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00:05<Guest11191>123 test, test
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00:08<Guest11191>Test failed ???¨!
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00:54<sleser>guys is it save to download deb apps / pakeges . not sure how the profetionals call it . anyways is it safe to install thouse ?
00:55<sleser>from ubuntu
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00:58<sleser>i got u
00:58<sleser>is there a debian place to look for things ?
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00:58<sleser>whitch are safe
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00:59<sleser>i was looking to download. a iftop wigget for destktop
00:59<themill>sleser: debian already has 44000 packages in its archive.
01:01<sleser>i cant find one or . its there and i dont know how its called.
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01:02<themill>there are plenty of desktop widgets for network monitoring depending on what desktop environment you're using.
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01:03<sleser>id like one . just like i ftop
01:03<themill>there's a network monitor plasmoid
01:03<sleser>or maby something better that im not aware of that exists .
01:03<sleser>any name ?
01:03<sleser>whitch is safe. pakage
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01:04<themill>"Network monitor". It's in the default set of plasmoids that is installed. Just add it to your workspace.
01:05<sleser>that just shows a wave line
01:06<sleser>how about just like iftop
01:08<sleser>i have that in my screen i use the . one wiget that shows all . but they just bars and wave lines. like the ram cpu network diskspace hardware info .
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01:12<jm_>sleser: look at conky
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01:23<grepawk>hello... any suggestions for desktops that maximize vertical space? I'm currently using gnome classic, but with the top and bottom bars am losing too much space on a 768-high screen...
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01:24<dcraig>you can't move the bars to the sides?
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01:25<grepawk>dcraig: how? left/right/middle drag don't work, right-click on the taskbar doesn't do anything ...
01:26<themill>grepawk: kde is relatively easy to configure to push the taskbar/system tray stuff to the edge of the screen
01:26<grepawk>yeah, but KDE is a lot more of a resource hog than gnome classic...
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01:27<themill>ahh... the myths that will not die.
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01:28<grepawk>themill: no, not a myth, directly looking at CPU usage in gkrellm, starting the other one, looking again
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01:28<themill>"starting" is a poor test of anything. If it's using more that 0% when actually running, then something is wrong.
01:29<chealer>grepawk: you can move KDE's taskbar. recent versions have gotten better at that, although a side taskbar will probably always never be as optimal as a horizontal one
01:29<grepawk>this was a few weeks ago when KDE led to a few kernel panics, and was using more resources even before
01:29<chealer>s/always never/never/
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01:31<grepawk>I really hate the new screen resolutions, esp. on notebooks.
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01:32<topcyde>If I have a device plugged in to a usb port shouldn't I see something in etc/proc/usb for it? I have a device that shows up under lsusb but I can't interface to it, I'm trying to find whether its hardware or software related.
01:33<jm_>topcyde: you can see stuff related to USB in /sys/bus/usb
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01:35<topcyde>what should I be looking for?
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01:43<jm_>how should I know what you want to see? you can correlate this to the lsusb output (note how there's a file called uvenet which has ID for each device that you can match to lsusb output)
01:47<ncl>Where can I view changelogs to packages (before installing, so not reading /usr/share/doc/...)
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01:48<themill>ncl: apt-listchanges is often the best way
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02:20<ncl>If I have an encrypted /home, how would I manage that with ssh that uses private-key only login
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02:26<babilen>ncl: Just decrypt it when the box starts and you can login without problems
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02:27<ncl>That, kind of defeats the purpose?
02:29<babilen>What is your purpose?
02:30<ncl>to have an encrypted /home until I mount it to be unencrypted after booting, with the decryption passphrase
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02:31<babilen>Yes, you enter your passphrase when you boot and mount /home
02:31<babilen>From that point on data, including ~/.ssh/* can be accessed and you can login without problems via SSH
02:32<ncl>it's headless though, so I can only login via ssh,
02:32<themill>ncl: you would need an unencrypted location for the authorized_keys file -- you would have to tell sshd to look somewhere else for it and manage adding keys to it somehow
02:33<babilen>ncl: You would also have to make sure that you can actually login and then *manually* unencrypt your data. So you want to guard your data from people at the DC?
02:33*babilen gives up
02:34<abrotman>Engrish is hard.
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02:36<babilen>ncl: One way to achieve what themill is suggesting is to create a /path/to/$USER and set "AuthorizedKeysFile /path/to/%u" in your sshd_config ... How did you encrypt your data?
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02:37<babilen>ncl: That file, naturally, can't be encrypted or on an encrypted filesystem
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02:38<babilen>(or "AuthorizedKeysFile /path/to/%u/authorized_keys" or whatever you prefer)
02:38<ncl>babilen: it's ecryptfs on my /home, I'm guessing I can also add something to fstab and then a line in ~/.profile (outside of the encfs) to ask me for my decryption phrase?
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02:39<babilen>ncl: Yes, that would be the general idea
02:40<themill>I don't know if pam_mount could be pressed into service for that step
02:40<ncl>I guess I could copy ~/.ssh/authorized_keys out of the encfs and then it should work without changing sshd
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02:41<abrotman>No one wants your MP3s :)
02:41<babilen>ncl: That doesn't help if sshd is still looking in /home/%u/.ssh/authorized_keys
02:42<themill>You could also hack a forced-command in authorized_keys that tries to decrypt if necessary and then runs the command requested or a login shell
02:42<ncl>well how ecryptfs works is it just leaves the dir empty except something like .Private, then one unencrypted it remounts .Private over ./
02:42<ncl>(I think)
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02:43<babilen>ncl: That would work then - All you have to ensure is that all the data you need to login and decrypt the rest is unencrypted
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02:44<themill>you should be able to get access to the original /home with a bind mount
02:44<babilen>judd: v libpam-encfs
02:44<judd>Package: libpam-encfs on i386 -- squeeze:; sid:; wheezy:
02:44<themill>ecryptfs ≠ encfs
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02:46<babilen>I'm useless today
02:47<themill>!coffee babilen
02:47*dpkg decants a fine mug of fair trade Peruvian for babilen, courtesy of themill
02:47<ncl>Also this is likely going to sound dumb, but has anyone made a way to somehow, (re?)encrypt the filesystem after the user logs out...but still somehow have background programs under that user still run
02:48<ncl>Bleh that makes no sense at all
02:48<ncl>Forget it
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02:49<babilen>ncl: Look into pam_ecryptfs(8)
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02:49<ncl>yeah but the programs would surely go mad trying to write/read to files that suddenly were swept from under them
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02:50<babilen>ncl: You either stay logged in and keep your programs running or you log out and stop them
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02:50<babilen>You don't have to sit in fron of them though, but could use terminal multiplexers, nohup, ....
02:51<themill>screen would be handy for that
02:51<ncl>I use screen
02:51<babilen>I'd use tmux, but yeah, exactly
02:53<ncl>well time to reboot I guess and see what happens
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04:06<stevenm_>You know when you get the warning... "The following packages cannot be authenticated!" - can you get APT to tell you which GPG key needs to be installed (so I can search for it and install it)
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05:30<deepblue>'Failure ata4: SRST failed (errno=-16)'how to fix this?
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06:39<jonadab>deepblue: How to fix it depends on what's causing it. Could be as simple as unplugging and reconnecting the data cable to the hard drive. Or it could be something more complicated.
06:41<jonadab>deepblue: Does it happen under predictable/reproducible circumstances (e.g., only at boot, or only after when the system has gone to sleep and you're trying to wake it up), or at apparently random times?
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06:43<deepblue>jonadab: it takes place at boot
06:44<jonadab>deepblue: Is it every time, or only some times?
06:44<jonadab>Also, does it happen when you boot from a LiveCD, or only when booting off the hard drive?
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06:45<deepblue>it all started after i copied contents of ntfs 190 GB /dev/sda1 to EXT4 2TB /dev/sdc1 mounted at /home
06:46<jonadab>Well, that's interesting. You copied with a normal copy command (e.g., cp -r), not dd, right?
06:47<jonadab>That *theoretically* shouldn't cause the issue you're experiencing. Theoretically.
06:47<jonadab>However, was the filesystem you copied onto new at the time?
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06:48<deepblue>yes new ,only 130 GB used
06:49<jonadab>I'm thinking that copying the data onto it is neither here nor there; there's something about the new filesystem, the drive it's on, or the interface used to connect that drive to the computer, that's causing the problem. I think.
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06:50<jm_>should be easy to test by not mounting /home at boot
06:50<jonadab>Or conceivably it could be a software problem related to accessing said interface (e.g., if it's SATA and the internal drive was IDE).
06:50<deepblue>jonadab: some files rendered errors and wouldn't get copied.and i turned power off before finished
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06:51<jonadab>deepblue: Ah, I see.
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06:51<jonadab>You were copying them off of the 190GB drive because it was experiencing issues?
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06:52<deepblue>no,i wanted to regormat it into ext2
06:52<jonadab>Hmmm... Ok, so the old drive is probably fine then. Although, you can try what jm_ said to verify that.
06:53<jonadab>If you consistently only get the problem when using the external drive and never when not using it, then you know the problem is connected with the external drive somehow.
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06:58<anony>hi all
06:59<jm_>oh no he's back
07:02<anony>:D yes
07:02<anony>not with questions though
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07:49<jedrek>hi, how can I determine whether my Debian is stable or testing? I installed it with netinstall.
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07:50<abrotman>jedrek: lsb_release -a
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07:52<jedrek>abrotman, it says Debian 7.5 (wheezy)
07:53<abrotman>Sounds lovely
07:53<abrotman>jedrek: Did you have a question about that result?
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07:54<jedrek>abrotman, yes, I still don't know is it stable or testing version of Debian. I have some problems with it, and I'm trying to find the proper channel (#debian or #debian-next).
07:54<abrotman>jedrek: that is Stable
07:54<abrotman>(you could ask here in either case)
07:55<jedrek>abrotman, ok, thanks :)
07:55<jedrek>so, my problem is that it freezes and stops responding randomly
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07:55<jedrek>after ~1-2 hours of using it
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07:56<planetmaker>does the system freeze or "only" the GUI?
07:56<planetmaker>i.e. can you still ssh to the system when it's frozen?
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07:56<jedrek>planetmaker, i tried to force close Gnome but it didn't work, mouse cursor stops moving too
07:56<abrotman>jedrek: what's your video card?
07:57<jedrek>I didn't try to ssh
07:57<jedrek>abrotman, AMD FirePro M4000 with fglrx
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07:58<jedrek>planetmaker, but the sound is ok, i was listening to some music and it still played after the freeze, but it didn't play the next song on the playlist afterwards
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08:00<jm_>so try to ssh in and inspect things
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08:00<jonadab>jedrek: You may even be able to log in on a VT (e.g., hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 and see if you get a login prompt).
08:01<abrotman>also, how did he install fglrx?
08:01<jonadab>(If Ctrl-Alt-F2 doesn't do anything after a few seconds, it may still be possible to ssh in from another computer.)
08:02*jonadab remembers when running out of swap space always caused the kinds of symptoms jedrek is experiencing; but the kernel is smarter these days.
08:03<jedrek>jonadab, I tried hitting Ctrl-Alt-F2-6 but it didn't work even after a minute, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace didn't work as well
08:03<jonadab>I think Ctrl-Alt-Backspace often doesn't work by default these days (because users who do it by mistake are mightily annoyed).
08:03<jedrek>abrotman, I followed the official guide from Debian wiki
08:04<jonadab>But if Ctrl-Alt-F2 doesn't bring you to a VT, you probably need to shell in remotely from another computer, if possible.
08:04<jonadab>If you can do that, you can use tools like tops to figure out what's going on.
08:06<jonadab>Possibilities include: video card driver problems; CPU or video card overheating; power management trying to put the system to sleep for some reason and failing; and I'm sure there are others as well.
08:07<jedrek>jonadab, I have only my mobile phone but I'll try to ssh with it the next time the problem occurs
08:07<jedrek>I can exclude overheating, temperatures are ok
08:08<jonadab>Ok, that narrows it down a little.
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08:08<jedrek>also: the computer sometimes has a problem when going to sleep, it may be a hint
08:08<planetmaker>jedrek, you might also look through your system logs, around the time the problem occured the last time
08:09<planetmaker>maybe that has hints, too
08:09<jonadab>You could try going into the power management settings and telling it not to put the system to sleep, and see if that makes any difference.
08:09<jm_>so try not using sleep mode and see if it helps
08:10<jedrek>jonadab, I'll try, but it freezes rather when using it than idle
08:11<planetmaker>then power settings are unlikely
08:11<jonadab>Yeah, might not be a sleep issue then.
08:11<jonadab>I suppose it could be some process going crazy and using huge quantities of system resources (mainly, CPU).
08:11<jedrek>which logs should I check?
08:12<jedrek>Xorg.log shows nothing really interesting
08:12<planetmaker>to have a look at system messages: sudo tac /var/log/messages | less
08:13<jm_>and dmesg (it's a command)
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08:20<jedrek>I've found this in logs, maybe it's connected with the case:
08:21<jedrek>strangely, nothing in logs about the time system freezed yesterday
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08:37<jedrek>anybody? :)
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08:42<warhead>jedrek: sry I don't have exp. with ATI :-(
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08:45<jonadab>Yeah, me either. Most of the systems I work with use onboard Intel graphics, and my principle system has a Matrox card.
08:45<motorcyclemessiah>hi there any speed freaks on channel
08:45<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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08:47<jedrek>jonadab, unfortunately, HP decided to permanently disable my graphics card integrated in CPU :(
08:47<jedrek>and I have to use ATI
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09:11<dutch>good morning...question...clean install of 7.5...flash has not been installed yet, but when I get a YouTube video, it plays...does YouTkube suppy their own player ?
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09:12<dutchfish>dutch, it does html5 now too
09:12<dutch>ok..what that means....
09:12<dutch>let me put it this a box full knives, I'm not gonna be one of the sharp ones
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09:13<dutchfish>(dont shoot the messenger)
09:13<dutch>thank you :)
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10:36<Sniijz>Hi everybody, i'm having some issue with my debian, anyone for little help?
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10:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:40<Stummi>Sniijz, so, do you still have a issue with your debian?
10:40<somiaj>Sniijz: please dno't spam the channel with the bot. If you have an actual question just ask.
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10:42<kblin>hi folks
10:42<kblin>I've got a quick packaging question. what channel should I be asking this in?
10:43<somiaj>kblin: you can ask here, sometimes you get help on simple stuff.
10:43<somiaj>kblin: #debian-mentors is a good place for more sophosicated packaging questions.
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10:45<Sniijz>Ok, sorry this is the first time i use an irc, i was thinking this kind of thing doesn't exist anymore ^^', so I have a problem with Postfix; i'm running debian version 5 (lenny version, i know.. it's really old), so 2 days ago i decided to update it to the last version of debian... but it went really bad, i managed to fix a lot of things, except one : postfix, now users can't send mail anymore,
10:45<Sniijz>when i type "mailq" i got this error for each mail : "delivery temporarily suspended : host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=srv-exch type=MX : Host not found try again
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10:46<somiaj>Sniijz: you have ot upgrade one release at a time did you go from lenny -> squeeze -> wheezy or try to upgrade directly to wheezy
10:46<kblin>so basically I need to distribute a piece of software to non-technical people, and I'm trying to package up all the dependencies as well
10:46<kblin>I'd like to dump all of them in a debian repository
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10:47<Sniijz>Somiaj : i did the dummy thing of course, i did lenny -> wheezy
10:47<jonadab>kblin: The dependencies aren't in the standard repositories (even in non-free) or in deb-multimedia?
10:48<jonadab>(If not, then putting them in the custom repo with your package is probably the right thing.)
10:48<petn-randall>Sniijz: Read the release notes, restore your backups, try again. Your system is very likely hosed now.
10:48<kblin>jonadab: it's a number of scientific packages, I doubt more than a couple of hundred people in the world care
10:48<somiaj>Sniijz: the upgrades are not designed to do that, it is possible that many configs and changes were not made that should have been. You could keep trying to fix things but at this point might be best to backup personal data and reinstall wheezy from scratch
10:48<jonadab>kblin: Ok, so yeah, your plan sounds reasonable.
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10:49<kblin>in any case, what's the easiest way to set up a debian repo?
10:49<somiaj>kblin: if space isn't a problem, making static linked packages and installing in say /usr/local or /opt might be easiest on your users
10:49<Sniijz>ok, so according to you, the best i can do is to save my data, and put it back on a fresh new Debian fully updated?
10:50<themill>dpkg: tell kblin about own repo
10:50<kblin>somiaj: I publish a software that I want to provide to other people
10:50<themill>kblin: reprepro is pretty easy to use
10:50<somiaj>kblin: has lots and lots of options too
10:51<somiaj>Sniijz: you could track down each problem as they occur but it is hard to say what other problems are lurking under the surface since you skiped an upgrade step
10:51<kblin>oh, btw, that message from dpkg is too long, and eats the URL :)
10:51<kblin>somiaj: that pretty much was my problem. I'm looking for something relatively simple :)
10:51<somiaj>Sniijz: the one you linked seems to be you need to configure your hostname, /etc/hosts and or dns to get the email understanding things.
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10:52<kblin>but I'll have a look at reprepro
10:52<Sniijz>somiaj : yeah, but postfix is my last problem, i need it because it's for the webmail inside of the intranet of the enterprise (i'm in internship, and they have a lot of Debian with 0 update since lenny...)
10:54<Sniijz>somiaj : actually i already changed the hostname, i was wondering if it was possible the problem come from the DNS Zone? Because the error log is talking about my type MX hos not found..
10:54<kblin>thanks for the hints, time to read some fine manuals :)
10:54<somiaj>Sniijz: that is my best guess, but maybe people in #postfix might understand it better.
10:54<Sniijz>Oh there is a channel for that??
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10:55<somiaj>that might be on one second
10:56<somiaj>Sniijz: yea the channel is on the irc network and it seems they require you register your nick/account to speak in that channel
10:56<somiaj>Sniijz: maybe you'll get mroe specific postfix help there
10:56<jonadab>A *lot* of open-source projects are on freenode, actually. Like, probably the majority.
10:57<Sniijz>Oh, i see, thank you a lot, it was really helpfull, i'll go ask them then. have a nice day :)
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10:58<petn-randall>Sniijz: Is your system even in a clean state? e.g. does 'apt-get install -f' return nothing?
10:58<jonadab>One of these days I should upgrade that old household router that's still running etch.
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11:24<grummund>Hi, at the installer stage what size swap is needed to enable hibernation with 8GB RAM ?
11:25<grummund>8192 or does it need to be more?
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11:27<petn-randall>grummund: It's recommended to have a little more than the size of your RAM. You could still hibernate if it was only 4 GB large, just not if you have more pages used than that ... :)
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11:28<grummund>ok, how large to _guarantee_ hibernation?
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11:28<somiaj>grummund: larger than your ram, now if you use so much meory you are using swap space you need to cover that too.
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11:28<grummund>i see
11:29<grummund>hmm, so if swap is ever being used then it's physically impossible to hibernate?
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11:33<somiaj>grummund: Unsure there, maybe you'll just loose info. But you need enough space to store all your used memory
11:34<jonadab>Depends how MUCH swap is being used. If you might use up to 8GB of swap and have 8GB of physical RAM, just allocate more than 16GB.
11:34<grummund>ok that makes sense, thanks.
11:34<somiaj>grummund: if this is a desktop using 8gigs of ram either means a memory leak or you are a very heavy power user. I don't even reach 4gigs of ram being used on my laptop
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11:35<somiaj>(and I belive it is used ram that matters, cache ram should be synced or written to the disk in teh hibernation process)
11:36<grummund>somiaj: fair point
11:36<jonadab>I've sometimes managed to use more than 8GB of RAM, but only when doing something way more memory intensive than normal.
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11:38<jonadab>Actually, in a moment of carelessness I once managed to code up an algorithm that used O(n!) memory...
11:38<petn-randall>grummund: A safe default for 8 GB RAM is maybe 8.5-9 GB swap.
11:39<somiaj>the only time I have used that much memory is say in the middle of compling a large project, or bad coded algroithims. But most likely you won't be hibernating while something like that is running.
11:39<jonadab>You can always keep a swap meter on your panel that lets you know if you're using swap.
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11:40<petn-randall>somiaj: You never ride subway and suddenly had to jump out at a stop?
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11:43<grummund>petn-randall: thanks
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11:44<somiaj>petn-randall: I live in a land of no public transport, I don't use my laptop on my comute
11:47<petn-randall>somiaj: US?
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11:47<somiaj>correct, but the public transport here is even bad by US standards which is terrible.
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11:56<petn-randall>somiaj: I noticed you're not on #debian-offtopic ... :)
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11:58<somiaj>petn-randall: not on both networks, I am on freenode
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12:01<trico>how do you get grep to print the full line that matches the pattern?
12:02<nkuttler>trico: um, that's the default behavior
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12:02<somiaj>trico: are you wanting lines slighty before or after the match as well?
12:03<trico>no, they just get in the way
12:03<trico>setting before-context=0 does not work
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12:18<ANNAZ>hi can any one help me with my keybord ? "ku" does not work and all buttons on the left like shift or Capslock
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12:20<mtn>ANNAZ: is this a known working keyboard? have you tried another keyboard to eliminate hardware problem?
12:20<ANNAZ>yes it works before
12:21<mtn>ANNAZ: but is the keyboard still in proper working condition? how do you know?
12:21<ANNAZ>i think i have wrong layout but no idea how to change it
12:21<ANNAZ>well i just install new system
12:22<ANNAZ>i have acer extenca 5420
12:22<mtn>ANNAZ: when you install it asks you which keyboard layout you have.
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12:22<ANNAZ>i think i put the us
12:22<mtn>ANNAZ: so, maybe that is not correct?
12:23<ANNAZ>i think so :)
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12:23<ANNAZ>but no idea how to make sure :)
12:23<ANNAZ>if you can help me please
12:23<mtn>ANNAZ: I don't know either
12:23<ANNAZ>oops :)
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12:25<dpkg>Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>.
12:25<ANNAZ>maybe an advice where i can ask?
12:26<ANNAZ>i am new on linux can you provide me please with the comands?
12:27<somiaj>I did, Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration"
12:27<somiaj>the things in quotes is the exact command you type
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12:28<ANNAZ>now i have window with many options of layout ...witch one?
12:28<somiaj>I don't know what layout your keyboard uses
12:28<somiaj>but that is how you configure it
12:28<ANNAZ>how to make sure?
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12:29<somiaj>test it
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12:32<ANNAZ>how make sure if i have english uk or us?
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12:36<somiaj>ANNAZ: you can rerun that command, test it out (:
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12:36<somiaj>ANNAZ: just hit the up arrow to rerun
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12:38<ANNAZ>appriciate your help :)
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12:39<oushanne>comment tu vas
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12:48<jedrek>hi, I'm here again, anybody familiar with fglrx and willing to help?
12:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:49<jedrek>my system refuses to sleep, and freezes because of it, sometimes it freezes randomly and I think fglrx causes it too (I investigated the case earlier here :-))
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12:50<jedrek>mtn, I asked 3h ago, but nobody present was an ATI GPU user :)
12:50<mtn>jedrek: still, you proper and polite way is to present you full question and wait and see if anyone answers
12:51<mtn>jedrek: likely noone here was here 3 hours ago and remembers your quesiton ;)
12:51<jedrek>so, as you asked, my question is up there^
12:52<jedrek>how to fix this issue?
12:52<jedrek>maybe I'll provide some logs
12:52<mtn>jedrek: how does it work with the default free drivers?
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12:53<jedrek>mtn, I don't really know, I installed fglrx just after a fresh install of Debian
12:53<mtn>jedrek: first thing I would try is the default drivers. otherwise, did you know there is an ati channel on the freenode server?
12:55<jedrek>mtn, oh, I didn't, that would be a great place to ask
12:55<mtn>jedrek: they would likely know more ;)
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12:57<jedrek>mtn, ok, thanks, I'll try to ask them for some help :)
12:58<mtn>jedrek: yw
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13:07<grummund>Hi, with a dual screen (laptop + docking station) setup with both screens 'cloned', how can i make the screens independent?
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13:08<grummund>this is with a fresh install from testing and using xfce desktop.
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13:20<grummund>xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1 --> woohoo ;-)
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13:38<n0rth3rnl1gh7>I want to change my gnome theme but I don't know what version it is, I'm running debian wheezy gnome classic session, how can I get my gnome version?
13:39<n0rth3rnl1gh7>Do I have to search for gnome flashback or something like that?
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13:43<jedrek>n0rth3rnl1gh7, System Settings -> Details
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13:44<yerba>Hello! Q: What is the home dir of the 'ftp' user created when installing vsftpd?
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13:44<yerba>I tried putting something in /srv/ftp but browsing to ftp://localhost still empty...
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13:45<n0rth3rnl1gh7>yerba, look in /etc/vsftpd.conf or /opt/etc/vsftpd.conf
13:45<yerba>the config file doesn't specify it
13:45<yerba>should be default pick home dir of user 'ftp'
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13:46<yerba>how do I check what its homedir is?
13:46<yerba>*by default
13:46<yerba>I can't su - ftp
13:47<n0rth3rnl1gh7>yerba, do you have there something like "chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd/chroot_list " ?
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13:47<n0rth3rnl1gh7>yerba, sorry I misunderstood
13:48<yerba>Yeah, no problems :-)
13:48<yerba>I just want to know where to drop my files so the server serves them
13:49<n0rth3rnl1gh7>in /etc/vsftpd.conf file: anon_root=/some/directory/of/your/choice/
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13:49<n0rth3rnl1gh7>yerba, *
13:50<n0rth3rnl1gh7>yerba, I think is /srv/ftp by default
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13:50<yerba>Me too, but I did `touch test` inside it but...
13:50<yerba>oh wait, I think I created the test file with root user
13:51<yerba>Changing permissions... lol
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13:52<yerba>hmmm no
13:52<yerba>file doesn't show up
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13:53<n0rth3rnl1gh7>did you try changing the anon_root, yerba ?
13:53<yerba>hmmm I think it's a client bug or something
13:54<yerba>No, but when I ftp from Nautilus file browser it works
13:54<yerba>When I ftp from Iceweasel, it doesn;t
13:54<yerba>make Iceweasel has a caching bug
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13:55<yerba>any chance can you try and tell me what you see?
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13:56<n0rth3rnl1gh7>yerba, im connected
13:56<n0rth3rnl1gh7>yerba, can't see anything
13:57<yerba>no files?
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13:57<n0rth3rnl1gh7>yerba, you don't have the proper permissions
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13:57<yerba>I checked the file's permissions, all seem fine. I'll try changing anon_root...
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14:00<john_>hi im about to install debian on my pc, and would like to find a proper guide that shows hot to install ati drivers for debian testing, that will make it very easy for me to follow once im done with the install, anyone has a nice tut for that? or is it as simple as downloading the run file and install that and its all good to go?
14:01<planetmaker>in the ideal case that does the trick
14:01<john_>i dont need to install headers fx drivers or anything like that then`
14:03<n0rth3rnl1gh7>john_, google ATI drivers for linux, official page
14:03<n0rth3rnl1gh7>john_, you'll need your graphic card model and that's it
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14:04<n0rth3rnl1gh7>john_, after you install debian you should have generic drivers, then you can download it from iceweasel (default browser) and run it from terminal
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14:07<lukrop>why do you suggest using the drivers provided by AMD/ATI on their webpage
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14:07<lukrop>there is a fglrx package in non-free afaik
14:07<lukrop>and the xserver-xorg-video-ati is working pretty decent
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14:08<john_>lukrop: is it a diffrence between the ati drivers from ther webside and the xserver-xorg-video-ati?
14:09<lukrop>john_: yeah, the official driver is closed source
14:09<zphinx>one is opensource, the other other once is propertiary.
14:09<john_>yh i meant in terms of preformence
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14:10<zphinx>forget gaming on the opensource one.
14:10<lukrop>john_: but as long as you don't have very exotic hardware or special gaming needs you should be good to go with the open source driver
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14:10<lukrop>well, the performance of the opensource driver isn't that bad zphinx, depending on the card
14:10<john_>lukrop: only game i would want to keep is diablo 3 RoS
14:11<john_>seen ppl play it on debian with very nice preformence guess they use the ati drivers form ati then
14:11<n0rth3rnl1gh7>lukrop, because I have a HD 6670 and a XFX 7700
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14:11<john_>i got a hd 7850
14:12<lukrop>n0rth3rnl1gh7: do the fglrx drivers from non-free not support those cards?
14:12<n0rth3rnl1gh7>lukrop, not 100%
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14:13<john_>lukrop: just to be sure, if i download the driver from ati, is that the only thing i need to install? i read somwhere that i need to install fglrx and some headers but that guide was pretty old
14:13<n0rth3rnl1gh7>just saying, if you want to test it yourself do it, brb
14:14<lukrop>john_: i'd suggest just installing debian. then see what works out of the box and what doesn't
14:14<lukrop>you should have a working graphical environment out of the box in any case i guess
14:15<lukrop>if the performance is bad i would try the fglrx driver from the repos
14:15<lukrop>if that doesn't work or the performance is still bad i'd try the ones from the amd page
14:16<john_>lukrop: yh but just want to make sure it will work, cause if i cant get it to work in the way i want i might not install debian
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14:16<lukrop>than you'll have to find someone with exactly your hardware and exactly your requirements :D
14:17<john_>lukrop: not really just find some one who has install the ati drivers from ati
14:17<john_>and to tell me if that is the only file i need to run
14:18<lukrop>did you have a look at
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14:19<john_>lukrop: yes
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14:20<john_>if i will use testing will i still do as it says under wheezy
14:20<n0rth3rnl1gh7>john_, you need to install headers
14:20<n0rth3rnl1gh7>john_, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
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14:22<john_>aight, gonna go for it wish me luck, il be back with a smiley or a headache
14:23<lukrop>john_: good luck :)
14:23<n0rth3rnl1gh7>john_, gl
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14:56<zsero>hi, what is the recommended way to run rsyncd on Debian? Should I install inetd only for this? or xinetd?
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15:03<yerba>n0rth3rnl1gh7: Thanks for your help
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15:04<yerba>FTP server now works
15:04<n0rth3rnl1gh7>yerba, your ftp works now? good
15:04<yerba>FTP server now works:)
15:04<yerba>thanks for your help
15:04<n0rth3rnl1gh7>Q: how do I fix the panel background in gnome classic?
15:05<n0rth3rnl1gh7>yerba, you're welcome
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15:07<jonadab>n0rth3rnl1gh7: If you install the gnome-color-chooser package, you can use it to customize some things.
15:08<jonadab>Alternately, customize your gtk2 and gtk3 thremes.
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15:09<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, I just installed gnome-color-chooser but I click "apply" and nothing happends
15:10<jonadab>n0rth3rnl1gh7: Try restarting the panel.
15:10<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, how can I do that?
15:11<jonadab>Well, the crude way is killall -9 gnome-panel. (It'll restart automatically.) Another way is to log out and back in.
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15:15<rostam>hi we have installed debian on two different partitions, i.e. /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. One partition is active all the time, i.e. /dev/sda1. In the field, If active partition is corrupted we have a PIC controller which will detect the failure and switch the boot partition to /dev/sda2. My question is how I can reinstall debian on corrupted partition. This has to be automated, so it requires preseeding. I was thinking of debbootstrap but it seems it does
15:15<rostam>not support preseeding. Any help or suggestion greatly appreciated. thx
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15:17<jonadab>rostam: well, there's always dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sda1 ... but if you were looking for a GOOD answer, you'll have to wait for someone else to reply.
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15:19<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, does not work :\
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15:19<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, what if I edit the gtk-3.0\gtk.css inside my theme folder?
15:19<jonadab>n0rth3rnl1gh7: That is certainly worth trying.
15:19<jonadab>Keep a copy of the original so you can revert if necessary.
15:20<jonadab>As with the other technique, it will likely be necessary to restart the panel in order for it to take effect.
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15:22<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, sorry but can you see if you find the var that I need to change? I cant find it
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15:24<jonadab>n0rth3rnl1gh7: does your theme not define dark_bg_color and dark_fg_color?
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15:24<jonadab>Oh, wait, no, the GTK theme defines that.
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15:27<jonadab>You can maybe change the shade amounts (try e.g. 1.0), but that will be only a minor tweak, because the shading is relative to the basic color.
15:28<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, so you mean I can't set my gnome-panel background to transparent?
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15:33<jonadab>n0rth3rnl1gh7: That's different. Right-click (or in recent versions alt-rightclick) on the panel for those settings.
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15:39<Kenneth>finally worked, lol
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15:46<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, definitely I can't turn my gnome-panel to transparent
15:47<jonadab>n0rth3rnl1gh7: That's different. Right-click (or in recent versions alt-rightclick) on the panel for those settings.
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15:48<jonadab>That only works for the panel _background_, though, not for the applets on the panel.
15:48<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, but it is not full transparent, let me show you an image...
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15:49<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, that's my problem.
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15:55<jonadab>The problem is, of course, knowing A) how that effect is achieved and B) how exactly it differs from what is wanted.
15:55<anony>its da debian :D <3
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16:13<av0ch>Hello World!
16:14<musca>av0ch: welcome
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16:24<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, mm?
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16:24<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, I just want the panel transparent including theclock and stuff
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16:28<jonadab>n0rth3rnl1gh7: The applets (clock, task list, etc.) do not support transparency. As far as I know, they never have, even in Gnome 0.x when Gnome had a lot of features.
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16:31<jonadab>I didn't start using Gnome until the era when the default window manager was Enlightenment, so it's possible there was an even older version that had that feature; but I doubt it. They didn't really start removing features in earnest until the GTK2 rewrite.
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16:33<SamB>so there's no trick you can use to just set an alpha on the whole panel?
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16:40<jonadab>Well, maybe if your window manager supports setting alpha on arbitrary windows; but off the top of my head I don't know of a wm that does that.
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16:41<yerba>Hello, does anyone has experience with pnopaste over lighttpd?
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16:42<yerba>I adapted the configuration from gitweb, but no page ever loads
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16:44<yerba>does this make sense:
16:45<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, look, debian squeeze 6.0
16:45<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, it is an old screenshot..
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16:46<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, that's what I mean, i just want no-color or gradient background
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16:47<sleser>is there a way to accelerate file deleting ?
16:48<centrx>File deleting should be fairly instantaneous
16:48<jonadab>sleser: Depends what's slowing it down, I guess.
16:48<centrx>It takes longer the more files there are to delete
16:48<sleser>how would i know whats slowing it down
16:48<sleser>after deleting a file it takes a while before it would disapear from dolphin
16:48<jonadab>sleser: I'm not sure. What kind of filesystem are you using, and how many files are we talking about?
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16:49<sleser>extension 4
16:49<sleser>and one big file . and let it be 2 or 3 big files one after another
16:49<jonadab>sleser: Well, I don't know anything about dolphin...
16:49<sleser>big files are like anywhere from 1 gig to 3 gig
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16:50<jonadab>But on ext2/3/4, deleting a small number of files should be instantaneous (err, except for write cacheing).
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16:50<centrx>sleser, That sounds like dolphin has a refresh cycle, it only recognizes the new filesystem status every X seconds
16:50<sleser>yeh i think also it should be instant
16:51<sleser>but its not
16:51<centrx>whatever dolphin is...
16:51<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, I just wonder, why seamonkey?
16:51<jonadab>n0rth3rnl1gh7: Because Firefox doesn't support some of the CSS features I need.
16:52<sleser>well if any one use dolphin and knows the solution ill hang around
16:52<sleser>for advice
16:52<jonadab>*Recent* versions of Firefox are almost worse than stinking Chrome.
16:52<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, ... ?
16:52<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, firefox 2? really?
16:53<centrx>jonadab, Why are you using a browser from 2006
16:53<jonadab>Yeah, actually, I still use FF2 at home, as my main browser.
16:53<centrx>that is horribly insecure
16:54<jonadab>Because FF3 has major show-stopper bugs, one of which is severe dataloss and wasn't fixed until like version 10, by which time the UI had been made completely horrific.
16:54<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, did you know firefox is 29 today? XD
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16:54<n0rth3rnl1gh7>jonadab, not 2 nor 3
16:54<jonadab>Also, I use noscript and only allow Javascript on a VERY short list of sites (think: most of them are sites I wrote myself).
16:54<centrx>jonadab, Lack of security is a show-stopper bug.
16:54<centrx>jonadab, Did you try chromium?
16:54<jonadab>n0rth3rnl1gh7: Have you *seen* Firefox 29? Ugh.
16:55<jonadab>Chromium is just like Chrome. No decent UI, no configurability, no options. NO thank you.
16:55<jonadab>Seamonkey has only a couple of things I really really would like to fix. It's almost good.
16:55<centrx>jonadab, Why don't you use Netscape Navigator 4.8? That was the best browser.
16:55<jonadab>lukrop: Ew.
16:56<jonadab>I do also use links2, FWIW.
16:56<jonadab>I'm aware of w3m.
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16:59<jonadab>Let's just say I'm *picky* about what software I use and want it to do everything *exactly* the way I want.
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16:59<jonadab>This is why I use Debian in the first place: it's configurable.
16:59<lukrop>sleser: could it be that inotify watch limit is too low?
17:00<sleser>whats an inotify ?
17:00<lukrop>dolphin is behaving normally with the debian default here, though
17:00<lukrop>Inotify (inode notify) is a Linux kernel subsystem that acts to extend filesystems to notice changes to the filesystem, and report those changes to applications. It replaces an earlier facility, dnotify, which had similar goals.
17:00<sleser>well after moving to trash . if i close dolphin and open its still there
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17:01<sleser>how can we see this ?
17:01<sleser>any command to chekd ?
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17:02<awal>sleser, check dolphin settings...
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17:03<sleser>im looking at t he dolphin settings aria , where exactly do i have to look at ? and what am i supose to chekd on there ?
17:03<sleser>trash can ?
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17:05<lukrop>sleser: is the file moved to the trash immediatly?
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17:06<lukrop>does it only happen in dolphin?
17:06<sleser>i use the interface
17:07<sleser>im not too good with the terminal
17:07<sleser>i think with rm itll be instant
17:07<awal>sleser, there is an option for that. just find it by yourself ; it will help you to discover things...:P
17:07<lukrop>awal: actually i didn't see a option that could be releated to that problem myself :D maybe you are running sid?
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17:08<sleser>like on the kde. by the clock aria on the tray there is a notifyer . and when i moove to trash . it shows me that slowly its mooving
17:08<sleser>but its trash . not so mething that i need if its something that i need transfering one to another hd . its fine
17:08<sleser>but trashing . come on
17:08<lukrop>well that means the file is really big
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17:09<sleser>i dont want to see it slowly going . id like it instant
17:09<lukrop>or your disk is really slow
17:09<sleser>its not the disk
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17:09<sleser>its same disk ran ntfs and windows
17:09<sleser>and linux another.. brand
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17:09<sleser>its a sata drive .
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17:10<sleser>wiping from terminal is instant
17:10<sleser>that ill say .
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17:11<lukrop>moving to trash means that dolphin actually moves the file to a different directory
17:11<awal>lukrop, i'm in jessie now but I have wheezy/kde. sowewhere in dolphin files moved to trash are saved for X time...
17:11<lukrop>you could try <shift>+<del> but this really completly removes the file
17:12<sleser>let me try this
17:12<lukrop>awal: yeah I'm on testing too, anyways it's the trashing which takes him too long not the time files reside in the trash
17:12<chealer>sleser: which Debian suite do you use?
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17:13<awal>lukrop, ok. sorry I misunderstood
17:13<lukrop>np :)
17:14<sleser>control delete dosnt work
17:14<csotelo>hello debian people... is ok ask here something related to awk?
17:14<sleser>i use the 7.5 kde
17:14<lukrop>wheezy then with KDE 4.8.something
17:14<sleser>thats instant
17:15<lukrop>how big is the file actually?
17:15<sleser>wipes completely i cant. return it back
17:15<sleser>like 3 gig
17:15<chealer>csotelo: if you're looking for support with Debian, yes
17:15<chealer>sleser: hum. is it better with konqueror?
17:15<csotelo>chealer, no.. is just a general question abut os ... general topic.. maybe a ot, but I dont know where to ask :(
17:16<csotelo>any way.. please.. sorry If I am wrong
17:16<sleser>let me try
17:16<lukrop>sleser: yeah, you can't get the file back if you shift+del it
17:17<csotelo>thanks any way.. I though I have gotten the answer
17:17<csotelo>thanks a lot}
17:17<lukrop>(at least not with a ton of work)
17:17<chealer>csotelo: then it's not.
17:17<chealer>!tell csotelo about awk
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17:17<csotelo>yes chealer I have found that channel.. that is cause I told "sorry" and "thanks"
17:18<sleser>with konqeror the same thing
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17:19<lukrop>probably the file is just too big and moving takes some time
17:19<sleser>like u mentioned mooving a file to trash . to another derectory like. takes long 1.4 gig file this time i tryed with
17:19<lukrop>if you move it using mv it should be instantaneous
17:20<sleser>mv . is in terminal comand ?
17:20<chealer>sleser: is the trash in the same partition as the file?
17:20<sleser>and its comlete wipe or mooving to trash ?
17:20<sleser>yes it is
17:20<lukrop>mv is for moving
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17:20<lukrop>man mv
17:20<lukrop>or renaming
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17:21<lukrop>but well, i don't use the trash at all
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17:21<lukrop>i just shift del files or don't delete them :D
17:21<sleser>trash is just sometimes usefull because . sometimes id wipe the file then . if ill need it back cause i wiped it by mistake
17:21<sleser>its useful to have a trash can
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17:22<lukrop>yep, i don't argue with that
17:22<sleser>shift delete is way quik . experimenting it was awsome
17:22<lukrop>i just grew acustom to shift del :D
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17:23<sleser>i guess ill have to do the same
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17:23<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know of a script for system administrators that automatically does something like: 1.) accepts the name of a file containing an unsolicited email, which may contain spam or malware, 2.) searches that file for email "Received" headers, 3.) for each "Received" header, i.) extracts the IP address of the intermediate email server, ii.) looks up the IP address in a.) a database of known spammers, like SpamHaus, and b
17:23<kingsley>.) whois, to get the email address to report abuse to, iii.) formats a nice little report showing how that IP address was involved in sending spam or malware, possibly by accepting emails from a known spammer, and iv.) emails that report to the address listed for abuse reports in whois?
17:24<lukrop>sleser: asl long as not all files are that big you don't have too
17:24<jedrek>hi, I have a problem with Firefox on Debian, it scrolls horribly laggy and slowly, what should I do?
17:24<lukrop>it's actually a bad habit
17:25<awal>sleser, how many space is reserved for thash in your /home? you can find that in dolphin settings.
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17:25<sleser>i have 23 gig ive given it
17:25<sleser>space isnt an issue for me i have plenty of hd
17:25<lukrop>jedrek: what graphics adapter do you have?
17:26<kingsley>jedrek: I seem to recall that Firefox used to have a configuration option for smooth scrolling. If you have not done so already, I humbly suggest searching Google's indices for something like ... scroll slow firefox.
17:26<lukrop>jedrek: do you have any desktop effects of your desktop environment enabled
17:26<yoelis>hi everybody
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17:26<awal>sleser, ok. i just thought that the files you want remove are bigger then the space reserved for trash
17:27<lucas_tcp1>Somebody sometime did use a dictionary to discover wireless password?
17:27<jedrek>lukrop, my GPU is AMD FirePro M4000, and I have a standard Gnome 3 dekstop with cairo dock, no special effects
17:27<chealer>sleser: what's the problematic file's path?
17:27<lukrop>the default gnome 3 desktop does have composting
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17:28<SamB>lukrop: that replaces the Trash bin?
17:28<lukrop>chealer: anyhow did you try to disable smooth scrolling
17:28<lukrop>SamB: what?
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17:28<lukrop>SamB: :D
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17:28<sleser>awal :
17:29<chealer>lukrop: I suppose you meant jedrek
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17:29<awal>sleser, as lukrop said you shift+delete is a an option for remove without moving to trash. but be careful with sensible files/directories
17:29<lukrop>yeah sorry.. dayum too much beer already
17:29<sleser>yes i understand
17:29<jedrek>lukrop, kingsley, I tried to Google search the solution earlier, turning off smooth scrolling helps in some way, but it's still a bit laggy
17:29<sleser>oh and i made a mistake. the files . are on another hard disk and anothe partition . its on an ntfs disk
17:30<yoelis>somebody can help me about my nvidia-96. i did this instalation but the screen is not have a 1024-768 resolution
17:30<jonadab>I must be old-fashioned. I just use rm when I want to remove files.
17:30<lukrop>sleser: ok, that's the reason than
17:30<sleser>i havent tryed something on . the linux disk extention 4
17:30<sleser>is it ?
17:30<sleser>not planing to download things in to a linux disk .
17:30<lukrop>sleser: yeah because you are moving between two disks
17:31<sleser>i see
17:31<SamB>and I don't use a compositing WM, except when I'm running X on a Mac
17:31<chealer>sleser: then you can't really accelerate trashing these files, except by transferring them to your trash's partition or using faster storage media.
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17:31<sleser>shift delete . is fine for t hat drive
17:32<SamB>hmm, that's probably why Windows gives every FS it's own recycling bin
17:32<chealer>yoelis: which video card do you use?
17:32<sleser>quik quation . w hat if i convert that disk to extension 4
17:32<lukrop>jedrek: are you running the opensource driver or fglrx?
17:32<sleser>and use it for storage will that eccelerate ? deleting
17:32<lukrop>jedrek: if you don't know you are probably running the opensource one
17:33<jedrek>lukrop, fglrx 14.10
17:33<yoelis>chearle i am used nvidia gforce 420
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17:33<yoelis>i am in antix linux but is debian too
17:33<lukrop>jedrek: ok, i suppose it shouldn't be a graphics driver problem then
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17:34<lukrop>sleser: i don't think so, you are still transfering between two physical devices
17:34<jedrek>lukrop, updating the driver to the newest version didn't help (I did it to fix another issue)
17:34<sleser>i got u
17:34<sleser>thanks for the help folks
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17:35<chealer>yoelis: antix is not Debian.
17:35<chealer>!tell yoelis about antix
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17:36<yoelis>yes i know but the repositori is debian
17:36<SamB>yoelis: show us your sources.list
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17:39<yoelis>yes i did thad but i can't do enithink to change this resolution and my screen is not completly
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17:54<sleser>do you mind guys i have another quick quastion to ask
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17:54<centrx>go for it
17:54<sleser>when downloading a rar. or zip or ... something particular... in to a ntfs drive
17:54<sleser>then when trying to unpack it . it unpacks ones. then from subfolder there more rars to unpack
17:54<sleser>that . wont unpack
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17:55<sleser>im trying the game surgion simulator
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17:55<sleser>it isnt a 1st file gave me this problem
17:55<sleser>there were files. i over downloaded a few times . thinking maby the download curupted
17:56<sleser>download didnt currupt .
17:56<jonadab>What software are you using to unpack the archive? info-zip? Something else?
17:56<sleser>im using arc
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17:57<sleser>extraction failed because of an unexpected error. is what it says
17:58<jonadab>Wait, does arc even handle directory trees? (It didn't used to; but I haven't used it since the mid nineties.)
17:59<sleser>i switched from linux mint to debian . linux mint also used arc . there it worked from folder or subfolders it done the job
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17:59<jonadab>Ok, it's probably been improved a lot since I used it. (Back then, 360K floppies were normal.)
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17:59<sleser>im not trying to do a folder. im going to to t he sub it extracted. then from t here i try the 1st rar . to unpack the rest that finishes with unexpected error it wont even try to do it
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18:01<sleser>is there a way to try from terminal ?
18:01<john_>so i went for it. ended up with black screen
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18:01<sleser>lets say its a 1 gig file ? that will excract in to sub folder. ending up with 50 small rars. then that 50 wont
18:01<jonadab>sleser: Well, the normal way to extract .zip archives is with the unzip command. Not sure about rar.
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18:02<john_>use winrar
18:02<SamB>jonadab: unrar
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18:02<sleser>ill try unrar
18:02<SamB>unfortunately the free one isn't very up-to-date :-(
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18:03<sleser>it seems like unrar is arc or then im mistaking
18:03<john_>At i drivers gave me black screen and I can't remove flex to install the default drivers so I can boot in to gdm3
18:03<sleser>cause apt-get install unrar said . ive already have the new one .
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18:04<chealer>sleser: what do you mean, "unrar is arc"? it's called "Ark", by the way
18:05<sleser>um no im mistaking .unrar is within a terminal use
18:05<sleser>yeh ark
18:05<jonadab>Oh, Ark. That's different from arc. (There's also arj...)
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18:06<sleser>i missed spelled it
18:06<sleser>its ark
18:06<jonadab>Ark is, what, a KDE GUI thing? I think.
18:06<sleser>yeh it is
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18:06<sleser>it used to do t he job . on another distro .
18:06<sleser>ill try to download the file over
18:06<sleser>or download another file
18:06<jonadab>So many archive/compression programs, it's easy to lose track of them all.
18:06<sleser>just to be sure. what the problem is with unpaking
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18:07<sleser>ark taken care of rar zip .
18:07<sleser>i havent tryed others or maby if i did i never payed attention at the format .
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18:09<jonadab>I've personally never encountered a .rar file.
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18:11<sleser>how do i go in to media directory within the terminal ls wont show media
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18:11<sleser>im trying to go there to enter my ntfs. so i can unrar from terminal
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18:12<grok>cd /media
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18:13<sleser>thanks it worked
18:14<jonadab>I've seen .arc, .arj, .zip of course (and .jar and so on derived from it), .tar, .gz, .bz2, .hog (and .sow and .pig), .cpio, .shar, .7z, .cab, .dmg, .lzh and .lha, .sea, .sfx, .sit, but I've never encountered .rar in person.
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18:14<sleser>rar files are everywhere
18:15<jonadab>Umm, sure, everywhere. If you say so.
18:15<sleser>they are very popular. for paking things with
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18:15<jonadab>I guess it's what circles you run in. Most of the archives I see these days are .tar.bz2, and most of the rest are .zip.
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18:16<sleser>if u download a movie its most of the time rar
18:16<sleser>or a game
18:16<sleser>bz is for like a app for linux off a site
18:16<jonadab>If I download a game, it's usually .deb, and if not then probably .tar.bz2
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18:16<sleser>yeh but like off an irc channel its rar
18:17<jonadab>I don't recall ever having downloaded a movie that wasn't .mpeg or .avi or .wmv
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18:17<SamB>what, no .mkv ?
18:17<sleser>mpg is too big and so is avi they usualy pack it
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18:17<sleser>mkv too
18:17<sleser>they comming up with new formates every day
18:17<SamB>or .ogm ?
18:18<jonadab>Oh, I was not really aware that it was possible to download files via IRC.
18:18<sleser>havent seen the ogm
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18:18<jonadab>I think I saw a .theora once.
18:18<sleser>you can download anything you want from irc
18:18<sleser>google it
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18:18<sleser>on xdcc
18:19<jonadab>That might've just been a demo, though, like when the Firefox people were advertising theora/html5 support.
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18:19<sleser>its full stuf
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18:19<sleser>today tho you dont have to download a movie you can watch the same thing on flash
18:19<jonadab>That's Ok. I think I will stick to authoritative sources for things.
18:20<jonadab>Flash, ew. Every time I've installed that plugin I've regretted it.
18:20<sleser>that too
18:20<sleser>install the none free
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18:21<jonadab>sleser: I'm aware that Flash is non-free, but that is not why I hate it.
18:21<jonadab>I hate it because its entire raison detre is to make your computer more annoying.
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18:22<sleser>it is anoying
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18:22<sleser>but when i cannot afford or when my budget is low . ill rather watch it on flash
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18:23<sleser>it all depends. buying a movie . all ull ever do is watch it ones . then itll just lay around the house then couple years later ull just dump it to trash waist of money
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18:23<jonadab>I... don't really understand what budget has to do with anything.
18:23<sleser>well one has to buy the movie to watch it
18:23<jonadab>Oh, wait, are you talking about movies, like, theatre/hollywood movies?
18:23<sleser>any movie
18:24<sleser>let it be an old movie
18:24<jonadab>Who watches that drivel?
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18:24<sleser>i like the black and white flicks
18:24<sleser>the real old school movies
18:24<sleser>they dont even make thouse any more
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18:25<jonadab>I will admit, there have been a handful of Hollywood movies I've liked. Harvey. E.T. Stuff like that.
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18:25<jonadab>But it's such a small number, we just bought them all on VHS at garage sales.
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18:25<jonadab>Or the local public library's used book sale.
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18:26<sleser>how many times can you watch it ?
18:26<sleser>just ones then itll just lay around
18:26<sleser>collecting dust
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18:26<sleser>i prefer flash watching
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18:27<Bungofant>flash watching is ok as long as DRM is not needed... :-/
18:27<sleser>but every person is diferent . when i was younger i was collecting the dvds . i have cases of dvds in my garage collecting moisture and dust and the box is all mesed up falling apart now lol
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18:27<jonadab>sleser: I don't watch movies very often. Maybe once or twice a year. I have other things to do with my time.
18:27<sleser>the place i watch nothing is needed
18:29<sleser>there sites who stream their fliks without signing up there sites who want you to sign up .
18:29<sleser>ill go with the one without.
18:29<sleser>there plenty sites out there
18:29<sleser>brb im trying to unrar within terminal
18:30<Bungofant>good luck
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18:31<sleser>unrar didnt work ether
18:31<sleser>bad archive
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18:32<sleser>i think my fstab . permition is not good
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18:32<sleser>i think when downloading its writing not good
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18:32<sleser>is that posible ?
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18:33<Bungofant>don't know... sounds strange
18:33<Bungofant>how large is the file?
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18:33<sleser>300 mb one rar then after extract is little files around 20 rars in there all together thouse 20 are like 320 mb
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18:34<sleser>i cant fully unpack the ones that extracted to subfolder
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18:34<Bungofant>sounds like an archive bomb :->
18:34<sleser>not sure what it is ill download some other rar again for testing
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18:35<Bungofant>did you download it via ftp?
18:35<sleser>via irc
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18:35<Bungofant>ok, so ftp ascii mode is not the problem...
18:35<DarkUranium>woah, people still download stuff via irc? =O
18:35<sleser>i havent tryed ftp
18:36<Bungofant>DarkUranium: 300 MB... sounds thrustworthy ;)
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18:37<sleser>people always been downloading from irc and its always out there
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18:37<famelis>I cannot start docker container on debian sid amd64
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18:38<famelis>I get: mkdir /sys/fs/devices: operation not permitted
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18:39<LtL>sleser: its very risky getting files via IRC but you seem to like living dangerously
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18:39<famelis>is this a debian problem or to move to freenode #docker?
18:40<sleser>torent is dangarous compared to irc
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18:40<sleser>it isnt an underground sins its all over the google.
18:40<DarkUranium>Bungofant: 100% legit!
18:40<sleser>so . if it were dangerous google supose to ban it from their page
18:41<LtL>sleser: both are less than desirable
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18:41<DarkUranium>sleser: you do realize that Google doesn't have people manually auditing every single link, right?
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18:41<sleser>that i dont know im not like a computer genius
18:42<sleser>if i were . then id be probbably bigger then google
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18:42<sleser>and im not sure how people auditing
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18:43<sleser>if its there ill go see it
18:43<jonadab>sleser: It depends. If you're downloading something inert, like a .txt file, it doesn't matter where you get it (in terms of computer security).
18:44<DarkUranium>sleser: Google almost definitely has billions of webpages linked; do you really think they could audit that? :P
18:44<DarkUranium>sleser: esp. dynamic content, as a page might be safe today, but malicious tomorrow
18:44<sleser>that i dont know
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18:44<DarkUranium>(and/or the program in it)
18:44<DarkUranium>sleser: hint: they don't employ billions of people.
18:45<sleser>thouse things . i dont know .
18:45<Bungofant>they do, but the NSA won't tell. ;)
18:45<sleser>not in to computer politics
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18:46<sleser>im just a user if its out there ill go use it
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18:46<sleser>hanging around u guys i might learn things better
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18:48<DarkUranium>Bungofant: lol
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18:51<Bungofant>*playing with lxde*
18:52<DarkUranium>not a fan myself
18:52<devil>if you want to play, play with lxqt, the new kid in town
18:52<Bungofant>i like it because of it's speed
18:53<Bungofant>lxqt? *idea*
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18:54<DarkUranium>Bungofant: I don't really find lxde that fast
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18:54<DarkUranium>Bungofant: I quite like xfce though, and I've been trying to get used to i3 (... I just need to find a good key config)
18:54<Bungofant>ok, it runs fast on my el cheapo notebook inside a virtualbox
18:54<sleser>can i pastebin tthe fstab ? for an expert to chek the ntfs read write permition if its set rite on my screen ?
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18:55<Bungofant>xfce is nice, too
18:56<Bungofant>i had xubuntu running for a few months
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18:58<abrotman>sleser: what are we looking for ?
18:58<devil>sleser: you could change ntfs tio ntfs-3g if that is installed
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18:59<sleser>like . i think when im downloading a large file it downloads and gets curupted
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18:59<sleser>if it has something to do with permitions ?
18:59<sleser>that is what im looking to chek
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18:59<devil>sleser: ntfs-3g has, yes, but stuff gettingb corrupted does not
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19:00<sleser>on my fstab . is the permition to write . open ?
19:00<sleser>and yeh i have ntfs 3g installed
19:01<devil>i have a hard time to read you. what's with all the . in your sentences?
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19:02<sleser>you mean with my spelling ?
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19:02<devil>yes, I am not a native speaker and it makes no sense to me
19:02<grummund>Hi, can the debian installer create dm-crypt/LUKS encrypted partitions without LVM?
19:03<grummund>or is it a case of use LVM or you're on your own?
19:03<sleser>im just not a perfect speller
19:03<devil>sleser: I am speaking of thwe useless dots in your spelling
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19:04<sleser>ill use comma next time . im just trying to separate . and fit all in to one sentence
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19:07<devil>so what is the problem with your ntfs drive? is that internal btw?
19:07<sleser>internal hd
19:07<sleser>downloading a rar . gets curupted when it writes to hd
19:07<devil>that has nothing to do with fstab
19:08<sleser>i cant unpack it after the download , it unpacks the very first file then ones in subfolders thouse wont unpack
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19:08<somiaj>sleser: are you using ntfs-3g or the deault ntfs driver in the kernel?
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19:08<sleser>i have ntfs-3g installed but on my fstab it just set ntfs
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19:08<sleser>like i pastebined it
19:08<somiaj>then change it to be ntfs-3g
19:08<sleser>ill try
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19:27<sleser>replacing the ntfs to ntfs-3g . i have improovements on mooving a file to trash . its faster . now
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19:27<sleser>takes a 20 second compared to 2 3 minutes
19:27<sleser>thank you guys
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19:33<kumul>why dont the debian iso's come compressed?
19:34<kumul>i'm pretty sure it would save a bit of bandwidth for everyone seeding
19:35<centrx>ISOs never seem to be compressed
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19:35<centrx>Also, if you are concerned about bandwidth, use the net install
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19:37<kumul>centrx, debian is the best distro for offline instalations, people with slow internet, now imagine something going wrong and having to do that again...
19:38<centrx>Downloads can be continued
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19:38<centrx>I doubt an ISO can be compressed very much
19:38<centrx>and it would have to be zip for people downloading on Windows
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19:39<kumul>... the hell?
19:39<kumul>who has windows without rar or 7zip?
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19:40<centrx>rar and 7zip are basically never used on Linux
19:40<dondelelcaro>kumul: they're already compressed
19:40<kumul>i will compress it and tell you how much space it saved
19:40<dondelelcaro>kumul: or at least, everything in it is already compressed
19:40<dondelelcaro>you might be able to squeeze a few megabytes out of it, but it's not clear that it's worth the cycles to do that
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19:46<centrx>kumul, 30MB
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19:47<centrx>kumul, Already compressed so more fits on the CD in the first place
19:47<centrx>That's probably why I never see software ISOs being compressed
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21:03<SamB>compressing Debian ISOs would probably not save a whole lot; mostly they consist of .deb (or possibly .orig.tar.*) files anyway, which are already compressed
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21:16<noneofmynickswork>SamB, yes, i tried compressing, it only saved 100mb, its really not worth the hassle
21:17<noneofmynickswork>another question, i see theres the 3 debian DVD's but only 2 DVD's for the update
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21:19<centrx>noneofmynickswork, Any reason you can't use the net install?
21:19<themill>!update cd
21:19<dpkg>Debian update CDs/DVDs contain all the packages that changed between the initial release (e.g. 7.0, 6.0) and a later point release. These are not installation images and therefore not bootable; ask me about <install debian> for installation images. To use an update CD/DVD, ask me about <apt-cdrom> and <dist-upgrade>.
21:21<noneofmynickswork>centrx, i only have blank dvd's
21:22<ananth123>as long as you have a working net connection, you can use the net install
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21:26<noneofmynickswork>if im gonna burn a dvd i might as well make it count?
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21:28<sney>if you have a blank dvd burning a hole in your pocket, get dvd1, why not? but download it via torrent so you don't waste a mirror's bandwidth (also the torrent will be faster)
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21:29<sney>but you don't need dvd2 or 3 etc unless your system will have no internet connection
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23:11<anony>good morning or what is at your place! o/
23:11<anony>time it is*
23:11<sney>good localtime to you too
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23:15<dpkg>Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 284 (2013-10-07).
23:15<chealer>dpkg: qotd0
23:15<dpkg><toggle> by the way I don't have man installed..
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23:16<chealer>dpkg: qotd285 is <reply><sleser> i missed spelled it
23:16<dpkg>okay, chealer
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23:18<dpkg>Test failed.
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23:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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23:42<anony>i think i might have found something kinda cool and bachelors all over the world have a new thing to do to minimize laundry
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23:43<anony>take a towel on ur back around to ur front like a poncho, take some clips or whatever and seal it in place. hell yeah, use it like that everyday and dont use shirts!
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23:45<somiaj>anony: take it to #debian-offtopic (:
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