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00:03<Gerowen>How is everyone?
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01:05<ginko>1) how to restart xorg (gnome3)? (restart gdm?!)
01:05<ginko>2) will restarting xorg shut down any programs (got quite a lot of important stuff open)?
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01:06<ginko>or maybe an other way to "force" changes in xorg.conf to have immediate effect?
01:06<centrx>Restarting xorg will stop everything running on top of X
01:07<ginko>centrx, thanks, yes it is obvious using top and tree function
01:09<ginko>k will have to do it manually to save data
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01:09<ginko>thanks centrx :)
01:10<somiaj>what are you trying to change, some configs can be changed on the lfy
01:10<ginko>somiaj, xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
01:10<ginko>(problem quite funny: mouse sensitivity is relative to virtual screen size, so guess what happens if you plug in 2nd monitor :D)
01:11<somiaj>you can use xset to change teh mouse functionality
01:11<somiaj>man xset, look at the mouse settings
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01:12<somiaj>xset m threshold sensitivity or somethign like that
01:12<ginko>somiaj, think it does not cover my case
01:13<ginko>only thing i see is mouse acceleration but it got nothing to with that
01:13<ginko>somiaj, sorry overlooked what you wrote
01:14<jm_>ginko: man synclient for that
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01:15<ginko>jm somiaj "xset m 0 0" did the trick
01:15<ginko>don't need accel anyway
01:15<ginko>thanks :))
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01:17<ginko>time for wayland :D
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01:25<lolihunter>hello guys i have made anything wrong and now my autoremove wants to delete the whole gnome system
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01:25<lolihunter>i have only install a 32bit sound codec pack to get sound in a game but after that it want to delete the whole system
01:25<jm_>you can mark it as manually installed
01:26<lolihunter>and how? atm it says this
01:26<lolihunter>0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 348 zu entfernen und 1 nicht aktualisiert.
01:26<lolihunter>Nach dieser Operation werden 922 MB Plattenplatz freigegeben.
01:26<jm_>are you using aptitude or apt-get?
01:27<lolihunter>in english, 0 to update, 0 to install, 348 to delete and 922 mb get free after delete
01:27<lolihunter>it also want delete gnome
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01:27<lolihunter> gnome-control-center-data gnome-dictionary gnome-disk-utility
01:27<lolihunter> etc
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01:27<somiaj>lolihunter: how did you install this thing that messed everything up
01:27<jm_>apt-get unmarkauto ...
01:28<somiaj>lolihunter: can you give us the output of 'apt-cache policy' at
01:28<lolihunter>i have only installed a 32 bit sound codec
01:29<jm_>lolihunter: the question was "how", not "what"
01:29<lolihunter>i used
01:29<lolihunter>sudo apt-get install libavutil52:i386
01:29<somiaj>lolihunter: lets us see the output, this should have not happened only installing a single package
01:29<lolihunter>but its happened directly after it
01:29<jm_>what's the point in that? are you otherwise using amd64 architecture?
01:30<lolihunter>yes i use
01:30<somiaj>lolihunter: gain can you give us the output of 'apt-cache policy' at
01:30<lolihunter>i needet the lubasound2-pluginsI386
01:34<jm_>wwait, you're using testing?
01:34<somiaj>well that steam repo could be messing with things, now can you give us 'apt-cache policy packagename' of the package you want to install that is messing everything up
01:34<lolihunter>and yes i use testing
01:34<jm_>testing is handled in #debian-next
01:34<somiaj>you should ask question in #debian-next but since we are here, lets just look at one last thing
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01:35<lolihunter> Installiert: 6:9.11-3+b3
01:35<lolihunter> Installationskandidat: 6:9.11-3+b3
01:35<lolihunter> Versionstabelle:
01:35<lolihunter> *** 6:9.11-3+b3 0
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01:36<lolihunter>it was maybe already to much for this irc
01:37<somiaj>lolihunter: just apt-get install gnome (that will force the gnome meta package to be on manual and hopefully not remove everything)
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01:38<lolihunter>its not only gnome
01:38<lolihunter>also most of my programs
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01:38<jm_>did you configure dpkg for multi-arch?
01:38<lolihunter>he wants also delete blender, audacity etc
01:38<lolihunter>uhm that idk
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01:39<lolihunter>i only added the I386 in the list
01:39<jm_>which list?
01:39<jm_>uhh no don't do that
01:40<jm_>cat /var/lib/dpkg/arch
01:40<lolihunter>also with add i386 architecture command
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01:40<somiaj>lolihunter: give us the output of 'apt-get -f install' (of course say no so it doens't remove all your packages)
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01:40<lolihunter>thats the output
01:41<jm_>ok so that's not a problem then
01:42<jm_>btw, to provide us with english output use LOANG=C command ...
01:42<lolihunter>and here the output
01:42<jm_>LANG=C ...
01:42<somiaj>lolihunter: again until we see an error that tells us anything about the errors, we are only guessing
01:42<somiaj>when did you add that steam source to your sources.list?
01:43<lolihunter>i never added it by myself
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01:43<lolihunter>maybe steam added it self after install
01:43<lolihunter>to get updates etc
01:43<somiaj>how did you install steam and why didn't you use the package in jessie (or is it not in jessie and only sid)
01:43<somiaj>,v steam
01:43<judd>Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free:; sid/non-free:
01:43<lolihunter>i use amd64
01:43<lolihunter>of steam
01:44<somiaj>lolihunter: have you installed many packages manually from a .deb you downloaded from somewhere
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01:44<lolihunter>yes some libs
01:44<somiaj>lolihunter: that output just defaults i386, it will be a amd64 package too.
01:44<somiaj>lolihunter: that is your problem right there
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01:44<somiaj>those libs have versions which conflict with your system and break things
01:44<jm_>he would get a different message for that
01:45<lolihunter>its a long time ago where i installed msissed libs that dont exist under jessie
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01:45<lolihunter>most libs needed by games
01:45<somiaj>well that is his issue, he has some fairly core lib that apt can't resolve and figure out how to deal with
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01:46<somiaj>you need to track down which libary that is causing conflicts with dependencies and fix it
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01:46<lolihunter>it was libs that jessie dont had
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01:46<lolihunter>also no alternate libs
01:46<jm_>lolihunter: in the future don't do that, such systems are not supported here
01:47<lolihunter>that i havt know
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01:47<lolihunter>ah wait
01:47<lolihunter>i think i know why its happen now
01:48<lolihunter>i installed that sound lib for libasound2-plugins 32 bit
01:48<lolihunter>that packs was holding bck beccause libs they need
01:48<lolihunter>and i installed via .deb files already the amd64 and 32 bit libasound2
01:48<somiaj>lolihunter: you have a dependency problem making it so apt cannot resolve your dependencies so the only solution due to your setup is to remove all packages which depended on the newe version of the lib
01:49<jm_>lolihunter: you should try doing that via multi-arch and if it doesn't work, use an alternative, like a 32bit chroot or somesuch
01:49<lolihunter>maybe it would be help if i remove the libasound2 i installed via .deb files?
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01:50<somiaj>lolihunter: at this time you have to fix everytying yourself, I woudl first remove that steam source from /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/somefile (second is most likely how it got there)
01:50<lolihunter>i installed also fuse-utils via .deb files
01:50<somiaj>!tell lolihunter about not-available
01:50<jm_>try removing all 32bit packages first
01:50<somiaj>any package version on your system that is not installed from jessie is suspect, go though the list of those packages and fix them, remove holds, and keep on doing this until you can get your system to be running only stuff from jessie
01:51<lolihunter>yes but libasound2 dont exist in jessie (no candidate) and this i need to get sound in every game
01:52<lolihunter>also in most sound edit tools
01:52<jm_>it does exist
01:52<somiaj>,v libasound2
01:52<judd>Package: libasound2 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.23-2.1; wheezy: 1.0.25-4; jessie:; sid:
01:52<jm_>maybe it wasn't there when you tried though
01:53<jm_>or maybe it can't be installed via multi-arch, not sure on that
01:53<somiaj>well it has been around since squeeze, and even longer
01:54<lolihunter>but why i dind get that? that was the reason why i installed them manualy
01:54<lolihunter>via deb
01:54<jm_>well we can't tell now obviously
01:54<jm_>next time try asking on IRC first if you run into the same situation
01:55<lolihunter>i cant also not remove them because the other libs
01:55<somiaj>lolihunter: this is why we basically tell people do not mix, do not install random debs, you can eaisly break your system putting apt in a dependency loop it can't resolve by any ways except well in your case removing your system
01:55<somiaj>lolihunter: you are goign to have to manually fix this by tracing down every single error along the way and installing jessie only packages (well at least libaries)
01:55<somiaj>lolihunter: the bot sent you a command that will list all packages that are not in your sources.list version, that is a good starting point
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01:57<lolihunter>how u mean? bot?
01:58<somiaj>look in your message windows he should have sent you a tell
01:58<somiaj>!tell lolihunter about not available
01:58<somiaj>sorry now do you see it
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02:00<lolihunter>uhm yes why it says the linux header isnt from the source list?? O.O
02:00<bopper>hello all...
02:00<somiaj>most likely you have an older version of the kernel 3.12 and the current is 3.13 (those linux-images/linux-headers package stay around as testing upgrades its kernels)
02:01<lolihunter>also the ia32 libs
02:01<bopper>can anyone help me set up Transmission? I tried it with so many different tutorials and they all end up the same, and I can't find the solution yet.
02:01<lolihunter>hmm thats strange all other libs i said and installed via deb are not listet
02:01<bopper>it always give me the 403 Forbidden from remote computer
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02:02<somiaj>lolihunter: they may have been automatically upgraded somewhere along the line, but you need to track down what dependency loop is causing you a conflict so apt can fix it
02:03<lolihunter>yes but now after del some libs i have the problem i said, that they dont exist in jessie
02:03<lolihunter>Package ia32-libs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
02:03<lolihunter>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
02:03<lolihunter>is only available from another source
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02:04<jm_>ia32-libs has been replaced by multi-arch
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02:04<lolihunter>ah i always forgot that copy past in irc isnt good
02:04<somiaj>it is just flood
02:04<jm_>ia32-libs has been replaced by multi-arch
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02:05<somiaj>but yes I htink you read some guides, there use to be ia32-libs, lib32asound2 I think was one too, there were various hack 32bit packages in a 64 bit system, this has been replaced with multiarch
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02:06<lolihunter>but how i get the 32bit support libs than?
02:07<somiaj>yes libfoo:i386, all the libs are there, they just aren't pooled in this strange packages
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02:08<lolihunter>ah good to know
02:08<lolihunter>i atm also del the pack that messed up all but it seems it dont want remove them from the autoremove list
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02:09<lolihunter>any command to let them chack again?
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02:12<somiaj>lolihunter: you want to figure out which packages are 'auto' vs 'manual'?
02:12<lolihunter>exist any command to let them recheck the autoremove list?
02:12<somiaj>lolihunter: aptitude search ~i
02:12<lolihunter>no i want that they recheck what the system dont need
02:12<somiaj>lolihunter: lists all installed packages, there will be a 'i A foo' if they are autoinsatlled
02:12<somiaj>deborphan will look for libs on your system that no package depends on
02:13<jm_>you can also get the list via apt-get -s autoremove
02:13<lolihunter>no i mean, the autoremove want to del my system so now i deleted all packs i installed that messed up also the manual deb i installed
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02:13<lolihunter>now i want recheck if he wants delete the system now
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02:14<somiaj>and if you still have dependency issues, try 'apt-get -f install' and see if you helped it figure out how to fix it'self
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02:15<lolihunter>no he wants del my system also after del all manual installed libs + all that have made this problem
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02:20<lolihunter>i found it i realy found the prob
02:20<lolihunter>1 lib have already removed few packs and now he want del all
02:20<lolihunter>thats why
02:21<bopper>Yay...I got Transmission to work
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02:30<lolihunter>i reinstall all 87 del pack from the codec before (also system libs was del before the bigger one) and 5 from them was not existing in jessie too
02:30<lolihunter>so now if its installed i hope it will be fixed
02:31<lolihunter>it is fixed very much (lucky) but now i need 32 lib alternates
02:31<lolihunter>anybody knows?
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02:33<jm_>why do you need them?
02:34<lolihunter>most for games, some for software
02:34<lolihunter>like teamviewer (64bit dont work it need libs that not exist in jessie or not with the old command)
02:34<lolihunter>so i use the 32 bit
02:35<jm_>like I said before, a) use multi-arch to install 32bit libs, or b) use a 32bit chroot
02:36<lolihunter>ok and a few packs he want delete and idk why (only a few) do you maybe can tell me for what this packs are and are there system importand?
02:37<jm_>probably because it thinks they were automatically installed
02:37<lolihunter>hmm maybe its from the ia32 libs i deleted
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02:43<lolihunter>nvm i checked they are sound codecs and video codecs from the other packs i deleted already
02:43<lolihunter>now its all fixed
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02:43<lolihunter>+ i get the libasound2 etc etc now from jessy after del and reinstall the deleted packs
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02:44<lolihunter>thx to all for the help, without i would not know why it was such messed up
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02:46<lolihunter>now also the buffer underflows from alsa are fixed wooow
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02:48<somiaj>yes don't mix things, very imporant on a debian system
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02:55<daniel-s>Hi, does this .gif play properly for other people using Iceweasel on Debian?
02:57<babilen>daniel-s: Works fine with IW 27.0
02:58<babilen>(not that there's anything wrong with that)
02:58<daniel-s>I have 24.4.0
02:58<jm_>28 here
02:58<daniel-s>I have always had random issues with .gif files on Debian, using two installations, one Wheezy and the other Jessie.
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02:58<babilen>daniel-s: Have you tried it with a different user profile/user ? You could install a newer version from as well
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02:59<babilen>daniel-s: I never had problems with gifs on Debian
02:59<babilen>But that doesn't help you -- What is the actual issue? Does it play "improperly" and what does that mean?
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03:42<perlgeek>Hi all. I have a curious case where a user doesn't have any groups except the primary group when executed from cron (from /etc/cron.d/otrs with an explicit user specified)
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03:44<perlgeek>when called via cron, `id -a` only says uid=114(otrs) gid=33(otrs) groups=33(otrs), from a normal shell it says uid=114(otrs) gid=33(otrs) groups=48(www-data),999(suexec),33(otrs)
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03:44<perlgeek>how can I tell cron to make it honor all groups?
03:44<jm_>tried restarting cron?
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03:45<perlgeek>jm_: not yet
03:46*perlgeek tries
03:46<jm_>perlgeek: group changes require a restart or use of commands like newgrp/sg, however for cron I am not sure since it forks and execs a new process, so I was expecting it to work for it
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03:48<perlgeek>jm_: it never occured to me to restart cron, because afaict the group entries are older than the last reboot
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03:48<jm_>perlgeek: ahh then nevermind, then it must be something else
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03:56<perlgeek>jm_: nevertheless, a cron restart did help. Thank you. I wouldn't have thought it possible.
03:56<jm_>perlgeek: interesting if as you say no group changes occured after boot
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03:58<perlgeek>jm_: well, I can't vouch for no group changes at all (multiple admins); yet I'm pretty certain that at boot time, the user was in more groups than the primary group
03:59<jm_>perlgeek: ok
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04:27<adminewb>I see that debian has a package, metalink, that produces metalink files. Are there any downloaders that support metalink, that don't require KDE desktop?
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04:30<adminewb>oh think I found it: aria2
04:30<jm_>adminewb: aria2 in sid claims to support metalink too
04:30<jm_>ohh well :)
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05:14<andreas>hi. i need a commandline svn client. which one is recommended?
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05:15<berto>git-svn 8-)
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05:15<planetmaker>andreas, well... svn itself maybe?
05:16<planetmaker>I can't really say that I understand how that question makes sense
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05:20<andreas>planetmaker: hm.. i guess you're right ;)
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05:36<areusastarte>I'm in a bit of a jam. I tried installing Debian 7 on my MacMini2012 (following this: ) and now the thing won't boot anymore (or do anything past the white splash (no logo)). Anyone got experience with this?
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05:54<shiftplusone>Hello, I am having some trouble with debconf-set-selections. I use "tzdata tzdata/Areas select Australia" and "tzdata tzdata/Zones/Australia select Melbourne". but when I run dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata, it sets the timezone to ETC/UTC.
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05:57<SynrG>that looks strange to me ...
05:58<shiftplusone>if I use debconf-get-selections and diff the properly set timezone (done using interactive dpkg-reconfigure) and the one set using debconf-set-selections, they are absolutely identical. But after I run non-interactive tzdata reconfigure, one former stays configured properly, while the other switches to ETC/UTC. I pastebin what I am doing, if that would help.
05:58<SynrG>i mean, those are lists of areas/zones to populate the menu. somehow i thought there was one variable to set.
05:58<jm_>SynrG: according to get-selections on my system there are two
05:59<SynrG>di does it with one:
05:59<SynrG>d-i time/zone string US/Eastern
05:59<shiftplusone>not using d-i here
05:59<SynrG>but maybe that's installer specialness
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05:59<SynrG>if you just dpkg-reconfigure to reset it like normal, and use debconf-get-selections to compare, what happens?
06:00<SynrG>i assume you're using the low-level tools because you need to automate
06:00<shiftplusone>that's right
06:00<SynrG>but if you use the user-facing interface, you can reverse-engineer a solution quicker
06:00<SynrG>oh, you did say you did dpkg-reconfigure above. hm.
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06:03<jm_>man page says noninteractive uses defaults, looking at the config script it reads on /etc/timezone
06:03<jm_>from obviously
06:03<jm_>and otherwise it sets Etc and UTC
06:03<shiftplusone>just so I know for future reference.... how do I check the config script?
06:04<shiftplusone>Thanks for the help SynrG, jm_.
06:04<jm_>no worries
06:05<SynrG>and see also .templates, same directory.
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06:06<SynrG>also interesting is .postinst. all three are involved in initial package configuration.
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06:10<grge>Hi #, I'm in the dark on a fresh install. Getting flashing cursor in top-left of screen when running /etc/init.d/gdm3 start
06:10<grge>Not sure how to diagnose...
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06:11<jm_>check its logfile
06:11<jm_>and X logfile
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06:13<azkay>Hey, my user account seems to have killed itself. I was logged in doing normal things (few terminals open, firefox, skype, thunar etc) when ran out of hdd space, everything spazzed out and pretty much everything closed. Couldn't reopen anything that closed, just got "Segmentation fault"'s. So I used an open terminal window to make some more space, nothing opens still.
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06:13<azkay>I could run things under a different account, eg root, sudo firefox, but firefox under my normal account segfaults
06:13<grge>ta, should have done that before asking :) it's given me something to google.
06:13<azkay>After restarting, nothing else under my user account runs (openbox, firefox, terminal etc), so I have to use a different account. Any idea how to fix this?
06:15<jm_>azkay: try to see if they report any errors, typically this goes in to ~/.xsession-errors, or simply start those tools from a terminal
06:16<jm_>grge: ~/.cache/gdm for gdm logs I think and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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06:17<grge>jm_: ty. It's "no screens found". I'll google and come back if I get stuck.
06:18<lzzluca>Hi all! There is someone able to set up a "move to trash" instead of "remove" for Midnight Commander? Not sure I should ask that here...
06:18<jm_>grge: put your xorg on pastebin (/msg dpkg paste)
06:18<jm_>xorg log
06:18<azkay>Well that explains where all my space went. Apparently my .xsession-errors file is 50gb
06:23<lzzluca>(PS avoiding aliases for rm... I would like something for mc only...)
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06:24<iste>I can't find the option to load non-free modules in expert or regular non-graphical xfce install on wheezy i386 installer
06:24<iste>I need them for network
06:24<iste>also it's netinst
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06:25<jm_>iste: which non-free modules?
06:25<iste>broadcom eth0
06:25<iste>bx2 or something the module is called
06:25<jm_>lzzluca: check if there's a preload lib that can do soemthing like that
06:26<jm_>iste: do you have its PCI ID?
06:26<iste>hold on
06:26<iste>I can't find the option to load them
06:26<iste>in the installer menu
06:26<dpkg>bnx2 is a Linux kernel driver supporting Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation time, ask me about <installer firmware>. See also <bnx2x>.
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06:26<jm_>so ask dpkg about installer firmware
06:27<iste>!installer firmware
06:27<dpkg>Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see . See also <firmware images>.
06:27<jm_>grge: is this a laptop with optimus graphics?
06:27<jm_>judd pciid 10de:1290
06:27<judd>[10de:1290] is 'GK208M [GeForce GT 730M]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
06:27<jm_>yup must be
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06:28<lzzluca>jm_ thanks. I have found libtrash on Google but I cannot find it on the repos. There is trash-cli on repos but doesn't look like something to preload, just a command to use instead of rm.
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06:29<iste>trying this
06:29<jm_>lzzluca: you could put it in /usr/local/lib
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06:30<lzzluca>jm_ what do you mean? What I want to achive, putting it on /usr/local/lib? (Sorry for my ignorance... I am getting lost)
06:30<jm_>lzzluca: libtrash thing
06:31<lzzluca>jm_ ok got it! Sounds good, I am going to look for more info about it on Google. Thanks again
06:32<azkay>Got rid of the xsession error file, logged in and tried to run a few things, nothing happening and terminal isn't opening either. I've tried from my root session to su azkay then DISPLAY=:0.0 firefox, but tells me 0.0 isn't a display
06:32<azkay>Probably doing something stupid and being tired
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06:32<jm_>try DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 instead
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06:35<azkay>Error: cannot open display: localhost:0.0, no dice
06:35<jm_>then do it all as user and check xsession-errors after it fails
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06:37<JamesF>hello to everyone
06:37<JamesF>is anyone debian developer here ?
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06:39<azkay>My bad, was trying to open up terminator or x-terminal-emulator rather than xterm. So I opened up xterm, tried to firefox, terminator, thunar they all just give "Segmentation fault" with no other info
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06:40<azkay>other than a few gtk theme errors that I've had since forever
06:40<jm_>segmentation fault means a crash
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06:42<azkay>Here we go, checked /var/log/messages:
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06:42<azkay>libc, libgio,
06:43<jm_>are you using debian at all?
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06:44<azkay>Crunchbang is just wheezy with openbox, theme and a few other things
06:44<babilen>dpkg: crunchbang
06:44<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. #crunchbang on See <based on debian>.
06:45<babilen>azkay: A very important difference is that crunchbang is not support by us, but in #crunchbang on Freenode
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06:47<azkay>Alright, thanks.
06:47<jm_>you could start by checking the libs are ok, in debian one would use debsums, no idea about crunchbang
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06:57<azkay>Fixed it, ~/.local/share/mime/mime.cache corrupted itself when I ran out of space (That's my guess, anyway). Getting rid of it fixed it. Thanks chaps'
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06:59<jm_>might make sense to report a bug about this so the tools don't crash if the file is corrupted and instead report that
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07:00<azkay>Sounds like a plan. I'm off, night guys'
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07:06<shiftplusone>If I have few slow computers, is there a way to run apt-get update on one of them and copy whatever has changed onto the other computers? If so, what files would need to be copied?
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07:08<Xeroa>Well, not that i inmediately know of, but i do make extensive use of a cache proxy for your Apt repo
07:08<jm_>shiftplusone: look at apt cacher tools (or even a regular http proxy)
07:09<Xeroa>What you can do on the other hand is to make one computer a apt-cache proxy server, and let the other computers fetch their updates from taht server
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07:09<Xeroa>I believe a general squid installation can work as well, but requires additional configuration (havent tried that)
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07:12<shiftplusone>The issue isn't the network connection, but how long the actual processing takes. For example, the "Reading package lists..." step. It's not a major issue, I am just testing a script which runs the apt-get update a few times, so it adds up. I think I might rsync from a an updated computer to a clean bootstrap and see what changes.
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07:12<Xeroa>honestly i would not recommend that, since by rsyincing you might risk overwriting host-specific config files
07:13<jm_>for that you could simply rsync /var/lib/apt/lists files
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07:13<jm_>but do you really run this every 5 minutes so it would matter?
07:14<Xeroa>The problem i see with that approach is , that it only works if the configured software completely matches the host computer
07:14<Xeroa>the slightest difference in packages may break the system in worst case
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07:14<Xeroa>FRankly you're better off if you run a cron job every 6 hours at max
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07:15<Xeroa>it's not that debian releases updates every 5 minutes, as jm_ stated
07:15<jm_>those are just release and packages files, not package states so it shouldn't matter much if list of installed packages differs
07:16<Xeroa>i stand corrected
07:16<shiftplusone>ah, that's perfect then
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07:18<Xeroa>Another topic: I can't seem to contact debian Mediawiki maintenance team. anybody know something about the maintainers?
07:18<Xeroa>tried the e-mail, postings, but to no avial
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07:32<shiftplusone>k, I've modified the script so that apt-get update doesn't run needlessly =). Now to figure out how to set locales without user interaction and I am set.
07:33<jm_>that's settable via debconf too isn't it?
07:33<shiftplusone>yeah, but it's a little trickier. I am looking at the config script to figure things out.
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07:35<Xeroa>Good luck ;)
07:36<shiftplusone>Thanks (I'll probably come crawling back soon enough though, if I can't figure it out).
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07:43<shiftplusone>aha, it reads /etc/locale.gen in noninteractive mode. =)
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07:50<Xeroa>sounds like a mission succes
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08:19<PaulCote>Say me url forum debian
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08:20<OdyX>!tell PaulCote about forums
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10:11<Pimentinha>How can I upgrade my Debian 7.4.0 to 7.5.0? sources.list is here:
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10:12<tuv>whenever i try to start virtualbox, it feezes, and the log at .config/VirtualBox/VBoxSVC.log says: Failed to open "/dev/vboxdrvu", errno=13, rc=VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_ACCESSIBLE -- any guesses of what's wrong?
10:12<tuv>crw------- 1 root root 10, 58 May 6 17:09 /dev/vboxdrvu
10:13<tuv>my user is in the vboxusers group, and changing group and permissions of /dev/vboxdrvu doesn't change anything
10:13<tuv>the guest freezes immediately after pressing 'start', so it can't be a guest issue
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10:16<adlpaf>Pimentinha, you just have to update the lists (apt-get update) and upgrade the system (apt-get dist-upgrade|safe-upgrade)
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10:20<tuv>*whenever i try to start a a virtualbox guest ...
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10:26<roughnecks>tuv: did you add your user to the vboxusers group recently, without loggin off and loggin back in?
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10:26<roughnecks>tuv: did you check ?
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10:30<Pimentinha>How can I upgrade my Debian 7.4.0 to 7.5.0? sources.list is here:
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10:31<leoslax>Pimentinha, sure!
10:31<leoslax>sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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10:31<leoslax>good luck!
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10:33<planetmaker>Pimentinha, a simple apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will do. You'll already have that if you always had it install the updates
10:33<planetmaker>check /etc/debian_version
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11:01<leoslax>hi asiahotel
11:02<tuv>roughnecks: i loggoud out/in, rebooted, restarted virtualbox servers (which unloads/reloads vbox kernel modules), unloaded kvm modules -- nothing worked. sometimes, unloading kvm modules immediately after a reboot works (vbox guest starts successfuly), but it doesn't work consistently
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11:04<tuv>*restarted virtualbox services
11:04<TobiX>tuv: Maybe blacklist the kvm modules? Although that shouldn't be necessary nowadays...
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11:30<Xeroa>@Tuv... perhaps try to reinstall the virtualbox DMKS package, so do a sudo apt-get remove --purge virtualbox-dkms, and then reinstall it
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12:12<arand>Something in the updates during the last few weeks seems to have messed up usb access through our JTAG debuggers, such that minicom/gtkterm produces no output at all, and that running our openocd debug start script produces "Error: JTAG scan chain interrogation failed: all ones"
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12:14<arand>This is happening on both Debian wheezy & sid, and on Ubuntu 12.04 seemingly simultaneously... Could there be something with kernel updates that mucked about with the needed USB access there? And does anyone have any idea what it might be? Or have suggestions where to start debugging further?
12:15<arand>dmesg output for the USB device is equivalent to what it was before when it was working...
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12:33<ray>looking for a webcam that works on usb and xubuntu
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12:34<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on for support. See also <based on debian>.
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12:52<jonadab>From the command line, is there a straightforward way to reinstall all the currently-installed packages that match a certain pattern?
12:53<abrotman>such as?
12:53<Adept->what is it you want to do jonadab ?
12:53<jonadab>I've tried piping dpkg --get-selections through grep, using Perl to transform it to just a flat list of package names, and backticking that into apt-get, but it chokes on some package names.
12:54<petn-randall>jonadab: It'll probably not do what you want, since it won't make deleted config files reappear, or ask you any debconf questions.
12:54<petn-randall>jonadab: So the real question is "what are you trying to achieve?"
12:55<jonadab>Adept-: while trying to solve an unrelated problem, I compiled an old gtk2 from source and, not realizing it would conflict with the stock version, foolishly did configure --prefix=/usr
12:55<jonadab>So now nothing that requires gtk2 will run, including Synaptic.
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12:56<jonadab>If worst comes to worst, I can get a correct-version gtk2 tarball and compile it from source in the same manner, should work...
12:56<jonadab>I was just hoping there was an easier way.
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12:57<jonadab>I mean, theoretically, apt can install what I need... only it thinks it's already installed.
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12:58<dondelelcaro>jonadab: yes; aptitude reinstall '~ifoo'; or similar
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12:59<jonadab>Ah, I didn't know that aptitude took wildcards. That might do the trick.
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13:00<dondelelcaro>jonadab: it's not really wildcards; it's a set of search terms
13:00<dondelelcaro>jonadab: the aptitude manual has details on it
13:01<dpkg>Debian 7.5 was released on April 26th, 2014. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Support for additional Intel Ethernet devices (I210, I211, I217, I218, I354) was introduced. Further details are at and . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>.
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13:05<jonadab>Hmm... the aptitude man page doesn't actually say this... I am guessing aptitude reinstall will only operate on packages that are already installed, even when given a pattern that also matches some that are not installed?
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13:06<ncl>I've set up a user for someone else via ssh, with an ssh key (password login disabled), can I set up something to have them create a password on their first login?
13:06<dondelelcaro>jonadab: not sure; I wouldn't count on it.
13:06<dondelelcaro>jonadab: that's why I gave '~i'.
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13:06<ncl>passwd -e doesn't seem to work over ssh, and either way it asks for their previous password, I'd like this to just automatically ask them for a new one
13:06<somiaj>jonadab: include a ~i, (:
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13:07<somiaj>jonadab: -- though I think this is a bit out of date, google just returns this instead of the newer manual
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13:10<uso>that's the current I think (adjust the chapter as needed)
13:11<somiaj>uso: yea that is the link I rember being more current, there were a few more search options that were not included in the link I found. My googlefoo is week as I always get that old link
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13:11<uso>somiaj: wasn't google, that's one of the essential links I have bookmarked :)
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13:13<uso>(means my googlefoo isn't any better, even more as I hardly use it)
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13:15<jonadab>Ok, I think I've got it now.
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14:47<mrfree>hi all
14:48<mrfree>is there a way to auto-feed sbuild? I mean using the packages previously built by sbuild to satisfy deps for the current building session
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15:07<anony>hi all! :)
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15:09<schleppy>i have a .install file with a line like "foo/bar/baz/* /opt/application/foo/". Does that do what I want it to do? Take all of the files from foo/bar/baz and place them in /opt/application/foo/?
15:09<anony>ive just returned to linux after a couple of years without it. Im using Debian 7.5 and i cant locate xorg.conf file :o im used to it being in /etc/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf when i do sudo find / -name "xorg.*" i get some weird lib files with the name xorg in them but no conf. Where is this file? or has it changed its name? google cant tell me :(
15:09<schleppy>nm, I figured out my problem.
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15:12<jonadab>anony: Have you tried looking at the list of installed files for the package?
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15:13<anony>jonadab, no not yet. i want to find out if debian current has my radeon drivers installed by default or not. im following this guide
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15:14<anony>jonadab, how can i find information about the files installed by "xorg" package?
15:14<jonadab>anony: dpkg --listfiles xserver-xorg
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15:15<jonadab>But I don't see anyting in /etc there, so maybe it's another package.
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15:15<gsimmons>dpkg: empty xorg.conf
15:15<dpkg>Starting from Debian 5.0 "Lenny", /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg manual config>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>.
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15:17<anony>that makes it kinda weird to see what driver im using for xorg :D if there aint no conf
15:17<jonadab>As far as Radeon drivers, I have no idea. At work we always just have onboard video, and at home I generally go with Matrox.
15:17<anony>ill just follow this guide and see if it makes a difference :D
15:17<gsimmons>anony: You can examine the X log for this information.
15:17<gsimmons>dpkg: tell anony -about which video driver
15:19<Tarjaizaid>anyone have issue with sid and dolphin for mount usb key ?
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15:22<wutGDS>hi guys : )
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15:23<wutGDS>can someone help me with something
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15:24<averythomas>I have multiple debian 7 servers and I want to monitor them all from a nice webpanel, anyone have any ideas?
15:24<gsimmons>wutGDS: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
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15:25<wutGDS>i cant install software with apt-get command
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15:26<wutGDS>that pastebin explains something but i dont understand...
15:27<wutGDS>so i have installed openVAs
15:27<wutGDS>and i tryed to install nagios3
15:27<wutGDS>nagios is a system monitoring software..
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15:30<blast007>wutGDS: which version of Debian are you running?
15:30<wutGDS>i dont know how do i find out ?
15:31<wutGDS>am new to linux in general ..
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15:33<derpe>Hi, all. I'm trying to change something about my desktop environment, but I don't know where to start.
15:34<derpe>When I open a program (let's say, Iceweasel), it displays something like "Starting Iceweasel" in the taskbar until the main window shows up. Does this for a lot of other programs, too. Is it possible to disable that behavior so nothing shows up in the taskbar except the program itself?
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15:37<blast007>!tell wutGDS about debian suite
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15:37<blast007>wutGDS: you should see a message from dpkg that will tell you how to find out your version
15:38<awal>derpe, which DM?
15:39<wutGDS>blast007 this is it : Kali Linux 1.0.6
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15:39<derpe>awal: GNOME, the 2 branch, I think.
15:39<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
15:40<blast007>wutGDS: see the end of that factoid for where to get support for your distribution.
15:40<awal>derpe, you mean gnome classic & gnome fallback?
15:41<derpe>awal: Mmhmm.
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15:47<awal>derpe, in Kde you can prevent that editing the 'taskbar/window list' preferences. Maybe you can do the same in Gnome...
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15:48<derpe>awal: In typical GNOME fashion, it knows better than I do and therefore offers virtually no options in any user-accessible panel I can find. It might be buried in a config file somewhere, but that's my issue, not knowing where to find said configs.
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15:49<jonadab>derpe: I think most of that is handled through dconf (used to be gconf) these days.
15:49<jonadab>But I don't happen to know whether the thing you're asking about is configurable.
15:50<derpe>Starting to think the fastest way to figure this out will be to search the source code for the "Starting" string and seeing what's around it. And that's terrible.
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15:51<jonadab>derpe: Yeah, I am less enamored of Gnome with every passing version.
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15:51<jonadab>At this point the only part of Gnome that I am still using is gnome-panel. Well, and Gimp if that counts.
15:51<awal>derpe, this is the most extensive wiki about Gnome I found in the web You may want to check it
15:52<derpe>I wouldn't be using it at all normally, it's just that I'm editing a live CD that already has it baked in. Way easier to just fix this one problem.
15:52<jonadab>Actually, come to think of it, the panel that I am using might actually be from MATE now.
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15:52<JamesF> i am invisible ?
15:53*jonadab quaffs a potion of see invisible.
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15:57<awal>derpe, your issue is maybe not related with your panel, taskbar...configurations. I experiment the same issue under Kde since 4.10 version but what you described only affects kde system settings, dolphin and Konsole
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15:59<derpe>There is a file called "nothing.cP" in the GNOME Panel source code. It contains no description and is a very long file. Um.
15:59<awal>I tried the last opensuse release in VBox and the "issue" is present too
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16:00<derpe>All I know is that I want that to stop happening. There has to be a way to do that somewhere. I just need to figure out where these are actually originating from.
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16:03<awal>But are you using gnome panel or mate panel?
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16:03<derpe>GNOME panel.
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16:06<awal>bcuz ,as I know, there is no mate packs in debian, right?
16:07*JamesF searching devian developers....
16:07<derpe>Not that I know of.
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16:07<blast007>JamesF: do you have a Debian support question?
16:09<awal>derpe, pressing Alt + right clic you can't edit gnome panels in classic/fallback modes?
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16:09<blast007>JamesF: please keep it in channel please.
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16:10<JamesF>so, do you have any info ? thanks in advance
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16:12<derpe>awal, it's not that I can't edit them, it just doesn't give me any options about this.
16:13<awal>derpe, So I have no more ideas, sorry
16:13<blast007>JamesF: there's a "Developers' Corner" link at the to of the Debian website
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16:14<awal>derpe, you can ask in #debian-gnome too
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16:15<anony>damn <3 debian has been making some cool progress in later years
16:15<derpe>Good idea, thanks.
16:17<JamesF>bye bye to everyone :0
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16:17<JamesF>* :)
16:17<anony>do u guys consider it good practice to install adobe flash plugin to iceweasel? im thinkin bout flash as a security risk. adobe seems to have issues now and then :)
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16:18<centrx>Flash is a big security risk
16:18<anony>is there any alternatives nowadays in linux?
16:18<anony>im thinkin of most youtube videos
16:18<Xeroa>There certainly is anony
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16:19<Xeroa>Look for gnash
16:19<anony>i try to play youtube videos through VLC on network stream but it wont load.
16:19<jonadab>awal: MATE is packaged in wheezy, but if MATE makes any change that would impact what derpe wants to do, I am not aware of it.
16:19<babilen>anony: use html5
16:19<Xeroa>Well if you want that , then you should look for youtube extensions for vlc
16:20<Xeroa>or use a html5 browser
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16:21<derpe>Unfortunately, YouTube doesn't want you to view some videos without Flash, because they're too lazy to port their ad engine to HTML5. I believe this can be bypassed, given that I can use a YouTube downloader on those videos.
16:21<anony>oh youtube extensions even :) on windoze same VLC plays that.
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16:22<anony>ah yes derpe sure. kinda lots of hassle for that though :) if u download a big video and its not cool. lol
16:22<Xeroa>Well another fun little software i can mae of, although it's more for ubuntu, is called minitube.
16:22<Xeroa>you cna get that from sourceforge
16:22<somiaj>or just use the script youtube-dl
16:22<Xeroa>Way too many alternatives
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16:23<Xeroa>Too bad the XBMC plugin wont work anymore (at least to me and i don't have time to look into it)
16:23<anony>yeah its like customizing central all over it :D lol
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16:24<anony>still debian is pretty awesome
16:25<awal>jonadab, ok :)
16:25<Xeroa>it certainly is
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16:25<Xeroa>anyone experiece with ampache on debian ?
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16:26<anony>LOL html5 720p youtube lags my socks off
16:26<anony>in fullscreen that is
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16:50<jonadab>Xeroa: I was about to say "plenty", but then I noticed the m in there...
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16:53<Xeroa>well, i found a partial solution, found the package in the backports repo
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17:04<anony>guys, i print like once in 10 years. in debian do i need the CUPS server running to print locally?
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17:06<Xeroa>yes, i'm afraid so, unless someone else proves me wrong. Cups is at least somethign i knw and is easy to set up
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17:06<Xeroa>although you don't need to worry too much about it since, if you're using the desktop, gnome should handle it
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17:08*uso disagrees about the easy to set up ;)
17:09<uso>well, it's fast to set up, but hard to make it exactly doing what you want, especially network wide
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17:10<uso>not to talk about that it's plain annoying, permanently rewriting config files ...
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17:12<Xeroa>Well what did you expect from a apple elftover?
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17:13<Xeroa>anyways, i believe we still lack certain rock solid systems so that general public would come to debian. One is the still too large dependency of terminal knowledge
17:14<Xeroa>for me the terminal is fun, for my mother who struggles to understand why the two mouse buttons ahve different functions in different situations..
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17:20<jonadab>There used to be an older printing system, before CUPS came along, that probably still works, for some limited value of "works"...
17:21<jonadab>But it probably doesn't have drivers for the majority of modern printers.
17:21<anony>guys by the way
17:21<anony>debian has no "automatic" updates out of the box right?
17:21<jonadab>anony: Depends how you define "automatic".
17:22<anony>in the background without asking me :)
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17:22<centrx>Debian has a big box
17:22<jonadab>anony: Not by default. It's possible to set it up that way, though.
17:22<anony>yeap. i wanna keep it manual though
17:22<centrx>I think there are multiple packages for automatic updates in the Debian box
17:23<anony>i just go into that package manager gui thingy :D (wich i have in another language, dunno real eng name) lol
17:23<anony>scan sum
17:23<jonadab>Some of the desktop environments include an automatic update widget, usually for the notification area, but they /ask/ you, at least by default.
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17:23<jonadab>If you *want* fully automatic, just put apt-get on a cron job and Bob is your uncle.
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17:24<jonadab>Although, some of the config files in /etc might block for user input if you've modified their settings.
17:25<jonadab>Including crontab, even.
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17:46<anony>guys, the GUFW gui, is that a gui to the command ufw? how is that different from iptables?
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17:52<uso>anony: it's just a front end for users who don't want to dig into the basics of iptables
17:52<uso>"The Uncomplicated FireWall is a front-end for iptables ..."
17:52<anony>oh yeah sorry thats right
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18:08<grummund>Hi, i have a legacy box with lenny installed. Don't know why but libc6 has gone a.w.o.l. and i could do with some help getting it back. ;-/
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18:10<grummund>looks like i can run commands prefixed with LD_PRELOAD=/lib/
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18:13<anony>weird, gufw still has a bug with gnome activities list. it wont appear. its an official bug they say its fixed but its clearly not o.o
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18:22<anony>gnight, thanks for the help and infos tonight guys! o/
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18:24<grummund>how can i recreate libc symlink ?
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18:25<uso>grummund: maybe with the same preload you did for ls
18:26<grummund>needs root priviledge and the preload seems not to work for su or sudo
18:26<uso>or use busybox when installed or a rescue system
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18:28<uso>grummund: try export LD_PRELOAD, but I'm not sure, may be a security feature of su not to honor LD_PRELOAD
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18:30<grummund>that's one small step forward (no longer need LD_PRELOAD for each command) but still neither su or sudo work :(
18:31<uso>grummund: looks like you need to boot a rescue system
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18:33<grummund>should be able to get in at the boot prompt, right?
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18:33<grummund>init=/bin/sh ?
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18:57<areyouloco>hello. where should I go if want to translate the qjackctl & few other programs to polish? Or where can I send translated .po files? thx
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19:02<grummund>is there a statically linked shell installed with debian?
19:02<dondelelcaro>grummund: not by default, but it's trivial to install one
19:02<uso>areyouloco: upstream is probably the best place for that, look at the package description, mostly there's an URL which addresses the upstream authors of the software, look there how to contact them
19:03<uso>grummund: boot the system from a rescue CD or USB stick
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19:03<grummund>uso: tried that, CD + floppy both failed :( USB not bootable :(
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19:04<areyouloco>thx uso. then i will just contact them
19:04<grummund>statically linked shell may be installed but i can't remember what it's called
19:04<dondelelcaro>grummund: do you have busybox?
19:04<uso>grummund: out of luck, connect the disk to another computer maybe
19:04<dondelelcaro>grummund: can you boot off of anything?
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19:05<grummund>dondelelcaro: seems not. the HD works though :)
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19:05<uso>dondelelcaro: he screwed up libc link, so probably nothing but statically linked binaries will work anymore
19:05<dondelelcaro>grummund: so the computer is off currently? do you have an initrd?
19:05<grummund>what name would the statically linked shell on debian go by?
19:06<dondelelcaro>grummund: it'll be /bin/busybox or foo-static
19:06<grummund>dondelelcaro: i can boot it and enter boot commands via grub
19:06<grummund>ok will try init=/bin/busybox
19:06<dondelelcaro>you may also have mksh-static or something else
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19:07<dondelelcaro>grummund: and if you boot via grub, what happens? does the init panic? or what?
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19:08<dondelelcaro>grummund: if you have an initrd, you can probably also issue break=init
19:08<grummund>/bin/busybox: error while loading shared libraries ...
19:08<dondelelcaro>grummund: and then use the initrd to install things
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19:09<grummund>dondelelcaro: it kernel panics right after Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done.
19:09<dondelelcaro>grummund: yes, that's because it can't load init.
19:10<dondelelcaro>grummund: if you specify break=init or break=bottom, it'll kick you into the initramfs shell
19:10<user01>will libc6 >= 2.15 ever be part of debian wheezy, or is it highly unlikely that the version will be upgraded?
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19:10<dondelelcaro>(as a kernel option)
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19:10<centrx>user01, Highly unlikely/No way
19:10<dondelelcaro>user01: never.
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19:11<user01>ok i have a few google apps that wont run in current versions
19:11<dondelelcaro>user01: wheezy will have the same version that it does currently. If you need a newer version, either recompile the thing you need the newer version for, or use a chroot.
19:11<grummund>dondelelcaro: ok i have (initramfs) prompt.
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19:11<centrx>user01, Google doesn't have many apps and some of them are already packaged for Debian
19:12<user01>centrx, music manager for instance
19:12<centrx>user01, Looks like you can do the same thing with a chrome extension?
19:13<G-Farkas>Hello. I'm at home trying to connect over ssh to my work computer. It is connected to the ROUTER 1, and ROUTER1 is connected to ROUTER2. ROUTER2 all PC and router have static IPs. How can I ssh to this PC ?
19:13<user01>centrx, i can upload?
19:13<centrx>user01, Apparently. mentions the Chrome extension
19:13<mozzie>sorry for my english, not my native language.
19:13<mozzie>I have a problem, I segfault wget ...
19:13<somiaj>G-Farkas: does the machine have an ip address that can be accessed from the outside world, or does it have an internal IP address?
19:14<user01>centrx, oh ok cool ill try it, thakns
19:14<mozzie>how can i make a coredump to analyse later?
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19:14<grummund>(initramfs) ls -l /lib
19:14<grummund>dondelelcaro: ^ is there
19:15<centrx>mozzie, Something with ulimit -c
19:15<uso>grummund: nice ... and I have learned that initramfs has a shell :)
19:15<G-Farkas>somiaj, thanks for reply. The work PC has an static local IP (asigned for ROUTER1). ROUTER1 has an static local IP asigned for ROUTER2, and ROUTER2 has a static internet IP.
19:15<grummund>presumably from here i mount the root partition into /mnt and fix the libc symlink there?
19:15<mozzie>thx centrx
19:16<somiaj>G-Farkas: you will have to configure the routers to port forward the correct port. You can use any port you want if you don't want to use the default 22
19:16<G-Farkas>mmm somiaj , sorry, I not speak english very well. I think I tried to say "asigned by"
19:16<somiaj>G-Farkas: but Router 2 (with the outside internet IP) could forward port 2222 to Router 1, then Router 1 would forward port 2222 to the machine you want on port 22
19:16<G-Farkas>somiaj, I have not acces to the ROUTER2. I have no problem with ROUTER1 because is in my lab.
19:16<somiaj>G-Farkas: thus you ssh to the Router 2 ip on port 2222 and the ports are forwared to the correct machine.
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19:17<somiaj>G-Farkas: then you will most likley hae to get ahold of the person who has access to Router 2 (unless you can get an outside internet accessable ip on router 1, you will need router 2 to forward the correct port(s) to router 1
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19:18<G-Farkas>somiaj, I understand, so I had to ask him/her to forware port N to ROUTER 1. Right?
19:18<towski_>when I type last, I only see one entry
19:18<towski_>usually there are rows and rows of entries
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19:19<somiaj>G-Farkas: correct
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19:20<G-Farkas>somiaj, Is there another way of accesing Debian that doent need por fordward? It is my second day at this institute, and I heard that there is not one person dedicated to networking.
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19:22<grummund>dondelelcaro: you are a life saver, thank you! :-)
19:22<somiaj>G-Farkas: not that I can think of, if there is no way to access the machine from an outside IP things need to be forwared.
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19:23<G-Farkas>somiaj, Thank you very much. Another question. I can connect via ssh from outside my home to my home. I simply use ssh myuser@theip ... But I don't state in any moment in which PC is the user registred. How it works?
19:23<somiaj>G-Farkas: I don't know if this would be possible or the details. But since the machine can get to the outside network, it can establish a connenction with something on the outside, and then use that establish connenction for the outside to get back to that machine.
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19:24<G-Farkas>somiaj, I'll try to elavorate your idea
19:24<somiaj>G-Farkas: I don't follow what you mean by 'I don't state in any moment in which the PC is the user registered'
19:25<mozzie>(sorry bad screen)
19:25<somiaj>G-Farkas: again I would suggest trying to get a port forwared to the machine so you can access it from teh outside.
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19:27<user01>centrx, yeah you cant upload music from what i see with it
19:27<centrx>The Play Store description says "* Easily upload new songs with drag & drop"
19:28<G-Farkas>somiaj, I mean. I have 3 PCs, in ONLY one of the I have the user "USER1". This PC (PC1) has a local IP adress at home (in the same way that PC2 and PC3). When I connect to home (USER1) thorugh ssh from outside, I only do something like: ssh USER1@HOMEIP, but never specify the local IP of PC1
19:28<alumno>me gustaria saber si
19:28<user01>centrx, it says i have to download the software when i click on it
19:28<user01>centrx, the same software that doesnt work with libc < 2.15
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19:28<alumno>que progrma me recominedan para bajar musicas y videos
19:29<somiaj>G-Farkas: your router is configured to forward port 22 to the correct machine.
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19:29<somiaj>G-Farkas: some routers have a dmz mode which forwards all ports to a set pc too, either way something is set on your router to forward it to the correct machine
19:30<user01>centrx, yeah that version i think is from 2012
19:31<G-Farkas>somiaj, Yes, I just checked this. :)
19:32<user01>centrx, i asked google play support if they could just compile a version for libc 2.13 and they said that was a great idea in 2013 ;)
19:32<G-Farkas>somiaj, Then I'll try to ask for a port to the "administrator" of ROUTER2. But, I another guy of my lab want to do the same. He need another port from ROUTER2 ?
19:34<somiaj>G-Farkas: That would be the easiest. But if he could ssh to your machine he could then use your machine to ssh to his, but he would need some access to your machine.
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19:35<somiaj>G-Farkas: or visa versa, with one port you can get onto your internal network, but if you have multiple machines to access in the internal network, you would then have to either have more ports, or use one of the internal machines to access the others
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19:36<G-Farkas>somiaj, Now I get I very clear. Thank you.
19:36<somiaj>G-Farkas: you could also ask the admin for a port range, say 2020-2030, and then have your router forward each one to the correct machine (as in port forwarding you can speficy a whole range instead of just one ip)
19:36<somiaj>and then it is up to your router to forward each port in that range to the correct place.
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19:37<G-Farkas>somiaj, Now the hard part of the work: to find the admin
19:38<somiaj>G-Farkas: there may be more sophoiscated ways to deal with forwarding traffic to the correct machine, but I usually try to go with a simple method. (:
19:38<somiaj>G-Farkas: you would also need a router sophosicated enough to read the additional packet info to help in it's decisions.
19:38<G-Farkas>somiaj, Once the port forwarding is done: I just do ssh myuser@ROUTER2_IP -p 2020 (for example) ?
19:39<somiaj>G-Farkas: correct
19:39<G-Farkas>somiaj, I can't wait tomorrow :-D
19:40<mozzie>excuse me (bis), I've found a segfault in wget (on debian), the coredump incrimine libgnutls
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19:41<mozzie>how to make an issue to devs?
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19:41<somiaj>mozzie: care to share the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy wget' at
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19:45<somiaj>mozzie: I'm not seeing any segfault bugs related to wget, I was just courius what version(s) of stuff you were running
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19:49<somiaj>mozzie: I'm very surprised you have segfaults on wget with that. You could try the BTS, but I would suggest look at the tool debsums, and do a debsum on wget and libaries wget depends on to ensure you don't have corruption on your end.
19:49<somiaj>mozzie: but there is a package called reportbug you can use to file a bugreport against the wget package and provide the bugreport with the info you have given here
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19:52<mozzie>I need to replace wget for my work, I will look to send a bug report later.
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19:52<uso>mozzie: installing the according -dev libraries and rerunning the backtrace to get more symbols would probably help to find the bug
19:53<mozzie>according -dev?
19:53<somiaj>I'm very surprised you are getting this, wget is used a lot on wheezy and I don't see any bug reports. If I were to guess I woudl think you have some corruption on your end.
19:53<uso>e.g. libc6-dev libgnutls-dev
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19:54<uso>mozzie: can you ahsre the URL on which you get wget to segfault or is it private?
19:54<mozzie>sorry but my english is very limited, I don't understand what you say with "somme corruption on your end"
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19:56<somiaj>mozzie: I mean you have a bad libary or wget binary that is not identical to the one debian provides because it got corrupted.
19:56<somiaj>mozzie: hence my suggestion to check with debsums, or --reinstall the packages
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19:57<mozzie>somiaj, I search to verify with debsums
19:57<mozzie>uso, PM
19:57<somiaj>or yes, if you can share the exact url, wget command you are running we can test on our wheezy machines and see if we too get the same segfault (i.e. test the bug)
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20:09<mozzie>uso, #0 0xb7403c3c in asn1_der_coding () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/
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20:10<uso>mozzie: I'm the wrong one for fixing that :)
20:11<uso>but if you have checked your debsums add the backtrace from the dev libraries to the bug report
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20:18<horux>help ?
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20:21<somiaj>horux: please ask your question
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20:22<horux>3 are in fact first is normal for google chrome give a travadinhas when you open site with flash, youtube, etc? type 5 tabs? loading of pages?
20:22<horux>second, like to install plugins tvtime can help me?
20:23<horux>third, giving this error in tvtime sound, know how solve? sorry for the English, it is translated.
20:23<horux>travadinhas = small locked's
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20:27<somiaj>horux: lest work with one at a time, and I don't understand your frist question, what is a 'travadinhas'?
20:27<somiaj>okay waht is small locked's?
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20:28<horux>CPU at 100%, slow down for a few seconds. is a dual core 2.80
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20:29<somiaj>horux: flash is notrouslly buggy, but on my system I am running it just fine
20:30<somiaj>horux: the part that has me worry is you say 'google-chrome' and since debian does not provided this, I have no clue where you got this binary or package and if it was designed to work with wheezy (which I'm assuming you are running)
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20:33<horux>is provided by google in. deb, I think are the pages of the internet that evolved and became heavier, okay, can you help me in the next question, please?
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20:35<somiaj>mozzie: anyways I have an idea about your problem, basically that command ate up all my memory (it was using over 10gigs and started crashing my apps when I killed it)
20:36<somiaj>I never got a segfault, but I didn't let it run until my memeory was eaten up
20:37<somiaj>horux: a .deb could be built for any number of different debian based distros. You got a .deb that was built for wheezy? Why not just use chromium which is in debian and is almost the same thing?
20:37<horux>I understand that there is a command, that what? I kill the process of chrome?
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20:38<somiaj>horux: killall google-chrome may work, or use 'ps fax' to get the pid, and kill -9 pid
20:38<horux>I'll try, I used for my version, wheezy amd64.
20:39<somiaj>horux: Well I would try chromium (you may have to also install flashplugin-nonfree) and see if you have the same issues
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20:40<horux>ok, thanks, I'll try and plugins tvtime?
20:40<horux>Can you help ?
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20:41<somiaj>I do not know anything about this plugin
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20:43<horux>Please see the following definitions
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20:43<somiaj>,v tvtime
20:43<judd>Package: tvtime on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-6.1; wheezy: 1.0.2-10; jessie: 1.0.2-12.1; sid: 1.0.2-12.1
20:43<somiaj>horux: why not just 'apt-get install tvtime'?
20:44<horux>yes, but would like some plugins that did not come by default and no repositories.
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20:49<horux>@somiaj yes, but would like some plugins that did not come by default and no repositories.
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20:52<somiaj>mozzie: I think I tracked down the bug and your problem, seems I was right on the memory issue
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20:56<somiaj>mozzie: -- looks like the bug is a memory leak with GNU TLS (the https:// you were using is what caused this)
20:57<somiaj>mozzie: it was fixed in jessie, but not wheezy, you'll probablay have to backport the package from jessie (/msg dpkg ssb) to get the fix on your system
20:58<somiaj>mozzie: segfault was most likely due to running out of memeory and the kernel killing it
20:58<horux> yes, but would like some plugins that did not come by default and no repositories.
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20:59<somiaj>horux: if it is just a plugin for your webbrowers, install it normally (download the plugin) and put it in your $HOME direcotry in the correct spot. Just make sure the plugin supports the version you are running
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---Logclosed Wed May 07 00:00:00 2014