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00:07<us`0gb>I'm not sure why, but ~/bin isn't in my $PATH . I'm using the default ~/.profile , which says that that directory should be in the $PATH . Any ideas?
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00:51<clutch>* kshrc away: be right back.
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01:13<dwk>my sound broke after upgrading my jessie system: pulseaudio seems to be running, alsamixer seems to be able to set volume, but there's just a dummy output device in vlc. Help?
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01:18<twb>us`0gb: it's normally added by /etc/profile or ~/.profile (default from /etc/skel)
01:18<twb>us`0gb: perhaps when you logged in, you didn't have a *login* shell, so that file was never loaded?
01:18<twb>us`0gb: that is quite common for GUI logins
01:18<twb>us`0gb: also possibly your .bash_profile prevented the other file loading
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01:20<us`0gb>twb: Hmm. Interesting. In Xfce on *buntu, that file is loaded, but I guess it isn't in Xfce on Debian. I'll try to get it loaded some other way then. Thanks!
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01:20<us`0gb>Or maybe it's the display manager?
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01:21<us`0gb>What display manager does Debian use by default, anyway?
01:21<twb>us`0gb: it depends on a bunch of things, especially the dm and the session
01:21<SamB>it could be the .desktop file your display manager uses to start your session?
01:21<twb>Debian doesn't have a default dm
01:21<twb>If you install with desktop=gnome or desktop=xfce you probably get gdm3
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01:22<twb>you can test it fairly easily by putting something like "touch /tmp/ITWORKED" in your file
01:22<twb>Then log in and see if the file is created -- if not, you know the file isn't being loaded
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01:23<us`0gb>Okay. I'll look into GDM3 and the .desktop file. I'm almost certain the file isn't loading, as it isn't adding to the path, but I'll test with touch. Thanks!
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01:24<twb>see also .xsession
01:24<twb>http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.xsession
01:24<twb>But what I did is awful, don't do that
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01:54<javier>HOla
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02:00<ncl>weird, after setting up ecryptfs, all sudo commands start 100%ing the cpu
02:00<ncl>but su works fine
02:03<twb>It's probably looking for that ~/.have-annoyed-you file and can't read it because it's setuid
02:03<twb>Or something along those lines
02:03<twb>try stracing
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02:10<ncl>bah, yeah apparently hangs on reading one of ecryptfs' files for about 20 seconds
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02:13<ncl>hm, brb then
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02:24<ncl>apparently all I really needed to do was actually mount the damn thing
02:26<twb>Yaaaaay
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03:31<linuxator>i ran 'gnome-control-center users accounts' to get'segmentation fault'how to fix this?
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04:12<bullgard4>linuxator: I would first have a look onto /var/log/dmesg or dmesg.0
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04:15<bullgard4>twb: Thank you for your hint to xfwm4 the other day.
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04:20<twb>no problem
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05:28<Fenhl>Hello. I have a system where both openjdk-6-jre and openjdk-7-jre are installed. The first one is not needed, how can I uninstall it and make sure everything uses Java 7 again?
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05:29<petn-randall>Fenhl: 'apt-get remove openjdk-6-jre', but pay attention to any other packages it wants to remove.
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05:31<twb>I think wheezy is new enough to have "apt-mark"
05:31<twb>That lets you differentiate between stuff you asked for, and stuff that got pulled in automatically.
05:31<twb>It helps in such cases, though mostly if you were already using it :-)
05:31<deZillium>Fenhl: after removing java6, run sudo update-java-alternatives --auto java
05:32<twb>deZillium: shouldn't the postinst do that automatically?
05:33<deZillium>dunno, I remember having to do it manually when I moved to 7
05:33<twb>OK
05:33<twb>postrm, I should say
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05:34<rhocassiopeiae>hi
05:34<Fenhl>deZillium: gives me a usage message and exits with 1
05:34<deZillium>sudo update-java-alternatives -l?
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05:35<deZillium>that's L small
05:35<Fenhl>http://paste.debian.net/95401/
05:36<Fenhl>so apparently we also have Sun Java 6 installed?
05:36<deZillium>yeap
05:36<Fenhl>what's the package name for that? java-6-sun?
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05:36<deZillium>I think so, let me check
05:36<Fenhl>no
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05:37<deZillium>Fenhl: openjdk-6-jre ?
05:38<Fenhl>no, I found it. sun-java6-jre
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05:38<Fenhl>that was apparently a leftover from squeeze
05:38<deZillium>make sure you apt-get remove --purge it
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05:40<Fenhl>done. though update-java-alternatives still shows java-1.6.0-openjdk-amd64 and java-1.7.0-openjdk-amd64
05:41<deZillium>that's strange... did update-java-alternatives --auto java work?
05:42<Fenhl>no, as I said, that just gives me the usage message
05:43<Fenhl>and if I'm interpreting that correctly, --auto doesn't take any arguments
05:44<deZillium>then update-alternatives --config java
05:44<deZillium>sudo it ofc
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05:45<deZillium>make sure you select an option listing openjdk 7
05:45<Fenhl>looks like that worked, thanks
05:45<deZillium>for me its: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java , option 0
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05:45<studente-pc>hello
05:46<studente-pc>you speaking englash?
05:46<deZillium>did you also install the iceweasel plugins?
05:46<studente-pc>yes
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05:47<deZillium>Fenhl: icedtea-7-plugin if you want to use java in iceweasel
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05:49<Fenhl>deZillium: none of the sort, I'm just trying to fix a Minecraft server
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06:00<Fenhl>Okay so can anyone help me with this? https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-53325?focusedCommentId=152151&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-152151
06:01<Fenhl>I am told to update java but as far as I can tell everything is up to date.
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06:01<SynrG>,v openjdk-7-jre
06:02<judd>Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; wheezy-security: 7u25-2.3.10-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u51-2.4.6-1; sid: 7u55-2.4.7-1
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06:03<SynrG>Fenhl: i doubt if old java is the real problem
06:03<SynrG>sounds like someone is eager to pass the buck
06:04<Fenhl>SynrG: sure but I'm going to need to update java for the ticket to be reopened
06:05<SynrG>you could try backporting the one in jessie :p
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06:10<Fenhl>I told them that my java is up-to-date.
06:10*Fenhl grabs popcorn
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06:49<jonadab>Heh. "It also uses an unusually low amount of memory." First time I've seen THAT in a bug report :-)
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07:06<n3_d3m0nh4nt3r>help register
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07:08<musca>ignore n3_d3m0nh4nt3r
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07:39<Fenhl>jonadab: http://www.xkcdb.com/9780
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07:52<mekt>What program shall show you text which you give it on the command line in an X window as plain text?
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07:55<Stummi>mekt, do you mean xmessage?
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07:58<mekt>Stummi: xmessage does what I'm looking for. thanks.
07:59<abrotman>xfig?
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08:03<jonadab>Fenhl: haha. I hadn't seen that quote before.
08:03<jonadab>mekt: There's also gxmessage
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09:37<pajaro>is it possible to search bugs in packages with wildcards or something like that?
09:37<pajaro>i wold like to list bugs in weechat*
09:38<pajaro>weechat, weechat-core weechat-plugins, etc...
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09:40<themill>pajaro: they're probably all in the same source package
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09:42<pajaro>it worked
09:42<pajaro>thanks themill
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09:57<pajaro>is security.debian.org wheezy/updates different form ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-updates?
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09:58<pajaro>i just installed a fresh wheezy and have both lines in sources.list u.u
09:59<sney>yes they are different
09:59<sney>one is security updates, the other is what used to be called volatile
09:59<sney>!tell pajaro about volatile
10:00<pajaro>so different from backports as well
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10:03<sakax>is forums.debian.net part of the official debian project?
10:03<themill>!debian.net
10:03<dpkg>The "debian.net" domain points at unofficial resources maintained by Debian Developers. The resources are usually not managed or controlled by the Debian sysadmin group, unlike debian.org machines. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains for more information.
10:05<sakax>thanks themill - it seems like dpkg will be come better than google in answering questions :) it covers everything :)
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10:12<deZillium>O.o how computers change... bonding nics by installing a package and editing a file
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10:13<deZillium>hm... i wonder if that works across switches.... off to test
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10:47<Nicko>hola
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10:53<SWAT>does anybody know why /etc/fstab accepts octal characters but not hexadecimal? (e.g. \040 for space, but not \x20 for space)
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10:57<ichdasic1>heho
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11:00<ichdasich>i am currently suffering from bug #737921. Besides hogging the bug, is there anything i can do to help resolving this faster? lobby somewhere for the patch etc?
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11:12<canaima>hola a todos
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11:33<S-ed>Greetings.
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11:34<S-ed>I'm kinda newb to linux, I have a question related to debirf, anyone familiar with?
11:35<babilen>S-ed: It is typically better to simply ask your question. If somebody knows the answer (s)he will answer.
11:35<S-ed>Ok =)
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11:37<S-ed>If I'll make a distribution based on debirf standart script (afaik there 3 of them), how can I later add new packages to it with ability to load from ram?
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11:40<canaima>hola amigos
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11:46<daemonkeeper>It's "I hate UEFI time" again: http://i.imgur.com/y5gQGX4.png - "error: efidisk read error / out of disk". Any clue? Install runs through fine, booting from a CD works fine, chrooting to the system and reinstalling grub runs through without error. This is a fresh Wheezy installation.
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11:51<S-ed>daemonkeeper: have You parted disk manually?
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11:51<daemonkeeper>Yes.
11:51<daemonkeeper>And yes, EFIboot is there, mounted and filled in /boot/efi
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11:52<daemonkeeper>The BIOS thingie recognizes it's entries too.
11:52<xormor>when is debian 7.5 coming out?
11:53<musca>!7.5
11:53<dpkg>The fifth <point release> for Debian 7 "Wheezy" (7.5) is scheduled for April 26th, 2014. This point release will correct some serious bugs and copy security updates across to the main archive. https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2014/04/msg00000.html
11:54<xormor>found out already: https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/03/msg00158.html
11:54<xormor>musca, do I upgrade to it via the "apt-get dist-upgrade" command?
11:54<musca>yes.
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11:56<S-ed>daemonkeeper: it's a GPT partition?
11:57<daemonkeeper>Yes
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12:01<S-ed>daemonkeeper: hmm...and a bios boot partition? (sorry for being an as* but, have You checked http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/debian-efi ?)
12:01<daemonkeeper>S-ed: BIOS does not work either. Hence I switched to UEFI in the first place.
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12:05<S-ed>daemonkeeper: my guess it's a failure if new grub maded during installation (since you only experiencing failure after setup, that could be caused by wrong partitioning or cause of grub was overwritten partially)
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12:06<daemonkeeper>No, the setup runs through without error. Rebooting into a rescue system from CD, chroot onto the installation device and doing grub-install also runs through fine. efibootmgr finds all boot volumes, so does the vendor's UEFI menu
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13:46<wkf>hello folks... is there a way to install the systemd-sysv package during an automated install? I have DEBIAN_FRONTEND set no noninteractive, and I also used -y and --force-yes, but I'm still being asked to enter 'Yes, do as I say!'.
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13:48<SynrG>wkf: because doing that could irrecoverably break your system. yes. so see debconf-set-selections
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13:49<SynrG>you need to know the name of the config for that question (look in /var/lib/dpkg/info)
13:49<wkf>SynrG: I did the install interactively on another machine, and I ran dpkg-get-selections, but nothing jumped out
13:49<SynrG>you ran it how?
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13:49<wkf>sudo dpkg-get-selections | grep system
13:50<wkf>trying to find the name of the config
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13:50<SynrG>that's a rather crude way to discover
13:50<qmr>So, my initrd does not seem to have the needful for cryptsetup and friends. iirc this used to be in stock Debian stuffs. Is there a Debian way to get the needful in my initrd, or do I need to build my own initrd / kernel?
13:50<wkf>you're telling me :)
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13:51<SynrG>wkf: so follow my advice. look in /var/lib/dpkg/info
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13:52<SynrG>wkf: you're looking for systemd-sysv.templates i guess
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13:53<Pepper>qmr: update-initramfs -u ?
13:54<wkf>SynrG, that doesn't seem to exist, perhaps I've done something else incorrectly
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13:55<SynrG>wkf: maybe not.
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13:55<SynrG>could be one of the dependencies has the template
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13:55<SynrG>or could be not debconf controlled at all. once upon a time there were those sorts of prompts ... why one would be used here i dunno
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13:56<Pepper>wkf: systemd.templates ?
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13:57<qmr>Pepper: Right, but the needful for mounting crypto stuff is not in there it seems. I try to boot and rather than getting prompted for a passphrase I get dropped to a shell
13:57<Pepper>qmr: look for correct entries in /etc/crypttab
13:58<qmr>Pepper: those are there I do believe
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13:58<qmr>Pepper: http://ix.io/bUf
13:58<ahmett>EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
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13:59<jonadab>Wait, what?
13:59<Pepper>qmr: cryptsetup is installed?
14:00<wkf>not that either Pepper, but I see a few that look promising... thanks for the help SynrG
14:00<SynrG>np
14:00<SynrG>wkf: good luck
14:01<qmr>Pepper: ... .derp. heh, I bet that is it. let's see
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14:09<qmr>Pepper: that was it. thank you.
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14:22<Ripper_>I have a problem. I have ~/bin set up in my home folder for programs I use and write and use. If I give the command in the terminal for that program it says command not found
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14:22<towo`>Ripper_, because ~/bin is not in your path
14:23<Ripper_>If I type ./proname it says permission denied. A few weeks ago I was trying to delete a left over u. The terminal etc name.c~ and missed typed name.c ~ could that have something to do with it
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14:24<Ripper_>How do I get it back to the way it was so I can just type the program name in the terminal without ./
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14:29<javper>hola
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14:30<javper>holaaaaaaaaa
14:30<javper>hay algien???????????????????????????
14:30<frangor>!es
14:30<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:36<wkf>SynrG I was unable to find anything in any of the templates, and while probably not very elegant, "yes 'Yes, do as I say!' | sudo apt-get install" worked. thanks again for the help
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14:40<wkf>haha... yah, terrible, I need a shower
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15:43<alumno_>holaa
15:43<alumno_>holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
15:44<alumno_>hols
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15:45<Ailu>hola
15:45<alumno_>hola aillin
15:45<Ailu>holaaaaaaaaaaaa
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16:17<lab2>buenas tardes
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16:18<lab2>hay alguien_
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16:28<linuxlite1969>hii
16:28<dario`>hi
16:28<linuxlite1969>hello
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16:29<linuxlite1969>hi
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16:37<awal>How to invoke apt-listchanges for all packages when upgrading ?
16:38<centrx>Doesn't it do that by default?:
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16:42<awal>centrix, yes it does automaticaly sometimes for a specific packages (samba, certificates...). But I wonder if its possible to invoke it for ALL packs. Or for example if iceweasel is going to be upgraded I want see what changed between version 1 and version 2
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16:45<awal>or apt-lischanges isn't the pack I need for that (?)
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16:47<awal>sometimes there are new features in X pack and if I dont go to the preference of the X pack I'm not noticied about the new features...
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16:56<supaman>awal: try apt-listchange -a /var/chache/apt/archives/packagename.deb
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17:02<awal>supaman, you mean for example for iceweasel I do 'apt-listchanges -a /var/cache/apt/archives/ what I put here ?
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17:03<supaman>awal: apt-listchanges -a /var/cache/apt/archives/iceweaselsomething.deb (that last part is just the name of the .deb file that installed your package), not sure if this is what you want but take a look
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17:04<awal>if I put iceweasel.deb I get dpkg-deb error...
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17:04<awal>supaman, ok. I understand
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17:05<supaman>awal: yeh, there is not file there named iceweasel.deb ... it might be iceweasel-somenumberswithhyphensandmorestuff.deb :-)
17:05<awal>supaman, yes . I understand I just wanted to be sure :)
17:06<supaman>ok :-)
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17:13<awal>supaman, thanks for your atention. your suggestion is a good start to begin to understand how things work and from where I have to start :)
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17:15<awal>It's not easy to become an advanced debian/gnu/linux user :P I have to learn a looot ;)
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17:42<grummund>Hi, can anyone tell me (or hazard a guess) what tr --complement does?
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17:43<Apollo>grummund: man tr to the rescue.
17:44<grummund>Apollo: ... and what does it say?
17:44<Apollo>...
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17:45<grummund>never mind. info tr is more helpful.
17:45<Apollo>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Tr+manpage
17:46<grummund>Apollo: that is no more useful than the installed man. but never mind. thanks.
17:46<SamB>Apollo: it seems he already tried to read the manpage
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17:47<Apollo>3:44:18 < grummund> Apollo: ... and what does it say? implies he didnt ;)
17:47<Apollo>aaaaanyway
17:48<Nemoder>or it means he wanted somebody else to read it and agree with how useless it was for defining that option
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17:49<grummund>i was hoping someone could expand on "use the complement of SET1"
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17:49<grummund>but it's ok, i get ot now.
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17:49<grummund>*it
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17:55<Guest7510>Hi. So, today I used a Russian proxy to joke around with an internet friend (I wanted it to show that I live in Russia). I just entered the address and the port on firefox. Later, I check my ports and noticed that some new were open. http://picpaste.com/pics/12345-wpBVsSpj.1398376448.jpg
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17:55<Guest7510>So, I was curious if it is the proxy, or a software that I installed.
17:55<Guest7510>These new ports showed up today.
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17:58<Guest7510>rebooting
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18:12<EarlyBird>Salutation !
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19:11<abshop>Hi all - recent XP convert over here, so a linux noob, but not totally hopeless (done some simple ruby, playing w/ Arduinos, etc). Other than the debian.org stuff, is there a comprehensive tutorial out there for new-to-debian users you guys find helpful, other than what I find on google?
19:12<abshop>/whois $me
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19:12<david89>Hello. What can I do so that non root users can run reboot or poweroff?
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19:15<mtn>david89: you aren't using a desktop environment?
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19:17<david89>mtn: no
19:18<mtn>david89: I imagine you can do it with sudo.
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19:19<david89>mtn: yes I can with that. I was wondering if there saw a way for non root users (eg. without sudo) to run the two commands
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19:51<jonadab>david89: Well, it's possible to create suid-root wrapper scripts for just those two commands.
19:51<jonadab>Put them in /usr/local/bin and have them call the real ones via full path.
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19:52<david89>what do I put in the script?
19:52<jonadab>Just be careful how they handle their command-line arguments, so you don't create vulnerabilities.
19:53<jonadab>david89: In the script, you just put #!/bin/sh on the first line, and the specific command on the second line, e.g., /sbin/poweroff
19:54<jonadab>If the users don't need to pass any arguments, then you don't have to vette them.
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19:55<jonadab>Actually, you may be able to just make symlinks. It looks like on my system poweroff is a symlink to halt, which is rwxr-xr-x, meaning anyone CAN call it; it's just not in the default path.
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19:55<jonadab>So ln -s /sbin/poweroff /usr/local/bin/poweroff should let anyone call poweroff, I think.
19:56<david89>interesting. I shall try that
19:56<david89>thanks for the help
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20:04<linuxator>the system settings window closes unexpectedly on pressing users accounts.how to fix this?
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20:05<linuxator>it's Debian 7.4 Wheezy Gnome
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20:07<hashem>linuxator, run gnome-control-center from the terminal, & try to debug why it's crashing. Submit a bug report. Make sure all updates have been applied.
20:07<hashem>unsure
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20:12<linuxator>hashem: http://dpaste.com/1795548/
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20:38<junxie>hi
20:39<junxie>bye
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20:57<Mudkip>hey
20:57<lostson>good evening
20:58<Mudkip>ok so im new to IRC, not computers by any means (windows though) and am learning on kali.
20:59<Mudkip>and i just need help installing something.. again new to irc also so please bare with.... the dudes on anonops are dicks, and are some how more worth than some one learning
20:59<Mudkip>worthy*
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21:04<zykotick9>Mudkip: there is a #kali-linux channel on freenode
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21:13<th3las7pr1m3>The switch to debian is real.
21:13<lostson>were you expecting it to be fake ?
21:14<th3las7pr1m3>I didn't expect to have to update and upgrade before I could do anything.
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21:17<zykotick9>lostson: <OT> to bad SoundCloud requires flash :( i can't hear that badass remix ;)
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21:18<lostson>I am trying to track the album down
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21:21<mintyed>hi all whats up i have a net install and having issues with xfce sometimes the graphics get messed up. i am now in the cli and need help with detecting and installing graphics
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21:23<lostson>oh he left
21:23<lostson>got to wait around a bit
21:24<zykotick9>lostson: i'd guess, by the nick, they might have wanted the mint channel?
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21:25<mintyed1>hi all whats up i have a net install and having issues with xfce sometimes the graphics get messed up. i am now in the cli and need help with detecting and installing graphics
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22:26<confused-igb>hello
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22:26<confused-igb>I am trying to install debian, however the 7.4 install CD is not recognizing my network card.
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22:27<confused-igb>I have an integrated Intel I210 nic on a supermicro X10SBA motherboard (intel j1900 cpu)
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22:27<confused-igb>the only driver I've found is the intel official driver, 5.2.5 from sourceforge
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22:28<confused-igb>however it is in .tar.gz format and the debian installer is not recognizing it during the install process (when I put it on a flash drive for the installer to find it)
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22:28<confused-igb>how can I install a .tar.gz driver during the debian install process?
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22:29<confused-igb>I can't finish the install process because the installer can't find a network card on the system
22:29<ncl>confused-igb: .tar.gz is just a compressed archive, like .rar or .zip
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22:30<ncl>Oh yay, network issues
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22:30<confused-igb>ncl: yes, but how do i install the driver during the debian install?
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22:30<confused-igb>all that is in the .tar.gz is driver source (.h, .c, makefile)
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22:31<ncl>confused-igb: erm, you'd probably have to get kernel headers if it builds as a kernel module, so I guess it's something you'd kind of want to do after installing
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22:31<confused-igb>the installer won't let me progress without a network card
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22:31<confused-igb>it keeps taking me to the network card selection screen
22:32<confused-igb>i found a ubuntu .deb package on someone's PPA
22:32<confused-igb>but when I tried using it (copied to a flash drive) in the installer, it said something about missing DKMS or missing kernel modules
22:32<confused-igb>and also would not allow me to continue
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22:32<confused-igb>driver .tar.gz: http://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/igb%20stable/5.2.5/
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22:33<confused-igb>igb .deb: https://answers.launchpad.net/~schmidtm/+archive/schmidtm/+packages
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22:34<confused-igb>oh, apparently that .deb is i386 only.... i'm installing amd64. there's an issue.
22:34<confused-igb>so now i'm stuck with the .tar.gz of the driver source
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22:34<confused-igb>how do I "make install" during the debian install process?
22:34<confused-igb>is that even possible?
22:34<ncl>I don't know then, I've never gotten stuck on card selection even without a driver. You could wait for someone with more experience here or ask on freenode
22:34<confused-igb>okay, thank you
22:35<ncl>as far as I remember, you could technically break at any point in the install process and drop to a shell or something
22:35<confused-igb>yes, it does not recognize the 'make' command, though
22:36<ncl>oh, make is in the build-essential package with gcc, g++, etc.
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22:36<confused-igb>i can't get the build-essential package installed during install because there is no network to continue the net-install from :\
22:38<ncl>I suppose you could manually download the debs for the kernel headers and build-essential, but there should be a package for your card available as well
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22:38<confused-igb>some forum posts say that the i210 driver is included in a "backports" kernel
22:38<ncl>in my experience, I've always skipped out of network selection, gotten a base install, connected via a usb tether or ethernet, and completed stuf from there
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22:39<confused-igb>i don't think "backports kernel" is included in the netinstall disc
22:39<confused-igb>is there a way to use the "backports" kernel during regular debian install?
22:40<confused-igb>(well, that would mean access to the internet... which the machine doesn't have because of the driver issue.)
22:40<ncl>I don't think so
22:40<confused-igb>how do I skip past the network card selection screen? I haven't been able to get past it no matter what I select
22:40<confused-igb>if i select any network card, it shows the screen again.
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22:41<confused-igb>if i select "not on this list", and then "no" to "load from removable media?", it still brings me back to the nic selection screen
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22:42<ncl>I don't know, I can't test it and I haven't installed from disk in years
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22:51<nezZario>Is there a fork or copy of debian that will actually run decently in usb2?
22:53<nezZario>It's weird, I've been using tails which is a fork of debian 6, and it runs really well running off USB2, it uses some kind of "OS in tmpfs" scheme .. I tried kali (which plops the OS right onto the USB just as it would a normal disk) and it's slow as christmas... Does the debian live usb do any special tricks to get it to operate half-ass well enough for simple tasks?
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22:54<nezZario>My end game was to replace the kali with 'real' debian anyway, I was just playing around, now I'm worried ..
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22:58<somiaj>nezZario: look at live.debian.net, there are live images that are loaded off of usb but then run from memory
22:58<somiaj>nezZario: live.debian.net provides tools ot make your own custom live images, but there are some premade ones there too.
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22:58<somiaj>nezZario: there are various ways to achive persistance with the live images, but I haven't looked into them to much.
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23:19<gregg>I know this is probably not the place to ask, but I will give it a shot. Can anybody recommend the best IRC channel for good information on programming the Raspberry Pi PiFace using Python?
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23:54<Zenty>Hola?
23:54<Zenty>Hello?
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