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---Logopened Thu May 15 00:00:16 2014
00:00<anth__>centrx, I am copying from a green drive (~100MB/s read) to a zfs raidz array of 3x3tb wd red benchmarked at ~270MB/s write. With the command...
00:01<anth__>sudo rsync -avz --progress ../backup/4/ /mnt/rR
00:01<anth__>resulting in a copy speed of 25MB/s
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00:02<centrx>-z, --compress compress file data during the transfer
00:02<centrx>There's your answer, why are you compressing to copy between hard disks?
00:03<centrx>Use compression only if the CPU/compression speed is faster than the transfer speed (e.g. if transferring across networks)
00:04<anth__>I see.
00:05<centrx>It takes time to compress and to decompress (and some I/O0, so if that slow down isn't compensated for by much faster I/O because of smaller data size, then it makes it slower
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00:06<anth__>Instant results. :) centrx
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00:07<ncl>I'm pretty sure simple compression will be faster transfer than uncompressed, unless your cpu is that of a raspberry pi or your files are already compressed as something else
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00:07<ncl>or you happen to have a really good connection :>
00:08<centrx>it's not network, it's between hard drives on the same computer
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00:08<centrx>bus/HD speed apparently 100MB/s
00:08<centrx>dd if=/dev/urandom is 15MB/s on my machine, so that may be analogous to compressing a file
00:08<centrx>about 25MB/s on his machine for compression/decompression
00:10<anth__>Is there any overhead when rsyncing?
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00:11<anth__>And how can I improve the smb transfer over my gigabit network? Currently maxes at 60MB/s
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00:12<centrx>anth__, There's not much overhead, but I generally use cp to copy between filesystems on the same machine
00:12<centrx>anth__, Is other network traffic taking half the gigabet connection?
00:13<ncl>well, rsync does check for files existing on the other end so it can possibly continue where it left off
00:14<centrx>*
00:14<centrx>!tip ncl 10
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00:15<anth__>ncl both streams have been reset :). Total DISK READ: 220.30 M/s | Total DISK WRITE: 296.86 M/s iotop. centrx, there is no other traffic
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00:17<sleser>how do i add icons to the panel bar ?
00:18<sleser>or system tray . how ever you want to call it
00:18<centrx>Which desktop environment are you using?
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00:18<anth__>windows 7
00:18<centrx>!lol
00:18<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
00:18<centrx>Thanks dpkg!
00:18<centrx>dpkg, thanks
00:18<dpkg>centrx: no problem
00:19<centrx>dpkg, seriously
00:19<dpkg>centrx: I don't know, could you explain it?
00:21<anth__>until the day comes where i can use solidworks, adobe suite and office suite natively, linux de is not viable.
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00:24<somiaj>anth__: well crossover office tries to target using wine sepecifically for those kinds of software, but not sure wwere the bottle neck on your transer is
00:25<sleser>guys is the kde fuly functional on the 7.5 ?
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00:26<somiaj>sleser: what do you mean by that, yes debian provides what it consideres a full kde desktop enviroment
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00:27<sleser>i cant get the icons i add to the tray . working
00:27<sleser>it keeps creating a file in the directory of the app im trying to link and the file name is insane with symbols
00:28<sleser>and runing the icon from the shorcut at the task. dosnt open the app
00:28<sleser>and basicaly alot of krazy things hapens like. things disapearing
00:28<somiaj>sleser: I can see if I can reporduce the error, let me boot up my kde vm, what icons or how are you trying to add them to the tray?
00:28<sleser>drag drop with mouse how els
00:29<somiaj>sleser: well icons from what? say a short cut via the file manager? Also that does sound like you have something misconfigured. Have you tried to mix anything (installing non wheezy software on your machine), or maybe try to create a new user and see if if you can reproduce it with a fresh config
00:30<sleser>a regular icon . of for instance mirc.exe or . a simple notepad icon
00:30<sleser>it keeps creating a file caled. �6v��%11v%17�Qv��%11v%17�%0Dv��%11v.�%0Dv��%11v��4v��%11v%0E�%08v��%11v��%10v��%11v%17�%0Cv%18�%11v%0E�Tv��%11v%17v��%11v Rich��%11v PEL%01%04 WO�H�%0F%01%0B%01%07,%1F%0C%15��%1D%10@%1F@%10%02%04%04.rdata�5%02@%1F6%020%1F@@.data��
00:32<somiaj>now I don't follow you, you are talking about windows apps there.
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00:32<sleser>how about a simple notepad ?
00:32<sleser>it opens if i go to the directory and open it . but not of the system tray link
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00:34<sleser>tried placing things from menue to , panel that works.
00:35<somiaj>well so far on my vm dragging and droping images to the pannel and a folder as a shelf works just fine. But I still don't know what you mean by a 'simple notepad'
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00:35<sleser>a txt file
00:36<sleser>i had windows files and txt files on linux mint panel it worked. i cant get it to do the same thing on debian
00:36<sleser>not sure why
00:37<sleser>the only thing works if i take something out of the menue . and drop it to the panel. ive already taken things i need from menue now id like to add things that located elswhere
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00:37<sleser>and place thouse on to panel. for shorcut
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00:38<arond>hi I accidentally deleted the root password (just intended to disable) with "passwd -d root" and now I can't sudo
00:39<arond>how do I get my root account back?
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00:39<somiaj>arond: was your normal user set up for sudo privialages?
00:40<arond>I don't think so, I had to enter the password any time I did sudo
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00:40<arond>by the password I meant the root password
00:40<somiaj>sleser: well I was able to drag a .txt file and create a note just fine, Is this a fresh install or something that just started happening.
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00:40<somiaj>arond: if you sudo as a normal user, you enter int hat normal users password
00:40<sleser>i have a fresh install
00:40<somiaj>arond: did you configure or add any users to the sudo group, 'grep sudo /etc/group'
00:42<somiaj>sleser: don't think I can be of much help, I don't use kde enough to know why it wouldnt' be working. but I was able to nicely add a note to my pannel
00:42<arond>ok it looks like my user shows up under /etc/group yes
00:42<arond>in the sudo group
00:42<sleser>can i show u what i mean ?
00:42<somiaj>arond: just become that user, run sudo, 'sudo passwd root', enter in that users password and reset your root password.
00:43<somiaj>sleser: if you want to share a sceen shot you can, maybe someone else will have some advise
00:43<sleser>yeh where can i pastebin a jpg at ?
00:44<somiaj>sleser: I don't know many image pasbins except imjur (I thinkt hat is it)
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00:44<arond>somaiaj: I get the promp [sudo] password for root: and entering my password does not appear to work
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00:45<somiaj>arond: intersting I don't think I've ever seen sudo configured to ask for roots password.
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00:45<somiaj>arond: well if you boot up of a live system (or manually force init to be /bin/sh) you can get a root login and fix the password
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00:47<sleser>http://picpaste.com/snapshot1-6ylSD8UG.png
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00:47<sleser>look at the panel . thats what im trying to do
00:47<arond>somiaj: from a live cd I can run passwd root? how does it know which password file to use?
00:47<sleser>i want to like add everything i need on the panel just like in the foto
00:48<somiaj>arond: just chroot into your install, you will be considered root and in yoru actuall install so it will work.
00:48<arond>somaiaj: thank you I'll try that
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00:49<arond>somiaj: my bad I meant somiaj
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00:50<somiaj>sleser: well I'm able to drag txt files, icons and the likes onto my bar in my test vm, so again not sure what isn't working, but when you start mentiong things like mirc.exe, and linux mint it makes me think you try to mix things you shouldn't
00:50<somiaj>sleser: Im' just courious, want to put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net for your debian install
00:50<somiaj>arond: som<tab> (:
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00:50<sleser>not mixing things . just switching from mint to debian . and id like to have the same settup
00:51<sleser>and like every1 has a freedom of using what ever app t hey used to . i like to use mirc it should work anyhow only if the panel made it work
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00:52<somiaj>sleser: you may encounter a kde version differences or additional non-free plugins that aren't included in debian on a mint install, but if you can identify what it is you can get the same effect
00:52<somiaj>sleser: what makes you think a windows binary mirc.exe is going to run on a linux box with out wine or additional software?
00:52<sleser>and a text file . was just an example cause u mentioned windows apps . even then i tryed a simple jpg file . for testing the result is the same . shorcuts arent working of the panel. they work only if i take s omething out of the menue and drop it on the panel that works.
00:53<somiaj>sleser: I'm not worried if you like to use mirc, I'm worried that you are trying to put a short cut to an .exe file that is not designed to run on a linux install.
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00:53<sleser>i have wine instaled
00:53<sleser>i have mirc runing off t he desktop shorcut . but tray still wont do it
00:53<somiaj>sleser: well I can test more things< iwa s able to take the a text file and a .jpg from the dolphin file manager and drop them on my pannel.
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00:54<sleser>ok lets forget the exe
00:54<sleser>how abot a jpg whitch located in home/documents
00:54<somiaj>sleser: so you want to run a launcher script, I'll make one and see if it works. (:
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00:54<somiaj>sleser: I tested that, and it then opened the jpg with gwenview
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00:54<sleser>it isnt doing i not making things up
00:56<somiaj>sleser: I belive you, that is why I'm trying to help. I'm just saying in my test it works fine here. I just tested a simple .sh script that launched iceweasle, and if I drag and drop that from the dolhpin file manager it works just fine in the pannel.
00:56<sleser>yeh i also view with gwenview
00:56<somiaj>sleser: are you using the dolphin filemanager or dragging and dropping from some other application
00:56<sleser>icewesel will work
00:57<sleser>yes
00:57<somiaj>sleser: well make a launcher for mirc. Make a simple bash script, that will launch mirc with wine, then copy that over. Again I'm unsure how much mint automates this or if it is a kde thing to make an apporpriate launcher
00:57<sleser>i bet if u remove konqueror . ur panel all the stuff on it will go mesed up .
00:58<sleser>thats how i noticed its not funcktioning rite...
00:58<somiaj>so remove konqueror from my pannel, alrigthy
00:58<somiaj>actually konquor isn't on my pannel as a default
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00:58<sleser>now try to add so mething to ur panel and u wont be able to place it where u want it itll only let u place it at the rite where the clock is and nowhere els
00:59<sleser>um yeh lets try the luncher
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00:59<sleser>we can try the jpg or the txt sins u dont like the exe apps
01:00<MQDUCK>can anybody tell me if there's a locale i can set LC_TIME to that uses a 24 hour clock?
01:00<somiaj>sleser: I'm not getting that at all, you have done something with your configure. If you are not mixing any unofficial packages that could mess this up, it might be your user config, try to make a new user and test there.
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01:00<somiaj>MQDUCK: I see an xy problem here, where do you want to see this 24 hour clock?
01:01<sleser>can u guide m e to make the new user and to wipe the old user ?
01:01<somiaj>sleser: as root type 'adduser username'
01:01<somiaj>sleser: answer the questions, give him a password. You may want to add him to some groups
01:01<MQDUCK>somiaj: 'date' command
01:02<somiaj>sleser: type 'groups' see which groups you are in and decide which are for the new user, 'adduser username group' and add the user to each group, then login as that user, it will generate a new set of default kde configs
01:02<jm_>MQDUCK: even the basic C/POSIX locale does that
01:02<somiaj>MQDUCK: then configure date to output the time you want to.
01:02<MQDUCK>alright, thanks
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01:07<alumno>BRIAN RUIZ
01:07<sleser>how do i remove the old user ?
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01:09<jm_>man deluser (SEE ALSO section of man pages is often very useful, in this case you'd find it in the adduser man page)
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01:16<sleser>it didnt work
01:16<sleser>the same problem. with even the new user
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01:23<fran>hola
01:23<somiaj>!es
01:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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01:24<Guest10553>jejeje
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01:26<ana_>opps :P
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02:18<danijoo_>should I run a webserver benchmark from localhost or remote?
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02:20<rjsalts>danijoo_: the network stack will be slightly more efficient through loopback, using another computer on your network would be closer to a real world scenario slightly
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02:21<rjsalts>danijoo_: but still not the greatest test of performance
02:21<danijoo_>problem is I dont have another computer on the same network :/ I can only choose between local and testing over the internet (which might lead into very bad results due to ping/host-bandwidth-limitatins)
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02:21<danijoo_>at least thats my guess because the benchmark is a lot worse from remote
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02:22<rjsalts>danijoo_: sorry, probably more accurate to say not an accurate reflection of the problems you'll experience with internet connected traffic
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05:43<marko>good day
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07:08<zhangwenjie>debian
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07:08<mello_>hi
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07:10<mello_>i have a xonar dgx soundcard and read onli that it will be supported with kernel 3.5, does anyone know anything about this? i got the sound working but the mic still dosent work.
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07:10<petn-randall>mello_: Which kernel are you running?
07:10<jm_>is that usb?
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07:11<mello_>jm_: no
07:11<jm_>mello_: what's its PCI ID? lspci -nn
07:11<mello_>petn-randall: currently 3.2
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07:16<mello_>jm_: im sorry i cant get that information right now as im not next to my pc
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07:18<jm_>mello_: ok when you do you can then do (I have used my ID which is for on-board sound) /msg dpkg judd pciid 8086:3b56
07:18<petn-randall>mello_: Ok, get back to us if you can provide that data then.
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07:18<RainbowTiger>Hey
07:19<petn-randall>Hi RainbowTiger
07:19<jm_>I only find xonar dx or dg but not dgx
07:20<RainbowTiger>I have a little problem with my Debian 7.5 amd64 Virtual machine (using VirtualBox). I installed all the locales for my language (de_DE, de_DE.UTF-8 and de_DE@euro, default = de_DE.UTF-8). But I son't see some extra symbols like borders. I'll send you a screen shot for better understanding.
07:21<RainbowTiger>http://www.img-load.de/images-i1705771bohbv9.png
07:21<RainbowTiger>How can I see the border lines?
07:21<RainbowTiger>I think I installed all correct locales ...
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07:23<RainbowTiger>It works on SSH, but not in the local tty console
07:23<jm_>RainbowTiger: perhaps compare LANG and TERM settings for both
07:24<RainbowTiger>jm_: Hm? What do you mean?
07:24<jm_>RainbowTiger: echo LANG $LANG TERM $TERM
07:24<mello_>will do that, thanks alot for now, have a nice day/night until next time
07:24<RainbowTiger>LANG de_DE.UTF-8 TERM linux
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07:25<jm_>for both?
07:25<RainbowTiger>"both"?
07:25<jm_>local and ssh, what else?
07:25<RainbowTiger>Both have the same values
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07:26<jm_>and you use the same terminal for both too?
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07:26<RainbowTiger>It seems so
07:26<RainbowTiger>I only want to see the border and other symbols in the local tty console
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07:28<jm_>is that links?
07:28<RainbowTiger>Yes
07:28<RainbowTiger>elinks
07:29<jm_>are Setup -> Terminal options the same on both?
07:29<RainbowTiger>I'll check it, moment please
07:29<RainbowTiger>No
07:30<jm_>so try setting it the same way then
07:30<RainbowTiger>I see the border correctly on SSH, but not in my local console
07:30<jm_>for me vt100 sets it correctly
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07:30<RainbowTiger>I have more than one user, and I don't want to tell him "set up the terminal yourself to see borders" ...
07:30<bhuddah>you need to do that anyways though.
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07:31<jm_>/etc/elinks/elinks.conf to the rescue?
07:31<RainbowTiger>Can i set VT 100 frames global?
07:32<RainbowTiger>WHat do i need to type in? ...
07:32<RainbowTiger>*What
07:33<jm_>as user set it to vt100 and check ~/.elinks/elinks.conf
07:33<RainbowTiger>Okay
07:35<RainbowTiger>Okay, it works
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07:36<RainbowTiger>Thank you
07:36<jm_>no problem
07:37<RainbowTiger>And last and simple question: The dot-templates are located in /usr/skel/* ?
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07:37<RainbowTiger>Fotget it, it's in 7etc/skel
07:37<RainbowTiger>;)
07:38<jm_>yeah /etc
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07:41<RainbowTiger>Okay, thank you very much, have a nice day ;)
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08:36<avtonick>Ïðèâåò âñåì. Ïðè âûïîëíåíèè apt-get build-dep linux-latest ïîëó÷àþ ñîîáùåíèå ÷òî ëèíóêñ-support-3.14-0.bpo.1 íå íàéäåí.  ðåïîçèòàðèÿõ åñòü òîëüêî
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08:36<avtonick>linux-support-3.14-0.bpo.1_3.14.4-1~bpo70+1_all.deb. Ïîìîãèòå ïîæàëóéñòà, êàê ýòî ïîáåäèòü?
08:36<avtonick>Hello everyone. When apt-get build-dep linux-latest get the message that linux-support-3.14-0.bpo.1 not found. In repositories only
08:36<avtonick>linux-support-3.14-0.bpo.1_3.14.4-1 ~ bpo70 +1 _all.deb. Help please, how to win it?
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08:42<petn-randall>!tell avtonick -about bat
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08:42<petn-randall>Hi avtonick, can you provide the data dpkg asked you for?
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08:47<avtonick>petn-randall, Thank you, I realized what the problem was - depending. Put all packages and it worked.
08:48<petn-randall>avtonick: Sorry, I didn't understand what you meant. But if it's fixed, we're happy. :)
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08:57<zybil>hi
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08:59<userok>Guys, how to insyall debian from /boot partition ?
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09:02<userok>Guys, how to install debian from /boot partition ? Which files requires ?
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09:04<userok>Seems like manual too old.
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09:08<petn-randall>Seems like somebody didn't understand IRC.
09:09<adam_>hi, i just installed debian on my laptop, and 2 things have happend, first gnome 3 show the old interface, and it wont find my second monitor, i have a hdmi monitor connected and the laptop monitor closeed down, and i have a second monitor connected with vga, and it wont find my vga monitor, i used ubuntu before and it found all my moniotrs right away
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09:10<zybil>how to batch convert all files (mp3,flac,wav,aiff,ogg,aac) in a folder from soundfile.mp3 to soundfile .mp3.wav in 48khz 16bit (915 files)
09:10<zybil>soundconverter fails i dunno why
09:10<zybil>i tried both converting to flac and converting to wav
09:11<ckoch786>I ran out of disk space while installing a package, which caused the installation to fail. When attempting to purge the said package I get the following message "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
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09:11<devil>ckoch786: I would do that :)
09:11<ckoch786>I have removed as much stuff as I can, even cleaning up the backup logs but I do not have enough space
09:11<ckoch786>running the said command fails because I am out of space
09:12<ckoch786>devil^
09:12<devil>well, that is not a prob we can solve
09:12<devil>did you run apt-get clean?
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09:14<ckoch786>thanks, I think that will give me enough space to recover
09:14<devil>adam_: did you try xrandr or arandr?
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09:15<devil>no idea if gnome has it's own tool
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09:15<adam_>devil: no
09:15<adam_>devil: is that the only way to get it to work?
09:15<devil>the only one I know of
09:15<devil>and the common one
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09:16<blast007>adam_: what graphics chipset(s) are in that laptop?
09:16<adam_>blast007: Intel ® HD Graphics 4400
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09:18<blast007>you may need some backported packages (kernel and maybe others) to support that as it's pretty new
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09:19<adam_>thought that if ubuntu finds it debian would have as welll
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09:20<blast007>Ubuntu probably already had the newer packages as they base it off Debian Testing, not Debian Stable, iirc.
09:20<devil>adam_: debian stable is older than ubuntu current release
09:20<adam_>gonna change my source list to testing and do a sdist upgrade to see if it fixes it
09:21<blast007>or just backport the right packages from wheezy-backports..
09:21<blast007>s/just backport/just install/
09:21<adam_>blast007: u think if i change to testing it will fix it, or would i need to do the backport thingy?
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09:23<adam_>ah the backports are packages taken form testing
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09:25<adam_>blast007: is it because off my graphics, that gnome 3 is showing the old interface?
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09:50<zybil>which command can compare the files of two folders including ~1000 files and tell me which files that are in A are missing in B?
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09:57<petn-randall>zybil: 'rsync' with the --dry-run option.
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09:58<zybil>petn-randall: I want to see which of the 1000 files in folder A weren't re-encoded into folder B. so like sound001.mp3 (A) to sound001.mp3.wav (B)
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09:58<zybil> how would that work?
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09:59<petn-randall>zybil: Check the 'man rsync', you want to run something like 'rsync -av folder_a/ folder_b/ --dry-run'.
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10:07<marco_>ciao
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10:07<marco_>!list
10:07<dpkg>marco_: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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10:13<zybil>sorry petn-randall but I can't find the option to compare files which have different extensions
10:13<zybil>I got 1000 files (wav,aac,mp3,aiff,flac) in folder A and I got most of them re-encoded to flac-format in folder B to i.e. "sound.wav.flac". All I wanna find out which files of A are missing in B because they couldn't be re-encoded.
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10:17<petn-randall>zybil: Oh, now I get it, they're different files. Guess you'll have to write a bash script to do that, there's no straight-forward tool to do that.
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10:18<zybil>alright petn-randall
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10:37<zybil>petn-randall: I'm not able to do that
10:37<zybil>are you?
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10:39<ckoch786>looking at my /var/log/apt/history.log is there a way to undo a complete install of a package and all its dependencies?
10:40<ckoch786>http://pastebin.com/yrVEgn5P
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10:48<ckoch786>n
10:48<ckoch786>nm
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10:49<babilen>ckoch786: "apt-get --purge autoremove eclipse"
10:49<ckoch786>babilen, thanks
10:50<babilen>(that's a bit undocumented, but works)
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10:56<ckoch786>I will try it next time. I ended up just parsing out the packages from the history.log because eclipse was not actually installed because I ran out of space. :)
10:56<ckoch786>babilen, ^
10:56<babilen>fair enough
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11:07<zathras>Hi. I want to install nsca and nsca-ng on the same server. However both packages depend on their client packages. These client packages conflicr. I do not really need one of these client packages. Can I apt-get install force somehow nsca without installing nsca-client ?
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11:20<jesse-bob>how would one assign a shortcut to a certain keyboard key? Clarification: I have an additional keyboard plugged into my laptop (don't like the feel of leaning forward while I'm typing). It has no keys for play, pause, forward, or back. I would like to assign shortcut keys for those so I may use my additional keyboard to achieve the same effect. Thanks
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11:21<jesse-bob>i don't want to change the default keys either. I just want to make additional ones.
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11:22<mtn>jesse-bob: most desktops have a settings area and a keyboard or shortcuts settings that can be used to create shortcuts
11:23<nbl>hello world !
11:24<jesse-bob>I'm aware of that but I don't know the commands to issue for the keys I'm wanting to add.
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11:24<mtn>jesse-bob: when I need info like that, I go ask a search engine for the proper commands
11:24<nbl>jesse-bob: what is your desktop environment ?
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11:25<jesse-bob>gnome3.
11:27<jesse-bob>I don't mind using a search engine mtn I'm just having trouble finding the correct phrase to use while searching.
11:27<nbl>jesse-bob: ok thank you and what do you want ? Create a specific shortcut ?
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11:28<jesse-bob>a shortcut for the next, play, and back keys (can't replace the originals). Have an additional keyboard plugged in so I don't have to stretch over my laptop.
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11:34<nbl>jesse-bob: ok it's a little complicated
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11:34<jesse-bob>That's fine with me. I'm looking into keypress simulation through other programs right now.
11:35<zybil>petn-randall: it was as easy as this: https://gist.github.com/havenwood/8d36bafac53a52cbbb40
11:36<zathras>why does "apt-get install --no-install-recommends nsca" ignore my whish to NOT install dependency nsca-client ?
11:36<zathras>*wish
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11:37<retrospectacus>zathras: it is a depends, not a recommends
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11:38<zathras>retrospectacus, ok, but what will be the alternative? I know it sounds silly but I think I really do not need nsca-client
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11:41<zathras>hmm. download and then dpkg --force-all -i did the trick. Still a bit nasty of course :P
11:42<retrospectacus>next time you use apt it will probably want to fix that
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11:43<retrospectacus>zathras: I guess you could recompile the nsca deb to not depend on nsca-client
11:44<zathras>yes, I am affraid of that and yes I think I should. Currently I will continue as a POC to see if it does what it needs to and then I will try to turn it into a proper install
11:44<zathras>thanks
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11:46<retrospectacus>see <package recompile>, edit debian/control and add ~zathras to the name, recompile and install and use <hold> or <pinning> to keep that version
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11:47<pietro>ciao
11:47<pietro>!list
11:47<dpkg>pietro: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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12:20<stripe>hi all, installed wheezy via a usb drive, trying to install the non free amd driver from the non free repo, and get asked to install the CD, the machine does not have a cd drive, and it will not accept the usb device it was installed from,any ideas on a workaround?
12:22<SamB>stripe: remove the offending apt-cdrom junk from sources.list ?
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12:24<SamB>(That's what I did when I decided I'd rather put up with waiting for everything to download at dialup speeds than continue to act as a CD caddy ...)
12:24<stripe> SamB great idea thanks
12:25<synrst>i've rebuilt a package from source, but the change isn't reflected in the resulting .deb ... how would you troubleshoot a build issue like that? the build dirs under debian/* do reference my changed file/etc. so it seems that the change was included, but the deployed bin's don't reflect the change i made.
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12:26<somiaj>synrst: what change are you trying to make? Are you chainging a ./configure option?
12:26<stripe>SamB, worked a treat thanks :)
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12:27<synrst>somiaj; no, i'm changing a source file in apache2, ap_release.h
12:27<synrst>modifying some strings for a custom Server: HTTP header, pretty simple
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12:28<synrst>I've made this change before, just never the Debian way, trying to do things properly on this server :>
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12:28<somiaj>synrst: do you see a directory debian/patches filled with various debian patches? I belive during the build process the original source might be reextracted and then the patches are applied to it before the build. Did the changes in the file you modified get rest?
12:29<sleser>is there a usb stick formater tool for debian ?
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12:29<SamB>(yes, it was a **long** time ago that I decided I didn't want to be a CD caddy)
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12:29<somiaj>sleser: what do you mean? a usb drive is just like any other drive, parttion it with a partiton tool, and make filesystems with mkfs
12:29<SamB>sleser: how do you want to format it?
12:29<synrst>somiaj; ah, that's a good point, ok... i'll check on that
12:29<SamB>sleser: FAT?
12:29<sleser>fat
12:30<sleser>i use to have a usb formater tool in another linux . cant find the same one for debian
12:30<SamB>sleser: see the mkdosfs(8) manpage
12:30<SamB>"man mkdosfs"
12:30<SamB>or did you want a GUI
12:30<synrst>somiaj; no, i don't see that any of these patches modify this particular file.
12:30<sleser>id like the one with a interface
12:30<somiaj>sleser: there may be gui's that do this, but they will be a front end ot mkfs.vfat or mkdosfs as suggested.
12:31<somiaj>synrst: I mean did the original source get extracted as a 'clean' option before applying those patches, i.e. did the change you made get reverted in the file to its original form?
12:31<SamB>... how does one tell if Windows expects a given flashdrive to have partitions?
12:31<somiaj>synrst: I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but you may have to make your change a patch so it gets applied by the patching tools (done with quilt I belive)
12:32<somiaj>SamB: windows is annoying, most flash drives have some hardware bit that says 'i'm a removable drive' which windows will only ever look at partition one
12:32<SamB>ah
12:32<somiaj>SamB: I had a thumb drive with two partitions and windows refused to see the second because of htis.
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12:32<SamB>somiaj: yeah, I've heard of such a thing
12:33<somiaj>I found some hack you can change that bit on the hardware of the actual drive, but I didn't want to mess with it
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12:33<SamB>somiaj: but it doesn't go crazy because of the partition table itself?
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12:34<SamB>in which case, gparted can probably be used to format the flashdrive?
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12:34<somiaj>SamB: nope, it just only ever let me see the first partition. I tried to look at the disk in the disk manager, I don't rember what it actually reported as, but yea I think it just ignores the parttion table, and assumes the drive is the size of the first partition.
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12:35<somiaj>yea just make sure it is /dev/sdc1, and put a dosfs on it, works just fine here.
12:35<somiaj>I gess /dev/sdX1 where sdX is the usb device
12:35<SamB>yeah
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12:36<SamB>some people might have more than 1 hard drive + 1 optical drive ;-)
12:36<synrst>somiaj; ah ok, looks like i should be using quilt with this source, i'll give that a try, thanks!
12:36<SamB>or *gasp* might have two USB drives plugged in at once!
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12:37<somiaj>synrst: so that is what was happening, during the build the .orig source was extracted overwriting your changes? and then applying the patches?
12:38<somiaj>SamB: yea I haven't found a good way to say /dev/sdX, I should probabaly stick to that, because /dev/sd? would be dangerous if it was written into a command. (:
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12:39<SamB>(does Apache really not have directives to override the Server: header ... ?)
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12:40<somiaj>SamB: not sure, didn't really pay attention to the modifications he was making, but on how to make them. (:
12:41<SamB>synrst: how did you try to build it?
12:41<synrst>somiaj; well, i don't think so, because i see my change in the build directory of each target for this source. i would expect if it was patched my changes would be gone.
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12:41<somiaj>but it does seem there is a mod_headers, will that not do what you want synrst
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12:42<koollman>it won't. apache doesn't want the Server: header to be overriden. you can set it to be minimal, though
12:42<somiaj>synrst: hmm, yea you would think it was using that source so the changes should be there. the quilt/patches is the standard way to do it, but I'm a bit fuzzy if you can just modify the source directly without patches or not.
12:43<synrst>yeah... but i kind of wanted to use this as an excuse to learn how to do Debian packages lol
12:43<koollman>it's a good excuse :)
12:43<somiaj>synrst: #debian-mentors will have more experience than I at this, I'm fairly fuzzy as I have only done it a few times and nothing that major
12:44<koollman>synrst: have a look at the existing apache2 debian package, and the way custom patches are added to the sources
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12:44<SamB>somiaj: if it's a "3.0 (quilt)" package, you can't
12:46<koollman>synrst: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingAPackage#Edit_the_source_code (read the beginning of the page too, but this is what you want to do)
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12:49<SamB>synrst: so anyway, I think what you want to do is (a) make your changes (b) run "dch -lsynrst" and document your changes (make sure $EDITOR is set appropriately though) (c) run "dpkg-buildpackage", andm wait for it to fail ...
12:49<SamB>s/andm/and/
12:49<SamB>anyway, it should fail and tell you about a patch file it made in /tmp
12:50<SamB>then I think you can just use "quilt import" to add that to the package
12:50<koollman>it's really all in the previous link. with the tools to handle patches, including quilt ones
12:51<SamB>and to do it *really* properly, you'd edit the header of the patch at some point
12:51<SamB>which reminds me I should try and track down what doko said about this one gdb patch when he sent it upstream ...
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12:54<koollman>SamB: dpatch-edit-patch does the edition, iirc
12:55<SamB>oh, is this source format 1.0?
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12:59<synrst>yeah, i think i'll try doing the changes with quilt just to learn that process, it seems like the preferred method anyway. and i'll check out #debian-mentors as well if it still doesnt work
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13:06<synrst>well, quilt is easy :)
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13:21<acald3ron>what about debiancoin ? ;)
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13:51<Brigo>i have an issue with a disk. When the transmission is hight it just hangs and system must to reset connection, with data lost and filesystem corruption problems produced. The smartctl say that there is no problems with disk so i wonder if the problems is the disk or the motheboard ... any clue here?
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13:53<rommy>hey I have a question about process startup order. I am trying to start a process which depends on mysql, but get it to start after mysql.
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13:54<rommy>i'm not having much luck. I see in the init scripts there is a Required-Start: directive, where I have $remote_fs $syslog $mysql
13:54<rommy>If I have that it is given the same priority as mysql, S18. If I just put $mysql it gets a much higher priority, S01... so I think it's not recognizing $mysql as a valid variable.
13:55<rommy>i believe it needs to be the value specified in the mysql init script here: # Provides: mysql
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13:56<rommy>Can you guys tell me what i'm missing here?
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13:59<rommy>Hmm looks like i shouldn't use a $mysql and instead just mysql. now it hs a start up order of 20 whereas mysql is 18. rebooting to try it out! wish me luck =)
13:59<rommy>exit
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14:13<arash>hi all
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14:16<arash>my debian system have been damaged
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14:16<arash>and i get kernel panic when boot it
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14:20<arash>"kernel panic - not syncing : no init found. try passing init= option to kernel"
14:20<arash>please help me
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14:22<ncl>arash: init got removed?
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14:22<ncl>asumo: you can try booting with init=/bin/bash for a root shell but seeing as you say your system is damaged, bash might not exist either
14:23<arash>yes,ncl
14:23<arash>bash do not working too
14:24<ncl>how exactly did your system get damaged
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14:25<ncl>is all of /usr/bin,/bin,/sbin removed, do you know what binaries might still be on?
14:27<arash>no
14:27<arash>"/sbin/init" exist
14:28<ncl>oh
14:28<arash>i updated "linux-headers-3.2.0.-4-amd64"
14:28<ncl>so what happens if you explicitly pass init=/sbin/init to the kernel then
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14:29<arash>i don't know
14:29<arash>just
14:29<arash>kernel panic
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14:30<arash>after update
14:30<ncl>Any other kernels you can boot to, maybe?
14:30<arash>reboot
14:30<arash>and
14:30<arash>boom
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14:30<arash>how?
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14:32<arash>i can "chroot"
14:32<arash>to damage system
14:32<arash>but how to fix it
14:32<arash>?
14:34<ncl>I don't even know what's wrong with it
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14:45<sleser>hi again
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14:45<sleser>im trying to mount an iso to the flash stick within the terminal c omands . its taking a while is that normal ?
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14:47<retrospectacus>sleser: depends on the size of the ISO... what command did you use?
14:47<sleser>the dd something @#%!$#^@$#^
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14:47<sleser>took it off the google . arias
14:48<sleser>not that big . like 700 mb file to 4 gig stick
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14:49<jonadab>Um, dd duplicates (i.e., copies) data; it doesn't have anything to do with mounting.
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14:49<retrospectacus>with disk destroyer it would depend also on the block size (bs) if you included that
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14:49<retrospectacus>and yeah, you mean "write" not mount
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14:49<sleser>dd if=/path/to/linux.iso of=/dev/sd[x]
14:49<sleser>that if to be spesific
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14:50<retrospectacus>should be ok. It could take a while. run "sync" after
14:50<sleser>what will that do ?
14:50<jonadab>sleser: I assume that in place of sd[x] you put the actual device name of your flash drive?
14:50<sleser>ofcaurse
14:50<retrospectacus>flush the disk buffer(s) so you can pull out the stick without losing anything
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14:51<jonadab>Is sync necessary after dd when the destination is a block device?
14:51<jonadab>I mean, if the destination is a file, then yeah, you need that...
14:51<retrospectacus>can't hurt
14:51<sleser>just sync ?
14:51<jonadab>True.
14:51<jonadab>sleser: Yeah, the sync command doesn't need any arguments.
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14:52<sleser>thanks lemy go see if this works on boot
14:52<jonadab>All it does is cause pending (cached) filesystem writes to be completed, not returning until they're done.
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14:53<jonadab>In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any such thing as write caching... but in the real world that isn't always practical.
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14:58<sleser>it worked
14:59<sleser>is there way to disable . mother board speeker ? cause when i hit backspace in xchat . i hear this tiny speeker like an old fation computers do
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15:28<spippi>hi at all
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15:28<spippi>i try to install whatsapp plugin in pidgin
15:28<spippi>but not work i have wheezy
15:29<spippi>can you help me
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15:32<spippi>if i install direct of deb file i have this error
15:32<spippi>GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._pk_5ftransaction_5ferror.Code4: SimulateInstallFiles not supported by backend
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16:17<synrst>quilt made no difference, my .deb package refuses to deploy the changes i made :|
16:17<synrst>all source files under debian/build* show my changes in place
16:17<synrst>bah
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16:18<mediomatrix>hi
16:18<mediomatrix>anyone here know about OCS ??
16:18<mediomatrix>i have a lot of problem to install it on Windows Server 2012
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16:20<blast007>mediomatrix: do you have a Debian Linux support question?
16:21<somiaj>synrst: are you sure you have your deb package installed? Did you give your build a custom version?
16:21<mediomatrix>yes because i have try to install OCS on debian too, is it possible to use port 80 ? or it's often use
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16:22<blast007>mediomatrix: what is OCS?
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16:22<synrst>somiaj; all of the included files show a modified date of when i ran dpkg -i
16:22<mediomatrix>a free solution designed for Linux to set up an inventory server of the local network
16:23<synrst>domiaj; deployed files* so the apache2 file/timestamps are current, so i do know the file is being replaced
16:23*synrst ponders
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16:26<blast007>mediomatrix: OCS Inventory NG have their own IRC channel as well if the issue isn't debian specific. http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/en/community/irc.html
16:26<mediomatrix>thx
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16:32<andresvia>Hello everybody!
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16:33<andresvia>What is the correct way to preseed a random hostname, I have been trying with "d-i preseed/early_command string debconf-set netcfg/get_hostname $(uuidgen)" but is not working.
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17:14<spippi>please anyone help me with pidgin?
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17:15<retrospectacus>!anyone
17:15<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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17:16<Hydra82>hey
17:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 701] by debhelper
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17:17<retrospectacus>hi Hydra82
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17:21<Hydra82>having a issue, when i tryed to install the right drivers for my nvidia gpu , but when i do startx the error log said (EE) faild to load module "nvidia" my gpu is a GeForce FX series. any ideas?
17:22<AlexMax>arash: Please do not privately message people in IRC channels for support
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17:22<Hydra82>i was trying to follow these instructions right here https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_173.14.35_.28legacy_GPUs.29
17:22<arash>ok
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17:23<retrospectacus>Hydra82: show us the whole Xorg log (use http://paste.debian.net)
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17:27<Hydra82>i think i figured the issue out nvm, looks like xorg thinks im using two monitors,
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17:32<us`0gb>I have a one-file C program I need to compile. How would I go about doing that?
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17:33<spippi>help me whatsapp with pidgin not work in debian
17:33<centrx>us`0gb, use gcc
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17:33<us`0gb>centrx: So just "gcc <file name>"?
17:33<arash>hi all
17:33<arash>please help me
17:34<centrx>us`0gb, yes, add a -o output_filename if you want
17:34<us`0gb>Hello arash!
17:34<centrx>us`0gb, otherwise it will output to a file named a.out
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17:34<us`0gb>Thanks centrx!
17:34<arash>oh yes us`0gb
17:34<arash>hi us`0gb
17:34<retrospectacus>arash: ask your question or describe your issue
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17:34<arash>my debian laptop is damage
17:34<arash>and
17:35<arash>kernel panic
17:35<arash>is happen
17:35<arash>no init found
17:35<retrospectacus>arash: please type everything before pressing enter
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17:36<arash>ok
17:36<retrospectacus>arash: how can we help you?
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17:37<arash>retrospectacus: how to fix "kernel panic" and "no init found" problem
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17:39<arash>after i update "linux-headers" on my debian and reset the system, my debian can not load!!
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17:41<retrospectacus>arash: can you choose a different kernel at the Grub screen?
17:41<arash>do you mean another os?
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17:42<MrFrood>arash: no he means an old kernal if you have one
17:43<arash>how?
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17:44<MrFrood>arash: if you have any old kernels installed they should be shown on the grub screen
17:44<retrospectacus>arash: when you boot there is a screen like this: http://www.ap-linux.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/grub-menu.png
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17:45<retrospectacus>arash: use the arrow key and Enter to choose a lower option
17:45<arash>oh no
17:46<arash>this screen do not appear
17:46<retrospectacus>hmm.. did it appear before this problem?
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17:48<arash>this screen exist but do not have these entries!
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17:48<retrospectacus>arash: ah, no it should have Debian entries
17:49<arash>i know
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17:49<retrospectacus>that was just an example I found to explain what is "Grub screen"
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17:49<arash>ok
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17:49<arash>in my grub screen
17:50<arash>one kernel exitst
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17:51<arash>how to fix system to show all kernels?
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17:51<arash>and other os
17:52<retrospectacus>arash: is there perhaps a Live USB or something that is booting by accident?
17:52<arash>no
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17:52<arash>kernel panic is appear
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17:55<arash>when i select the debian entry, kernel panic - not syncing: no init found is appear
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17:56<retrospectacus>arash: you may try this https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/ch08s07.html.en
17:56<retrospectacus>using your debian installation Disk
17:56<jimpop>why are squeeze updates announce on debian-stable-announce@lists.debian.org ?
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17:57<retrospectacus>arash: or use any LiveCD and try this
17:57<retrospectacus>!fixmbr
17:57<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
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18:17<sleser>can i get help on the directory location of icewesel
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18:18<centrx>sleser, dpkg -L iceweasel
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18:19<sleser>thanks
18:20<devil>sleser: which iceweasel also points to the binary
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18:22<sleser>not sure whitch im trying to copy paste flash files in to it
18:22<sleser>where should i pute it cause flash isnt working
18:23<devil>sleser: you should install flashplugin-nonfree
18:23<devil>it places the files where they belong
18:23<sleser>will it show all videos ?
18:23<devil>of course
18:23<sleser>can u guide me on how to ?
18:23<devil>it's utter crap but it plays videos
18:23<sleser>i just want it to play the videos and thats all. i need
18:23<devil>you need contrib in your sources.list
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18:24<devil>sleser: you should know, flash is evil stuff
18:24<sleser>yeh but its not like i count money or store money at... i can care less . if one has to spy they can watch me like watching an xtrated movie
18:25<devil>sleser: you are one of those that have nothing to hide? congrats :P
18:25<sleser>having an isp . anyhow u cant hide anything
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18:31<blawiz>is urban terror still thriving? i get no server list
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18:32<sleser>im trying to get the flash off the terminal it says the pakage isnt valible , am i doing something wrong ?
18:32<awal>sleser, edit your sources.list file add 'contrib' in all the lines and save the file. Then run "apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
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18:33<sleser>dont know how to do that
18:33<sleser>where is the sourse list located ?
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18:33<centrx>!sources
18:33<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
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18:36<sleser>source list directory is empty
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18:36<awal>sleser, login as root in terminal and run "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" . then ^^^
18:37<sleser>i add the new sites or i replace the new with old ?
18:37<awal>just add contrib after main
18:38<awal>it should look like http://......debian/ wheezy main contrib
18:39<awal>same for other lines
18:39<centrx>sleser, There is a text file /etc/apt/sources.list
18:40<sleser>its not there but i opened it with nano in terminal
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18:40<sleser>i aded the 3 links dpkg . and aptitude update is that enough ?
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18:42<awal>your sources.list shouldn't be empty if you did a "normal" debian installation
18:42<sleser>thats what i did cause . after changing root pw . i couldnt log in so i just redone it
18:42<sleser>not sure what that hapend ether.
18:44<awal>which command you used for login as root and for open the file we are talking about?
18:44<sleser>now nano etc/and so on
18:44<awal>nano /etc/sources.list
18:45<sleser>im saying . that i had to reinstall debian . cause . my old instalation . after changing root and user pw . and reboot . it didnt let me log in
18:45<sleser>yeh that
18:45<sleser>and aptitude update so far is done
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18:45<zykotick9>awal: you probably mean "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
18:45<awal>sleser, nano /etc/apt/sources.list !!!!!!
18:45<sleser>yes
18:46<sleser>thats done
18:46<awal>zykotick9 error typing :P
18:46<zykotick9>awal: i figured ;)
18:46<awal>:)
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18:46<alumno>holaaa
18:46<sleser>is there anything els i need to do ?
18:47<alumno>quee ondaaa
18:47<zykotick9>!es
18:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:47<retrospectacus>!es-social alumno
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18:47<retrospectacus>sleser: now install flashplugin-nonfree
18:48<awal>sleser, if you ask something you must follow what people tell you. we said all what you need. see ^^^
18:48<awal>Me I must go, nw sorry
18:48<sleser>yeh i done it . but it wont download
18:48<sleser>keeps saying pakage is missing
18:50<musca>sleser: you need to refresh your package lists: apt-get update
18:50<sleser>went back and nano . to chek . and t he links dpkg gave me is there
18:50<sleser>let me try
18:50<awal>sleser, check https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList you will learn better
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18:51<musca>good point!
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19:05<sleser>i still cant get it to work . i done like wiki is showing same problem can i pastebin this ?
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19:10<retrospectacus>sleser: yes
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19:12<sleser>worked
19:12<sleser>how often do i need to do this ?
19:13<retrospectacus>do what
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19:16<sleser>like to add t he links to the sources.list
19:16<retrospectacus>anytime you want to manage the list of software available to yourself
19:17<sleser>is there an automatic way of doing it ?
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19:17<sleser>like with an update tool or something
19:17<retrospectacus>ummm I think so, the GUI software managers can add/remove entries
19:18<LtL>sleser: if you did it properly you most likely won't need to touch it for years
19:18<retrospectacus>not that that is really any easier, you still have to copy and paste lines
19:18<retrospectacus>hard as that is
19:18<sleser>where to get the links at
19:18<retrospectacus>mine was last edited Dec 2012
19:19<sleser>i think i still like the gui interface cause . 2 years from now ill forget the comand to get to the source list and all that
19:19<sleser>and a place where to get the links at
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19:19<retrospectacus>sleser: knowing how to edit a file in the terminal is worth learning
19:19<retrospectacus>remembering
19:20<sleser>yeh but dont get pissed if i come and ask again
19:20<sleser>i dont mind doin it . its just that i know ill forget how to
19:20<sleser>flash works now .
19:21<retrospectacus>no worries there. We do that many times a day for years
19:21<sleser>how about another quik quastion
19:21<sleser>on like how to place the software updateeer on the tray where the clock is showing
19:21<sleser>so i know its time for update if there are any
19:21<retrospectacus>there is not really one place to get sources, it depends what you want to do
19:21<sleser>cause i dont see it now .
19:22<sleser>i had to go to apper and update
19:22<musca>apper will inform you frequently
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19:23<sleser>will it show on the tray when t here are updates ?
19:23<retrospectacus>I think that is called update-notifier
19:24<sleser>well im using the 7.5 kde and update is inside apper and its caled updates
19:24<sleser>there nothing like update-notifire in the system setings aria
19:25<sleser>i havent used this 7.5 to the point where it sayd its time to update. so is why im asking
19:26<sleser>new user for debian . a litle chalenging compared to linux mint
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19:28<retrospectacus>not familiar enough with KDE to say how to get an update checker applet on there. Install something and/or add/edit the list of session startup programs
19:29<sleser>ill do it later lets see if it notifice .
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19:29<retrospectacus>personally I don't care about any updates unless I want a new/upgraded package
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19:30<sleser>and how do you or . for instance i . know when there is one ?
19:31<retrospectacus>e.g. "apt-cache policy chromium"
19:31<retrospectacus>tells me I have version 25 and 34 is available
19:32<sleser>lemy try that in terminal see what it shows for me
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19:32<retrospectacus>if I wanted the new version I'd install it. But meh
19:32<sleser>it shown something . but i havent understude anything from it
19:33<sleser>im good for now i think . ill just upgrade to a new virsion of debian ones its out
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19:34<awal>sleser, all what you need for update your system is: login as root and type "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". In stabe version (now Wheezy) there is no really a difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade. You can generate your sources.list file going here http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ Dont add third party repositories for now. Your sources.list should be like this http://paste.debian.net/99836 Choose anot
19:34<awal>her country if you are not from USA ...
19:36<sleser>thanks
19:36<sleser>im geting it
19:36<sleser>for now im fine and it does look like that for usa
19:36<retrospectacus>that debgen tool is not very great
19:36<awal>just curious, how you login as root?
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19:37<sleser>as user
19:37<sleser>it wont let me log as root anyhow
19:37<sleser>i realy use linux for its beeing free . not for hiding things
19:38<sleser>im not in network . who stores money in the hd
19:38<Hydra82>anyway to post my xorg log from a shell, I did a fresh install of debian, and the first thing i did was went to do this, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_173.14.35_.28legacy_GPUs.29 but after following the steps, when i reboot it sends me to a shell.
19:38<sleser>so ....
19:38<awal>sleser, do you use sudo?
19:38<sleser>for root i do so and for . always sudo
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19:38<sleser>su even
19:38<awal>hm
19:39<sleser>su for root sudo for user . i use user
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19:40<awal>ok.
19:40<devil>Hydra82: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:40<devil>Hydra82: you can install pastebinit to do so
19:40<sleser>am i doing wrong awal ?
19:41<Hydra82>thank you.
19:41<retrospectacus>Hydra82: apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:41<retrospectacus>or without the <
19:41<Hydra82>on it.
19:42<oldlaptop>sleser: Debian (and most other linuxes?) configures its display managers to refuse root login
19:42<oldlaptop>running X as root is a very Bad Idea for security reasons
19:43<Hydra82>URL: http://paste.debian.net/99840/
19:43<sleser>im fine the way debian is i dont need to log to the interface as root
19:43<sleser>root is for minutes thing . then i exit of it
19:43<oldlaptop>that's the ideal
19:43<sleser>i need a log out brb
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19:43<retrospectacus>Hydra82: did the step "aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms" work OK?
19:44<awal>sleser, run in terminal "man su" and "man sudo" and you will understand better
19:44<devil>Hydra82: you did not follow the wiki
19:44<devil>Hydra82: do you have a xorg.conf stanza?
19:44<Hydra82>thats what i typed in. before
19:44<Hydra82>and it installed packages.
19:45<devil>it?
19:45<Hydra82>aptitude.
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19:45<devil>Hydra82: pastebinit < dpkg -i | grep nvidia
19:46<awal>sleser, anyway, if you are using Kde, apper will do the job if there is new updates. you will get a notification in the status area...
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19:46<Hydra82>no such file or directory.
19:47<retrospectacus>hy: dpkg -i | grep nvidia | pastebinit
19:48<retrospectacus>Hydra82: also show us your xorg.conf file/snippet you created in step 3.
19:48<Hydra82>dpkg: error --install needs at least one package archive file augment
19:48<dpkg>Hydra82: wish i knew
19:49<devil>Hydra82: my mistake, it is l, not i
19:49<Hydra82>okay
19:49<devil>like Linux
19:49<retrospectacus>doh
19:49<Hydra82>it said i tryed sent a empty document
19:49<devil>retrospectacus: you copied me :)
19:49<awal>sleser, you can install qemu or virtualbox and install debian there and use it for learn, practice...
19:49<retrospectacus>that's what I get
19:50<retrospectacus>Hydra82: meaning you have no nvidia packages installed
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19:50<Hydra82>http://paste.debian.net/99843
19:50<devil>which would totaly explain the log :)
19:50<retrospectacus>Hydra82: that one is good.
19:51<retrospectacus>Hydra82: the aptitude -r install ... command must have failed
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19:51<Hydra82>hmm, so what should i do? just try again?
19:52<drhitchcock>Hey beautiful Debians!
19:52<devil>Hydra82: and watch if it really does install things
19:52<Hydra82>alright.
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19:52<retrospectacus>hi Dr.
19:52<devil>Hydra82: apt-get update before that
19:52<devil>or aptitude update
19:52<drhitchcock>Hey retrospectacus, rad name
19:53<Hydra82>okay
19:53<retrospectacus>Hydra82: just for fun, run: lspci -nn |grep VGA |pastebinit
19:53<Hydra82>okay.
19:54<drhitchcock>I’m trying to install a program from source, mpd. I’ve just installed GLib but MPD ./configure can’t see it. What do I type to let mpd know where I install glib?
19:54<Hydra82>um
19:54<Hydra82>it gave me a link just http://paste.debian.net/ nothing past it
19:55<retrospectacus>Hydra82: bah, it's too short, the site won't take a single link
19:55<retrospectacus>line*
19:55<retrospectacus>Hydra82: lspci -nn |grep VGA
19:56<retrospectacus>Hydra82: then tell us the part that looks like [10de:0193]
19:56<retrospectacus>drhitchcock: what's wrong with "apt-get install mpd"
19:56<Hydra82>[10de:0329]
19:56<Hydra82>if it helps im running on a PowerPC G5 iMac
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19:57<drhitchcock>it’s quite an old version of mpd and doesn’t seem to work with mp3 streaming
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19:58<oldlaptop>drhitchcock: it's almost current in testing
19:58<oldlaptop>it's probably better to build from sid/testing source than to go straight to upstream
19:58<retrospectacus>,v mpd
19:58<judd>Package: mpd on i386 -- squeeze: 0.15.12-1.1; wheezy: 0.16.7-2; wheezy-backports: 0.17.6-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.18.10-2; sid: 0.18.10-2+b1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.18.10-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.18.10-dmo1
19:58<oldlaptop>I keep sid source lines on some of my stable boxes for that reason
19:59<retrospectacus>streaming MP3 was available in v. 0.16
19:59<drhitchcock>OK cool. it it just a matter of changing my sources.list to insclude sid?
19:59<oldlaptop>it's three days out of way
19:59<retrospectacus>ahh don't do that
19:59<drhitchcock>ha ha
19:59<retrospectacus>just use the wheezy-backports one
19:59<drhitchcock>ok
19:59<drhitchcock>cool
19:59<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell drhitchcock about backports
20:00<oldlaptop>it won't generally make things blow up if you add a sid source line
20:00<oldlaptop>*source*, that is, a deb-src line *only*
20:00<oldlaptop>although you will then get sid sources by default when doing apt-get source and friends
20:01<oldlaptop>(IIRC)
20:01<retrospectacus>that is pretty alright if you know why you're doing it
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20:01<oldlaptop>in this case it's better to use backports unless you know you need something that's not in that version
20:01<oldlaptop>(they are the experts, after all)
20:03<Hydra82>retrospectacus: anymore info you need
20:04<retrospectacus>Hydra82: ah no, I was just checking your GPU model. Let us know how "aptitude -r install linux-headers etc. " went/goes
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20:05<retrospectacus>according to bug 559933, wheezy's mpd should support streaming mp3
20:05<dreameer>hello
20:05<retrospectacus>hi dreameer
20:06<retrospectacus>are you a Doctor as well?
20:06<retrospectacus>or a dreamer
20:06<dreameer>hhhhhhhhhhhhh
20:06<Hydra82>did it
20:06<dreameer>im just dreamer
20:06<Hydra82>should i try startx now?
20:06<retrospectacus>Hydra82: does "dpkg -l |grep nvidia" show some lines now?
20:06<Hydra82>let me check
20:07<dreameer>any debien developper here ?
20:07<retrospectacus>dreameer: maybe, why?
20:07<Hydra82>no
20:07<dreameer>i need to on
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20:07<dreameer>i would becaume developper debian
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20:08<dreameer>i like debian
20:08<retrospectacus>Hydra82: then "aptitude -r install ..." must have failed?
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20:08<dreameer>so so so much
20:08<Hydra82>well it was installing packages?
20:08<retrospectacus>dreameer: https://www.debian.org/devel/
20:08<gsimmons>Hydra82: The Nvidia proprietary drivers are only available for the amd64 and i386 architectures in Wheezy; they're not available for the powerpc architecture.
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20:09<Hydra82>Oh!
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20:09<dreameer>i visited this link <retrospectacus>
20:09<Hydra82>so just downgrade one?
20:09<retrospectacus>Hydra82: it probably said "package nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms is not available" failure
20:09<drhitchcock>Hmmmmm… So I think I’ve installed mpd from backports andit gives me version 0.15.12
20:09<Hydra82>it didnt
20:10<dreameer>im user very advanced on linux debian
20:10<Hydra82>it said unpacking and setting up
20:10<drhitchcock>And I get the error message “Starting Music Player Daemon: mpdoutput: line 386: couldn't find shout encoder plugin "mp3””
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20:10<dreameer>i 've create some package debian
20:11<retrospectacus>drhitchcock: I believe the plugin was renamed "lame"
20:12<drhitchcock>I’ve tried that before. I got this message as a result “Starting Music Player Daemon: mpdoutput: line 386: couldn't find shout encoder plugin "lame””
20:12<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell dreameer about nmg
20:13<dreameer>nmg ???
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20:14<retrospectacus>dreameer: the robot sent you a private message
20:14<retrospectacus>nmg is new maintainers guide
20:14<dreameer>ahhh ook
20:14<Hydra82>what does that mean then
20:15<Hydra82>if it unpacked and such right?
20:15<retrospectacus>Hydra82: you can't use the Nvidia driver as they don't make it for your architecture
20:15<Hydra82>ah
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20:16<Hydra82>so what should i do?\
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20:16<retrospectacus>Hydra82: "aptitude install nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms" *must* have failed if nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms is still not installed
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20:17<Hydra82>ah yes.
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20:17<Hydra82>it couldnt find nvidia.
20:18<Hydra82>it installed the headers part though.
20:18<Hydra82>so am i pretty much screwed?
20:19<retrospectacus>Hydra82: the nouveau driver is available on your arch. You can remove your xorg.conf snippet, remove /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf and reboot
20:19<Hydra82>yeah but it's pretty unusuable.
20:19<retrospectacus>if /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf doesn't exist then you can just remove your nvidia snippet and start your DM service
20:20<Hydra82>windows are just blue screens, and text has orange boxes in it,
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20:21<Hydra82>okay i will try
20:22<retrospectacus>installing libgl1-mesa-dri might help
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20:23<acald3ron>im running debian jessie with non-free repos and its work great my nvidia card !
20:23<retrospectacus>drhitchcock: that plugin "lame" doesn't work? What version of mpd have you?
20:24<retrospectacus>acald3ron: awesome.
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20:24<Hydra82>do i just do apt-get libgl1-mesa-dri?
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20:25<retrospectacus>acald3ron: if you are referring to Hydra82's problem, he can't use the non-free driver as it is not available for his CPU architecture.
20:25<retrospectacus>Hydra82: + install
20:25<Hydra82>i tryed that and got invalid operation
20:25<retrospectacus>yes. the operation should be "install"
20:26<Hydra82>ivalid operation for apt-get* i ment
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20:26<retrospectacus>Hydra82: "apt-get libgl1-mesa-dri" is incorrect. "apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri" is what you want.
20:26<Hydra82>done
20:27<Hydra82>have to manually install it.
20:27<retrospectacus>?
20:28<Hydra82>oh
20:28<Hydra82>said i already have it
20:29<retrospectacus>yes, it was installed sometime before automatically. It is now marked as installed manually and won't be automatically marked for removal
20:29<Hydra82>oh.
20:29<Hydra82>okay im rebooting
20:30<retrospectacus>well it has been a slice. I'm off downtown, see you tomorrow
20:30<Hydra82>ty
20:31<Hydra82>didnt fix the graphics issues, ugh but oh well
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20:55<andrew_>hey guys, newbie here. Can anyone help me out? I'm having trouble installing graphics card drivers. I've googled it but nothing I've tried has worked
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20:58<lostson>andrew_: nvidia ati which card ?
20:59<andrew_>ati hd 5850
20:59<andrew_>ati mobility radeon hd5850, its a laptop
21:01<lostson>andrew_: this should get you going https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
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21:06<nevyn>!hd5850
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21:11<andrew_>lostson: it didnt work :/
21:11<andrew_>lostson: i downloaded the drivers off the website, ran them through terminal but it says im missing dependencies
21:11<nevyn>right.
21:11<nevyn>and as you were told in the other #debian that's not a supported mechinism
21:11<nevyn>!fglrx
21:11<dpkg>fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>.
21:12<nevyn>why are you installing these drivers?
21:12<andrew_>i just did a clean install and my gnome 3 wont run. I'm assuming its because of drivers
21:12<andrew_>it worked perfectly on my last ubuntu install
21:13<nevyn>did you install gnome?
21:13<andrew_>yes
21:13<nevyn>does X start?
21:13<andrew_>yes i think so
21:13<lostson>well can you at least get to gnome fallback mode
21:13<andrew_>yep im in fallback mode right now
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21:15<zykotick9>andrew_: the same support for amd.com's ati driver apply here as on freenode (note #ati is a freenode channel)
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21:15<andrew_>yeah i asked on #ati in freenode and there hasn't been a response yet
21:16<zykotick9>andrew_: BUT, using debian's method/driver is probably a better idea...
21:16<andrew_>debian has their own driver for ati cards?
21:16<zykotick9>andrew_: IMO and even better idea is, NOT using ati...
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21:16<nevyn>and using radeon?
21:17<andrew_>well i already have the ati card in my computer, I have no other choice at this point. is Nvidia better for linux?
21:17<nevyn>no.
21:17<zykotick9>yes
21:17<nevyn>intel
21:17<nevyn>> both
21:17<nevyn>free drivers in mainline
21:17<zykotick9>nevyn: ati has 0 possibility of free 3d, nvidia does - thus nvidia is better IMO
21:17<nevyn>zykotick9: how do you figgure?
21:18<andrew_>ok, you were saying debian has its own drivers for ati cards? maybe i misunderstood
21:18<zykotick9>nevyn: ati has open, but not free driver (requiring non-free blow) while nouveau is free software
21:18<nevyn>andrew_: debian has a way of installing proprietary drivers that is specific to debian
21:18<andrew_>oh ok
21:18<zykotick9>s/blow/blob/
21:19<andrew_>can i get a link on how to do the debian specific way?
21:19<zykotick9>!tell andrew_ about ati
21:19<nevyn>andrew_: i got the bot to say it 8 minutes ago
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21:20<zykotick9>nevyn: this is the second time i've sent andrew_ the <ati> factoid, 1st was on freenode...
21:20<nevyn>uh-huh
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