02:35<jm_>Doophus: for stable release it probably will
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02:38<rjsalts>Doophus: stable only gets updates due to security flaws and bugs in packaging. The version number won't change for the life of the release
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02:40<Doophus>thanks jm/rjsalts
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02:40<Doophus>So, in order to get a newer version of it, I either have to wait for a newer release of Debian, or download and compile myself?
02:41<rjsalts>Doophus: you can also check backports
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02:41<Doophus>Hmm okay, I'll go google that. Thanks!
02:42<rjsalts>Doophus: although it doesn't look like ruby is in backports
02:42<Doophus>Oh... doh.
02:43<Doophus>I am just in the middle of adding it to my source.list thing.
02:43<rjsalts>Doophus: you can see backports packages on packages.debian.org
02:43<Doophus>Hmm I guess there's no harm :D
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02:44<rjsalts>Doophus: and you can backport yourself if you want a halfway step between upstream source and newer version
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02:45<Doophus>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
02:45<rjsalts>Doophus: i.e. add deb-src for testing/unstable and do apt-get source ruby ...
02:45<Doophus>Well that line above work
02:45<Doophus>or does it have to be over two lines?
02:45<rjsalts>Doophus: deb sources have to be on a single line
02:46<Doophus>deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free <<< That's what it looks like now
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02:47<rjsalts>Doophus: the deb-src is for source packages
02:47<rjsalts>Doophus: wheezy-updates are for things where a stable version doesn't make sense, such as virus scanners and the like
02:47<Doophus>Okay, I'll go and google how to do all that and come back here if I run into problems :)
02:47<Doophus>Thanks again!
02:48<rjsalts>Doophus: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
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02:49<Doophus>Strange, running apt-get update after that line results in : Err http://ftp.us.debian.org jessie/main Sources and then W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/Release Unable to find expected entry 'non-freei/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
02:50<Doophus>I better go reverse that change.
02:50<rjsalts>Doophus: apt-get source ruby. apt-get build-dep ruby. then cd into the directory it creates. dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot and it should build a dpkg for version 2.0.0.2
02:51<jm_>is non-freei/source/Sources a typo?
02:51<Doophus>bugger. yes
02:52<Doophus>Sorry, my bad.
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03:03<Doophus>hi rjsalts: I must be dumb. after I ran apt-get source ruby, it already creates a folder ruby-defaults-2.0.0.2
03:04<Doophus>I then ran apt-get build-dep ruby, and then I can't actually see which folder it created.
03:04<rjsalts>Doophus: ah, ruby is a virtual package. You'll actually want ruby2.0
03:04<Doophus>Oh.
03:05<rjsalts>Doophus: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ruby
03:06<rjsalts>Doophus: actually, not virtual package. but it is there just to drag in other dependencies
03:06<Doophus>Thanks... so... I do apt-get source ruby2.0?
03:06<rjsalts>Doophus: yes
03:07<Doophus>Ahh this looks promising. I'll go through the rest of the steps and replace it all with ruby2.0 and get back to you :)
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03:07<Doophus>ah wait... hmmm "sudo apt-get build-dep ruby2.0" doesn't seem to do anything...
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03:08<Doophus>E: Build-Depends dependency for ruby2.0 cannot be satisfied because candidate version of package rubygems-integration can't satisfy version requirements
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03:08<Doophus>Sorry about all this, still learning my way through this..
03:08<jm_>you'll need to backport that first
03:09<Doophus>:-\
03:09<rjsalts>Doophus: so follow the same steps with apt-get source rubygems-integration, it can get painful :(
03:09<jm_>let's ask the bot
03:09<jm_>,checkbackport ruby2.0
03:09<judd>Backporting package ruby2.0 in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: rubygems-integration (>= 1.6).
03:09<jm_>yup
03:10<Doophus>Okay, so I'm on https://wiki.debian.org/Backports trying to understand all this... I'm still pretty determined to follow a line by line instruction to see where that takes me :)
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03:13<rjsalts>Doophus: that wiki page is about using wheezy-backports repo, not backporting the package yourself from unstable
03:13<Doophus>Ohhh.
03:13<rjsalts>Doophus: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=38976 captures what I told you
03:13<Doophus>Thanks!
03:15<jm_>!ssb
03:15<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
03:15<rjsalts>and a few other issues
03:15<jm_>that's the steps list
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03:16<Doophus>Oh cool, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ruby2.1 so that's... there
03:17<Doophus>May as well use 2.1 then, this tutorial was for 2.1.1...
03:17<Stummi>thats just testing and unstable
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03:18<Doophus>That part I'm not understanding, I was attempting to install 2.0, that's also for testing and unstable. So I'm guessing 2.1 will be the same steps?
03:19<rjsalts>Doophus: yes, apt-get source ruby2.1
03:19<rjsalts>,checkbackport ruby2.1
03:19<judd>Backporting package ruby2.1 in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
03:19<rjsalts>which seems to be even easier, because there is no missing dependency
03:20<jm_>interesting
03:20<Doophus>okay. that part is completed :)
03:20<Doophus>if there's no dependencies then I don't need to run apt-get build-dep ruby2.1, yeah?
03:20<rjsalts>Doophus: you still need the apt-get build-dep ruby2.1
03:21<Doophus>oh
03:21<Doophus>okay :)
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03:21<rjsalts>Doophus: it's just that you don't need to build any packages before you do the apt-get build-dep ruby2.1 because everything is in wheezy
03:21<Doophus>that commands needs sudo (it tries to alter /var/lib/dpkg/lock)?
03:22<rjsalts>Doophus: apt-get build-dep will need root, aye
03:22<Doophus>Okay, looks like it's doing something YAH :D
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03:22<rjsalts>Doophus: it's installing all the dev packages needed to build ruby from source
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03:23<Doophus>Well this is less painful than using RVM, I carried out the steps for RVM on another machine and let's just say it was putting in a command and then waiting about 40 minutes of blankness before figuring out it was actually doing something behind the scene :-/
03:24<Doophus>Okay that part is done now, I'm juts going to hop into the ruby2.1-2.1.1 folder and then mash in "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot"
03:25<Doophus>I'm guessing that's the folder you meant to hop into before... let's see how this goes...
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03:28<Doophus>By the way, just as a means of closure, after I'm done with this installation, am I right to pop back into the sources.list and comment out the extra deb-src line created just for this purpose, right?
03:28<rjsalts>Doophus: rvm still has value if you're wanting to test with multiple versions.
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03:29<rjsalts>Doophus: you can safely remove it, you'll end up with some standalone debs that you can install with dpkg -i ...
03:29<Doophus>rjsalts: yes, that's valid I guess!
03:29<Doophus>Great :D
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03:30<babilen>Doophus: You could also leave it in, which might be a good idea if you have to do something like this again. It won't affect the installation of binary packages.
03:30<Doophus>Thanks for your help again there, this was interesting. By the way, how did you tell up there from looking at the ruby2.1 there's no additional dependencies?
03:30<Doophus>Okay :)
03:30<rjsalts>Doophus: the bot figured it out from packages.debian.org or equivalent metadata
03:31<rjsalts>Doophus: with the ,checkbackport ruby2.1
03:31<Doophus>,checkbackport ruby2.0
03:31<judd>Backporting package ruby2.0 in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: rubygems-integration (>= 1.6).
03:31<Doophus>OH :)
03:31<Doophus>So that's not something I can just hop into packages.debian.org and be able to find out from reading that page?
03:32<rjsalts>Doophus: you can find it on packages.debian.org, but it'll take a little longer
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03:32<babilen>Doophus: No, you need tools such as our bot in here that checks if all (transitive) build-dependencies can be satisfied in either wheezy or wheezy-backports. You can, naturally, do that by hand but it will be an ardous experience
03:32<Doophus>Well thumbs up to the bot programmer then. :) I'm reading that page it doesn't tell me anything about rubygems-integration so whatever the bot was doing it must've been intense ;)
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03:33<Doophus>What other functions does this bot do, by the way?
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03:34<Doophus>(or is there a website that covers all of this I can save you all the trouble :))
03:35<jm_>Doophus: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/
03:35<Doophus>Oh by the way, the dpkg-buildpackage process finished but with errors.
03:36<Doophus># remove RPATH from tcltklib bindings
03:36<Doophus>chrpath --delete /home/dkit/builds/ruby2.1-2.1.1/debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ruby/2.1.0/tcltklib.so
03:36<Doophus>open: No such file or directory
03:36<Doophus>elf_open: No such file or directory
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03:36<Doophus>Ah. oops.
03:36<Doophus>Sorry guys.
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03:46<Doophus>Ahhh well, looks like I may have to end up using RVM after all... the build process didn't give me a .deb file for install
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03:50<Doophus>http://paste.debian.net/94998/
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03:57<Doophus>Hi, I'm going to continue this pursuit over at #debian-next (I only just found out about this when I hopped in again just now)
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03:59<jm_>try checking the part of build where it's dealing with tcltklib.so, or rather, where it's building it
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03:59<babilen>Doophus: It would really make sense to keep it in this channel as you are targeting wheezy
03:59<Doophus>Oh, oops.
04:00<Doophus>I'll excuse myself from that channel, one moment.
04:01<backbox_>zdraveite ima li nqkoi ot bg
04:01<Doophus>Well I guess I haven't done any damage, it didn't build, and it doesn't look like it'll work from what I heard over at the other channel. I'll err... go and use RVM like I'm supposed to...
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04:02<Doophus>But I'm still curious to see why it would fail, it doesn't look like it should: if the dependencies are downloaded, and the compiler is seeing everything it should in the directory, compiling shouldn't go into an error unless there's an unsupported feature on the compiler or so I think.
04:03<rjsalts>Doophus: it should work, it might be a build dependency missing (e.g. particular version is too low on wheezy but not right in the control file)
04:03<rjsalts>Doophus: which is a bug in the package
04:03<Doophus>Ahh okay
04:04<rjsalts>Doophus: was there anything failing before it bailed trying to chrpath ...
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04:04<jm_>Doophus: it's not that straightforward - some build dependencies might might not be documented properly, newer releases uses newer build tools and so on
04:04<Doophus>I'll go and read the stream of output again
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04:04<Doophus>jm_: Got it. Okay, I'll brb, will look for a real error in the stream
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04:06<Doophus>The first thing I saw with a fail line was: Failed to configure -test-/win32/dln. It will not be installed.
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04:06<rjsalts>Doophus: irrelevant, you're not on win32
04:07<Doophus>Yeah. I was in the middle of typing something along that line :)
04:07<babilen>Doophus: Backporting packages is not always as trivial as simply recompiling them and, in particular, ruby strikes me as the kind of package that isn't necessarily easy to maintain. The error you encounter probably stems from the fact that you are using an older version of a build tool (e.g. debhelper or dh-autoreconf)
04:07<Doophus>Would it make sense for me to quickly copy the whole lot and paste onto paste.debian.net or something?
04:07<babilen>Doophus: If I had to guess I would think of dh-autoreconf
04:07<rjsalts>Doophus: probably
04:08<Doophus>Okay, here goes nothing :)
04:08<rjsalts>babilen: would it still be worth creating a bug against ruby2.1 with, build depends should be ... ( < version )?
04:09<Doophus>Sorry, I changed my mind, it's gotta be hundreds of lines. Forget it, wouldn't want to waste your time with that
04:09<babilen>Doophus: So try backporting and installing dh-autoreconf first, but my recommendation would be to simply stick to "standard" ruby tools and to maintain a separate installation besides the Ruby version that comes with Debian
04:09<babilen>rjsalts: It should use a versioned build-dependency if that is indeed the culprit
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04:10<Doophus>I'll attempt that dh-autoreconf thing following the steps above, and come back with some answers ;-) brb
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04:11<Doophus>Okay, that got dh-autoreconf-9
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04:13<Doophus>by the way, am I supposed to be running dpkg-buildpackage as sudo or just as a normal user
04:13<Doophus>(I was running it as a normal user before)
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04:13<rjsalts>Doophus: just normal user, hence the fakeroot
04:13<Doophus>(Y) thanks.
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04:16<Doophus>Wh... huh. git isn't installed yet. well that's dumb.
04:16<Doophus>dumb of me.
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04:29<al_kocay>help
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04:33<bdog7>al_kocay, try asking a question
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04:34<bdog7>al_kocay, you do not have my permission to pm, is considered rude, ask in channel and if someone can help they will
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04:35<al_kocay>sorry
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04:36<Doophus>Well after installing dh-autoreconf-9, the result is still the same
04:36<al_kocay>where can bot scan ????
04:37<Doophus>by any chance it may require a newer version of 'make'...
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04:38<Doophus>apt-get install fakeroot
04:38<Doophus>oops. wrong screen
04:38<Doophus>Sorry
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04:43<Doophus>Okay, well I ran the dpkg-buildpackage again in the folder, much less output, but the warnings don't seem to be of relevance I think, at the end of all of that there's dpkg-source: info: you can integrate the local changes with dpkg-source --commit
04:43<Doophus>and then dpkg-source: error: aborting due to unexpected upstream changes, see /tmp/ruby2.1_2.1.1-2.diff.jJNseD
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04:44<babilen>Doophus: You have made local changes to the upstream source that are not in the form of a proper patch. You cannot build the package due to that. I'd recommend starting with a clean source tree.
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04:46<Doophus>babilen: does that mean erase the build folder contents, and run apt-get source ruby2.1 again?
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04:47<Doophus>(and the other apt-get build-dep command afterwards etc.)?
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04:50<DZUK>hello, every body
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04:56<babilen>Doophus: The former, you don't have to install build-dependencies again
04:56<Doophus>Ah okay. Thanks babilen.
04:56<babilen>Doophus: If this strikes you as arduous: It is, which is why most people build in a chroot (e.g. with sbuild)
04:57<Doophus>Well, I've deleted the whole lot and downloaded the source, ran the dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc again and the .deb isn't being produced.
04:58<jm_>anyone here that has X running for more than two weeks?
04:58<jm_>you don't need to redownload, you can just rm -rf the dir and use dpkg-source -x file.dsc to extract it again
04:59<Doophus>oh :)
04:59<Doophus>Well I'll know next time haha, it looks like I'll be experimenting on how to get this working for the rest of the night...
05:01<babilen>Doophus: I would recommend to discuss this in #debian-ruby as this will, most likely, be a fairly non-trivial backport
05:02<Doophus>Alright, one moment
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05:07<Doophus>I'd like to ask a stupid question while I'm waiting for a response, could it be feasible... to perhaps get the ruby-2.1.1.tar.gz file from the ruby site, and then run dh_make on it?
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05:10<jm_>that was also recommended in the past as one of the options
05:10<jm_>just make sure it doesn't clash with debian's packages
05:10<Doophus>oh. I must've missed it. Sorry.
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06:16<Doophus>Heeey! I'm hopping offline. I didn't manage to resolve the ruby2.1 issue in the end. but it was an enjoyable experience learning nonetheless :)
06:16<Doophus>Thanks everybody for helping :)
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06:39<Doophus>rjsalts: Hey sorry to trouble you again, that help page link you pasted in here a couple hours ago, do you still have it? (talks about building from source and apt-get source...)
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06:40<jm_>smart people write things down (or use irc client's ability to log it) -- http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=38976
06:41<Doophus>Thanks, I'm on a completely different computer now and location. So no, not very smart of me :(
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06:42<Doophus>And did I just ask the wrong person for it just now... sorry!
06:43<jm_>no, it was rjsalts who gave you the link
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06:43<Doophus>Oh. Thanks jm :) Helpful as always.
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06:44<jm_>no problem
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06:50<Thomas>Hi
06:50-!-SolarSolstice [~quassel@206-188-74-98.cpe.distributel.net] has joined #debian
06:50<SolarSolstice>Anyone here?
06:50<Thomas>Yes
06:51<SolarSolstice>Wanna help me Thomas?
06:51<adc>!ask
06:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
06:51<Thomas>okey :-) ask your question
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06:53<SolarSolstice>So I'm running Kali Linux(It's Debian Based) and I hit a snag when setting up an SSH Server, I can connect locally, just not Via the internet, and that's why I want an SSH server, is to connect to my laptop here while I'm at school.
06:54<planetmaker>!based on debian
06:54<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
06:54<Apollo>and that looks more like an issue with NAT and cohorts than anythin
06:54<babilen>!kali linux
06:54<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
06:55<SolarSolstice>Thanks babilen!
06:55<babilen>SolarSolstice: All the best! (if you want support in here you will have to run pure Debian -- /msg dpkg install debian)
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06:56<SolarSolstice>-h
06:56<SolarSolstice>oops lol
06:56<SolarSolstice>I go now XD
06:56*babilen waves
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07:07<Thomas>Is there anybody who have experience with the Virtual Machine Manager?
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07:13<petn-randall>Thomas: It's best to ask your actual question, unless you *are* doing a survey. :)
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07:17<RealMurphy>Hi all, I'm currently trying to get cgroups going (with systemd) on Wheezy. I want boinc-client to run only with minimal cpu.share. I've set up a failry minimal unit service file, however, currently systemd starts and then stops the daemon again
07:17<RealMurphy>Therefore I don't even know of the cpu.share is correctly picked up
07:17<RealMurphy>is there a good way to get more debugging output from systemd?
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07:18<jm_>no doubt based on the recent way of handling 'debug' kernel parameter :)
07:18<RealMurphy>;)
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07:19<RealMurphy>gosh, just after writing this question, I just found out that I need to set Type=forking (instead of none and/or the wrong Type=fork)
07:19<RealMurphy>*doh*
07:19<jm_>doesn't it log an error in such cases?
07:20<RealMurphy>it does, but due to other errors I did not see it :(
07:20<jm_>ahh, OK
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07:21<RealMurphy>log file/man page reading blindness after 2 hrs ....
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07:37<goneeuro>hey guys. I am thinking of switching from xubuntu 14.04 to the debian with xfce installed. The question i have is will the wisker menu look like it does on xubuntu with the little window view or will it be the old way with each menu coming out once you scroll over it.
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07:38<babilen>goneeuro: Was that an Ubuntu specific change or is that a difference between different upstream versions?
07:38<supaman>goneeuro: dont use xfce so I don't know, but you can try to install on a usb and just try for yourself
07:39<babilen>goneeuro: Debian wheezy (current stable) comes with XFCE 4.8 and 4.10 is packages in jessie/sid. Ubuntu saucy has 4.10.
07:39<goneeuro>thats what i cant seem to find out searching the web. all the debian screen shots have the old whisker menu.
07:39<babilen>*packaged
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07:40<bdog7>goneeuro, I use debain xfce but I don't know what wisker is
07:40<goneeuro>this is the menu I am talking about. I really like this layout.
07:40<goneeuro>http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/goneeuro/Screenshot-04222014-013740PM_zpsa3d19b3e.png
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07:40<babilen>goneeuro: So if you want to use 4.10 you would have to track testing or unstable in Debian which is associated with its own problems and idiosyncrasies given that they are development releases.
07:41<goneeuro>bdog7: Its the "start" menu like windows.
07:41<bdog7>it will be the old way
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07:42<bdog7>I run stable Xfce4.8
07:43<goneeuro>OK. Thanks everyone.
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07:43<bdog7>yuck that turns me off xubuntu
07:43<goneeuro>Ha. I wasnt sure about it at first either, but I used it for a bit and know I really like it.
07:44<Cyrus>goneeuro: What is that running on the right hand side?
07:44<bdog7>think I'd switch back to fluxbox
07:44<goneeuro>Just a conky theme I found online somewhere.
07:45<goneeuro>I still have the zip if you want it.
07:45<Cyrus>Nah it's alright, just curious.
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07:46<goneeuro>its called Conky-eOS
07:46<bdog7>pm request goneeuro to chat about xfce
07:47<goneeuro>bdog7: I am new to useing xchat. Where do I open the PM.
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07:54<ompaul>goneeuro: so no debian specific question then?
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07:55<verdeP>goneeuro: try /query bdog7
07:56<bdog7>all good now verdeP
07:56<verdeP>^^
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08:10<goneeuro>ompaul: That was it for my question. Just wanted to know what the wisker menu would be on debian. Thanks though.
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09:12<leurian2>hello
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09:12<leurian2>can you help me?
09:12<supaman>!ask
09:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:21<leurian>hi all
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09:21<abrotman>yes, we see you ..
09:21<abrotman>ugh .. no, we don't
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09:38<max>I dont see icon my destop avlinux what is it?
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09:41<abdul>hi
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09:41<abdul>what is the username and password for snorby?
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10:01<max>I use avlinux that debian + lxde but can not see the icons on the desktop, does anyone know what to do?
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10:06<trico1>what does tracker-miner-fs do? it's using 2.5 gb of ram, i want to disable or uninstall it
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10:08<babilen>trico1: It indexes all your files which allows powerful search operations on all your data
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10:08<trico1>ok... how do i do those searches? is this used by nepomuk?
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10:13<max>o meu debian tem o desktop lxde, e não aparece nenhum icones porquê?
10:13<shay>!portuguese
10:13<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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11:16<leurian>hola
11:16<nucelar>hola
11:16<centrx>holla
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11:40<csotelo>hello people... I usually use virtual box for working with virtual machines, for... for exmaple.. I have a windoze for test some apps, rhel, centos for get familiar with this distros.. however.. I would like to know wich one do you recommends for work as a testing enviroment or trial enviroments.. no for server.. I know that xen or open virtuozzo are better for servers virtualization, but my question is oriented on created learning and testing enviarome
11:40<csotelo>nts, thanks
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11:44<ompaul>csotelo: opinions - test your test case and try everything including containers
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11:44<csotelo>ompaul, good ides :)
11:44<csotelo>idea*
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11:46<SynrG>Or find objective reviews on the web
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13:09<takeyourhatoff>Hi, I am trying to get iceweasle 28 to playback h.264 and mp3 in <video> and <audio> tags but can't seem to get it working. Which packages do I need to install to get this to work?
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13:37<AlexMax>I've got a weird sar problem going on. I upgraded my kernel to a 64-bit kernel, and ever since I did the upgrade my sa logs have been tiny compared to what they were. sar logs are now 0 length and running 'sar' complains about an invalid system activity file. I'm...not sure how to even go about trying to fix this.
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13:38<AlexMax>The sa logs used to be around 600k a day, now they're 384 bytes long
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13:44<blast007>AlexMax: just to clarify - you're running a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userspace?
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13:47<AlexMax>Yes. Linode just upgraded their infrastructure and migration was 2-3 weeks out for 32-bit boxes, so I upgraded my box to a 64-bit kernel so it could be migrated immediately.
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13:47<AlexMax>sar 1 5 and similar commands that grab data immediately seem to work fine
13:48<somiaj>AlexMax: if you reboot off the old 32bit kernel does the problem persist?
13:49<AlexMax>I'd prefer not to reboot at this moement, but I can check that for you
13:49<AlexMax>the two commands in my sysstat crontab:
13:49<AlexMax>5-55/10 * * * * root command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1
13:49<AlexMax>59 23 * * * root command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 60 2
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13:49<somiaj>Well it seems strange to me that changing from a 32bit kernel to a 64bit kernel (with 32bit compadability) would cause the issues you are talking about. There must have been some other change, but if it is indeed the kernel change this is something you could check I would imangine.
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13:58<AlexMax>Correlation may not necessarily mean causailty
13:58<AlexMax>But I have no idea why else my sa1 logging is failing it
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14:04<AlexMax>/usr/lib/sysstat/sadc 1 1 | wc -c
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14:15<AlexMax>weird, removing the 'bad' sa logs and then starting over seems to fix things
14:15<AlexMax>let's see if the crontab's sa1 works
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14:23<dotut>hello where is the best place to ask about some bugs/questions with debian package building
14:24<mgv>dotut: probably #debian-mentors
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14:30<skybound>can anyone recommend workarounds for #711500 ("could not get updates" popup; wheezy, gnome); like purge "aptdaemon", "gnome-packagekit" or even "packagekit" entirely?
14:31<dotut>mgv: will try that thanks
14:32<abrotman>skybound: what does "aptitude update" say?
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14:38<skybound>abrotman: in the terminal: the usual (fetches pkg lists); and then the dialog pops up; not sure i get the question...
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14:43<skybound>abrotman: from the bug report i would guess that apt somehow triggers a dbus event which interacts (badly) with the gnome packaging tools? I only use the terminal for updates/install anyway, just want the popup gone.
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14:56<abrotman>skybound: can you remove/stop the auto-update tool from gnome?
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15:01<skybound>abrotman: you mean "software settings / check for updates"? had it on "weekly", now set to "never"; no change; even when i didn't use apt-get manually the popup would occur much more frequently (once every few hours)
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15:05<skybound>seems "pkill -STOP gpk-update-viewer" does help; dbus-monitor shows "... interface=org.freedesktop.PackageKit; member=UpdatesChanged" shortly before the popup; sadly gnome-core depends on gnome-packagekit
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15:13<hakann>EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
15:13<hakann>ALLAHU EKBERRRRR! LA ÝLAHE ÝLLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH!
15:13<hakann>I did the obligatory prayers five times a day to the nation. And I promised myself that, who (beside me) taking care not to make the five daily prayers comes ahead of time, I'll put it to heaven. Who says prayer does not show attention to me I do not have a word for it.! Prophet Muhammad (s.a.v.)
15:13<hakann>hell if you did until the needle tip could not remove your head from prostration Prophet Muhammad pbuh
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15:22<babilen>clutch: Hmm?
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15:27<alumno>close
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15:46<skybound>disabling apt.conf.d/20packagekit solves it
15:46<sakax>when is the next stable (jessie) release to be expected?
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15:49<roughnecks>!jessie freeze
15:49<dpkg>Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot! Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will be frozen on 2014-11-05 after which no new versions of packages will enter the release and a period of intense bug fixing begins . See http://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html or ask me about <slushy>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot
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15:53<sakax>thanks roughnecks
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15:54<abrotman>that's not entirely true ..
15:54<ncl>that second part doesn't rhyme at all
15:55<SamB>abrotman: it's a conservative (in terms of user desires) prediction
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16:09<SamB>hmm, would it be stupid to use part of /home as /tmp ...
16:10<ompaul>SamB: it wouldn't be my first choice
16:10<ompaul>SamB: it wouldn't be my 99th choice either
16:10<ompaul>if that helps
16:10<ompaul>if it helps I'd be inclined not to have it in /home at all
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16:11<dondelelcaro>SamB: I personally set TMPDIR to ~/tmp almost always
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16:11<SamB>dondelelcaro: yeah, I was thinking of that as another possibility
16:12<SamB>(did you know that's basically the default on Windows?)
16:12<dondelelcaro>SamB: you might as well do that, as it avoids a whole class of security problems
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16:13*jonadab recently noticed that gnome-core depends on avahi, which according to Wikipedia is a zeroconf networking implementation. Does that not seem odd to anyone else?
16:14<SamB>anyway, it looks like I stopped using my old TMP volume already, and my ROOT volume has a bit more space on it than TMP did ...
16:14<SamB>dondelelcaro: where do you set that?
16:15<dondelelcaro>SamB: in .bashrc or similar
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16:16<SamB>I was wonderinf if it was that, or in /etc/profile.d or so ...
16:16<lord_rob>Hi! I've "rm -r"'d /var/www for testing purpose instead of rm -r /var/www/* What are the permissions of /var/www ?
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16:17<jonadab>lord_rob: I think typically drwxr-xr-x
16:18<jonadab>Usually owned by root.
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16:19<SamB>root:root, even
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16:19<sakax>any reason why xfce is so much lighter on jessie compared to wheezy?
16:19<awl>need help. how to enable onscreen keyboard on login page
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16:20<jonadab>Hmmm... I did chmod ugo-x `which avahi-daemon`, rebooted, and nothing really obvious appears to be broken...
16:20<SamB>sakax: what do you mean?
16:20<jonadab>Granted, I'm using fallback, so that may be part of why.
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16:20<sakax>well i have also a very old pc which i still use :-) and jessie xfce is way faster than wheezy
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16:21<jonadab>awl: Which display manager do you use? xdm? kdm? gdm?
16:21<sakax>SamB: that's why i am asking :-)
16:21<awl>and how to get know that?
16:21<sakax>SamB: it's not an illusion, it's faster
16:22<SamB>sakax: is it using less RAM than it used to do?
16:22<sakax>SamB: i dont know the difference in ram usage but the responsiveness is way higher when you click on something
16:22<sakax>i think it should have to do something with gtk2 and gtk3
16:24<jonadab>awl: for instance, maybe do dpkg --list | dm and see which ones are listed?
16:24<jonadab>(There'll be other extraneous stuff listed too, that's not related...)
16:25<SamB>how about dpkg --list '*dm' ?
16:25<jonadab>sakax: It may also be a different version of xfce.
16:25<jonadab>Oh, yes, that. I didn't know dpkg did that.
16:25<awl>i get gdm and mdadm
16:25<sakax>indeed, that's the difference i think, wheezy xfce still uses gtk2
16:26<SamB>I get just mdadm
16:26<jonadab>awl: Ok, that probably means you're using gdm then. I think.
16:27<awl>ok i get gdm. and what should i do next, need advice
16:27<awl>appreciate for your time jonadab thx
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16:28<SamB>well, searching for "gdm on-screen keyboard" might be a good start
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16:29<jonadab>I think the version of gdm in squeeze had accessibility options that might've featured an OSK, but I've only started messing with wheezy recently and am not fully up to speed yet.
16:29<jonadab>But it may still be there, somewhere, if the "Options Are Bad" regime hasn't done away with it.
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16:30<awl>ok let me try SamB
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16:43<abrotman>SamB: Eh, you don't even know what I was referring to.
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17:58<enand>I'm not sure how to phrase this question but, how can I manually turn off the screen?
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17:59<enand>more specifically, I'm trying to set up a keybind that, when the key is pressde, the screen is turned off.
17:59<babilen>"extend finger, press button"
17:59<enand>heh, I knew someone was gonna say that.
17:59<enand>softwarely manually*
18:00<babilen>enand: I know :) -- Look at xrandr and --off
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18:09<enand>babilen: just tried that. apparently if you have a single monitor, X11 is completely shut down.
18:09<enand>it logged me off and had to restart x.
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18:17<daft>Hopefully I am not being as daft as my nick... but who uses debian for what? I am a graduate student in Fisheries.
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18:22<cornerma3>1[C
18:22<cornerma3>sorry :)
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19:03<user4>If you do a graphical install of Debian 7 on an SSD with encrypted LVM, it will attempt to OVERWRITE the entire drive if you don't click "cancel". Shouldn't it check if it's an SSD before it does that?
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19:04<user4>In the "disk utility" it sees that it's a solid state drive, so it does recognize what it is.
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19:07<bzed>user4: if I remember right you've been asked if you want to initialize the drive with random data and you have to say yes.
19:07<musca>user4: it builds the haystack to hide your needles in it.
19:08<user4>bzed, I didn't notice that, but you may be right.
19:08<bzed>user4: and either you want to hide your crypt device properly (then the sane default is to initialize the whole drive, although it is a ssd) … or not :)
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19:09<bzed>user4: might be in expert mode only, no clue. rarely use the installer at all, and if I do, then in expert mode
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19:10<user4>bzed, I see. I didn't use the expert installer, though.
19:10<user4>Moreover, if installed on an Intel Haswell CPU, the graphics work in fallback mode. :\
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19:14<user4>I don't know how to get it working properly. Also, I installed from a USB drive, but Synaptic thinks I installed from a CD-ROM and it's asking me to enter a debian CD.
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19:14<user4>... when I install packages.
19:15<sarnold>remove the cdrom: lines from your apt sources
19:15<user4>sarnold, Thanks, that worked.
19:16<sarnold>user4: yay :)
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19:31<RainbowW>i'm setting up a debian vm under virtualbox. i have a raid6 array available from another machine, shared using samba (for the benefit of my w64 boxen). is there a reason to install another sharing protocol, i.e., nfs, for the virtualbox vm? or should i just use samba for that too?
19:32<root2>my guess is that nfs would be faster
19:33<root2>but I am not sure
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19:42<BigTimeNoob>sudo apt-get upgrade says: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Yet, when I type openssl version, it says that I'm running "OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013".
19:43<RainbowW>BigTimeNoob, do you have security.debian.org in your sources?
19:43<dualbus>BigTimeNoob: did you run sudo apt-get update first?
19:43<BigTimeNoob>Choosing a different repository doesn't help.
19:43<centrx>dpkg, tell BigTimeNoob about dsa2896
19:43<BigTimeNoob>dualbus, Yes, I did.
19:43<Talon>Where did the transparency effects go for gnome-terminal? It's not even an option anymore (Debian/jessie)
19:44<BigTimeNoob>RainbowW, Yes, it's there.
19:44<dualbus>BigTimeNoob: and you're running stable?
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19:44<BigTimeNoob>dualbus, I installed the Debian 7.4 DVD image from a USB drive.
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19:46<BigTimeNoob>I don't know why, but I'm not getting security updates.
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19:47<sney>do you have the security.debian.org entries in sources.list?
19:47<sney>you might just be up to date.
19:47<sney>if you had a network connection during install, iirc even the DVD will install the current packages from the internet if there's something newer than what's on the iso
19:47<dualbus>well, I get the same result from: openssl version, but: apt-cache policy openssl | grep Installed shows that I have installed the recent fixes
19:48<BigTimeNoob>sney, There is a line "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" in my sources.list
19:48<BigTimeNoob>dualbus, That command says "Installed: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7" for me.
19:49<dualbus>% echo $(openssl version) -- $(apt-cache policy openssl | grep Installed)
19:49<dselect>$(openssl version) -- $(apt-cache policy openssl | grep Installed)
19:49<dualbus>OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 -- Installed: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7
19:49<sney>,v openssl
19:49<judd>Package: openssl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.1g-2; sid: 1.0.1g-3; experimental: 1.0.2~beta1-1
19:49<dualbus>woops, sorry about that. Well, I have the smame.
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19:49<dualbus>BigTimeNoob: so you have the right one
19:50<BigTimeNoob>dualbus, Ah, I see. Thanks!
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19:55<BigTimeNoob>Do I have to upgrade the kernel on Debian 7.4 to get the Intel Haswell graphics working properly?
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19:56<canaima>hoola cmo estas
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20:21<pi>Hello ?
20:21-!-pi is now known as tarkus
20:21<tarkus>testing irc from my raspberry pi :)
20:23<tarkus>=(
20:23<tarkus>anyone here ?
20:23<supaman>yeh
20:23<tarkus>yeyyy
20:23<tarkus>^_^
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20:30<jorgete>hola
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21:26<scorphus>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702809 is killing me
21:28<scorphus>It keeps me wondering if I'm actually waiting for anything to be processed or if it's just another usual freeze =/
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22:00<ger>hello guys..how do i clean my machine?..is't necesary to clean linux?
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22:50<Doophus>netsplit?
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22:56<verdeP>I see nothing Doophus ;3
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22:56<verdeP>/help filter
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23:11<voltagex>why would ssh agent forwarding be failing between my local debian and a debian ec2 instance? ForwardAgent is enabled.
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23:12<voltagex>aha! no space left
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23:29<gary>does anybody know what the empty was and what it is for whin you first install Solyd?
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23:31<PhiloPolyMath>IDENTIFY
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23:42<gary>just a big empty area that stated this folder is empy and had a menu on the side, I closed it be for I could figure out what it was for
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