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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-04-28

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01:12<twb>OK, I'm going insane.
01:12<twb>Was fonts-liberation in wheezy-backports, and now not?
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01:15<twb>Answer: no, I just confused it with fonts-opensymbol
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01:18<twb>This, boys and girls, is why twb normally squashes fixup! commits.
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01:49<alumno>hola
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01:51<conrad>Buenas noches alumno
01:51<alumno>hola conrad
01:52<alumno>soy super novato en linux
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01:52<conrad>Debian's a great choice :)
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01:53<alumno>te puedo hacer una pregunta
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01:54<themill>!es
01:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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01:57<twb>Maybe those entries should include the !english one as well
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01:57<twb>(Translated, of course)
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01:58<twb>I guess the first sentence mostly covers it.
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01:58<twb>"or your best English here anyway & we'll try to cope."
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02:08<mish_>эй
02:08<mish_>всем привет
02:08<mish_>есть тут кто?
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02:15<rjsalts>!ru
02:15<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
02:15<twb>I think !uk actually
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02:15<twb>!uk
02:15<dpkg>hmm... uk is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and comprises the countries of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. (Under ISO 3166-1, it should have been .gb not .uk, but that never quite caught on.)
02:15<twb>Boo!
02:15<rjsalts>!ua
02:15<dpkg>Ukraine - ua ukr 804 User Agent. It refers to web clients, and what they send to the web server as "who they are". It can be easily faked.
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02:16<rjsalts>!ukr
02:16<twb>Anyway whois says his ISP is based in Ukraine.
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02:16<twb>ua is the country code, uk[r] is the language code
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02:17<xbian>hello i have got a problem with standby in wheezy
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02:18<xbian>it always wakes up immideately without any action
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02:18<twb>How are you suspending
02:19<twb>xbian: does "lspci -nn | grep -i lynx.point" return any matches? (I just need yes/no)
02:19<xbian>in gnome3 with logout menu
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02:20<xbian>its an medion akoya 97320
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02:24<twb>xbian: that means nothing to me. I happen to know this is a symptom of early Lynx Point systems. Otherwise I dunno.
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02:26<xbian>but afaik lynx is a console webbrowser ?
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02:43<xbian>twb: iam sorry i didnt know what you ment and i am at work at the moment. I will try to solve the problem another time...
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02:43<twb>lynx point is a recent chipset from intel
02:44<twb>It is not related to the browser.
02:44<twb>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_Point#Issues
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02:44<twb>Sorry wrong link
02:44<twb>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_Point#Issues_3
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02:59<gh0strat>I'm not getting any sound out of my on-board sound nor my creative sound card, and /proc/asound/cards only shows the "Creative X-Fi" card
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02:59<gh0strat>my motherboard is a Gigabyte P35-DS3R, but everything I can find online indicates it should just work
03:00<gh0strat>Could someone help me troubleshoot it?
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03:08<twb>gh0strat: are you using pulseaudio?
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03:09<gh0strat>yes
03:10<twb>Can't help you, sorry.
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03:10<gh0strat>I'm not particularly attached to it, if you wanted to tell me how to switch to something else
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03:14<twb>alsa instead of pulseaudio+alsa
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03:19<gh0strat>twb: my system is basically stock Debian 7.4 (except I'm using AwesomeWM). Is it simply a matter of `aptitude remove pulseaudio` to switch?
03:19<twb>I don't know.
03:19<twb>You probably want to purge it and log out (maybe even reboot). I never install pulseaudio in the first place.
03:20<twb>There are other people here who might help you with it.
03:20<taruti>How do I run a shell script with output to the *console* as the last thing in startup in recent sid with systemd? (trying to debug a system where login is impossible)
03:20<twb>Basically I'm just going to tell you to check alsamixer -c 0, 1, ... N
03:20<twb>And aplay -c0 foo.wav
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03:22<gh0strat>alsamixer -c 0 brings up the mixer for my Creative X-Fi card
03:22<gh0strat>alsamixer -c 1 says "invalid card index: 1"
03:23<gh0strat>aplay -C0 says "aplay: main:538: value 0 for channels is invalid
03:23<twb>Except if pulseaudio is in use, it will lie
03:23<gh0strat>ah
03:23<twb>alsamixer will show the pulseaudio pretend card
03:24<twb>With only one mixer channel
03:24<twb>Not sure if it changes the title to your real card -- I didn't think it did. So maybe you aren't using pulseaudio at all
03:24<twb>aplay -c0 not -C0 -- but -c0 should be the default, so just "aplay foo.wav" should be fine.
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03:27<gh0strat>don't have any .wav files laying around, but I get what is presumably my error sound when I type
03:27<gh0strat>$ aplay foo.wav
03:27<gh0strat>foo.wav: No such file or directory
03:27<twb>Find one somewhere
03:28<twb>alsa-utils has some
03:28<twb>aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*.wav
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03:30<twb>(NB: they say "side left" and stuff, but they are mono tracks and will play equally from all speakers with aplay)
03:30<gh0strat>it claims to be playing, but I hear nothing
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03:30<gh0strat>switched my speaker back and forth between onboard and sound card, still nothing
03:30<gh0strat>and yes, I was plugging it into the correct port
03:31<twb>OK in alsamixer do you see many mixer channels?
03:31<twb>Go set them all to 80% and unmuted
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03:31<twb>http://sprunge.us/JUgK example
03:33<twb>Do you speakers just have a single 3.5mm TRS plug?
03:33<gh0strat>yes
03:33<twb>And you're plugging it into the motherboard socket that is (probably) green?
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03:33<gh0strat>I tried that one, and I've also plugged it in to the second port from the right on my Creative sound card
03:34<gh0strat>(first plug is for the mic)
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03:34<gh0strat>alsamixer is showing the settings from the Creative X-Fi card only. It can't seem to see my motherboard at all
03:34<twb>lspci -nn | grep Audio
03:35<gh0strat>that seems to have worked fine
03:35<gh0strat>$ lspci -nn | grep Audio
03:35<gh0strat>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:293e] (rev 02)
03:35<gh0strat>01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: NVIDIA Corporation GK104 HDMI Audio Controller [10de:0e0a] (rev a1)
03:35<gh0strat>well, that one doesn't show my Creative sound card
03:35<gh0strat>oddly enough
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03:36<twb>It might not match "Audio"
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03:36<gh0strat>ah, good call
03:37<twb>judd pciid 8086:293e
03:37<judd>[8086:293e] is '82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:293e and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
03:37<twb>So that SHOULD be working
03:37<twb>Is it turned off in the BIOS?
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03:37<twb>Your other one, the HDMI one, is for when you want to play sound via your HDMI connector (e.g. to speakers in your monitor)
03:37<gh0strat>I didn't mess with it, and other than setting my window manager to AwesomeWM, I haven't changed anything
03:38<twb>gh0strat: I'm stumped, sorry
03:39<gh0strat>hmmm, just ran alsamixer again and it shows Card: PulseAudio when I first start it
03:39<gh0strat>apparently, killall -9 pulseaudio is not enough to keep it down. Something has been re-starting it
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03:40<twb>gh0strat: that's because pa is running now
03:41<twb>probably some GUI thing autostarts it
03:41<twb>e.g. your browser
03:41<gh0strat>I think alsamixer itself is starting it
03:42<gh0strat>killall tells me "no process found", but the instant I start alsamixer, it returns silently (indicating pulseaudio was running)
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03:43<gh0strat>well, it's kinda late for me
03:43<gh0strat>thanks for the help twb!
03:43<twb>good luck
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04:22<Demontager>Is someone using ICeWW ? I got srange problem with loading it
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04:23<biobot>hello
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04:27<twb>Demontager: do you mean icewm?
04:28<Demontager>yes, the problem is i can't startx after it installation
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04:28<Demontager>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=113909
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04:29<xbian>~/exit
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04:30<twb>Demontager: do "sudo startx -- /usr/bin/xlogo".
04:30<twb>Demontager: if you don't get a fancy "X" letter, pastebint Xorg.0.log
04:30<twb>Demontager: it sounds like your problem is not icewm, but your X server config
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04:32<Demontager><twb>, yes, i know, actually icewm started on Virtualbox, but when i done dd copy to flash drive it not boot.
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04:33<twb>I guess you screwed that up
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04:34<Demontager>should work, i use Virtualbox to do quick setup on hdd, then i dd to usb stick
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04:35<Demontager><twb> just a moment, i ll boot and fech Xorg log
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04:39<twb>yeah it *should* work
04:40<twb>assuming the USB key is the same size or larger
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04:40<Demontager>hmm, booted on one of my laptops with nvidia, will switch to another...
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04:48<kevin_>yeeeeeee
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04:49<kevin_>yeeeeee
04:49<acoran>yieee
04:49<kevin_>bitch
04:49<acoran>yieee
04:49<kevin_>yeeeee
04:49<OdyX>!ask
04:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:49<acoran>!ask
04:49<acoran>!help
04:49<acoran>!hello word
04:49<acoran>!hello world
04:49<dpkg>somebody said hello world was 10 PRINT "Hello World!", or perl -e 'print "Hello World!\n";', or int main() { puts("Hello World!"); }
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04:50<acoran>("Hello World!");
04:50<acoran>yieeee
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04:50<kevin_>yeee
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05:29<pwr>does systemd in sid ignore all /etc/default stuff ?
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05:30<petn-randall>Hi pwr, jessie/sid are supported on #debian-next, please go and ask there.
05:30<pwr>okay, thank you
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05:43<Big-Blue>does using backports make the stable version of Debian considerably less stable?
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05:45<babilen>Big-Blue: Yes as "stable" in the context of Debian simply means "not changing" -- backports are, however, reasonably safe to use. Also read <backports caveat> and <backports> -- /msg dpkg backports
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05:46<Big-Blue>thanks babilen, I guess I should ask the dpkg-bot more often
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05:56<xbian>hallo?
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06:00<SynrG>Big-Blue: i wouldn't say "considerably". this entirely depends on what you install from it.
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06:01<SynrG>if the rate of change is low for what you install, then your decrease in "stability" (i.e. rate of change) is correspondingly low ...
06:02<SynrG>when you add backports, you do not automatically get upgrades of *everything* for backports. you must explicitly install from it.
06:02<SynrG>so adding the backports repo to your sources.list has exactly zero effect on stability
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06:03<Big-Blue>well, I planned to grab the new kernel and graphics drivers from there, which I'd guess is quite a big change
06:03<SynrG>it is. but then again, it either works or doesn't work for you.
06:04<Big-Blue>if it doesn't, I'll probably need to switch to unstable - whether that's a good idea or not will reveal itself in the long term, I guess
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06:13<ginko>OT but need help desperately; libreoffice autoformat does not work -> http://postimg.org/image/yyeqqylj3/ (this is after completely resetting libreoffice by deleting data in ~/.config/libreoffice)
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06:30<xbian>disconnect
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06:35<SynrGy>Big-Blue: there are proabably other things to try *before* a wholesale switch to unstable. on the other hand, a throw-away unstable image to boot & test could settle for you whether the new version(s) are worth backporting/waiting for.
06:35<SynrGy>Big-Blue: which graphics chipset?
06:35<SynrGy>probably*
06:36<Big-Blue>my current desktop PC sports an HD7970, so it might be worth testing radeonsi
06:36<SynrGy>ok. so you're trying fglrx + kernel from wheezy-backports?
06:37<SynrGy>there is no updated free radeon driver for wheezy-backports :(
06:37<Big-Blue>if I'd go the backports route, I'd definitely choose fglrx, yes
06:38<SynrGy>and then there's the possibility a newer driver from testing or unstable would work against stable (though mixing stable + testing/unstable is generally unsupported ... but still, if it works ...)
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06:39<SynrGy>,v fglrx-driver
06:39<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.3~beta1.0-1; sid/non-free: 1:14.4~rc1.0.apr17-1
06:39<SynrGy>three different candidates for solving your issues.
06:39<SynrGy>,kernels
06:39<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-trunk-686-pae (3.14.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.10-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.13.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze5)
06:40<SynrGy>and the kernel in backports currently matches the one in sid
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08:32<Maulkin>!ask
08:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:33<rostam>HI in our lab I have a server & client systems. Our client system have a disk with two partitions, sda1 & sda2. I have installed Wheeze on sda1. The client system boots from sda1. I like to know if I can install another instance of wheeze on sda2. Using a kickstart file and whatever is needed on the server system? Thx
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08:34<phroddon_>something went wrong during dists/wheezy/Release generation on ftp.fr.debian.org mirror. Example: 0907e3a6991c36616f0cb33c6b281ab9 61091 main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Correct md5 should be: 4b36797407d5d522c52dc34edbab556e
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08:35<phroddon_>oops, just found that a #debian-mirrors channel exists :)
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08:43<phroddon_>I reported the pb there ^, bye
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08:46<themill>phroddon_: the mirror looks fine to me
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09:20<josesantillanadelpastor>hello
09:20<josesantillanadelpastor>mi nome is rfodrigou
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09:37<ruslanas>hi team, I have updated today my debian box, from a testig repo, and it removed chromium package and I am not able to install it. because it depends on libudev0 and this package is not available on the system... I am using contrib non-free main repos from testing branch, and a skype repo.
09:38<abrotman>ruslanas: you may need to use another browser for a few days .. It did warn you it was going to do that
09:38<ruslanas>yes
09:38<babilen>(and you decided to remove it)
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09:38<ruslanas>ir warned me, but I thought that it was some "meta" packages :)
09:38<ruslanas>ir = it
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09:39<ruslanas>yes, no worries, I will make meta package and install it :)
09:39<babilen>It is not unfortuanately (in this case) -- I'm with abrotman on this. Please also note that #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support
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09:39<ruslanas>but just informing team to know
09:39<abrotman>we already know :)
09:39<ruslanas>oh, beep, forgot about it... sorry team
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09:40<ruslanas>ok, then, thanks, so hope to get it next time when I will power on my home pc :)
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09:41<ruslanas>have a nice $day_time
09:41<babilen>likewise :)
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09:42<ruslanas>oops, I do not know any other browsers I like... whant would you suggest?
09:42<ruslanas>oh yeah, to make meta package :)
09:42<babilen>Iceweasel is a sensible choice
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09:42<ruslanas>rekonq
09:42<babilen>*shrug*
09:43<ruslanas>VoV
09:43<ruslanas>Oh, i know! dillo!
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09:44<Sleize>salut
09:44<babilen>ruslanas: There really is not need to mention every single niche browswer in existance in this channel now :)
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09:45<ruslanas>no more browsers, only pagers :)
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09:46<SpyXx>$day_time
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09:46<SpyXx>can someone tell me something about zsh?
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10:56<echfiv>I just upgraded all these qemu-packages in wheezy. Now seamless mouse integration does not work anymore, like it did before... mouse is jailed in the VM until ctrl+alt is pressed
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10:57<planetmaker>echfiv, iirc qemu has a setting to (dis)allow trapping of mouse or not
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10:58<planetmaker>maybe that got renamed / changed or something?
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10:59<echfiv>planetmaker: or it has been broken :-)
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11:01<planetmaker>of course. You can assume s/o else (the programmer) did a mistake. Or you can first check whether it's an oversight on your part
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11:01<planetmaker>The first is easier. But can be emabarassing, if you didn't at least check for the 2nd option
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11:03<echfiv>planetmaker: when things don't work as people get used to it, it is always an anti-feature
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11:06<echfiv>planetmaker: hmm, can't find anything about it. I'll wait a few days and then, when it doesn't get fixed, complain via dev's mail
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11:22<rostam>HI in our lab I have a server & client systems. Our client system have a disk with two partitions, sda1 & sda2. I have installed Debian on sda1. The client system boots from sda1. I like to know if I can install another instance of debian on sda2. Using a kickstart file and whatever is needed on the server system? Thx
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11:49<petn-randall>rostam: You could use debootstrap for that. Out of curiosity, why are you installing two instances of Debian onto the same HDD?
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11:59<rostam>petn-randall, thanks for info. We are in embedded environment, in case of a disk corruption (a partition) our system has mechansim to detect and try to boot from the other partition. My question was related after we detected the corruption how to recover from it. Thanks again.
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12:11<Maulkin>Someone remind me: what was the handy tool that makes virtual package creation simple?
12:11<OdyX>Maulkin: equivs ?
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12:12<Maulkin>OdyX: that's the badger, thanks
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12:18<planetmaker>echfiv, there's a bug tracker surely for complaints about bugs or missing functionality
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12:18<planetmaker>from my experience and workflow that's also way more efficient than e-mails to any particular dev
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12:38<leot>good evening all
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12:40<leot>Does "tasksel install standard" produces any output?
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12:40<leot>I'm running it for 1-2 hours after I've installed Debian GNU/Linux stable on a cubieboard2 (armhf) via debootstrap --variant=minbase
12:41<leot>but it still running
12:42<leot>that's just what i can read: http://sprunge.us/JOWQ
12:43<leot>(apt-get, apt-cache and dpkg are working)
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12:47<somiaj>leot: I would assume so, but I don't use tasksel, if you want standard you can do it with aptitude
12:47<somiaj>!standard task
12:47<dpkg>standard task is probably a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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12:50<leot>somiaj: yes, i read that on the wiki... so i can just install aptitude and then do that... let's see :)
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12:58<leot>somiaj: thank you it's working (altough i've removed ~pstandard to avoid exim4 and other servers)
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13:08<somiaj>leot: well then you didn't want the standard task. (:
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13:37<petn-randall>rostam: Ah, I see. I guess it makes sense, especially when those partitions are different flash disks.
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13:39<mehmett>EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
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13:42<petn-randall>Yes. Yes, indeed.
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14:20<mikep>hello
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14:22<mikep>i have a strange issue with my server... one of the cores is at 100% most of time but wwhen i do htop i cant see any process that uses so much or others combined...
14:22<ixi>is it a physical server
14:22<mikep>yes
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14:25<roughnecks>try with "top", sometimes htop doesn't show me things like mdadm checking for raid status
14:26<mikep>hm strange
14:26<mikep>with top i dont see 100%
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14:27<mikep>so its nothing to be concernd about ?
14:27<roughnecks>i don't know
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14:28<mikep>maybe there is a command to see what is running on which core
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14:38<Gorwell>Hello, i've downloaded a file using Transmission, the download is complete but the file is still .part and it won't run. How could I fix it?
14:39<centrx>Gorwell, transmission may be verifying the file?
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14:40<Gorwell>centrx: it appears as finished and I have already verified it :(
14:40<centrx>Gorwell, You could try copying it and renaming it yourself?
14:40<centrx>Gorwell, Is transmission still running?
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14:41<wmorri>hi, i am wondering if there is a deb package yet for the 3.14.2 kernel?
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14:41<Gorwell>centrx: it is running, yes. But if I try to run it some parts of the video are missin and audio too
14:41<somiaj>wmorri: it will be a while for it to make it into wheezy-backports. It is still in expermintial and needs to be put into sid, then filter to jessie, then have a backport made.
14:41<Gorwell>Could I force transmision to redownload some parts of the file?
14:43<wmorri>somiaj, okay I will keep working on building them myself. thanks.
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14:47<somiaj>wmorri: /msg dpkg ssb (if you want to try to build the debian experimental package). Though is there something you need in 3.14 that isn't in 3.13?
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15:19<pootie>hey
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15:22<Pepper>!ask
15:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:45<marsuc>hello there!
15:45<musca>hello marsuc
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15:47<marsuc>how are you musca?
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15:48<musca>marsuc: this channel is for support questions only, but we can talk in #debian-offtopic
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15:49<marsuc>oh! I'm sorry!
15:50<musca>no problem
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16:08<goneeuro>can someone tell me why when running dist-upgrade I am getting 7 packages held back?
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16:09<goneeuro>libwbclient0, lsb-base, lsb-release, samba-common, smbclient, winbind, xbmc
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16:10<madduck>goneeuro: the upgrade would pull in new dependencies; if you want that, use dist-upgrade
16:10<goneeuro>I did dist-upgrade
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16:11<SynrG>!bat
16:11<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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16:18<goneeuro>dpkg: root@raspbmc:/home/pi# apt-get dist-upgrade
16:18<dpkg>goneeuro: bugger all, i dunno
16:18<goneeuro>Reading package lists... Done
16:18<goneeuro>Building dependency tree
16:18<goneeuro>Reading state information... Done
16:18<goneeuro>Calculating upgrade... Done
16:18<goneeuro>The following packages have been kept back:
16:18-!-goneeuro was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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16:21<goneeuro>http://paste.debian.net/96277
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16:22<goneeuro>I got kicked out when I pasted to many lines.
16:22<SynrG>And apt-cache policy
16:22<SynrG>So we noticed.
16:22<babilen>goneeuro: Are you running raspbian?
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16:23<goneeuro>http://paste.debian.net/96278
16:23<babilen>dpkg: raspbian
16:23<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
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16:24<babilen>goneeuro: Also try aptitude and double-check that you have not pinned or set on hold anything.
16:24<babilen>dpkg: tell goneeuro -about kept back
16:24<babilen>goneeuro: All the best!
16:24<goneeuro>Thanks for the tips. I knew it was based on debian so I thought I could ask here.
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16:30<koz>Hi everyone. I would like to set Chromium as the thing that opens documentation htmls rather than Iceweasel. How would I do that?
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16:32<MrFrood>koz: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives
16:32<koz>MrFrood: Thanks!
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16:37<boe__>ciao
16:37<boe__>!list
16:37<dpkg>boe__: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
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17:47<eliad>Hi, does anyone know why libudev0 has not migrated to testing?
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17:52<csotelo>hello people, I will do a OT question related with ssh, at my job they are doing a screen session, wher a ssh L tunel is build for finally do a wget for get a fileremote file on that tunnel, my question is if is possible to do a ssl and a scp on a cronjob intead the process described. THanks a lot
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17:54<KillYourTV>libudev1 supercedes libudev0
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17:55<KillYourTV>and packages don't migrate from stable to testing. Right now libudev0 is only in squeeze and wheezy
17:56<eliad>from sid to testing
17:56<eliad>it wast there before
17:56<dondelelcaro>csotelo: why not just use ssh to invoke the command directly instead of using a bind? [Unless you're going to do lots of it... but in that case, you might just use a master connection and tear it down at the end.]
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17:57<KillYourTV>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libudev0 but it's not now
17:57<eliad>I'm sure because the new version of chromium which depends on it has come to jessie.
17:57<eliad>so libudev0 must have been removed from testing, or something.
17:58<KillYourTV>I'm on chromium 34.0.1847.116-2 which depends on libudev1
17:58<KillYourTV>(from Sid)
17:58<eliad>ah.
17:59<KillYourTV>specifically, libudev1 (>= 183)
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17:59<eliad>So, shouldn't there be some kind of explanation on the PTS?
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18:01<dondelelcaro>eliad: no
18:01<eliad> 34.0.1847.116-2 will come to testing in a few days. So there shouldn't be any problems.
18:02<csotelo>dondelelcaro, let me explain the reason, I have a remote host that is used as a gateway for remote lan, and I each weekend, a backup is generated on a remote lan machine and must be copied to the remote host using the lan gateway ( I hope been clear )
18:03<dondelelcaro>err, that no wasn't really useful...
18:04<dondelelcaro>csotelo: what's not clear is why you can't just ssh gatewayhost -t ssh remotehost 'cat foofile' > localfile; or whatever is appropriate
18:04<eliad>dondelelcaro, exactly
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18:05<csotelo>dondelelcaro, that is what I am looking foor trying to find the right way to do for use it on cron instead a creen session on friday night that is how it is been doing
18:05<dondelelcaro>I meant to say that you can have a library with two different sonames built from a different source package in a distribution
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18:05<dondelelcaro>but that's not really the case with libudev
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18:09<eliad>What I'm trying to understand is when can a package be removed from testing while other packages in testing depend on it. Is that in Debian Policy Manual?
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18:10<eliad>Or is it just the DD/DM's decision?
18:11<ncl>How would I image a sd card, but only the section of it that I'm using?
18:12<ncl>ie I have a 16gb card and want to make a restorable image of it, but I'm only using ~3gb, how would I image only that 3gb I'm using
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18:20<csotelo>dondelelcaro, that works as I need... question please.. it could work with large files.. like a 10GB
18:20<csotelo>my office use wget cause of -c option
18:20<dondelelcaro>csotelo: yes, it'll work for any size file
18:20<csotelo>dondelelcaro, athanks a lot
18:21<dondelelcaro>csotelo: if you need it to work with continuation, then use rsync
18:21<dondelelcaro>(which is probably better to use anyway)
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18:24<dondelelcaro>in which case you do things like rsync -avP -e 'ssh gateway -t ssh remote' remote:file localfile;
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18:35<csotelo>dondelelcaro, thanks a lot man!
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18:36<csotelo>yes--- oculd be better cause is a large file that usually spend more than one day and it must be runned just on night in oprder not to use office band with od working time
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18:40<dondelelcaro>yeah; the advantage of rsync is that it'll avoid copying data which is the same
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18:41<dondelelcaro>which is almost certainly what you always want
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18:55<crunchbang>I just got an email with a hash at the end of it. Anyone know what the purpose of this is? "HTML-5DE3BE64-2D3D-4BAE-90C9-6A8CD83A3D5B"
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19:02<csotelo>dondelelcaro, just one more question please, Iam trying rsync -avP -e "ssh usergw@gateway -t ssh remote" remote:/path/myfile.php /local_file; ad give me the error "bash: obras7: command not found" "rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver]" "rsync error: remote command not found (code 127) at io.c(600) [receiver=3.0.6]"
19:02<csotelo>sorry
19:03<csotelo>dondelelcaro, just one more question please, Iam trying rsync -avP -e "ssh usergw@gateway -t ssh remote" remote:/path/myfile.php /local_file; ad give me the error "bash: remote: command not found" "rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver]" "rsync error: remote command not found (code 127) at io.c(600) [receiver=3.0.6]"
19:03<csotelo>sorry for the direct question
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19:10<dondelelcaro>csotelo: sorry, that should be rsync -avP -e 'ssh gateway -t ssh ' remote:file localfile;
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19:23<csotelo>dondelelcaro, thanks a lot .. ia m so glad on your help
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21:14<LordBrain>Is there a way i can see which packages depend on a specified package, i have uml-utilities installed, and i don't know why, How can i figure out what may have brought it in?
21:14<ncl>aptitude why uml-utilities
21:16<LordBrain>if there is an i out there, does that mean i selected it for install and forgot?
21:16<LordBrain>or does that just mean it got installed somehoe
21:17<LordBrain>i may have installed it thinking it was utilities dealing with unified modeling language
21:17<ncl>Means you probably installed it yourself
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21:23<Guest8009>I installed Debian (gnome3) last night. Since then, I've been having a lot of trouble. Things I've installed haven't shown up in the list of apps (Spotify, SecondLife), the root password no longer works, and a few other things have went wrong that I cannot remember.
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21:31<LordBrain>installed or upgraded?
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21:38<Guest8009>installed.
21:39<LordBrain>so you gave it a root password, as part of the install, and that password stopped working?
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21:40<Guest8009>It worked all last night. Then when I tried using it this morning, it doesn't work. I had access to my root terminal this morning but now it doesn't even ask for a password. It simply logs me into the terminal automatically.
21:41<LordBrain>well, if you logged in as root when you were at the gdm prompt, then every terminal is going to run as root...
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21:43<LordBrain>if you run /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart that should bring you back to the prompt/greet screen
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21:43<Guest8009>I didn't login at the gdm prompt. I didn't even think that was possible.
21:43<Guest8009>*login as root
21:43<LordBrain>it used to be possible, maybe they block it now, i dont know
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21:46<Guest8009>I'm signed into my own account through gdm. I'm running a special terminal that automatically becomes root. It's one of the default installed applications "root terminal" When I first started using the OS, it would ask for root password to run that. Now it doesn't. I can't open Synaptic with my root password. Instead, I must open that terminal and start synaptic from there.
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21:48<LordBrain>does synaptic ask for a password at all?
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21:49<Arrowmaster>Guest8009: run the command id in a terminal and see if it says (sudo) anywhere
21:50<Guest8009>Yes, synaptic asks for a password but when I enter it, it doesn't work. and will do Arrowmaster.
21:50<Arrowmaster>did you enter your root password or your user password?
21:50<Guest8009>Are we talking normal term or root terminal.
21:50<Arrowmaster>normal term
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21:51<Guest8009>Sudo doesn't show up anywhere.
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21:52<Arrowmaster>ok which password were you trying when prompted by synaptic
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21:52<Guest8009>root's password.
21:53<Arrowmaster>ok get into a root terminal and run adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo
21:53<Guest8009>ok
21:54<Arrowmaster>try running synaptic again and put in your user password
21:54<Arrowmaster>if that doesnt work you might need to log out and back in first
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21:55<Guest8009>OK, that worked. Thank you. Can I redo root's password from sudo?
21:56<Arrowmaster>you mean change it? yeah you can
21:56<Guest8009>Thanks again.
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22:05<prootik>Всем привет.
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22:26<wardhan>i have set limit as follows: ulimit -c 1024000. it has created 22mb file in home folder. dist-upgrade is segfaulting. can i use to read the core dump file ?
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22:28<wardhan>oops,, can i use gdb to read the data, or the core dump file is useful for debugging an issue ?
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22:35<SamB>wardhan: you can sure try
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22:36<wardhan>samb, i am at loss about how to use gdb, can u provide me a source to try a thing or two
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22:38<SamB>wardhan: well, start it with "gdb corefile"
22:38<SamB>whatever the name of the corefile is
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23:48<wei2003>2003
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