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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-05-11

---Logopened Sun May 11 00:00:09 2014
00:00<andrew>github is back up, incase anyone was curious
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01:13<xanonxhackerx>Hello
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01:33<shadow>yep
01:34<shadow>asked on debian-mentors, though, kind of doubt "$$(pwd)/debian/package_name" is the best practice from debian/rules ; suggestions?
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01:36<wang>8u9jh
01:37<shadow>I think Pabs has me covered
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02:04<Tom___>Is Debian aiming to push gvfs over fuse like libav over ffmpeg was?
02:04*Tom___ isn't finding much info
02:05<shadow>hurr
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02:12<CQ>what's the best way to get started with PHP (in particular to work on wordpress plugins)? Which IDE (Netbeans?) and how to debug (Xdebug?) are my main two questions... any suggestions?
02:14<shadow>CQ: what other background do you have?
02:14<shadow>C?
02:15<andrew>CQ: Get the trial for phpstorm. Yeah, it's not open source, but (and this is coming from someone who will normally do anything to use the opensource way), it just really is worth the value in the time it saves, and the perspective it gives you in bigger projects. It also automatically pairs up with xdebug and every framework you would end up working with, which helps
02:15<CQ>Yes, C
02:16<andrew>and yeah, I guess plugins for any architecture would be fine. I chose mediawiki, but it's hellish in comparison to wordpress
02:17<shadow>andrew: does anything compare, once you're acquainted ?
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02:17<andrew>shadow: I've used vim (which I quite like, but it's just not good for working within large object-oriented projects) and eclipse, which is simply shit. so in short, nothing really comes close
02:18<andrew>I really wish someone would extend vim to do it all though xD
02:18<shadow>good review, thanks ;0
02:19<CQ>as long as vim doesn't turn into emacs ; )
02:19*shadow stabs shift key covered in coffee
02:19<shadow>:)
02:19<shadow>emacs is fine if your keyboard layout is from 1972
02:20<andrew>also, phpstorm is the same intellij as used for android development (though they got google backing, so their version of the IDE is free)
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02:20<andrew>hahaha. I don't think something like emacs is necessary, it's just that the idea of an editor that lets you immerse yourself without thinking about it, that covers -all- the bases, would be wonderful
02:20<andrew>and vim only covers them up the requirements of pre-object projects, in my opinion
02:21<shadow>haven't used an IDE since... Borland in the '90s
02:21<shadow>not much of a coder either I'd say
02:22<andrew>shadow: well it's not really necessary unless if you're like, trying to figure out how an entire product is connected
02:23<shadow>you mean to say there's programmers trusted in this day and age to have a scope of a whole project? wow.
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02:23<shadow>good information anyhow thank you
02:24<andrew>shadow: well when everything is broken into objects, each piece is so small that it's hard to necessarily know what you need to modify (unless if the docs are good, which never happens), to get the functionality you want. so any assistance is good. as for the rest, idk :P
02:24<andrew>welcome :)
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02:25<andrew>CQ: honestly though, why php? it's a really inconsistent language that's only useful if you have to work within a project already written in it. javascript is where all the resources are going nowadays
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02:27<CQ>andrew: wordpress plugins...
02:27<dualbus>(without reading all the context, just the previous statement, I wonder how javascript is more "consistent" than PHP. Even simple stuff like the plus operator applied on different kinds of objects gives results that are not "consistent" to me)
02:28<dualbus>(the Wat talk from Destroy All Software is pretty concise in showing this. But anyways, off-topic. I just baited because it seemed like a pretty amusing claim)
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02:31<andrew>dualbus: it's trading one inconsistent language with another, but one runs in the browser, and the other does not, therefore has a bright future for it
02:31<dualbus>*shrugs*, no opinions on that matter. Just on the inconsistency thing.
02:31<andrew>haha sorry if I implied it was consistent
02:32<andrew>it's just, all the resources and the future of webapps is in it, and php is losing its market share
02:32<andrew>CQ: ah
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02:36<alumno>se puede hacer multiterminal con huayra linux?
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02:47<CQ>try #debian-es
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02:51<hola>how can i enable scrolling in debian wheezy using 2 fingers on trackpad ?
02:54<andrew>https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad
02:54<Sparhawk>nice one andrew. :)
02:54<Sparhawk>!beer andrew
02:54*dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for andrew
02:55<andrew>:D
02:56<Sparhawk>;)
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03:19<hola>andrew: how to enable touchpad on debian wheezy gnome ?
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03:39<hola>how to enable touchpad on debian wheezy gnome ?
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03:45<Sparhawk>RTFM hola
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03:56<awal>hoa, check in system settings ---> mouse and keyboard or something like that
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03:57<awal>hola, ^^
03:58<andrew>he already left. the answer was in the article I linked
03:58<awal>;)
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04:00<andrew>*shrugs* if people want stuff to work out of the box, they can learn to code and make it happen :P
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04:04<Sparhawk>.
04:05<andrew>current directory?
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05:23<spippi>please i must create a usb boot with debian xcfe
05:24<spippi>what's the name of program
05:24<spippi>?
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05:31<andrew>spippi: on windows, it's unetbootin
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05:32<spippi>i'm on debian xcfe
05:32<spippi>in ubuntu
05:32<musca>!usb install
05:32<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
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05:34<andrew>!install debian
05:34<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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05:35<andrew>!various cd1
05:35<dpkg>There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, one for XFCE and another for LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE CD-1 of Debian 7 "Wheezy", you'd grab -> debian-7.5.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>.
05:35<andrew>sorry, curious :)
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05:36<andrew>spippi: long story short-- you can use dd to copy the cd image to your flash drive and boot off of it
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05:36<musca>!hybrid iso
05:36<dpkg>Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>.
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05:37<andrew>so you would need to know its exact device (you can dmesg | tail after you plug it in to find out), such as /dev/sdb2, and then do -- dd if=(name of cd image.iso) of=/dev/(your usb drive)
05:37<andrew>*such as /dev/sdb
05:38<musca>yes, the whole device, not a partition, just "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync"
05:39<andrew>musca: yeah, bad place for a typo
05:40<andrew>are there advantages to cp over dd?
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05:47<spippi>cp debian.firmware-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb
05:47<spippi>it's correct
05:47<spippi>i have an error stat
05:48<spippi>impossible run stat
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05:50<wigust>Can anybody help? How to recover mysql database from backup of /var/lib/mysql
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06:01<grummund>Hi, what are the options for encrypted HDD with debian ?
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06:03*grummund already looking at a howto for truecrypt, just wondering if there are alternatives before i dive in.
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06:07<xiqsjvfy>grummund: if you only need to access the HDD from GNU/Linux, LUKS is a better option
06:08<xiqsjvfy>it is more integrated into the operating system than TrueCrypt
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06:09<grummund>xiqsjvfy: thanks for that
06:09<spippi>i have need install debian in dual boot
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06:10<spippi>i have only one big partition with win8.1
06:10<xiqsjvfy>!cryptsetup
06:10<dpkg>Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ . To access on Microsoft Windows systems, see http://freeotfe.org/ and <ext2read>.
06:10<spippi>how i do reduce the primary partition but not clean win
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06:11<TomasCZ>spippi, that is problem, last time I changed part. table, win7 with enc. on refuses to boot, and requires keys
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06:12<TomasCZ>spippi, in order to do what you want, you have to turn off encryption, then even in disk manager in windows(compmgmt.msc or this computer -> manage) as administrator it should offer you way to shrink it.
06:12<spippi>i don't understand
06:12<TomasCZ>spippi, after shrinking, and installing linux enable encryption again.
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06:13<TomasCZ>(oke, part table => last time I changed disk layout of space allocated to windows and other OS)
06:13<xiqsjvfy>TomasCZ: spippi didn't mention anything about crypto, that was grummund
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06:14<TomasCZ>xiqsjvfy, rats. you are correct.
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06:19<grummund>just a thought (while i'm still reading...) with block device encryption on a server, it will need a password on boot right? could be a problem for remote rebooting.
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06:26<xiqsjvfy>grummund: yes, although there are ways to work around that
06:26<xiqsjvfy>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Specialties#Remote_unlocking_of_the_root_.28or_other.29_partition
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06:29<andrew>@wigust http://www.debian-tutorials.com/mysql-commands-with-examples-for-beginners #8
06:29<andrew>@wigust mediawiki has a good tutorial on it too
06:33<wigust>andres, thanks, i'll try it. I think about that it's not enough just copy old /var/lib/mysql but I should # mysql_upgrade. I'm not sure...
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06:33<wigust>andres, and I also think about dump
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06:35<andres>wigust: Wrong name...
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06:37<andrew>andres: xD
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06:40<wigust>andres, pardon?
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06:40<wigust>andres, andres oh sorry :)
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06:49<andrew>@wigust xD
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06:53<vTOR>hi
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07:06<FakeBoost>Hello, is there any default directory to extract .deb packages to?
07:09<grummund>with LUKS would a typical use be to encrypt /home and leave / unencrypted?
07:10<babilen>FakeBoost: No, you can extract them whereever you want. (cf. dpkg(1))
07:10<grummund>... or, if / is to be encrypted how is the pass phrase prompted when it's mounted for at boot?
07:10<FakeBoost>thank yo babilen!
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07:11<babilen>FakeBoost: You are, probably, looking for "dpkg -x the.deb /path/to/where/you/want/to/extract/it"
07:12<xiqsjvfy>grummund: if / is encrypted, /boot must be a separate, unencrypted partition
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07:12<FakeBoost>If you say there's no default directory, i don't think so...What i'm trying to do is to install skype, and it's so hard for me...
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07:13<xiqsjvfy>it loads the kernel and asks for the pass phrase to unlock /
07:13<FakeBoost>I downloaded the .deb package, ran apt-get update, and then apt-get install skype and it doesnt install it.
07:13<FakeBoost>unable to locate package skype is the output
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07:14<FakeBoost>babilen
07:14<Ellie>wont dpkg -i then drag the file into the terminal work?
07:14<Ellie>wouldnt*
07:14<FakeBoost>for me Ellie?
07:14<Ellie>yeah
07:14<FakeBoost>I'll try that...
07:14<grummund>xiqsjvfy: thanks. so kernel itself can prompt for the pass phrase to mount / ?
07:15<grummund>anyway this is probably covered in the docs, i'll keep reading...
07:15<FakeBoost>I get an error, Ellie.
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07:16<xiqsjvfy>grummund: specifically, it's the dm-crypt kernel module which handles all of that
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07:17<grummund>i see
07:17<wigust>FakeBoost, after dpkg -i package.deb you also need to install dependencies apt-get -f install
07:18<FakeBoost>ok...
07:18<wigust>FakeBoost, of course do it with root
07:19<FakeBoost>0 upgraded...etc
07:19<FakeBoost>output from -f install
07:19<FakeBoost>wigust
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07:20<wigust>FakeBoost, now can you try start skype?
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07:21<FakeBoost>can't find skype on the apps menu
07:21<wigust>FakeBoost, try type in terminal skype
07:22<FakeBoost>command not found skype
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07:23<SynrG>!skype
07:23<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64>, <skype squeeze> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>.
07:23<wigust>FakeBoost, dpkg -i package.deb What error did it show?
07:24<FakeBoost>wigust...got
07:24<FakeBoost>it
07:24<FakeBoost>ellie helped me
07:24<FakeBoost>i didnt know that you could drag icons to the terminal
07:25<FakeBoost>it ran very well and skype is working!!
07:25<FakeBoost>thank to you too, wigust!
07:25<wigust>FakeBoost, yeah ;)
07:25<FakeBoost>So to round this up, what's the easy way to install software in debian?
07:26<FakeBoost>i know these steps: apt-get update, and then?
07:27<wakd>in iceweasel https://security.debian.org/ says "security.debian.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is only valid for the following names: debian.org, www.debian.org". Seems insecure ... how should I react?
07:28<wigust>FakeBoost, synaptic is a gui for apt, try it
07:29<Ellie>software center has some stuff apt-get install software-center
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07:29<FakeBoost>i had synaptic in ubuntu, now on debian i have "add/remove software" but it couldnt find skype...
07:30<FakeBoost>should i install synaptic?
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07:31<wigust>FakeBoost, because ubuntu has skype repository
07:31<FakeBoost>that's why i had to install this way...
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07:42<babilen>dpkg: tell FakeBoost about skype
07:42<babilen>FakeBoost: Just follow the instructions on the wiki
07:43<babilen>Ah, SynrG pointed that out already.
07:43<FakeBoost>it's not licensed, but i'm using it now...
07:43<babilen>FakeBoost: You might want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/apt.html
07:45<FakeBoost>ok
07:48<valdyn>wakd: http://security.debian.org/ redirects to www.debian.org/security, https://security.debian.org/ does not exist (no server listening on the https port)
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07:51<nbl>Hello =)
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07:55<wakd>valdyn, thanks I get it now. I need to browse to "http://security.debian.org/dists/" to see the view I wanted.
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07:58<nbl>I'm running on debian 7 wheezy and I would lilke use dzen2 with icons but I've a problem which I can't resolve. When I set my all icons only 6 can appear like I'm limit with the number of icons I can see, somebody has already met this problem ?
08:00<nbl>like I'm limited*
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08:02<samugc47>Hi all
08:03<samugc47>I would like to colaborate with debian and i am looking for someone to get me some information, can any help me? thanks
08:03<CQ>what kind of collaboration, what kind of information?
08:05<samugc47>I want with any package, i am now at the end of me degree of engineering informatic. I have experience with java, c/c++, php
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08:06<CQ>have a look at http://mentors.debian.net/
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08:07<samugc47>i have been subscribe now on this mailing list, what is the next step?
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08:09<CQ>read the first twolinks on that page, all the information is there. If you work on an existing package to fix bugs of maintain it, talk to those maintainers. else read the first two links
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08:12<samugc47>so, i have to choose a package and contact with the uploader to start?
08:12<CQ>https://www.debian.org/intro/help
08:13<CQ>figure out what you would like to do ...
08:13<CQ>you can always pick a package you are interested in, go into the BTS, and send in a patch for example
08:13<somiaj>samugc47: #debian-mentors may be a good place to ask. Have you read throught he debian matianers handbook yet?
08:14<somiaj>samugc47: one place to start is find a bug in the bts, fix it and send a patch. This way you don't really need a mentor and can get involved and let the current matainers just use your patches if they are good enough quality.
08:14<somiaj>samugc47: if you want a package to mataine, look here https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned
08:16<samugc47>ok ok, thanks u very much for the information, sorry i am spanish and not too good with english yet
08:16<CQ>there is also #debian-es
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08:17<samugc47>yes but there are not a lot of user
08:18<samugc47>only 26 at now and any online haha
08:19<samugc47>CQ and simuaj are u mantainers of any package?
08:19<CQ>no, I'm not
08:21<CQ>it's a sunday, try on a weekday late afternoon or evening
08:21<MrFrood>samugc47: you may want to try #debian-mentors
08:22<samugc47>okey i am going to join to this group
08:22<samugc47>thanks for all, we have the best community!
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08:39<whitebyte>how to enable touchpad on debian gnome ?
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08:41<wigust>whitebyte, https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad
08:42<wigust>whitebyte, On GNOME, click the system menu (top-right corner), select System Settings, then select "Mouse and Touchpad" (under Hardware).
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08:43<whitebyte>wigust: i not getting touchpad tab in mouse and touchpad settings
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08:46<wigust>whitebyte, apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
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08:48<wigust>whitebyte, should be a version in string Installed: 1.6.2-2
08:48<whitebyte>yes
08:49<whitebyte>apt-get policy gpointing-device-settings installed vesion is 1.5.1-6
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08:56<wigust>whitebyte, then I don't know, I think only config it in the cli
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08:58<whitebyte>wigust: config which file ?
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08:59<spippi>hi at all comunity
08:59<wigust>whitebyte, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf as wiki said
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09:12<spippi>please link of handbook of debian
09:13<themill>dpkg: tell spippi about debian-handbook
09:14<piper>spippi: apt-get install debian-handbook or http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/
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09:14<spippi>piper if i install i find in my languange and where?
09:15<piper>spippi: i don't have it installed, so i cant answer that question, themill might/probably knows that answer
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09:17<piper>spippi: but a quick look would tell me /usr/share/doc/debian-kernel-handbook
09:17<spippi>themill
09:17<spippi>help me
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09:17<somiaj>dpkg-reconfigure locales can set your default locale (along with generate any additional langauge loacles you need)
09:17<piper>spippi: that should read /usr/share/doc/debian-handbook
09:18<somiaj>oh you want the handbook in your language. hmm
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09:19<themill>no idea
09:19<themill>spippi: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/it-IT/stable/
09:20<spippi>thanks
09:20<spippi>but it's not possible download
09:20<samugc47>http://debian-handbook.info/get/
09:20<samugc47>??
09:21<samugc47>on other languages
09:21<wigust>spippi, debian-handbook.deb /usr/share/doc/debian-handbook/index.html
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09:21<samugc47>in the corner u have a link a think
09:23<spippi>wigust
09:23<spippi>please i don't understand
09:24<spippi>as use your info
09:24<samugc47>this is the html, but i think u want the epub?
09:24<samugc47>or pdf?
09:24<themill>http://debian-handbook.info/download/it-IT/stable/debian-handbook.epub
09:24<spippi>pdf
09:24<spippi>it's better
09:24<samugc47>download de epub and do the conversion if u want
09:24<spippi>ok
09:25<spippi>direct pdf it's not possible?
09:25<themill>no
09:25<spippi>ok
09:25<samugc47>sudo aptitude install calibre
09:26<samugc47>http://www.ubuntututorials.com/convert-epub-pdf-ubuntu/
09:26<spippi>thamk more
09:26<wigust>spippi, if you install apt-get install debian-handbook it will be an offline handbook, that you can open in firefox as a file with url /usr/share/doc/debian-handbook/index.html
09:26<spippi>thanks
09:26<spippi>ok
09:26<spippi>i understand
09:27<spippi>i have a question
09:27<spippi>i have iceweasel
09:27<spippi>but i don't love mozzilla
09:27<samugc47>to get firefox?
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09:27<spippi>what' do you think of chrome or chromium
09:27<spippi>it's better or not?
09:28<somiaj>I suggest chromium because it is included and provided by debian
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09:29<samugc47>but if u want mozilla, iceseweasel is a good client based on firefox
09:30<samugc47>i am using now chrome(sorry) and icedove(based on thundebird)
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09:32<samugc47>*iceweasel
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09:33<ananth123>there are many other browsers too... just google it... firefox and chrome(ium) are the 2 most popular
09:33<wigust>spippi, if you want all in one big box (flash, pdf, other crap) use chrome. If you don't use it, chromium is your choice
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09:33<spippi>i have a eepc
09:33<somiaj>smw: iceweasel is firefox, I woudlnt' say based on tehre. It is firefox.
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09:35<spippi>i want know if chrome or chromium it's more heavy respect iceseweasel
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09:36<somiaj>spippi: try and find out, I personally find chromium fast and fits my needs.
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09:37<spippi>difference between chrome and chromium
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09:39<wigust>spippi, if you watch video in web you can have some troubles with chromium
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09:42<somiaj>spippi: chromium is open source free software, passes the DSFG and is distributed by debian so it is easy to apt-get install
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09:42<spippi>ok
09:42<spippi>other quesion
09:42<somiaj>spippi: chrome is googles additions on top of chormium, has some non-free parts (googles brand, and various other things like flash is included, a pdf reader is included) and so forth
09:43<somiaj>you also have to get it from google and chrome is not supported by debian as a result.
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09:44<samugc47>also u ve midori
09:45<wigust>chrome is not supported by anybody, except google :)
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09:46<wigust>it's complete product
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09:46<samugc47>i think iceweasel is powerful than chrome!
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09:48<spippi>there is a notification for update of debian
09:48<spippi>i have a xcfe
09:48<spippi>de
09:49<samugc47>im pro xfce too
09:49<somiaj>samugc47: I think most of that comes from the firefox extensions, for a basic browser I find little difference (cept chromium is faster for me)
09:49<somiaj>spippi: I think I ran across this issue where it didnt' nesicarally work with xfce, but one second
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09:50<spippi>ok
09:50<somiaj>spippi: the package use to be update-notifier but I think it is getting more gnome specific.
09:50<spippi>thanks more at all
09:50<somiaj>on sid it is a transitional package, not sure if it still worked with xfce in wheezy or not
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09:57<spippi>as must do for update all package
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09:58<spippi>or see if it's present an update
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09:59<samugc47>sudo aptitude update/upgrade
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10:02<whitebyte>wigust, i created the synaptics.conf as said in docs. still it isn;t working. also i tried egrep -i ‘synap|alps|etps’ /proc/bus/input/devices in terminal. it says bash: alps: command not found
10:02<whitebyte>bash: $'etps\342\200\231': command not found
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10:05<petemc>dont use backticks as quotes
10:07<whitebyte>petmec, wigust, i used double quotes and now it gives nothing
10:07<samugc47>egrep -i "?synap|alps|etps?" /proc/bus/input/devices
10:07<samugc47>u try this?
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10:08<whitebyte>still nothing
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10:09<samugc47>mmm, sorry i dont know what is ur issue
10:09<samugc47>to detect the touchpad?
10:09<whitebyte>yes
10:09<samugc47>what is ur laptop?
10:09<whitebyte>dell vostro 2520
10:10<petn-randall>!ur
10:10<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a word meaning "from within". A german prefix for refering to something very old. Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For Debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
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10:12<samugc47>xinput --list
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10:12<whitebyte>samugc47, command not found
10:13<samugc47>sudo aptitude install xinput
10:14<whitebyte>No protocol specified
10:14<whitebyte>Unable to connect to X server
10:15<samugc47>installing xinput?
10:15<whitebyte>samugc47, installed xinput. ran xinput --list
10:15<samugc47>ah ok
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10:20<whitebyte>samugc47, any suggestions ?
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10:21<samugc47>im looking for u ve installed the alps driver?
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10:25<samugc47>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1887683&highlight=alps
10:27<whitebyte>samugc47, there is no alps driver for debian
10:27<samugc47>i see
10:27<samugc47>...
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10:29<whitebyte>samugc47, there is a tpconfig package in debian for Synaptics TouchPad and the ALPS Glidepad/Stickpointer, which is already installed.
10:33<samugc47>this might work
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10:33<samugc47>http://nwoki.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/multitouch-fix-for-alps-touchpad/
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10:34<harold>hello
10:34<samugc47>hello harold
10:34<harold>what is the topic today
10:34<lord_rob>/topic
10:35<samugc47>guys
10:35<samugc47>one question
10:35<samugc47>has any a mac with debian??
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10:36<harold>I will be back - unt
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10:36<lord_rob>!anyone
10:36<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
10:36<samugc47>sorry
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10:37<somiaj>samugc47: debian can be installed on mac hardware
10:38<somiaj>samugc47: no need to send me a message, keep your conversation in the room
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10:39<samugc47>i have now debian installed on mac, but i want to change my hd to a ssd
10:39<somiaj>samugc47: there are various ways to copy an install to a new hd.
10:39<samugc47>then, i dont know if its posible to install single boot because i dond find a refind-livecd or similar
10:39<somiaj>samugc47: the major issue is making the install bootable, other wise you can just copy the files over with cp -a
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10:40<samugc47>so i want to do a new installation without mac os
10:40<samugc47>the problem is uefi...
10:41<somiaj>debian wheezy installer supports uefi
10:41<somiaj>(it won't support secure boot so you'll have to turn that off)
10:41<somiaj>not sure if macs use it though
10:41<samugc47>i use jessie, but how to boot
10:41<samugc47>yeah
10:41<somiaj>you should still use the debian wheezy installer, install a wheezy base system then upgrade to jessie
10:42<samugc47>but how to boot livecd or intaller with the new ssd empty
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10:43<somiaj>I said use the debian wheezy installer (such as the netinstaller)
10:43<somiaj>the live images are not set up for efi boot last I checked
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10:43<samugc47>aah ok
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10:44<samugc47>so its posible to boot the netintaller with efi?
10:44<somiaj>yes
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10:44<somiaj>provided you can turn secure boot off (not sure if this is an issue on macs or not)
10:44<samugc47>aah good news, im thinking on intalling refit o similar to do it
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10:47<samugc47>people say i'm crazy installing debian on mac, but with it mac can flight
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11:00<spippi>there is an auto notification for update in xcfe?
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11:02<samugc47>u can install update-manager-gnome
11:02<bertira>dmg files
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11:27<spippi>mmmh
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11:27<spippi>but it's heavy
11:27<spippi>i have a xcfe
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11:33<somiaj>spippi: xfce use to use the gnome notifier, but it is now more dependent on gnome and not sure how well it works in xfce now, but there sin't one I have seen made specifically for xfce
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12:18<spippi>see you early
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12:40<brunoramos>Hello, I'm fixing a laptop that does not have a cdrom and I was trying to install windows before I install debian to make sure I can dual boot, but I'm having problems with the iso image I made from the original windows7 installation cd.
12:41<brunoramos>I used dd to create the iso and dd to copy it to an usb pendrive but it does not boot from the usb pendrive..
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12:41<brunoramos>I tried to run isohybrid on the iso but I get an error: isohybrid: windows7.iso: unexpected boot catalogue parameters
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12:42<somiaj>brunoramos: this is not the place for windows support. Myabe ##windows on irc.freenode.net can help you in how to write a windows iso to a usb
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12:43<brunoramos>my problem is mainly with the isohybrid utility... I used it on linux installers in the past without problem on my debian machine, but it is not working zith the iso I created.
12:43<brunoramos>somiaj, thank you. I'll try that.
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12:58<Guest10199>привет всем дебианщикам!
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12:59<babilen>privet
12:59<babilen>dpkg: ru
12:59<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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13:07<q__>hello, peoplE!
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13:13<centrx>!hello
13:13<dpkg>Hi, centrx!
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13:19<pd605077>Hi, I'm using Sid, I just updated, but my system does not boot anymore. Systemd is stuck on: A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interfaces.
13:19<pd605077>no getty (i'm using recovery mode)
13:20<somiaj>pd605077: should probabaly ask on #debian-next
13:21<pd605077>ok
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13:24<whitebyte>I was trying to enable scrolling on touchpad. But touchpad is detected as PS/2 generic mouse. How can i enable scrolling ?
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13:25<ixi>might need a newer kernel
13:25<ixi>especially if it's a newer laptop
13:26<whitebyte>its dell vostro 2520
13:26<ixi>and might be impossible, too, since some touchpad developers are braindead (alps, etc), and so is dell.
13:26<ixi>whitebyte pastebin output of lspci -nnk
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13:28<whitebyte>http://pastebin.com/R6EhXAL1
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13:36<whitebyte>ixi, http://pastebin.com/R6EhXAL1
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13:37<ixi>whitebyte xinput list
13:37<ixi>also lsusb
13:38<mazze>I have a head-crashed disk from a friend of mine which I try to rescue data from. I use (g)ddrescue to make a copy of the data but have a problem: I always can salvage a couple of hundrets of MiBs, but then the disk controller 'gives up':
13:38<whitebyte>ixi, http://pastebin.com/CCMWGVQc
13:39<mazze>E. g. I can without problems do a 'fdisk -l' of the device and get the partition table every time. After reading a couple of seconds, when disk does not work any more, fdisk -l does not give anything.
13:39<sney>so there's still data on the platter(s) but the mechanical parts are failing
13:40<mazze>Sometimes also the device kind of 'resets', waiting around 8 secs after which the device is removed and reassigned to the kernel again. ddrescue exits in such a case ...
13:40<ixi>whitebyte all I can suggest is to try a newer kernel
13:40<sney>yeah, but ddrescue isn't guaranteed to recover everything. sometimes you need to either move the platter into a donor drive or just take it to a professional place
13:40<ixi>to fix same problem with dell laptop I had to install a 3.14 kernel for example.
13:41<mazze>sney the point is that there are parts of the disks being bad blocks now, but touching them makes the disk unaccessible until powered down and up again. After that, I can read again around the bad blocks
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13:42<mazze>sney donor drive? you mean, I could disassemble the disk drive and put the platters in a compatible other disassembled, still working device?
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13:42<whitebyte>but that still doesn't guarantee the problem will be fixed
13:43<sney>yeah. as long as it's close enough in design, and you keep it a clean and static free environment, it's more likely to work than continuing to try and convince a broken drive to behave consistently
13:43<mazze>whitebyte I absolutely know that there is never a guarantee in such a case.
13:43<sney>and yeah it's only for the purpose of retrieving the data
13:44<sney>and there's a (relatively) high chance of messing up the platters when they're exposed to the outside world, so clean and static free is really not optional
13:44<mazze>doesn't sound like a lot of fun :(
13:45<sney>it's why there are professional data recovery shops with clean rooms
13:45<sney>(and it's one reason why we're moving away from moving parts drives in favour of flash memory)
13:46<mazze>Q: I knew that the disk did fall down, presumably during work, so there most probably occured a head crash. Some parts of the platters are defect for sure. Is it reasonable to believe that the controller itself is having a 'problem', meaning is not working as designed? Would not a different controller do the same with the same platters?
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13:47<sney>think about it this way, from a physics 101 perspective: if you had a little box full of metal parts drop onto a hard floor, would only 1 of those parts be damaged or all of them?
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13:48<sney>especially the parts that move back and forth and need to be precisely aligned to work normally...
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13:49<mazze>sney it just is that I did read the whole 320GiB disk from backwards (ddrescue supports that), and I could read for hours with 10MiB/s without any problems at all -- and I still can, as long as I don't read from the bad blocks ... makes me think that _that_ part (the disk controller) might not be damaged ... but I might be wrong ...
13:49<sney>yeah, it could theoretically be anything, every break is different. but it's not something you're going to solve in software
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13:50<mazze>sney of course you are right ...
13:52<mazze>but then: is there any possibility to 'repower' the disk with a command in a way that is similar to cutting off power and plugging it in again, so that the disk controller restarts?
13:52<sney>hdparm might have something
13:52<mazze>If I could script with that, I might be able to automate what I do have to do right now ...
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13:53<mazze>thanks for the hint. I already read (kind of) the full manpage, but I have to try around, which I did not yet ...
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14:00<canaima>hola
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14:06<rafael>hola
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14:12<rafael>hola quien quiere hablar con migo
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14:14<somiaj>!es
14:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:39<pippo>hi at all
14:39<pippo>i have a problem with scanner mfc-260c
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14:40<pippo>xsane return me a problem of argument not valid
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14:45<pippo>if i start xsane as root work all
14:47<somiaj>sounds like you need to be in some group to access the device, do you know what the device is called in /dev?
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14:57<pippo>mmh no
14:58<pippo>can you tell me as find it?
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15:11<pippo>solved thanks at all
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15:13<nemanja>hello
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15:13<Guest10211>hola
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15:14<nemanja>need advice regarding setting up local network debian repository
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15:15<babilen>dpkg: tell nemanja about own repo
15:15<babilen>dpkg: tell nemanja about reprepro
15:15<babilen>That should be a start, read the wiki
15:15<nemanja>I'd like to set things up in a way, that one host will be used as a Debian/OpenSUSE/CentOS repo at the sam etime
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15:16<babilen>nemanja: Ah, for your own packages or do you want to mirror/cache ?
15:17<nemanja>as mirrosr/cache for the start
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15:18<babilen>nemanja: Would it be fine to simply cache packages that you have installed so that other hosts on the network can access them too or would you prefer a periodically synced and complete mirror?
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15:19<nemanja>right now I cannot estimate the no of hosts
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15:20<nemanja>caching is not the option
15:20<babilen>nemanja: Well, there are essentially two approaches. The first is that you use a apt caching proxy which would only save the packages you downloaded and which would offer them to other hosts that have access to it (so you only have to download them once)
15:21<babilen>nemanja: The other option is to mirror certain parts of the official Debian repositories complete, which would also include a plethora of packages you will probably never install.
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15:22<nemanja>the idea is to have local repo in case some of the public mirrors in future give up with support for the distro i'm using
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15:23<babilen>nemanja: Okay, that would necessitate a complete mirror then: https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror
15:23<babilen>(also ask in #debian-mirror for best practices regarding that)
15:24<nemanja>thnx
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15:25<nemanja>as for using this host for centos/open suse local repo at the same time?
15:26<nemanja>not sure how to set this up?
15:26<babilen>I have no idea about their repositories, but it probably essentially boils down to simply having a httpd running that serves the data in the repositories in the expected scheme
15:26<babilen>nemanja: Ask them, both distros have support channels too that will be able to advise you on suitable tools for their mirrors
15:26<babilen>dpkg: tell nemanja -about mirror
15:26<babilen>dpkg: tell nemanja -about opensuse
15:26<babilen>dpkg: tell nemanja -about centos
15:26<babilen>nemanja: All the best! :)
15:27<nemanja>thnx a million :)
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15:42<ixi>!openbsd
15:42<dpkg>[openbsd] a secure Unix-like operating system (www.openbsd.org), forked from NetBSD, with emphasis on security and portability. Led by Theo de Raadt, a person nearly as beloved as Dan Bernstein. Two remote holes in the default install in over 10 years.
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16:33<jon__>does anyone know about bitorrent problems?
16:33<sney>!anyone
16:33<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
16:35<jon__>sorry. tried to download livecd and got "torrent not found" errors
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16:42<uvtc>Hi, #debian. How can I add ~/bin to my $PATH in a typical Debian Testing Xfce desktop? Looks like my display manager is lightdm. I see that my ~/.profile already tries to add ~/bin to my PATH, but
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16:43<uvtc>my understanding is that that only works for a console (non-graphical) login.
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16:43<uvtc>[This page](https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables) mentions /etc/gdm/Xsession, but I think that only applies if I'm using gdm.
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16:44<sney>your *dm probably has some kind of an env setup option. or, you can have it in both ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc, which I think will cover the bases
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16:45<uvtc>Looks like lightdm has an /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf file, but I don't see anything in there regarding env...
16:46<uvtc>Thanks tho, sney.
16:46<sney>there might be a 'man lightdm.conf' or so that describes options not present in the default file.
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16:47<uvtc>Hm. Only have a `man lightdm`.
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17:27<foreverska>I'm trying to install ffmpeg but it has dependency errors and I cant figure this one out: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libopenjpeg2_1.3+dfsg-4+squeeze2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
17:27<foreverska> libopenjpeg2:amd64 1.3+dfsg-4+squeeze2 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with libopenjpeg2 which has multiple installed instances
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17:29<andrew>foreverska: only here for a couple minutes--but can you pastebin your /etc/fstab?
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17:30<foreverska>http://pastebin.com/LMd2G2Fv
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17:32<andrew>oh my gosh I am out of it
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17:32<andrew>foreverska: sorry, I meant /etc/apt/sources.list
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17:33<andrew>I was just working on my fstab in the terminal ahahah
17:34<foreverska>lol thought it was a weird request
17:34<foreverska>http://pastebin.com/GDq21wQs
17:34<andrew>xD
17:34<andrew>wait, so you're a mix of both testing -and- unstable?
17:35<andrew>and squeeze...
17:35<andrew>=\ this was going to blow up one time or another
17:35<foreverska>from my understanding SID doesn't get security updates and I have no idea what that squeeze stuff is honestly
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17:36<andrew>well stable (which is wheezy, squeeze is old-stable) is where the most efforts go there, testing gets updates as well
17:36<andrew>so you have a very old system mixed with the testing system with the unstable (does break) system
17:37<andrew>and from your error, it looks like you have leftovers from when multi-arch was done for amd64 systems, because not everything was totally available in 64bit yet
17:37<foreverska>I'm dropping squeeze until I can figure out why it was there. But do I update the security to sid?
17:37<andrew>well let me get to my point aha ;)
17:37<sney>upgrade everything to testing/sid or reinstall
17:38<sney>otherwise you'll keep having "fun" with apt
17:38<andrew>this one error is not going to be the end of errors-- your best bet aside from a reinstall is to try to downgrade it all to testing, or upgrade it all to sid
17:38<andrew>sney: dammit!
17:38<andrew>:P
17:38<sney>ha
17:38<andrew>!beer snid
17:38*dpkg pours a pint of Green Flash IPA for snid
17:38<sney>good thing you typed my name wrong, that green flash probably tastes like acid
17:38<andrew>oops
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17:40<andrew>regardless-- foreverska it's really your choice, removing everything except the jessie or the sid-- beg someone on here to tell you how to remove the packages from the other architectures because I can't remember, and then try to do a dist-upgrade
17:40<andrew>foreverska: or just reinstall to a testing-only, and remember this lesson ;)
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17:42<foreverska>well yea I did that but it doesn't really fix: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:42<foreverska> libavcodec52 : Depends: libopenjpeg2 but it is not installable
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17:45<andrew>foreverska: try playing around in aptitude's gui for a bit, it might help you track down and remove things. but the only real way is a bit of bash scripting that strips all the packages you don't want with dpkg, and then a apt upgrade
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17:46<andrew>if you want out of this fast, reinstall. if you really really want to right the ship, that's the best I can point you (I did it once, but it was too long ago)
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17:49<foreverska>Hmm well I sudo apt-get -f remove sudo apt-get clean/update/upgrade and I pulled down the upgrades. Now ffmpeg nolonger has an install candidate
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17:51<andrew>foreverska: this is a dpkg job, I think there's too much mixing that's already happened for it to be fixed any other way. you have to get dpkg to list the stuff from the archs you don't want, remove them, and then upgrade. if you're wise you'll have an actual cd or other source for the version of debian you want, to be able to move to those pkgs without assistance of apt, because it will likely break during this process
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17:52<andrew>that's all I can say, good luck, research those utilities thoroughly, and don't mix debian releases--if you really need packages from one, really best to compile and make your own debs
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17:53<andrew>and if you haven't, now would be the time to back up ;p
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17:53<andrew>later!
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17:55<keep>oi,,..c4
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17:58<blawiz>is there a way of disabeling gtk3 fileselectors default option: "recently used"
17:58<blawiz>it sux
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18:08<Juaa>Holaaaa
18:08<Thetan>Hola
18:09<Juaa>Todo biieen??
18:09<Thetan>Si
18:10<Juaa>Ahh. Quien sos?
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18:10<Juaa>Ahh. Quien sos?
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18:12<hugg>On jessie, is it normal for `systemctl --user` to fail?
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18:16<ompaul>hugg: so you give it an option what command did you give it?
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18:17<ompaul>or did you get no answers?
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18:18<hugg>ompaul: if i give it options, i get the same error: Failed to issue method call: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1
18:18<ompaul>hugg: are you running it in a terminal?
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18:20<ompaul>hugg: I know of no reason for that to happen it works on my konsole
18:20<ompaul>try a different terminal for fun
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18:22<ompaul>hugg: I don;t know how many other channels you are in so I'll leave you to it - I want to sleep
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22:10<icantpinganything>hello
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22:10<icantpinganything>I can't ping anything...
22:11<icantpinganything>root@cust-209-105-232-38:~# ping google.com ping: unknown host google.com
22:11<icantpinganything>or download anything
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22:12<dvs>ping 8.8.8.8
22:12<icantpinganything>that pings
22:12<dvs>your nameserver is not working
22:13<icantpinganything>yes I messed up my dedi :(
22:13<icantpinganything>have no idea what i did, i was testing this ajenti software out and i messed something up
22:13<dvs>icantpinganything: put "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in your /etc/resolv.conf file
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22:14<acald3ron>google dns !
22:15<icantpinganything>lol that file was empty
22:15<SamB>acald3ron: can you remember the addresses for any other DNS servers?
22:15<dvs>that's bad!
22:15<shadow>4.2.2.2 and 8.8.8.8
22:15<icantpinganything>haha
22:15<SamB>that second one was already mentioned?
22:15<icantpinganything>yeah i'm suprised i haven't locked myself out completely
22:16<icantpinganything>nothing is in the file other then the 8.8.8.8 that i just put
22:16<shadow>SamB: you are aware of the obvious, just checking
22:16*shadow :)
22:16<dvs>icantpinganything: does it ping now?
22:16<icantpinganything>i can apt-get update now and ping :)
22:17<dvs>!beer me
22:17*dpkg deftly decants a fine Batch 50 GFAR for dvs
22:17<icantpinganything>thank you guys so much i've been back tracking my steps for the past 2 hours
22:17<icantpinganything>was close to having my dedi formated and just starting over
22:17<dvs>icantpinganything: you should find out what your local nameserver is.
22:18<icantpinganything>i haven't set one up, i think my hosting company must of set one up when they set up the dedi
22:18<icantpinganything>i've just been using the one from the company i bought the domain from
22:18<CowEggSeal>hi i need to develop a CVE into POC i will pay pm me if you want to discuss it
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22:24<iCANpingEverythingNOW><-going to go mess up my server again. following random tutorials google brings me to in order to attempt to set up multiple domains on my server...
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22:27<Nemis>Hey
22:27<Nemis>there's someone ?
22:27<Nemis>:)
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22:32<somiaj>Nemis: ask your qeustion
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22:34<Nemis>I've "forbidden" access on phpmyadmin
22:34<Nemis>on debian / apache2 / mysql / phpmyadmin
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22:35<Nemis>i've turn "Allow from all" on conf
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23:07<wigust>Nemis, is phpmyadmin page is loading or apache say "forbidden"?
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23:07<Nemis>apache say forbidden
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23:08<Nemis>i've solve the prob by creating an alias
23:08<Nemis>thanks :)
23:08<us`0gb>My DVD is supposedly in use, so it won't eject and won't burn. Any ideas on how to fix this?
23:09<acald3ron>i download clementine app from google play store so i can connect to my desktop computer but there ir a version problem, the app only support 1.2.1 and jessie is 1.2 !
23:09<somiaj>us`0gb: do you have it mounted? have you cd'd into a directy inside the mount or running any file form it?
23:11<us`0gb>somiaj: I don't know how to check to see if it's mounted, but if it is, it shouldn't be. I've done nothing with it besides put it in the drive and attempt a burn with Xfburn.
23:11<somiaj>us`0gb: well you can type mount or df to see if it is mounted,
23:11<somiaj>us`0gb: have you tried the command 'eject'
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23:13<us`0gb>somiaj: The DVD does not appear to be mounted and "eject" responds with "eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device".
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23:15<ananth123>us`0gb: use a pin and open the tray manually ??
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23:16<us`0gb>ananth123: The door is so small I don't see a way to do that, but I just ejected the drive itself. Assuming it hot plugs, perhaps it will work now. If not, I'll have to reboot anyway which should clear up any lock on it.
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---Logopened Sun May 11 23:24:21 2014
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23:34<us`0gb>It seems my system *really* does not like that DVD. Restarting and reinserting caused the same problem again. Running from my *other* Debian system, nothing gets locked up.
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23:36<awal>us`0gb, try inserting another cd/dvd and see what happen
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