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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-05-24

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00:24<ncl>If I've modified some system stuff, can I tell dpkg not to replace it on upgrading, or at least to ask as it does with /etc conf stuff
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00:55<somiaj>ncl: what system stuff are you modifying? You should really only be modifing config files which dpkg will notice if you change
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01:01<ncl>somiaj: init files
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01:04<somiaj>ncl: afiak those should be considered as config files, but you could always say make your own custom initscript, and update-rc.d foo disable the real one so even if it is there it doesn't get run.
01:06<somiaj>I'd assume a similar thing could be done with systemd, but I haven't messed with that to much
01:08<ncl>Ah, I thought init files were treated different from the other configuration files in /etc
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01:11<ncl>Also, every time update-rc.d is run, it removes my manual boot ordering (as suggested in https://www.debian-administration.org/articles/629), is there a way to stop this behaviour?
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01:17<somiaj>ncl: change the LSB headers so the defaults are setup correctly
01:18<somiaj>on wheezy onward, the headers are used to create the order of the links so they probably get shuffleed around depending on what things depend on what
01:19<somiaj>that link is a bit old, seems to be how it was in squeeze and before
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01:22<ncl>Well I prefer that the script starts last (before rc.local I guess), it doesn't really require that it runs after its current ordering
01:23<ncl>It creates a spike in resource usage for a few seconds, so I thought it'd make more sense to start (near-)last, I guess I could just add $all to the lsb headers anyway
01:23<somiaj>yea I'm unsure how to force a paticular order, I thought the order was generated based on dependencies
01:25<SamB>somiaj: it is
01:26<ncl>Yeah, but ordering based just on dependencies isn't always specific enough
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01:55<ncl>somiaj: seems dpkg did silently replace /etc/rc
01:55<ncl>er, /etc/init.d/rc
01:55<ncl>everything else the md5s match though, although I guess rc should have been expected
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03:07<firma>hi there
03:09<firma>I'm trying to run pam-auth-update connecting through putty and I can't select ok by using the arrow keys. Anyone got a hint on how to do that? Or should just pressing enter do the trick?
03:10<firma>as a matter of fact, I can't un-select the preselected options either
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03:11<weasel>maybe you can navigate using the tab key?
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03:12<firma>genius, thank you
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03:53<jesse-bob>Have libc6 version 2.13. Need version 2.14+ to run an application.
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03:54<jesse-bob>*glibc6
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03:55<somiaj>jesse-bob: you don't want to upgrade your libc6 on wheezy, what application do you need? Can you compile the source and link it against 2.13?
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03:56<jesse-bob>It's Spotify. I've read the upgrading glibc is a big no-no.
03:56<jesse-bob>So that's why I stopped by here.
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03:59<somiaj>yea don't know the app, so not sure the best course from here
03:59<lupine>such fun
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03:59<lupine>when steam needed a recent glibc, I have vague memories of unpacking one somewhere custom and LD_LIBRARY_PATH=...
03:59<lupine>hard work, neither steam nor spotify are worth it
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04:01<imaleaf>isn't it possible to make a deb that grabs spotify and does all the relevant modifications?
04:01<jesse-bob>If I knew that it would never happen again, I would disagree with you but it seems like each new update to Spotify creates a mountain between me and my music.
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04:01<lupine>piracy > *
04:02<imaleaf>eheh
04:02<jesse-bob>imaleaf, there are scripts but I have no idea what they do. I like to see what goes on behind the scenes instead of relying on scripts.
04:02<somiaj>you could try to run it in a jessie chroot or something like that.
04:02<imaleaf>jesse-bob: I was implying you could make one :p
04:03<jesse-bob>lupine, I feel so dirty when I use pirated things. I'll admit that I have done it but since Spotify, my conscience is clearer and I don't feel as bad.
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04:04<lupine>*shrug*
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04:08<jesse-bob>on with the making of my own. I like the chroot idea and I'll look into the LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. . . WINE isn't holding up it's weight (I can't listen to any other sounds while Spotify plays). May do a virtualbox of Ubuntu.
04:08<lupine>wine into pulseaudio should permit multiple sources
04:09<imaleaf>giving it the proper paths with a compatible set of libraries should be fine enough
04:09<jesse-bob>It's eating my RAM, hogging audio access, and half of the UI doesn't show up correctly.
04:10<jesse-bob>will try imaleaf.
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04:10<somiaj>alsa should also have dmix setup so multiple sources could work.
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04:12<somiaj>so the 'stable' spotify repo has a version of spotify that depends on a libc6 not in stable, wouldn't be that hard for them to make a version linked against stable's libc6 if that is what they are building for.
04:12<jesse-bob>When Spotify ran natively, it did allow other sources of audio to play (I played music in the background of lectures to keep them interesting). Now when i run it on WINE, any flash or VLC content I try to play doesn't have sound.
04:12<imaleaf>are things set to use pulseaudio by default?
04:13<somiaj>hmm, they even say it is packaged for squeeze, maybe I'm looking at an outdated page, but maybe you should file a bug report to them letting them know
04:13<somiaj>imaleaf: gnome will pull it in by default
04:13<imaleaf>or are they using alsa directly
04:13<imaleaf>ah
04:14<jesse-bob>When I first installed it was running through pulse. Then I changed a setting in the config file b/c the volume in program UIs would change the system volume. That was very annoying at times.
04:14<jesse-bob>I don't think that disabled pulse though.
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04:29<Guest11497>how do i edit sources.list? ive tried doing as root with no success.
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04:31<masterx>root@computer:/etc/apt# gedit sources.list
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04:31<masterx>than it says No protocol specified
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04:31<masterx>Cannot open display:
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04:33<imaleaf>define no success?
04:33<imaleaf>ah sorry, didn't see that line
04:33<imaleaf>simplify: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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04:37<masterx>imaleaf, cool nano worked!
04:37<masterx>thanks
04:37<imaleaf>:)
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04:38<masterx>was pretty easy to figure it out too
04:39<masterx>now i have linux mint repo in sources.list :)
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04:48<devil>masterx: everyone kills their install in their own way
04:49<imaleaf>lol!
04:50<masterx>thats ok just having fun :)
04:50<masterx>got firefox and flash running
04:51<masterx>from mint repo
04:51<devil>oh, I forgot, debian haqs no flash or iceweasel...
04:51<devil>-q
04:51<masterx>i know thats why i needed to add mint repo
04:52<devil>*sigh*
04:52<masterx>what u guys running? im on debian 7.5 wheezy kde
04:52<masterx>64bit
04:53<devil>I run unstable and flash and iceweasel from debian (for a decade, btw.)
04:53<masterx>huh?
04:53<devil>so, Mint is NOT debian and it will likely break your install
04:53<masterx>lol
04:53<imaleaf>iceweasel is debian's rebranding of firefox
04:54<devil>plus mint has their own understanding of security. luckily for you that is not important for flash or firefox ;)
04:54<masterx>mine came with konqueror
04:54<devil>mine what?
04:54<imaleaf>an advantage of using iceweasel, is that you're at least four releases behind, and as a result, you get to enjoy firefox before it was good.
04:54<devil>imaleaf: i run iceweasel 32
04:54<devil>err, 31
04:55<devil>so not behind but ahead
04:55<imaleaf>devil: that's great, if you feel like risking a mix of stable/testing and unstable
04:55<imaleaf>I've quite learned that lesson :p
04:55<masterx>mine = debian wheezy 7.5 kde
04:55<devil>imaleaf: pure unstable
04:55<devil>imaleaf: why would i want stable and testing?
04:55<imaleaf>meh, not worth it to me
04:56<imaleaf>you wouldn't
04:56<devil>right
04:56<imaleaf>but I run testing, and on occasion would like an unstable package
04:56<imaleaf>it never works out, though
04:56<masterx>konqueror can run flash right?
04:56<imaleaf>masterx: yes, but you should install flash properly.
04:57<devil>masterx: sure it can
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04:57<masterx>im not too worried about my system just testing it out, will do a clean install again soon
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04:58<masterx>been a long time user of linux mint now trying out debian
04:58<imaleaf>masterx: might want to look into virtualbox if you plan to do a lot of experimenting, just to keep your sanity
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05:00<masterx>yeah i have some experiance with vb
05:01<masterx>it does limit u in some things
05:01<masterx>for testing
05:02<masterx>any how to links for installing flash on konqueror
05:02<masterx>?
05:03<imaleaf>not really..you can run everything in it except high end 3d graphical software, if you happen to have the wrong gpu
05:03<imaleaf>just
05:03<imaleaf>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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05:03<Ozzie>Hi.
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05:04<imaleaf>sup
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05:06<masterx>hi
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05:07<Ozzie>How can I activate AHCI support in D7. I installed it with BIOS SATA AHCI mode, but system no boot because AHCI was not activate by default.
05:08<imaleaf>look up kernel boot parameters and grub cfg
05:08<masterx>wow success i installed flash in konqueror
05:08<masterx>cool
05:09<Ozzie>imaleaf, what should I look at, and how can I fix it?
05:09<devil>Ozzie: I doubt that. what is your setup? uefi? extra boot-partition?
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05:10<Ozzie>devil, no UEFI. No boot partition.
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05:10<devil>Ozzie: that should work ootb then, if enabled in your bios
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05:11<masterx>is there somehting like this for debian? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
05:11<Ozzie>devil, but it isnt. :(
05:11<devil>Ozzie: any errors?
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05:12<Ozzie>devil, Grub can not find the system to boot.
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05:12<devil>Ozzie: and why do you think, it is ahci related?
05:13<masterx>which is lighter xfce or lxde?
05:13<imaleaf>grub cannot find the system to boot, or is grub never loaded to begin with?
05:13<devil>lxde by far
05:13<Ozzie>devil, because if I change BIOS to ATA mode D7 boots fine.
05:13<imaleaf>xfce gets my vote for doing everything one needs
05:14<masterx>so im guessing xfce in more stable?
05:14<devil>Ozzie: yes, but that does not mean, it is not activated in debian. it is.
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05:14<Ozzie>imaleaf, grub cannot find it.
05:14<devil>jmcnaught: why would you assume that?
05:14<devil>err
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05:14<devil>masterx: why would you assume that?
05:14<imaleaf>also lxde's apache configuration for their website is wrong, always not a great sign
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05:15<imaleaf>Ozzie: if grub is loaded, I'm pretty sure that means it's not ahci related..
05:15<masterx>dont know so which is more stable?
05:15<imaleaf>masterx: xfce
05:15<devil>masterx: what does stable mean for you?
05:16<devil>*sigh*
05:16<masterx>um
05:16<masterx>solid
05:16*devil leaves due to too much FUD
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05:17<masterx>well ive tried debian gnome and now kde, now im thinking of xfce
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05:18<masterx>kde seems slower than gnome on my pc
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05:19<masterx>FUD?
05:19<imaleaf>devil: seriously? :P
05:19<masterx>wtf is FUD?
05:19<imaleaf>fear, uncertainty and doubt
05:19<Ozzie>imaleaf, all I read makes me think that is the problem. How can I probe ahci is on? Kernel module, grub config?
05:20<imaleaf>masterx: just try them all, then. see for yourself :)
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05:22<imaleaf>Ozzie: why not just disable ahci in the bios and confirm?
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05:23<masterx>i just want something lightweight since my pc is slow
05:24<Ozzie>imaleaf, If I disable ahci D7 boots fine, but I cannot leave it like that cause W7 is installed and no boots without achi enabled.
05:25<imaleaf>masterx: install several different wm's, and choose between them at login until you find what you like
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05:27<imaleaf>Ozzie: did you install in ide mode, and then switch to ahci?
05:27<imaleaf>and was there anything abnormal about your installation, is it a macintosh, etc?
05:27<Ozzie>imaleaf, Nop, both systems was installed with ahci mode enabled.
05:28<towo`>linux should not ave any problem with installing in ide-mode and switching to ahci after that
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05:36<Ozzie>Someone tell me the other day add MODULES="ahci" at /etc/mkinitcpio.conf and then run mkinitcpio -p kernel26 but that not make the trick.
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05:42<Ozzie>Any ideas?
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05:48<Ozzie>I did lsmod and no ahci module loaded. Should I see it or it doesn't matter?
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05:50<imaleaf>clearly it isn't loading for some reason, you'll have to find out why
05:54<Ozzie>Can I force it to load at boot or to be included with the other modules changing some file?
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05:55<imaleaf>does modprobe ahci work?
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05:56<Ozzie>Let me try.
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06:00<Ozzie>AHCI module loaded. Should I included in a file or recreate my initrd.img?
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06:02<imaleaf>it does sound like it's not included in your initrd for whatever reason, so I suppose you should rebuild it with it in there
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06:03<Ozzie>How can I rebuild it with it in?
06:03<imaleaf>Ozzie: meh too tired, google that :) debian has a ton of documentation for all of that, and if it doesn't, the archlinux wiki does
06:04<Ozzie>Ok. Thank you.
06:05<Ozzie>Thanks chatroom.
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07:41<xman>help
07:42<petn-randall>welcome to #debian, xman. Do you have a support question regarding Debian?
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08:21<user124141>Hi, i moved a file ( mv file.txt ... ) with 3 dots. where can I find that file now?
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08:22<firma>try mv ... file.txt and see what ahppens
08:22<user124141>firma: thanks, but where was the file?
08:23<firma>basically moved to a file named "..."
08:23<user124141>ah k, thought there would be another shortcut
08:23<firma>the synta of mv is mv <source> <target>
08:24<user124141>firma: i wanted ../../
08:24<user124141>^
08:24<firma>well then you should have used tha ;)
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09:40<Aspi>how can I quickly check if I have the correct password for an user? sounds very suspicious, but I need a way to check if root's password is "root" (unchanged), and will then enforce changing password. so it's better than you feared :)
09:40<Aspi>BASH script
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09:51<ROVER>hello
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10:40<juanantonio>search install
10:40<abrotman>what?
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10:43<juanantonio>hello
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10:44<juanantonio>bye
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10:46<juanantonio>hello
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10:48<juanantonio>install search
10:48<juanantonio>search
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11:47<Hemant>hi
11:47<Hemant>anyone using cyberoam client in ubuntu
11:48<centrx>!ubuntu
11:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
11:48<Hemant>anyone using cyberoam client wifi in ubuntu ??
11:48<abrotman>Hemant: this is #debian, we don't support Ubuntu here.
11:48<Hemant>please help i need help
11:48<Hemant>ok thnx
11:48<abrotman>Hemant: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
11:49<Hemant>ok thanq
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11:53<Hemant>helo no one reply in ubuntu server
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11:54<abrotman>Hemant: that's not our problem, we don't support Ubuntu here.
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11:54<Hemant>i 'm new in ubuntu
11:54-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
11:54-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@111.93.244.130] by abrotman
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11:54<abrotman>Hemant: we do not support Ubuntu here, use #ubuntu or ##linux on irc.freenode.net
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11:55<centrx>Hemant, That channel is usually very active, so wait a bit
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12:03<tkf>good morning
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12:50<SamB>oh no; my /home filesystem is having issues :-(
12:50<sney>good thing you have backups right
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13:17*SamB considers rebooting so fsck will run ...
13:18<sney>log out, log in as root, unmount /home and fsck it?
13:18<SamB>hmm
13:19<SamB>I guess I could do that; would killing all the connected sshd's be the easiest way?
13:19<nkuttler>or slay <user>
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13:20<sney>or ifdown and wait for them all to time out, assuming you have local access
13:20<SamB>local access requires messing with cables
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13:20<SamB>though I guess I could plug it back in again and then connect
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13:25<SamB>hmm, slay works nice though
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13:29<SamB>the memo was none-too-reliably delivered, though
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13:33<SamB>"The option is ignored when used for multiple devices or for non-rotating disks" -- really? Does that include flash, or only layered devices?
13:33*SamB is looking at -l in fsck(8)
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13:39*SamB wonders if sudo does anything when run as root
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13:39<SamB>(without any flags, I mean)
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13:42<SamB> * Fixed e2fsck to not issue a large number of very scary (but
13:42<SamB> harmless) corruption messages when checking very large file systems
13:42<SamB> when the file system has more inodes than the number of seconds
13:42<SamB> since January 1, 1970.
13:42-!-SamB was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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13:42<SamB>oops, forgot about the line limit ...
13:43*SamB would have trimmed the newlines if he'd remembered
13:43<SamB>anyway I just found that entry in the e2fsprogs changelog amusing
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13:47<SamB>nkuttler: thanks for the tip, it was quite handy
13:50<nkuttler>;) i like slaying
13:51<SamB>hmm, I have some dangling X windows though
13:51<SamB>oh well, I'll xkill them later
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14:13<onitaL>Hi. after running apt-get install packagename I get: E: Failed to fetch http//...... "Size mismatch E: Some files failed to download" but then download the .deb manually, unzip it, and run md5sum -c control/logitechmediaserver_7.8.1~1400214751_all/md5sums |aand get no error. Does this mean everything is ok? http://paste.debian.net/101603/
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14:15<centrx>onitaL, Since it's a third-party repository, the easy answer (and not unlikely) is the repository is messed up
14:15<centrx>onitaL, Also, did you run apt-get update beforehand?
14:15<onitaL>yes
14:16<onitaL>if the repo es messed up, that doesn't mean the package is wrong, right?
14:17<sney>not directly
14:17<sney>it could still be incompatible or break other parts of your system etc... but repo and package problems are separate
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14:18<onitaL>ok, good. Yeah, it isn't perfectly packaged, but I've been using that repo and package for years, so I trust them
14:18<onitaL>thanks guys
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14:22<onitaL>could I have done that checksum without unzipping the .deb?
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14:36<spippi>hi at all comunity
14:36<spippi>anyone know where is the setting of account in xcfe?
14:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 682] by debhelper
14:37<sney>I don't think xfce has any gui for account settings
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14:38<spippi>infact
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14:39<spippi>ok if i want install a lxde and remove xcfe system clean all file or it's better format and install from begin
14:40<sney>xfce is pretty small, just install lxde and you can choose them at login
14:41<sney>you can have as many window managers and desktop environments installed as you want at the same time. they don't conflict with each other. all you need is a little bit of disk space.
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14:46<SamB>sney: well, they clutter the menus I expect
14:47<sney>meh, lxde and xfce don't much
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14:47<SamB>well, I mean, if you were to install e.g. ALL of the WMs
14:47<SamB>that'd surely clutter some menus a bit
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14:50<SamB>hmm, what's a nice pastebin tool given sprunge seems to have forgotten to renew their DNS or something
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14:53<kman>Is this for real.
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14:53<sney>SamB: paste.debian.net ?
14:54<SamB>I guess I can just keep using pastebinit for now
14:54<SamB>sney: I meant the client end
14:54<sney>oh
14:54<SamB>sprunge had that nice alias on their page
14:54<sney>didn't know sprunge had a client
14:54<SamB>just a short alias command using curl
14:55<SamB>(did they have a web form too?)
14:56<musca>kind of .. a little js snippet opening an input box
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15:01<musca>SamB: pastebinit -b paste.debian.net
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15:02<SamB>so, did anyone reportbug the stupid default yet?
15:02<SamB>(what happened?)
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15:02<sney>yes, it was fixed for wheezy iirc
15:02<SamB>(that might technically be a -next question)
15:02<sney>the -b paste.debian.net was squeeze and earlier only
15:02<sney>(it will still accept that argument though)
15:03<SamB>well yes, of course it won't complain if you pass an argument that happens to be the default
15:03<SamB>clearly if you do that you just aren't certain of the default
15:04<sney>yeah so people like musca who didn't track the changes didn't get any particular notification
15:04<sney>and just kept on keepin on
15:04<SamB>sney: anyway, the changelog implies that it's supposed to be defaulting to pastebin.com since 1.3-4, though that version at least does not appear to actually do so
15:04<sney>:P
15:05<SamB>either that, or I suck at reading
15:06<sney>oh weird
15:06<sney>was probably changed back for 1.4 and he forgot to mention it in the changelog
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15:06<SamB>well, it's not *true* of 1.3-4
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15:07<sney>vov dunno then. too bad dh can't check the veracity of changelogs along with their format
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15:08<SamB>anyway, um, I have some "fsck -v -n" output at http://paste.debian.net/101616/
15:08<SamB>... should I just say "yes" about clearing each of those inodes?
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15:09<SamB>or wait is that all the same inode
15:09<sney>that is all the same inode.
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15:09<sney>well there's a second one at the end
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15:10<SamB>the "Too many [...]\nClear inode? no\n\nSuppress messages? no\n\n" bits threw me
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15:11<SamB>I'm curious what those inodes are
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15:20<tkf>do you have backups?
15:20<tkf>heh
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15:41<rryoumaa>is there a cli program that is like grep but you can include more than one search term, they can be in any order, and they can match anything in {the whole document, each line, each line and nearby lines}, all without indexing?
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15:42<adler-ss>ola
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15:59*SamB wonders why debugfs' "ncheck" command spends so much time after having returned results for all requested inodes
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16:05<SamB>oh, I guess partly it wants to list ALL links ...
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16:17<spippi>what's i must choice for install lxde
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16:20<lostatwork>apt-get install task-desktop-lxde
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16:21<lostatwork>or is it task-llxde-desktop
16:21<lostatwork>one of those 2
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16:22<mdik>hi. which file(s) does dpkg --get-selections get its info from?
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16:25<spippi>i search in manager of packet i find lxde
16:26<spippi>but there is too task
16:26<spippi>must install it?
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16:29<mdik>spippi: no
16:29*SamB grumbles about e2fsck not being able to list all the inodes with illegal blocks ...
16:30<spippi>mdik
16:30<spippi>i must install only task
16:31<mdik>spippi: if you are not fluent in english, try using more words so people get a better understanding about what you want to achieve and what your questions are
16:31<spippi>ok
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16:31<spippi> i have remove all
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16:34<petn-randall>spippi: Or, if you tell us what your native languagea is, we can point you to the right Debian channel for you.
16:34<spippi>i'm in the right channel
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16:35<SamB>spippi: you're a native english speaker, or there is no channel for your native tongue?
16:35<SamB>(where "tongue" means "language")
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16:35<spippi>i want install lxde what's the name of the correct package?
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16:35<petn-randall>spippi: "lxde"
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16:36<FlowRiser>spippi, or task-lxde-desktop
16:36<FlowRiser>if you jsut want the DE
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16:50<spippi>lxde is a metapackage, task-lxde-desktop dektop ambient
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16:50<spippi>what's correct
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16:52<centrx>spippi, task-lxde-desktop will install a number of other things that you might want in a desktop system
16:53<centrx>spippi, lxde is a subset of task-lxde-desktop ("task-lxde-desktop" depends on "lxde")
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16:56<Octav>Hello, some one know why I get blank page with nginx and php5-fpm? HTMLs page work ...
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16:57<spippi>ok thanks i have another problem. click in my touchpad not work
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17:24<dana_>Hello
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17:25<dana_>how can i install skype ?
17:25<devil>from their website
17:25<dana_>but tar.gz ?
17:25<devil>no, they have debs
17:25<dana_>i dont know what it is ?
17:25<centrx>Personally I would use the tar.gz and keep it in my home directory
17:25<devil>deb is the debian package format
17:26<devil>download the deb and install it with dpkg -i foo.deb && apt-get -f install
17:27<ixi>I'd download tar.gz and deal with dependencies manually
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18:49<threetwentysix>there are 3 .torrent dvd images on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/i386/bt-dvd/ , do i download all three and burn them to 3 seperate discs?
18:50<stripe>threetwentysix, I think you just need the first one
18:50<threetwentysix>alright
18:51<stripe>threetwentysix, I always just use the first CD image and have not had any problems
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18:51<threetwentysix>ok, i’ll do that then
18:51<threetwentysix>thanks
18:52<stripe>threetwentysix, just make sure its the desktop you want
18:52<threetwentysix>yeah
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19:08<treaki>hi
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19:09<ki7mt>question, does base Debian installation install the yelp-tools and / or yelp-xls XSL stylesheets?
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19:09<treaki>i have just build a library packages with checkinstall
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19:10<treaki>the problem is only that i have to type in ldconfig myself after installing it
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19:10<centrx>ki7mt, What do you mean by "base Debian installation"? I would consider that term to not include anything related to GNOME whatsoever
19:10<treaki>how do i create a .deb which will do that by itself?
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19:10<centrx>dpkg, tell treaki about nmg
19:11<centrx>treaki, There should be something in that guide about making a "post-installation script" or somesuch
19:11<ki7mt>treaki, that's always the case with checkinstall, there's hook options for that though.
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19:11<ki7mt>centrx, If I were to do the a basic Debian desktop install, are those packages installed as part of the base manifest? I suppose I could go look at the manifest.
19:12<treaki>which guide?
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19:12<treaki>where can i find it?
19:12<ki7mt>man checkinstall
19:13<centrx>treaki, dpkg should have just send you message about the "New Maintainer's Guide", but I am assuming checkinstall actually creates some kind of deb package, I may be mistaken, it seems like ki7mt might know more
19:14<centrx>ki7mt, It would only be if you select to install a Desktop environment, and I'm not sure it is then either for "yelp" packages
19:14<ki7mt>That's the purpose of checkinstall, create a .deb / .rpm / .pkg for Slackware using a source package.
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19:15<ki7mt>centrx, Ok thanks. Yes, this would be in a desktop env. What is the default DE?
19:16<ki7mt>treaki, also look into using auto-apt in conjunction with checkinstall.
19:17<treaki>i couldn’t find any information about at man checkinstall... maybe i have overlooked something...
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19:19<ki7mt>Basically, Im trying to use an XML based document for /usr/share/<pkg-name>/ .. rather than a data-uri.html version. Yelp is pretty simple to implement, so though about that as an option for packaging.
19:19<treaki>sorry, but i dont understand how auto-apt could help me. i dont want to use a tool which checks the file access of other programs for missing libs...
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19:20<ki7mt>treaki, here's the Ub version, I'd have to go look up Debian: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man8/checkinstall.8.html
19:20<centrx>ki7mt, Gnome is the default
19:21<ki7mt>centrx, Ok, then I expect yelp, yelp-tools and yelp-xsl is installed as that is what they use with Mallard, thanks.
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19:21<centrx>cool
19:22<treaki>ki7mt, i have the same information on my computer... ive already read them and found no info about adding post install commands/scripts to a deb file...
19:23<ki7mt>treaki, so your looking for an automaked hook for ldconfig post installation using checkinstall ?
19:25<SamB>(... maybe really packaging would be simpler?)
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19:26<treaki>sounds like, i want to have just install the .deb and then ldconfig should be executed while installing the deb
19:26<ki7mt>Yeah, checkinstall shouldn't be used as the primary installation method, it's a dev too, but all to often folks use it to install personal .deb .. just: sudo checkinstall <pkg-name> && ldconfig
19:26<ki7mt>.. dev-tool .. ..
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19:27<ki7mt>assuming of course the library is installed to a location that's in the users search paths.
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19:34*SamB hopes most of the errors fsck has found were just from stuff that didn't actually get initialized yet ...
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19:35<treaki>its get installed to my "system library path" set by /etc/ld.so.conf.d/. is there also a user specific search path for librarys?
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19:37<ki7mt>treaki, I suppose you could just write up a shell script wrapper that calls checkinstall to build the .deb, or if the lib is required to build call ldconfig before hand then build it against the LDFLAGS
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19:39<ki7mt>like: export LDFLAGS="-lsome-nifty-lib" or whatever you need to build.
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19:50<SamB>HOME: ... (inode #2083391, mod time Tue Aug 18 13:42:52 1970)
19:50<SamB>... a likely mod time
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20:00<masterx>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree does not work, i think i have to add to repo so whats the deb url?
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20:02<masterx>never mind
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20:35<WUKONS>kads on?
20:35<WUKONS>uj
20:35<WUKONS>wrong channell
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20:41<masterx>my sound does not work. help?
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20:43<Nemoder>!alsa-checklist
20:43<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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21:03<yetistomps>thank you qman
21:04<yetistomps>bah.. wrong server.
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21:09<creampuff>I have a custom kernel problem in wheezy whats the best channel to ask about it?
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21:22<BlackDragon421>Hello.
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21:25<BlackDragon421>Hello.
21:25<creampuff>hello
21:26<creampuff>Do you know any thing about compileing a kernel under wheezy
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21:27<creampuff>I compiled a 3.14.3 it was new when i downloaded it
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21:28<creampuff>It works rightup to starting x
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21:29<BlackDragon421>Graphics error?
21:29<creampuff>I dont know it says no /usr/bin/x
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21:30<creampuff>I uninstalled and reinstalled xorg
21:30<creampuff>Before i did that all i got was a black screen
21:32<BlackDragon421>Did you customize the kernel at all, or is it pretty much stock?
21:32<creampuff>It shold be the same as stock
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21:33<creampuff>I built it the debian way
21:33<BlackDragon421>:-D
21:33<creampuff>I copyed the config to the source dir
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21:36<creampuff>The stack kernel boots fine no problems
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21:36<creampuff>STOCK sorry
21:37<BlackDragon421>Have you read the Debian Kernel Handbook?
21:38<creampuff>As much as as about compileing a custom kernel
21:39<BlackDragon421>That helped me a little. I'm a little rusty at kernel compilation? Used to do it some time back, but I've gotten a little lazy.
21:40<creampuff>Its pretty ruff stuf
21:40<BlackDragon421>It's all Mircoshaft Winblows fault...
21:40<themill>there's not really any point
21:41<BlackDragon421>That's given me too many bad habits.
21:41<creampuff>Its kind of a evil hobby iv taken up to waste a lot of time compileing stuf from source
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21:43<BlackDragon421>I have a friend who is very anti-Linux. He says he can't remember the "millions" of commands, as he says.
21:44<BlackDragon421>And he thinks all Linux users are hackers. Of course, that isn't true.
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21:44<BlackDragon421>We just like to learn, like compiling the whole thing from the source.
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22:28<debianslv>yo debian guyz
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22:28<debianslv>i'm using python, is it bad to use pip and easy_install ?
22:29<abrotman>compared to?
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22:31<debianslv>abrotman, compare to aptitude
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22:32<centrx>debianslv, I generally use the language package manager, because I always end up needing a library that I have to get from it anyway (in this case Ruby gems)
22:33<dualbus>debianslv: use virtualenv with pip
22:33<abrotman>debianslv: use the packag manager if you can .. use pip when you can't
22:33<debianslv>ok
22:33<centrx>debianslv, but I have done some Python apps where it only needed Debian-packaged libraries, using only Debian packages, so it goes
22:33<debianslv>i need gevent
22:34<debianslv>and gevent socketio precisely
22:34<debianslv>pip can help me i think, that's why i need it
22:35<debianslv>dualbus: i don't clearly understand what is virtualenv.
22:35<dualbus>debianslv: if you want to avoid dependency nightmares, use a virtualenv, install all the dependencies there, use pip freeze to build a requirements.txt file, and with that, any developer in other distros will be able to use your project without worrying if they have the libraries in their package management.
22:36<debianslv>dualbus, ok, i check howtodo
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22:36<dualbus>debianslv: it's a thing that creates an "isolated" python environment so you install libraries there, instead of installing these libs to the system, allowing you to have multiple versions of the same libraries for different apps.
22:37<debianslv>dualbus, ok but i can't install pip atm
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22:39<babilen>why not?
22:39<debianslv>i used this -> http://pip.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installing.html to install pip
22:39<babilen>it's packaged as python-pip
22:40<debianslv>can i use this with pyhton 3.4.1 ?
22:40<dualbus>debianslv: in short: install python-pip with apt-get, then install virtualenv with pip, then install stuff inside virtualenv with pip.
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22:41<dualbus>there's python3-pip
22:41<dualbus>debianslv: why that specific version? debian has 3.2 in stable
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22:42<debianslv>nice
22:42<devcrack>what thing?
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22:44<debianslv>dualbus, this specific version cause the other developper is doing with python3.4
22:46<dualbus>debianslv: well, check the changelog between 3.2 and 3.4 and see if they introduced soemthing that would break your app. If that's not the case, then you will be safe working with 3.2 and 3.4 at the same time.
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22:50<debianslv>dualbus, ok i did a bad choice by installing python 3.4 from sources i guess
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22:58<dualbus>debianslv: usually you want to match the version of the software you'll be using in your production environment. But anyways, this is drifting from /topic, back to my cave.
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