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01:25<story>Where are programs and their files generall story after being install through a .deb package?
01:26<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or, or "man hier".
01:26<sney>short form: binary goes in /usr/bin, docs go in /usr/share/doc, and so forth
01:26<sney>configs go in /etc
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01:27<story>So three main dirs?
01:27<jm_>dpkg can tell you where files go
01:27<dpkg>jm_: bugger all, i dunno
01:28<sney>story: read the wikipedia article to understand the structure. this is not windows with applications getting their own self-contained dirs (usually).
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01:28<sney>story: also, will give you the exact structure for any given package
01:28<nevyn>mugh as djb might wish otherwise.
01:29<story>Is there a: dpkg -paths or something like that?
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01:29<sney>apt-file list, there might be a dpkg command that I don't remember. I don't call dkpg from the command line much
01:30<story>I see.
01:30<jm_>what would dpkg -paths do?
01:30<story>list where it copy files to.
01:30<jm_>dpkg -L
01:30<dpkg>Files in package jm_-pr0n: /srv/jm_-pr0n/jm_.jpg
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01:31<story>I'd like to check where dpkg actually is putting the files.
01:31<story>One other thing is if dpkg is just a file transferrer or if it actually runs scripts or something more than copying files.
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01:32<story>I'm tyring to add packages to a live cd that is extracted, but dpkg seems to break the lived dvd somehow, but if I just copy files, it works fine!
01:33<story>I'm rounding up my favorite packages and tyring to get them on a live dvd, but apt-get and dpkg are not doing justice for me. But copying the programs have made it a perfect process.
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01:34<story>I just have a bunch of packages, so I need a way to find out where the package is putting stuff so I can do that.
01:35<sney>yeah, dpkg -L is it.
01:35<themill>it shouldn't matter to you where the packages are installed for this process
01:35<story>sney, do you know if dpkg ever compiles runs scripts or anthing like that?
01:36<sney>it does whatever is in debian/rules. there's usually no compilation, but it can do pretty much anything else
01:36<sney>scripts are pre/postinst's job
01:36<story>themill, that's what I thought, but something just isn't going right in chroot when I do it. But I've compared to just adding thing with cp commands and that doesn't mess anything.
01:36<sney>er, never mind on the debian/rules thing
01:37<themill>packages should be installable inside a chroot without any issues. You may need to mount /proc inside the chroot though.
01:37<story>sney, so really just file copying is going on with dpkg?
01:37<sney>extraction and triggering the pre/post scripts
01:37<story>I did mount /proc
01:37<themill>story: no, there are maintainer scripts that do quite a lot of work too.
01:37<jm_>no, do you read/follow any documentation/links people provide?
01:37<sney>and logging exactly what happens and so forth
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01:38<story>I have found the hierarcy, but just hoping I could understand one single thing from dpkg, that it only will copy files, but looks like it causes scripts to be called indirectly?
01:39<story>That would mean I couldn't just copy them if a script was needed for install.
01:39<sney>it's a package manager. it manages packages. mostly that means unpacking an archive, but it also means preparing the system for those files and vice versa
01:40<sney>for install I think you usually use udebs? but I'm pretty hazy on how d-i differs
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01:41<themill>I'm not sure why you're doing this outside the package manager. I'm also not sure why you're reinventing debian-live.
01:42<story>I'm adding a program that needs to be run live, like diagnostic tools have only a purpose live. I'm just adding more stuff.
01:43<story>I was able to just copy my app over and it was fine, but running dpkg or apt-get messed it. That's the only difference I did.
01:43<story>After about five images created, they all failed when I try to use package management to install things in chroot.
01:44<story>But simplely dropping exectuables and config files doesn't cause any prob.
01:44<themill>fsvo no problem.
01:45<themill>If you want to be able to use the package manager, then use the package manager. If you don't, then feel free to fiddle in whatever hacky way you please.
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01:46<story>yeah, I try to official ways and it's no go, so I'm left with doing thing that will anger them, but oh well,
01:46<story>They write the official ways at Ubuntu
01:46<themill>what does that actually mean?
01:46<story>It means I'm trying to do it the right way.
01:46<jm_>and by no means ever mention the error to anyone else
01:47<story>Well, if I could get it narrowed down more, I would try to contact the auto of the tutorial.
01:47<themill>this is #debian not #ubuntu btw
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01:48<story>I thought you were kissing couzins.
01:48<themill>story: except you're using some unnamed tutorial for ubuntu and you won't tell us what one or what tools you're using or what the error is. You're also ignoring all our advice about using debian-live.
01:49<story>I gotta go, thanks for the links. A year from now, maybe I'll have it.
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01:50<story>sorry, I was hoping for a quick answer, now I'm so exhausted, I'll have to pick this up again tommorow. Don't mean to be rude.
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02:44<sleser>guys is there sutch a thing like itunes for debian ?/
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02:56<DrZaius>what is itunes?
02:57<DrZaius>i mean... i know is some apple thing... but what are you expecting from it?
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03:15<sleser>i have no clue what it is
03:15<sleser>its just that i have to . use it to download mp3s
03:15<sleser>it atomaticaly tells me whats new and what i missed on
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03:16<sleser>i have a itune xml file
03:16<sleser>im just not sure if its safe to download to debian
03:16<sleser>looked trough apper
03:16<sleser>couldnt find it within the distro
03:16<sleser>and not sure if i should get it from the 3rd party
03:17<sleser>i still need your help on that xml file
03:17<sleser>cant find the xml . it only gives me the exe
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03:18<sleser>the itune link dosnt even like have an option for linux . i see mac
03:18<sleser>and others
03:18<sleser>wrong chanel sorry
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03:19<sleser>i found what i was looking for .
03:19<sleser>it was pakage gpodder
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03:28<DrZaius>oh... podcasts
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03:58<John[Lisbeth]>I need some really abstract kind of help
03:58<John[Lisbeth]>I am trying to use the lildebi app to install a debian base on my rooted kindle fire
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03:58<John[Lisbeth]>but some "feature" in the kindle forces lildebi to redirect me to the amazon app store thus making it impossible to install the debian base
03:59<John[Lisbeth]>so I need to somehow disable this feature, or find a different method of installing a debian chroot
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04:12<trinity>anyone here
04:13<babilen>dpkg: ask
04:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:15<trinity>im having a problem with kali linux installing virtualbox on it the problem seems to be with dependencies and kernel i need some help please thanks
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04:15<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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04:16<trinity>ok thanks
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04:18<John[Lisbeth]>I am actually using this guide now but I am stuck on step four:
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04:18<John[Lisbeth]>I get into su properly but when I try to run the command on step four it says permission denied. I don't know enough about bourne shell to fix it, because I've never used bourne shell
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04:25<jm_>in standard bourne shell sh foo works unless you don';t have permissions to read the file
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04:29<John[Lisbeth]>I think I have it working
04:29<John[Lisbeth]>what I did was download the android sdk
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04:30<John[Lisbeth]>and then typed "adb shell" (adb is the command to interface with an android device, and shell starts a shell
04:30<John[Lisbeth]>then I just preformed the command through the interface that opened up
04:30<John[Lisbeth]>I am pretty sure it's installing the whole base, now
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04:40<John[Lisbeth]>ok i got it working
04:40<John[Lisbeth]>thanks anyway guys!
04:42<txt-file>your'e welcome
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05:20<jos>Hi, I have an HP Pavillion 15 n220TX and have just installed debian Wheezy. It has a haswell HD4400 intel accelerator (I think) and an nvidia GT 740M. When I run startx it says no screens found. Can anyone help me?
05:23<ktosiek>I want to pin a package version to a specific release, but using "Pin: release n=squeeze" applies to all versions (testing and squeeze)
05:23<ktosiek>how should I do this?
05:24<nex_necis>jos: are you using nvidia driver?
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05:24<jos>Umm I dont know? What package do i need to install?
05:25<jos>or how do i configure it? Im pretty nooby still with linux
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05:28<nex_necis>jos: if you have non-free repository you can install the "nvidia-detect" package, running that you can get the exact driver to use
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05:29<SynrG>ktosiek: you have oldstable, stable and testing mixed? <deity> help you
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05:29<SynrG>ktosiek: this is not a recipe for success
05:31<ktosiek>I know, I just need a few packages to work to move all containers on this machine to new style
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05:31<ktosiek>and then I'm scrapping it
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05:31<ktosiek>and one of those packages is iptables-persitent which looks like it was heavily restructured in testing
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05:33<jos>Hmm i can just enable that by adding deb wheezy main non-free?
05:33<jos>Thankyou for helping BTW
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05:36<rvdv>jos: maybe you can even add contrib also between main and non-free
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05:38<rmunn>What's the polite way to tell a maintainer, "Upstream has had a new version out for three months, and I'd appreciate it if you packaged it soon"? Should I file a bug against the package, or is there some other way? I've been reading the New Maintainer's Guide and the Policy, but I haven't found anything that covers this particular situation.
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05:38<jos>wow, running nvidia-detect returns "No NVIDIA GPU detected"
05:38<jos>I would rather get the Intel HD drivers as they will use less battery
05:38<jos>But anyway to get startx working would be awesome
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05:41<nex_necis>jos: oh ok, it's an optimus problem. I don't have this graphic card but i think the "bumblebee" package is what you need
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05:43<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. #bumblebee on
05:43<jm_>jos ^^^^^^
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05:48<jos>lspci returns "Intel Corp Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) and 3d controller: NVIDIA Corp Device 1292 (rev a1)
05:48<jos>also I can't seem to install bumblebee
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05:50<jos>I don't understand how the GUI can work in the install but no once its installed
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05:50<rvdv>jos: you need to add a new line in /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy-backports
05:51<rvdv>deb wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
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05:52<jos>Ah, thats installing a big package now
05:52<rvdv>See the info in the links mentioned above
05:53<user000>hello. i just installed systemd on sid and i get dropped to rescue mode. i need to figure out what's wrong and or switch back to init
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05:54<jm_>user000: for issues with sid try #debian-next (check the topic here)
05:54<jos>Ok that looks like its exactly what I want to do :), Do I just need to restart or run an X -configure or something like that?
05:54<user000>jm_, i don't think it's specific to sid. it's specific to systemd
05:55<jos>Sorry for being such a noob, your help is much appreciated
05:55<jm_>user000: you'll likely find far more people using that in releases post wheezy, but do what you want
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05:57<rvdv>jos: be sure you not use startx as root user ... but as normal user
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05:59<jos>Ok, tty 7 (GUI screen) Just flashes with a _ after reboot and startx still returns no screens found
06:01<petn-randall>jos: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any error messages. You can search for "(EE)", which will tell you the reason.
06:01<jm_>we know it's because he has an optimus system
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06:03<jos>Hm there are no EE's but lots of II's and WW's. At the bottom it says number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. Configuration failed
06:04<jos>Also i have nomodeset and forcevesa flags running at boot
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06:12<raffaele>ciao a tutti
06:12*babilen predicts !list
06:13<dpkg>raffaele: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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06:14<raffaele>predicts !list
06:14<dpkg>raffaele: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi per saperne di più.
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06:17<SpaceKookie>Question: what's the best way to partition linux to use two hard-drives (one SSD, one standard). Put swap and home on the SSD, then /usr /var on the other? How big should "/" be? I couldn't find anything proper about this via google :/
06:18<petn-randall>SpaceKookie: Is this a laptop or a desktop?
06:18<SpaceKookie>petn-randall: Desktop
06:18<jm_>SpaceKookie: I recommend to put everything on SSD and then just move the big stuff to traditional hard disk
06:18<SpaceKookie>Ah okay. So just partition it EXT4 and mount at /some/cool/mnt/point ?
06:19<petn-randall>SpaceKookie: How big is your SSD?
06:19<jm_>yeah I do that and then simply do something like ln -s /disk/foo foo (somewhere in home or whatever) and it's mostly transparent
06:19<SpaceKookie>60GB the other is 160GB
06:20<petn-randall>If you're the only user of this machine, I'd just mount the HDD to /home/yourname/bulkdata/
06:21<SpaceKookie>Okay, yea I am the only user on it
06:21<petn-randall>SpaceKookie: If you feel like trying something new, you can simply use LVM and then you can move your partition from SSD to HDD or back when you feel like it.
06:22<SpaceKookie>petn-randall: Hmmm…actually I've always felt like trying that :o And considering I'm nuking my PC right now anyways xD
06:23<petn-randall>SpaceKookie: Just make both the SSD and HDD a PV in the same VG, then you can decide where every LV goes, and even move them around when the PC is running. But you should read up on the LVM basics if you haven't yet, otherwise it won't be a lot of fun ;)
06:24<SpaceKookie>petn-randall: Okay, thanks. I will :) I thought I'd spend my afternoon on the balcony with a good book. But tablet + LVM wiki sounds fun too :P
06:24<petn-randall>SpaceKookie: LVM is something you don't want to miss after you got to use it for the first time.
06:25<petn-randall>SpaceKookie: online resizing of partitions is another bonus :)
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06:38<jos>How can a live CD's GUI work but once its installed Xserver detects no screens?
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06:46<nevyn>or use dm-cache
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07:49<iulics>hello, anybody on?
07:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:00<iulics>I have a problem with TP-LINK TL-WN8200ND( I`m running Debian 7.5/64 with 3.11 kernel and it isn’t recognized by system. Here is my lsusb output:
08:00<iulics>Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
08:00<iulics>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
08:00<iulics>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
08:00<iulics>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
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08:15<SpaceKookie>Well…my PC is re-installing with a LVM setup…I'll see how that works out :P
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08:23<bananabob>Hey! Is there any issues with having duplicate entries in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist files?
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08:26<maker>uhm. I'm on jessie, experiencing some strange behaviour with the packages parallel/testing and moreutils/testing
08:27<jm_>maker: try #debian-next
08:27<maker>oh, thanks. my apologies for having asked in the wrong place.
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08:28<Stereo>Hi everyone
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08:29<Stereo>Does anyone know a nice open source thing to share files over http, like a megaupload/rapidshare clone?
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08:33<Stummi>Stereo, owncloud?
08:33<Stummi>Stereo, or, if you don't need something fancy, configure a location you can easily copy into via scp as your wwwroot
08:34<DrZaius>python -m SimpleHTTPServer ?
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09:08<swizgard_>Stereo, Stummi, DrZaius: source code is available somewhere from the links on the bottom
09:08<swizgard_>it's a django app
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09:16<DrZaius>swizgard_: yeah... fileteam seems similar... and is in there pos :)
09:16<jonadab>Hmm... In squeeze it used to be possible to kludge run-on-startup for an arbitrary script by symlinking it in e.g. /etc/init.d/blahblahblah, but in wheezy this causes problems.
09:16<DrZaius>in the repos*
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09:16<jonadab>What is the actually /correct/ way to get an arbitrary script to run on system startup, preferably after most everything else?
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09:18<zykotick9>jonadab: you might want to try using rc.local
09:18<abrotman>dpkg: tell jonadab about run at startup
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09:20<somiaj>jonadab: if you haven't changed your init (i.e. still usign syvinit) it is almost the same in wheezy, you just need proper LSB headers in your script
09:21<jonadab>Ok, yeah, looks like rc.local is the easy way. Writing proper init.d scripts can wait for another day.
09:22<jonadab>(This is not a script that there would ever be any reason to have e.g. a stop action for.)
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09:28<r1n3>hi I am trying to build a deb package for boot-to-gecko desktop @debhelper
09:28<r1n3>I have the source downloaded from git repo
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09:28<r1n3>should I archive it now then follow the steps mentioned at debian packaging guide?
09:29<r1n3>help needed @debhelper
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09:31<somiaj>r1n3: well to build a debian package you need to set up a debian/ dir in the source with all the required files to make the package, did you want to just try a simple setup to automate creating a package or have a paticular question about the control/rules/etc files?
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09:32<r1n3>I am completely noob regarding creating deb packages, I have downloaded the firefox source and created deb package already of that, on that source code there was existing debian folder in the source.
09:33<r1n3>as both firefox and b2g uses same codebase
09:33<somiaj>r1n3: 'dh_make -s -n' will use deb helper and try to set it up to automate making the debian/ is a place you can start.
09:33<r1n3>so the contents inside debian will be similar right?
09:33<r1n3>thanks somiaj
09:34<somiaj>r1n3: why are you trying to create firefox packages and not just use iceweasel (It is firefox after all)
09:34<r1n3>I am actually trying to create boot-to-gecko desktop
09:34<r1n3>debian package
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09:34<somiaj>yea but you were talking about creating firefox packages when you can just use and get the latest version already packaged for debian
09:35<r1n3>yap I already did that
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09:35<somiaj>either way, man dh_make, that option I gave shoudl try to set up making a simple single binary package of the source code.
09:35<r1n3>thanks :D
09:35<r1n3>I am trying
09:36<r1n3>will let you know when I am successful :)
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09:41<d0c>my first time here
09:41<d0c>cheers, open source!
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09:56<ki7mt>Is there a debian-mentor channel, for packaging apps and such ?
09:57<somiaj>ki7mt: #debian-mentors though you can sometimes get help with basic questions here, get far beetter help in that channel
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09:58<ki7mt>Ok, thanks. Some the problems I'm hitting are pretty far out there, either that or I'm pretty far off the mark :-)
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09:58<petn-randall>Welcome aboard, d0c.
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10:06<SonicPenguin>why does gnome shell network manager keep asking the wifi password?
10:07<SonicPenguin>it's strange because it *already knows* it, i just click connect every time
10:07<SonicPenguin>but, you know, it's annoying.
10:08<abrotman>SonicPenguin: perhaps there's another AP with the same name nearby?
10:08<SonicPenguin>i dont think so
10:08<somiaj>SonicPenguin: so it isn't actually asking for the wifi password, just forcing you to hit the connect button?
10:08<SonicPenguin>every time it connect to the router
10:08<somiaj>you haven't unselected or need to select an auto-connect option?
10:08<petn-randall>SonicPenguin: Is "automatically connect to AP" checked in the options?
10:08<SonicPenguin>in fact, it autmatically connects
10:09<SonicPenguin>but then the password popup appear with my password *already* in it
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10:09<SonicPenguin>then i click connect and it connects
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10:09<SonicPenguin>i guess gnome keyring works if my password is displayed
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10:10<SonicPenguin>i faced this problem many time with different installations
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10:11<petn-randall>SonicPenguin: Maybe it's something that's wrong with gnome-keyring ...
10:11<SonicPenguin>maybe i miss some package, because i install the system manually from a netinstall or debootstrap
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10:11<somiaj>SonicPenguin: you have the full 'gnome' meta package and all of its dependencies installed?
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10:12<SonicPenguin>somiaj, no, too much bloat
10:12<somiaj>SonicPenguin: well that is one way to see if you are missing something, what about the core package
10:12<SonicPenguin>core is installed
10:12<somiaj>SonicPenguin: i.e. gnome-core
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10:13<SonicPenguin>oh wait a sac
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10:13<SonicPenguin>i didn't install even gnome-core this time lol
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10:16<SonicPenguin>but i wouldn't install it...
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10:24<SonicPenguin>this is the list of packages in gnome-core that i miss:
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10:25<somiaj>SonicPenguin: I dont' have much more to suggest, I don't use gnome or network-manager so I am unsure why it wouldn't be working.
10:25<SonicPenguin>ok, thank you anyway
10:26<somiaj>SonicPenguin: it almost sounds to me like gnome-keyring is rembering your password but network-manager is not, so network manager opens up to say conenct and then gnome-keyring (or some other app) fills in the password.
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10:26<SonicPenguin>i will try with some packages related to my problem
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10:27<somiaj>SonicPenguin: again not sure if it works this way or not, and this is wheezy you are running correct?
10:27<SonicPenguin>if i go to the network properties (nm-connection-editor) my password is saved
10:27<SonicPenguin>wheezy yes
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10:31<SonicPenguin>somiaj, apparently, the problem is solved
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10:31<SonicPenguin>i think i was missing libpam-gnome-keyring
10:32<donofrio>I'm using a real client now as well
10:32<donofrio>ok lightspeed installed but sites still asking for flash addon?
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10:33<donofrio>abrotman, do you use lightspeed?
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10:34<abrotman>lightspark you mean?
10:34<donofrio>abrotman, right
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10:34<abrotman>No, I told you I was using gnash
10:34<somiaj>donofrio: you switched networks to it seems. (:
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10:35<donofrio>somiaj, I am using xchat now cause browser needed to restart (well I restarted it to test this new flash)
10:36<abrotman>donofrio: I would imagine some sites don't look for flash ability, but the actual Flash Acdobe plugin
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10:36<SamB>abrotman: certainly
10:36<SamB>I mean, if they can screw that up they will
10:36<abrotman>and he left ...
10:37<SamB>though to be fair sometimes they might do that because they had some minimum compatible version of Macromedia/Adobe's plugin?
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10:38*SamB wonders if the ones checking for the Macromedia plugin will find the Adobe one?
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10:40<donofrio>k I'm back did I miss anthing
10:40<SamB>not much
10:40<SamB><abrotman> donofrio: I would imagine some sites don't look for flash ability, but the actual Flash Acdobe plugin
10:40<SonicPenguin>does somebody uses KDE on wheezy?
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10:40<SamB>SonicPenguin: what's the issue?
10:41<SonicPenguin>SamB, none, just wanted to know the experience of other users
10:41<SonicPenguin>because mine was so so
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10:42<SonicPenguin>mainly, the unstability of the DE
10:43<SamB>I'm not so enthusiastic about DEs in general
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10:50<SonicPenguin>SamB, what do you use?
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10:51<SamB>well, I used to use wmaker, but lately I haven't been running a real X server on my Debian box because it's kind of ancient ...
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10:57<donofrio>not much chatter in the ppc channel.....oh well.....these systems are still usable and if I can get flash and jre1.8 on powerpc I'd be all set
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11:03<grummund>Hi, can someone say what these repeated log messages mean? -
11:03<grummund>[ 3036.179342] cfg80211: Calling CRDA for country: 97
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11:03<grummund>i have trouble connecting wifi, although it's fine right now.
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11:06<abrotman>grummund: it's your wifi
11:07<grummund>abrotman: in what way?
11:08<abrotman>grummund: apt-cache show crda
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11:11<grummund>is it normal to be continously printing those messages in the log?
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11:17*grummund created /etc/modprobe.d/wifi.conf with: options cfg80211 ieee80211_regdom=EU
11:17<grummund>no noticeable effect
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11:54<anony>hey all!
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11:56<anony>ive set up my printer/scanner on debian wheezy, printing works for all users even on share. scanner works only as root. what do i need to change permission for to be able to let users scan?
11:56<anony>they are added to group "scanner"
11:56<anony>still no permission
11:57<petn-randall>anony: If you add someone to a group, you have to log out and then in for it to take effect.
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11:58<anony>yeah ive tried that
11:58<anony>i followed this wich is my model.
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11:58<anony>works for the rest but not me yet o.O i have no idea what might b wrong
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11:59<anony>is ubuntu dir's in that link different from the ones on debian wheezy? do i need to change something in there?
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12:02<anony>does the group l"p"
12:02<anony>does the group "lp" have something to do with scanners?
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12:14<Nik05>anony printer probably?
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12:16<Nik05>anony, yep its for printers
12:17<anony>shall i add the user that wants to use the scanner to the group lp u think?
12:18<Nik05>maybe, what kind of scanner is it?
12:19<anony>samsung scx 3205 laser b/w scanner and printer multi thingy
12:19<anony>in /dev/usb/ i have only lp2
12:19<SpaceKookie>I'm currently trying to install Skype on Debian 7.5 and following the instructions on the skype website this fails:
12:19<SpaceKookie>Any help?
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12:20<anony>Nik05, /dev/usb/lp2 has 660 permissions
12:20<SpaceKookie> <-- real link
12:20<anony>rw rw --
12:20<centrx>SpaceKookie, You may need to activate multiarch
12:20<Nik05>SpaceKookie we now have multiarch so you dont have to install those ia32 libs, just add i386 as foreign architecture
12:21<SpaceKookie>Nik05: How?
12:21<Nik05>anony sorry no idea how that works
12:21<centrx>dpkg, tell SpaceKookie about multiarch
12:21<Nik05>SpaceKookie: dpkg --add-architecture i386
12:21<anony>damn thats like weird and shit :D
12:21<anony>brb imma try some random things
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12:21<SpaceKookie>So…much…help XD Thanks, I'll try that :P
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12:28<Nik05>SpaceKookie you also need to do apt(-get)/aptitude update before installing to get repository files for i386
12:29<SpaceKookie>Nik05: OH yea, currently running
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12:32<froumi>lo, where i can found a tuto to do a preseed file
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12:33<froumi>preseed file to automate debian installer
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12:33<abrotman>froumi: installation guide
12:34<froumi>the installation guide don't explain all option
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12:36<froumi>abrotman: for example, for wheezy, what is the option when the installer said "lightdm / gdm3"
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12:53<abrotman>froumi: that's just a package you install
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13:06<donofrio>so how would I get python-qt4 to look like qt3?
13:06<donofrio>or should I just reload this box (-:
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13:07<donofrio>wanted to get the same look and usablity as mint16 mate gives me but running on my powerbook's built with netinstall....
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13:13<donofrio>does anyone have a dpkg command to allow me to package compare the two installs one being mint16 (ubutu13.10) on x86 and list the packages diff out the existing powerpc packages from my fresh netinstall alowwing me to bring the gap and make this 7.5 ppc install awesome
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13:14<centrx>donofrio, Take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/status
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13:15<centrx>donofrio, You can grep Package: from each file, then run diff
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13:15<centrx>donofrio, maybe sort them both first
13:15<retrospectacus>"dpkg -l"
13:15<centrx>oh yeah there's that too
13:16<donofrio>would be cool to have diff not do <> things but just output "the diffrence"
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13:17<anony>just lettin u know the solution
13:17<anony>scanner on multidevice only accessible by root. add user to lp group.
13:18<retrospectacus>or dpkg -l|awk '/^.i/{print $2}' for only installed package names
13:18<donofrio>now were talkin
13:18<donofrio>I'll try that retrospectacus
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13:19<centrx>anony, Excellent
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13:20<centrx>anony, lp/lpr is generally for printing (I think it stands for line-printing), but I guess it's used for scanning now too
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13:24<donofrio>installing on my mac mini now....
13:25<donofrio>would be neat if I got gnash working with the browser for flash calls...
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13:26<centrx>gnash keeps getting better
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13:27<centrx>but Flash must die
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13:27<donofrio>I agree but till all flash calls are ported though a runtime html5 converter then I don't see it going away
13:28<donofrio>I think this apple hardware still runnign great just need jre1.8 and this gnash in browser and it will be smooth saling once xbmc and openconnect are installed
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13:35<Old_Dog>I'm a new Debian user. Have a couple of questions. 1) Does Debian have anything similar to LinuxMint's "inxi'? 2)Is the Mate desktop available for Debian?
13:35<dpkg>The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8.0 "Jessie". To install, ask me about <install mate>. #mate on
13:35<abrotman>1) what is inxi? 2) Not for Wheezy
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13:39<SpaceKookie>Is there something líke "Additional Drivers" in ubuntu to check if there are better drivers for my hardware available? Because I'm getting like 5FPS in my MC servers where I got over 60 before re-installing Debian (replacing Mint)
13:41<morgenthau>hi i make a mistake with a debian server: i tried to move a .zip file with "mv /var/xxx/ /home/xxx/archive" i forget the .zip at the end...but now i can't find the file and rename it....any ideas?
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13:41<tkf>mv /home/xxx/archive /home/xxx/
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13:42<centrx>morgenthau, It's either named /home/xxx/archive or /home/xxx/archive/
13:42<SpaceKookie>centrx: what made you think I was running ubuntu?
13:42<somiaj>SpaceKookie: there is no such box, but there is ways to install a better driver
13:42<gnugr>Old_Dog: MATE is 100% available in sid, 99% in jessie and Wheezy/backports
13:42<somiaj>SpaceKookie: debian does not provided non-free drivers by default there is a chance you just want those, what video card do you use?
13:43<centrx>SpaceKookie, sorry I misread
13:43<SpaceKookie>somiaj: ATI HD 5770
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13:43<SpaceKookie>And yea, I don't think the drivers I used before were free/ open-source. But I'm not exactly a purist when it comes to that :p I can live with proprietary software xD
13:43<somiaj>SpaceKookie: okay to get 3d support from the radeon driver you need to install the package 'firmware-linux-nonfree' -- installing that package and rebooting may just get you the fps you want
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13:43<somiaj>SpaceKookie: the other option is to use the non-free fglrx drivers
13:44<somiaj>!tell SpaceKookie about non-free
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13:44<somiaj>SpaceKookie: I would try to just isntall firmware-linux-nonfree and if that gives you the fps you want you are fine, fglrx is possible but will require a bit more work.
13:45<SpaceKookie>somiaj : apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree ? I'll try that first, thanks
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13:45<somiaj>SpaceKookie: read the factoid I had dpkg tell you, you have to enable non-free first (it is not enabled by default)
13:46<somiaj>!tell SpaceKookie about non-free soruces
13:46<somiaj>!tell SpaceKookie about non-free sources
13:46<SpaceKookie>somiaj: yea, thanks. Currently doing that
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13:51<booger>Can any one tell me a channel for help with a kernel compiled from
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13:52<donofrio>retrospectacus, so what command would I run once I have list of installed packages on mint16 box and only give me a list of non-exisiting pkgs on powerpc deb7.5 install....
13:52<SpaceKookie>What's the apt-get name for "fw-detect" ? I installed a bunch of firmware packages (including non-free) but it apparentl wasn't included
13:52<somiaj>booger: there is #kernel on
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13:52<somiaj>SpaceKookie: firmware for what?
13:52<booger>Ok thanks
13:52<somiaj>booger: it might have two ## on it, I forget if it is offical or not
13:53<SpaceKookie>somiaj the package was called apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree. Not sure what's all in it
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13:54<somiaj>SpaceKookie: it contains a lot of different firmware, if you 'apt-cache show firmware-linux-nonfree' you can get a full list, did you reboot after installing that package?
13:54<booger>I'm connecting now
13:54<retrospectacus>donofrio: diff mintpackages.txt <(dpkg -l|awk '/^.i/{print $2}')
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13:54<SpaceKookie>not yet, i probably should
13:54<donofrio>retrospectacus, k I'll try as soon at 27% done installing changes to 100% (-:
13:54<somiaj>donofrio: packages may have different names (espically if it is mint based on ubuntu) and eventhough that list may be intersting, don't just try to install everything on that list.
13:55<donofrio>yah excluding all mint- pkgs
13:55<somiaj>SpaceKookie: yea you want to reboot so the radeon drivers load the firmware when they load. Again this should give you a lot more 3d speed with the free radeon driver on your card.
13:55<somiaj>donofrio: it might be more than just that, it could give you a hint of things you want to install, but I wouldn't just try to give that list to debian and exect it to work
13:56<retrospectacus>donofrio: they will never be the same but this will give you a few ideas of things to install
13:56<donofrio>somiaj, also excluding all kernel- pkgs
13:56<somiaj>its more the libs I'm worried about, again Iw ould only look for major software packages, it could be mint splits things up differently than debian.
13:57<somiaj>as I suggested before to someone I would try to identify what functionality is missing then look for a package that provides that functionality.
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13:58<donofrio>it's that I'm using mint16 x86 install only cause it looks nice and works pretty well, now do not get me wrong debian is working too just figure perhaps 20 application diffrences I could apply to these powerpc installs
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13:58<somiaj>donofrio: looks are more likely gonna be defaults and userconfiguration more so than missing packages.
13:59<SpaceKookie>somiaj: okay my FPS is a lot better. It's no 60 but it'll dow. Just for curiosity, what would be the next alternative driver-wise if I ever needed to install different ones?
13:59<somiaj>!tell SpaceKookie about fglrx-dkms
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14:00<somiaj>SpaceKookie: basically install linux-headers, fglrx-dkms, fglrx-drivers, modify your xorg.conf file to use them and reboot
14:00<somiaj>SpaceKookie: those will be the fglrx non-free drivers from amd/ati
14:01<somiaj>SpaceKookie: the drivers work fine, but they require a little work to configure/setup which isn't done for you automatically
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14:01<SpaceKookie>somiaj: okay thank you. I'll write that down. So far the performance is okay enough not to torture myself with that. But it's nice to know the options :) Thanks for your help <3
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14:03<somiaj>SpaceKookie: glad we can get it to work. (:
14:05<SpaceKookie>somiaj: Yea, thanks. I've been using Ubuntu and OSX for a while now but want to expand my horizon a bit :p Having to configure drivers does include that xD
14:06<beagleburt>G'day from New Zealand! I have a Dell 2400 running Debian 7.3 & I want to upgrade to Debian 7.5 but I can not boot from the dvd? Any suggestions gratefully received...
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14:06<somiaj>SpaceKookie: yea that is one of the things I like about debian is their clear statnce on DSFG, but it does make end users work a bit more.
14:06<retrospectacus>beagleburt: sweet as. Just type apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
14:07<somiaj>SpaceKookie: I think debian is worth it because it provides far more user control/customization, but the draw back is users have to configure/customize it themselves and dont usually get the experience they want out of teh box.
14:07<beagleburt>ok tku <retrospectacus>
14:08<SpaceKookie>somiaj: yea true. But hey…I'm a java developer. I'm used to never getting things to work out of the box ;)
14:08<SpaceKookie>Anyways thanks
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14:14<beagleburt><retrospectacus> I have followed your instructions but I got all zero's results...?
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14:18<mtn>beagleburt: what is in your sources.list? paste it to
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14:22<retrospectacus>beagleburt: yes show us the file /etc/apt/sources.list (and any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/) OR the output of "apt-cache policy"
14:22<retrospectacus>beagleburt: using the website mtn mentioned
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14:26<ubuntuuser>anyone here
14:27<retrospectacus>hundreds, as you can see
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14:27<mtn>that's all he wanted to know :P
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14:30<Old_Dog>OK. Showing some more of my ignorance. Y'all talking about "versions" of Debian confuses me. I thought Debian was a "rolling upgrade". I used 'hardinfo' to determine that I have 7.2, but I don't see anything anywhere that resembles an 'upgrade' or even and 'update' app. I guess that's done from the command line?
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14:31<somiaj>Old_Dog: no debian produces a single release, and testing/unstable (what you many think of as rolling) aren't actually releases bu tthe process packages go though when creating the next release
14:31<retrospectacus>Old_Dog: there exists apps but it is easiest (and especially easiest to troubleshoot) upgrade from the CLI
14:31<somiaj>Old_Dog: wheezy is version 7 and besides for security and grave bug fixes stays relatively the same, so 7.2, 7.3, 7.5 are just wheezy + these fixes
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14:32<somiaj>Old_Dog: if you have intenret sources in your sources.list, just 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' to get all the secuirty/bug fixes.
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14:34<Old_Dog>somiaj, So where (how) would I look to see what my sources are? Synaptic, maybe?
14:34<retrospectacus>"apt-cache policy"
14:35<somiaj>Old_Dog: /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, is where it is configured, the command retrospectacus gave you lists the current sources
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14:35<mtn>Old_Dog: synaptic has that info and can do your updating/upgrading, too
14:35<somiaj>Old_Dog: you can use synaptic to do the upgrades if you like, or even upgrade manager, many here just prefer the cli tools
14:36<Old_Dog>Thanks guys. I appreciate your help.
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14:42<beagleburt>retrospectacus><mtn> ok I have pasted the output of "apt-cache policy" to - sorry to take so long but I am disabled & the Dell 2400 is another machine...
14:44<centrx>It might as well be on another planet
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14:46<beagleburt><retrospectacus> & <mtn> oops ic the link is:
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14:59<Juanknight>Hola Vas a Decir
14:59<beagleburt_>G'day Juanknight>
14:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:04<beagleburt_><retrospectacus> Any joy from the "apt-cache policy" info I posted?
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15:06<jmcnaught>beagleburt_: i took a look at your paste link and couldn't spot any problems myself. If you installed Debian 7.3 and have been installing updates this whole time, chances are that you're already on Debian 7.5. What does it say inside /etc/debian_version ?
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15:08<canaima>que haces
15:08<canaima>nada que
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15:09<canaima>ya va le voy a llevar los platos a la cocina tonto
15:09<Juanknight>Anda Ver Que Quiere Daniela
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15:11<beagleburt_>jmcnaught> 7.5 ! ??? Thankyou - you are right! I got sooo upset over nothing! (I was told to frequently do "apt-get update" & "apt-get upgrade", so I do it every time I open the CLI - I have never done a"apt-get dist-upgrade" before though...?
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15:11<dualbus>Why does this always happen? Som random nicks join and start talking in spanish with absolutely no coherence. Isn't there a way to block them? At least two have consistent nicks.
15:11<AnaStar>ola k ase
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15:12<jmcnaught>beagleburt_: dist-upgrade is usually only needed for upgrading major releases. It explains the difference in "man apt-get"
15:13<AnaStar>que bobo
15:13<beagleburt_>jmcnaught> ok I will check that out...tku
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15:14<jmcnaught>beagleburt_: no problem :)
15:15<beagleburt_>jmcnaught> 'b'ye for now - <3
15:16<Juanknight>Por que me mandaste juan
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15:16<AnaStar>por si
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15:17<Juanknight> LOCA!!!
15:18<r1n3>hi I am getting this error while trying to create deb package for b2g-desktop build(boot2gecko)
15:18<AnaStar>hey me dejaste en erre loco tuuuuuu
15:18<r1n3>dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to python/mach/mach/mixin/process.pyc: binary file contents changed
15:18<r1n3>when I include that file under debian/include-binaries as suggested
15:18<jmcnaught>dualbus: my theory is that #debian is the default channel for the IRC client in some spanish debian derivative
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15:19<r1n3>then I get this error dpkg-source: error: unwanted binary file: debian/source/include-binaries/process.pyc
15:19<r1n3>dpkg-source: error: detected 1 unwanted binary file (add it in debian/source/include-binaries to allow its inclusion).
15:19<r1n3>dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-source -b b2g_2.0 gave error exit status 29
15:19<r1n3>can anybody help me out where I am wrong ?
15:19<r1n3>I am completely noob at debian packaging
15:19<beagleburt><canaima> & Juanknight> Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:19<dualbus>jmcnaught: hm, makes sense. It's annoying though.
15:19<AnaStar>hey bobo
15:20<Juanknight>PUTA MARICA LOCA
15:20<AnaStar>ya de que es el helado
15:20<beagleburt> AnaStar & Juanknight> Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:21<Juanknight>no se
15:22<AnaStar>a mi me parece que de ron pasas
15:22<Juanknight>no es si no ya tubiera las pasas
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15:23<AnaStar>no no es necesario que tengan pasas obligado
15:23<r1n3>is this debian spanish channel :-s
15:24<r1n3>@debhelper need help
15:24<Juanknight>Es de Ron Pasas Debe Tener Pasas
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15:25<Juanknight>Me voy al canal de callaveraz
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15:26<Juanknight>Hola Callaveraz
15:26<dualbus>Both are from the same Venezuela ISP.
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15:27<dualbus>!ops there are some trolls around
15:27<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dualbus complains about: there are some trolls around
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15:34<dualbus>Ganneff: thanks!
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15:37<AnaStar>Ola k Ase
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15:38<AnaStar>es ola k haces o k hace
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15:39<Juanknight>Solo Escribo
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15:40<AnaStar>juan entro una niña de 6 años callate no digas groserias
15:41<Juanknight>Deja De Comer Yogurt Te VA A Dar YogurtAdiccion
15:41<mask>my pdf viewer doesnt act as its own bookmark, so everytime i re-open the book i have to remember what page I was on, is there any debian pdf viewer that comes with a bookmark option so that the viewer remembers where I was?
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15:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:41<mgv>mask: zathura does this by default
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15:42<mask>mgv, thanks, ill go look for it
15:43<jmcnaught>mask: evince remembers the page that was open last time for me at least
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15:43<mask>jmcnaught, can evince be used with xfce?
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15:44<jmcnaught>mask: yes. generally you can run any GUI software in any desktop environment or window manager
15:45<mask>jmcnaught, ok, thx much
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15:47<beagleburt_>I want to add programs to the main menu - (Debian 7.5; Gnome) but where do I find the "Command" for each item? e.g. Applications > System Tools > I want to add "Administration" + the various menu items I have on my other machine e.g. Synaptic;Firewall; etc
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15:56<beagleburt_>jmcnaught> I want to add programs to the main menu - (Debian 7.5; Gnome) but where do I find the "Command" for each item? e.g. Applications > System Tools > I want to add "Administration" + the various menu items I have on my other machine e.g. Synaptic;Firewall; etc
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16:17<jmcnaught>beagleburt_: i suppose you could check out "alacarte" for editing the menu
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16:24<beagleburt_><jmcnaught> thankyou - will do...
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16:27<retrospectacus>beagleburt_: generally programs will appear in the menu once you install them.
16:29<zathras>I know it is not much, but with 80mb free on / I see no reason why upgrading the kernel on wheezy (23 mb) should fail on too little free diskspace. I tried to ease things by specifying TMPDIR env and dpkg the package but that did not help either. Any suggestions?
16:30<jonadab>zathras: Other than freeing up some disk space? (I guess you're working on an embedded system or using a flash-RAM-based drive?)
16:31<zathras>nope, a SSD drive
16:31<jonadab>Right, that was my second guess.
16:31<beagleburt_>I installed "UFW/GUFW" firewall but it does not appear on menu - in fact "Administration" does not appear at all, althought when I check "Alacarte" , "Administration" is ticked under "Show"...?
16:31<zathras>and yes, I already moved some stuff to create space
16:32<SamB>zathras: is there a /boot ?
16:32<zathras>/dev/sdb1 228M 33M 183M 16% /boot
16:33<retrospectacus>beagleburt_: should be there somewhere, somehow. I don't have gnome so can't verify how to find it
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16:57<beagleburt_>jmcnaught> when I checked out "Alacarte", I got this message on the terminal: root@debian:/home/beagleburt#
16:57<beagleburt_>(alacarte:5330): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: Missing callback called fullpath = /root/.config/menus/
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16:57<retrospectacus>don't run that as root
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16:59<beagleburt_><retrospectacus> ok - (but why not?)
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17:00<retrospectacus>because you are wanting to manage the menu your user sees (root should not see any menus or run any user-orientated program)
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17:01<beagleburt_><retrospectacus> Does that mean that if I run/edit a menu as root, then it will not change the menu when I look at it as the user?
17:02<beagleburt_><retrospectacus> I see...Thankyou
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17:12<johnnyboy>how do iswitch to kde from gnome?
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17:12<retrospectacus>johnnyboy: install kde, and choose it on the login screen
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17:13<johnnyboy>how do i install kde?
17:13<retrospectacus>!install kde
17:13<dpkg>The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install".
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17:33<SonicPenguin>why does wget eat so much rum with -r option?
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17:33<SonicPenguin>im at 1GB only after a minute!
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17:37<petn-randall>SonicPenguin: Because it keeps a list of all links to recurse over, and you probably hit a page that has a forward/back button.
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17:38<SonicPenguin>petn-randall, i'm downloading a wiki that contains documentation
17:38<SonicPenguin>there is no way to avoid this behaviour?
17:39<petn-randall>SonicPenguin: Nope, since it's not trivial to detect if the URLs change. Web crawling is a science by itself.
17:40<SonicPenguin>petn-randall, well, that's bad
17:40<SonicPenguin>petn-randall, thank you, anyway
17:40<petn-randall>To be more precise: Take a normal file directory over http as an example. Now for convenience, it contains a link to "..", that means a dir up. For security reasons, it'll add "../" into the URL, but not traverse further up.
17:41<petn-randall>SonicPenguin: If you would wget such a page, you'll end up downloading the same page again and again, and wget can't detect it since the URL always changes.
17:42<SonicPenguin>petn-randall, but i'm monitoring the download folder, and new files are always created
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17:42<SonicPenguin>the problem is that use way too much ram to do this
17:42<SonicPenguin>andi have only 1.6gb
17:43<petn-randall>SonicPenguin: It still need to keep *all* URLs in RAM so it knows which to still download, and which it already has downloaded.
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17:44<SonicPenguin>petn-randall, ok, i guess i have to add more ram and swap
17:45<SonicPenguin>because i need this doc offline
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17:45<SonicPenguin>this is the only way
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18:25<donofrio>fresh netinstall powerpc 7.5 and when I try to do a su - root then apt-get install xbmc I get a message saying python-qt3 neeeded but not installable
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18:32<jmcnaught>donofrio: hello. are you using the xbmc package in the debian repo, or did you add a third party repo for it?
18:32<donofrio>default repro
18:32<donofrio>just finished building this device
18:32<donofrio>mac mini stock netinstall
18:33<petn-randall>donofrio: Can you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list? And the output of 'apt-cache policy'? Paste it on
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18:33<donofrio>sure again it's untouched stock netinstall
18:33<donofrio>give me a moment....
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18:34<petn-randall>donofrio: Also the full output of 'apt-get install xmbc' would be of use. :)
18:35<donofrio>k working on it...
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18:37<zenlunatic>experimental is below sid correct?
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18:37<retrospectacus>zenlunatic: no
18:37<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell zenlunatic about experimental
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18:38<zenlunatic>so unstable is sid?
18:38<zenlunatic>yeah so experimental is below sid
18:39<donofrio>petn-randall, was that a good pastebin?
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18:40<retrospectacus>zenlunatic: it's not really comparable, it is just a repository, not a release like sid, wheezy, jessie. Depends how you're defining "below"
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18:40<zenlunatic>fair enough thanks
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18:43<donofrio>did my pastebin help?
18:43<retrospectacus>you put it on the wrong website
18:43<petn-randall>donofrio: My browser doesn't support javascript, which is why I recommended :)
18:44<donofrio> ok I'll try again
18:44<nevyn>and makes everyone's eyes bleed
18:45<petn-randall>zenlunatic: experimental is "on top" of sid, it's not a full set of packages that will give you an OS.
18:46<zenlunatic>petn-randall: yeah I've read about experimental. its like a "it builds" repository
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18:47<petn-randall>zenlunatic: It's more like a "I've got it to build, but it's not even usable enough for the tweakers on sid" ;)
18:47<petn-randall>donofrio: got it, thanks.
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18:48<zenlunatic>petn-randall: i'm thinking of making the jump to sid on my desktop. only thing I'm worried about is data loss, but I keep local backups religiously
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18:48<donofrio>again this is nothing special I did just put cdrom into mac mini installed like I do and when finished with the 1348 packages and reboots I try this and it fails )-:
18:48<donofrio>gotta have me xbmc!
18:48<petn-randall>donofrio: What happens if you run 'apt-get install -f'?
18:48<zenlunatic>im worried about encrypted lvm going dead mostly
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18:49<gsimmons>donofrio: You can ignore the python-qt3 (non-existent recommended package). The dependent xbmc-bin package isn't built for powerpc on wheezy.
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18:49<donofrio>how can you have parent that has no depentant build?
18:50<donofrio>gsimmons, what build of debian is it ready for?
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18:50<petn-randall>gsimmons: Just noticed, too. How did wheezy get released in that state?
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18:51<retrospectacus>,v xbmc-bin --arch ppc
18:51<judd>Package: xbmc-bin on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 10.0-0.5+1; wheezy: 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1+b1; wheezy-backports: 2:12.3+dfsg1-3~bpo70+2; jessie: 2:12.3+dfsg2-6; sid: 2:13.1~beta2+dfsg1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 4:12.3.1-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 4:13.0+r2-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 4:13.1~rc1-dmo1
18:52<donofrio>this is powerpc
18:52<gsimmons>retrospectacus: ITYM "powerpc".
18:52<donofrio>I saw i386 just then and was like nope not my arch
18:52<retrospectacus>oh yeah
18:52<retrospectacus>,v xbmc-bin --arch powerpc
18:52<judd>Package: xbmc-bin on powerpc -- squeeze-multimedia: 10.0-0.5+1; jessie: 2:12.3+dfsg2-6; sid: 2:13.1~beta2+dfsg1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 4:12.3.1-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 4:13.0+r2-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 4:13.1~beta2-dmo1
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18:53<retrospectacus>I guess you could try the dmo one
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18:54<donofrio>so I'm lost I need to reinstall an older version of debian or can what I got here work, if so what must I type/do?
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18:55<retrospectacus>it's a non-supported repository at
18:55<donofrio>anything I need to do - or just go read that link
18:55<retrospectacus>the *-multimedia versions show by the judd bot above
18:56<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell donofrio about dmo
18:57<zenlunatic>petn-randall: do you think those fears are rational?
18:57<donofrio>retrospectacus, it only has i386 there
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18:58<donofrio>was hoping I could get a symlink to qt3 to point to qt4 and I'd be working?
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18:59<retrospectacus>you can run apt-get with --no-install-recommends to ignore that recommends
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18:59<retrospectacus>but you still won't have xbmc-bin for powerpc
19:00<retrospectacus>we generally don't recommend to use it at all, but if you "need" xbmc and want to use this repository, then yes you will need to add it to sources.list and update
19:00<donofrio>retrospectacus, don't get how xbmc-bin is not pkg'ed for this archtype
19:00<petn-randall>zenlunatic: I'm running with jessie, which is only 5 days behind of sid. Make sure to have backups of your data on a separate disk, this goes regardless which OS you're running.
19:01<retrospectacus>I can't explain that situation, sorry
19:01<donofrio>should I try another version of debian (seems strange) or what could I do to help get xbmc-bin for powerpc?
19:01<retrospectacus>add dmo and update.
19:02<zenlunatic>petn-randall: got it
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19:04<donofrio>to add dmo to I just "apt-get addsource" or something like that.....just want to make sure I do this right cause I didn't do anything special and things are not working so I'm wondering why its not working and what I need to do....just seems odd to have a release of a biuld without all compents?
19:04<petn-randall>zenlunatic: That being said, if you know your way around Debian, you can try it. We generally don't recommend it unless you have some understanding of Debian and apt in special.
19:05<retrospectacus>donofrio: you edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
19:07<donofrio>um he doesn't have wheezy powerpc )-:
19:07<retrospectacus>detailed directions like what to add to the file is on
19:07<retrospectacus>he does.
19:07<donofrio>k I'll go rtfml
19:08<retrospectacus>powerpc has main only, no non-free but for xbmc that is OK.
19:09<donofrio>so long as I can get this installed i'm fine just needing help cause I gotta edit things when I thought apt-get would "just work"
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19:10<donofrio>k call me dense but what do I need to change in to make apt-get work for dmo?
19:11<retrospectacus>add this line to the bottom: deb wheezy main
19:11<donofrio>been a long day my htc evo lte hit the floor an hour ago and screen no longer works so I do not meant to be a pain just want this to work...
19:11<donofrio>k thanks
19:12<donofrio>running update now
19:12<donofrio>timeout was reached
19:13<donofrio>no_pubkey but I'm guessing that is ok
19:13<retrospectacus>install deb-multimedia-keyring
19:13<helixon256>It worked?
19:13<donofrio>its going to add 29 new pkgs
19:13<retrospectacus>as the instructions say
19:14<donofrio>helixon256, its "thinking" right now
19:14<donofrio>getting pkg 35
19:14<helixon256>Ah, okay
19:15<donofrio>just need working flash and I can reload my powermac's with debian goodness and not 10.5.8 oldness (-:
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19:16<retrospectacus>donofrio: add "contrib" to the end of line 7, update and install flashplugin-nonfree
19:16<bnnk>just testing our irssi, do not mind me :)
19:16<donofrio>hu you mean the sources.list file?
19:17<retrospectacus>donofrio: yes, but it seems there is no flashplugin-nonfree on powerpc.
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19:18<bnnk>install chrome browser, that has flash built in I believe
19:18<donofrio>exactly...other suggested gnash but need a script to call it like pepperflash does with /etc/chromium-browser/default does with the script
19:18<donofrio>I think
19:18<donofrio>bnnk, no chromium on powerpc arch correct?
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19:19<bnnk>no chrome, google chrome has a linux version now
19:19<bnnk>so does firefox
19:19<bnnk>not iceweasel and chromium those are different
19:20<donofrio>chrome has powerpc version? I think your thinking of x86/x64 arch types
19:20<bnnk>powerpc debian?
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19:21<donofrio>bnnk, heck yah debian is wonderful you should run it everywhere as well....
19:21<donofrio>why throw away old machines that are still useful!
19:21<bnnk>chrome has a .deb package and a .rpm one
19:21<donofrio>really gonna try
19:21<bnnk>I have no idea which one power pc uses
19:22<bnnk>you have flash problems :/
19:22<bnnk>did you try activating the plugins, sometimes they are deactivated
19:22<donofrio>get this it has chromimu but not installing??
19:23<donofrio>any advice cause do not know why it said >=10??
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19:26<jmcnaught>donofrio: it looks like chromium is also not available for powerpc. you can check packages yourself by searching for them on and looking to see which architectures are listed under the package name
19:26<h725>hi, I wonder what system call (on the kernel side) is triggered when sbin/ip assigns an ip address to a bridge device
19:26<jmcnaught>donofrio: also it makes it a lot easier for some of use to open your paste links if you include the http:// part (otherwise i have to select the text while it's moving)
19:27<donofrio>ok I'll do that was typing on the powerbook and testing on the mac mini
19:27<donofrio>12.3 xbmc loaded!!! yes thanks just need firefox flash (or icewhesale)
19:27<bnnk>have you tried installing chromatic/
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19:29<jmcnaught>donofrio: iceweasel is firefox. wheezy comes with the Extended Support Release (ESR) which is currently 24. Check out for getting the most recent (heh.. hopefully they have powerpc builds)
19:29<donofrio>ice is working just need flash
19:29<jmcnaught>donofrio: for flash your best option is probably to use gnash. It will at least work for youtube videos
19:29<donofrio>however I get it
19:29<bnnk>adobe flash has deb packages as well for linux
19:30<donofrio>need the interacive flash like useful for addictinggames and the like
19:30<bnnk>worked for my iceweasel
19:30<jmcnaught>adobe doesn't release for powerpc anymore (or maybe they never did for linux powerpc)
19:30<donofrio>whoa graphics are way slow...
19:31<donofrio>anyone have a hardware device applet liek mint16 and ubuntu has I think I need radion drivers )-:
19:31<bnnk>does power pc use dmg?
19:31<donofrio>bnnk, osx uses dmg;s not debain
19:31<donofrio>unusablely slow....
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19:34<donofrio>and the whole cycle contiunes....what I mean is I went from ubuntu to mint16 cause it had the correct video drivers for the kernel that allowed the opengl calls for java to be accelurated ubuntu didn't have this support)
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19:36<zenlunatic>petn-randall: why do you use jessie over sid?
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19:48<jmcnaught>donofrio: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
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19:50<donofrio>no I'll go grab it....cause this slowness is killing me in xbmc
19:52<donofrio>jmcnaught, do I need anything edited in sources.list?
19:52<jmcnaught>donofrio: not sure what your sources.list looks like right now, but the AtiHowTo wiki page i linked to has pretty thorough instructions
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19:53<donofrio>oohh new initramfs stuff....gonna have to reboot and see whatr this 20kb deb provided
19:53<donofrio>3.2.0-4-powerpc now....rebooting the mini...
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19:54<donofrio>jmcnaught, didn't seem to install any ati anything - I mean its just now rebooted but I'm just remebering what it installed...
19:55<donofrio>coming back up now
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19:55<donofrio>is it cause gdm3 (gnome3 failes?)
19:55<jmcnaught>does not computer
19:55<jmcnaught>oops... sorry what happened?
19:56<donofrio>first login after reboot
19:57<donofrio>doesn't feel any faster
19:58<jmcnaught>donofrio: well there's some more stuff you can do on that wiki page i linked to above
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20:04<donofrio>who uses as a real site, weird if you ask me...just sharing
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20:10<retrospectacus>you have to reboot.
20:11<donofrio>just did that checking (-:
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20:13<donofrio>ok it says its load now....
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20:14<donofrio>its still way slow in xbmc
20:15<donofrio>gotta be using software renedering
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20:22<donofrio>no audio from xbmc )-;
20:22<donofrio>along with being molassis slow
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20:27<donofrio>gou = software rasterizer....humm and why no audio?
20:28<donofrio>gpu i meant from inside xbmc
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20:31<donofrio>says "Failed to open mixer: /dev/mixer"
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20:32<cae>I have a 25MB PNG file I'd like to view. feh or rather libpng crashes and displays random stuff, gimp displays the file but is pretty slow. Can someone suggest a slim png viewer?
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20:34<donofrio>anyone have a cmdline video test to see if its hw accell is working?
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20:38<donofrio>xbmc error log @
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20:44<donofrio>what's doing sniffing around
20:46<donofrio>is wheezy old?
20:47<jmcnaught>donofrio: your last paste contains a line about it being a software renderer
20:47<donofrio>cause I just install pianobar and its from 2012.05.06-02 and I don't even think that version will work thought it had to be from build 2013 I'll test and let you know quick
20:47<donofrio>xbmc is software rendering even thought the firmware for the ati is loaded
20:48<donofrio>opps wrong kbd
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20:52<donofrio>pianobar failed
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20:55<donofrio>what does x11 use for conf =? xorg.conf?
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20:57<jmcnaught>donofrio: yes, i think it mentions in on
20:58<donofrio>I'm reading that page
20:58<donofrio>just cannot find the file on localsys
20:58<jmcnaught>donofrio: recent versions of xorg don't have the file by default. if it doesn't exist is auto-configures itself, but you can create the file if you need to customize
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20:59<donofrio>well it said I need to add the ati settings to how
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21:04<jmcnaught>donofrio: has information on that
21:05<donofrio>still concerned about the kernel driver reporting to the javagl layer
21:05<donofrio>it seems like I take two steps forward and one back when dealing with multi arch
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21:19<jmcnaught>donofrio: well keep at it, you'll figure it out. i guess maybe there are fewer and fewer powerpc users testing and fixing stuff. FWIW I got wheezy working pretty well on an imac g4 about a year ago
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21:21<donofrio>jmcnaught, I mean its working just not to the level of i386 and such....
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21:22<jmcnaught>donofrio: well even x86 computers need extra work a lot of the time
21:25<donofrio>jmcnaught, I agree to a point, I found with ubuntu and now mint16 that I can setup a workstation within an hour'ish with everything I need to be a daily driver at work see and you'll see I use mint16 (kissing cousin to debian) for the middle and right most monitors daily I rebuild them alot and found these distro's setup (along with debian) setup quickly and work just when I get home
21:25<donofrio> all i mostly have is powerpc donation hardware
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21:27<donofrio>does anyone here use synergy
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21:35<jmcnaught>manuel: need some help?
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21:36<manuel>is my first time on xchat
21:37<jmcnaught>manuel: well this is the support channel for Debian Wheezy, so if you have that installed and need some help please ask! Otherwise there are tonnes of other channels and servers
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21:38<manuel>How can i talk normally here?
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21:39<jmcnaught>manuel: this isn't a social channel, it's for help with Debian Wheezy
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21:41<manuel>Mmmm... ok. Can i ask for sid?
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21:43<jmcnaught>there's #debian-next for that :)
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21:45<donofrio>so wheezy is old?
21:45<jmcnaught>donofrio: no
21:47<manuel>Cool! I will like know more about linux... i probed Canaima (Venezuelan version of Debian), ubuntu, debian 5/6/7 and sid, linux mint and puppy linux
21:48<chealer>donofrio: define "old"
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22:11<donofrio>yah dropping your phone and going back to an olderhandset is fun over the phone while I'm looking for my xorg.conf
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22:16<donofrio>how do I get xorg to dynamically create what its currently using into its xorg.conf file?
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22:28<irritatingNewbie>Trying to get shared folders working with VMWare 10 and Debian 7.5. Tried using open-vm-tools, but not having luck with that either. Ideas?
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22:51<tunjitx>hi, i'm having trouble with some package installation in a multiarch setup. can anyone lend me a hand?
22:55<jmcnaught>probably someone can, if you describe the problem you're having
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23:00<tunjitx>my system is amd64, and i've add i386 arch. I need to install libgnomeprint2.2-0:i386, but it depends on libgnomeprint-2.2-data with is not available in i386, but it is in amd64. That pkg is not architecture specific, looking at the web page for that pkg it is for all architectures. I can install the amd64 version, but apt will still not install the main pkg i'm interested in, even passing '--ignore-missing'. any ideas?
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23:01<tunjitx>i fetched the pkg source, but i'm not sure how to make an i386 version, if anyone knows how to do that i'm game to try that too
23:02<themill>that package isn't multiarch'd at all
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23:05<dmann>Request for advice - want to rebuild a debian package from source and include untracked upstream changes - how do people do it?
23:05<themill>dpkg: tell dmann about package recompile
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23:07<dmann>the package has an modified version on github (the package is rancid). There's debian control info on the github package, but I don't know if it's "best" to build that and add it to my repo or to try and merge those changes into the official debian package and then rebuild it...
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23:08<themill>dmann: you can reuse the debian packaging from an older version with a newer upstream tarball quite easily (you may need to make the tarball yourself). /msg dpkg uupdate
23:09<tunjitx>themill - is there a way i can tell apt that pkg is not arch specific, or any way to skip that dependency with apt-get or other tool?
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23:09<dmann>themill: thanks
23:10<themill>tunjitx: multiarch does not yet define how to deal with a foreign-arch package depending on an arch:all package. If you explicitly set the arch:all package to be "Multi-Arch: foreign" then I think apt and dpkg will be happy.
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23:14<tunjitx>themill: ok, thanks. i will try to rebuild the pkg using the multiarch recipies
23:15<themill>btw this package is in oldlibs so it's scheduled for removal...
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23:21<donofrio>how do I get xorg ro export its setting to xorg.conf?
23:24<jmcnaught>donofrio: look for the section "what if i don't have an xorg.conf file?"
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23:33<sleser>guys any idia . flash videos take too long to load ones i scroll to the middle rite away ?
23:33<sleser>bad internet ?
23:33<sleser>bad streaming side ?
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23:36<SamB>sleser: flash is just terrible at movies?
23:36<sleser>it isnt terrible just tonite its doing this loading too long thingy
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23:36<sleser>it does the job to watch a movie its a good tool to have
23:36<SamB>oh yes it is terrible!
23:36<sleser>how els to watch it ?
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23:37<sleser>vlc isnt doing this website i watch from
23:37<sleser>vlc only does the youtube
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23:39<jmcnaught>sleser: if it's just tonight it's probably network issues
23:39<sleser>is what i was wondering.
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23:40<sleser>ok back to the movie . happy memorial day for who ever selebrates it . or not . also
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23:41<SamB>sleser: twenty more minutes and I could have told you "too late!"
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