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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-06-07

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02:55<hape_>helo
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03:00<m00se>is it possible to know the reason why a specific package is in experimental and not in unstable?
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03:11<helmut_>hi
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03:28<devil>m00se: you probably would have to ask the maintainer. reasons mostly are: not ready yet. during freeze you find perfectly ready packages there that cannot be promoted further up
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04:10<m00se>devil: yes, thanks. currently we haven't entered freeze yet, have we? or did i miss something?
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04:10<devil>m00se: no, couple months to go. Nov. iirc
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04:11<m00se>devil: ok thanks for clarifications
04:12<devil>to choose packages from experimental needs a bit of knowledge and keeping track of the development
04:12<devil>at times you find stuff like new versions of libc in there that will outright hose your system :)
04:12<devil>and installing anything from there in stable is a nono anyways
04:13<devil>the gap is too wide
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04:13<m00se>devil: yes i have read. i was considering a little package, which i already tested in jessie on a vm
04:13<m00se>i'll think about it
04:14<devil>always depends on its dependencies
04:14<m00se>sure
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05:40<John[Lisbeth]>for netinst how do I know what branch it is going to install, and is there a way to pick?
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05:47<juicer>I am running Wheezy and haven't had any reason to reboot for a long time. After rebooting just now, I can no longer mount usb sticks in lxde in PCmanFM or Thunar file manager. I get "not authorized" error. The user is in plugdev group. Has any "recent" changes occured that took effect at reboot to make this happen and how can I fix it?
05:48<John[Lisbeth]>nevermind i solved my own issue
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05:54<juicer>I'm going to try this "polkit" fix at http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/66654/how-to-mount-usb-stick-on-debian-sid . later.
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06:02<samkod>after my last aptitude upgrade i had some libav* packages, libpostproc, libssl, and linux-header & image packages. When I rebooted I noticed that my cursor appears black on my desktop but white (its the default MATE cursor) in some applications like iceweasel
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06:03<samkod>if I attempt to take a screenshot of the cursor when it is black it shows up as the white MATE cursor in the screenshot. Does anyone have any idea what may have caused this?
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06:04<samkod>btw I'm running wheezy with MATE from backports
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06:36<Nikno>Does anyone know a good guide to install a dovecot postfix mailserver without apt from source?
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06:39<herezia>Hello, everyone
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06:41<herezia>I'd like some help about a miss use of aptitude commands, I'm kind of a newbie. I installed libc6 experimental packages to be able to compile openjdk8, I succeeded but now after a reboot I can't log in anymore (using gdm3 or xdm)
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06:41<herezia>It takes me to the login screen, I type in my user name and login, seems to work but after a second I'm being brought back to the login screen
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06:42<herezia>Is there anything I can do ? Btw first time here so i don't even know if people are active around here
06:43<planetmaker>upgrading libc has not been the best idea
06:43<planetmaker>as most of the system relies on the correct version of it being around
06:43<planetmaker>which now isn't anymore
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06:44<herezia>that's what I thought :/ any way of reverting it ?
06:44<planetmaker>I strongly suggest to downgrade it again. apt-get install -t=wheezy libc6
06:44<planetmaker>maybe
06:44<herezia>(I thought I could reinstall but wanted to git push my changes before, well... openssl version missmatch...)
06:44<herezia>Ok I'll try it right now
06:45<DNS>did somebody manage to run openmeetings with gnash and/or lightspark?
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06:52<herezia>everything is to the newest version (I removed the experimental line in sources.list)
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06:55<herezia>looks like the only way is to reinstall everything
06:57<herezia>I should have used a VM to compile this silly thing
06:58<planetmaker>herezia, what's the output of apt-cache policy libc6 ?
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06:59<herezia>I'm writing it down
07:00<planetmaker>copy & paste to a paste service
07:00<planetmaker>hm, or you're not on that machine right now?
07:01<herezia>I'm on irssi
07:01<herezia>yes I am ^:)
07:01<herezia>I'll try doing that with lynx
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07:02<planetmaker>http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html might be of interest to you, herezia
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07:04<herezia>ok nevermind I'm not used to that lynx uploading gui
07:04<herezia>well not gui... :)
07:04<herezia>I'll check that right away but here is my output
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07:07<herezia>installed : 2.19-0experimental0 candidate : 2.19-0experimental0 \n Version table : *** 2.19 exp (same one) 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status \n 2.13-38+deb7u1 0 500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian wheezy/main amd64 Packages
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07:15<herezia>I applied everything I read, sadly apt says everything is to the newest version
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07:20<planetmaker>herezia, yes, of course it is. As you need to *downgrade*, that's not the info you want
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07:20<planetmaker>on the page linked, they talk about trying to "pin" it to the version you want. But ... I never tried to downgrade either. So those links and going onward from there is all I can recommend
07:21<planetmaker>but I managed to ruin a perfectly fine debian by a partial upgrade. So I know that path is easy :P
07:21<herezia>Okay, thanks planetmaker. Your hepl already means a lot to me
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07:27<herezia>I think apt-cache policy libc6 tells me there's two version available and 2.19 is the one selected cause there's *** on it, whereas nothing's in front of 2.13
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11:44<iwtkwtlrinidt>What is the behavior of packages that have x or x or x in recommends? Does the first one listed get installed or does it prompt the user or what?
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12:50<TheLoverThatKills> Hey
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12:53<muru>OpenSSH Server is ignoring my debconf selection of permit-root-login (presumably after the patch that fixed (?!) bug 298138. Is that expected?
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13:27<jhutchins>Just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, and although my user is still a member of netdev, I don't have permissions to enable the wifi connection with Network Manager. I get "Failed to add/activate connection \n (32) Not authorized to control networking
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13:43<phillipsjk>I have been trying to set up a machine to Wake on lan. I now want to remotely confirm that it is actually receiving the magic packet. wireshark did not work due to a permission problem. I installed libcap-bin, but don't know what utilities are included.
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13:46<jhutchins>phillipsjk: tcpdump?
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13:46<samkod>after my last aptitude upgrade i had some libav* packages, libpostproc, libssl, and linux-header & image packages. When I rebooted I noticed that my cursor appears black on my desktop but white (its the default MATE cursor) in some applications like iceweasel
13:47<phillipsjk>jhutchins, maybe that is what I am looking for; want to capture UDP packets though.
13:47<samkod>is black it shows up as the white MATE cursor in the screenshot. Does anyone have any idea what may have caused this? Btw I'm running Wheezy with MATE from backports
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13:48<phillipsjk> I found /usr/share/doc/libcap-bin and it doesn't appear to say much.
13:49<Brigo>phillipsjk, i can not find such libcap-bin package
13:50<Brigo>samkod, afaik, mate is not yet in backports
13:51<jhutchins>,v mate
13:51<judd>No package named 'mate' was found in i386.
13:51<mtn>Brigo: looks like it is now
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13:52<Nikon>mysql-common will install mysql right?
13:52<Brigo>,v mate-desktop
13:52<judd>Package: mate-desktop on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1
13:53<Brigo>mmm :)
13:53<muru>Nikon: I think you need to use mysql-client or mysql-server depending on your need.
13:53<Nikon>aight
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13:57<phillipsjk>Brigo it is an old installation: may be woody.
13:58<phillipsjk>Just asking apt for the list of filenames should work..
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14:00<Brigo>phillipsjk, dpkg -L libcap-bin |grep bin
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14:00<Brigo>phillipsjk, dpkg -L will list all files in libcap-bin package. the grep bin will filter only the ones in some bin directory
14:01<jhutchins>Tried removing user from netdev, then re-adding with gpasswd, still can't control network.
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14:02<phillipsjk>Thanks, the binaries were actually in the sbin directory, but the filter still worked.
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14:03<Brigo>phillipsjk, that was the idea :)
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14:05<phillipsjk>eh, the -h option doesn't tell me much either :P
14:06<Brigo>phillipsjk, ask google ;)
14:06<phillipsjk>"This program is a wrapper that can be used to limit the Inheritable capabilities of a program to be executed." --looks like these utilities help you write your own packet capture programs or something.
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14:12<Brigo>phillipsjk, as much, yes. For traffic monitoring you should use something like tcpdump
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14:13<phillipsjk>I just want to dump the packets to a lib-pcap compatible file and read it in wireshark. parsing the tcpdump man page is taking a while: lots of features.
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14:14<Brigo>phillipsjk, tcpdump -i <inteface> >file will dump all the traffic
14:15<hugg>Is there a backstory as to why the harden-* packages have fallen out of maintenance? Gossip?
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14:19<phillipsjk>Thanks.
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14:20<Brigo>np :)
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14:22<phillipsjk>I think I will specify the expression "udp" as well to filter out my ssh connection.
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14:24<phillipsjk>that only capture 96 bytes by default (Wol packets are 102 bytes)
14:24*phillipsjk reads
14:25<heiserhorn>hi, I got this message from my server: http://pastebin.com/vLFFkXW2
14:25<heiserhorn>what shoud I do?
14:26<sney>you should read the mdadm manual, and follow the instructions to check and (if necessary) rebuild your array
14:26<Brigo>and stop the raid, if you can, will not hurt.
14:26<phillipsjk>the -s option is what I wanted.
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14:27<Brigo>Few hour of try and error can avoid us few minutes of read a manual :)
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14:30<phillipsjk>Wrong file format (reads more)
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14:34<phillipsjk>It captured a plain-text summary. From that I know it received 3 102byte UDP packets, which is promising,.
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14:40<phillipsjk>the -w option dumps raw packets
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14:59<jhutchins>Just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, and although my user is still a member of netdev, I don't have permissions to enable the wifi connection with Network Manager. I get "Failed to add/activate connection \n (32) Not authorized to control networking
14:59<jhutchins>I've tried reinstalling the network-manager components. Purged them all, tried wicd and it doesn't see any networks (doesn't appear to turn wifi on either).
14:59<jhutchins>I can see the local network with iwlist scan
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15:08<devil>jhutchins: there is a fix for that, gotta look it up
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15:10<devil>jhutchins: I wrote about the fix here: http://bugs.siduction.org/issues/1501
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15:13<nocturnal>a wheezy system just hanged during Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 for a long time. so I pkill'd a bunch of /bin/sh -c /root/cron/deploy processes that had spawned 20 times over. but when I looked back at the apt-get upgrade process it had continued and the interrupt came just after update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 "Operation was interrupted before it could finish". apt-get upgrade does nothing now. what are the
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15:14<nocturnal>ugh maybe update-initramfs is not what I'm looking for.
15:14<nocturnal>just wondering if I can redo that operation.
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15:19<Brigo>nocturnal, did you try apt-get -f install?
15:19<nocturnal>and comparing with another wheezy system the md5sum does not match of /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64
15:19<nocturnal>no, will try
15:19<jhutchins>devil: I was using xdm, switching to gdm fixed it.
15:19<nocturnal>nothing
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15:19<Brigo>nocturnal, no output?
15:19<nocturnal>no I mean no operations
15:20<nocturnal>and I guess the md5sum doesn't matter because it differs on all wheezy systems.
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15:21<Brigo>nocturnal, i think i do not understand you: did you try apt-get -f install and what?
15:21<nocturnal>0 packages to install
15:21<nocturnal>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
15:22<Brigo>nocturnal, ah, ok, so no problems at all, right?
15:22<nocturnal>I guess
15:22<nocturnal>just worried that a reboot will break since the operation was interrupted.
15:22<nocturnal>but it looks fine
15:23<Brigo>i think it was fixes in one moment or other.
15:23<Brigo>try, if you want to reinstall the kernel package, it will laucnch the initram generation again.
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15:24<nocturnal>oh well reboot worked
15:25<Brigo>nocturnal, you can try to reboot to, yes :D
15:25<Brigo>too*
15:25<jhutchins>nocturnal: You could try update-initramfs
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16:13<phillipsjk>I am confused by the e100 factiod
16:13<phillipsjk>!e100
16:13<dpkg>e100 is a Linux kernel driver supporting Intel PRO/100 Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace is only required for support of non-<ICH> devices; i.e. PCI IDs 8086:1229 (rev 8), 8086:1229 (rev 9) and 8086:1229 (rev F/10). e100 firmware (d101m_ucode.bin, d101s_ucode.bin, d102e_ucode.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>.
16:13<phillipsjk>!ICH
16:13<dpkg>I/O Controller Hub (ICH, aka Intel 82801) is <Intel>'s term for a southbridge chip. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I/O_Controller_Hub
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16:14<phillipsjk>If it is an add-on card, does that mean I need frimware?
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16:17<phillipsjk>hmm, I have an 8086:1229 (rev 5)
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16:20<ixi>hm
16:20<ixi>do touchpads usually have a PCI ID ?
16:20<ixi>or USB ID ?
16:20<ixi>or any id ?
16:21<ixi>how does one identify a touchpad manufacturer/id in general?
16:21<phillipsjk>I think they are usually USB devices
16:21<phillipsjk>lsusb might help.
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16:22<devil>lsusb -vv or hwinfo
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17:23<John[Lisbeth]>I found a guide on debian.org which has incorrect information
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17:24<John[Lisbeth]>it is right here: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ#Q._Where_can_I_download_the_netinstall_CD_image_for_stable.2Ftesting.2Funstable.3F
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17:24<John[Lisbeth]>it claims that you have to use a different image to install from testing, and that there are no images from unstable
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17:25<John[Lisbeth]>if you take the mini.iso from the downloads page, and select "advance mode" when you boot into it, it lets you choose from stable, testing, or unstable
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17:27<Arrowmaster>John[Lisbeth]: thats still the stable installer installing testing/unstable, there is a separate newer testing installer that is recommended for installing testing
17:27<John[Lisbeth]>Arrowmaster: well I am installing unstable in a VM right now so we'll seee how it goes
17:28<John[Lisbeth]>I set up x and everything myself so I am not worried about it being "together"
17:28<supaman>uhh, I thought the recommended way to get testing was install stable, upgrade to testing (testing installer was to buggy)
17:29<Arrowmaster>ive never had issues with the testing beta installers, ive never touched the nightly installers because ive heard they were buggy
17:30<Arrowmaster>you could be right though
17:30<John[Lisbeth]>it's "recommended" but tehre is still the available option to install any of the current branches from the stable installer
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17:31<Arrowmaster>hell if you know what you are doing you can even install older versions by updating the mirror location
17:31<John[Lisbeth]>yeah but those aren't secure so there isn't as much of a point
17:31<John[Lisbeth]>I am testing the idea that debian can do everything arch does but better
17:32<John[Lisbeth]>(in most cases)
17:33<John[Lisbeth]>the only thing that worries me about doing this is dependency management but again this is also an issue in arch
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17:40<Arrowmaster>debian dependency management is solid until you start adding third party repos and packages
17:40<Arrowmaster>then it can get iffy
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17:50<John[Lisbeth]>that's the problem is I want to use cinnamon
17:51<lostatwork>John[Lisbeth]: why not use lmde with cinnamon
17:52<John[Lisbeth]>lostatwork: that's what I am using right now on my host machine
17:52<John[Lisbeth]>but i feel debian really should be rolling
17:53<mongrol>sid is rolling to a degree
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17:54*zykotick9 is VERY glad debian isn't rolling...
17:54<John[Lisbeth]>zykotick9: ?
17:54<lostatwork>well debian does not roll so you will have to make choice
17:54<mongrol>you can't have rolling and stable at the same time
17:55<zykotick9>mongrol: +1
17:55*mongrol unlocks acheivement
17:57<lostatwork>and from zykotick9 that is a big achievement
17:57<zykotick9>puff, hardly ;)
17:58<lostatwork>lol
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18:04<Radon_3>hi everybody. Today I purchased a new DVD drive so that I could install debian the way it meant to be, after burning the DVD iso image that I downloaded into the disk, now after running this command in ubuntu: "cat /dev/sr0 | openssl sha512" the key that it prints is not what I see in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/bt-dvd/SHA512SUM
18:04<Radon_3>S shall I continue with the installation or the disk is curropt and I should write a new disk from the images?
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18:05<retrospectacus>Radon_3: did you try "sha512sum debian.iso"
18:07<Radon_3>retrospectacus: yes, I ran this command right now on the iso image: "sha512sum debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" and I got "fd42331214755afb60f7293e15d3bb8e55410294f7bd4d6c08d324d79af28c93af5c8f5f909ed151cd17f3acd7328975b0717258c8a75759210a36c755ccfbc0"
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18:08<Radon_3>which is synonymous to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/bt-dvd/SHA512SUMS
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18:08<retrospectacus>what program did you use to burn the DVD?
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18:09<Radon_3>retrospectacus: In ubuntu, as it is recommended in that OS, I just righ clicked on the iso file and then clicked on "Write to disk..."
18:10<retrospectacus>ok. I am not too sure about the accuracy of your sr0 summing method but it wouldn't hurt to try booting the DVD. I think here is an option to verify it in the opening menus
18:10<Radon_3>retrospectacus: really? it would check itself?
18:10<Radon_3>that's amazing.
18:10<Radon_3>how can I do that?
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18:11<retrospectacus>boot it; it is an option beside "install", "verify images" or so
18:11<Radon_3>ok,...roger that
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18:11<Radon_3>be back after the trial ( :) )
18:11<retrospectacus>ok
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18:13<chivilmus>someone could tell me how to make network connection laa appears on the panel? kde debian testing
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18:16<chealer>chivilmus: network connection LAN?
18:16<chivilmus>cable is connected but not icon Connect
18:18<chivilmus>the wifi board is installed, and the light on the notebook, but neither this icon to choose a connection
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18:19<chivilmus>I am now connected to Cable
18:19<Cakenaut>Hi. Would anyone mind helping me install Debian on my PC? I'm running it live of a memory stick at the moment to test it, but it's failed to load Gnome, citing a problem with my graphics card. I've had graphics problems with both Linux Mint and Ubuntu, and was sort of hoping something might be different with Debian. My graphics card is an AMD HD 7770, and from what I've been reading the AMD drivers for Linux are just awf
18:19<chealer>chivilmus: what is your native language?
18:19<chivilmus>spanish
18:20<Cakenaut>Does anone have any advice on how I can get Gnome working and get a decent resolution?
18:20<chivilmus>sorry is traductor
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18:21<chealer>chivilmus: did you try asking on the #debian-es channel?
18:21<Cakenaut>In fact if anyone has any idea on how to get an AMD 7770 working well with Linux at all that would really be helpful.
18:21<chivilmus>yeah but nobody answered
18:21<chealer>Cakenaut: note that your message was truncated at "are just awf".
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18:22<stripe>Cakenaut, https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary sorted the job for me
18:22<Cakenaut>Sorry. That's not how it showed up on my screen.
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18:23<chealer>chivilmus: which wireless card do you use?
18:23<Cakenaut>Thanks. I'm looking now.
18:23<zykotick9>Cakenaut: you require non-free (which i doubt is included on the live images) in order to make ati work very well :(
18:23<chealer>Cakenaut: there's a length limit for IRC messages.
18:24<Cakenaut>Yh I know but when I sent the message it still looks fine
18:24<stripe>thanks zykotick9
18:24<Cakenaut>SXorry anyway
18:24<chealer>Cakenaut: yeah, your IRC client may not be aware of the issue
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18:24<zykotick9>Cakenaut: are you using irssi? i have that issue when i ramble ;)
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18:25<Radon_3>folks, I looked into that verification option that you were talking about, and it was no where to be found
18:25<Radon_3>:(
18:25<Cakenaut>Probably not. No I'm just using Firefox on my laptop
18:25<Radon_3>I couldn't locate sucha menu
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18:30<chivilmus> ok ] NetworkManager is running.
18:30<Cakenaut>Sorry but do I need to install Debian before I can use it to change the graphics driver?
18:31<chivilmus>Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
18:31<stripe>Cakenaut, I installed before adding the driver, I am sorry I do not know if it can be done live
18:32<John[Lisbeth]>WOW
18:32<John[Lisbeth]>xorg is really easy to install in debian
18:32<oldlaptop>it is
18:32<chivilmus>Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
18:32<chivilmus> Subsystem: Dell Wireless 1397 WLAN Mini-Card [1028:000c]
18:32<chivilmus> Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 17
18:32<chivilmus> Memory at f6cfc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
18:32<chivilmus> Capabilities: <access denied>
18:32<chivilmus> Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge
18:32-!-chivilmus was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
18:32<John[Lisbeth]>chealer: use something like pastebin if you can
18:32<Cakenaut>I'm trying to install it now but my screen just went blank and wouldn't display a thing.
18:32<John[Lisbeth]>sor ydidn't meant to tag chealer
18:33<John[Lisbeth]>Cakenaut: xorg?
18:33<oldlaptop>Cakenaut: You might try the text installer
18:33<Cakenaut>Yh at the moment. On Ubuntu and Mint fglrx was almost as useless.
18:34<oldlaptop>your experience with it is unlikely to be much different on debian
18:34<Cakenaut>I'm not sure how I'd use a text installer.
18:34<oldlaptop>or any other free OS for that matter
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18:34<oldlaptop>Cakenaut: There's a menu when you boot from the installation media
18:34<oldlaptop>'Install' and 'Graphical Install' or something to that effect
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18:35<chealer>Cakenaut: you don't need to install
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18:35<chivilmus>hi
18:36<retrospectacus>Radon_3: sorry about that; I guess that option was removed. See https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/ch05s04.html.en for installation CDROM troubleshooting
18:36<Cakenaut>I can't see that option. All I have are Default, Back, Live, Graphical Install, and Memory Diagnostic Tool.
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18:36<oldlaptop>chivilmus: the channel's friendly bot kicked you for spamming in the channel - don't copy/paste directly in here
18:36<Cakenaut>When I tried the commands at that link I was getting errors about my machine not being able to find the locations on my computer
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18:37<Cakenaut>I couldn't tell you exactly because it's no longer on my screen.
18:37<chealer>dpkg: bcm4312
18:37<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY. It is supported by the <b43> driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
18:37<John[Lisbeth]>so if anybody is still listening from earlier: debian unstable seemed to install fine from the stable installer
18:37<John[Lisbeth]>at least in my virtual machine
18:37<chealer>chivilmus: did you install firmware for your wireless card?
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18:39<oldlaptop>Cakenaut: that wiki page is geared towards working with an installed system
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18:40<Cakenaut>I'm trying to now. I've selected my language but it can't load installer components. I'm not using a CD, but a memory stick. Would that matter?
18:40<Radon_3>retrospectacus: that link also suggests the same thing man. :(
18:40<oldlaptop>it shouldn't
18:41<Cakenaut>It says that there was a problem reading from the CD-ROM.
18:41<chivilmus>I installed firmware-b43-installer
18:41<Cakenaut>I don't know whether it's actually referring to a CD-ROM or just the stick.
18:41<zykotick9>Cakenaut: did you use unetbootin?
18:41<Cakenaut>Yes.
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18:41<retrospectacus>Radon_3: hehe; you're right. But you could try the method above: dd ... |head ...|md5sum
18:41<zykotick9>that's the problem.
18:42<Cakenaut>So what should I have used?
18:42<zykotick9>Cakenaut: unetbootin is KNOWN to cause issues with debian ISOs that are already hybrid cd/usb images.
18:42<Cakenaut>ok
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18:42<zykotick9>Cakenaut: from a gnu/linux system you can use cp/cat/dd as an alternative
18:42<Cakenaut>I tried Ubuntu's Startup Disk Creator first but that failed outright.
18:43<retrospectacus>Cakenaut: use cp: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03
18:43<zykotick9>Cakenaut: from ubuntu, "sudo cp debian-foo.iso /dev/sdX" with NO partition number, replace X with proper letter - be careful.
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18:44<oldlaptop>output of 'sudo fdisk -l' may be helpful in making sure you have the right X
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18:45<Cakenaut>My memory stick is noted as sdb1. Would that be a problem. I read on a forum that it should only be one character, does it matter?
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18:45<oldlaptop>Cakenaut: 'sdb1' means disk sdb, partition 1
18:46<zykotick9>Cakenaut: so use sdb - it'll overwrite everything that is there.
18:46<oldlaptop>you want to write to the disk itself (the image contains a partition table, AFAIK)
18:46<oldlaptop>oh - obviously there shouldn't be anything on this USB stick you care about
18:47<stripe>oldlaptop, with dd you just point at the disk ie sd? and not the partition sd?1 I think cp is the same
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18:48<Cakenaut>I just tried the command you suggested zyko but it couldn't find the disk file.
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18:48<zykotick9>Cakenaut: you need to be in the same directory as the ISO, or give the full path to the ISO image.
18:49<zykotick9>Cakenaut: fyi, if you are using an irc client, you can use TAB to autocomplete nicknames
18:49<Radon_3>retrospectacus: that looks awesome, bytheway, instead of md5sum in there, can I use sha512sum?
18:49<oldlaptop>stripe: 'dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/bar'
18:49<retrospectacus>Radon_3: I suppose so
18:49<Marcham93>Hi helpful people. When installing debian I noticed that default collections include "desktop enviroment", "print server", and "sys util". Why is the print server standard? Am I understanding this wrong or is this a tool to take a printer on your network on host it? (Ex: Is this CUPS for standard printing?)
18:50<Cakenaut>Could I ask how I would take it to the directory? And I'm not using a client sorry. But thanks for the tip.
18:50<zykotick9>oldlaptop: i believe dd require more options then you provided there (why i use cat or cp)
18:50<oldlaptop>zykotick9: It doesn't, really
18:50<Radon_3>retrospectacus: now it is checking for md5sum, but I will try sha512sum right after that
18:50<zykotick9>oldlaptop: hummm, TIL ;)
18:50<oldlaptop>It might go faster if you used some value for bs
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18:50<oldlaptop>bs=4M or so
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18:51<stripe>oldlaptop, that works for me every time, just need sudo or root privileges
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18:52<Radon_3>retrospectacus: the process is now complete, but the output is not the same as what the documentation says, it only game an "md5sum" number.... but not records in and records out ...
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18:52<Radon_3>and how much was copied
18:54<Marcham93>Ah, found it. It does include CUPS. Nevermind.
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18:54<chealer>Marcham93: you can see the print server task's definition by looking at the task-print-server package's dependencies.
18:54<oldlaptop>Marcham93: you do need the print server task to simply print from your own machine, AFAIK
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18:55<Marcham93>chealer, yea I ended up finding the package online. Thanks!
18:55<oldlaptop>unless you plan to set that up manually
18:55<Marcham93>Sounded odd though, when I think server... I don't think client side printing.
18:55<oldlaptop>X server is the same way
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18:56<oldlaptop>It's talking in software design terms, not necessarily networking terms
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18:58<chealer>in fact, it's not a great name. the task doesn't provide just a print server
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19:04<Radon_3>oh, Isee
19:04<Radon_3>it is working
19:04<Radon_3>retrospectacus: thanks
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19:05<retrospectacus>cool
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19:07<Cakenaut>Sorry to bother you chaps again, but what does it mean about setting up a domain name during the Debian install? I've not encountered this before.
19:09<chealer>Cakenaut: see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=665775
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19:09<Cakenaut>Thanks
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19:14<Radon_3>yeap, sha512sum verified
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19:20<chealer>is flashplugin-nonfree's plugin supposed to be available to Chromium? I'm using testing, Flash 11.2.202.359
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19:21<Guest12922>i m trying to add cinnamon with debian, anyone helps
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19:50<Cakenaut>Um hi again I'm trying to install a new graphics driver using the terminal, but when I do it reports my username is not in the sudoers file.
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19:53<retrospectacus>Cakenaut: following which directions?
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19:53<Cakenaut>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
19:54<Cakenaut>I know it's Ubuntu but I assume it applies.
19:54<retrospectacus>!sudosmite Cakenaut
19:54*dpkg takes a lump of 2x4 to Cakenaut and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
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19:54<retrospectacus>nah it's coz ubuntu's gratuitous use of sudo - just use su
19:55<Cakenaut>Ok thanks.
19:55<retrospectacus>and follow http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary instead
19:56<zykotick9>Cakenaut: perhaps you are already aware, but when using su, i'd suggest using "su -"
19:56<Cakenaut>I'll try it.
19:56<Cakenaut>Thanks
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20:00<Cakenaut>I'm getting the response '/usr/bin/apt-get: cannot execute binary file'
20:01<stripe>how far through the process are you?
20:07<LtL>Cakenaut: what are you typing to get that error
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20:08<Cakenaut>su - <username> apt-get install fglrx-updates fglrx-amdcccle-updates
20:09<LtL>Cakenaut: no, type su - enter root's password - then apt-get install foo bar
20:10<LtL>Cakenaut: you type su - hit enter, type password etc
20:10<Cakenaut>Thanks
20:10<LtL>np
20:10<Cakenaut>It says it's ub
20:10<Cakenaut>*u
20:10<Cakenaut>It says it's unable to locate the packages
20:11<Cakenaut>Sorry my laptops at an awkward angle for typing.
20:11<stripe>Cakenaut, did you follow the wiki and add the extra repos?
20:11<Cakenaut>I tried
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20:12<Cakenaut>Hold on I'll try again.
20:12<LtL>Cakenaut: edit /etc/apt/sources.list properly while you're root, save/close, apt-get update, then install packages
20:13<Cakenaut>Apparently 'linux-headers-generic' has no installation candidate
20:13<stripe>Cakenaut, thats why you need the non-free and contrib repos added
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20:15<Cakenaut>I'm typing in 'apt-get install contrib' but no package can be located.
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20:16<stripe>https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary just follow the instructions
20:16<LtL>Cakenaut: contrib is a comment intended to be in your sources.list
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20:17<zykotick9>!tell Cakenaut about contrib
20:18<Cakenaut>And what about non-free?
20:18<LtL>Cakenaut: i would add that too, up to you
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20:19<stripe>Cakenaut, you need them for the ATI driver
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20:19<Cakenaut>But how would you recommend I do it? As you can tell my grasp of the terminal is weak.
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20:21<LtL>Cakenaut: are you still root
20:21<Cakenaut>Yup
20:21<zykotick9>Cakenaut: have you used the editor nano? if so, while root, "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
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20:21<Cakenaut>I haven't
20:21<zykotick9>vi? emacs?
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20:22<LtL>Cakenaut: use nano, its easiest, type, nano /etc/apt/sources.list - APPEND contrib non-free to the end of each line. hit ctrl^x to close, you'll be prompted to save changes, press 'y'. done. the run apt-get update
20:24<llouk>I have update to open-jdk7, but my programs prompt, that I still use jdk6, should I set something to make it work?
20:25<Cakenaut>To the end of the wheezy/updates main lines? I'm just making sure as there's very little on text editable.
20:26<LtL>Cakenaut: yes
20:26<Cakenaut>I have two with http://security.debian.org/ wheezyupdates main, and two about my CD ROM
20:26<stripe>deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free like that just copy it from the wiki
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20:29<LtL>Cakenaut: comment out the cdrom lines with a #
20:30<LtL>Cakenaut: You should have no duplicate lines
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20:30<Cakenaut>They weren't, but the bulk was the same.
20:31<LtL>no duplicates.
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20:31<LtL>similar is not a dupe
20:32<Cakenaut>I know, just most of it was what I typed above.
20:33<Cakenaut>Okay so I've typed apt-get update but it's failed to download some of the files.
20:33<LtL>Cakenaut: you really should check the wiki's for thse tasks, it'll make your life easier :)
20:33<LtL>Cakenaut: failes saying what exactly
20:33<LtL>failed
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20:34<Cakenaut>Unable to find entry -/source/sources
20:34<LtL>Cakenaut: you edited the file wrong
20:34<Cakenaut>Though so.
20:34<LtL>or something, need a better answer]
20:35<stripe>pastebin the sources.list contents?
20:35<LtL>Cakenaut: the correct file is /etc/apt/sources.list
20:36<LtL>Cakenaut: use paste.debian.net
20:36<Cakenaut>*thought so
20:37<LtL>Cakenaut: gotta go for a bit, these guys will help, g'luck
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20:37<Cakenaut>Done
20:38<Cakenaut>Thanks so much
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20:38<Cakenaut>For the help LtL
20:39<Cakenaut>Okay so now do I proceed with the apt-get command for fglrx?
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20:40<stripe>we need to fix the /etc/apt/sources-list first, did you pastebin the file contents
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20:44<Cakenaut>I still can't locate the fglrx packages.
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20:45<Cakenaut>Yh I think sources.list is good now.
20:45<stripe>can you pastebin the contents?
20:45<LtL>Cakenaut: type apt-cache search fglrx . then check the wiki !
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20:46<LtL>Cakenaut: yeah, would be nice to see your sources.list
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20:46<LtL>Cakenaut: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
20:47<LtL>read it !
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20:50<Cakenaut>deb command not found
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20:53<LtL>Cakenaut: thats because its not a command, what did thou type?
20:53<Cakenaut>deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
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20:53<LtL>Cakenaut: um, why
20:53<Cakenaut>I know I've just changed the sources.list file but I thought no harm in making sure I had non-free and stuff
20:54<Cakenaut>Because it appeared on the wiki
20:54<LtL>Cakenaut: is reading the wiki against your religion, you'll save yourself much pain if you do. ps. you'll probably hate fglrx
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20:54<Cakenaut>It's on the wiki
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20:55<LtL>Cakenaut: no is does not say to type that sources list line
20:55<Cakenaut>I'm probably reading it wrong but it's on there
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20:55<Cakenaut>lol
20:55<Cakenaut>I'm probably misreading it sorry
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20:56<LtL>Cakenaut: it says add that line, which you have... not to type it ;)
20:56<Cakenaut>sorry lol
20:56<Cakenaut>really sorry
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20:57<LtL>Cakenaut: are you sure the radeon driver won't do, because you may experience much pain doing the proprietary thing
20:57<Cakenaut>Gnome won't load according to a problem with the card or driver
20:58<Cakenaut>Both the radeon and proprietary drivers were garbage on Ubuntu and Mint too, but at least fglrx gave me resolutions closer to what my hardware is capable of.
20:59<LtL>Cakenaut: okay, try the wiki, kust read it carefully
20:59<LtL>but read it carefully*
20:59<jmcnaught>Cakenaut: even for the radeon driver you may still need the non-free firmware, which is in the package "firmware-linux-nonfree"... i would try installing that and using it with the default radeon driver before installing fglrx
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21:00<oldlaptop>Cakenaut: on a slightly related note, you might consider another choice of DE
21:00<LtL>excellent idea Cakenaut install that firmware jmcnaught suggests first
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21:01<oldlaptop>Oh yes
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21:01<oldlaptop>yes yes, you need that
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21:01<LtL>Cakenaut: you need a reboot after the firmware or just restart X may suffice
21:02<Cakenaut>Without meaning to sound more noobie, how would I get it?
21:02<jmcnaught>Cakenaut: i have used Gnome 3 with radeon drivers on ATI HD 5770 and also an HD 43xx and both were perfectly smooth on a 1920x1080 display
21:02<LtL>Cakenaut: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
21:02<Cakenaut>This AMD 7770 won't have any of it lol
21:03<Cakenaut>Thanks
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21:03<Cakenaut>unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree
21:04<jmcnaught>Cakenaut: once the firmware is installed and you reboot it should work fine... i can even play first person shooters at full resolution using the radeon drivers
21:04<Cakenaut>That used to be the case on Windows 7
21:04<jmcnaught>Cakenaut: did you run "apt-get update" after you added the non-free stuff to your sources.list?
21:04<Cakenaut>yh
21:05<LtL>Cakenaut: typo in sources.list methinks
21:05<LtL>we've asked you to paste it
21:06<victory>http://paste.debian.net/
21:08<LtL>Cakenaut: do this, 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list copy with mouse, paste on that site, give us the url
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21:09<Cakenaut_>http://paste.debian.net/103914/
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21:10<LtL>Cakenaut: you are missing the most important lines
21:10<LtL>dpkg: tell Cakenaut about wheezy sources.list
21:11<LtL>Cakenaut: read the message from dpkg the bot
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21:12<Cakenaut>I'm not getting any msg.
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21:12<victory>pm from the bot, not on this channel
21:13<Cakenaut>Nothing.
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21:14<LtL>Cakenaut: what client are you using for irc
21:15<Cakenaut>I'm not.
21:15<Cakenaut>Firefox.
21:15<LtL>well that explains that then
21:16<stripe>ltl if nano is still open has any changes been made/saved?
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21:19<oldlaptop>Cakenaut: Maybe go get chatzilla real quick then
21:19<oldlaptop>you'll want a real IRC client sometime, chatzilla is close enough for now
21:20<LtL>Cakenaut: Make your sources.list look like this http://paste.debian.net/103917/ - then do a full 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'
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21:20<canaima>disney chanell
21:20<LtL>stripe: you may be right. meh]
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21:20<LtL>Cakenaut: that is one command btw
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21:22<Cakenaut>Made the ammendment and typed the command
21:23<LtL>Cakenaut: the 'full' command? with the upgrade
21:23<Cakenaut>yup
21:23<LtL>Cakenaut: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
21:24<Cakenaut>It's doing stuff
21:24<Cakenaut>ok done
21:24<Cakenaut>Doesn't look as if there were any errors
21:24<LtL>Cakenaut: reboot - if yur root yet just 'shutdown -r now'
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21:26<Cakenaut>Ok it doesn't look as if it's made any difference.
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21:26<LtL>oh shit, theres a typo i made in that list
21:26<Cakenaut>Resolution is still too low for me to guess and gnome is not about
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21:27<Cakenaut>Or rather it is but in the backup mode thing
21:27<LtL>Cakenaut: line 7 make sure theres a space between main contrib
21:27<LtL>you may have caught that yourself sorry
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21:27<Cakenaut>Yh I think I caught it.
21:28<LtL>Cakenaut: the first security line i missed a space between main contrib
21:28<Cakenaut>yh got it
21:28<LtL>Cakenaut: okay, if the firmware didnt do it, you might want to go with the proprietary which i wont be much help. need the url again?
21:29<Cakenaut>Please.
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21:30<jmcnaught>Cakenaut: if it's still in fallback mode after reboot, it probably didn't install the firmware properly. Can you paste the output of these two commands? "apt-cache policy firmware-linux-nonfree" and "cat /var/log/dmesg | grep firmware"
21:30<LtL>Cakenaut: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Installation note- you might need backports added. you read that mess okay?
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21:30<Cakenaut>Thanks LtL
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21:30<LtL>Cakenaut: thank jmcnaught he's catching my forgetfulness
21:30<LtL>youre welcome too
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21:31<Cakenaut_>firmware-linux-nonfree: Installed: 0.36+wheezy.1 Candidate: 0.36+wheezy.1 Version table: *** 0.36+wheezy.1 0 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/non-free amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
21:31<stxz>is there anybody that can help i have a acer aspire one that i installed linux mint 17 cinnamon on and it wont boot because of light dm fails how to fix it
21:32<Cakenaut_>Second command: [ 6.255098] platform radeon_cp.0: firmware: agent loaded radeon/VERDE_pfp.bin into memory [ 6.260965] platform radeon_cp.0: firmware: agent loaded radeon/VERDE_me.bin into memory [ 6.297766] platform radeon_cp.0: firmware: agent loaded radeon/VERDE_ce.bin into memory [ 6.313251] platform radeon_cp.0: firmware: agent loaded radeon/VERDE_rlc.bin into memory [ 6.414007] platform radeon_cp.0:
21:32<LtL>Cakenaut: it loaded but it aint doing the trick
21:33<victory>mint
21:33<LtL>Cakenaut: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Installation - best of luck
21:33<Cakenaut_>Thanks
21:33<jmcnaught>Cakenaut: better to use paste.debian.net but thanks... not sure why it isn't working for you :/ Is it possible you have "gnome classic" selected on the login greeter screen?
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21:34<stxz>i don't really know since i am a newbie to linux
21:34<stxz>:/
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21:35<Cakenaut_>I just checked and no, it's set to Gnome.
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21:36<Cakenaut_>Debian's notifying me about a problem with the driver preventing it from running properly, which doesn't surprise me because of the problems with Ubuntu and Mint it gave me, hence I'm trying to try Debian.
21:36<jmcnaught>Cakenaut_: that's too bad :/ Maybe the radeon driver in Wheezy isn't new enough to support 7000 series cards
21:37<Cakenaut_>Then the same would go for the AMD proprietary drivers too
21:37<Cakenaut_>At least for Ubuntu and Mint.
21:37<LtL>jmcnaught: do you think a ATI Radeon X600 can do wheezy gnome?
21:37<stripe>they work in jessie
21:37<jmcnaught>Cakenaut_: while following the AtiProprietary instructions on the wiki, don't remove anything from your sources.list this time.. just add. The proprietary driver may support it, I'm not sure
21:37<LtL>old card
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21:38<jmcnaught>LtL: i don't know.. maybe? the Intel card in my 4 y/o laptop is driving 2 monitors right now on gnome 3 so it's probably worth a try
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21:39<LtL>jmcnaught: okay, i appreciate the feedback
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21:40<jmcnaught>stxz: this is the support channel for Debian. There's probably a Mint channel somewhere that could help you :)
21:40<Cakenaut_>I've just tried aptitude -r -t wheezy-backports install fglrx-legacy-driver
21:40<Cakenaut_>But it's 'not available in the sources'
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21:41<LtL>Cakenaut: you don't have backports in your sources.list - yet sure you need it?
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21:42<Cakenaut_>Apparently.
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21:42<LtL>Cakenaut: im afraid i am no help to you for fglrx, i've hated it across every debian version since woody
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21:43<Cakenaut_>I'm begining to hate it myself. The support AMD Support offered was 'go look at the forums'
21:43<Cakenaut_>I got more help from Steam Support than from AMD.
21:43<Cakenaut_>Oh well thanks anyway.
21:44<jmcnaught>Cakenaut_: probably legacy drive is not the one you want... the instructions on that page say legacy is for 4000 series and older
21:44<Cakenaut_>Yh I thought that, but the command is under the section for 7770
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21:44<Cakenaut_>cards
21:45<Cakenaut_>Anyway I have to go.
21:45<Cakenaut_>Thanks so much for the advice and for putting up with my noobieness.
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21:46<LtL>Cakenaut: no problem
21:46<jmcnaught>Cakenaut_: good luck :)
21:46<Cakenaut_>Thanks :)
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22:34<alumno>hola
22:34<alumno>estas ?
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22:37<jmcnaught>!es
22:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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23:50<nyov>I noticed the debian packaged netinstaller images don't work anymore (https://packages.debian.org/debian-installer-7.0-netboot-i386) because they don't have uptodate release signing keys
23:51<nyov>any idea how I can get the current release key into the installer environment? (is there a gpg udeb?)
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23:58<themill>nyov: they're really recently generated images -- I'd be surprised if they didn't contain the required keys
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