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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-05-28

---Logopened Wed May 28 00:00:08 2014
---Daychanged Wed May 28 2014
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00:01<newbage1>I can see the device 'debian' on my router
00:02<newbage1>it must be something with how debian is handling network traffic
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00:03<newbage1>somiaj: well, thanks for getting it to connect to the AP
00:03<newbage1>:)
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00:06<somiaj>newbage1: maybe you have a confusing route, also try this 'ifup lo' you didn't have your loopback device in that file originally
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00:07<somiaj>newbage1: and if all else fails, maybe try a reboot, could have been your mucking around confused the routes somehow.
00:08<newbage1>somiaj: reboot it is
00:10<newbage1>somiaj: my mucking around confused the routes
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00:10<newbage1>reboot worked
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00:21<newbage1>just to clean things up, I have several kernel options when I install rather than the 2 there should be… do I still have my previous kernels installed and, if so, how do I get rid of them?
00:21<newbage1>several kernel options when I boot… not install
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00:28<somiaj>newbage1: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
00:28<somiaj>newbage1: remove the images assocated with the versions you don't want anymore
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00:33<newbage1>somiaj: and how do I tell which kernel I'm currently booted on?
00:34<jm_>!kernel version
00:34<dpkg>To determine which kernel version you are running use the command: uname -r
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00:35<newbage1>jm_: hello again
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00:36<somiaj>newbage1: you also probabaly want to keep the meta package installed (it is like linux-image-amd64 and has no version assoicated with it)
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00:38<newbage1>ok, so I have 4 images: 3.14 bpo; 3.14; 3.2; and the meta package
00:38<newbage1>it says I'm booted on 3.14
00:38<newbage1>so I can safely rm the others?
00:38<newbage1>3.14 bpo and 3.2
00:39<newbage1>?
00:39<jm_>no, you need to keep 3.14 bpo
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00:41<newbage1>why are 3.14 and 3.14 bpo separate but both required?
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00:46<newbage1>and why am I on the 3.14 kernel if I upgraded to jessie?
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00:47<miguel>holaa
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00:47<miguel>holaaaaaa
00:48<zykotick9>!es
00:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
00:48<miguel>hello
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01:00<jm_>newbage1: one is a meta package
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01:00<jm_>wait, you are on jessie? I thought you are still using wheezy, in that case bpo kernel can be removed I guess
01:00<newbage1>I'm on jessie now
01:01<newbage1>a lot happened after you left
01:01<newbage1>lol
01:01<newbage1>I'm very close to the GUI now
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01:02<mask>has anyone found apparmor and/or SELinux to be necessary or useful on debian? im trying to decide whether i should try installing one or the other
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01:06<victory>newbage1: from now on you should ask on #debian-next instead as you are using jessie now
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01:07<sreesh>gud mng
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01:11<newbage1>victory: no problem… sorry everyone for being so persistent here… there's a lot I'm trying to learn… I'll certainly come back to help out after becomin more knowledgable
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02:27<sreesh>gud aftrnoon everyone
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02:28<sreesh>hi
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02:29<sreesh>halo
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02:37<sreesh>.....
02:38<sreesh>()
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02:40<themill>sreesh: do you have a Debian question we can help you with?
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04:04<newbieDebian>hello everyone
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04:06<planetmaker>hi.
04:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 684] by debhelper
04:07<newbieDebian>anyone possibly can help me to expand my \usr partition. I am quitre new to Debian
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04:07<planetmaker>your /usr or your /home partition?
04:08<newbieDebian>it is 8 gig and 400mb left on drive
04:09<planetmaker>options depend a bit. You probably want to look at the use of gpartd
04:09<planetmaker>*gpart
04:10<newbieDebian>I tried with redo backup disc and gpart was on it
04:10<newbieDebian>I could not manage it
04:10<jm_>why would your /usr take 8G?
04:10<newbieDebian>it doesnt give me to make it bigger only gives me option to make it smaller
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04:11<newbieDebian>I dont know maybe too much stuff in it
04:11<planetmaker>jm_, that's easy. Mine also covers 7.2G currently
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04:12<Nemoder>mine is 21gb :s
04:12<newbieDebian>maybe I have other OS's on virtual drive
04:13<newbieDebian>I have about 60 gig free space also
04:13<planetmaker>newbieDebian, in /usr there are not other OS. But if there's no space on your HDD, you cannot resize the partitions, of course
04:13<devil>newbieDebian: you do not seem to know much for certain :)
04:13<planetmaker>and if the space is in the wrong place, you might need to move / shrink some partitions first
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04:14<Nemoder>newbieDebian: the program baobab might help show you where the space is going
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04:14<newbieDebian>yes I think one of the partition is about 160 gig
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04:14<jm_>just checked and it's 13G here too, but 6G of that is /usr/src so about the same size then
04:15<devil>newbieDebian: you could pastebin df -h to make things more clear
04:15<newbieDebian>ok
04:15<devil>newbieDebian: pastebin means to http://paste.debian.net
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04:16<miikkajo>hi, i have problem with kvm guest debian 7
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04:16<miikkajo>after reboot lvm volumes are inactive and i have to manually lvchange -ay volumes from initramfs
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04:17<miikkajo>guest has been working ok about year
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04:26<newbieDebian>just send it by pastebin
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04:27<Nemoder>newbieDebian: you'll have to paste the link it returned here so we know what it is
04:29<newbieDebian>http://paste.debian.net/102178
04:29<newbieDebian>thanks
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04:31<Nemoder>so it looks like you might be able to shrink your home partition to free up enough space to either make /usr bigger or create a new partition for it
04:31<Nemoder>but do make sure you backup important data first
04:33<newbieDebian>I have no data on here actually
04:33<devil>newbieDebian: if you are newbie, as you say, wy do you have separate /var and /usr partitions?
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04:34<jm_>and /tmp ...
04:34<newbieDebian>it is done automatically by the installation
04:35<devil>newbieDebian: i doubt tat
04:35<devil>that, even
04:35<Nemoder>what version of debian are you installing?
04:35<newbieDebian>should be together
04:36<newbieDebian>I installed from network versin 64 bit wheezy
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04:37<Nemoder>wheezy wont split it up like that by default, perhaps you had an older install from something else on there?
04:37<newbieDebian>version 7.4
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04:37<jm_>if you don't mind perhaps reinstalling would be the best
04:37<newbieDebian>latest one about a month ago
04:38<newbieDebian>ok
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04:38<petan>hi can someone explain me how debian/rules file works?
04:38<jm_>otherwise do what Nemoder said
04:38<jm_>debian/rules is a makefile
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04:39<petan>jm: I need to set up environment before build based on system status, can I use it like a shell script?
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04:40<petan>I have a source package which needs to make sure that there is compiler which support c++11 and that it is used for build
04:40<petan>right now, even if g++-4.7 is installed in system, cmake decides to use g++ 4.6 which fails
04:40<Oebele>hello everybody, I recently re-installed debian 7, and I had expected to be working in Unity now, but it seems like I am working in Gnome 2, any idea what's wrong?
04:41<petan>in cmake channel they told me that cmake doesn't support this feature yet so I have to somehow make the packaging process change the build variables in cmake by passing it some arguments or setting environment variables before build that contains the path to proper compiler
04:41<newbieDebian>actually there was 3 option for installation and I select the 3rd option a complicated one probably that is the reason
04:41<jm_>petan: you can specify commands to be used for building, this depends on how you create debian/rules
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04:42<jm_>newbieDebian: probably
04:42<petan>I was following that guide https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging
04:42<petan>it doesn't say much about that file
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04:42<petan>debian/rules can actually be quite a complicated file. However, the dh command in debhelper version 7 has made it possible to keep it this simple in many cases.
04:44<newbieDebian>you think it is better if I format and reinstall according to the first option which just creates 2 partitions?
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04:44<planetmaker>certainly makes things easier to just have / and /home as partitions :)
04:45<devil>newbieDebian: asetup with /, /home and /swap (if needed) is te ideal setup for you
04:45<planetmaker>yeah, /swap indeed :)
04:45<newbieDebian>yes it was the first option
04:45<devil>newbieDebian: is tat a notebook?
04:45<newbieDebian>yes
04:45<newbieDebian>it has al;so win7
04:46<devil>ok, ten you want swap
04:46<devil>grrr, my h hangs :)
04:46<newbieDebian>I hardly managed to install this actually
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04:46<devil>newbieDebian: 2nd time around is easier :)
04:47<newbieDebian>yes exactly
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04:48<newbieDebian>thanks I 'd better begin reinstalling
04:48<SynrG>Oebele: probably you are in GNOME classic
04:49<SynrG>Not GNOME 2
04:49<Oebele>SynrG: yes, that's what I mean I think
04:49<newbieDebian>have a good day and see you soon
04:49<Oebele>SynrG: right back, let me check something
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04:50<Oebele>SynrG: ah, there is a selection option between 'GNOME' and 'GNOME classic' in the login
04:50<Oebele>I'll try that first
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04:51<Oebele>SynrG: nope, still in classic, even though I selected 'GNOME'
04:51<sreesh>gud aftrnn
04:51<SynrG>Oebele: this is a graphics driver problem
04:51<Oebele>ah
04:52<Oebele>I think the first time I logged in there was a notification about it, but I didn' t manage to read it before it disappeared
04:52<SynrG>Oebele: lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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04:53<Oebele>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GT 640] [10de:0fc1] (rev a1)
04:53<sreesh>gud aftrnn all
04:53<Oebele>suppose I'll need to install proprietary drivers right?
04:53<Oebele>good afternoon sreesh
04:53<Oebele>at least the nvidia ones are generally quite good
04:53<Oebele>primary reason for me to prefer nvidia
04:54<SynrG>Oebele: probably
04:54<petn-randall>Oebele: primary reason for me to prefer intel: You get 100% FOSS drivers out of the box. :)
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04:55<Oebele>really? never knew that
04:55<Oebele>for what kind of hardware do you mean that, petn-randall?
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04:55<SynrG>sure. but typically lower performance. lately i've been going the middle road, which is to buy radeon
04:55<SynrG>using the free radeon driver + non-free firmware
04:55<SynrG>decent performance, free driver.
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04:57<petn-randall>Oebele: graphics drivers. Though they not even close to the performance of the high-end cards from nvidia/AMD.
04:57<petn-randall>*graphics cards
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04:57<Oebele>which series do I have to think of with Intel? In terms of graphics cards I only think of nvidia and radeon
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04:58<jm_>Oebele: any modern CPU from them
04:58<Oebele>ah, the APU things you mean?
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04:59<jm_>only AMD calls them APU, I was talking about intel ones
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05:00<SynrG>Oebele: anyway, add non-free to sources and install nvidia, and you should be fine
05:00<Oebele>I understand they are very good price for what you get
05:00<Oebele>wow that sentence is bad
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05:25<Oebele>SynrG: whooo it worked :) thanks!
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05:27<SynrGy>super!
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05:32<Oebele>and so far I quite like the new window manager
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05:32<Oebele>except one thing - the systray
05:33<Oebele>I can' t see the quassel icon blinking for example
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05:35<arif> /server 37.59.215.249 45891 50l$@bL550l$
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05:37<kblin>arguably that _was_ a nice password
05:40<SynrG>Oebele: i used to use "evil status icon forever" extension for that
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05:40<SynrG>Only applied to mm LM mm
05:41<SynrG>Arggh. Hit enter on phone not delete
05:41<nyamo>How do I create PPAs for Debian?
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05:41<SynrG>Only applies to older versions of gnome eg wheezy
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05:51<DrZaius>i just installed nmap in my remote wheezy server and ended up with x11-common installed somehow u.u
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05:52<sven>gotta love those recommends!
05:52<petn-randall>DrZaius: Always check dem recommends!
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05:52<sven>DrZaius: 'aptitude why x11-common'
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05:53<sreesh>ssds
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05:54<DrZaius>liblinear1 u.u
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05:54<DrZaius>petn-randall: is not recomend... is depend
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05:55<DrZaius>okay... the chain to x11-commong might be on groff recomends u.u
05:56<themill>x11-common is also only a handful of config files.
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08:08<troubadix>Greetings to you all. I'm testing AV-Linux which is based on Debian6, but comes with a 3.10.27avl2-pae Kernel. Also jack is configured to manage audio connections. Now the funny thing is that I have all these professional audio tools, but no idea how to switch the sound output to external speakers, i. e. to the earphones-jack. Used to switch between laptop and stereo-amplifier using pavucontrol, or in a tricky case gstreamer-prope
08:08<troubadix>rties, but that doesn't seem to be the way in AV-Linux. Anyone any ideas? Experiences? Thanx in advance...
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08:10<jm_>!av linux
08:10<dpkg>AV Linux (formerly A/V Linux) is a 32-bit Live DVD distribution based on Debian <squeeze> (as of version 6). It specializes in multimedia content creation using realtime-patched kernels. AV Linux is not supported in #debian. Support forum: http://remastersys.com/forums/?board=20 . http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html See also <based on debian>.
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08:18<troubadix>Ok. Thanks and sorry bv
08:21<jm_>looking at jackd2 pacakge in debian it has lots of commands, maybe it's worth looking at those
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08:21<jm_>or ask #jack on irc.freenode.net.
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08:25<troubadix>Thanks jm, I'll take a look...
08:25<jm_>no problem
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09:05<sreesh>gud evng
09:06<sreesh>gud
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09:15<sreesh>gud evng all
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09:15<sreesh>gud eng all
09:15<themill>sreesh: do you have a Debian question we can help you with?
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09:16<sreesh>i have no debian question
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09:18<sreesh>please help me in IRC
09:19<sreesh>please
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09:44<Sawyer>I was looking to change an old xp machine to debian, was wondering if anyone knows the hardware compatibility of dual PIIs, a radeon 9000 based tv tuner, and an adaptec fast/ultra scsi adapter
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09:44<jonadab>The dual PIIs should be no problem.
09:45<jonadab>I have no experience with TV tuners, and all my SCSI experience is on non-Intel architectures.
09:45<petn-randall>Sawyer: Boot the Debian Live CD, and you should know if anything doesn't work. But stuff from that era should all work out of the box, maybe not winmodem and some printers.
09:45<jonadab>Yeah, LiveCD is a good way to test basic hardware compatibility.
09:46<Sawyer>was just trying to get an idea before I burned a disc is all
09:46<planetmaker>use an USB stick. Though such old machines might not boot from usb
09:46<Sawyer>it doesn't without assistance from floppy
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09:47<jonadab>Right, limited USB support is normal for a PII-era BIOS.
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09:47<somiaj>Sawyer: most hardware compadability is a factor of the linux kernel, so do you know if you get support for any other distro?
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09:48<Sawyer>no idea, xp was working fine til recently, never had any reason to change it
09:49<somiaj>Sawyer: the tv tuner may be an issue, but unless that scsci card is really exotic I think it will work.
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09:50<Sawyer>writing the iso to a flash stick now, also the pc is hooked to a tv so the tv tuner is pretty critical
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09:52<OdyX>win 22
09:52<somiaj>Sawyer: is it a tv tuner and video card? The two thigns are different, but a radeon video card might be supported via the radeon driver
09:52<Sawyer>it's one of those radeon all in wonders
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09:53<somiaj>yea livecd will test it for you, if you can't boot from usb easily might have to actually just burn a cd.
09:53<Sawyer>it's not a problem, I use a floppy with plop on it, never had a pc not usb boot with it
09:53<blast007>Sawyer: the 'gatos' package sounds like it may interest you: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gatos
09:54<blast007>not sure what devices it supports, though
09:55<Sawyer>says it doesn't support the newest ones, so odds seem decent
09:55<Sawyer>this is actually my newest all in wonder, can fall back on a rage 128 based one as well
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09:56<Sawyer>going to go give it a try, be back
09:57<blast007>http://gatos.sourceforge.net/supported_cards.php (It does support the 8500DV, which is an R200 like the 9000, so maybe)
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10:12<Sawyer>well, looks like the system works perfectly, no errors and tv out is working fine :D
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10:13<Sawyer>was worried a bit due to the very odd hardware in this machine
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10:14<alumno>hola
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10:15<GB>hola
10:15<alumno>hola gb
10:15<GB>trbrtbrtbtrb
10:15<GB>trb
10:15<GB>trb
10:15<GB>tr
10:15<GB>vrt
10:15<GB>
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10:15<GG>hmm
10:15<GG>-_-
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10:17<alumno>holaaaaa
10:17<alumno>gdgwbvkjarebvahbrvsayuervhberwjvbhrevbehbverv hberkjbhkehbkutjruhblr
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10:17<ncl>!es
10:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:17<ncl>And no, that's not an invitation to spam there
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10:18<Stummi>I don't think thats espanol ;)
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10:18<Alumno>hola
10:18<ncl>I assume the "hola" is
10:18<Alumno>yes hello ohola
10:18<Alumno>bay
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10:19<GG>bv9uwe
10:19<GG>-_-
10:19<GG>hmm
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10:49<zathras>SNMP check (walk) server A to switch X : ok, server A to NAS Y: ok. server B to switch X : timeout, server B to NAS Y : ok. I checked switch X for ACLs etc. No such thing. How can I debug please?
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10:53<troy_>Hey -- how can I download a wheezy 7.2 ISO (vs current)? Do I need to spelunk through snapshots.debian.org?
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10:54<retrospectacus>zathras: ##networking on freenode
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10:54<retrospectacus>troy_: why?
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10:55<sreesh>gud...
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10:56<troy_>retrospectacus: i've been told that it's what a customer specifically is using (and not 7.[345]). ideally, i probably would just need to downgrade the kernel from 3.20 to 3.14 if that's easier
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10:57<petn-randall>sreesh: Stop spamming this channel. If you have a support question regarding Debian, ask it.
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10:58<retrospectacus>7.2 has the heartbleed bug
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10:59<sreesh>sorry
10:59<retrospectacus>troy_: wheezy has kernel 3.2 (not 3.20) or 3.14 in backports
10:59<troy_>I've got what I need working in 7.5, but they're looking for some bureaucratic checkbox that it works in 7.2 :)
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11:00<troy_>Sorry 20 was a typo ... thanks, I'll backport it
11:00<petn-randall>troy_: the 7.x point releases are just updated installation media. An up-to-date system that was installed from 7.0 should be identical to 7.5 + security fixes.
11:00<troy_>thanks all :)
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11:03<sreesh>sorry
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11:03<retrospectacus>sreesh: Stop spamming this channel. If you have a support question regarding Debian, ask it.
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11:04<sreesh>no
11:04<retrospectacus>then be silent
11:04<sreesh>i m not spaming it
11:04<retrospectacus>yes, you are
11:04<retrospectacus>if you want to talk to someone, go to #moocows
11:05<sreesh>pls help me create a channel
11:05<blast007>sreesh: just /join some channel that doesn't exist yet
11:05<sreesh>I m new in IRC
11:05<retrospectacus>sreesh: that is not a debian question
11:06<petn-randall>sreesh: We already told you how to join another channel: /join #sreesh
11:07<sreesh>I m leaving
11:07<sreesh>sorry for in convenience
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11:22<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps can you guys get to google.com?
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11:23<retrospectacus>Eryn_1983_FL: yes
11:24<mtn>Eryn_1983_FL: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
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11:24<Eryn_1983_FL>weird
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11:24<Eryn_1983_FL>it played a youtube video but i cant get to google.com
11:24<ncl>"but what if downforeveryoneorjustme goes down?!"
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11:24<mtn>oh noes!
11:25<ncl>Eryn_1983_FL: traceroute?
11:25<Eryn_1983_FL>oh there we go
11:25<Eryn_1983_FL>now it is there..
11:25<Eryn_1983_FL>i suspect it is the nsa..
11:25<Eryn_1983_FL>or comcast one of the two..
11:26<retrospectacus>change your search provider to startpage.com
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11:28<Eryn_1983_FL>yup
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11:42<ki7mt>John, so would you recommend one PPA or one PPA for each application?
11:42<ki7mt>Whoops, wrong channel, sri.
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12:22<jonadab>Does gdm have exclusive province over the ability to put a separate login session (different user account) inside a window (via Xnest or Xephyr), or is it possible to do this with kdm/xdm/other display managers as well?
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12:23<jonadab>Any attempt to Google this returns six thousand articles on how to run one DE in a window under another, with the same user account.
12:23<jonadab>At least half of said articles appear to be copy-pasted from each other.
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12:39<CiscoJames>o/
12:39<CiscoJames>anyone using dualscreen here ?
12:39<retrospectacus>CiscoJames: hi
12:39<retrospectacus>!anyone
12:39<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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12:40<CiscoJames>hi retrospectacus
12:41<CiscoJames>I'm using 2 screens, main one, 1440*900, and secondary, 1024*768
12:42<CiscoJames>and when i'm opening a new window/program, it opens on the secondary screen.
12:42<CiscoJames>same with flash player : fullscreen vids are opened on 2nd screen.
12:43<CiscoJames>d'you know how i can change that ?
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12:43<DrZaius>CiscoJames: xranr --set--primary (and the output you want
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12:44<retrospectacus>xrandr *
12:44<DrZaius>xrandr --output VGA1 --primary
12:45<DrZaius>nvidia-settings also allows you to set your primary monitor
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12:45<DrZaius>but in my experience is broken at times
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12:45<DrZaius>(if you use nvidia, thats it)
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12:45<CiscoJames>well, my GC is an Nvidia, but i haven't installed any drivers
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12:46<DrZaius>xrandr should work then
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12:46<DrZaius>without parameters to see the different name of your outputs
12:46<amirpaia>i want remote access on windows 2008 server from debian wheezy. how can i?
12:47<DrZaius>amirpaia: rdesktop
12:47<CiscoJames>yup
12:47<CiscoJames>ok
12:47<CiscoJames>I'll try
12:47<DrZaius>CiscoJames: theres a visual tool called arandr
12:47<CiscoJames>installed by default ?
12:47<DrZaius>it allows you to do similar stuff visually
12:47<DrZaius>mmm not sure
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12:48<CiscoJames>aptitude install arandr ?
12:48<DrZaius>yes
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12:48<CiscoJames>i'll try with xrandr 1st ;)
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12:49<DrZaius>CiscoJames: good call... im checking arandr (which is a frontend for xrandr) and doesnt have the option to set primary monitor
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12:49<DrZaius>yet
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12:51<amirpaia><DrZaius> it's great! tnx
12:53<CiscoJames>DrZaius: installed arandr, but it ain't solving the issue.
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12:53<DrZaius>didnt xrandr fixed the issue?
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12:54<CiscoJames>well the main screen was already defined as a main screen (with the app bar etc) but new windows of everything always seem to open on the 2nd screen.
12:55<CiscoJames>especially with fulscreen flash.
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12:55<DrZaius>then im not sure about it... it does work for me (tm)
12:55<CiscoJames>:/
12:56<CiscoJames>and on youtube, fullscreen vids are with sidebars
12:56<CiscoJames>which makes the vid even smaller than in normal :D
12:56<DrZaius>CiscoJames: yeah... that happened to me at some point as well... not sure what fixed it
12:56<DrZaius>sudo update-flashplugin --install
12:57<DrZaius>it doesnt do it automatically
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12:57<DrZaius>and not sure what else
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12:58<CiscoJames>update-flashplugin : command not found
12:58<CiscoJames>oO
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12:58<DrZaius><tab> <tab>?
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13:00<CiscoJames>ouch
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13:00<CiscoJames>i won't post that here
13:00<CiscoJames>too big
13:00<daniel_>joo
13:00<daniel_>hello!
13:00<daniel_>how are you
13:00<daniel_>?
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13:00<retrospectacus>!chat
13:00<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
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13:01<daniel_>sudo apt-get install xchat
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13:01<DrZaius>update-flashplugin-nonfree
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13:06<CiscoJames>hmm
13:07<CiscoJames>adobe site says "You have version 11,2,202,359 installed"
13:07<CiscoJames>last available linux version.
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13:08<miguel>hola
13:08<CiscoJames>DrZaius: I took a screenshot
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13:08<CiscoJames>i'll show you
13:09<DrZaius>i just upgraded... this is the last version 2.20.194.70
13:09<DrZaius>not sure that is going to fix your issue tho
13:10<CiscoJames>http://s24.postimg.org/3vpwy2yf9/Capture_du_2014_05_28_19_07_42.png
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13:10<CiscoJames>you got the 2 screens here
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13:10<CiscoJames>see ? black bands left and right.
13:10<DrZaius>yeah, i knew what you were talking about... as i said, it happened to me too
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13:11<DrZaius>but it doesnt happen anymore
13:11<CiscoJames>ok. just wanted to be sure ^^
13:11<DrZaius>maybe upgrading iceweasel
13:11<CiscoJames>hmm.
13:11<CiscoJames>ah !
13:11<DrZaius>or flash
13:11<CiscoJames>i updated flash.
13:11<DrZaius>or nvidia driver
13:11<CiscoJames>ah !
13:11<CiscoJames>that.
13:11<CiscoJames>I didnt do that yet.
13:11<DrZaius>i run jessie... not sure what fixed it for me
13:11<CiscoJames>jessie ?
13:11<DrZaius>testing
13:12<CiscoJames>(im quite new to linux, sry ^^'
13:12<DrZaius>jessie is the name of the next release... just like the stable is called wheezy... next stable is going to be jessie
13:13<CiscoJames>ah you meant the debian version :)
13:13<CiscoJames>ok
13:13<CiscoJames>I'll try to update nvidia drivers
13:13<CiscoJames>but i've got a few problems to solve first
13:13<DrZaius>CiscoJames: are you running stable?
13:13<CiscoJames>yup. wheezy.
13:13<DrZaius>and do you install nvidia drivers from repos or from nvidia page?
13:14<CiscoJames>i don't know AT ALL :D
13:14<DrZaius>thehehe
13:14<CiscoJames>didnt really try yet
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13:15<CiscoJames>i'll chack
13:15<CiscoJames>-a+e
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13:16<CiscoJames>hmm
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13:16<CiscoJames>DrZaius: from nvidia website, i can get a .run file
13:17<CiscoJames>and there's a way using repos too, detailed here.
13:17<CiscoJames>https://wiki.debian.org/fr/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
13:17<DrZaius>yeah... its not very hard... but is not trivial either
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13:17<musurgia>Hi, don't mean to interrupt. When there's a chance, I have a question about setting permissions for a user installation in /opt.
13:17<DrZaius>yeah... not sure how up to date the wiki is
13:17<DrZaius>when i try following debian wiki for nvidia drivers it was a mess
13:17<CiscoJames>:D
13:18<CiscoJames>musurgia: i'll try to be quick for my last question, promise :)
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13:18<musurgia>CiscoJames: no problem at all :)
13:18<CiscoJames>DrZaius: if i try to use the .run, won't it tell me that i'm already running a GUI ?
13:19<DrZaius>CiscoJames: yeah, you have to install it from a tty with alt ctrl f1
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13:19<DrZaius>and do a sudo service gdm3 stop first
13:19<DrZaius>o whatever you are running
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13:19<CiscoJames>GNOME 3, i think.
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13:20<CiscoJames>ok I'll try that
13:20<DrZaius>you can do service gdm3 status to see if thats the one you have to stop
13:20<DrZaius>it can be gdm3/lightdm/kdm
13:21<CiscoJames>good idea. thanks :) musurgia, your turn ;) sry !
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13:21<DrZaius>musurgia: just ask... if somebody knows the answer will tell you
13:21<DrZaius>if no... well nobody will
13:21<musurgia>Okay, Wheezy's package of lilypond is too old, and there is no backport;
13:22<musurgia>lilypond.org provides a shell script installer for their current stable version
13:22<junior_>Noel fils
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13:22<musurgia>Default is to install in /home, but I would like to install in /opt.
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13:22<musurgia>(1) Is this a good idea, (2) can I set permissions to avoid having to install as root?
13:23<DrZaius>you need root to install in /opt :>
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13:23<musurgia>Can I make a subdirectory and change the permissions on that?
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13:23<DrZaius>thats how that directory is supposed to work... i mean, yes, you can do whatever you want
13:23<DrZaius>change permissions and it should work
13:24<musurgia>Do I create a new group and add myself to it?
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13:24<ruabmbua>Hello people. Can somebody give me a clue, how I can upgrade my kernel, if I have a read only /boot filesystem?
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13:24<DrZaius>or just change the user of the folder to yours
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13:25<DrZaius>ruabmbua: why is ro?
13:25<musurgia>DrZaius: Does that mean root won't have access to it?
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13:25<DrZaius>musurgia: root user does not check permissions
13:25<DrZaius>it can access everything
13:25<ruabmbua>Because it is on a device with very limited write operations
13:26<musurgia>Okay, so I create a directory /opt/mynewsoftware, change user of mynewsoftware to me, and then install?
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13:28<CiscoJames>back
13:28<CiscoJames>DrZaius: i got a "permission refused"
13:29<ruabmbua>Okay I think it is pretty stupid what I have done. Write operations should only perform on /boot, if the kernel gets upgraded. So can I change it to rw?
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13:31<DrZaius>ruabmbua: yeah... if you changed the permissions yourself, you have to change it back before updates :P
13:32<DrZaius>CiscoJames: permission refused doing what
13:32<ruabmbua>How about pre and post kernel install scripts? Are they here for such stuff?
13:32<CiscoJames>running the nvidia.run
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13:33<CiscoJames>DrZaius: i just did a chmod +x on it though, might that solve the issue ?
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13:34<DrZaius>ruabmbua: change permissions before upgrade and then change it back
13:34<retrospectacus>CiscoJames: using that is not supported here.
13:35<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell CiscoJames about nvidia dkms
13:35<DrZaius>ruabmbua: you can mount the partition as ro instead of changing permissions to folders
13:35<Tippin>I was wondering if a person gives the who or a command will it show if there is a person making a remote connection to your system?
13:35<ruabmbua>I have done that.
13:36<ruabmbua>But on kernel upgrade it fails, because it can not delete the old kernel, and it can not copy the new one to /boot.
13:37<Tippin>I know tail - auth.log can be used to monitor for remote connections to you computer but is there other ways to monitor for that as we'll?
13:37<retrospectacus>Tippin: yes, who or w or last
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14:16<ronsor>hello
14:16<retrospectacus>hi, ronsor
14:16<ronsor>I've decided that I now prefer Debian for servers
14:16<retrospectacus>smart
14:16<ronsor>cause i just got a vps
14:16<ronsor>be back in a second
14:16<ronsor>going to start tmux
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14:17<ronsor>back
14:17<retrospectacus>ronsor: Do you have a debian support question? If so just ask.
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14:18<ronsor>i'm fine for now
14:18<retrospectacus>if you want to chat head to #debian-offtopic
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14:39<wrent>ye gods the place is loaded with people
14:40<retrospectacus>it's a madhouse
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14:41<wrent>i better keep this bag over my face then
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14:42<wrent>jebus its slow for all of these peeps in here
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14:45<retrospectacus>wrent: because debian is so great, no problems anywhere
14:46<wrent>well heck, yall enjoy life
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15:04<anony>whats up :D its me, lol
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15:06<retrospectacus>anony: don't do that. If you have a support question just ask. If you don't, be quiet. You can chat in #debian-offtopic or #moocows
15:07<anony>oh sorry, yes to my question
15:07<anony>do you get almost daily updates on wheezy from the repositorys?
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15:07<retrospectacus>me? no, but I'm lazy
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15:07<anony>i havent gotten a single update, i only get "system is updated" when i search manually in the GUI for system settings
15:08<anony>feels weird that there is none
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15:10<anony>on my ubuntu computer i get daily stuff of all kinds. do u know if its the same repositories with diff urls?
15:10<spippi>ciao
15:10<retrospectacus>anony: they are totally separate
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15:10<anony>ahaa
15:10<anony>i see, so i should not be worried?
15:12<retrospectacus>make sure you have security.debian.org sources so you get security updates.
15:12<retrospectacus>other than that, debian stable is _stable_ so it doesn't change much.
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15:15<anony>ok thanks retrospectacus
15:16<anony>i got a nvidia card now with working drivers. to switch to a ati card, do i need to remove the nvidia drivers or just install ati drivers and it will ignore the old nvidia drivers?
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15:17<TheReduxPL>Hello, can you guys help me with network configuration of Linux devices (Marionnet)?
15:17<TheReduxPL>I have a weird problem and I feel I am missing something basic
15:17<retrospectacus>anony you'd want to remove the conf for nvidia from the xorg.conf area
15:17<retrospectacus>TheReduxPL: Debian support only
15:18<TheReduxPL>Which channel then?
15:18*retrospectacus shrugs
15:18<retrospectacus>maybe ##networking on freenode, or a Marionnet channel if it exists
15:19<TheReduxPL>I haven't found a Marionnet IRC channel, I'll try the freenode one though, thanks
15:19<retrospectacus>I think it is spelled Marionette
15:19<retrospectacus>that might help
15:19<donofrio_>anyone want to help me out as to why my install is not able to use accellurated graphics when drivers loaded?
15:19<TheReduxPL>No, it's Marionnet, a networking simulator like Cisco Packet Tracer
15:20<anony>donofrio_ ati or nvidia?
15:20<donofrio_>ati
15:20<anony>debian wheezy?
15:20<donofrio_>r200
15:20<donofrio_>yes
15:20<anony>r200 wich is the public card name?
15:20<donofrio_>yah
15:20<anony>HD something x000 number?
15:20<donofrio_>dunno...let me see
15:21<anony>donofrio_ where does the acceleration fail? in a game with 3d or somewhere else?
15:21<retrospectacus>anony: donofrio_ is on PowerPC, can't use fglrx and that is his main problem. He seems to think he can fix it. Best of luck...
15:21<donofrio_>everywhere, in that gnash reports software rendering, glxgears reports software rendering
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15:21<donofrio_>need hardware rendering
15:21<anony>ohh
15:21<anony>:( sounds shitty man
15:22<donofrio_>no its almost working
15:22<donofrio_>kernel driver loaded
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15:22<donofrio_>my xorg log @ http://paste.debian.net/102124
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15:22<anony>thats alot of text man
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15:23<P4C0>Hello, I need help with ldap, upgrade broke it
15:23<P4C0>it seems that this may be the problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openldap/+bug/1003854 but I don't know how to proceed
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15:31<donofrio_>anony, so do you have time to review my xorg log and let me know what I'm missing?
15:32<anony>donofrio_ sorry bro. i got it working following the ATI Wiki with a HD 3xxx series card with them steps recommended. When it comes to powerpc and faillogs like that. Im not ur man.
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15:33<mtn>P4C0: upgrading what? which debian are you running?
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15:34<P4C0>mtn: it's ubuntu actually, but as I understand the package should be the same, equivalent to wheez
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15:34<P4C0>wheezy
15:34<mtn>P4C0: ah, ubuntu is not supported here
15:35<P4C0>mtn: yes, I know, but this issue should be present in debian, no?
15:36<mtn>P4C0: no idea, but ubuntu is not supported here ;)
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15:36<mtn>P4C0: actually, updates don't break things in debian
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15:36<P4C0>mtn: thanks, if it is not reported then probably it's an ubuntu only thing
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15:43<kjm>h all
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16:10<anony>is fglrx f_cked nowadays? the radeon driver works with hardware acceleration but the fglrx doesnt give a screen at all
16:10<anony>o.O
16:12<donofrio_>why would my tty's be graphis ram dump or something else unreadable and not text window
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16:16<DarkUranium>anony: I personally find any AMD-related drivers to always be like that *shrug*
16:16<anony>yeah its very odd
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16:17<anony>can you rename your xorg.conf files to anything like 20-hello.conf ?
16:17<anony>and it still uses the one file there?
16:17<anony>in the folder
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16:17<anony>in wheezy /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
16:17<donofrio_>DarkUranium, what arch are you on?
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16:19<DarkUranium>donofrio_: amd64
16:20<DarkUranium>donofrio_: but AMD drivers for Linux have always been crappy
16:20<donofrio_>oh ok looking for another powerpc ati user (and no-one is even much alive in #DebainPPC)
16:20<anony>donofrio_ are you using fglrx drivers?
16:20<donofrio_>can't
16:21<anony>what Driver "?" are you using in ur xorg.conf?
16:22<donofrio_>radeon
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16:23<towo`>anony, as long, the extension is .conf, the files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ will be used by xorg, tha name doesn't matter
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16:24<towo`>and without a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log no one can say anything to your problem
16:24<anony>thanks towo`
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17:08<idahogirl>hi
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17:11<crunchbangDavid30>Hello there. I am playing around with crunchbang, trying to get it to work on some thin-clients for a school district. When I try to install chromium browser it fails (missing link), and when I tell a terminal to 'sudo apt-get install chromium-browser', it fails
17:12<crunchbangDavid30>I cannot check the content filter to see if it is blocking this traffic, but it usually lets me do what I want with linux. hmm...
17:12<crunchbangDavid30>ideas?
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17:14<trico>which version of debian?
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17:16<retrospectacus>!crunchbang
17:16<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
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17:16<trico>cant keep up with all these distros
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17:18<crunchbangDavid30>oh, I thought debian would be a good support group for a Q
17:18<retrospectacus>you should install Debian, then it will be :)
17:18<crunchbangDavid30>I know its underlying code is debian, but to be fair, so is Ubuntu's
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17:19<crunchbangDavid30>yeah, I am thinking about it. I want to just install specified programs, I have a debian installer... mind you, I have to do this to roughly 60 machines
17:19<crunchbangDavid30>so i am thinking get a good image, then clonezilla!
17:19<retrospectacus>the answer is probably "install chromium not chromium-browser" but we can't say for sure
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17:19<crunchbangDavid30>i will try to apt get chromium
17:20<crunchbangDavid30>I would love to use chromium OS, but hardware is extra 'speshul'
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17:20<retrospectacus>if there are problems please head for the crunchbang channel ^^
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17:21<crunchbangDavid30>yeah, they won't let me in. sorry
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17:21<retrospectacus>you might need to register your nick
17:21<crunchbangDavid30>if you think I am bothering this group, then I will leave, no prob
17:21<crunchbangDavid30>When I tried to install 'chromium' I got 404 not found [IP: 149.20.20.135 80]
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17:22<retrospectacus>crunchbangDavid30: ask the CB channel
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17:26<donofrio_>sounds like missing repro of his distro
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17:29<Ronsor>after editing /etc/network/interfaces, do i need to reboot
17:30<retrospectacus>Ronsor: no, just (ifdown and) ifup the interface(s)
17:30<Ronsor>ok
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17:31<Ronsor>it says ifdown --help for help
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17:32<LtL>Ronsor: ifdown eth0 or whichever your interface is
17:32<Ronsor>ok
17:32<retrospectacus>you want us to type that and then read it to you?
17:32<Ronsor>no
17:32<Ronsor>its fine
17:32<babilen>(or "ifdown -a ; ifup -a")
17:32<LtL>even better
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17:34<Fylar>When you download a .deb file (from the Debian website) and it's from the experimental repository (which is not included in your sources.list file), will it be updated if installed with Debian's "Add/Remove Software" tool?
17:34<retrospectacus>Fylar: not unless (until) there is a newer version available
17:34<chealer>...from your APT sources
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17:36<Ronsor-Alt>hello
17:36<Ronsor-Alt>that failed
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17:36<Ronsor-Alt>now i cant ssh into the vps
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17:36<Fylar>But if there is a newer version available (from the experimental repo that is not in my apt sources file), it will still update, right?
17:37<retrospectacus>Fylar: no
17:37<Fylar>Aww.
17:37<Fylar>Is there any way to only add a specific package from the experimental repository to your apt sources file?
17:37<retrospectacus>Fylar: see "apt-cache policy foo" for "installed" vs. "candidate" version - that is what apt will act upon
17:38<babilen>Ronsor-Alt: It is typically not a good idea to disable the network connection on a remote machine.
17:38<Ronsor-Alt>im new to this
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17:38<Ronsor-Alt>i had no idea
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17:38<Ronsor-Alt>i was trying to get ipv6 tunnel working
17:38<babilen>Ronsor-Alt: So, get back into the box and show us your interfaces file and tell us what you want to do.
17:38<Ronsor-Alt>i have no idea how to get back in
17:39<retrospectacus>Ronsor-Alt: contact your vps provider
17:39<Ronsor-Alt>ok
17:39<retrospectacus>it may just need a "ifup eth0"
17:39<Ronsor-Alt>yeah
17:39<babilen>Ronsor-Alt: No rescue console? And seriously: You have to mention these things and be careful. I know that this is bad, but you have to provide important information such as that.
17:40<retrospectacus>Ronsor-Alt: generally you would run "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" on one command to avoid this (and be damn sure it is going to come up)
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17:40<Ronsor-Alt>i'll do that next time
17:41<retrospectacus>it should go without saying that you don't bring down the interface you are connected through
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17:41<babilen>Well, if hindsight were foresight ...
17:42<babilen>Ronsor-Alt: Sorry for this, I know it sucks, but it shouldn't be too hard to sort out. No remote console access?
17:42<Ronsor-Alt>nope
17:42<babilen>(or can you cycle the box via some click-here-o-tool?)
17:42<Ronsor-Alt>sadly, i can't
17:43<retrospectacus>what crummy vps platform is this?
17:43<chealer>Fylar: no
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17:43<Ronsor-Alt>i'm using a vps from http://hursthosting.com
17:43<Ronsor-Alt>but it was resold to me
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17:45<retrospectacus>best of luck
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17:46<Ronsor-Alt>crap
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17:47<Ronsor-Alt>hit "X" button
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18:12<Fylar>Thanks to all who answered my question. (chealer & retrospectacus)
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18:24<canaima>hola
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18:24<canaima>como estan
18:24<retrospectacus>!es-social canaima
18:24<dpkg>canaima: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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18:29<svario>hi, what do you suggest for sending/receiving remote mails in mutt and keep things as tiny as possible on my laptop? i've seen mutt has integrated support for smtp/pop/imap. is it advisable? or should i use external mta/mra/mda?
18:29<babilen>svario: msmtp + password in gnome keyring
18:29<dualbus>svario: for receiving I LOVE offlineimap
18:30<svario>thanks babilen dualbus, honestly i need just smtp and pop, since i don't use imap
18:31<dualbus>(was using fetchmail+procmail for years, but it always felt as a hack, and breaks interop with other IMAP clients)
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18:31<dualbus>svario: but why? IMAP is superior, but well, it's your choice
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18:33<svario>thanks dualbus since now i think i never needed it... anyways, before asking here i was thinking about getmail + msmtp... do you think it's ok?
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18:33<svario>or even mpop at this point...
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18:37<dualbus>*shrug*, only have used msmtp, fetchmail and offlineimap
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18:51<Ronsor-Alt>got vps fixed
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19:03<grummund>Hi, what would be the steps to create a bootable USB drive to boot the current system (e.g. as a backup so that changes to grub and initramfs can be experimented) ?
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19:05<grummund>is it a case of copying over kernal image an& initrd and running grub-install on the USB drive?
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19:07<retrospectacus>if I understand your goal... "grub-install /dev/sdb" where sdb is your usb drive, should do it
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19:07<retrospectacus>but it is an odd thing to do
19:09<grummund>do i need update-initramfs as well?
19:10<retrospectacus>no... you're still booting the kernel and rootfs on the hard drive right?
19:10<grummund>no the idea is to create those on the usb drive
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19:12<grummund>i think maybe 'rescue' boot disk may be he best analogy
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19:14<grummund>sorry, rootfs is still on the hdd yes.
19:14<grummund>but /boot on the usb stick
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20:09<cordial_es>Hello, I have a question
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20:10<cordial_es>I'm trying to sign up for the women mentoring project as described here: http://www.debian.org/women/mentoring.en.html
20:10<cordial_es>but my email is being rejected
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20:11<cordial_es>does anyone know if debian women mentors is still running?
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20:13<chealer>cordial_es: I don't, but ask #debian-devel or #debian-mentors
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20:17<cordial_es>ok thanks
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20:29<donofrio>anyone here use zonemonitor?
20:30<donofrio>zoneminer (the webcam security app) in debian?
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20:36<razors>hmm
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20:36<razors>well well
20:36<razors>looks like we are all awake now
20:37<razors>helllo?????//
20:37<razors>backbox got your tongue?
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20:38<jmcnaught>razors: people usually start by asking a question...
20:39<razors>start? have you looked at the DNS?
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20:40<razors>might as well try and ban me, :)
20:40<razors>pffft
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20:41<donofrio>why did pkg maintainers or ubuntu itself separate ntp into ntp and ntpdate?
20:43<themill>because you generally don't want both (and you generally don't want ntpdate)
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20:44<donofrio>themill, in what way would I not want both? when my g4 battery I guess died just now it thought it was 1964 I installed ntp and it only adjusted time?
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20:45<themill>"it only adjusted time"?
20:45<donofrio>correct
20:45<themill>what does that actually mean
20:45<donofrio>once I installed ntpdate it adjusted the date automatticaly
20:46<themill>no, ntp doesn't only change the time, it changes the date and time.
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20:47<donofrio>ok I'm just stating what just happened on my powerbook g4
20:47<donofrio>just installed fresh debian patched and rebooted just now came back and got a cert error in fb.com
20:48<themill>ntp can't change the time without changing the date. They're not separate concepts.
20:48<donofrio>turns out the cert was not valid cause my date was way back in 1969 or something like that
20:48<donofrio>themill, preaching to the choir
20:48<donofrio>hence why I'm asking why were are they separate packages
20:48<themill>no...
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20:49<jmcnaught>donofrio: the difference is ntp is a daemon that runs all the time, ntpdate is a command that you run periodically. it's mentioned in the description of the ntpdate package
20:49<themill>donofrio: when ntp is working it changes date+time. There is no difference between what ntp and ntpdate does other than ntpdate gives you sudden timewarps and its upstream developers don't want you to use it.
20:50<themill>donofrio: ntp *does* *not* only change the time.
20:51<donofrio>themill, all I know is my time updated perfectly once it was installed (in realtime updated) but didn't change the date, it was still December 31st 1969 once I install utpdate the date updated...althought it sounds like timing?
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20:55<themill>ntp takes a little while to work -- it sounds like coincidence.
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20:57<donofrio>themill, "I'd buy that for a dollar" (-:
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21:41<poisonarms>Can anyone tell me why I'm receiving this message when trying to use apt-get from the command line? http://pastebin.com/PfJyVPJK -- New Debian user, here.
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21:42<lostson>poisonarms: you need to comment out the cd line in your sources.list file in /etc/apt/
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21:43<poisonarms>lostson, ah, there we go. Thanks. Trying to install the Flash player.
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21:44<lostson>make sure you add contrib and non-free to your sources.list as well then
21:44<sisterFister>Hello everyone. I've just installed crunchbang on a dell xps13 and the iwlwifi firmware is installed by default. However, I can't seem to get the wifi card detected using iwconfig or get it working at all. Any help?
21:44<lostson>then apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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21:44<lostson>!crunchbang
21:44<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
21:44<sisterFister>oou...
21:45<poisonarms>lostson, yea, when I remove the CD media from my sources file, nonfree isn't on my list.
21:45<lostson>poisonarms: yeah you need to add it
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21:46<poisonarms>The CD? I don't have the CD downloaded. Is there an online repo I can add that has it?
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21:46<lostson>poisonarms: for instance the line in mine is deb http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ wheezy contrib non-free
21:46<lostson>poisonarms: that will then give you access to the contrib and nonfree stuff
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21:47<poisonarms>Hmm
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21:48<poisonarms>http://pastebin.com/4aaKZZY7 @ lostson
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21:52<themill>poisonarms: you're missing contrib on some of your lines
21:52<poisonarms>This is how the file came
21:52<poisonarms>Aside from the bottom 2 lines I added
21:53<poisonarms>And the CD rom I commented out
21:53<themill>sure. If you want non-free software, you have to do something yourself.
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21:54<poisonarms>So do I have to add contrib non-free to every line?
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21:55<themill>to the "deb " lines that don't currently have that
21:55<themill>oh... hang on
21:55<themill>have you run apt-get update recently/
21:55<themill>?
21:56<poisonarms>Oh, durp, no
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21:56<poisonarms>Just did, now I can get it.
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21:56<poisonarms>Thanks for your help guys.
21:56<sisterFister>can't anyone help with my wifi trouble? I've installed iwlwifi firmware but not sure what to do next.
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21:57<jmcnaught>sisterFister: crunchbang?
21:58<sisterFister>...yes but nobody in the #! channel replies, and the problem I think doesn't matter that it's #!
21:58<sisterFister>since the #! instructions are the same as the debian.org instructions for wifi
21:59<jmcnaught>sisterFister: it does matter though.. if you want support from #debian you should use debian
22:00<jmcnaught>!based on
22:00<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
22:01<donofrio>jmcnaught, cruch fellow was here this morning too (at least I tthough he was might have been this afternoon)
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22:07<jmcnaught>donofrio: i can understand why this channel is so popular. lots of smart folks here :)
22:08<donofrio>I know less and less each day I walk this earth
22:08<donofrio>(just saying that the more I know the more I realize I know nothing and need to know more about whatever I just learned)
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22:09<donofrio>always have loved irc, ran a bbs years ago (renegade system two model 30's running artisoft lantasic!)
22:09<donofrio>null paralelle cable network....then upgraded to arcnet
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22:22<lostson>poisonarms: sorry to reply late had to put kids to bed glad you got it though
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22:23<poisonarms>np, thanks for your help.
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23:10<rmunn>Is there a polite way to tell a package maintainer, "Upstream has had a new version out for three months. I'd really like you to update your Debian package." Should I file a bug report, email the maintainer, or what? I want to be as polite as possible, especially since what I'm basically saying is "You're not doing your job promptly enough; three months is too long". Are there any established procedures for nudging a maintainer to update their package?
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23:14<donofrio>rmunn, keep in context not all of us work and make money from packages
23:14<donofrio>file a bug and also start contacting author perhaps start taking up shell scripting to help out? ( just a thought)
23:14<chealer>rmunn: you can make sure issues in the packaged versions are properly tracked in the ITS. or you can, as is frequenly done, directly open an RFE requesting the update.
23:15<chealer>rmunn: if there's already a ticket, you can see why it's taking time or ask
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23:19<rmunn>donofrio: I'm actually trying to learn to do packaging myself, so I can help -- but I'm trying to figure out how to best inform package maintainers (who, as you said, have other stuff they work on) that "Hey, there's a new version out".
23:20<rmunn>When I said the bit about not doing the job promptly enough, that's not what I would be saying explicitly -- but if I was a package maintainer, that's the subtext I would be hearing from someone saying "There's been a new version out for three months now." So I'm trying to find out if there's an established procedure for giving a polite nudge.
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23:20<lostson>just because there is a new version is out does not mean it makes it to debian stable, it may however be in testing or sid though
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23:22<chealer>rmunn: which package?
23:23<rmunn>There have been several recently. ConfigObj version 5 is the one I need for my current project (it adds Python 3 support, where ConfigObj 4 only supported up to Python 2.x).
23:23<rmunn>There's also a few other packages I need for a different project, but ConfigObj is the one I have the biggest need for.
23:24<rmunn>And yes, I could just use pip in a virtualenv -- but that's not as good as having the real Debian package.
23:24<rmunn>lostson: It's not yet in sid, I checked.
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23:27<jmcnaught>rmunn: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=660172
23:28<rmunn>jmcnaught: Thanks, I didn't see that one.
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23:29<jmcnaught>rmunn: no problem :) i'm also starting to wrap my head around debian packaging and the BTS etc infrastructure. been a user long enough that it's time i start giving back a little more than my occasional stints on IRC
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23:30<rmunn>jmcnaught: I get the basic concepts of packaging, but it's the specific infrastructure, and the unspoken social rules, that I haven't learned yet. E.g. whether it's polite to file a bug saying "Please package the new upstream release", or whether I should ask by private email, that sort of thing.
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23:31<SamB>rmunn: bug
23:31<SamB>wishlist, though
23:31<chealer>rmunn: are you sure configobj 5 is stable?
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23:32<jmcnaught>rmunn: yeah me too, but i'm getting there. i guess there's also #debian-mentors which i should probably hang out in
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23:35<rmunn>chealer: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/configobj/5.0.5 says it was uploaded a month ago, and https://pypi.python.org/pypi/configobj/5.0.0 was uploaded in mid-February. So it's as likely to be stable as any other officially-released upstream cersion.
23:35<rmunn>version*
23:36<chealer>rmunn: right. it seems the project is a bit of a mess though. http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/configobj.html doesn't mention version 5, and that's what the Debian package uses.
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23:37<rmunn>chealer: Probably an artifact of the change in maintainership of the upstream package: the PyPI entry for ConfigObj 5 has an entry "Homepage: https://github.com/DiffSK/configobj"
23:37<rmunn>And https://github.com/DiffSK/configobj says "This project is now maintained by Eli Courtwright and Rob Dennis with the blessing of original creator Michael Foord."
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23:38<rmunn>Michael Foord, aka fuzzyman, owns voidspace.org.uk, and apparently hasn't updated his site yet to point to the new maintainers.
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23:40<rmunn>I'll go ahead and either file a new bug, or update https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=660172 to mention that ConfigObj 5 now supports Python 3. I'll probably create a new bug, though, because more has changed than just a new release, and the package maintainer will need to know about the new upstream maintainers, homepage, etc. as well as "hey, version 5 is out".
23:42<chealer>rmunn: if you truely consider that upstream solved 660172, it shouldn't be tagged upstream
23:42<chealer>and ideally tagged fixed-upstream instead
23:44<rmunn>chealer: That's another aspect of how Debian does things that I haven't learned yet. Is there a reference that mentions the "standard" set of tags to use on bugs, and what they mean? I haven't found it yet reading the policy manual or the new maintainer's guide.
23:45<chealer>rmunn: see https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#tags
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23:45<rmunn>chealer: Thanks, reading it now.
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