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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-05-07

---Logopened Wed May 07 00:00:00 2014
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---Logclosed Wed May 07 08:28:47 2014
---Logopened Wed May 07 08:28:52 2014
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08:28-!-Irssi: #debian: Total of 670 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 669 normal]
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08:47<ramya>hai
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10:11<horux>hello
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11:09<adlpaf>Someone has information about how I can install Debian on a Sun T1000 SunFire?
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11:43<canaima>hola
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11:55<Kuba>!hi
11:55<dpkg>hello, kuba
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12:42<darwin>hola
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12:46<leoslax>hola
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12:46<leoslax>I have a problem with lyx
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12:47<leoslax>someone here can help me?
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12:48<trico>!ask
12:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:51<leoslax>Sorry dpkg
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12:52<leoslax>I use Debian 7.5 x86
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12:53<leoslax>when i press F7 lyx says The spelling checker not have dictionaries.
12:53<jonadab>There may be a separate package for the dictionaries, probably because which ones you want depends on which language(s) you use.
12:53<leoslax>I have installed aspell, ispell, hunspell
12:54<leoslax>in the lyx settings, the route hunspell is disable
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13:22<dfsdf>Hello, if anyone is around, I have a question. I installed debian-testing a few times. Allowed root login. Can login as the regular user. Cannot login or su to root, password not accepted. Did not enable shadow passwords. Any help would be great!
13:24<centrx>I believe there is a configuration question for whether to allow root login
13:24<centrx>It might be associated with the login package
13:24<centrx>Cannot su either?
13:24<centrx>"Did not enable shadow passwords" What!?
13:25<dfsdf>no, and i guess it doesn't put sudo on there, when you allow root login
13:25<dfsdf>At one point it asks you if you want to use shadow passwords. I selected 'no'
13:26<horux>hello ?
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13:26<jonadab>dfsdf: If you don't use shadow passwords, the pasword hashes are (or at least used to be) stored directly in /etc/passwd instead.
13:26<horux>xawtv and tvtime irc channel ?
13:27<dfsdf>jonadab: ok, i looked in that file, and there was a long hash for the regular user, but nothing for the root entry
13:27<horux>hello, can someone help me install a package?
13:27<jonadab>dfsdf: If you boot from a LiveCD and mount the filesystem, you can copy the hash from the regular user into the same spot for the root account, then use that password to log in as root. Then change root's password to whatever you like.
13:28<centrx>!ask
13:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:28<jonadab>(This is assuming no per-user salt, but I don't think the old /etc/passwd system supported salt.)
13:28<dfsdf>awesome! great idea, tyvm!
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13:29<uso>dfsdf: when there really is nothing have you even tried to login with an empty password?
13:29<jonadab>horux: the usual command-line method is apt-get install name-of-package ; if you prefer a GUI, have a look at Synaptic.
13:29<dfsdf>uso: ill give that a shot, before i do the live cd
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13:30<jonadab>Will the system allow root to log in with a null password? If so, that feels like a bug.
13:30<dfsdf>I'll come back and let you know
13:30<horux>http://sourceforge.net/p/deinterlace/code/4788/tree/
13:30<horux>jonadab
13:30<horux>pls
13:31<uso>jonadab: I don't know, never have tried that, but it's a try before rebooting with a rescue system
13:31<alt2>Iwlwifi on my machine has killed my WiFi with an update. Not sure how to repair it. Have an Intel centrino 6205
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13:32<mtn>alt2: which version of debian?
13:32<alt2>Jessie
13:32<mtn>alt2: best to go to #debian-next for support with jessie
13:33<alt2>Ok
13:33<alt2>Thanks mtn
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13:36<jonadab>horux: A quick Google search seems to indicate that DScaler may have non-free dependencies, so it may be necessary to enable the non-free repositories in your sources.list
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13:38<jonadab>Hmm... actually, further investigation suggests that DScaler may also require WINE.
13:39<jonadab>There's probably a much easier-to-install package that does what you want, though...
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13:51<dfsdf>update: cut and pasted hash in /etc/passwd. Was able to log in as root. Thanks! Noticed root entry had '*', not empty as I reported earlier. Did not allow empty password login as expected. thanks everyone
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13:56<centrx>Why use unshadowed passwords?
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13:59<alumno>erik rikardo lopez luna
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14:00<uniqdom>is there a way to install a untrusted .deb safely. i mean something like in a sand box?
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14:03<uniqdom>i will extract the .deb, and try to run it with a new unprivileged user... would it be safer than installing it as root right?
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14:07<centrx>uniqdom, Sure, yes
14:07<centrx>uniqdom, .deb files are just archives
14:07<uso>uniqdom: running as an unprivileged user of course is safer, you also could use sand boxes like a chroot or a VM
14:07<centrx>uniqdom, You could also use a chroot environment
14:07<centrx>^ VM too
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14:08<uniqdom>i will have to read about chroot
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14:18<uniqdom>so, i have created a new user called "safe". "groups safe" shows "safe"... how can i avoid that user to reach internet?
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14:18<uniqdom>sudo su safe ; ping google.com... show that i have connectivity
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14:20<uso>uniqdom: iptables has a match for package owners, something like "-m owner --uid-owner safe"
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14:22<uniqdom>i thought that connectivity can be handled with groups... like when you need to use a modem (or a serial port?) you add your user to dialout group
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14:26<uso>uniqdom: you can restrict users from using devices to establish a network connection, but as far as I know not to use an existing one
14:26<uso>the only way I know is with iptables, it may also be possible by using cgroups
14:26<uniqdom>ok thanks :)
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14:27<uso>but maybe othere know better here :)
14:27<uso>*others
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14:49<vmraw>hello
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14:50<ompaul>six letters ;-)
14:50<ompaul>hello
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14:52<uso>is there any way to tell the kernel to completely ignore I/O errors on a device? I want to wipe a broken disk, but the kernel always takes the disk offline because of I/O errors. Or is it the drive itself which goes offline (external USB disk)?
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14:53<uso>even worse the kernel writes a message to syslog for every failed write, I have gigs of syslog now which logcheck happily tries to parse and to send me per mail later :P
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14:56<trico>not sute how to do it, but i thought the log could trimmed but just writing out 'last message repeated n times'
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14:57<uso>trico: yes, remember something about that, but I rather would solve the primary problem
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14:59<trico>your disks need to be replaced?
14:59<uso>the problem is that the disk goes offline after a few mins and I don't know how to prevent that
15:00<uso>trico: yes, it's not used anymore, I just want to wipe it before I return it to the dealer
15:01<trico>i wonder if thats power management? what kind of drive is that? i think wd green does that
15:01<uso>trico: power management shouldn't take a device offline while it
15:01<uso>'s used
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15:02<uso>it's a seagate barracuda, external, connected to USB
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15:14<horux>jonadab ?
15:14<horux>horux: A quick Google search seems to indicate that DScaler may have non-free dependencies, so it may be necessary to enable the non-free repositories in your sources.list
15:14<horux>but and to install it?
15:16<trico>barracuda... i know certain models of that were really unreliable. can you look for a firmware update for it?
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15:16<horux> jonadab ?
15:16<horux><horux> horux: A quick Google search seems to indicate that DScaler may have non-free dependencies, so it may be necessary to enable the non-free repositories in your sources.list
15:16<horux><horux> but and to install it?
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15:26<uso>trico: yes, there is a newer firmware available, but I guess it's too late now or could a new firmware fix a drive which already has defect sectors and have problems to find the tracks on the disk (guessed from the noise it sometimes makes)? and as I still have warranty I'll rather return it
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15:32<trico>is there something critical on there you need to remove? they didnt try to get you to update the firmware before accepting the return?
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15:34<uso>trico: not really critical things, still don't like to leave my photos and other stuff on it ;) and I never had a request to update the firmware before returning a drive so far
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15:34<jonadab>horux: I was afk there for a bit, but I'm not sure I understand your question. It doesn't help that I don't know what DScaler is or what it does.
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15:35<jonadab>There used to be a package for it in etch, but in squeeze or wheezy I don't see one, so it may be necessary to compile from source.
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15:35<horux>he is tidying distortion of cable television
15:36<uso>and actually hardware vendors rather should fix there products before they sell it and not requesting customers to do their job before returning broken devices ;)
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15:38<jonadab>horux: If there's not a package for it in Debian, you may need to compile it from the source. To do that, you'll need to install build-essential, plus the -dev packages for any libraries it depends on.
15:39<jonadab>Then if it's typical you can tar -xjvf whatever.tar.bz2 ; cd whatever ; ./configure ; make ; make install
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15:40<jonadab>But I don't know anything about DScaler specifically.
15:40<horux>ok, I've installed the build essential, the architecture is amd64, intel, could indicate me which file I use to compile? I'll make a tutorial, many people look on this topic.
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15:40<jonadab>horux: Well, you donwload the source tarball for the thing you're trying to build.
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15:41<horux>ok, how to use the tarball?
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15:46<MiDiDUB>extract it first
15:46<adlpaf>Someone has information about how I can install Debian on a Sun T1000 SunFire?
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15:49<ali_>wc
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15:50<uso>adlpaf: depending on what architecture it is you either need the sparc or the i386/amd64 installer
15:50<MrFrood>adlpaf: would #debian-sparc be the channel you are looking for?
15:51<adlpaf>uso, the Sun T1000 only support sparc
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15:51<adlpaf>MrFrood, I wrote there, but no one answer
15:52<adlpaf>yet*
15:52<MrFrood>!tell adlpaf about sparc
15:54<MrFrood>adlpaf: the channels for more obscure cruft can involve a bit of idling
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15:56<jonadab>horux: You know, like tar -xjvf whatever.tar.bz2 or tar -xzvf whatever.tar.gz, just like you extract any tarball.
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15:57<zykotic10>jonadab: fyi, modern tar versions typically don't need the j or z switch and can just automajically figure it out...
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15:57<jonadab>zykotic10: Really? Cool. When did they implement that?
15:57<zykotic10>?
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15:58<ncl>GNU tar has had that for years
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15:59<jonadab>Huh. I never noticed.
15:59<horux>janadab
15:59<horux>ok
15:59<horux>http://sourceforge.net/p/deinterlace/code/4788/tree/
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16:00<horux>which folder I setup for my debian? wheezy in the case?
16:00<horux>can take a look at this very busy?
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16:01<jonadab>horux: if you don't know which version of that software you want to use, you're going to have to talk to somebody who knows something about that specific software.
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16:01<adlpaf>MrFrood, thanks a lot
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16:02<jonadab>Also, horux, if you're so new to Debian that you don't know what to do with a tarball, you seriously might want to consider opening up Synaptic and searching it for already-built software that does what you want to do.
16:03<jonadab>That would probably be a LOT easier than trying to build third-party software from source that is not well known and may have weird build dependencies.
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16:08<horux>I know compile, just do not understand the structure of sourceforge and find the script to use DScaler, from what I saw, no gz or tar.gz package, there is only and scripts folders, and setup for windows, it is distributed to according to the gpl rules, I think there is a linux version, but the installation is scripted,. h is script for linux? know. sh no point etc, can take a look at this directory? sorry for the bad english, I'm using a translator. http://s
16:08<horux>ourceforge.net/p/deinterlace/code/4788/tree/trunk/DScaler5/Common/
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16:11<critical>horux -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/deinterlace/files/DScaler%20-%20Alpha%20Versions/4.2.2/DScaler422Src.zip/download
16:11<critical>sourcecode as zip file
16:13<gsimmons>horux: AFAICT, DScaler only supports Microsoft Windows. Its deinterlacing libraries can't be built on non-Windows platforms (which is why libdscaler was in contrib) and were only usable with tvtime using Wine.
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16:13<critical>gsimmons, thx for that ... i was a bit late :)
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16:14<horux>how to do it?
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16:14<horux>I saw that there are plugins for the DScaler tvtime? how compile? this link and source is there any way to use it?
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16:20<gsimmons>horux: DScaler source is not usable on your Linux system, as the application is not cross platform. As jonadab suggested earlier, consider something else (e.g. mplayer/mplayer2 with its deinterlacing filters).
16:20<horux>how to use mplayer with these filters?
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16:20<horux>is there any plugin for xawtv or tvtime?
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16:37<MrFrood>horux: mplayer questions are best directed to #mplayer on irc.freenode.net
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16:39<samueltummala>Sorry- but is anyone able to help fix a wireless connectivity problem
16:40<MrFrood>samueltummala: just state the issue and ask the question and then if anyone can help they will
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16:48<horux>there is no one in the channel ..
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16:48<SamB>!mplayer
16:48<dpkg>MPlayer is a movie player for Unix-like systems. Binary codecs can be provided with the package-supplied binary_codecs.sh script or <w32codecs>. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. See also <mplayer faq>, <mencoder>, <mplayer2> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ #mplayer on irc.freenode.net.
16:49<SamB>horux: hmm, I guess the factoid is out of date or ...?
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16:49<SamB>horux: you did remember that freenode is another network though, right?
16:49<MrFrood>SamB: sometimes you need to idle there a while before someone answers
16:49<MrFrood>er horux ^^^
16:50<SamB>oh, does he have a different idea of "no one there" than I do?
16:50<SamB>I count "no one there" as what you get when the only people listed in the channel in question arrived due to its having been mentioned just now
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16:52<MrFrood>SamB: 28 people inc me now I joined to check
16:53<MrFrood>er sorry that should be 117 not 28
16:53<SamB>yeah, that's different from "no one"
16:53<MrFrood>horux seeems to be making an impression there
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16:54<SamB>heh
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16:58<MrFrood>horux: ask your question properly in #mplayer and you might get an answer
16:58<MrFrood>!ask
16:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:58<MrFrood>horux: ^^^^
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17:47<Lennie>hi
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17:47<DrZaius>after moving my / to some ssd drive with rsync -av im getting permission denied for ping without root
17:47<DrZaius>this is the trace http://paste.debian.net/98104/
17:48<DrZaius>does anybody know why? o.O
17:48<Lennie>can anyone tell me why downloading the source with apt-get source gets you a different source than what the package is built with for the linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 package ?
17:48<DrZaius>Lennie: what do you mean with package is built with for the...
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17:49<DrZaius>im not sure if the kernels get binary uploads, but it should be the same
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17:50<Lennie>DrZaius: you can also see it online. Have a look at the source links https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 they point to 3.2.57-3
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17:51<Lennie>DrZaius: rsync -va doesn't include attributes (-X) maybe that is what you are missing ?
17:52<Lennie>DrZaius: maybe your ping used capabilties instead of setuid ?
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17:53<DrZaius>i have the oldroot mounted and i can use that
17:53<DrZaius>none of them have setuid and attributes seems the same
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17:54<Lennie>DrZaius: the reason I'm asking about the source is because I want to rebuild a single module with a single line changed, but the source is different. Fun little fact: uname -a gives: Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3 x86_64 GNU/Linux
17:55<Lennie>DrZaius: notice there is: 3.2.0-4 and 3.2.57-3 ???
17:55<DrZaius>Lennie: my only guess with yours is that the package name does not include the 0.0.X part of the package
17:55<DrZaius>you should only trust the version, no the package name
17:56<DrZaius>the 3.2.0-4 is part of the name not the version...
17:56<Lennie>DrZaius: so where I download the source for the kernel I have installed (I have the latest stable version installed) ?
17:56<gsimmons>Lennie: You might be interested in the Kernel Handbook ; /msg dpkg kernel handbook
17:57<DrZaius>Lennie: so what uname -r says?
17:57<Lennie>gsimmons: I guess I was hoping I could avoid it, but I'm surprised the compiled source is from the binary installed
17:57<Lennie>DrZaius: 3.2.0-4-amd64
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17:58<DrZaius>yeah, its probably the package name does not get upgraded for the minor-minor version
17:58<Lennie>DrZaius: when I go to /usr/src and do apt-get source linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 I get /usr/src/linux-3.2.57
17:58<DrZaius>im running 3.13.7-1 but the package says 3.13-1-amd64
17:59<DrZaius>the source you are getting is the one installed (if its up to date)
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17:59<DrZaius>yeah... then you got me
17:59<DrZaius>no idea u.u
18:00<DrZaius>uname -a for the whole thing
18:01<Lennie>DrZaius they are obviously doing a trick I guess. :-) but what got me spoked is installed kernel .ko module binary is: 161560 bytes and source compiled it's: 3386424 both are not stripped
18:02<Lennie>DrZaius: your ping problem is also 'interresting', what package are you using for ping ?
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18:04<chealer>Lennie: the package names built from linux used to be wrong. and they're still that way in stable, so you should consider "3.2.0-4-amd64" as "3.2-4-amd64"
18:05<Lennie>chealer: thanks, I'll just build the whole kernel and see if that does what I want. :-)
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18:08<DrZaius>so anybody else know what could be my problem with ping?
18:08<Lennie>DrZaius: what package are you using for ping ?
18:08<DrZaius>(and probably some other binary once i find out whats the problem...)
18:08<DrZaius>iputils-ping
18:10<DrZaius>i downloaded the package and permissions/attributes are the same
18:10<DrZaius>even the md5 of the binary is okay
18:10<Lennie>DrZaius: that uses setuid root
18:10<DrZaius>u.u
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18:10<Lennie>DrZaius: when you do ls -lA /bin/ping do you see the s ?
18:11<Lennie>DrZaius: did you mount the filesystem without allow setuid binaries ?
18:11<DrZaius>no... but i have mounted the oldroot and it works
18:11<Lennie>DrZaius: maybe before rsyncing ?
18:12<DrZaius>that might be
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18:12<DrZaius>but how the old binary does work?
18:12<DrZaius>(i mounted with default, not sure if that includes nosetuid)
18:13<Lennie>DrZaius: default should be fine. When you rsynced it was it mounted as default as well ?
18:13<DrZaius>yup
18:14<Lennie>DrZaius: do you see the s with you ls -lA ?
18:14<DrZaius>http://paste.debian.net/98110/
18:14<DrZaius>this is the oldroot mounted
18:14<DrZaius>no setuid and it works
18:15<DrZaius>lsattr are the same on both (old and in /) ----------e--
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18:15<DrZaius>permissions on both are the same as well
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18:16<DrZaius>selinux is in permisive, but permissions are the same as well and logs report nothing (in case you noticed the .)
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18:17<Lennie>DrZaius: no didn't notice the . Not very good at noticing SELinux isms yet. :-)
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18:19<Lennie>DrZaius: does [/mnt]$ in your http://paste.debian.net/98110/ mean regular user and not root ?
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18:21<Lennie>DrZaius: have to admit it's was probably a stupid question, but I'm kinda baffled right now what else it could be. I would have expected it would say: -rwsr-xr-x
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18:24<DrZaius>yeah, im using regular user, not root
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18:24<DrZaius>yeah me2
18:25<DrZaius>im completely baffled by now as well
18:25<Lennie>DrZaius: what is ll an alias of ?
18:25<DrZaius>thats why i sent the trace http://paste.debian.net/98104/
18:25<DrZaius>in case anybody can tell me more
18:25<DrZaius>ls -lrtah
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18:26<DrZaius>i suddenly thought it could be the setuid... that the rsync -av didnt copy it... but then it occurred to me to check the old one
18:26<DrZaius>without setuid and it works
18:26<DrZaius>also, if you download ping, is not setuid either
18:26<DrZaius>the package i mean
18:28<DrZaius>yeah... well, the unpackage of the ping package didnt setuid the binary, but it does not work either without root
18:28<Lennie>DrZaius: iputils-ping is -rwsr-xr-x on my machines (Debian stable)
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18:28<DrZaius>u.u so how come i can ping with the old ping that is not setuid??
18:29<DrZaius>this is driving me crazy u.u
18:31<Lennie>DrZaius: I really don't know why you can ping with the old ping,... yet
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18:31<DrZaius>yet meaning you think you can work it out? :>
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18:33<Lennie>DrZaius: yet as in have not given up, yet
18:35<Lennie>DrZaius: have you checked grep -i nosuid /proc/$$/mounts ?
18:36<Lennie>DrZaius: is root or oldroot in that list ?
18:37<Lennie>DrZaius: or bind mounts ?
18:39<DrZaius>Lennie: neither
18:40<Lennie>DrZaius: that is very creative
18:40<DrZaius>http://paste.debian.net/98117/
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18:42<Lennie>you are trying to run the different ping binaries from the same shell ?
18:42<DrZaius>if i copy /mnt/bin/ping to /bin/weirdping it does not work
18:43<DrZaius>i did now... same shell
18:43<Lennie>DrZaius: what if you copy /bin/weirdping to /mnt/bin/weirdping and try running /mnt/bin/weirdping ?
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18:44<DrZaius>it does not work
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18:45<Lennie>DrZaius: then clearly something about the old binary isn't being copied.
18:45<DrZaius>checksums are identical and attributes and permissions
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18:47<Lennie>DrZaius: try renaming /mnt/bin/ping to /mnt/bin/some-ping or something and try running that one ?
18:47<DrZaius>Lennie: im afraid i might broke its magic
18:47<DrZaius>but okay
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18:48<Lennie>DrZaius: or try copying it from /mnt/bin/ping to /mnt/bin/some-ping first ?
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18:48<DrZaius>mv bin/ping bin/weirdping2
18:48<DrZaius>still works
18:48<Lennie>DrZaius: when I rename a setuid binary it keeps it's properties.
18:49<Lennie>DrZaius: I thought maybe it's something path based, I guess not
18:49<DrZaius>cp bin/weirdping2 bin/weirdping3
18:49<DrZaius>weirdping3 does not work
18:49<DrZaius>what the hell
18:49<Lennie>DrZaius: your method of copying seems wrong ;-)
18:50<Lennie>DrZaius: cp -p ?
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18:50<DrZaius>oh okay... i always thought that was about dates and stuff
18:51<DrZaius>only
18:51<DrZaius>but yeah, with -p does not work either
18:51<DrZaius>lsattra show the same
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18:53<Lennie>DrZaius: sorry should be: cp --preserve=all
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18:54<DrZaius>yup that worked
18:54<DrZaius>i thought i had a ping that couldnt be copied... but now it can
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18:56<Lennie>DrZaius: strace cp maybe ??
18:56<DrZaius>supposibly that stuff shows up with $ stat file
18:56<DrZaius>im checkin up the differences
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18:57<DrZaius>since all that is in the inode, right?
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18:58<Lennie>DrZaius: at this point it's anyones guess ;-)
19:01<DrZaius>this is the strace http://paste.debian.net/98119/
19:02<Lennie>DrZaius: have you tried: rsync -AX -va /bin/ping /bin/otherping ?
19:02<DrZaius>this is the stat http://paste.debian.net/98120/ (weirdping does not work weirdping2 does)
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19:04<DrZaius>yeah, that rsync worked
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19:04<Lennie>DrZaius: looks like some selinux problem
19:05<DrZaius>selinux is not reporting anything, but in anycase... selinux prevent something from working
19:05<DrZaius>but it does not allow something to work
19:05<Lennie>DrZaius: the strace shows selinux stuff and rsync -X copies them
19:05<Krystal>\server\irc.racktools.us
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19:06<DrZaius>Lennie: yup i think ping should be setuid but i have one that is not that works :/
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19:08<Lennie>DrZaius: it's SELinux or capabilties, the capabilties list isn't empty in your case. Anyway rsync with -X solves the problem. So now you know how to check what other files didn't copy as intended
19:09<Lennie>DrZaius: and how to backup your system (if you use rsync for that)
19:09<DrZaius>yeah, i guess i cant rsync again since i upgraded
19:09<DrZaius>no... actually i didnt upgrade
19:10<DrZaius>but it feels dirty to rsync back an old /
19:10<Lennie>DrZaius: I didn't meant you should rsync. There is also -n to only check for differences
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19:11<DrZaius>Lennie: good idea
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19:11<DrZaius>thank you very Lennie !
19:11<Lennie>DrZaius: best I can do I guess ;-)
19:11<DrZaius>man sure is complicated to copy /
19:12<DrZaius>i usually want to copy everything absolutely possible allowed by the filesystem
19:12<DrZaius>why so many switches!
19:12<Lennie>DrZaius: things got more complicated over the years, it's true
19:13<DrZaius>i understand the retro compatibility
19:13<DrZaius>i thought i had the top noch copy tool with rsync -av but it still felt short u.u
19:13<Lennie>DrZaius: I also use --numeric-ids with rsync too, when copying to an other system (as backup)
19:13<DrZaius>rsync -AX -av from now on
19:14<DrZaius>ill add that to my list as well
19:14<Lennie>DrZaius: numeric-ids is saver and could in theory be even faster ;-)
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19:15<Lennie>DrZaius: but that speed advantage is lost because it's a lot slower to type :-)
19:15<DrZaius>XDD
19:16<DrZaius>i would upgrade cp or rsync to another tool... that just copy everything allowed by filesystem
19:17<DrZaius>i dont want to think... just copy EVERYTHING
19:17<Lennie>DrZaius: anyway, I'm off to bed.
19:17<DrZaius>yeah, me2
19:17<DrZaius>thanks Lennie
19:17<Lennie>DrZaius: yeah, rsync needs an other option :-)
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19:17<Lennie>DrZaius: not sure if it should be: rsync --everything or rsync --lazy :-)
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19:18<DrZaius>yeah... that switch sure is missing
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19:20<Lennie>DrZaius: to be honest I also want --snapshot
19:21<Lennie>DrZaius: windows supports snapshots, solaris/freebsd zfs support snapshots, btrfs supports snapshots. So why not have it ?
19:21<Lennie>sweet dreams people
19:21<Lennie>have a good night
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19:34<awal>It seems that there are like around 1000 DD. Why Debian has the biggest gnu/linux dev. community?
19:35<awal>1000, WOW!
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19:37<centrx>awal, Debian is older and freer and includes more software.
19:39<LennieAway>and comes with binaries (no self compiling)
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19:41<awal>hmmm
19:44<themill>(there are about 2000 maintainers)
19:45<awal>awsome :)
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20:48<topcyde>when running dpkg --get-selections, I have many packages marked "deinstall" Nothing I try will make them go away, and I need some space. I tried apt-get clean, apt-get autoremove, apt-get remove --purge, dpkg --purge --pending. all give me nothing.
20:48<uso>DrZaius: ping needs suid only for special options like flood ping, also maybe have a look at rsync options -H and -S if you want a mostly identical backup
20:49<abrotman>dselect upgrade?
20:49<dselect>upgrade is probably what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze> <squeeze->wheezy>.
20:50<abrotman>that want what i meant!
20:50<abrotman>wasn't
20:50<topcyde>I also tried: apt-get purge 'dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1'. Any suggestions on how to get them to deinstall?
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20:51<abrotman>topcyde: apt-get dselect-upgrade?
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20:52*abrotman changes
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20:55<uso>shouldn't apt-get purge or aptitude purge remove them finally?
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20:55<uso>topcyde: what's the status of these packages? (dpkg -l)
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20:58<GinoMan>Yay, This seems to be working ok
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21:02<topcyde>uso: is the status all the way to the left where it's marked ii or rc?
21:02<topcyde>abrotman apt-get dselect-upgrade wasn't going to remove anything
21:03<uso>topcyde: yes (see the header of the output)
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21:05<topcyde>skimming the list and comparing some of the package names with dpkg --get-selections the ones marked rc are also marked deinstall on the other
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21:06<uso>topcyde: can you paste the output of dpkg -l for a few of these packages you want to remove? and paste what happens when you try to purge these packages with apt-get purge or aptitude purge?
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21:06<uso>topcyde: these are deinstalled but not purged packages
21:07<uso>only the config files are still installed
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21:12<topcyde>I'm trying to dump to pastebin be a sec
21:13<uso>!paste
21:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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21:18<topcyde>here's the output of dpkg -l http://pastebin.com/0dz8zz9p
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21:19<uso>topcyde: umm, just use 2 or 3 packages as an example :)
21:20<uso>dpkg -l pkg1 pkg2; aptitude purge pkg1 pkg2 ... and paste that
21:20<dpkg>ii pkg1 pkg2; aptitude purge pkg1 pkg2 ... and paste that 2.6-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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21:21<uso>topcyde: two of these packages you want to remove
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21:22<uso>topcyde: or even only one example, e.g. "aptitude purge aisleriot" and paste that
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21:25<topcyde>I did $apt-get purge xdg-user-dirs-gtk it said it was a configuration file. removed it fine. I just didn't realize i was going to have to get them one by one. Here's the paste bin if you will make sure I don't misunderstand. http://pastebin.com/tqrxFMCg
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21:27<uso>topcyde: yes, you need to submit the list of the packages to apt-get
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21:28<topcyde>isn't that what apt-get purge 'dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1' was supposed to do?
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21:30<uso>topcyde: if you have used the backticks, yes (and the number of packages isn't too large)
21:31<uso>though I'm not sure if apt-get can handle the architecture extension on some packages (e.g. zlib1g-dev:amd64)
21:31<somiaj>apt-get understands multiarch just fine
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21:35<topcyde>I did use the backticks(I assume you were noting the apostrophes?) and gave me this: Unable to locate package dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1
21:36<SamB>topcyde: no, not ', `
21:36<topcyde>I read that as it was loking for a packaged named that
21:36<topcyde>looking
21:36<uso>topcyde: when you got this you used the wrong ones :)
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21:37<topcyde>sonofabitch
21:38<uso>topcyde: if you use bash you also can use: apt-get purge $(dpkg --get-selections ....)
21:38<topcyde>yes that was it.
21:38<topcyde>stupidstupidstupid
21:38<uso>happens :D
21:39<topcyde>thanks
21:40<topcyde>before I punch these all out I was wondering if there is an advantage/disadvantage to dumpoing the configuration files?
21:41<uso>topcyde: sometimes it helps just to paste the output of the command which does not work as expected, would have shortened this a bit :)
21:42<uso>topcyde: I have enabled auto-purge on all my systems, but other people may disagree about that
21:43<uso>but I also use etckeeper, so I always have a backup of the config files if I really need them later
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21:45<topcyde>but if the package is removed what would I need the config file for?
21:45<uso>topcyde: e.g. when you have modified them and reinstall the package later
21:46<uso>when you ask me, purge should be the default ;), but it's not everybodys opinion, maybe even not that of a majority
21:48<uso>(otherwise it probably would be the default)
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21:49<topcyde>hrrm... usually I remove packages because I believe I've screwed up some configuration.
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21:51<uso>topcyde: maybe have a look at etckeeper, it keeps track of config changes in /etc
21:52<uso>so you always can go back to the previous state
21:52<topcyde>I am looking at that it sounded interesting when you mentioned it
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22:35<towski_>my touchpad is way too sensitive to two finger touches
22:37<somiaj>as in you acidently click the mouse button when you don't mean to, mine also gets stuck in scroll mode
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22:38<somiaj>I'm not sure how to configure that at all, I just don't use my touchpad. But I think I heard someone mention a synamptic tool that could configure some things
22:38<towski_>yeah I tried to mess with some of the configuration
22:39<towski_>i don't think I found the correct way to modify some of those configs
22:39<somiaj>looks like it is called synclient
22:39<towski_>but if my second finger even brushes the touch pad, it starts to scroll
22:39<somiaj>archwiki has some detailed info tha tmight be of use, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics, shoudl be fairly standard on debian just be weary of arch sepcific commands
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22:41<towski_>thanks
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23:12<rjsalts>I don't understand, can a versioned depends not be satisfied by a Provides: ...?
23:13<somiaj>rjsalts: it should be, how about you give the version of debian you are running, and the actual errors you get so we can also look at the packages in questions
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23:20<towski_>also chromium seems to have some incompatibility issues with web sites that chrome doesn't
23:20<towski_>does anyone use chromium over chrome, and is there a way to have better compatibility?
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23:21<SamB>rjsalts: afaik the answer is still "no, it cannot"
23:21<somiaj>towski_: any paticular websites, I use chromium and it has worked fine for me
23:21<SamB>rjsalts: which is sad
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23:22<somiaj>oh I see, version depends, :/
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23:25<towski_>somiaj: google maps iframe javascript broke on a 3rd party website, and netflix started complaining (I use pipelight + user-agent switcher)
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23:25<epoch_qwert>I'm doing a kernel upgrade with apt-get and was wondering who "us" is in this error message:
23:25<epoch_qwert>dracut: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae
23:25<epoch_qwert>E: Directories consolefonts, consoletrans, keymaps not found. Please inform us about the issue including your OS name and version.
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23:30<epoch_qwert>I'll be back hopefully. Testing the new kernel.
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23:32<Sparhawk>anyone know what the status is on the development of "debian-frontend" ?
23:32<Sparhawk>the debian.org site says it's on hiatus... :P
23:33<Sparhawk>was thinking of emailing the head honcho developer but thought I'd ask in here first...
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23:36<somiaj>what is debian-frontend?
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23:37<sney>the dpkgbot doesn't know either
23:38<somiaj>google didn't help me
23:38<sney>nor did a search of debian.org. Sparhawk - does it go by any other names?
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23:50<GinoMan>So, I'm trying to convert my Debian stable to debian testing and It wants to remove these packages and I'm afraid to let it remove so much, am I just being a scaredy cat? http://pastebin.com/S6hEiRus
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23:56<somiaj>GinoMan: looks like it wants to remove your whole gnome/xorg system, do you want that?
23:57<somiaj>GinoMan: might try #debian-next and then double check you have configured your sources.list correctly and what command you are running
23:57<somiaj>also apt-get might be easier in the upgrade (not sure though)
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23:57<GinoMan>I installed gnome using "aptitude install gnome" after starting with lxde
23:59<GinoMan>I don't want to uninstall x11
23:59<sney>sometimes with upgrades your best bet is to let it remove stuff, and then install it again later
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