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---Logopened Fri May 16 00:00:18 2014
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00:03<pharvey>What's the best way to troubleshoot apt-get update -> "Hash Sum mismatch"? I've tried apt-get clean, rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/, and about 6 different mirrors up to and including ftp.debian.org
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00:23<us`0gb>I generated a key using "gpg --gen-key". How do I find my key now? I'm told it should be in ~/.ssh , but I don't see it there. I'm also not seeing it in ~/.gnupg . How do I find my public key?
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00:25<rjsalts>us`0gb: gpg != ssh if you wish to generate an ssh key ssh-keygen is the tool
00:26<rjsalts>us`0gb: gpg keys are stored in your keyring. It'll be under .gnupg folder
00:26<us`0gb>Okay, I don't know why I thought I was supposed to do that. Thanks rjsalts!
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00:29<rjsalts>us`0gb: gpg is usually used for encrypting and/org signing email or other documents
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00:31<us`0gb>How do I remove the GPG key I created?
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00:32<ncl>gpg --delete-keys?
00:33<rjsalts>us`0gb: gpg --help says --delete-secret-keys ...
00:33<rjsalts>us`0gb: where ... is the key id listed in gpg -K
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00:33<us`0gb>Thanks you!
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00:48<bullgard4>[Wheezy] At what place does Debian publish security bulletins?
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00:49<centrx>bullgard4, On the debian.org website and on the security mailing list
00:50<bullgard4>centrx: Thank you. But the website debian.org is huge. Can you be more specific, please?
00:51<centrx>bullgard4, On the front page www.debian.org and on security.debian.org or www.debian.org/security
00:51<rjsalts>bullgard4: the bit under support that says security information
00:51<bullgard4>centrx: Thank you very much for your help.
00:51<pharvey>The md5sum of /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-armel_Packages is listed in ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_InRelease
00:51<pharvey>So I'm a bit confused why apt-get update thinks there's a hash sum mismatch
00:52<pharvey>shasum is also listed
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01:02<pharvey>So I guess there's a bug in apt-get. Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order { "gz"; "xz"; }; fixed the problem for me.
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01:07<themill>pharvey: the bug in apt's handling of xz compression was fixed a while ago btw -- sounds like you're just somewhat out of date
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01:10<pharvey>themill: thanks. That'll teach me for making assumptions about docker pull debian:testing... :)
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01:33<sleser>hi again
01:33<sleser>is there any topic i can read on making grub auto . and to log to 486 and not the one with pae
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01:39<jm_>making grub auto what?
01:39<jm_>to change the default you can simply edit GRUB_DEFAULT line in /etc/default/grub then run update-grub
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01:42<pharvey>Damn, qemu-1.7 has been purged from existence. I guess because an official debian release never happened with that version.
01:43<jm_>pharvey: ehh? it sure is listed here http://snapshot.debian.org/package/qemu/
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01:44<sleser>like to automaticaly choose the debian gnu/linux with linux 3.2.0-4-486
01:45<sleser>and also . remoove the time . i dont wana see grube if its posible
01:45<pharvey>ah, nice. apt-get install qemu=1.7.0 wasn't working for me. Thanks jm_
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01:46<jm_>like I said, see /etc/default/grub to make all those changes
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01:46<jm_>pharvey: makes sense as this version is currently only in backports for sparc/source according to rmadison
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02:24<paul>ohhh.. herro.
02:24<paul>exit
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02:29<towski_>hm recordmydesktop doesn't show up in my toolbar anymore
02:30<towski_>so once I start recording I don't see any way to stop
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02:30<sleser>hi agai n
02:31<sleser>guys what is the comand for terminal to chek if im using the rite grafic card cause . flash player is playing in timelaps
02:31<sleser>not sure why
02:31<sleser>the non free . player from debian
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02:31<sleser>is it the player or my computer beeing slow or the grafic card isue ?
02:32<sleser>um not exactly time laps but litle faster then time laps but not a live picture also . it litle faster then timelaps
02:32<sleser>like maby 0 second or 1 second . not live at all
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02:36<sleser>and also not sure if its my side or the side who is streaming t he video ether.
02:36<sleser>so im confused.
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02:46<pachzero>sleser: you can see your graphic card using the command $ lspci | grep -i vga
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02:47<jm_>!which video driver
02:47<dpkg>To show the video driver used by your X server «egrep 'Load.*mod.*driv|UnloadModule' /var/log/Xorg.0.log». Also ask me about <fglrx>, <nvidia>, <which driver>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
02:49<sleser>thats very hard to understand . im not trying to configure anything els yet
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02:49<sleser>i just like to use the terminal comand to . see wich driver debian using now .
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02:49<sleser>and if its using the wrong driver then id go on to fixing it
02:49<sleser>only if the driver is wrong .
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02:50<jm_>egrep 'Load.*mod.*driv|UnloadModule' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
02:51<sleser>that comand dosnt tell me the driver info it teling me some other . direcoties and file names
02:51<jm_>put the command and its output on pastebin (/msg dpkg paste)
02:52<sleser>http://pastebin.com/h0bRVrfW
02:53<jm_>you are using nouveau_drv, perhaps it would be better using the non-free nvidia driver
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02:53<towski_>how do I add a notification area to my gnome taskbar
02:53<sleser>how
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02:54<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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02:55<sleser>thank you
02:55<jm_>no problem
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03:29<adam_>hi i have MEDIATEK Corp. MT7630e 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter and want the wifi to work, google abit but havent found anything that could help me. anyone here knows how to make wifi work?
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03:30<jm_>what's its PCI ID? lspci -nn
03:30<adam_>04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: MEDIATEK Corp. MT7630e 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter [14c3:7630]
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03:30<bitcrunsher>hello
03:31<adminewb>I'm trying to do something which wheezy may not support, but I can't find proper docs. Is it possible to install grub to the first ~1Mb partition on a GPT disk? It starts at sector 34 and ends at 2047.
03:31<adminewb>it fails with a not so specific error message in grub-setup, getting particulars...
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03:32<jm_>judd pciid 14c3:7630
03:32<judd>[14c3:7630] is 'MT7630e 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter' from 'MEDIATEK Corp.' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14c3:7630
03:33<jm_>adam_: ^^^^
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03:36<adam_>judd: jm_ ok thnx, sucks abit that it wont work
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03:38<jm_>adam_: is there no non-free driver either?
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03:41<adam_>jm_: dont know but kind of making the point of debian worthless if i need to use that kind of software/drivers thats whats the problem with linux in general not modern friendly
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03:43<adminewb>syslog excerpt: http://pastebin.com/25DZ9tda
03:44<jm_>adam_: it's not a problem with linux, it's a problem with hardware manufacturers
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03:45<adam_>jm_: yes but the fact that linux is like the way it is, in terms of usability or even noob friendly. compared to windows and osx makes the manufacturers not willing to do native support for linux cause the user base is not the same as the others.
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03:52<adminewb>I'm doing something very similar to this list-poster: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/06/msg02219.html ... sadly, there was no help in that thread
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04:08<adminewb>there appears to be some disagreement over whether grub-install needs to be given a device for a whole physical disk e.g. "/dev/sdb", or its GPT BIOS Boot partition, e.g. "/dev/sdb1"
04:09<jm_>there is no disagreement - it's about where you install it to - if it's on a partition BIOS won't find it and something else will have to transfer control to GRUB
04:09<adminewb>so on a GPT disk, writing to the nonexistent MBR won't clobber a partition table?
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04:13<bitcrunsher>Hi. I am triing to setup an acer aspire 3020 (i386, ATI radeon mobility X600, Broadcom WLAN intern) notebook with wheezy , this works so far but I have some problems with the drivers. specially the internal WLAN , graphics mode (wanted gnome and KDE with full 3D support, i know the hardware can, question is how to realize), and some other drivers like SMBus controller, internal flashcard- and SD-card reader and so on does not work without drivers. i
04:13<bitcrunsher>booted by i386 live-usb and installed from network (eth0), most std-soft like xorg is now installed manually by aptitude and running (seems like framebuffer mode, very slow gfx)
04:14<bitcrunsher>is there a documentation about, or someone who can guide me to setup all ?
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04:14<jm_>adminewb: MBR exists even on a GPT disk
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04:15<jm_>!which video driver
04:15<adminewb>well in some sense starting a BIOS boot partition at sector 34, won't that stand in for MBR with BIOS?
04:15<dpkg>To show the video driver used by your X server «egrep 'Load.*mod.*driv|UnloadModule' /var/log/Xorg.0.log». Also ask me about <fglrx>, <nvidia>, <which driver>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
04:15<jm_>bitcrunsher: ^^^^^^^
04:16<jm_>no, MBR is on sector 1
04:17<adminewb>ok thanks jm_
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04:17<jm_>adminewb: is your system EFI?
04:17<adminewb>no it's BIOS, Phoenix I think
04:18<jm_>and you want to boot from it?
04:18<adminewb>I want to enable booting either from a MBR disk or a GPT alternate
04:19<adminewb>eventually I plan to retire and replace the MBR
04:20<adminewb>I'll see what the safety check kacks on with /dev/sdb
04:20<jm_>you can't boot from a GPT disk with a BIOS based system, you want EFI (the exception are some gigabyte motherboards who have an extra BIOS to enable that)
04:20<adminewb>how's that?
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04:21<adminewb>is there not enough space from sector 1 to the first GPT table?
04:22<adminewb>I suppose 512 bytes is not much to work with
04:22<adminewb>"protective MBR" which spans the whole disk
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04:28<jm_>it's because BIOS cant handle GPT
04:29<adminewb>GPT volumes can get too large to represent
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04:29<jm_>yeah that's part of the problem
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04:30<jm_>so disks > 2T are a problem with BIOS systems when it comes to booting
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04:30<adminewb>even if the bootloader's next chunk started at sector 34
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04:34<adminewb>"As of 2010, most current operating systems support GPT. ... most Linux distributions can boot from GPT partitions on systems with either legacy BIOS firmware interface or EFI."
04:35<adminewb>that's what I want: Debian's grub menu started from BIOS / GPT
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04:36<adminewb>quoted from the GPT wikipedia entry
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04:36<adminewb>anyway I'll give it a crack
04:36<jm_>I was under the impression booting from GPT is nto doable with BIOS, but I could be wrong and the limiation might be disks > 2T only, I never tried it myself though
04:36<adminewb>my disk is much smaller than that
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04:37<jm_>why do you want to use GPT on it then?
04:37<adminewb>I just get really fed up with how fragile MBR partitioning is
04:37<jm_>how exactly is it fragile?
04:38<adminewb>it's been trashed on me at random too many times
04:39<jm_>interesting, never happened to me in all these years
04:39<adminewb>the redundancy is worth something
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04:41<jm_>I keep partition table in backup anyway
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04:49<stef_>hello?
04:49<s_i_m>yo
04:50<stef_>ok, so im trying to boot debian on my old computer and i have gotten it to the press enter to install bit but my usb keyboard will not work, i know that because its so old it need the os setup usb keyboards so i plug in a old type of keyboard with the round connectors normmaly that works but it does not!
04:50<stef_>what should i try
04:50<stef_>?
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04:51<s_i_m>reboot with the old keyboard on
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04:51<stef_>i have tryed that
04:51<stef_>still cant get it to work
04:52<s_i_m>does the keyboard work at all? for instance, can you use it in BIOS?
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04:54<adminewb>stef_ you might want to make sure you power the system up with the old keyboard plugged in already; wouldn't trust PS/2 to hot plug reliably
04:56<stef_>i dont know its kind of unfortunate because the computer is in a diff room to the screen i have extensions thought the wall for the usb but not ps2 so checking it is hard
04:56<stef_>i will go up and try to find out if it works in BIOS brb
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04:57<jm_>jsut reboot it, hit the "enter the bios key" like mad for 20s and go back to the screen to check
04:57<jm_>also check if LEDs work
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05:00<stef_>just did that and could nto get into the BIOS but the NUM lock leds and stuff flicked on the after i ppowered on the computer and then went out like 3 seconds later
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05:00<stef_>maybe the keyboard is broken
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05:01<stef_>but if it is what can i do ? its my only ps2 keyboard... and i would like to get this going today
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05:01<adminewb>serial tty? easier to get a keyboard i'd think
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05:03<jm_>maybe it's really bad then
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05:08<s_i_m>stef_, can you try again now with the usb keyboard plugged in to enter BIOS? Maybe it can still recognize it?
05:08<s_i_m>how old is that PC?
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05:26<orgn>Hello guys, I have a question !
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05:27<Guest10709>I use Check_MK to supervise my servers, but how can I encrypt my packets betweens servers for more security ? I don’t find any practical information about that ! I’m on latest stable version of Debian :)
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06:22<darokthar>Hi, I'm trying to install the mediawiki package with apache. I want to be able to reach the wiki with wiki.box.local
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06:22<darokthar>I'm now able to see the index.php file, which is asking me to do the configuration.
06:23<darokthar>But then apache is not able to open mw-config/index.php
06:23<darokthar>I set +AllowSymLinks for /var/lib/mediawiki
06:23<darokthar>i tried to chown www-data:www-data for all the files already, but this didn't help
06:24<darokthar>Anyone?
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06:30<joooon>darokthar: php files should also be set as executable
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06:30<joooon>chmod u+x mw-config/index.php
06:33<darokthar>joooon i tried that before. It did not work
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06:34<giacomo>okay
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06:35<jm_>what does wget return if you download the file?
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06:37<jm_>(wget -S)
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06:38<darokthar>here is my site configuration from /etc/apache2/sites-available http://pastebin.com/Dx1b8mcG
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06:41<darokthar>wget gives me a 404 not found
06:41<darokthar>for wiki.box.local/mw-conf/index.php
06:42<jm_>try checking apache logs
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06:42<darokthar>Ah that was a typo in the url it gives. Waiting for data ... nothing received
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06:47<darokthar>the apache error.log show segfaults
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06:49<darokthar>When i try to load mw-conf/index.php i see with tail -f error.log that there is added a line like [Fri May 16 12:47:02.545084 2014] [core:notice] [pid 26965] AH00052: child pid 29600 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
06:49<jm_>segmentation faul means a crash
06:49<jm_>or to be more exact SIGSEGV
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06:50<darokthar>I know.
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06:50<darokthar>I'll try debug it.
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08:06<mintgreen>how to boot from an iso file image in /dev/sdb4 ?
08:06<planetmaker>you would need to tell your boot loader about it
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08:07<planetmaker>probably you want to look into config of grub then
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08:09<gaelL>Hello,
08:09<gaelL>I'm trying to setup debian testing with gnome : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-gnome-CD-1.iso
08:09<gaelL>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_alpha_1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-jessie-DI-a1-amd64-gnome-CD-1.iso
08:09<gaelL>With both it seems to be xfce and not gnome. Someone have more informations about this ? (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742485 ?)
08:09<planetmaker>gaelL, there's #debian-next for testing / sid
08:10<gaelL>planetmaker, ok thanks sorry for the noise
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08:11<jm_>you can find a list of packages on CD here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_alpha_1/amd64/list-cd/
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08:15<abrotman>gaelL: you can pass it desktop=gnome
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08:21<gaelL>abrotman, Can you be a little more specific,I'm not sure I understand this parameter or pass
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08:23<abrotman>gaelL: at the installer prompt
08:24<abrotman>gaelL: hit F1 or F2 .. look at the options
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08:26<gaelL>abrotman, ok i will try with this param thanks !
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08:38<rd>!gnash
08:38<dpkg>Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as browser-plugin-gnash (for Iceweasel/Firefox) and konqueror-plugin-gnash. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ #gnash on irc.freenode.net.
08:39<rd>do I have to do something to make icewheasel use gnash?
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08:47<rd>nm
08:47<somiaj>rd: seems there is a browser-plugin-gnash package
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08:52<rd>somiaj: ya im just new to debian and thought installing the gnash package would enabled it for browser plugin. I also had to restart ff
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09:31<dcapeletti>Hola buenos días, buenas tardes, buenas noches....estoy tratando de instalar openfire_3.9.3 en debian 7.5 Wheezy, pero al tratar de instalarlo me arroja el seguiente error: http://pastebin.com/8pebF46J
09:32<dcapeletti>alguien puede indicarme que esta pasando, como puedo solucionarlo...muchas gracias
09:32<somiaj>!es
09:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:00<rd>anyone using light spark successfully
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10:06<rd>!lightspark
10:06<dpkg>Lightspark is an experimental, high-performance <Flash> player and browser plugin, aiming to support newer formats and the AVM2 virtual machine. The Mozilla browser plugin is packaged for Debian 7 "Wheezy" as browser-plugin-lightspark. http://lightspark.github.io/ #lightspark on irc.freenode.net.
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10:11<ixi>,v emacs24-nox
10:12<judd>Package: emacs24-nox on i386 -- jessie: 24.3+1-3; sid: 24.3+1-3
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10:16<simaofbi>hello
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10:17<paddy>hello. could somebody help me to remove the write protection of my usb stick?
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10:23<deZillium>paddy how is your usb mounted?
10:23<paddy>its not mounted at all
10:24<deZillium>do you know the device name? (sdb for example?)
10:24<paddy>i try to format it to fat32 using the HP USB Formatter but it complains about a write protection
10:24<paddy>yes
10:24<paddy>its /dev/sdb
10:24<petn-randall>paddy: How is this related to Debian?
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10:24<paddy>obvious, isnt it?
10:24<deZillium>it shouldn't complain. did you interrupt it or pulled the usb while it was writing to it?
10:25<paddy>no
10:25<deZillium>are there important data on it?
10:25<paddy>the point is to remove the write protection from within this debian setup
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10:26<petn-randall>paddy: Do you get the same problems when you use gparted or another partioning tool supported in Debian?
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10:27<deZillium>paddy: the only times i've had usbs complaining about write protection, were faulty usbs
10:27<deZillium>if there are no important data on it, fill it with zero, then try to reformat it
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10:31<paddy>hdparm -r0 seems to do the trick
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10:33<deZillium>if you didn't set it in the first place, and got set on its own, I wouldn't trust that usb anymore
10:34<paddy>the software set it that creates the Chrome OS image
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11:02<wkf>Hello folks. When running a custom apt repo, is there any 'standard' convention for Codename? I'm hesitant to use wheezy when it's a totally custom package.
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11:03<petn-randall>wkf: You can name it whatever you want, as long as you make sure the version string is different. apt.postgresql.org calls the releases 'wheezy-pgdg' for example.
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11:05<wkf>thanks petn-randall, that makes sense
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11:06<petn-randall>wkf: It's only really important to the user, apt knows how to keep them apart anyway.
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11:08<wkf>gotcha... I was mostly just curious if there was some convention (like 'custom'), but since there doesn't seem to be, I'll just make it clear it's tied to my organization, and not the standard distribution. Thanks again for the quick reply
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11:11<kb3ddf>why keep gnome classic
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11:12<kb3ddf>make it part of
11:13<kb3ddf>normal bootup
11:14<kb3ddf>basic comands
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11:16<kb3ddf>replace xp with dedian
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11:20<kb3ddf>ham radio and debian
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11:37<timmyshivers>hello everyone. I am curious if there is a reason for using aptitude over apt or apt over aptitude. I've always used apt-get.
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11:42<petn-randall>timmyshivers: aptitude is IMO nicer to work with if you have larger upgrade/installation/removal sessions, since you can interactively fix the dependencies. Functionally they offer the same things: Installing and removing packages.
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11:45<timmyshivers>petn-randall: thanks. I appreciate the information. I've only really used them for install / removing packages. Knowing there features that make package conflict resolution easier gives me reason to start learning aptitude.
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11:49<kb3ddf>what is the easy in learning cli commands
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11:50<wolfpython>Debian wiki down ?
11:51<yesitscrash>Could somebody help me with loading b43 during installation? I tried loading the drivers onto a USB disk a few different ways, and I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I forgot to write down the error it gave. It said something like, "unrecognized media."
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11:51-!-us`0gb is "0gb.us" on #oftc #moocows #debian-security #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian-mirrors #debian #
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11:53<babilen>dpkg: tell kb3ddf about debian handbook
11:53<babilen>dpkg: tell kb3ddf about general cli tutorial
11:53<yesitscrash>I'm totally stumped here.
11:53<wolfpython>it says like Forbidden You are not allowed to acess thi!
11:54<wolfpython>s/thi/this
11:54<babilen>wolfpython: Which URL exactly?
11:54<babilen>(wiki works fine here)
11:55<yesitscrash>wolfpython: Works for me. Are you in China?
11:56<wolfpython>https://wiki.debian.org. What i input in the iceweasel is wiki.debian.org
11:56<wolfpython>without https
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11:57<babilen>wfm
11:57<zathras>wolfpython, is the browser in offline mode?
11:57<yesitscrash>wolfpython: Let's see a screenshot.
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11:58<zathras>wolfpython, is it the only site (non cached!) that is down? Could also be an (external) DNS issue
11:58<wolfpython>wait a min
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12:00<tyler>So I downloaded Jessie and now I want to downgrade from Gnome 3.8 to Gnome 3.4. How do I do this?
12:01<tyler>I decided to install Jessie instead of Wheezy because I was having problems with Steam.
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12:01<wolfpython>zathras, yesitscrash : it seems that iceweasel adds a https:// header
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12:04<yesitscrash>wolfpython: So, is your issue resolved?
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12:06<yesitscrash>Anyway, I'm trying to follow these instructions, but the installers is not loading my b43 drivers. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en#idp6923968
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12:07<wolfpython>zathras, yesitscrash: http://imagebin.ca/v/1MczGGWppYel
12:08<wolfpython>yesitscrash: not yet
12:08<zathras>tyler, so you decided to install something unstable because you had issues with a single package. Fixing the package requirements is imho a better way to proceed
12:08<wolfpython>still cannot figure it out
12:08<zathras>wolfpython, an URL rewrite is normally done by a HTTP server and not by the browser
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12:08<zathras>unless you have some plugin which interacts?
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12:10<zathras>wolfpython, other browsers do not give you this issue? (no proxyserver inbetween?)
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12:11<tyler>zathras: I had issues with a lot of driver-related things
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12:12<yesitscrash>Okay, so I thought maybe the Chinese government was censoring wolfpython's connection to the wiki, but I have no issue connecting through a chinese proxy.
12:12<yesitscrash>wolfpython: Try clearing your cookies.
12:13<yesitscrash>wolfpython: and cache.
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12:15<wolfpython>zathras: Does the URL there also start with https?
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12:18<zathras>wolfpython, I tested this with IE on windows: http://wiki.debian.org ---> server rewrites it to https://wiki.debian.org <--- no errors were produced
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12:22<wolfpython>zathras, yesitscrash : clearing the cache doesn't help, still redirected to https, and the same error
12:22<gsimmons>yesitscrash: The exact error message would help; you can look at the installer's fourth virtual console (Alt+F4) to see what it's doing. Just to clarify: the b43 driver is already supplied by the installer's kernel, you need to supply firmware for device use.
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12:23<zathras>wolfpython, imho the rewite itself is not an issue
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12:24<yesitscrash>gsimmons: Yeah, it's the firmware that I'm trying to load. I'm about to reboot and try again. I'll make a note of the output this time.
12:24<wolfpython>the same error with lynx and links
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12:49<jage>hola :)
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13:30<xDWhatFriend>Hola Amigos
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13:34<expr>didn't even give me a chance to say hello. :(
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13:40<dpkg>Hi, centrx!
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14:24<AlexMax>I'm on debian testing ATM, and half of my menu icons are just red X's.
14:25<AlexMax>Anybody have an idea?
14:25<jonadab>AlexMax: There's probably an icon theme not installed.
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14:26<jonadab>If that's not it, you could try asking on #debian-next
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14:28<AlexMax>jonadab: It seems like I used to have icons, but they vanished. It's even happening on icons for things like google chrome, which is its own deb
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14:55<stripe>is there a debian testing irc channel?
14:55<retrospectacus>!debian-next
14:55<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net).
14:55<stripe>thanks guys :)
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14:58<mkg>hi guys. can't start menuconfig. mkg@mkg-laptop:~/v4l-dvb$ sudo make menuconfig
14:58<mkg>[sudo] password for mkg:
14:58<mkg>make -C /home/mkg/v4l-dvb/v4l menuconfig
14:58<mkg>make[1]: Entering directory '/home/mkg/v4l-dvb/v4l'
14:58<mkg>make -C /lib/modules//build -f /home/mkg/v4l-dvb/v4l/Makefile.kernel config-targets=1 mixed-targets=0 dot-config=0 SRCDIR=/lib/modules//build v4l-mconf
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14:59<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell mkg about paste
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15:00<coucoy>dpkg: tell coucoy about paste
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15:01<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell coucoy about selftell
15:01<coucoy>doesnt work that way i think
15:01<coucoy>by the way hi
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15:02<retrospectacus>hi!, and PMing the bot works well.
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15:02<mkg>hi guys. can't start menuconfig. help me pls
15:02<mkg>http://paste.debian.net/100035/
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15:10<towo`>mkg, why sudo?
15:10<towo`>mkg, and make menuconfig has to be running from the kernel-source dir
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15:12<ncl>Is there a verbose/debug option for apt-get or something, or what do I do to fix "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
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15:12<retrospectacus>ncl: the real error appears above that
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15:13<ncl>error trying to overwrite an init file, subprocess killed by sigpipe
15:13<centrx>ncl, Paste the full error message
15:13<centrx>*output
15:14<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell ncl about bat
15:14<ncl>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/56f4d6d4/
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15:14<ncl>bleh that's not full, hold on
15:15<ncl>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/12ac4603/
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15:18<ncl>and the apt-cache policy for the new/old packages https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7bdbe3d9/
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15:20<retrospectacus>it's because you're installing from nginx.org repo... you can removing nginx-light and nginx-common, then try again
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15:39<br34ker>Hi everyone I run a Debian based homeserver on an Asus eeePc 701, which has quite limited hardware (4GB disk, 512Mb Ram), but really small power consumption. Recently I found out I could no longer save my KeePass password database because the disk was full. Upon futher inspection I found out /var/log was over 2GiB. I researched if it was safe to simply erase the logfiles, but found out it isn't th
15:39<br34ker>Hi everyone I run a Debian based homeserver on an Asus eeePc 701, which has quite limited hardware (4GB disk, 512Mb Ram), but really small power consumption. Recently I found out I could no longer save my KeePass password database because the disk was full. Upon futher inspection I found out /var/log was over 2GiB. I researched if it was safe to simply erase the logfiles, but found out it isn't th
15:39<br34ker>sry about that
15:39<br34ker>Hi everyone I run a Debian based homeserver on an Asus eeePc 701, which has quite limited hardware (4GB disk, 512Mb Ram), but really small power consumption. Recently I found out I could no longer save my KeePass password database because the disk was full. Upon futher inspection I found out /var/log was over 2GiB. I researched if it was safe to simply erase the logfiles, but found out it isn't thHi everyone
15:39<br34ker>I run a Debian based homeserver on an Asus eeePc 701, which has quite limited hardware (4GB disk, 512Mb Ram), but really small power consumption. Recently I found out I could no longer save my KeePass password database because the disk was full. Upon futher inspection I found out /var/log was over 2GiB. I researched if it was safe to simply erase the logfiles, but found out it isn't the case and that I should use logrotate. Logrotate isn't
15:39<br34ker>working properly, I suspected the last update messed things up, since logrotate.conf is not set to compress, but there are a bunch of tarballs at /var/log. Since I can't edit logrotate.conf i created another one at my external hd and tried $sudo logrotate -s /media/externo/logrotate.state -f /media/externo/logrotate.conf. Nothing happened. I then tried a bunch of other configurations to no avail and decided to manually move the largest logf
15:39<br34ker>iles ($sudo mv /var/log/kern.log /media/externo/kern.log;sudo touch /var/log/kern.log) and tha same for messages. I hoped to clear up 1.6GiB with this, but df -h still says the disk is full and I still can't create files.
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15:40*ompaul wonders how much does the http://paste.debian.net not get glued into peoples minds ;-)
15:41<ompaul>br34ker: ^^ use that to tell your story
15:41<br34ker>sry about that, I haven't user irc in a while :)
15:41<br34ker>Will do
15:41<teraflops>heh
15:41<teraflops>amazing
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15:45<masu3701>whats the channel for kali linux?
15:45<retrospectacus>!kali
15:45<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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15:52<br34ker>All right, here we go. I'm having some troubles with giant logfiles and a filled up disk in which I can't free space. Here is the description of the problems: paste.debian.net/100048 and here is my logrotate.conf: paste.debian.net/100049. Can you help me please?
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15:57<gsimmons>br34ker: Which version of Debian do you have installed?
15:58<br34ker>wheezy; do you need me to be more specific?
15:59<br34ker>it's been a while since I upgraded my packages
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16:02<br34ker>(sry if I seemed a little harsh, I acctually don't know if the info provided is enough)
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16:07<gsimmons>br34ker: The output of "cat /etc/debian_version", "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" and "apt-cache policy" in a paste would help us to determine this. What do you mean when you say "last update messed things up"?
16:08<gsimmons>br34ker: Be aware that logrorate (by default) also sources configuration snippets located in /etc/logrotate.d/, such as rsyslog, which (also by default) rotates and compresses /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog and other files. Just because "compress" isn't set globally, doesn't mean it isn't set elsewhere.
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16:10<br34ker>I meant last time I ran aptitude to update packages (I run wheezy since it was unstable) it warned me some config files were to be returned to "factory" state. Since I never touched logrotate, I didn't bother to check it. I'm thinking the installation personalized it for me, the update undid this
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16:13<br34ker>the requested info: paste.debian.net/100054
16:14<br34ker>experimental shows up there but is disabled; I used it only to install one package, which has since been included into the stable release
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16:17<br34ker>actually, it is still in the sources.list, but apt.conf.d/70debconf has APT::Default-Release wheezy;
16:17<br34ker>can this be an issue? Will I get experimental packages?
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16:20<br34ker>OK, I thought the files were missing at logrotate.conf, but they are there at rsyslog (with compress)
16:20<br34ker>I'm gonna remove messages from logrotate.conf
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16:22<gsimmons>br34ker: You might want to run "apt-get clean", to free up some space within /var.
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16:23<br34ker>that cleared up some space!
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16:24<br34ker>i now have 389M available. Should I try logrotate -f?
16:24<gsimmons>br34ker: You have my permission.
16:25<br34ker>:D
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16:26<sleser>hi
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16:28<sleser>get help on . im trying to urar . file geting mesage like failed to locate program unrar in path
16:28<towo`>then install it
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16:28<sleser>reinstall what ?
16:28<towo`>install unrare
16:28<sleser>rar works when im doing a large 1.5 gig file .
16:28<towo`>unrar
16:29<sleser>ones files unrar in to subfolder now from there i cant unrar
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16:29<gsimmons>br34ker: Experimental is pinned to 1 (see 'apt-cache policy' output), so packages won't be installed from there unless explicitly requested. Your Default-Release line does seem unnecessary now.
16:30<sleser>worked . after apt-get install unrar. thank u
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16:32<sleser>can i ask another quastion . like inside grub . when i turn my computer on i have . choises . whitch is the best to go in to . to use linux . ?
16:34<br34ker>I don't rally understand what that means, but I'll read up on it later. Thx
16:34<br34ker>still, logrotate isn't clearing my logs :(
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16:38<ompaul>br34ker: the presence of experimental makes me very nervous about what you have done to that machine
16:39<br34ker>just installed deluge 1.3.6
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16:39<ompaul>br34ker: what did it pull in at the same time
16:39<ompaul>br34ker: basically you can't really sanely
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16:40<ompaul>br34ker: mixing repos is a way to find out how you can break your machine in new and interesting ways
16:40<ompaul>br34ker: you shouldn't do it
16:41<br34ker>ls
16:41<br34ker>ops
16:42<br34ker>I understand that. I believe I have done things in a safe manner, but things could have been broken
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16:44<br34ker>On the other hand, the symptoms don't point me to deluge. Aptitude tells me logrotate is version 3.8.1-4 which corresponds to stable
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16:44<br34ker>how can I list diferences between my packages and stable?
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16:47<awal>sleser, which OS you have in your machine?
16:47<sleser>just debian
16:48<br34ker>I just thought of something. Since low disk space has always been a problem, I did move a few things to an external HD and created symlinks; /var could have been one of those things. I have since undone it, but I believe some filesystem issue is what is preventing me from manually clearing the logfiles
16:48<awal>hehe. ok. what grub shows you?
16:48<sleser>i cant see it now can i ?
16:48<sleser>shows . things like debian with memory debian or with pae
16:48<sleser>or with 486
16:48<sleser>and dont remember wht els
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16:49<sleser>if there is a way to chek it within t he terminal . i could be spesific and . pastebin it
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16:51<gsimmons>br34ker: You could have mentioned that earlier. logrotate has a '-v' (verbose) option that can be used to follow its operation.
16:51<awal>sleser, if you have just debian wheezy and just one kernel, grub will shows you 2 entries only . something like 'debian gnu (linux' and 'advanced option for gnu/linux' I think so. And you know what to do...
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16:52<sleser>grub shows me like 5 or 6 not sure but for sure not 2 . choises
16:52<awal>sleser 'debian gnu/linux' and 'advanced options for debian gnu/linux', sorry. I use spanish keyboard
16:52<sleser>and . i only have debian . for an os . inside this computer
16:53<awal>are you using ubuntu?
16:53<br34ker>Output: Ignoring /etc/logrotate.conf because of bad file mode.
16:53<br34ker>Handling 0 files
16:53<br34ker>I'm thinking permision related?
16:53<sleser>no ubuntu
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16:54<retrospectacus>sleser: generally you want to choose the top one; it is your newest kernel, probably.
16:54<sleser>im using the . debian gnu linux with linux 3.2.0-4-486
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16:55<sleser>there also one . that has pae at the end of t he choise thats the 1st choice at the very top
16:55<dvs>???
16:55<dvs>oh, that makes sense actually.
16:56<dvs>sleser: if you have 4GB or more of memory, you'll want to use that one.
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16:56<sleser>whitch ?
16:56<dvs>sleser: the one with the pae at the end
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16:57<sleser>is there comand for terminal to chek how much memory i have ?
16:57<zykotick9>sleser: "free"
16:57<sleser>can i paste bin that ?
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16:58<retrospectacus>you want the number by Mem under total
16:58<awal>sleser, in the grub menu you want choose the first one. and thats all. dont complicate your self ...unless you are in troubles with newest kernel or wanna repare you system...
16:58<retrospectacus>it's in KB
16:58<sleser>mem total 2072900
16:59<retrospectacus>that's 2 GB so the 486 kernel should be more efficient
16:59<sleser>thanks
17:00<sleser>awal the reason im asking cause next i wana grub to choose what i want it to choose and i dont wana see t hat blue grub screen at all . all i wana see is the dos screen and doing its job . to log in to the kde
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17:00<sleser>and im sorry if ur anoyed.awal
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17:01<dvs>sleser: not wise. You may run into trouble with the default kernel at some point in time
17:02<sleser>so i should leave it at the way it is ?
17:02<dvs>definitely
17:02<retrospectacus>sleser: not wise at all. Set the timeout to 1 second is OK, so you can choose something else if you're quick
17:02<sleser>fine ill take ur advice
17:02<retrospectacus>1 second is not too long to wait
17:02<awal>sleser, as dvs said you that 's not a good idea. but if you want do that change grub file and put zero in gub time out or something like that
17:03<retrospectacus>you can edit /etc/default/grub and change GRUB_TIMEOUT
17:03<sleser>never mind its staying the way it is with 5 second
17:03<awal>you edited your grub file yet?
17:03<sleser>can i at least moove the one with 486 to a 1st choice in case if i turn the power off and walk away . so when the seconds run out . it should go there
17:03<sleser>cause rite now the 486 is the 3rd choice
17:04<retrospectacus>you can edit that same file and set the default to 2
17:04<sleser>i havent done anything to grub just yet .
17:04<dvs>sleser: I'd remove the other kernel that you dont want
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17:04<awal>sleser, remember that the first line in grub menu is 0
17:05<br34ker>gsimmons: I'm geting "Ignoring /etc/logrotate.conf because of bad file mode" as output of "sudo logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf -v". I tried different sets of permissions, nothing worked. Do you think this is permission related? Web search returns nothing.
17:05<sleser>thanks ill just try this 1st step puting defult to . 2 and see where
17:05<sleser>it takes me
17:05<retrospectacus>br34ker: should be 644, root:root
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17:06<retrospectacus>sleser: (it's true, removing the kernel you don't want is a cleaner solution)
17:07<br34ker>yes, that did the trick!
17:07<br34ker>thanks a lot!
17:07<br34ker>now I have to investigate why my logs were so big
17:07<br34ker>:D
17:07<br34ker>thx!
17:07<sleser>it dosnt bother me if its there. what bothers me . is when i walk away itll go to something i dont wait it to . it kills time and . extra rebooting
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17:07<sleser>ill just set defult to 2 . is best for me
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17:08<dvs>...for now
17:08<sleser>brb .
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17:09<dvs>I bet he didn't update grub
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17:09<devil>I bet he has a problem with .
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17:09<retrospectacus>you are probably right
17:10<dvs>I'll still tell him to remove the unwanted kernel
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17:16<sleser>i set defult 3 and let the seconds run out it went in to pae
17:16<sleser>Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 i686 GNU/Linux
17:16<dvs>sleser: Set it back to 0 and remove the pae kernel
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17:17<retrospectacus>you probably didn't run "update-grub" after editing that file, like it tells you to
17:17<zykotick9>dvs: do you have a dual-core or multi-threaded CPU? if so, you really do want that PAE kernel.
17:17<sleser>let me try update . grub i didnt do that .
17:17<babilen>dpkg: 686-pae
17:17<dpkg>At linux-2.6 2.6.39~rc4-1~experimental.1, the 686-<bigmem> flavour was renamed to "686-pae" with the 686 flavour removed. From the package changelog: "For 686-class systems without PAE, the '486' flavour is more efficient than the '686' flavour due to optimisation for uniprocessor systems." The change allows use of the NX (No eXecute, aka eXecute Disable) bit where available. See also <nopae>.
17:17<awal>sleser, if you have just 2 GB and wannna use Kde DE...thats a bad DE choice
17:18<dvs>zykotick9: it's not for me but I wouldnt use it if i didn't have 4GB or more of memor
17:18<dvs>y
17:18<zykotick9>dvs: teh 486 kernel, also disables dual-cores :( just FYI.
17:18<sleser>i have more then 2 gig . of ram instaled its just free shown me what it wanted to show me with 486 choise
17:18<sleser>and my cpu is dual core
17:19<sleser>so use pae ?
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17:19<dvs>zykotick9: is there a 686 variant without pae?
17:19<SamB>sleser: number of cores is not terribly relevant
17:20<zykotick9>SamB: have you tried the non-pae kernel on a dual-core machine? you'll only have 1 core if you do...
17:20<babilen>dvs: Read dpkg's message again
17:20<sleser>ok i see. sorry guys
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17:20<SamB>anyway what's a non-PAE kernel
17:20<sleser>i think i need to use 686 . cause now i see free showing more ram
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17:21<SamB>zykotick9: hmm, okay, no I haven't
17:21<dvs>sleser: So use the 686 version (without the pae)
17:21<babilen>...
17:21<sleser>there no choise like without pae
17:21<babilen>dvs: REad dpkg's message again
17:21<babilen>*Read
17:21<zykotick9>SamB: it was a nasty surprise to me ;)
17:22<SamB>what I meant was you still need it even without extra cores if you want the whole physical address space
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17:24<sleser>brb..
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17:26<dvs>babilen: Does the 486 variant handle multiprocessors or is zykotick9 mistaken?
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17:26<zykotick9>dvs: see factoid above, and the "... '686' flavour due to optimisation for uniprocessor systems."
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17:28<babilen>dvs: I have yet to come across a 486 multicore processor
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17:30<dvs>So which kernel to use for multiprocessor systems with less then 4GB (and not 64bit)?
17:30<sleser>done with grub everyting is fine thank you guys
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17:31<sleser>big diference . from 486 to 686 . a litle faster performence
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17:33<grummund>Hi, to experiment with installing/re-installing the various graphical desktops how many of the DVD images would one need?
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17:34<babilen>dvs: 686-pae
17:34<grummund>are they pretty much all on DVD-1 ?
17:34<dvs>grummund: Do you have a good Internet connection?
17:34<dvs>k
17:35<grummund>babilen: not brilliant, but i'll be re-installing a few times probably so it's more efficient to grab a DVD than net-install.
17:35<grummund>assuming it doesn't span DVD's
17:36<babilen>grummund: I have not yet addressed you
17:36*dvs is getting the beat down today
17:36<grummund>babilen: sorry, that was for dvs
17:36<dvs>grummund: I don't think they all fit on the same DVD.
17:37<dvs>At this rate, I could be wrong.
17:38<retrospectacus>!cd contents
17:38<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/).
17:38<awal>grummund, yes in the DVD 1 you have 4 flavours: gnome, kde, xfce and lxde
17:39<grummund>awal: thanks for that
17:39<awal>and you dont need internet connection unless you want it
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17:41<grummund>don't mind doing a net-install but if it's mostly all on DVD-1 then that'll be a good kick start i think
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17:42<grummund>and i can play with partitioning/raid/encryption and just wipe and re-install
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17:44<grummund>amazing the MD5SUMS lists 10 DVDs in total :-O
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17:45<awal>I think DE choice is included in netinst too or not? grummund you sure there is no 'alternative desktop environment' or 'advanced ---> alternative desktop environmnt' in the installer menu (netinst)?
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17:45<grummund>awal: i haven't tried yet, it's advance planning ;)
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17:46<sleser>guys whitch log do i chek to see. for virtualbox warning . on bootup
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17:46<sleser>id like to fix the warning b4 installing virtualbox
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17:47<awal>sleser, what see the warning?
17:47<awal>say
17:47<sleser>yeh i see a a warning . something to do with virtualbox
17:47<sleser>when debian loads there is a warning.
17:47<awal>sleser, it may be related with bios.
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17:48<awal>check your bios and enable virtualization if disabled
17:48<sleser>u have any idia under where it should show ?
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17:49<awal>enter to your bios and check in configuration and you will find an entrie related to virtualization if its present
17:50<sleser>thanks ill go do that
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17:50<awal>i dont remember the exact words. each bios has its own design
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17:51<horizonsit>hello
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17:51<stripe>awal slesser yes Ive seen that in most bios's
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17:57<sleser>couldnt find nothing . with virtualzation in bios
17:58<gsimmons>sleser: It may be stated under a different name.
17:58<gsimmons>dpkg: xve
17:58<dpkg>To confirm if your processor supports x86 virtualization extensions, run: egrep -q -e '^flags.*vmx' -e '^flags.*svm' /proc/cpuinfo && echo 'virtualization extensions available'. Some systems require Intel VT-x / AMD Virtualization (SVM) support to be enabled in BIOS. See also <virtualization>.
17:58<sleser>i think i need to add name to virtual box
17:58<sleser>username i mean
17:58<sleser>virtualbox additions disabled not in a virtual machine
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18:00<gsimmons>sleser: You don't install the Guest Additions on the host system; you install them inside the virtual machine (the "guest").
18:01<sleser>......... ok it isnt in bios . should i worrie about the warning ?
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18:14<awal>sleser your machine supports virtualization? see dpkg info ^^^ if yes I recommend you kvm. check debian wiki for that
18:16<sleser>egrep -q -e '^flags.*vmx' -e '^flags.*svm isnt showing nothing
18:16<sleser>or els im typing it wrong.
18:17<awal>more info about system virtualisation https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization
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18:19<zykotick9>sleser: a shorter version "egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo --color=always"
18:19<sleser>should i pastebin it ?
18:20<sleser>im not woried about that warning . as long as virtualbox will work.
18:20<sleser>i had virtualbox working on my another linux.
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18:22<awal>how u installed vb?
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18:23<sleser>i havent isntaled it yet . i will .
18:23<sleser>pastebin site is down
18:24<awal>you haven't installed VB (virtualbox) yet?
18:24<sleser>no
18:24<awal>Have good night guy's :)
18:24<sleser>b4 i install it . i have to be sure itll work . with having this warning i see when debian loads
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18:24<sleser>g-nite
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18:26<sleser>http://pastebin.com/Bce6pcgY
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18:26<babilen>dpkg: b4
18:26<dpkg>[b4] try "before", dude. B4 I17 N34 G58 O69 .... BINGO!
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18:27<awal>what a waste of time... :P
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18:36<sleser>what is the diference between . non-free driver for my video or the one debian chose to . with a clean install ?
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18:38<retrospectacus>freeness
18:38<retrospectacus>performance
18:38<sleser>ok i need to get one how ?
18:38<sleser>i read some topic on wiki
18:39<retrospectacus>do you know what video card you have?
18:39<sleser>yeh
18:39<abrotman>and?
18:39<sleser>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GT 630] [10de:0f00] (rev a1)
18:39<sleser>and i need to install the non free driver for it
18:40<abrotman>dpkg: tell sleser about nvidia
18:40<sleser>yeh thats what i was reading . already
18:40<sleser>should i get the nvidia-glx file ?
18:40<sleser>i read it but i didnt understand it clearly . but i did understand some
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18:41<retrospectacus>sleser: did you read the wiki? Any questions or problems about that?
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18:42<sleser>there no problems i just didnt understand it clearly
18:42<ncl>So, I'm trying to run a server within a chroot, but apparently when I start nginx inside the chroot, it...escapes the chroot?
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18:43<ncl>oh, nevermind, I hadn't had /proc mounted in the chroot
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18:46<awal>Any real and good alternative for autocad in gnu world?
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18:47<awal>for professional use. there is a windows 7 here just bcuz of it (autocad)
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18:50<dualbus>awal: haven't found one. The nearest was qcad, and if you check it out, it's too basic
18:51<abrotman>awal: No, not really. There are CAD programs, but nothing nears all the features of AutoCad
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18:54<awal>dualbus, I tried qcad and its very basic yes
18:54<awal>abrotman, sadly you right...
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19:04<sleser>i think im getting it
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19:12<sleser>i think i instaled the driver but a msg window came and said that . the nvidia driver is not yet configured : it needs to be inabled in xorg.conf before it can be used .
19:12<sleser>the previus msg said i needed to just reboot for it be used. not im confused do i . configure the xorg.conf 1st or reboot 1st ?
19:12<adminewb>is it possible to do what debian installer does to configure a wireless net, only at its busybox shell?
19:12<retrospectacus>you have to configure xorg.conf
19:13<sleser>can i get help on that configureing xorg.conf
19:14<retrospectacus>sleser: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure
19:14<adminewb>during installation, a log file refers to "netcfg" but that seems to be an installer subsystem, rather than an actual text-mode program...
19:14<retrospectacus>sleser: two commands, mkdir and echo
19:14<retrospectacus>sleser: they are run as root
19:17<retrospectacus>adminewb: you can try iwconfig and wpa-supplicant or whatever you need, if you have drivers and commands available
19:19<sleser>im confused
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19:20<retrospectacus>sleser: don't say that, just tell us what you did and what happened. Use the paste site.
19:20<sleser>i havent done anything yet
19:20<sleser> im still reading that last link u gave me
19:20<sleser>and not sure what next i need to do or how to configure it .
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19:21<retrospectacus>well it says exactly what, and I told you, so not sure what you're expecting here.
19:21<halimou>i need to link debian-installer with my own distro LFS
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19:22<halimou>but i can't do it
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19:22<halimou>any one help me ?
19:22<sleser>so i reboot after . mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
19:22<retrospectacus>sleser: no, you have to do the "echo -e ..." command to create the necessary config.
19:23<sleser>is that all ?
19:24<retrospectacus>sleser: let's check and make sure you've done all right
19:24<retrospectacus>sleser: run "dpkg -l|grep nvidia"
19:24<retrospectacus>sleser: is there output lines like nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms?
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19:26<sleser>http://pastebin.com/hTdutrpY
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19:27<retrospectacus>sleser: great. please use http://paste.debian.net in the future.
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19:27<retrospectacus>sleser: now run "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf"
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19:28<sleser>http://pastebin.com/pHe7RwU2
19:28<retrospectacus>sleser: great. please use http://paste.debian.net in the future.
19:28<retrospectacus>sleser: now reboot
19:29<sleser>oh next time i use debian .
19:29<sleser>k lets try this . i hope i dont get black screen
19:29<sleser>brb
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19:34<sleser>is there a way to test. and chek . if now the video driver is non free and a valid one for the card ?
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19:35<retrospectacus>sleser: glxinfo|head
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19:35<retrospectacus>sleser: "vendor string" should be Nvidia
19:35<sleser>command not found
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19:36<retrospectacus>install mesa-utils
19:37<mintgreen>how to mount /dev/sdb zfs filesystem to /media?
19:38<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/100076/
19:38<mintgreen>how to mount /dev/sdb5 zfs filesystem to /media? what's the fstab line to add?
19:39<retrospectacus>sleser: perfect
19:39<sleser>thak you
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19:40<retrospectacus>mintgreen: have you installed zfs-fuse ?
19:40<retrospectacus>sleser: you're welcome
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19:45<adminewb>is it possible to do what debian installer does to configure a wireless net, only at its busybox shell? what would i do?
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19:46<adminewb>retrospectacus does iwconfig come with the busybox setup?
19:46<retrospectacus>no idea
19:46<adminewb>ok
19:46<retrospectacus>https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line
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19:47<retrospectacus>I suspect you could make that work in bb
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19:47<retrospectacus>if your wiFi has no password...
19:47<adminewb>thanks
19:47<adminewb>well it does have an encryption key, which is why it'd be so nice to do it at cmd line not normal or graphical install interface
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19:48<mintgreen>retrospectacus: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
19:48<mintgreen> zfs-fuse
19:48<mintgreen>Install these packages without verification? [y/N]
19:48<sleser>is it safe to dl and install virtual box from oracle 4.3.12
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19:49<abrotman>sleser: that's up to you
19:49<retrospectacus>ask oracle
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19:49<retrospectacus>(haha!)
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19:49<sleser>its just that i see in the apper there a 4.1
19:50<sney>!sns
19:50<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
19:50<sney>does 4.3.12 do something that you need that 4.1 doesn't?
19:50<sleser>i can get the 4.1 if i will be able to use usb to update my gps in xp
19:51<sleser>i had the 4.3 b4 on my last os
19:51<sleser>it did the job
19:51<abrotman>and?
19:51<abrotman>what's wrong with 4.1.x?
19:51<sleser> i never used it
19:51<retrospectacus>why do you believe 4.1 won't do it
19:52<sney>usb support has been fine in virtualbox since before oracle bought sun, I think
19:52<sleser>its not that i belive or not
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19:52<sleser>i asked where to get it from
19:52<sleser>i mean whitch to get is beter
19:52<sney>best practice: try the one already available in debian (that you can see in apper) before you get packages from 3rd party sources
19:53<sleser>i got u
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19:58<sleser>do i get the guest adition ?
19:59<sleser>not sure what file to download from apper for virtualbox
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20:00<sney>just install the main 'virtualbox' package and it will install the rest automatically including the guest modules
20:01<retrospectacus>you only need the guest utils on guest machines
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20:01<retrospectacus>sleser: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox
20:02<sney>er, right
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20:11<sleser>insde the installation in terminal there was a line like . [FAIL] Starting VirtualBox kernel modules[....] No suitable module for running kernel found ... failed!
20:11<sleser> failed!
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20:13<sney>it compiles the modules automatically, it's possible that somehow the compiler didn't get installed. is that on a guest system or host?
20:13<sleser>whats a guest or a host
20:14<sney>the host is the system running virtualbox, the guest is the system running inside virtualbox
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20:15<sleser>a host
20:15<sleser>i gona add guest . when i do install of an os inside
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20:17<sleser>virtualbox works. it opend
20:17<sleser>i havent done anything inside yet that ill do tomaro probably
20:18<sney>I think it needs the module in order to have VT extensions, try 'apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)' and then 'dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms'
20:18<sney>VT extensions make your guest OSes run a lot faster and use less memory/cpu etc
20:19<adminewb>vt stands for what?
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20:21<ixi>cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags | grep vmx
20:21<awal>I find qemu/kvm more interesting and faster then virtualbox
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20:22<adminewb>awal, would you say qemu/kvm is easier to learn to configure it right?
20:22<sleser>is virtualbox ready for use ?
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20:24<awal>adminewb, yes and faster too and well integrated with debian; at least with i386
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20:43<awal>adminewb, for kvm, if you want manage the vms using a gui there is 'virt-manager'
20:43<adminewb>that would be handy no doubt
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22:25<sleser>buys how do i give usb permition to virtual box
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22:27<centrx>sleser, Settings -> USB
22:28<sleser>where do i get an extention pack for the 4.1
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22:31<centrx>sleser, I think you have to download it from https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
22:31<centrx>sleser, Unless you mean guest additions, which are in virtualbox-guest-*
22:31<sleser>i have t he guest addition
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22:33<sleser>um not sure witch i have . i already forgot what was the guest or the host edition
22:33<sleser>i think i have the host edition not sure .
22:33<sleser>i forgot
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22:37<sleser>so its ok to get the extention pack from oracle ? for t he debian 4.1 ?
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