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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-05-02

---Logopened Fri May 02 00:00:53 2014
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00:02<GuyThatNeedsHelp>How would i find out which package i need?
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00:08<shadow>GuyThatNeedsHelp: probably firmware-linux-nonfree
00:09<shadow>GuyThatNeedsHelp: though, as centrx mentioned, there's a cd image containing all these non free firmwares
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00:14<GuyThatNeedsHelp>Can you link me a cd with Debian and with firmware n stuff
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00:20<centrx>GuyThatNeedsHelp, <centrx> GuyThatNeedsHelp, There's http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
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01:13<thon>Hi all, does anyone hav few moments to dispense a bit of advice regardiing Crunchbang and audio drivers?
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01:15<Nemoder>!crunchbang
01:15<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
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02:23<anderson>hi
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07:42<jinxard>Hi! Any of you know the name of the Debian distro that uses an oldschool DE?
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07:42<jinxard>cant remember the name of it
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07:44<bdog7>that is very broard jinxard
07:45<babilen>jinxard: Which DE are you thinking of? Most of them are, however, not really old-school and you are probably looking for window managers such as windowmaker or fwwm
07:46<jinxard>I know :) I think it looked similar to the DE seen in the 1st Jurassic Park movie...lol
07:46<jinxard>if that makes sense :P
07:46<babilen>Do you have a picture?
07:46<jinxard>I found the distro some time ago, but cant remember the name...doh
07:47<babilen>jinxard: Well, you typically don't have to install a new distribution just to get a different WM or DE
07:47<babilen>(and we would only support Debian anyway)
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07:52<babilen>jinxard: Are you thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn the "It's a UNIX system. I know this!" one?
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07:53<jinxard>I found it guys
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07:53<jinxard>I was thinking of CDE, a Unix DE
07:53<babilen>judd: info cde
07:53<judd>Package cde (utils, optional) in wheezy/i386: package everything required to execute a Linux command on another computer. Version: 0.1-1; Size: 318.7k; Installed: 813k; Homepage: http://www.stanford.edu/~pgbovine/cdepack.html
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07:53<jinxard>and theres a debian distro with CDE, called CDEbian
07:54<babilen>Hmm, that is probably something else
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08:17<Guest8390>hello, i m running debian wheezy, after sleep mode the wifi tries to connect but it says authentification needed but there doesnt pop up any form to authenticate, the network is WPA2 PEAP MSCHAPv2 (eduroam), so i ve to turn of wifi and turn it on again, anyone got an idea what this is about?
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08:21<babilen>judd: bug #705667
08:21<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/705667 in network-manager (open): «network-manager: automatic connect fails after suspend/resume when password is in user keyring»; severity: important; opened: 2013-04-18; last modified: 2013-04-18.
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08:21<babilen>Guest8390: ^^^ -- do you have it defined as a per-user or system connection?
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08:24<Guest8390>per user
08:26<babilen>Guest8390: Okay, please define it as a system connection (I strongly prefer that for all my connections as they are no longer reliant on a working X session) and try again. I would also recommend to write a short mail to 705667@bugs.debian.org in which you confirm the issue. Maybe it should really be brought to upstream's attention as mbiebl suggested
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08:26<babilen>"system connection" == "available to all users"
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08:27<Guest8390>ok thank you i m going to try it
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08:30<babilen>Guest8390: Let me know how it worked out
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08:39<Guest8390>the network is already in the /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections folder owned by root and has rw rights, so its a system connection?
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08:44<babilen>Guest8390: Do you have the checkmark for "Available to all users" if you edit it in network manager?
08:44<Guest8390>yes
08:45<babilen>Guest8390: It is defined as a system connection in that case.
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08:45<babilen>Which means that your problem is probably something else.
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08:47<Guest8390>do you have an idea what it could be? my other networks work fine after wake up, but they are just normal WPA2 home wifis
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08:48<babilen>Guest8390: In fact I do not. I have been using eduroam just fine and I also suspend my laptop all the time. Does it reconnect if you click on the network again or do you have to disable networking and then reenable it?
08:49<babilen>Guest8390: Could you paste relevant entries from /var/log/daemon.log to http://paste.debian.net ?
08:50<Guest8390>babilen: i have to disable wifi OR connect to another wifi and then back to eduroam... yes i try to search for relevant entries and paste them
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09:27<Guest8390>ok i posted what i think was related to the problem http://paste.debian.net/96994/
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09:29<babilen>Guest8390: Which desktop environment is that?
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09:34<babilen>Guest8390: Can you confirm that your password is set correct in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/*eduroam* ?
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09:53<peter_>hi its me Guest8390 wifi kicked me, in etc/nm/s-c/eduroam there is no password written, desktop is gnome i would say the normal shipped with debian
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09:56<babilen>peter_: Okay and you are sure that you've enabled "Available to all users" ? Your problem is definitely that the password is not found in there, but apparently stored in your keyring
09:56<babilen>peter_: Not sure how to convince NM to store it in that file though :-/
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09:57<babilen>peter_: Could you paste the file in system-connections (replace any personal information please)
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10:28<althaser>where can be fixed package description on packages.debian.org ?
10:29<OdyX>althaser: report a bug against the corresponding package after checking that it still isn't correct in the sid version.
10:29<OdyX>althaser: that metadata is part of the source package and is uploaded as metadata of the binary packages too, which packages.debian.org reads.
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10:32<althaser>OdyX I changed package description on source package (experimental version yet), but packages.debian.org doesn't read correctly
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10:36<OdyX>althaser: ah, other problem then. Which package ?
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10:36<althaser>OdyX gnome-shell
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10:42<OdyX>althaser: https://packages.debian.org/sid/gnome-shell will always have sid's description, https://packages.debian.org/experimental/gnome-shell doesn't have the description for any package, sooo
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10:47<althaser>OdyX yes, experimental version doesn't have now because it was changed and packages.debian.org never read the new description ...
10:49<OdyX>so there's no issue ?
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10:50<althaser>why the new description on experimental version doesn't show up on packages.debian.org OdyX ?
10:52<themill>althaser: descriptions for experimental packages aren't shown
10:52<OdyX>althaser: I don't know.
10:52<OdyX>themill: hrm: https://packages.debian.org/experimental/admin/aptitude-common ?
10:53<themill>weird
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11:01<althaser>yeah, that's the issue, experimental packages has descriptions also
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11:01<althaser>thanks OdyX themill
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11:16<cronnic>Hello
11:16<retrospectacus>hi
11:17<cronnic>Having difficulty installing iptables TARPIT on wheezy 2.6.32-5-686 i686
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11:18<cronnic>when I run module-assistant --verbose --text-mode auto-install xtables-addons
11:19<retrospectacus>2.6.32 is squeeze no wheezy
11:19<cronnic>I get the following: Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found
11:19<cronnic>and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use
11:20<retrospectacus>well you may install headers via the linux-headers-** packages
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11:21<cronnic>when I run uname -rm the response is:2.6.32-5-686 i686
11:22<cronnic>I tried installing the linux-headers package. No go
11:22<retrospectacus>why are you running such an old kernel?
11:23<cronnic>suggestion on a kernel upgrade?
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11:25<cronnic>32 bit i386
11:27<retrospectacus>well, yes, if you're really running wheezy, but I'm not sure if it will help your problem
11:27<retrospectacus>though headers should be available for the newer kernel
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11:28<retrospectacus>perhaps you just didn't choose the new one at the grub screen (it is already installed)
11:28<cronnic>Yes
11:29<cronnic>Which one would you recommend? linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae - Linux 3.2 for modern PCs
11:30<retrospectacus>yea
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11:31<cronnic>I'll try that. Thank you for your time.
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11:49<alumno_>hola
11:49<alumno_>como funciona esto
11:49<alumno_>hola'
11:49<alumno_>?
11:49<lostatwork>!es
11:49<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:50<alumno_>hi
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11:55<chiaa>hola
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12:09<chiaa>como mierda se usa esto
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12:50<rundmc>hi all
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12:51<rundmc>need help in spanish please
12:51<rundmc>anyone?
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12:56<centrx>!es
12:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:32<jackt>someone knows why the comman "tar" doesn't work on my wheezy xfce?
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13:35<tamiko>Using the (non graphical) debian installer on a 3000x1??? display is quite a challenge :-]
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13:37<tamiko>jackt: What is the exact command you try to use? And what does "work on my wheezy xfce" mean? We're talking about a command line tool - it is independent of the actual desktop environment.
13:39<jackt>tamiko, tar -xvJf tor-browser-linux32-3.6_en-US.tar.xz
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13:39<jackt>tamiko, this is to extract the file but doesn't work
13:40<mtn>jackt: "doesn't work" is not very informative. maybe you better describe what that means ;)
13:41<tamiko>jackt: Your can just use "-xvf" - modern tar has autodetection for the compression.
13:42<Guest8424>Could someone suggest a good channel to get security advice (I share a router which I have more than one reason to believe has been hacked via syslog and UDP by another user)?
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13:42<jackt>tar (child): tor-browser-linux32-3.6_en-US.tar.xz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
13:42<jackt>tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
13:42<jackt>tar: Child returned status 2
13:42<jackt>tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
13:42-!-jackt was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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13:44<jack>wait I have kiked off, i will pastebin
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13:46<jack>it's ok I have found another way thanks anyway
13:47<babilen>jack: You gave the wrong path (it couldn't find that file)
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14:11<_ynk>hello. I come from a long time using arch linux. everything is good so far but one thing is bothering me - I feel like 1 sec passes since I login to the system until I get a prompt. I mean, typing username, typing password, then wait (longer than I am used to) and then prompt shows up. what can be the cause?
14:12<somiaj>_ynk: this is just loging into a console, no graphical interface?
14:12<_ynk>somiaj: Yep
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14:13<_ynk>its not critical, I am just wondering what actually happens when I finish typing the password, and how I could speed up -whetever it is-.
14:13<somiaj>_ynk: I'm unsure all that is run during that, but one thing is does, running 'login username' as root seem slow? Maybe try 'su - username'
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14:14<_ynk>yes, it's the same.
14:14<somiaj>it is basically instant here in all cases for me, but I have a fast machine with an ssd, so not sure if I could see any lag. But login(1) I belive is the thing that is ran
14:14<MrFrood>_ynk: you can install packages such as preload or readahead-fedora to try and speed things up
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14:15<somiaj>_ynk: so login() is what is taking a bit to do something, I guess you could try to trace what it is doing to figure out more
14:15<_ynk>It's my ARM machine haha (raspberry pi to be precise)
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14:15<_ynk>MrFrood: I thought about that. Perhaps I better take a look at readahead
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14:16<_ynk>thanks
14:17<somiaj>_ynk: and you are actually running debian on it (not raspbian)?
14:17<_ynk>somiaj: Unfortunately I am running raspbian since it is optimized for the pi. but I admit, I believed #debian will be more likely to help me out (and it seemed right)
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14:18<somiaj>_ynk: but for many social reasons we do not support things based on debian, so this is not the right place to ask for support with rasbian
14:18<somiaj>(well social and techinical)
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14:20<MrFrood>mostly techinical
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14:21<_ynk>somiaj: I know. I understand the reasons too.
14:22<somiaj>I think it depends on the actual issue, a big part is the comunity is part of what you get when you choose a distro. (:
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14:24<_ynk>somiaj: well, even with all the additions and tweaks and *uhm* bloat added to raspbian, I think it is still Debian. surely I understand why this shouldn't be where raspbian questions are asked, but , at least in it's current state, it is debian.
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14:27<MrFrood>!raspbian
14:27<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
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16:12<ratdeptrai>Running wheezy, iceweasel, gnash from standard repos. apt-get says I'm up-to-date with everything, yet when I start up iceweasel, it does a "plugin check" ( https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ ) and reports that my gnash plugin is "outdated" and "vulnerable". Does anyone know why?
16:16<SamB>... hmm, is it the latest upstream version?
16:16<SamB>,pts gnash
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16:17<SamB>oh and also it's got a newer version in jessie/sid
16:17<ratdeptrai>Don't know but if it's "vulnerable," I would think that debian-security would get onto pushing something out to wheezy.
16:17<SamB>ratdeptrai: you would think so
16:18<SamB>it's also possible mozilla.org is just confusing it with actual flash?
16:18<ratdeptrai>Possible.
16:18<ratdeptrai>Blech, who needs flash anyhow. ;-)
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16:19<SamB>personally I'd take comfort in the fact that gnash's relative obscurity probably renders it pretty unattractive for actually bothering to explot
16:19<SamB>*exploit
16:19<usrnix>I think firefox probably says it's vuln regardless, that system is more for windows users and people on old OS :P
16:19<ratdeptrai>Probably, but then shouldn't iceweasel be setup so that it doesn't automatically send people there?
16:19<usrnix>SamB: I wouldn't, Flash is Flash so Gnash is likely vuln to most things that mainline Flash is
16:20<SamB>yeah, another reason it wouldn't likely know Gnash
16:20<ratdeptrai>I didn't go there on purpose, it happened automatically when starting up iceweasel.
16:20<usrnix>ratdeptrai: Maybe they couldn't be bothered to remove it, it technically works, it's just not too useful
16:20<SamB>usrnix: no, see, they have different code with different buffer overflows/use-after-free errors/etc.
16:20<usrnix>weird, I don't get that :s
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16:21<ratdeptrai>Don't know, maybe because of iceweasel version upgrade or something.
16:21<SamB>usrnix: anyway I'd report a bug against that page on bugzilla.mozilla.org asking them to either clarify it or stop mistdetecting gnash
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16:45<awal>ratdeptrai, I believe that iceweasel is just confusing as usrnix said. What you described happens because iceweasel/firefox verify comparing with last flash release. If you install flashplugin-nonfree and you go to mozilla addons and you check if your plugins are up to date I'm pretty sure you will get the same thing you described
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16:50<matze>Hello @ all in the room
16:50<awal>matze, welcome
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18:17<ray>does anyone know of a xbunyu driver for wireless adapter linlksys 300n usb
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18:21<devil_>!ubuntu-irc
18:21<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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18:21<devil_>ray: other than that google for 'debian linlksys 300n'
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18:22<plugwash>Can anyone tell me what !<6> means in traceroute6 output?
18:22<devil_>ray: it helps to have the product and wvendor id provided by lspci -nn
18:22<devil_>-w
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19:17<john>what's this channel all about?
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19:18<SynrGy>john: http://www.debian.org/
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19:19<john>nobody here, goodby
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19:45<kingsley>Can anyone do this? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-02/us-contractors-scale-up-search-for-heartbleed-like-flaws.html
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19:48<Marillion>kingsley: for closed source, sure
19:48<kingsley>Marillion: How about for open source?
19:49<Marillion>kingsley: possible, but NOT easier
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19:51<kingsley>Why?
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19:53<Marillion>kingsley: what do you think? more people see the commits
19:54<kingsley>Marillion: Thanks for asking.
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19:56<kingsley>Marillion: I wonder if the open source community has tools that discover vulnerabilities, and whether they might lead to the vulnerabilities being fixed.
19:57*kingsley needs to go soon.
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19:58<Marillion>kingsley: but you forgot that people make mistakes
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20:04<Marillion>kingsley: and don't need to say "Thanks for asking" if you have more reflection about the topic before, then you have the answer for yourself
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20:09<horux>hello..
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20:10<horux>help ?
20:10<Marillion>!help
20:10<horux>!help
20:10<horux>what ?
20:10<horux>can someone get me some questions?
20:10<Marillion>horux: look at the query by dpkg
20:11<horux>how to install sid packages without upgrading the system, for example want to install wine 1.7 without breaking the system, it is possible?
20:12<zykotick9>!tell horux about ssb
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20:12<horux>!tell
20:13<horux>but when I use apt-get command-unstable .. it updates several libs
20:13<Marillion>horux: that was my nistake, you don't need them
20:13<Marillion>mistake even
20:13<horux>sorry, i did not
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20:16<horux>?
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20:19<Marillion>horux: my mistake was "!help" the character ! is for BOT in this channel, it parse for yourself
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20:20<horux>you can not answer my question?
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20:21<sney>horux: you can't mix sid and stable without either building packages from sid SOURCE, or breaking your system
20:21<stefanct>I am an upstream developer of a package whose maintainer has become too busy to actually maintain the package. can i request an adoption (instead of him) or how should i proceed?
20:21<sney>horux: you CAN mix testing and sid, though. so that might be worth looking into if this isn't a production server
20:22<Marillion>horux: use backports.debian.org for that, it is not recommend to use unstable packages mixed with stable
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20:22<sney>stefanct: #debian-mentors would be more suitable I think, though do you have a confirmation from the maintainer that he can't handle it anymore? if so you can probably just file a RFA and include what the previous maintainer said
20:23<sney>it's much better when maintainers actually say they aren't going to work on something anymore, rather than just fading away
20:23<horux>use the most current wine is not advisable?
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20:23<horux>the problem is that it updates several packages, I would just install the dependencies and wine, is it possible?
20:24<sney>the dependencies are the problem. binary sid packages have binary sid dependencies, and wine is pretty big and messy. it would likely bring in unstable stuff that would mess up the rest of your system. easily important libs like libc or something
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20:25<stefanct>sney: well, we have requested that he updates the package every few months for about a year and got ~no reaction :)
20:25<sney>wine 1.4 supports a huge amount of windows software. have you ACTUALLY TRIED using the wine packages in wheezy?
20:25<sney>stefanct: well, it's still the maintainer's decision whether a particular upstream update really warrants a new upload in debian
20:26<sney>ask in #debian-mentors though since they're the packaging help people
20:26<stefanct>sney: i am 100% sure that he agrees that it should be updated :) will do, thanks
20:29<horux>I understand, the wine still has some bugs 1.4, to be ancient, and do not want to resort to jessie or unstable, I will have to continue using the stable with delayed packages
20:29<horux>thanks for listening.
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20:30<sney>"ancient" pff
20:30<sney>that guy was never around for the years we were stuck with 1.0
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20:38<Marillion>since the beginning of my linux experience i would like that my windows software working on my linux box, and today i must say please remove and destroy microsoft emulation software code for ever
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21:45<canaima>hola
21:45<canaima>cm estas
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23:39<cwiggs>Can someone help me with fglrx and X11 not loading after i install fglrx?
23:40<cwiggs>it doesn't load but when i delete the xorg.con file i can then start X
23:40<cwiggs>: (
23:41<cwiggs>No one?
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23:43<cwiggs>I think my problem lies in the Xorg.conf file
23:43<cwiggs>but i've never manually edited the conf file before
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23:50<Gerowen>Ya know, I recently installed Debian 7 (Like 2 days ago), and I'm actually liking Gnome Shell. At first I thought I wouldn't like it, but I actually find it pretty easy to use.
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23:58<hugg>Gerowen: last year it was changing too much and too quickly. i actually went on a wiki rampage to complain about outdated "cheatsheets"...
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