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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-04-27

---Logopened Sun Apr 27 00:00:12 2014
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01:05<ncl>Is there a need to keep the K* entries in /etc/rc*.d/?
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01:35<poppy>hi
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01:47<rjsalts>ncl, they're to shutdown processes
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01:48<ncl>but uh, they're never started in the first place?
01:48<ncl>like in rcS and then onto rc2, where would they have been started up
01:50<Elvano>I have seem to be unable to start up icedove since a couple of days (I think it was after an update). Does anyone else have this problem?
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02:05<rryoumaa>from vbox i get "Please ensure that you have enabled VT-x/AMD-V properly in the BIOS of your host computer". does this mean i did something wrong? should i make it run as 32 bit?
02:05<rjsalts>ncl, they're when leaving the runlevel
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02:06<rjsalts>ncl, and rcS.d has no K.. scripts in it
02:07<rjsalts>ncl, with the exception of runlevel 0 and 6 where the default action is stop
02:07<ncl>mine does, guess that's an effect of rcconf
02:07<rjsalts>ncl, all the logic is in /etc/init.d/rc
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02:12<dualbus>rryoumaa: it is pretty clear... reboot, get into your BIOS configuration, and set virtualization extensions on in your BIOS
02:15<rryoumaa>dualbus: thank you. is it going to work ok if i run it at 32 bit? i tried, by selecting all defaults in vbox and using a 7.4 iso, and the keyboard is not recognized. (not willing to reboot host right now)
02:16<rryoumaa>not only that, but it seems to have gotten rid of all of the vbox menu etc., and all i have is a window with no decorations that contains the debian installation menu (with no keyboard recognized)
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02:25<dualbus>rryoumaa: press the right control key
02:26<dualbus>rryoumaa: and yes, it is going to work running at 32 bits, but it runs in emulated mode, not paravirtualized, so you will get less performance
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02:31<rryoumaa>dualbus: the right control key merely returns the mouse to the host. it does not enable the keyboard.
02:31<rryoumaa>the problem is that the keyboard just does nothing
02:32<rryoumaa>(oic, you were saying to get the menu back)
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04:17<devesh38>hello
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04:34<friendly_meese>does anyone want to answer a very simple techie question?
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05:02<kboy>how could I add in the launcher the audio regulator?
05:03<kboy>I have wheezy xfce
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06:02<kboy>Hi guys, someone knows how to install ubuntu software center on wheezy?
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06:22-!-us`0gb is "0gb.us" on #oftc #moocows #debian-security #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian-mirrors #debian #
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06:25<wardhan>i have downloaded unetbootin to install win 8 on 4gb usb drive. it is struck for more than 30 min. how do i create bootable win 8 usb ?
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06:29<devil_>kboy: you do not want to install ubuntu packages in debian
06:29*devil_ is missing 'debian' in wardhan's question :)
06:30<devil_>but my uneducated guess is: 4 gig is too small
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06:32<kboy>I want
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06:32<kboy>that's why I have done the question
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06:33<devil_>kboy: you will eventualy break your system
06:33<kboy>get it
06:33<kboy>thanks
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06:39<us`0gb>A bootable Windows USB drive? Is that even possible?
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06:40<cornerma1>us`0gb: yeah, it works with unetbootin. but as devil said, i believe you need 8gb for this bloated os
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06:40<us`0gb>Yeah, bloated for sure. I won't argue with that.
06:41<us`0gb>What's Debian at, half a gig?
06:41*us`0gb goes off to look it up
06:41<cornerman>it actually only worked with an ntfs formatted drive and not with fat32. so you have trick unetbootin, as newer versions do not allow writing to ntfs. just format is as fat32, mount the drive, start unetbootin, select the drive, then unmount again, reformat the drive to ntfs and then let unetbootin write to it.
06:42<us`0gb>128 megabytes.
06:43<cornerman>also windows is confused when it is booted from a usb drive; i had to disconnect the usb stick for 10 sec in the partition selection, otherwise windows would not properly recognize my hard drives
06:43*abrotman checks .. yeah, still #debian ..
06:43<abrotman>!ot
06:43<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
06:43<us`0gb>Oops, the copied wrong data. It's 5 gigabytes, a bit more than I thought.
06:43<cornerman>sorry for offtopic, but it took me a while to find it out. and my laptop manufacturer only supplies executables for bios updates...so this was the only way to :/
06:45<us`0gb>Oh, harsh. Executables suck. For a while, I was receiving a lot of "self-extracting zips" that I had to just throw out because people didn't have the decency to use real ZIPs.
06:47<us`0gb>Would discussion of LibreOffice in Debian be on-topic?
06:47<us`0gb>I'm having trouble creating nested lists in LibreOffice Impress, and no one seems to be on #libreoffice at the moment.
06:47<abrotman>us`0gb: yes
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06:50<us`0gb>Does anyone have any ideas on how to do this? I tried creating the nested list in Writer and copying it to Impress, but the list bullets were lost in the process. I've found several articles explaining how to use nested lists in Writer, but none on how to do it in Impress.
06:50<us`0gb>Unfortunately, I need nested lists for homework, so I can't just use something else.
06:51<abrotman>can't just recreate them in Impress?
06:51<abrotman>Did you check the different paste options ?
06:51<us`0gb>I can't find the option for nesting lists in Impress. Without it, recreate how?
06:52<us`0gb>Pasting options? How do I find those?
06:52*abrotman would think under the Edit menu
06:53<us`0gb>Hmm. There seems to be a "special paste" there, but everything it creates floats.
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07:01<us`0gb>It looks like even ignoring the floating issue, the list and its contents are stripped out of the paste.
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07:04<us`0gb>Found it. It's the <tab> key. There aught to be a way to do it from the menu though, for those of us that don't know any of the keyboard shortcuts.
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07:09<muru>What's the best plce to discuss problems on jessie? #deiban-next?
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07:11<abrotman>muru: that's one place, yes
07:12<muru>abrotman: Thanks. Network Manager is breaking ppp, I'll ask over there.
07:12<abrotman>muru: right, so you may have to wait a day or two .. it removed my ppp and wvdial also
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07:14<muru>Oh, ok.. Thanks.
07:15<abrotman>muru: do you use ppp ?
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07:16<muru>abrotman: Yes, it seems to be the only way I can get DSL (or PPPoE, I don't really understand) connections on Wifi.
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08:15<octol>sorry my fault, turns out I could join #debian-next if I was connected through irc.debian.org, but not throught holmes.freenode.net
08:15<abrotman>Yes
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08:22<babilen>octol: irc.debian.org is irc.oftc.net nor freenode :)
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08:44<octol>ah
08:44<octol>good to know
08:44<octol>thanks
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09:18<marjes> google
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10:10<kboy>how to install a .deb downloaded pakage?
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10:15<SynrG>generally you want to be very careful about that
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10:16<kboy>sure
10:16<kboy>it is from google
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10:17<cornerman>kboy: dpkg -i file.deb
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10:17<gkaklas>kboy: "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb" from a terminal. On a GUI, usually a double click will open it with gdebi, if it is installed.
10:17<SynrG>kboy: is it made specifically for your release? (i assume wheezy?)
10:19<kboy>I dunno
10:20<kboy>i just ...amd64.deb
10:22<kboy>is just*
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10:24<kboy>I will install gdebi, do you know if it will update automatically or not? Installing the package with debi
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10:25<cornerman>have a look at dpkg --simulate if you are unsure about the package, to see what would happen if the package was installed.
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10:26<cornerman>kbody: a manually installed package will, of course, not be updated automatically from the repos...if that is what you are asking
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10:26<cornerman>kboy: :)
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10:29<kboy>cornerman, get it thanks
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10:44<kboy>to remove instead the pakage installed and ALL THE DOWNLOADED DIPENDENCIES is better Gdebi or Synaptic?
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11:04<kboy>to remove a downloaded software previously installed with gdebi and ALL ITS DEPENDENCIES is better Synaptic, Gdebi or something else?
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11:13<cornerman>kboy: i would use apt-get or aptitude to remove the package (in case of apt-get use autoremove to uninstall the dependencies), but, afaik, it should also work with 'dpkg -r'.
11:13<cornerman>but of course you can also use synaptic if you must
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11:15<kboy>I tried with synaptic but it leave some file related to the sowtware still there
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11:16<cornerman>kboy: could you be more explicit?
11:16<Big-Blue>is game performance superior on the testing/unstable version of Debian because of newer libraries/drivers in comparison to Debian stable?
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11:17<kboy>Example I have installet chromium and then unistalled. After the unistallataion chomium inspector war still there installed because was marked in green in the synaptic
11:17<kboy>then I have unistalled that manually
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11:18<cornerman>if chromium-inspector was installed as a dependency of chromium, it should be removed by autoremove
11:19<kboy>then just from a terminal
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11:23<guillermo>Hello guys
11:23<guillermo>after installing the last upgrade i am not being able to start the X server
11:23<guillermo>it says that it cannot find my monitor
11:24<guillermo>i tried to change the name of the XORG file and it lets me log in, but i cannot use the mouse
11:24<guillermo>I think i messed something up with the nvidia drivers
11:24<abrotman>how did you install them before?
11:25<guillermo>I used the method described on the wiki using dkms
11:25<guillermo>But some time ago i had blacklisted them because they were not compiling on the 3.10 kernel
11:25<guillermo>and i had to use that kernel to allow my wireless to work
11:26<guillermo>I noticed that after the latets upgrade the dkms was working against the 3.10
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11:27<guillermo>It seems to be working now, will probably continue using the nouveau drivers now
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11:31<guillermo>Thanks, so far the 7th release has been awesome
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11:46<teward|pc>where can one find specific details on packages in experimental
11:46<teward|pc>packages.qa.debian.org doesn't show them...
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11:49<somiaj>teward|pc: what details are you looking for?
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11:49<somiaj>experimental isn't really a version just a collectino of random packages deepend to buggy for sid
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11:49<teward|pc>somiaj: details on the nginx package in experimental, like the changelog.
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11:49<SynrGy>,v nginx
11:49<teward|pc>(i can get it for unstable, but not experimental)
11:49<judd>Package: nginx on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-backports: 1.4.6-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.7-2; sid: 1.4.7-2; sid: 1.6.0-1
11:50<SynrGy>it's not *in* experimental
11:50<teward|pc>hmm
11:50<teward|pc>that's weird
11:50<SynrGy>the changelog shows entries for when it *was*
11:50<teward|pc>it *used* to be
11:50<SynrGy>it is no longer
11:50<teward|pc>SynrGy: that answers that, thanks.
11:50<SynrGy>yes, that's normal for experimental things
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11:51<somiaj>this is also a stable channel you should probably not be thinking about experiemential packges if you run stable 9:
11:51<somiaj>but anyways https://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental
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11:52<somiaj>tells you not to use them then gives you instructions on how to possibly break your system
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11:53<teward|pc>somiaj: heh, as a power user, i was just seeking to grab the nginx that was NOT in stable, to do a bugtest on it, but as it's not in experimental it's irrelevant, i'll grab it from unstable
11:53<teward|pc>(power users are awesome :P)
11:53<abrotman>power user that can't find changelogs?
11:54<teward|pc>abrotman: i don't track experimental, as you read up, it doesn't exist in experimental
11:54<teward|pc>so problem solved
11:54<teward|pc>power users don't know everything you know P
11:54<teward|pc>:P *
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13:00<zeropiel>I have a problem after attempting an upgrade using apt-get. The packages libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64, libxvmcnvidia1:amd64, xserver-xorg-video-nvidia and nvidia-glx caused errors.
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13:01<zeropiel>Linux caemlyn 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux
13:03<towo`>and the errors are secret?
13:04<zeropiel>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
13:04<zeropiel>seems secret to me
13:04<towo`>thats not the error
13:05<towo`>the error stayes above this
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13:05<zeropiel>ah, the dependency problems
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13:06<zeropiel>dpkg: error processing libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 (--configure):
13:06<dpkg>zeropiel: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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13:08<zeropiel>http://paste.debian.net/96026
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13:09<petn-randall>!tell zeropiel about bat
13:09<petn-randall>zeropiel: Can you also paste the commands the bot sent you?
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13:12<zeropiel>apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/96029
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13:14<babilen>zeropiel: It's typically preferred to have it all in a single pastebin (to which you then add additional data as it is being requested) -- What lead up to that situation? What did you do before? Could you also include the relevant parts of your /var/log/apt/history.log
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13:16<lau>hi, is it possible to create a bridge and not to add any interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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13:19<zeropiel>babilen: Don't see how i can append to a paste in pastebin.
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13:19<Brigo>lau, i think not, and i think i bridge without interfaces is not a bridge.
13:20<Brigo>s/i bridge/a bridge
13:21<zeropiel>babilen: I had not used this computer in a while, so I thought it was a good idea to update and upgrade (apt-get update; apt-get upgrade)
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13:22<zeropiel>pasted todays entries from /var/log/apt/history.log
13:24<kboy>I am trying to access to a program but I always get this: myusername is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
13:25<kboy>someone know how to to do?
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13:25<mtn>kboy: https://wiki.debian.org/sudo
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13:29<kboy>mtn, thanks a lot! now it says"the user must log out and then log back in again for the new group to take effect." what this mean? log out from pc and restart it?
13:30<mtn>kboy: logging out and rebooting are different, but both will work
13:30<kboy>mtn, log out from the session. it's not about give other commands to the terminal?
13:31<mtn>kboy: sorry, I don't understand what you are asking
13:31<kboy>because I am root
13:31<kboy>so I tought that maybe I need to give command to log out from root, that's it
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13:32<kboy>will try the normal log out thanks
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13:41<Mehmett>EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
13:41<Mehmett>ALLAHU EKBERRRRR! LA ÝLAHE ÝLLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH!
13:41<Mehmett>I did the obligatory prayers five times a day to the nation. And I promised myself that, who (beside me) taking care not to make the five daily prayers comes ahead of time, I'll put it to heaven. Who says prayer does not show attention to me I do not have a word for it.! Prophet Muhammad (s.a.v.)
13:41<Mehmett>hell if you did until the needle tip could not remove your head from prostration Prophet Muhammad pbuh
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13:44<ncl>So is that like the Muslim version of "repost this comment to 5 other pages or spooky ghosts will get you"?
13:45<Maulkin>Unknown, we're still looking for a pattern to kill it before it appears in the channel.
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13:58<Alpaka>good evening :)
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14:04<Alpaka>just to make sure I got things right ... if I've got a "clean" install on /dev/sdc (HDD), a "broken" install with data yet to recover on /dev/sda (SSD) and an empty drive on /dev/sdb ... I can play Towers of Hanoi to move the "broken" data to sdb, "clean" system to sda and all that remains is fixing fstab and grub to point at the right places?
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14:22<planetmaker>Alpaka, sure you can do that
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14:23<planetmaker>moving the data to /dev/sdb which you mount as your home dir in both systems might be an excellent idea
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14:25<leonardo>hi
14:25<leonardo>can anyone help me to install debian?
14:26<leonardo>Algum brasileiro?
14:26<planetmaker>!pt
14:26<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:28<usrnix>Hi, does anyone know a way to get video off of an old video camera with a cassette?
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14:31<xubuntu>hello
14:31<xubuntu>I am having trouble getting root
14:31<test1>hello xubuntu
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14:31<usrnix>xubuntu: you're on ubuntu, use 'sudo su'
14:32<KillYourTV>(or sudo -i or sudo -s)
14:32<xubuntu>it tells me that my password is incorrect even though I set on install
14:32<xubuntu>i'll try those
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14:32<abrotman>xubuntu: this channel is for Debian support. You want #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net
14:33<xubuntu>ok
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15:40<Guest7893>buenos dias necesito ayuda
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15:41<devil_>!es
15:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:49<sanaz>hello, any body can tell me can i install gnome 3.12 on debian wheezy?
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15:50<towo`>sanaz, you can't
15:50<sanaz>this gnome is it stable
15:50<sanaz>?
15:51<towo`>what?
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15:51<sanaz>gnome 3.12 is stable?
15:51<towo`>depends on defination
15:52<towo`>but gnome 3.12 is only in experimental
15:52<towo`>so you can't install it in wheezy
15:52<sanaz>ok. thank you
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17:13<test123>hello, does anyone here play freeciv? I'm on Wheezy using GNOME 3. The Freeciv theme doesn't seem to be working on freeciv-client-gtk
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17:16<centrx>test123, Can you be more specific?
17:17<centrx>test123, It seemed to work for me, but I am on testing. You could try the wheezy-backport.
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17:17<debian-laptop>Hi. I installed Windows on a separate partition after installing Debian and it override GRUB2. What is the best way to get GRUB2 back? I had a (really) old live CD and I used it to issue `grub-install` but it gave me a minimal grub CLI which returns 'Cannot mount selected partition' for everything I try.
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17:19<test123>centrx: If you take a look at this: https://screenshots.debian.net/screenshots/f/freeciv-client-gtk/369_large.png , the client's main window has the light brownish texture. But this doesn't happen for me. I just get the default system theme.
17:20<llenn>Is there a know issue with 3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.54 mismatch modules from dmesg - fuse: Unknown symbol nosteal_pipe_buf_ops (err 0)
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17:22<macfreak>hi ther
17:22<macfreak>e
17:22<macfreak>I'm trying to make a set-top box with built in pvr to record tv shows
17:23<macfreak>and would like to control pause recording and resume recording from outside
17:24<macfreak>and say, tell 100 boxes at a given time, to start or stop recording
17:24<macfreak>should I use push messages or bind to a port, or maybe use multicast ?
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17:26<macfreak>I understand that multicast often gets blocked, so that will probably be out of the question
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17:27<musca>Ewww, he left ^
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17:34<Marillion>llenn: a new kernel is released, 3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.54 is obsolete
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17:36<llenn>thanks Marillion
17:36<Marillion>np
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18:26<raggarn>hello
18:27<raggarn>my /tmp is full, but I can only see a few kb worth of files in there, even as root (and listing hidden files)
18:27<raggarn>is there some way to clean it?
18:29<somiaj>raggarn: could it be your root partition is full, but the errors you get is just about not enough room in /tmp?
18:29<somiaj>raggarn: look at the output of df -h
18:29<somiaj>raggarn: if you don't have another parititon mounted at /tmp, look at the size of the root filesystem, /
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18:30<ncl>tmp defaults as a tmpfs these days, I've noticed if flash caches things, it often goes to /tmp/ but you can't really see any file there taking up space
18:30<ncl>and sometimes it can fill it up
18:30<raggarn>yeah, df -h says 100% use for /tmp (349MB of 368MB). root is 52% full (159MB of 322MB).
18:30<raggarn>oh, flash... I am watching youtube
18:31<somiaj>yea wasn't sure if it defaulted to tmpfs or not, on my system /tmp isn't in tmpfs
18:31<ncl>If you have dash on youtube turned off (ie it downloads the entire video instead of 1 minute ahead or whatever), yeah that might be what's causing it
18:32<raggarn>yeah, closing firefox, now it's 3% used in tmp
18:33<raggarn>alright, thanks. I'll have to enlarge that partition or something :)
18:34<musca>yes, too many, too small partitions?
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18:34<somiaj>raggarn: if you don't want to use tmpfs for /tmp or use more of your ram for it check /etc/defaults/tmpfs
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18:36<ncl>You can resize a tmpfs /tmp with something like mount -o remount,size=1G /tmp
18:36<raggarn>I installed on encrypted lvm, so I just picked the defaults for everything. 340 MB does seem small
18:36<ncl>but I guess the better fix would be to change whatever makes flash act that way
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18:39<raggarn>well, it took a few hours of videos before it happened. it's not even flash, I have gnash installed but turned off. so I guess it must have been html5... or something else firefox does
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20:10<Demontager>Hi! I have a problem with installing IceWM, actually it installed but can't run it as Xorg reports"Fatal X server error No screens found"
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21:58<devesh38>i want to more debian softere installing
21:59<somiaj>Demontager: Sounds like a driver problem with your video driver, do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or any files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/) if so back them up and move them out of the way
22:00<somiaj>Demontager: unless you need special drivers or settings a blank one shoudl work. Also what video card d you have
22:00<somiaj>devesh38: your question makes little sense, 'apt-get install packagenames' will help you install more stuff just figure out the names of the packages you want
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22:02<devesh38>but package not insttaling on my os
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22:03<somiaj>devesh38: still having trouble figuring out what you need help with, do you speak another language, maybe I can direct you to a support channel in your language
22:03<somiaj>devesh38: or do you need help installing debian? If so what steps have you taken to try to install debian?
22:03<abrotman>Indian fella based on IP
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