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01:09<Amish>Hello, I have a connection issue between 2 of my servers. They refeuse to communicate to eachother (Get Connection timed out), while all other servers will communicate to/from them fine (I can ssh to each of them from my computer no problem). They are both running Debian 6.0. They use to connect fine for over half a year, and this issue started up today out of nowhere. They will ping each...
01:09<Amish>...other fine as well. I cannot ssh/ftp from one of them to the other, same errors from both sides. I have tried flushing iptables, added them to hosts.allow, netstat shows port 22 as listening, remade RSA keys, nmap shows all ports being filtered from one to the other, but not when nmap runs from a different server. I cannot seem to find what is blocking the connection, and would appreciate...
01:09<Amish>...any help on this matter.
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03:05<deepblue>how to label /dev/sdb2 as 'Mint'?
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03:21<An>Hey I am trying to install Debian via the "Standard" "Live system". I boot into the shell ok. How do I do an actual install from there i.e. without the graphical installer
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03:32<babilen>An: Why don't you want to use the installer (graphical or text doesn't matter) ?
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03:35<An>When I try the installer from a USB Stick I get through the first few questions regarding Keyboard etc.. and then it tells me I cannot mount the CD-ROM
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03:37<babilen>An: Ah, how did you copy the image to the USB? Why are you using a live image and not the "normal" installer?
03:37<An>So I decided to use the live system, as I had done so with the Gnome image and there was an installer icon on the desktop which worked. I am now trying the debian-7.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso on the USB get to a user@debian~$ shell but cannot find what to do from there to install.
03:38*babilen prefers to fix your problem
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03:40<babilen>An: How did
03:41<babilen>Oh :)
03:41<babilen>An: No interest in answering my questions?
03:41<An>Sorry babilen, not sure what is your question ?
03:42<babilen>An: "How did you copy the image to the USB?"
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03:42<An>I used UNetbootin to create the bootable USB Stick
03:42<babilen>heh
03:42<babilen>dpkg: tell An about unetbootin
03:42<babilen>dpkg: tell An about usb install
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03:43<An>Is there a problem with UNetbootin ?
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03:44<babilen>An: unetbootin is known to break our installers and causes the "cannot mount cd" error during the installation. I would recommend to use the normal installer (and the netinst one with firmware if you are connected to the internet) rather than performing a "manual" install with <debootstrap>
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03:44<babilen>dpkg: tell An -about firmware image
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03:45<babilen>An: But you can use whatever image you want as long as you write it correctly to the USB (cp /path/to/image.iso /dev/sdX ; sync -- with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your USB stick)
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03:46<An>babilen can you expand on this a little
03:46<ananth123>cp ??? not dd ??
03:46<babilen>An: On which part exactly?
03:46<An>IHow does it make it bootable ?
03:47<babilen>ananth123: Yes, dd is slower by default and has awkward syntax
03:47<ananth123>i thought you needed dd to make it bootable... oh well :)
03:47<babilen>An: The image contains *everything* it needs and you don't have to make it bootable. Data is data and you just have to write the right data for it to be "bootable"
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03:48<An>OK, thanks very much I will try that
03:48<babilen>ananth123: dd just copies data and is in no way a "lower level" tool than cp (or anything else). Everything is a file!
03:48<babilen>dpkg: hybrid image
03:48<dpkg>Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>.
03:49<ananth123>babilen: ok!
03:49<babilen>An: Also read the install guide (linked in the <usb install> factoid the bot sent you earlier) which goes into a bit more detail
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03:50<babilen>ananth123: dd is essentially only needed if you don't want to copy an entire file or express things like "copy three blocks of 4k each from /path/to/foo to /path/to/baz". And for that I personally prefer to use the "enhanced dd",dcfldd
03:50<babilen>ananth123: It is a common misconception (no idea why) that "dd" has some kind of superpower that is needed to wrote "down at the device layer"
03:51<ananth123>hehe
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03:51<ananth123>babilen: i assumed that cp would ignore the boot sectors...hence, you wouldnt be able to boot.. i guess i was wrong
03:52<xelan>Hey guys, I put this in /etc/rc.local: '~/.quicktile/quicktile.py -d' so it will autostart, but it doesn't do anything. The command is correct though. What am I doing wrong?
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03:52<ananth123>my understanding of file systems is a bit flaky
03:52<babilen>xelan: Please don't cross-post :)
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03:53<xelan>babilen, sorry :D
03:53<xelan>^ ignore my request everyone :)
03:53<babilen>xelan: But okay, lets keep it here as I won't have to switch channels for you -- And your assumption on freenode is spot on. It is indeed not working because Xorg isn't running yet (and quicktile is not executed "in" Xorg)
03:54<babilen>xelan: Which DE/WM do you want to use it in and how do you start that?
03:54<xelan>babilen, the default xfce installation
03:55<babilen>xelan: Hmm, I'm a bit fuzzy on XFCE details, but it probably has some "autostart" functionality where you can add quicktile
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03:55<xelan>babilen, I think I will be able to figure that out myself, now that I know why it's not working :)
03:56<xelan>so you helped me already a lot. Thank you!
03:56<babilen>xelan: You want "session and startup" in the "Settings manager" apparently
03:57<babilen>xelan: The alternative here would be to add a suitable .desktop file to ~/.config/autostart which would most likely be honoured by XFCE and executed correctly
03:58<xelan>babilen, I think I will just use the session manager of xfce. Just one last thing. Would this also work in /etc/init.d ?
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03:59<babilen>"this" ?
03:59<babilen>xelan: Yeah, don't get me wrong: The recommendation is definitely to add it through the session manager
04:00<xelan>Assuming I have a number of scripts that shall run when X is up. Could I do a script like gui_autostart.sh in /etc/init.d ?
04:00<babilen>(just wanted to show you a more general way in case you run into this in the future in a different context)
04:00<babilen>xelan: No, you want to do all that through the Xsession startup machinery
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04:01<xelan>hmm okay
04:01<babilen>http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html is the dull but correct reference documentation for that
04:02<xelan>good to know in case I want to switch DE
04:03<xelan>Though I'm too much in love with xfce right now :)
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04:03<babilen>Other DEs do, however, have their own "autostart manager" (e.g. KDE, Gnome)
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04:24<An>babilen, back to you again. I copied as you suggested "$ sudo cp debian-7.5.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdb1; sync" and tried booting from USB. I got the following message "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt." flashed for a second or two and then it proceeded to the old GRUB menu for the previous install.
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04:25<babilen>An: That is not as I suggested. You want "cp debian-7.5.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" and *not* /dev/sdb1 in there
04:25<ananth123>An: i think it should be /dev/sdb and not sdb1
04:26<An>Ah OK sorry
04:26<An>Will do it again
04:26<babilen>You really write the entire image *directly* to the stick. Not one of its partitions (as you want to write the partition table too)
04:27<ananth123>and the usb drive should be unmounted, iirc
04:28<babilen>Oh, absolutely
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04:32<An>Fantastic, that worked a dream, thanks babilen and ananth123
04:32<ananth123>An: glad to hear :)
04:33<babilen>yay
04:34<babilen>I love to dismantle wrong assumptions layer by layer -- at the end we arrive at the easiest solution and it works :)
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04:39<marc_>question: debian testing, surfstick. i'm in indonesia at the moment and bought a smartfren surfstick today... problem is, debian won't find it if i plug it in. any ideas?
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04:42<devil>marc_: this one: http://www.ibnuabas.com/99/softwares/installing-smartfren-haier-ce682-modem-with-wvdial-on-debian-squeeze.html ?
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04:43<marc_>thanks, i'm gonna check it out
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05:26<linux_>anyone here?
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05:36<devil>linux_: yes
05:37<devil>linux_: do you have a debian related question?
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07:41<elisa>qual'è il canale italiano?
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07:44<melmothX>!it
07:44<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:05<kardan>hey, what is the replacement for "modprobe -l" (listing of available modules)?
08:06<kardan>I know about 'find /lib/modules|grep ...' but there is surely a more comfortable way
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08:11<wfn>say i have a debian 7.0 install dvd i got from a conference/somewhere. i insert it into cdrom, and compute md5sum and sha1sum directly on it (i.e. directly on my `/dev/sr0` block device.)
08:11<hayabusa>hello
08:11<wfn>i get a checksum and try googling for it, and find no results. is this not the proper way to compute the checksum?
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08:12<wfn>i know there's a md5sums file on the root of the cd, but it's not signed, and computing sums for every folder of that cd sounds boring. (though probably easy to do with some awk/xargs/etc)
08:12<wfn>how can i verify that this 7.0 install dvd is not bogus?
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08:13<wfn>(also, feel free to direct me to some other irc channel if this is not the place to ask.)
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08:15<wfn>the title of the dvd is "Debian 7.0.0 M-A 1", fwiw.
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08:20<gsimmons>kardan: It went away without a replacement; modprobe's man page previously stated use of find and basename as being more flexible. You can establish a shell alias for convenience.
08:21<Guest9503>hello, i downloaded that script (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hotice/lightsOn/master/lightsOn.sh) and get an error in the line 42: done< <(xvinfo | sed -n 's/^screen #\([0-9]\+\)$/\1/p') the error is: Syntax error: redirection unexpected. can you help me?
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08:29<samy>hi
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08:38<kardan>ok, thanks gsimmons
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08:53<Wren>dang lotta people in here for a sunday morning
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09:03<jwackito> /help
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10:39<hallo12>hi
10:40<hallo12>how can I use the output of a program as a variable in a batch file? like var < /foo/program
10:41<SynrGy>var=$(/foo/program)
10:42<hallo12>great
10:42<hallo12>and how ca I pass parameters to that program?
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10:42<SynrGy>seriously?
10:42<SynrGy>new to debian, i guess?
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10:42<hallo12>yes
10:43<hallo12>sry
10:43<SynrGy>arguments and switches for the program should be described in its man page
10:43<SynrGy>so you just specify them after the program name
10:44<SynrGy>"batch file" only has meaning for windows. i read that as "shell script"
10:44<hallo12>true
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10:45<hallo12>well it says var: Command not found
10:45<hallo12>oops
10:45<themill>non spaces
10:45<hallo12>it's not allowed to put spaces in there :)
10:45<hallo12>thanks a lot, SynrGy and themill.
10:45<hallo12>cu
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12:12<lord_rob>what are the versions of php in versions of debian ?
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12:12<ichdasich>lord_rob: packages.debian.org
12:13<ichdasich>you can get a full overview there
12:13<lord_rob>I'm on the site but I dunno which package to search for
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12:13<abrotman>lord_rob: packages.debian.org/php5
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12:16<lord_rob>ok thank you abrotman
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13:02<chulis>hola he instalado debian junto a win7 pero en grub no me aparece la opcion de arrancar win7 ¿como lo podria arrancar?
13:02<abrotman>!es
13:02<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:23<hakann>EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
14:23<hakann>ALLAHU EKBERRRRR! LA ÝLAHE ÝLLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH!
14:23<hakann>I did the obligatory prayers five times a day to the nation. And I promised myself that, who (beside me) taking care not to make the five daily prayers comes ahead of time, I'll put it to heaven. Who says prayer does not show attention to me I do not have a word for it.! Prophet Muhammad (s.a.v.)
14:23<hakann>hell if you did until the needle tip could not remove your head from prostration Prophet Muhammad pbuh
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14:29<wfn>oh, he comes on this channel, too
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14:51<Gerowen>I remember a small program that sat in the system tray and let you change CPU frequency. Is there one available that works in Gnome shell? I forget the name of the one I used to use, but looking for "CPU Scale" and "CPU Freq" in Synaptic doesn't reveal anything.
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15:05<sinfallas>Gerowen could be "jupiter"
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16:20<spippi>hi comunity
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16:22<leoslax>hi spippi o/
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16:56<spippi>please i have a eeepc 320gb hdd and 1 gb ram intel atom n570 dual core
16:56<spippi>what's the correct version of debian
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16:56<spippi>that i must download ?
16:56<spippi>i'm a new user of linux
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16:57<leoslax>spippi, the wireless interface it's working?
16:58<spippi>yes
16:58<abrotman>spippi: try wheezy
16:58<spippi>always i work with wifi
16:58<spippi>now i have mint with mate
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16:59<spippi>i will install LMDE
16:59<spippi>but i think it's better install direct debian
16:59<leoslax>I'm using Debian Wheezy 7.5 now
16:59<abrotman>spippi: LMDE isn't supported here, only Debian
16:59<spippi>but i 'don't know i'm more confusion
16:59<spippi>i know
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17:00<spippi>but i think that comunity know all two version
17:00<abrotman>eh?
17:00<spippi>ok it's stable? leoslax
17:00<abrotman>spippi: yes, wheezy is stable
17:01<spippi>have you a link for download all
17:01<abrotman>spippi: debian.org
17:01<spippi>64 bit version?
17:01<spippi>what's de i must use
17:01<centrx>amd64
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17:02<spippi>ok
17:02<leoslax>spippi, if you have 1gb ram installed do you don't need 64bits version
17:03<spippi>but i download 3 dvd?
17:03<abrotman>no, get the netinst
17:03<abrotman>actually
17:03<babilen>dpkg: tell spippi -about install debian
17:03<abrotman>dpkg: tell spippi about firmware images
17:03<babilen>abrotman: I'd recommend the netinstall image wirh firmware the bot just told you about
17:03<abrotman>since that little eeepc likely has firmware for the wiif
17:04<babilen>+spelling
17:04<abrotman>yes
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17:05<spippi>i'm confuse
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17:05<babilen>spippi: How so?
17:06<spippi>i want download a version and format pc
17:06<spippi>i download netinstall only?
17:06<spippi>and why not 64 bit
17:07<babilen>Yes, download the netinstall image with firmware and install Debian using that. It will download everything it needs from the internet during the initial installation.
17:07<spippi>it's better of 32 or not?
17:07<babilen>(if you are connected to the intnernet)
17:07<ixi>get 64bit unofficial netinstall with firmware image
17:07<babilen>spippi: If you CPU support 64bit I'd use that.
17:07<ixi>end of story
17:07<spippi>yes support
17:07<leoslax>if you have 3gb or more ram, yo need 64bits version
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17:08<babilen>spippi: Our bot sent you a link to the image in a private message along with a link to more information about how to install Debian
17:08<leoslax>but if you have only 1gb ram you only need 32bits version
17:08<babilen>fsvo need
17:08<spippi>firmware-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
17:08<spippi>i find in unofficial
17:08<babilen>Yes, exactly
17:09<spippi>babilen: i take in bot
17:09<babilen>You did what with our bot?
17:09<spippi>another question
17:09<spippi>i copy a link from bot
17:09<spippi>another question
17:09<spippi>what's the DE
17:09<spippi>?
17:10<ixi>desktop environment
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17:10<spippi>ops
17:10<spippi>ok
17:10<spippi>yes but
17:10<ixi>window decorations, panel, default applications
17:10<spippi>when i will install
17:10<babilen>spippi: Please try not to hit enter after every word
17:10<spippi>what's the default DE in this version of debian
17:11<ixi>gnome 3 I think
17:11<babilen>spippi: It will install Gnome by default. Which DE do you want?
17:11<spippi>mate
17:11<spippi>it's the same?
17:11<ixi>take xfce
17:11<ixi>it's the closest you'll get
17:11<babilen>spippi: Mate is not in the stable version of Debian and the version in testing is, IIRC, not ready. I'd recommend to use Mint if you want MATE.
17:12<babilen>And yes, XFCE is a reasonable choice on Debian.
17:12<babilen>dpkg: tell spippi -about install xfce
17:12<spippi>thanks comunity
17:12<babilen>Have fun
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17:13<eYeballs>Hello. yesterday i tried jessie installer and the default DE is XFCE. However i prefer Gnome. However when i try alternate DE in the installer gnome has no option to install
17:13<spippi>i can choice xfce during installation?
17:13<ixi>yep
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17:13<spippi>thanks
17:13<ixi>in menu second item iirc
17:13<babilen>spippi: You have to choose it earlier (in the boot menu, see the message our bot sent you)
17:14<eYeballs>there was kde and lxde if i'm not mistaken, but in the gnome menu, there was only a "BACK" option
17:15<babilen>dpkg: tell eYeballs -about testing installer
17:15<babilen>eYeballs: Does that hold true for the choices in the boot menu too?
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17:16<eYeballs>yep
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17:17<babilen>eYeballs: Okay, if you care then tell #debian-boot, but I'm sure that it is somewhere on their todo list (in the back) to get done for the next release.
17:17<babilen>eYeballs: I'd recommend to do it like everybody else and to use a stable installer. I would furthermore recommend not to install testing with the stable (i.e. wheezy) installer, but a minimal wheezy systen, upgrade that to testing (or jessie) and to take it from there.
17:18<eYeballs>yes. that is what i've done
17:18<babilen>So, what's the problem then?
17:18<eYeballs>was just testing, testing installer
17:19<eYeballs>and since there was the option to gnome...
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17:19<eYeballs>no problem. just chat
17:19<babilen>Ah, okay. Well, feel free to tell #debian-boot about that problem, but I would be surprised if "adjust alternative DE selection" is somewhere on their todo list already
17:20<babilen>That being said: Nobody really expects the installer to work/be bug free at this point in the release cycle.
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17:21<eYeballs>sure. just felt like at the time my download/cp to usb went wrong
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17:21<chulis>s
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17:26<kulus>Hi all
17:26<kulus>Anybody else having trouble with their software update feature?
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17:27<kulus>Mine's stalling on me and will not complete.
17:28<kulus>I'm using Gnome Version 3.4.2
17:28<kulus>I think it is Wheezy
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17:30<chulis>I cannot change brigth in muy acer one i try but its always the same¿any idea?
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17:32<alumno>JUEGOS
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17:36<kulus>Chulis: Did you mean brightness?
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17:37<awal>kulus, you think it's wheezy? :P type "lsb_release -a"
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17:44<awal>chulis, adding "acpi_backlight=vendor" to grub file solves your issue? or try with xbacklight pack
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17:46<kulus>Distributor ID: Debian
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17:46<kulus>Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.5 (wheezy)
17:46<kulus>Release: 7.5
17:46<kulus>Codename: wheezy
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17:52<kulus1969>http://paste.debian.net/97442
17:52<kulus1969>Wheezy 7.5
17:53<kulus1969>Apologies to the admin for the flood
17:53<kulus1969>didn't realize it would be a problem...
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17:54<kulus1969>Anyone else have trouble with their updater freezing
17:54<kulus1969>and if so how did you fix it?
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17:55<kulus1969>I heard online something about a 0 bit upgrade error, or something to that effect...but I do not know how to fix it.
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17:59<centrx>kulus1969, What is this "software update feature" you are referring to?
18:00<kulus1969>It's an application called "software update" that comes with Debian Wheezy 7.5
18:01<kulus1969>maybe I should try to update with Synaptic?
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18:01<kulus1969>I'll try that now and report back to people...
18:02<awal>kulus1969, try to update your system using a terminal instead of software updater and tell us if you get same errors
18:02<kulus1969>sudo apt-get update?
18:02<kulus1969>awal?
18:02<awal>login as root
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18:03<awal>type su + password then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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18:03<awal>or apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
18:03<kulus1969>Thanks awal...will get back to you.
18:04<kulus1969>what is dist-upgrade?
18:04<kulus1969>Will that leave me at Wheezy 7.5?
18:04<awal>open terminal then type man apt-get
18:05<kulus1969>Thanks will check out man...
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18:07<awal>if you use sudo you "should" type sudo su + pass for login as root...
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18:08<kulus1969>Thanks awal...will try su instead (easier to remember) then logout to regular user login
18:08<awal>^^
18:08<sney>sudo su aka "I have never read the sudo man page and don't know you can sudo -s / sudo -i"
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18:08<marco__>ciao
18:09<marco__>!list
18:09<dpkg>marco__: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
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18:12<awal>kulus1969, so? you lost? :)
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18:13<kulus1969>reading man sudo for first time :)
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18:13<kulus1969>Still confused about -s & -i so will try your method instead
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18:14<awal>do you use sudo or not?
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18:14<kulus1969>usually sudo by itself...or copy and paste sudo...
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18:14<kulus1969>from the web like on here
18:14<sney>sudo -s does the same thing as sudo su, without running a separate binary for no reason. sudo -i does the same thing as sudo su -, without running a separate binary for no reason.
18:14<sney>hooray, learning!
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18:15<kulus1969>like sney
18:16<kulus1969>what does sudo su - do differently....(ignorance showing through here...)
18:16<awal>sudo by itself or copy and paste sudo?^^^
18:17<kulus1969>depending if it is something I am comfortable doing on my own or not...
18:17<sney>su - makes a login shell, and behaves exactly as if you had logged in as root (or as another user, in the case of su - someusername)
18:17<kulus1969>or whether it is from a source that I trust...
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18:17<sney>su without the - just switches user
18:18<kulus1969>It still affect the whole system when doing updates though I would imagine...(again ignorance showing through)
18:18<sney>for most "here, run this as root" instructions, it doesn't matter whether you're using a login shell or not, so you can just type whichever one your fingers feel like doing.
18:18<sney>including stuff like running apt
18:19<awal>ok, kulus1969, I must go it! someone else will help you more...
18:19<kulus1969>Thanks for clarifying...some people have just told me sudo is a bit safer for newbies
18:19<awal>go eat
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18:19<sney>kulus1969, ignorance is fine when it accompanies a question. I'd much rather see an ignorant person asking questions than trying to teach others the ignorant way of doing things
18:19<kulus1969>Thanks awal!
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18:20<sney>some (ubuntu) people think "sudo is better for newbies" and maybe that's true for just following a guide, but I think it leaves the newbie with a poor understanding of how the system works and what users/permissions are for, which is bad in the long run
18:22<abrotman>or what root even is ...
18:22<abrotman>and how permissions work
18:22<abrotman>which you said .. I'll go back to sleep now
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18:23<kulus1969>do not want to do more damage to system, just want things to work, if sudo -i works better than su for a temporary shell then I will use that instead.
18:23<kulus1969>I 'think' I understand now.
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18:25<kulus1969>Anyways using "sudo -i apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" to do upgrades that stalled in Wheezy's Gui Software Updater
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18:27<sney>sudo -i is for making a root shell, not running a command
18:27<kulus1969>hoping adding the "dist-" in front of upgrade gets rid of some unnecessary stuff as well.
18:27<sney>though maybe it'd still work
18:27<kulus1969>I see...
18:27<sney>dist-upgrade and upgrade are functionally identical inside stable
18:27<SamB>kulus1969: I think you need a flag to make apt do that in the same go
18:27<sney>dist-upgrade is typically used for switching from one release to the next
18:28<SamB>kulus1969: --auto-remove
18:28<kulus1969>will create shell first then do the "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
18:29<kulus1969>do I add "--auto-remove after above command?
18:29<kulus1969>SamB
18:29<kulus1969>?
18:29<SamB>iirc I usually stick those right after apt-get, but I think it doesn't matter
18:29<kulus1969>Thanks everyone for their support...much learning going on...
18:30<sney>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get autoremove
18:30<kulus1969>Thanks sney
18:30<sney>and throw in a -y or two to make it do everything automatically if you want.
18:30<dev>--force-yes -y
18:30<sney>or use aptitude, etc... there are a lot of ways to do this stuff
18:30<dev>don't forget
18:30<dev>))
18:30<kulus1969>dev?
18:30<SamB>aptitude would of course do the autoremove without prompting (at least in a usual configuration)
18:31<dev>aptitude often is have strange ways to update
18:31<dev>))
18:31<dev>kilian_: devil_inside
18:31<SamB>where by "without prompting" I mean without an explicit command or flag from the user
18:31<dev>by full name
18:31<dev>last and past
18:31<dev>)
18:31<dev>sorry
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18:31<dev>first and last
18:31<dev>)
18:31-!-dev is now known as Devil_InSide
18:31<SamB>dev: yeah, aptitude's resolver went batshit what must have been a few years back ...
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18:32<kulus1969>dev doing root sudo -i...is what your saying still important?
18:32<Devil_InSide>i already use session
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18:32<Devil_InSide>-s
18:32<Devil_InSide>always
18:32<Devil_InSide>)
18:32<Devil_InSide>-already ))
18:32<SamB>so now sometimes it thinks things like "remove all your packages" or "don't actually do the thing requested in the first place" are good solutions
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18:32<SamB>though admittedly the latter sometimes really is the right solution ...
18:32<Devil_InSide>what do you mean ?
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18:33<Devil_InSide>i never sow it
18:33<Devil_InSide>once
18:33<SamB>well, "all" is an exageration
18:33<Devil_InSide>when i did install ubuntu
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18:33<SamB>anyway, it mostly only happens in testing/unstable
18:33<Devil_InSide>there's i did see it
18:33<Devil_InSide>once
18:33<Devil_InSide>)
18:33<Devil_InSide>i use testing/sid
18:33<Devil_InSide>apt-get
18:34<Devil_InSide>and if i was drunk, debian did all rightly
18:34<Devil_InSide>)0
18:34<SamB>Devil_InSide: it's aptitude that does those silly things
18:34<SamB>sometimes
18:34<Devil_InSide>~$ grep supd .bash_aliases
18:34<Devil_InSide>alias supdate="apt-get update && apt-get upgrade --force-yes -y && apt-get dist-upgrade --force-yes -y && apt-get clean "
18:34<kulus1969>trying "sudo -i" for shell and then using command "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get autoremove" with a lot of manual y answers...will report back soon!
18:35<Devil_InSide>yes
18:35<Devil_InSide>it is alias
18:35<Devil_InSide>and sudo never work around it
18:35<Devil_InSide>)
18:35<Devil_InSide>but you can use '
18:35<Devil_InSide>single qoutes
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18:36<sney>automatic apt-get clean when running testing/sid, must like living on the edge
18:36<Devil_InSide>but i don't understand - what for
18:36<Devil_InSide>sney: it is doing by hand
18:36<Devil_InSide>)0
18:37<Devil_InSide>kulus1969: -i, --login
18:37<Devil_InSide> Run the shell specified by the target user's password database entry as a login shell.
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18:37<sney>yeah but you're auto-accepting the install of packages that might have horrible bugs, and making sure you don't still have the previous version in your apt archives
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18:37<Devil_InSide>and what do you want finally ?
18:37<Devil_InSide>sney: i know it, but i really rare see a bugs in debian
18:37<Devil_InSide>)
18:38<Devil_InSide>last by kernel and nvidia, but it does'
18:38<Devil_InSide>nt
18:38<Devil_InSide>in automatic mode
18:38<Devil_InSide>it in all modes
18:39<kulus1969>I'm I wrong in trusting Wheezy Debian 7.5?
18:39<Devil_InSide>i stopes my kernel in 3.12.18-di
18:39<Devil_InSide>~$ cat /etc/debian_version
18:39<Devil_InSide>jessie/sid
18:39<Devil_InSide>i don't think that
18:39<Devil_InSide>you can always trust debian
18:40<Devil_InSide>in stable - yes.
18:40<abrotman>!enter
18:40<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:40<Devil_InSide>and my opimion - in testing - too
18:40<kulus1969>It updated!
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18:41<Devil_InSide>successfully ?
18:41<Devil_InSide>)
18:41<kulus1969>does the command logout work from sudo -i?
18:41<kulus1969>Yes!
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18:41<Devil_InSide>i think, yes
18:41<kulus1969>maybe I'll look at man logout
18:41<Devil_InSide>exit, logout, ctrl+d
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18:42<kulus1969>lots of choices...just like linux :)
18:42<Devil_InSide>what desktop do you use ?
18:42<kulus1969>will try gui software installer just to make sure it works again as well...
18:43<Devil_InSide>aaa
18:43<Devil_InSide>what gui installer ?
18:43<Devil_InSide>i understood, third prty, though
18:43<kulus1969>Gnome Version 3.4.2
18:43*Devil_InSide 's mpd is playing: Accept - Metal Heart (Live)
18:43<Devil_InSide>looks nice
18:44<Devil_InSide>but i some years ago remove all gnome and kde
18:44<Devil_InSide>)
18:44<kulus1969>INXS?
18:44<Devil_InSide>and did try a simple desktops
18:44<Devil_InSide>)
18:44<kulus1969>mp3?
18:44<Devil_InSide>flac, if you speeking about formats
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18:45<Devil_InSide>http://gas.starlink.ru/di/ris/desk5.jpg
18:45<kulus1969>ohhh,,,maybe not (Metal Heart (Live))
18:45<Devil_InSide>last worklayout
18:45<Devil_InSide>i have more hard songs )
18:46<kulus1969>music player d?
18:46<Devil_InSide>mpd
18:46<awal>kulus1969, just type 'exit' and you exit your root login...
18:46<Devil_InSide>on screen - chat, irc
18:46<Devil_InSide>and monitor resources and player
18:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 665] by debhelper
18:47<kulus1969>Thanks awal...also logout and ctrl+d I learned... :)
18:47<Devil_InSide>it is aliases
18:47<Devil_InSide>)
18:47<Devil_InSide>are you novice in linux ?
18:48<awal>kulus1969, great, soon you will become an expert in debian/gnu/linux
18:48<awal>:)
18:48<Devil_InSide>not soon
18:48<kulus1969>medium...like to install and fix but don't always know what i'm doing ... sometimes a lot of copy and paste from the internet...
18:48<Devil_InSide>but it is possible in next ten or twenty years
18:48<Devil_InSide>)
18:49<kulus1969>by then it will be much more advanced... :)
18:49<Devil_InSide>kulus1969: in russia it has name "shkolota"
18:49<Devil_InSide>)
18:49<Devil_InSide>novice level
18:49<Devil_InSide>)
18:49<abrotman>Devil_InSide: please stop hitting enter
18:49<kulus1969>DI are you Ruskie
18:49<abrotman>2~!ot
18:49<abrotman>!ot
18:49<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
18:50<Devil_InSide>so many bukaff
18:50<Devil_InSide>)
18:50<Devil_InSide>much, rightly
18:50<Devil_InSide>)
18:50<abrotman>Devil_InSide: Please stop that
18:50<awal>I wonder if the kulus1969 issue with gnome software update is related with permissions?
18:50<Devil_InSide>ban me, what do you wait ?
18:50<Devil_InSide>))
18:50-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
18:50-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@2a00:e78:1:f:204:79ff:fe67:b079] by abrotman
18:50-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
18:50<kulus1969>apologies... going to #debian-offtopic
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18:58<sney>kulus1969, sorry for any confusion, but support questions are not allowed in #debian-offtopic the same way off-topic nonsense isn't allowed here. :) keeps things organized, but it can be annoying at first
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18:59<ixi>question: when in wheezy you install mysql-server, do you actually get mysql-server or is that mariadb
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19:00<abrotman>ixi: mysql-server
19:00<ixi>thanks
19:00<nbl>Hello world! =)
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19:03<sney>kulus1969, seems like it's probably update-manager
19:04<sney>kulus1969, http://packages.debian.org/ plus your own logical thought process is a good way of figuring out what programs belong to what packages and what they do and so on
19:04<sney>I found the update-manager result by searching for "update" and deciding the most likely option in the results
19:05<dev>update-manager - it is desktop-specific thing
19:05<dev>why this thing may persist in long-runner configurations ?
19:05<dev>)
19:06<sney>dev, please don't ban evade. and kulus1969 was asking about update-manager originally because it was freezing.
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19:06<dev>and it is (i think) another one thing like network - manager, what do some strange things
19:06<dev>)
19:06<dev>kill it
19:06<dev>)
19:07<sney>dev, is this ) you spam after each line your own stupidity or is it your client?
19:07<dev>i smoke for this time
19:07<dev>)
19:07<dev>it my fingers
19:08<dev>10-fingers method of typing and ')' (smile) is typing automatically
19:08<dev>)
19:08<ixi>)
19:08<centrx>!ops
19:08<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
19:08<dev>i must do a concentration to not type this )
19:08<centrx>!ops flooding
19:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj: centrx complains about: flooding
19:08<ixi>dev they don't understand ')'
19:09<dev>stupid peaple )
19:09<dev>people
19:09<dev>sorry
19:09<dev>)
19:09<ixi>they want to kick you now )
19:09<dev>(((
19:09<dev>ohhh
19:09<RichiH>dev: please try to hit enter less
19:09<dev>:(((
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19:09<sney>(especially since you were already banned and you evaded it)
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19:10*dev listens a silence
19:10<dev>hihihihihi
19:10<ixi>!ru
19:10<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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19:10<ixi>dev ^^^^
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19:10<dev>ixi: what is ^^^^ ?
19:10<ixi>it means see above
19:10<dev>o , i understand
19:10<dev>))
19:10<sney>and if you don't have a support question and you're not helping someone with a problem, or explaining the rules, then please make noise somewhere else
19:11<dev>but some times speak on english and make training - so funny ^)
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19:15<kulus1969>/usr/bin?
19:15<sney>usually.
19:15<sney>!fhs
19:15<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier".
19:16<kulus1969>How do I start the GUI application Software Update from terminal?
19:16<sney>if I'm right that it's update-manager, you would open a terminal (usually in 'accessories'), get yourself a root shell, then type 'update-manager'
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19:16<kulus1969>will try man hier?
19:17<kulus1969>does that open the GUI?
19:17<kulus1969>sney?
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19:17<sney>man hier is about the information that dpkg just said.
19:17<sney>update-manager is a gui application so it'll launch the gui no matter where it's started from
19:18<sney>I don't have a wheezy system with a gui right now, so I can't test that, so you'll just have to try it and see. don't worry, it'll either work or it won't, but it won't break your system
19:18<somiaj>Are you wanting synamptic package manager, though Iw ould suggest learning the curses interface of aptitude.
19:18<kulus1969>will try from there and report output...failing that I will do what millions have done before me...'reboot' ;)
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19:19<sney>somiaj, there's an update-manager thingie separate from synaptic that is supposed to behave better. though it doesn't seem to exist past wheezy, if kulus1969 is experiencing issues with it, we should still try to hunt them down IMO
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19:20<somiaj>ahh, I thought update-manager was just a front end that told you when updates were available.
19:20<kulus1969>the terminal update worked no prob but the gui is still having problems
19:21<sney>somiaj, iirc that's gnome-update-notifier or so
19:21<kulus1969>just trying to help community by finding out why I was and still am having errors with gui hanging on me...np though...
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19:22<kulus1969>it may be the notifier
19:22<kulus1969>does that do the updates as well as notifying you about them somiaj?
19:22<somiaj>well here is why update-manager had been removed, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=707696
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19:23<somiaj>kulus1969: I haven't used either, I use apt/aptitude, but the package I mentioned, symamptic is just a gui package manager, you avhe to actually run it to see if any updates are available (afaik). You would still need a notifier if you wanted something to tell you when updates are available.
19:23<kulus1969>maybe I'll try the gnome-update-notifier and see if the gui shows up and their are error messages in my terminal or not...
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19:24<osvaldo>hola
19:24<kulus1969>It crashes when I use mouse on it under Applications
19:24<somiaj>!es
19:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:28<kulus1969>I'm doing something wrong...how do I open those applications...typing them into terminal by themselves is not working ie $ update-manager or gnome-update-notifier
19:28<willwork4foo>Hi all. I'm struggling with SElinux mode=enforcing on my Debian box. When I enable it, all my networking dies. Anyone know how to fix this? I've been struggling with this all day.
19:28<sney>!doesn't work
19:28<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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19:31<kulus1969>Will try reboot and try GUI again from Mouse click under Gnome Applications - CU Soon!
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19:38<kulus1969>Reboot and all is well!
19:39<sney>!congratulate kulus1969
19:39<dpkg>Yay kulus1969, you did it!
19:39<kulus1969>GUI completes and says there are no new updates!
19:39<kulus1969>Compliments to your patience with me and your knowledge.
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19:40<kulus1969>Now I can pass that on to the people I help out as well... :)
19:41<kulus1969>I will let people know about #debian and IRC as a source to solve problems as well.
19:42<kulus1969>All and all, I find this root of many distros to be the most stable, just a few glitches every now and then.
19:42<kulus1969>Thanks again and Bye Now!
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23:49<us`0gb>On my mobile, I use an application that alters the hosts file to disable known advertising sites and tracking sites. Is there a similar application for Debian, or must this be done manually (or from a script)?
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23:51<hugg>us`0gb: you can do it per browser. a great addon is Ghostery. it's available in the repos.
23:52<us`0gb>hugg: Alright, I'll try that. Thank you!
23:53<us`0gb>us0gb@ThinkPadX60-0gb-us:~$ aptitude show ghostery
23:53<us`0gb>E: Unable to locate package ghostery
23:53<us`0gb>us0gb@ThinkPadX60-0gb-us:~$ aptitude search ghostery
23:53<us`0gb>us0gb@ThinkPadX60-0gb-us:~$
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23:53<awal>us`0gb, you may want to try adblok-plus too.
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23:54<us`0gb>Okay, thanks awal!
23:54<awal>the pack is 'xul-ext-ghostery'
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23:54<awal>and 'xul-ext-adblock-plus'
23:54<us`0gb>Odd. Search should have found that.
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23:55<us`0gb>xul-ext-adblock-plus comes through, but not xul-ext-ghostery.
23:56<hugg>us`0gb: next time, go into the aptitude gui (ncurses cli) and then hit / and search. it uses regex so you can find partials.
23:56<us`0gb>hugg: It's not showing even with the full name.
23:57<hugg>us`0gb: maybe its not packaged? it's just a firefox addon, you can get it from mozilla.org or the addons tab in firefox...
23:57<awal>i'm not sure that ghostery extension is in debian repos, but it exist
23:57<us`0gb>Okay, got it. Thank you!
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