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---Logopened Sun Jun 08 00:00:54 2014
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00:02<nyov>themill: the version number is 20130613+deb7u2.b1, doesn't look very recent to me
00:03<nyov>well the installer components download alright, but the base system install fails, with debootstrap complaining about an unknown Release key (signed in april)
00:03<themill>it was uploaded 5 weeks ago.
00:04<nyov>so I should do a force-reinstall of the packages maybe?
00:04<themill>The #debian-boot people would know more.
00:05<nyov>okay, thanks
00:09<nyov>uhm, I think I served an old installer from tftp
00:11<nyov>yep. /usr/lib/debian-installer/images/<arch>/ instead of /usr/lib/debian-installer/images/7.0/<arch>. my bad
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00:20<nyov>themill: can you tell me how to get this last update time of a package in the pool?
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00:29<jmcnaught>nyov: he might have checked the changelog, or possibly by looking here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debian-installer-netboot-images.html
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00:39<sleser>is there a pakage name for Street Fighter III game ?
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00:59<cesurasean>hey guys. im having an issue with getting networking to work on my machine.
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00:59<cesurasean>during the install, netinstall.
00:59<cesurasean>it seems to use DHCP fine, but it won't connect to any mirrors.
01:00<sney>name resolution errors on the console?
01:00<cesurasean>what do you mean?
01:00<cesurasean>it just won't connect to the mirrors.
01:00<cesurasean>the DHCP succeeds though.
01:01<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: the easiest thing to do is drop to a console and try to ping one of the mirrors
01:01<sney>alt-f4 in the installer gives you an info console.
01:01<cesurasean>how do i drop to a console?
01:01<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: ctrl+alt+f2 or similar
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01:02<sney>and if you get an ip address but can't connect to internet sites, dns is a common culprit
01:02<dondelelcaro>right
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01:02<dondelelcaro>I think ping is on the installer image... it might not be
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01:25<cesurasean>I can't ping google.com, but I can ping 8.8.8.8.
01:25<cesurasean>when i drop to a console.
01:25<cesurasean>so it's a DNS issue, but why? :(
01:25<cesurasean>sney, any idea?
01:25<cesurasean>dondelelcaro, ?
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01:30<jmcnaught>cesurasean: maybe your DHCP server doesn't provide DNS info? from the console can you do "cat /etc/resolv.conf" and put the results on http://paste.debian.net ?
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01:35<LtL>I wonder if flushing your DNS cache might help
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01:38<phillipsjk>Does think mean I have to disable unloading the ethernet driver on shut-down? "For this driver version, in order to enable WoL, the e100 driver must be loaded when shutting down or rebooting the system." (version does not match my kernel) http://downloadmirror.intel.com/5154/ENG/e100.htm
01:40<jmcnaught>phillipsjk: that document is over 10 years old so it might not be accurate anymore
01:42<phillipsjk>testing with not properly unloading the driver now..
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01:44<cesurasean>jmcnaught, i am using the same settings as any other computer on my network. ;P
01:45<jmcnaught>cesurasean: sure, but something's not right. what does /etc/resolv.conf say?
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01:48<phillipsjk>I used the Intel card because I was not sure my RTL1839-based card could take 5V WOL power (the connector does not fit).
01:49<phillipsjk>May be easier to trace circuitry on the RTL card :P
01:50<cesurasean>jmcnaught, nameserver 10.0.0.1, which is correct.
01:51<cesurasean>i changed it to 8.8.8.8, and it works now.
01:52<cesurasean>for some reason my router isn't dishing out DNS to it.
01:52<cesurasean>one of those cheap ass comcast routers/wifi things. no wonder!
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01:53<jmcnaught>cesurasean: glad you got it working. when my router is bad i deprive it of electricity for a few seconds, show it who's boss!
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01:55<phillipsjk>Found the same quote with q 2011 date: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/networking/e100.txt
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01:58<jmcnaught>phillipsjk: it's probably still true then. Does WoL work if you hibernate?
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01:59<phillipsjk>Looks like I am not fixing it tonight. Machine is not coming up after I asked somebody to unplug it.. was told no more reboots tonight.
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02:00<phillipsjk>Have not tried hibernation (it is a desktop)
02:01<cesurasean>jmcnaught, lol
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02:07<phillipsjk>hmm quoth dpkg: '..in-kernel suspend system has worked well since Debian 4.0 "Etch"' -- I suppose I should do a dist-upgrade first then.
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02:08<cesurasean>how do i install ssh on a new system?
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02:09<phillipsjk>the client or server?
02:10<LtL>cesurasean: apt-cache install openssh-server should install client and server
02:10<cesurasean>server
02:10<jmcnaught>cesurasean: that would be apt-get not apt-cache
02:10<cesurasean>no such package.
02:10<LtL>er yeah my mistake
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02:11<phillipsjk>!openssh
02:11<dpkg>OpenSSH (OpenBSD Secure Shell, http://www.openssh.com/) is a free implementation of the Secure Shell (<SSH>) protocol. Packaged for Debian as openssh-server and openssh-client (install the ssh <metapackage> for both). SSH protocol 1 is disabled by default as of openssh 1:5.4p1-1. "Getting started with SSH": http://kimmo.suominen.com/docs/ssh/
02:12<cesurasean>apt-get install ssh, openssh, openssh-server, nothing is found.
02:12<cesurasean>what is the package's name?
02:12<LtL>cesurasean: apt-get install ssh is the meta-packager
02:12<LtL>package
02:12<cesurasean>nevermind, i had to run an update first.
02:13<cesurasean>apt-get update, then install ssh
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02:29<knight1>hello, how can I set up auto-login in Debian?
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02:31<chealer>knight1: which desktop environment do you use?
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02:33<knight1> use LXDE
02:33<pabs>how can I download a source package from a particular suite?
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02:35<knight1>nein, geht da nicht. gibts da nicht irgendeine datei wo man das festlegt oder nen befehö?
02:35<knight1>befehl*
02:35<knight1>sry, wrongchat.
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02:36<foffa>Howto Turn off HotCorner / top left corner
02:37<chealer>pabs: with --target-release, but that's pretty buggy (see for example https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=441178 )
02:38<pabs>ok, so how to map from a source package in suite t to a list of binary packages in suite t that are built from that?
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02:53<helmut_>hi
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03:01<chealer>pabs: perhaps with apt-cache showsrc
03:01<pabs>doesn't look like it
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03:03<spippi>good morning
03:04<spippi>please i have a problem
03:04<spippi>i remov
03:05<spippi>i have remove a program clamav with "sudo apt-get purge clamav" after "sudo apt-get autoremove" and "sudo apt-get autoclean", but i havetoo file in system of clamav
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03:07<spippi>how can i do clean system and remoe all orphan file
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03:18<jmcnaught>spippi: what files are still there? When you remove a package, it doesn't remove the files created by the using software provided by that package.
03:19<spippi>i have remove a program clamav with "sudo apt-get purge clamav" after "sudo apt-get autoremove" and "sudo apt-get autoclean", but i havetoo file in system of clamav
03:19<spippi>scuse me
03:19<spippi>no
03:19<spippi>for example i have file in usr/local/etc/
03:20<spippi>or in usr/local/bin/
03:20<spippi>but i don't know if there are other file in other position
03:22<jmcnaught>spippi: debian packages created files in /usr/local? The files that were installed by the clamav package would be removed when you remove clamav. But if clamav itself created files while it was being used, those would not be removed.
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03:24<spippi>mmmm
03:24<spippi>it's probaly that i have remove program when it's run
03:24<spippi>what's i do now
03:25<jmcnaught>spippi: after installing clamav i have no files in /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/etc.. Did you possibly install something from source?
03:26<spippi>i download new version from clamav
03:26<spippi>i think for this
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03:27<jmcnaught>spippi: well that's the problem then... apt-get can only remove software that was installed with apt-get. If you download a tarball from some website and install it without using the Debian packaging system, then the packaging system has no way of knowing about it
03:28<jmcnaught>spippi: you should check the file you downloaded for documentation on removing it, or the website you downloaded it from
03:28<spippi>ok thanks but there is a solution for clean all system from all program that i have remove?
03:29<jmcnaught>spippi: not really. if you want it to work that way, only install software using APT
03:30<spippi>ok for the next time i use always syna, but i have 2 question.
03:31<spippi>the first there is a program for check all system the orphan file?
03:31<spippi>second if i download a tar file how do i do for install
03:31<pabs>https://packages.debian.org/cruft
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03:34<spippi>it's cruft a good program
03:37<spippi>for second question there is an answer?
03:37<spippi>thanks jmcnaught and pabs
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03:44<spippi>i have run cruft with root terminal
03:44<spippi>and after what do i do?
03:45<spippi>i don't understand if run or if the terminal is freeze
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03:46<jmcnaught>spippi: i just checked cruft out myself. It may take a while to complete. It makes a list of files that don't seem to belong to any debian packages. You have to review that list yourself. All it really does it help you track down files, you need to decide what to do with them yourself. It also seems to ignore /usr/local by default. On the system I just tested it also listed a bunch of files that *should* be there, so take its results with
03:47<jmcnaught>spippi: "zless /usr/share/doc/cruft/README.gz" and "man cruft" for the documentation
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03:49<spippi>ok finish i have more file how can i remove all
03:50<jmcnaught>spippi: read what i just typed above, and the cruft documentation. Not a good idea to just remove all the files that cruft lists
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03:51<spippi>i understand but what's other solution if i have problem i reinstall all system
03:52<spippi>i have a question for this
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03:54<spippi>if i want download debian lxde offline version for reinstall without network it's possible, for example if i download live version can i use for install?
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04:00<spippi>i don't understand i can remove the file that cruft have
04:04<jmcnaught>spippi: if you're not sure whether it's okay to remove a file, probably shouldn't remove it. You might need to do some research to figure out which files are safe to remove.
04:04<spippi>i understand
04:05<spippi>but for me i think it's better fast and sure reinstall all sytem at this time
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04:09<spippi>is there other program more safe for clean system
04:09<spippi>?
04:10<spippi>jmcnaught, if i download a live lxde can i use for install system in offline
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04:11<jmcnaught>spippi: sorry i don't know, i've never installed from a live disc. I assume it would require a network connection.
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04:12<mirageASR>hello, i have a small problem with apt-get autoremove, it wants to remove a lot of packeges like libre office, txt editors and many other programm, but why is that so?
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04:13<spippi>have you installed a new version of libreoffice?
04:13<devil>spippi: does not matter
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04:14<mirageASR>no i didn't
04:14<jmcnaught>mirageASR: you probably removed a meta-package that depends on those packages. You can "apt-get install" those packages and it will mark them as manually installed (and not suggest them for autoremove any more)
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04:15<mirageASR>thx, a lot :)
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04:22<mirageASR>it's working :) thx for your help jmcnaught
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04:25<mirageASR>merhaba ramazan
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04:42<spippi>jmcnaught have you installed clamav?
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04:56<devil>spippi: what do you need clamav for?
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05:05<ompaul>devil: don't be asking the hard questions
05:05<devil>I know :)
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05:06<devil>answering could lead to resolving the issue, we do not want that ;)
05:06<ompaul>why would you want to resolve a problem it could be worth 10 hours trolling ;-)
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05:10<cesurasean>is there a way to fix a kernel panic?
05:10<cesurasean>if so, what is the first steps i would take?
05:10<cesurasean>i rsynced a copy of a server to another, and now it throws a panic.
05:11<ompaul>cesurasean: say again, you rsynced what to where and what box is panicing
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05:12<cesurasean>ompaul, i rsynced an old server to a new one's /, and when i rebooted it, it's throwing a panic.
05:12<ompaul>you have two boxes box1 and box2 something went from where to where on the other etc
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05:12<ompaul>that doesn't surprise me
05:13<ompaul>cesurasean: reformat /rebuild the new server - then copy the data
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05:14<ompaul>or the whole box to /backupofbox2 then and only then start to parse the original boxes data
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05:25<cesurasean>ompaul, there has to be an easier method than redoing a fresh server.
05:26<ompaul>cesurasean: no, because unbreaking will take more effort than a new install
05:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 685] by debhelper
05:27<ompaul>cesurasean: do the install, do the rsync and be sensible
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05:28<cesurasean>i had a fresh install, and did an rsync.
05:28<cesurasean>and it broke something for some odd reason.
05:28<cesurasean>how do i diagnose it?
05:29<ompaul>cesurasean: no, because unbreaking will take more effort than a new install
05:30<ompaul>cesurasean: you copied /proc and all sorts of stuff and who knows what when you restart it and it panics you got some corrupt data somewhere go figure
05:31<ompaul>cesurasean: so bite the bullet remember that a running machine has it's own integrity, and breaking that is an overhead called please fix me now by a clean install after you grab the data
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05:32<ompaul>cesurasean: if you wanted to do what you are trying to do assuming the new hardware is supported by the kernel a dd of the disk in the server to the new one might work but again data should be separate as should /home and then you have a hope of being able to approach doing that stuff sanely
05:33<ompaul>cesurasean: I offer you the "you can't get there from here without many more hours work that you would have to do for a clean install and rsync the data again"
05:33<ompaul>sign
05:33<ompaul>alternative - backup data using live cd to something else and then do a fresh install
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05:34<ompaul>alternative do a chroot install into / read all about it but that is more effort than it is worth (you can find out about that on wiki.debian.org)
05:34<ompaul>you trashed the box - face reality
05:35<ompaul>(hopefully you won't do that again in a hurry)
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05:44<cesurasean>ompaul, how do you know i copied proc?
05:44<cesurasean>i don't believe i did.
05:45<ompaul>cesurasean: I reference your earlier data, I copied /
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05:49<cesurasean>ompaul, i copied / minus some directories.
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05:50<ompaul>cesurasean: which is not what you said earlier - you broke your kernel if you got a kernel panic
05:52<cesurasean>i ran this, rsync -aAXv /backup/* root@192.168.1.103:/ --exclude={/dev/*,/proc/*,/sys/*,/tmp/*,/run/*,/mnt/*,/media/*,/lost+found}
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05:52<ompaul>cesurasean: so now the trust I can put in your data is very low - given your earlier statement
05:52<ompaul>why in the hell did you rsync /
05:53<ompaul>to /
05:53<ompaul>explain what you were trying to do
05:54<cesurasean>copy a server.
05:54<cesurasean>ive done this before with success.
05:55<ompaul>version what to version what
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06:05<cesurasean>well, i did unstable onto stable.
06:05<cesurasean>is there anyway to get in, and upgrade my system so that i can boot?
06:06<ompaul>so you took bin files and glibc from totally different systems and expected it all to be fun
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06:06<ompaul>you could try the chroot install mentioned earlier
06:06<ompaul>but frankly easiest is what I said
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06:07<ompaul>if you had any half decent internet connection and hardware you'd be finished by now
06:07<ompaul>and just rsyncing the data
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06:08<ompaul>but no, you had to argue the point and claim this that and the other and give bad data about what you actually did making it a case of pull teeth and try to get me to assume things which I wasn't willing to do
06:08<ompaul>cesurasean: which makes it almost impossible to assist someone when they go on like that
06:08<ompaul>cesurasean: so what I said initally stands
06:09<ompaul>install fresh system - sync (had you done stable to stable) and then done an rsync you might have survived but you got
06:09<ompaul>!frankendebian
06:09<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
06:09<ompaul>note the "doesn't wnt to even try"
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06:31<spippi>i'm return
06:31<spippi>i have need an help
06:32<spippi>when i install with netinstall i can't install system with wlan because not connect with mirror what's the problem?
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06:33<SynrG>spippi: firmware
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06:33<SynrG>!installer firmware
06:33<dpkg>Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>.
06:33<ColombianBootloader>hi there...how is it going?
06:34<ColombianBootloader>I got a question..
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06:34<spippi>ok SynrG but i want know now the firmware for my wlan it's correct?
06:35<spippi>now i'm with wlan
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06:36<SynrG>not sure i follow you
06:36<spippi>how can i check if all is ok
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06:37<spippi>not only wlan but all system, is there a special command for do this?
06:39<marcos>hi, It is about 10 years since i want to become a debian developer to contribute to the operating system and still waiting for key signing, lol.
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06:40<spippi>hi marcos
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06:41<devil>spippi: if it works, it works
06:41<marcos>hi spippi, i am new here
06:42<devil>marcos: waiting won't do. you have to actively look for it and get it done
06:42<spippi>ok devil there isn't a test or check
06:42<devil>spippi: no.
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06:44<marcos>i've sent emails to local debian developers several times but i could never have my gpg key signed
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06:45<spippi>ok thanks, i want if it's possible install flashplugin-nonfree with apt or how can i solved problem of web flash plugin
06:45<devil>marcos: you need to meet them in person
06:45<ColombianBootloader>I am trying to listen radio using iceweasel, though I have not been successful to do it, any ideas?
06:46<devil>spippi: you need to activate contrib in your sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
06:47<devil>marcos: go to a linux convention, lots of devs there
06:47<marcos>that is the problem, 10 yrs trying to meet in person, i'm in the seekers list as well.
06:47<spippi>scuse me for the more question but i'm newbie how can activate contrib
06:47<devil>open the file in an editor and append the word to the debian line
06:47<devil>marcos: you are doing something wrong
06:48<SynrG>marcos: i'm on the seekers list, and willing to sign. you just have to happen to be in or near halifax.
06:48<SynrG>maybe you live in antarctica?
06:48<marcos>you're right devil, althought i never have time for events, i'll search for it anyway
06:48<marcos>i am in madrid
06:48<devil>if you have no time for events, how will you have time to develop?
06:49<SynrG>madrid. ah. i don't see what the problem is, then
06:49<devil>marcos: that should be fairly easy
06:49<marcos>i develop all the time
06:49<SynrG>sure. but that doesn't negate the need to meet in person
06:51<spippi>deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free this is correct?
06:51<SynrG>well, don't know why you're using ftp:
06:51<SynrG>http: is preferred. and also don't use the main address like that, but choose a mirror near you
06:52<SynrG>or else use the http redirector that chooses one for you:
06:52<SynrG>deb http://http.debian.net/debian stable main contrib non-free
06:52<marcos>althought it is true i dont go to massive conventions, (i hate busy environments), i have tried to contact individuals by email without success, i'll look for events that i could reach anyway, do you know some popular ones?
06:52<devil>not in spain
06:52<SynrG>marcos: there are often linux user groups, or even debian user groups
06:53<SynrG>try to find one of those
06:53<SynrG>they tend to be more informal and meet over coffee or beer sometimes
06:53<devil>but I bet there is quite a few debian devs in and aound madrid
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06:53<marcos>i always put a beer in the middle, lol
06:54<spippi>SynrG, i'm italian what's better mirror
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06:57<victory>see https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
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07:00<ompaul>marcos: you can't find anyone in Madrid ... wow that's strange
07:00<ompaul>marcos: join your local LUG and work your way from there
07:00*ompaul frowns
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07:02<spippi>SynrG, ok work with your mirror
07:02<spippi>now i want know if it's possible create a backup of all system and if i want format for example i take this backup and reinstall all system wit h all my modify
07:03<SynrG>yes
07:03<ompaul>marcos: http://www.cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html
07:04<ompaul>marcos: contact here http://osdir.com/ml/debian-user-spanish-debian/
07:04<ompaul>marcos: what is keeping you?
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07:08<SynrG>spippi: knowing what to backup, however, is as important as doing the backups themselves. as a system grows, it may become impractical to do 'whole system' backups, and important to pick and choose what you actually need to backup.
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07:13<spippi>i want do now because i have a clean system and new installation only with little modify
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07:14<spippi>another question you know as can i enable my toucpad click
07:14<spippi>see you later scuse me
07:15<SynrG>well, if it's a matter of preserving what you did to /etc, you could just tar that up
07:15<SynrG>!what to backup
07:15<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
07:15<SynrG>there are many, many packages that provide backup. try 'apt-cache search backup' and survey some of the alternatives.
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07:20<dutchfish>hi, what SHA keylength is used by ssh in debian stable, if i am right its 2048, what is the debian way of extending that to 4096 if that is possible at all? any hints or readup welcome.
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07:22<dutchfish>i should have said, 'by default'
07:22<Cakenaut>Sorry to be back again, but I'm still having problems installing fglrx. I've been following the instructions here https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Installation but the command aptitude -r -t wheezy-backports install fglrx-legacy-driver doesn't work.
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07:30<SynrG>dutchfish: man ssh-keygen? i don't think it has a dotfile though ... use an alias?
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07:33<dutchfish>SynrG, thanks, maybe i have overlooked something, i couldnt find it at first glance, thanks
07:34<SynrG>dutchfish: no, i mean the option is there to change it. but indeed i find no way to set the default. however, you could make an alias in your shell.
07:34<dutchfish>sualk, as in .bashrc ?
07:35<dutchfish>oops, that was ment for SynrG
07:35<dutchfish>SynrG, at least the -A option doesnt let me
07:35<dutchfish>SynrG, i delve into it again, thanks
07:35<SynrG>dutchfish: alias ssh-keygen="/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -b 4096"
07:35<SynrG>dutchfish: this doesn't do it for you?
07:36<Cakenaut>Sorry to bother you guys, but does anyone here have any experience getting Linux to work with an AMD HD 7770?
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07:36<dutchfish>SynrG, it does, big thank you!
07:36<SynrG>np
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07:43<Cakenaut>Anyone?
07:44<SynrG>why legacy?
07:44<Cakenaut>Because that's what the wiki recommended.
07:44<SynrG>for your specific hardware?
07:44<Cakenaut>Yh.
07:45<SynrG>where?
07:45<SynrG>(don't just link me back to the wiki ... i'm there ...)
07:45<Cakenaut>https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Installation
07:45<musca>no
07:45<SynrG>For support of Radeon HD 7000, Radeon HD 6000 and Radeon HD 5000 series GPUs. For older devices, see AMD Catalyst Legacy 13.1.
07:46<SynrG>Cakenaut: read carefully.
07:46<Cakenaut>But if you scroll down for the instructions on how to install it uses that command anyway.
07:46<SynrG>you want fglrx-driver, not legacy
07:46<SynrG>not where that statement is.
07:46<Cakenaut>Oh wait no
07:46<SynrG>that's in a section labelled "For support of Radeon HD 4000, Radeon HD 3000 and Radeon HD 2000 series GPUs.
07:47<SynrG>much older than your card
07:47<Cakenaut>Yh you're right
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07:48<Cakenaut>Everything's so blown up on my screen right now. The resolutions too low for me to guess what it is.
07:49<SynrG>make sure you purge all the legacy stuff
07:49<Cakenaut>Yh it didn't download at all.
07:49<SynrG>then install the correct driver. then reboot. all should be well.
07:49<Cakenaut>Nothings ever well with this card. Neither Ubuntu nor Mint would work even with fglrx
07:50<SynrG>Cakenaut: ah, so you didn't even follow 'step 1' of the legacy instructions, good
07:50<Cakenaut>Difference here is that Gnome doesn't work, but Cinnamon and Unity did.
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07:50<SynrG>(more reading problems)
07:50<Cakenaut>Sorry.
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07:50<SynrG>that's ok. this time not reading saved you from installing the legacy, which was wrong for you :)
07:51<SynrG>you don't need backports for the correct driver.
07:51<SynrG>just non-free
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07:51<Cakenaut_>I'm restarting.
07:52<SynrG>also, you don't even need the non-free driver for this card i don't think. just the non-free firmware.
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07:52<Cakenaut_>But even fglrx underperforms
07:52<Cakenaut_>Yh Got that. Was on here last night and some chaps helped me sort that out.
07:52<SynrG>as for the wrong resolution, that's probably a dkms issue
07:53<SynrG>errr, sorry
07:53<SynrG>that's probably an EDID issue
07:53<SynrG>(wrong etla ;)
07:53<Cakenaut_>My screen's just black.
07:54<SynrG>after doing what?
07:54<Cakenaut_>Rebooting
07:54<SynrG>fun times.
07:54<Cakenaut_>Yh
07:54<SynrG>try booting single and sorting it out
07:55<SynrG>i.e. the 'recovery' grub boot option
07:55<SynrG>or .. can you just ctrl-alt-f1?
07:55<SynrG>if so, just login to console and we can sort things out from there
07:56<SynrG>will need to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log. you can use nopaste to put it at paste.debian.net
07:56<Cakenaut_>Huge error
07:56<Cakenaut_>Bad page map in process udevd
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07:58<SynrG>hmm
07:58<SynrG>,bug 699091
07:58<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/699091 in src:linux (open, moreinfo): «linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64: kernel BUG: Bad page map in process udevd»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-01-27; last modified: 2013-10-30.
07:58<SynrG>no solution given there. it was suggested the person reporting the bug try a memtest86+ to test memory of the system but they reported it was clean for them
07:59<SynrG>i think it's unrelated to your fglrx issue.
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08:00<Cakenaut_>Well my desktop hasn't loaded.
08:00<Cakenaut_>I can't recall the name of the thing, but myh screen is just a wall of text right now.
08:00<SynrG>all i'm saying is i think you may have two problems, not one, and you're only seeing this now because you don't normally switch to console
08:00<Cakenaut_>I think it's conducting a maintenance scan.
08:01<SynrG>fsck?
08:01<Cakenaut_>So do you have any ideas as to what could be the problem with the memory?
08:01<Cakenaut_>No idea.
08:02<SynrG>since i can't see what you're seeing, and your description is rather vague, my guesses about what it is are going to be poor :)
08:02<SynrG>the memory thing could be a bug, or could be hardware. dunno.
08:02<SynrG>certainly doing a memtest86+ is not unreasonable to try.
08:02<SynrG>(should be one of the 'advanced' boot options)
08:03<Cakenaut_>It won't let me type anything.
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08:03<Cakenaut_>I should reboot?
08:03<SynrG>that's why i suggested rebooting it 'single'
08:03<SynrG>well, reboot to grub. find the 'memtest86+' thing ...
08:03<SynrG>choose it. let it run for a while.
08:03<SynrG>this could take a very long time if you run the whole scan, though.
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08:04<SynrG>otherwise, you can probably get it to boot back to console just with 'recovery' boot option
08:04<Cakenaut_>Doing it now.
08:04<SynrG>then we can investigate your Xorg.0.log and proceed from there.
08:04<SynrG>but for now, until we find some link between the two, i do think we have two different issues.
08:06<Cakenaut_>Thanks for the help btw. I think the test is 9% complete so far.
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08:11<Cakenaut_>Ok I think it's reported 2 errors.
08:11<Cakenaut_>26% of the way there
08:12<Cakenaut_>Failing address 001dbbf8058
08:12<Cakenaut_>Good 00000001
08:12<Cakenaut_>Bad 00002001
08:12<Cakenaut_>Err Bits 00002000
08:13<SynrG>yeah. got multiple sticks of ram?
08:13<Cakenaut_>2 4Gb
08:13<SynrG>try booting on only one at a time
08:13<SynrG>make sure to be grounded when you pull your RAM. don't want static discharge to wreck your one remaining good stick
08:14<Cakenaut_>Remove the ram cards?
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08:14<SynrG>yup
08:15<SynrG>just one of them. then boot and memtest86+ that one
08:15<Cakenaut_>That might not be doable right now.
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08:16<SynrG>until you solve this, there's not much point in trying to solve the graphics driver issue ...
08:16<SynrG>(and who knows, maybe we'll be lucky and it will solve it)
08:17<Cakenaut_>I can't remove components right now. But you think it's a hardware issue?
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08:18<oldlaptop>Cakenaut_: if your RAM is testing bad, that's a hardware issue
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08:19<Cakenaut_>Right.
08:19<SynrG>Cakenaut_: you *at least* have a hardware issue
08:19<SynrG>we don't know yet whether you also have a graphics driver issue
08:19<oldlaptop>It may not be responsible for your GPU issue, but it's going to cause some kind of trouble
08:19<SynrG>right
08:19<oldlaptop>It's not even necessarily the RAM
08:19<oldlaptop>I had a laptop (thinkpad X31) fail memtest a while back
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08:20<oldlaptop>The RAM all tested good in another machine, it was the motherboard (that motherboard later died altogether)
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08:20<SynrG>oldlaptop: oh, fun
08:20<SynrG>let's hope it's not that
08:20<oldlaptop>I wouldn't put something like this entirely beyond a wonky PSU either
08:23<Cakenaut_>I'm still running the memtest atm just to make sure there's nothing else.
08:23<unityself>hi I have some problems with my xorg server: I install the nvidia drivers and after I run sudo nvidia-config and reboot the hole system no application can be opened by my xorg server(xbmc,x-window-manager,steam), because there is no display set(echo $DISPLAY = "")
08:24<unityself>how can I fix that
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08:26<unityself>Is here someone who can help me?
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08:26<symptom_>hi
08:26<unityself>hi
08:26<unityself>hi I have some problems with my xorg server: I install the nvidia drivers and after I run sudo nvidia-config and reboot the hole system no application can be opened by my xorg server(xbmc,x-window-manager,steam), because there is no display set(echo $DISPLAY = "")
08:27<oldlaptop>unityself: Does X actually start and run?
08:27<oldlaptop>(it's not going to help you to repeat yourself every two minutes or so)
08:29<unityself>@oldlaptop there is no application with a x in the name that is started by default
08:29<symptom_>i have same problem. at first my x start without any graph card. and then i install nvidia-server or something like that. then reboot and there is no x . so i format and reinstal 3 times what am i suppose to do?
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08:30<unityself>There is no application with a x in the name that is started by default
08:30<oldlaptop>does the X server start and run?
08:33<symptom_>if you asking me
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08:34<unityself>no: steam-de error: ERROR the control display is undefined; please run 'nvidia-settings --help' for usage information\nCannot open display\nCannot open display...,xbmc error: Error: unable to open display, x-window-manager error: (x-window-manager:3749) Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
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08:34<oldlaptop>symptom_: Can you post the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
08:34<oldlaptop>unityself: Where are you getting that output from?
08:35<unityself>the raw terminal from debian
08:35<symptom_>x start at first but nvidia or noveou doesnt work. when i tried to nvidia conf. it ask me to install something.like "there is no xorg-server" or something like that. then i install what it ask to and reboot. this time there is no x server
08:35<oldlaptop>ah. You have that stuff in .xinitrc or something then?
08:35<symptom_>i cant because i already format. cause i hadnt. x server so...
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08:36<oldlaptop>symptom_: It's not going to be possible to diagnose your problem without information about it
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08:37<symptom_>ok. thank you anyway
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08:37<oldlaptop>I can give you some advice: avoid NVIDIA products :|
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08:40<Cakenaut_>Just an update the memtest is 90% complete.
08:40<SynrG>it's like watching paint dry. super exciting
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08:40<SynrG>thanks for the updates ;)
08:41<Cakenaut_>It is a bit dull lol
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08:41<Cakenaut_>Still at least it's getting there.
08:41<symptom_>can u say me what patches i need to install? cause when i try to install only nvidia aptitude installing what ever it needs. then it says "reboot system cause nouveau is running" when i reboot nouveau or nvidia doesnt work. kde start without grap. card. then when i tried to start nvidia-conf it doesnt work
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08:43<oldlaptop>symptom_: you should probably do that from a tty, without X running at all
08:43<Cakenaut_>Will memtest stop automatically?
08:43<oldlaptop>Cakenaut_: it starts over again, IIRC
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08:44<oldlaptop>the idea being that you can leave it sit all night (or all week) to be extra extra sure
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08:44<Cakenaut_>Oh right. Well it's started again and nothing else has shown up
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08:45<unityself>He there is no log named Xorg.0.log
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08:47<marcos>ompaul, thanks for the hints, i'll look at them
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08:49<unityself>oldlaptop: I download my driver here an run it http://www.nvidia.de/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/331.79/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.79.run&lang=de&type=geforcem
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08:50<unityself>from the raw terminal
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08:51<unityself>I try to install drivers for the nvidia gt610
08:51<unityself>I download my driver here an run it http://www.nvidia.de/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/331.79/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.79.run&lang=de&type=geforcem
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08:51<unityself>I have some problems with my xorg server: I install the nvidia drivers and after I run sudo nvidia-config and reboot the hole system no application can be opened by my xorg server(xbmc,x-window-manager,steam), because there is no display set(echo $DISPLAY = "")
08:52<unityself>Is here someone who can help me?
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08:57<Cakenaut_>Oh 4 more errors have appeared.
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08:59<oldlaptop>Cakenaut_: At some point you need to pull all the RAM out and then run memtest on one stick at a time
08:59<Cakenaut_>I'm not sure testing eavh card individually would do much. It would appear that the errors are showing on both sticks.
09:00<oldlaptop>ah
09:00<Cakenaut_>They're being repeated for each stick
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09:01<oldlaptop>Cakenaut_: you mean the errors occur in the exact same place on each stick? :/
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09:02<Cakenaut_>The errors are listed, but the same error is listed twice one after the other, the first referring to 7611mb and the second 7675mb
09:02<Cakenaut_>I assume it's referring to both cards.
09:03*oldlaptop doesn't remember memtest's interface well enough to draw a mental picture
09:03<Cakenaut_>Sorry.
09:04<oldlaptop>what do you have to do with that? :)
09:04<Cakenaut_>No it's just I can't think of a very good way to describe it.
09:04<oldlaptop>ah
09:04<oldlaptop>It might actually be able to see and test the cards individualy
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09:04<oldlaptop>I'd think it's more likely there's two errors in the same MB of RAM or something
09:05<oldlaptop>as I understand it all memtest (or any software) can address is one linear space
09:05<oldlaptop>i.e. memtest probably can't see the RAM sticks individually
09:05<oldlaptop>I could well be wrong though
09:05<Cakenaut_>You're probably right.
09:06<Cakenaut_>But I'm curious as to why the amount of available space is changing.
09:06<Cakenaut_>I should have 8gb total.
09:06<Cakenaut_>But it's changing from 7611 to 7675mb
09:07<Cakenaut_>I understand that it would never actually be precisely 8gb, but why the fluctuation?
09:08<oldlaptop>maaaaybe that has something to do with the defective RAM?
09:08<oldlaptop>I wouldn't think memtest would ever use that much RAM for itself...
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09:10<SynrG>i believe it's possible to tell the kernel to map around bad ram ...
09:10<oldlaptop>apparently
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09:10<oldlaptop>Sounds like a good way to get bitten hard when more bits go bad
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09:11*oldlaptop looks at a memtest screenshot to refresh memory
09:12<SynrG>thing is, where there is *some* bad ram, there may be more to follow. so it's not a good long-term solution. may help as a workaround
09:12<oldlaptop>Cakenaut_: The '7611MB' and '7675MB' figures you refer to are the same places '1185.2MB' occurs here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Memtest86%2B_2-errors-found.jpg
09:12<SynrG>i.e. either mem= or memmap= kernel params
09:13<Cakenaut_>Yup
09:13<oldlaptop>It looks to me (in the screenshot I linked) that there's two distinct locations right next to each other which are bad
09:13<oldlaptop>and memtest separately lists each test it got them to screw up with
09:13<oldlaptop>(the Tst column)
09:14<oldlaptop>where are you seeing available RAM fluctuate?
09:14<Cakenaut_>On my screen the Tst column is all 5
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09:15<oldlaptop>interesting
09:15<oldlaptop>Are the hexadecimal numbers under Failing Address all different then?
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09:16<anton>ma dove siamo?
09:16<Cakenaut_>Yh
09:16<Cakenaut_>I have 001dbbf8058
09:16<anton>i search luca camper
09:17<Cakenaut_>001dfbf8038
09:17<Cakenaut_>001dbbf81d8
09:17<oldlaptop>Cakenaut_: yeah, the actual numbers shouldn't be important, just the fact that they're diffreent
09:17<Cakenaut_>Okay.
09:17<Cakenaut_>lol
09:17<oldlaptop>alrhough those addresses aren't right next to each other
09:18<oldlaptop>I guess the way to go now is to test each stick individually if possible
09:19<oldlaptop>Maybe do what SynrG suggested earlier and tell the kernel to skip the bad bits as a temporary measure
09:19<oldlaptop>never done that, don't know how offhand :)
09:19<kyc4028>if you "mix" (as opposed to backporting) packages from Debian testing onto a Debian stable system
09:20<kyc4028>do you run a risk of breaking your system to the point of reinstallation?
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09:21<Cakenaut_>I think my system is already broken to the point I don't care if I have to reinstall.
09:21<unityself>IS HERE SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP ME?
09:22<anton>by
09:22<unityself><unityself> oldlaptop: I download my driver here an run it http://www.nvidia.de/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/331.79/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.79.run&lang=de&type=geforcem
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09:22<unityself><unityself> from the raw terminal
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09:22<unityself><unityself> I try to install drivers for the nvidia gt610
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09:23<unityself>what the hell
09:24<unityself>http://paste.debian.net/103968/ IS HERE SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP ME?
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09:25<Cakenaut_>I'm afraid I don't have an anti-static wristband. How should I go about removing the ram? My ram cards if I recall are also behind my graphics card, so that's have to also be removed.
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09:26<florian_>Is here someone who can help me?
09:27<florian_>sorry wrong channel
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09:27<giles>Cakenaut_, just don't wear woolly clothing, make sure you touch an earthed bare metal surface before handling the devices and avoid touching any static sensitive surfaces
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09:28<unityself>http://paste.debian.net/103968/ IS HERE SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP ME?
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09:29<nyov>unityself: first, you won't have DISPLAY set, if there is no display (tty/getty). second, installing non-packaged software is not supported here. third, spamming and "shouting" gets you ignored.
09:29<towo`><unityself> I download my driver here an run it http://www.nvidia.de/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/331.79/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.79.run
09:29<towo`>that's the culprint
09:31<nyov>unityself: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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09:32<zykotick9>!tell towo` about why nvidia installer sucks
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09:33<towo`>zykotick9, that was a quote of unityself
09:33<zykotick9>towo`: oh, sorry!
09:33<towo`>zykotick9, i do not habe a problem, i only pointed out the error he make
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09:34<zykotick9>towo`: sorry, I misunderstood that was a quote, I thought that was what you where recommending to do
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09:36<nyov>Cakenaut_: you can just ignore the bad ram, using memmap or badram kernel params. badram needs a kernel patch (apt-get kernel-patch-badram)
09:37<nyov>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/75059/how-to-blacklist-a-correct-bad-ram-sector-according-to-memtest86-error-indicati#answer-86804
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09:41<Cakenaut_>But I would have no idea how to use memmap
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09:42<nyov>http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/bad_memory.txt
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09:44<nyov>i haven't used memmap; but here is a slightly more elaborate example I guess: http://bryanquigley.com/planet-ubuntu/bad-memory-howto
09:45<Cakenaut_>Without meaning to be rude or anything, but is there no way I can ignore this issue?
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09:46<Hell-Razor>does the 64bit bsd debian not support 32bit?
09:46<nyov>Cakenaut_: bad ram will eat your data. I wouldn't recommend ignoring it
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09:48<__odie>hi, i have a new installation of debian with installed fglrx drivers for my ATI card. now i have my monitor attached to the ATI card, and after boot i dont get the login tty screen. (no X is not started and i start it by hand)
09:49<__odie>if i attach the monitor to my motherboard port (which supports the integrated intel hd graphics) then i get an output for the tty
09:49<Hell-Razor>could it be starting in another terminal __odie? i had an issue like that before where 0 was the left side plugin to my card, 1 was was the right
09:49<spippi>anyone know what's better solution as antivirus?
09:49<Hell-Razor>antivirus? for nix?
09:50<spippi>yes
09:50<spippi>ihihihi i'm newbie
09:50<Hell-Razor>no need
09:50<spippi>ok
09:50<Hell-Razor>you can get a rootkit checker
09:50<Hell-Razor>but for the nix community its rare id say
09:50<spippi>have i need only this
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09:51<__odie>Hell-Razor: no i have outputs like DFP6/DFP7 which are correct in X after i blindly login and type startx :D
09:51<Cakenaut_>I think I'm gonna try and work around the existing bad memory. I don't feel like I'm in a position to mess about testing each card.
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09:52<spippi>what's the better? Hell-Razor
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09:56<Hell-Razor>Cakenaut_ you can run a memtes
09:56<Hell-Razor>t
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09:59<Cakenaut_>Yh just done the memtest
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10:00<Hell-Razor>im trying to figure out why the 64bit of debian didnt do multilib
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10:00<Cakenaut_>Ah right forgot. Gui is dead.
10:00<nyov>__odie: fglrx doesn't support KMS, you may need to boot with kernel parameter "nomodeset" to see the terminal
10:01<__odie>nyov: that actually works
10:01<__odie>nyov: so it may be solved with an nvidia card? :D
10:01<spippi>i have only two problem in new installation: the first touchpad don't click as left button of mouse
10:02<nyov>no, nvidia driver doesn't either. you'll need the open source drivers for both to use KMS
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10:02<nyov>(afaik)
10:03<Cakenaut_>Is there anyway I can isolate memory in the console?
10:03<spippi>how can i setting my system for go in hybernate mode after 5 minute that pc not in use(i have lxde)
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10:04<themill>Hell-Razor: what are you really trying to do here?
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10:06<imavlr>How do I turn of the silly graphical boot grub menu?
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10:07<Hell-Razor>themill id like to do some gaming but run other stuff in 64bit land
10:08<nyov>Cakenaut_: http://paste.debian.net/103971/ see the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash memmap=5M\\\$970M"
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10:08<themill>dpkg: tell Hell-Razor about multiarch
10:09<Cakenaut_>Turns out the console may not be usable at all.,
10:09<Cakenaut_>I think my machine is just outright broken now.
10:09<nyov>what do you mean by console?
10:10<Cakenaut_>I mean like the terminal but without the desktop
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10:10<Cakenaut_>It's not in a window
10:10<Cakenaut_>In fact I can't get to a login anymore.
10:11<nyov>ah okay. well, bad ram can have all kinds of effects. mabe a restart helps you temporarily, puts something else at the bad memory location
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10:11<spippi>Hell-Razor, please can you tell me other on antivirus rootkit etc
10:11<__odie>nyov: so in fact a combination of performance proprietary driver + tty graphic adaption is not possible atm?
10:11<Cakenaut_>Already tried to restart
10:11<Cakenaut_>Standard boot does nothing.
10:12<Cakenaut_>Just leaves me with a black screen with a text icon blinking, but I can't type.
10:12<Cakenaut_>Recovery mode runs a maintenance.
10:14<nyov>well, that sucks. but recovery mode is single-user. that should be enough to fix up grub's kernel line
10:14<Cakenaut_>It won't let me enter any commands
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10:15<nyov>__odie: what's tty graphic adaption?
10:15<Hell-Razor>themill thanks
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10:16<Cakenaut_>I think I may need to reinstall.
10:17<nyov>Cakenaut_: ouch. maybe your system suffered already? if possible, use a live cd or netboot then. reinstall after you have the memory fixed
10:17<nyov>(live cd to fix the kernel boot params, I mean)
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10:20<spippi>anyone please can you tell me other on antivirus rootkit etc
10:21<nyov>spippi: look for: chkrootkit, harden, rkhunter, aide, unhide ...
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10:23<nyov>for antivirus, clamav
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10:26<Hell-Razor>wtf are with these locks... seems like dpkg always gets locked after installign something
10:28<themill>?
10:29<ompaul>Hell-Razor: it happens while it is installing, it should go away after something is installed or else something is not right
10:29<Cakenaut_>I'm gonna try and run Debian live.
10:29<Cakenaut_>Try and isolate the dodgy memory that way.
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10:30<ompaul>Hell-Razor: you get your DB locked, you do your thing, you install, upgrade, dist-upgrade whatever, your lock goes away.
10:32<Hell-Razor>i did dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update, it finished, now im just trying to do wine32
10:32<ompaul>what command line
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10:36<Cakenaut_>Sorry but how should I adjust this command? memmap=10M$800M To get the correct memory ignored.
10:36<ompaul>Cakenaut_: how do you know the address being reported is the right one once you know something is wrong.
10:37<ompaul>get new ram or remove one stick if you have two
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10:38<Cakenaut_>Well the addresses appeared in memtest. Surely they'd be correct?
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10:39<ompaul>I'll stay it again. Remove one stick if you have two. If it is in a state of decay how do you know it will stay in that space.
10:39<Hell-Razor>what do you mean ompaul
10:39<Cakenaut_>I'm not in a position to muuck about inside my computer. Although I take your point.
10:40<Cakenaut_>*muck
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10:41<Hell-Razor>then why are you complaining
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10:42<ompaul>Cakenaut_: so then you have to get someone else to do. There is no utility that I am aware of, you will have to mess with kernel management of memory, that's not a good idea unless you have a lot of time.
10:42<Cakenaut_>If you mean me complaining. I'm not, just considering my options. Some peeps on here suggested I trying to use the kernal, which was what I was looking into.
10:43<Cakenaut_>Yh think you might be right ompaul
10:43<ompaul>Hell-Razor: I just described this, the actual expected activity of the apt locks.
10:44<Cakenaut_>Ok thanks so much for the help. You guys have been really great. :)
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10:51<mazas>hello
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11:13<Hell-Razor>well time to install bsd and hope i can get good 3d rendering
11:13<bjb>I have wheezy installed, and I want to get solr-jetty working. I installed solr-jetty and openjdk-6-jdk, and when I visit localhost:8983, I see jetty ok, but when I visit localhost:8983/solr, the page gives a message about jsp not being "enabled". How can I enable jsp?
11:14<bjb>I'm not very knowledgeable about java in general, maybe it's a simple thing?
11:14<unityself>ok again I completly reinstall debian with the minimal installation. Then I install the nvidia driver with https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22. After rebooting the text size is big then before and I cannot start any program thats needs OpenGL because the program "Cannot open display"
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11:15<unityself>How can I fix that
11:15<unityself>?
11:15<bjb>unityself, is your DISPLAY environment variable set?
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11:16<unityself>no (echo $DISPLAY="")
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11:16<unityself>how can I correctly set my DISPLAY environment variable
11:16<unityself>?
11:17<bjb>Well, that should be fixed. My DISPLAY is :0
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11:17<bjb>Well, normally DISPLAY is set by your X Window initialization ... sort of
11:17<bjb>Are you running X windows?
11:18<unityself>no
11:18<bjb>you did say you did a "minimal" install,
11:18<unityself>yes
11:18<bjb>Ok, setting DISPLAY without running X will not help : -)
11:18<unityself>ok how can I run X?
11:18<bjb>Hmm. Unless the graphics program does not run under X, you need to run X
11:19<bjb>you need to install xserver-xorg (or maybe it's xorg-xserver) and some kind of window manager or even desktop.
11:19<bjb>example window manager, fluxbox. example desktop, kde
11:20<bjb>It's "xserver-xorg"
11:20<bjb>Hmm.
11:20<unityself>which desktop envirment is the lightest?
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11:21<bjb>First, I'm assuming you want to display the results of the graphics program on the same machine you are running it on, the one that doesn't have X Window System (yet)?
11:21<bjb>Re: "lightest", you don't want a "desktop" then
11:21<bjb>I'm not sure which window manager is the lightest - there are xfce, fluxbox, and some others. I'm currently using fluxbox
11:21<bjb>It's pretty light
11:22<bjb>There's twm. Not sure if it still exists but if it does it's very lightweight
11:23<bjb>Yep, it's still there (as of wheezy)
11:23<unityself>Can I also going to have none desktop envirment or only a desktop envirment thats shows a blank screen
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11:23<mtn>unityself: does your install work before installing the nvidia drivers?
11:24<mtn>unityself: or I should say, have you tried the open source drivers?
11:24<unityself>yes
11:24<mtn>unityself: then why bother with the nvidia driver?
11:24<unityself>to the first yes
11:25<bjb>unityself, probably twm will be good for you. I don't think it has any "panel" and it is certainly not a "desktop"
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11:26<unityself>k
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11:30<nyov>unityself: it looks like you want a "headless" setup? if so, look into xvfb,
11:30<nyov>https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6281998/can-i-run-glu-opengl-on-a-headless-server
11:30<nyov>http://ccr.buffalo.edu/support/UserGuide/AdvancedTopics/opengl_setup.html
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11:31<bjb>So .... is there a different channel where I can ask about solr-jetty on debian wheezy? I think I need to ask people who know the debian packages. It "just works" on ubuntu, and the google search results aren't that helpful in terms of troubleshooting on Debian. There's a bunch of "Well, your packages are borked! You did something wrong!" and "use these other more recent packages" and not so much "here's how to fix it for the packages you're using" because I ne
11:31<bjb>I cannot run ubuntu in a VM on my old laptop - too slow
11:31<bjb>no hw virtualization
11:32<bjb>and not much will to do it either : -)
11:34<nyov>bjb: there is maybe a README that comes with the solr package and tells you what to do. try `dpkg -L solr-jetty` and look for documentation maybe
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11:35<spippi>if i push stamp button not work
11:35<spippi>i have lxde
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11:35<bjb>nyov, I think it assumes that the jetty package has jsp "enabled" already
11:35<spippi>and i have a problem with click of touchpad
11:35<spippi>not work
11:35<bjb>Well I'll have another look, I guess I was reading the ckan docs. Maybe the solr package has extra info
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11:37<nyov>no clue about anything java, so I can't say which package would be responsible for this setting even
11:38<unityself>nyov: sorry but what is a headless setup?
11:38<bjb>haha, looking at the solr-common README.Debian: "Make sure that the tomcat/jetty user can write to this file. Yes this is ugly,
11:38<bjb>but nobody has teached the FHS to java developers yet."
11:38<bjb>no kidding
11:38<sney>hah
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11:39<unityself>nyov?
11:39<nyov>unityself: headless is if you don't need to see any graphic output, but do computing in opengl or whatever
11:40<unityself>nyov: I need a graphic setup but only for two applications and I dont need desktop
11:41<unityself>nyov: also I dont want a desktop
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11:42<nyov>if you dont want a desktop, then look at the links I pasted
11:42<unityself>nyov: k
11:43<spippi>nyov, please can you help me
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11:45<nyov>spippi: https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Using_xinput_to_determine_touchpad_capabilities
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11:46<spippi>thanks the last question if i push stamp button i don't nothing i think don't have a screenshot program
11:46<spippi>what's the better and light
11:47<nyov>what's a stamp button?
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11:48<nyov>try the any key? ... for a screenshot program, I know scrot
11:49<sney>import also works, it's in imagemagick
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11:52<unityself>ok now I have a problem: all my desktop application cannot open my display
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11:57<unityself>Is here some one who can help me.
11:57<unityself>?
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11:58<jmcnaught>unityself: can you put the error you're getting on http://paste.debian.net ?
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11:59<unityself>Its simply short: "(x-window-manager:2183) Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
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12:01<unityself>jmcnaught: this is the error I got: "(x-window-manager:2183) Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
12:01<mtn>unityself: how are you trying to start xwindows?
12:01<ompaul>user Z as user Y where Z is root
12:01<ompaul>I'm guessing
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12:02<unityself>mtn: No but if I type in xwindows "-bash xwindows: Doesn't found command"
12:03<mtn>unityself: I don't think that answers my question. how are you trying to start xwindows?
12:03<unityself>mtn: I type in xwindows and ENTER
12:04<mtn>unityself: that isn't how it is done ;)
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12:04<unityself>mtn: how can I done it?
12:04<mtn>unityself: try startx, but you will need a correct .xinitrc
12:06<unityself>mtn: ok I also try xbmc, twm and steam-de all the same error: "ERROR: unable to open display"
12:06<mtn>unityself: using the startx command? not as root?
12:07<unityself>mtn: "Command was not found"
12:07<mtn>unityself: follow this: https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg
12:08<unityself>there is no xorg.conf
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12:09<unityself>mtn: there is no xorg.conf
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12:09<mtn>unityself: don't normally need one, but you do need a .xinitrc with the correct info before running startx
12:09<unityself>mtn: where I are the .xinitrc
12:09<mtn>unityself: if you don't have the startx command, you don't have xwindows installed correctly
12:10<mtn>unityself: the wiki is very useful ;) https://wiki.debian.org/Xinitrc
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12:10<unityself>mtn: its not about xwindows its about every application thats need opengl
12:11<mtn>unityself: sounds to me like you are not starting xwindows correctly and you have failed to answer my questions in that regard.
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12:14<unityself>mtn: ok here is my full problem EVERY Application thats need OPENGL or XORG gives me the SAME ERROR: "UNABLE TO OPEN DISPLAY"
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12:15<Apollo>looks like you need to start xorg in the first place ;)
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12:15<sney>^
12:15<nyov>wtf
12:15<mtn>yes, I don't know how many times we need to tell him :P
12:16<sney>!sunday
12:16<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
12:16<sney>just a thought.
12:16<victory>sunday is over :p
12:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 705] by debhelper
12:17<sney>not in my time zone
12:17<unityself>how can I start xorg?
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12:19<sney>either with startx or with a login manager. and naturally it needs to be installed
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12:25<doev>with a broadcom chip I have wlan with about 60% signal strength, but the connetcion breaks when I start transfer to much data. what can I test?
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12:28<unityself>mtn: Is it good when I have a balck screen if I run X -config xorg.conf.new?
12:28<unityself>mtn: *black
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13:00<unityself>Can someone help me I start my Xorg Server by typing in X and now I want to start a application
13:00<unityself>how can I do this?
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13:01<sney>normally, when you start an X session, you get a window manager with at least some form of a menu. I don't know how you got to this state without that
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13:02<ompaul>given the problems you are having apt-get install kdm lxde or some such and reconfigure whatever you want after that
13:02<crunchbang>good question
13:02<c_gone>maybe a net install... or unityself didn't select "desktop" when installing
13:03<crunchbang>you guys can have it back,e by
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13:04<sney>yeah, netinstall without a net connection could do it, then he just installed xorg alone I suppose
13:04<c_gone>you're right...
13:04<c_gone>ompaul is right as well
13:05<unityself>sney: sorry I dont understand you
13:05<ompaul>unityself: ping www.google.com from that machine
13:06<unityself>ok I got some results
13:06<sney>unityself: I think you are just missing a lot of the software that should have been installed
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13:07<c_gone>if you have no idea about which desktop to use, do:
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13:07<c_gone>apt-get install lxde
13:07<unityself>sney: which software should have been installed? Is there real no way to start a window by using a external command?
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13:07<c_gone>you're missing too much software probably unityself
13:07<sney>it sounds like you just have xorg and nothing else, and that's really a crappy user interface on its own
13:07<unityself>c_gone: I dont want adesktop envirment I just want to start two applications
13:08<c_gone>ok, which?
13:08<sney>if you want to go super old school minimal, try 'apt-get install wmaker'
13:08<c_gone>you can always search with apt-cache search (package)
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13:08<c_gone>then apt-get install (package)
13:08<unityself>steam-login(https://github.com/thor27/steam-login) or steam by itselfs and xbmc
13:09<sney>and once you have a window manager like wmaker installed, you can launch other stuff from a menu and fullscreen it if it can do that and so on
13:09<nyov>you guys are all missing the point. unityself wants to run opengl "windows" on a tty
13:09<somiaj>you can put the applications you want to start in .xsession and not need a window manager, (:
13:09<c_gone>I got it that's why I stopped typing
13:09<unityself>somiaj: where is .xsession?
13:10<unityself>c_gone: ok
13:10<c_gone>use locate, or whereis to look for files easily
13:11<c_gone>steam is on debian repositories...
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13:11<c_gone>doesn't work on legacy nvidia cards before 304.xx
13:12<somiaj>unityself: it is in $HOME/.xsession (that is the debian prefered method, and startx will honor it. If you don't use the startx wrapper but xinit directally you may want .xinitrc (note .xinitrc will not work with display managers but it sounds like that isn't an issue)
13:13<somiaj>c_gone: since this is a debian stable support channel, steam is not in wheezy repos. (:
13:13<c_gone>oops...
13:14<c_gone>https://wiki.debian.org/Steam
13:14<c_gone>forgot, I had installed it and then purged it since I got an old legacy card
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13:15<somiaj>yea steam is in jessie (and sid) but the closed source binary last I saw was compiled against glibc newer than is in wheezy and you can't even backport it to wheezy
13:15<unityself>.xsession or .xinitrc are not in my homefolder
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13:15<unityself>somiaj: .xsession or .xinitrc are not in my homefolder
13:15<somiaj>unityself: so create one, and put things like 'exec /path/to/command1 &' as one line (the & is important if you want two commands to run
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13:15<unityself>somiaj: But I just run X thats all
13:16<somiaj>unityself: then put exec /path/to/program2 in the next, and they will both run at startup and as soon as program2 ends xorg will quit
13:16<somiaj>unityself: correct, those are configuration files for additional commands to run when you run x
13:16<c_gone>somiaj, I used the wiki, and right after installing steam I removed testing repo and it worked...
13:16<c_gone>I don't even use that on sid...
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13:17<oldlaptop>unityself: You should not run 'X' alone
13:17<somiaj>c_gone: so you mixed wheezy and jessie, that is very very bad juju and you now have an unsupported system which may have unforseen bugs.
13:17<nyov>unityself: no idea if this works with xbmc, but I'm using nodm for a linux pvr. maybe that's what you want?
13:17<oldlaptop>that just starts the X server, which as you now know is useless on its own
13:18<unityself>oh
13:18<somiaj>oldlaptop: it can be done, I use to run an xterm from my .xinitrc and then launch things from there, though without a wm it has limitations
13:18<nyov>it's enough, if one only wants to run a single "window", such as xbmc?
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13:18<oldlaptop>somiaj: xinitrc doesn't get executed if you run the X server directly, IIRC
13:19<unityself>how can I run X server with .xinitrc
13:19<oldlaptop>'xinitrc', not 'xrc'
13:19<oldlaptop>unityself: startx
13:19<c_gone>I didn't somiaj system works fine, and after installing steam all repos are stable
13:19<unityself>and again there is no command startx
13:19<sney>gotta install xinit then
13:19<oldlaptop>which means you don't have a full X installation
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13:20<somiaj>c_gone: it may work fine and then one day the fact you have core libaries not in wheezy certain thigns may not be installable or work. We do not support mixing of debian versions. Many times I see people with really broken systems from doing just what you did. If it works for you good, don't suggest it here, and your system is not supported.
13:20<unityself>sney: now it works
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13:20<oldlaptop>unityself: you should install the 'xorg' package
13:21<oldlaptop>That will give you a minimal (but fully working) X installation (though you might have enough pieces already)
13:21<somiaj>oldlaptop: what do you mean by run the xserver directally? To me that means run xinit which uses .xinitrc
13:21<oldlaptop>somiaj: unityself was running X
13:21<oldlaptop>/usr/bin/X
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13:21<oldlaptop>or at least that's how I understand this?
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13:22<unityself>now I want to control xbmc with my controler how can I do this
13:22<oldlaptop>ah, apparently xorg does not get you a window manager?
13:22<unityself>xboxdrv?
13:22<somiaj>you were already suggested you could install a window manager, but yes you can run without one if you like. There are also lots of vary minimial window managers you can choose in debian
13:22<oldlaptop>unityself: you probably need to ask the XBMC people, they no doubt have an IRC channel somwhere
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13:23<unityself>ok
13:23<oldlaptop>unityself: If I may ask, what exactly do you want to use this computer for?
13:23<sney>sounds like a diy steambox/htpc
13:23<unityself>multimedia and gaming
13:23<oldlaptop>You probably want a window manager
13:23<oldlaptop>you might even want a full DE
13:24<c_gone>we mentioned it, he wanted a tty probably to run steam with...
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13:25<c_gone>somiaj don't worry my stable hard drive installation is stable...
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13:25<oldlaptop>unityself: There are a *lot* of window managers out there
13:25<somiaj>if you installed steam from testing on it, it is not, what version of libc6 do you run c_gone
13:26<oldlaptop>you might look at openbox if you're sure you don't want a full desktop system
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13:29<unityself>I dont want a window or desktop manager I just write simple bash script that helps me to change between the applications
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13:30<somiaj>unityself: so you want to rebuild some functionality of a wm, just grab one that has the functinlaity you need already, xlib requires a bit of work
13:31<somiaj>things like openbox, ratposoins or if you want to go original twm are very minimial and might give you everything you need
13:31<somiaj>you can turn off window decorations in many wms if you don't want them too
13:31<unityself>I only want that if xbmc is closing to start steam and if steam is closing to start xmbc
13:31<unityself>*xbmc
13:32<c_gone>somiaj, of course libc6 was from jessie, nothing more or steam wouldn't play, thought you knew that... If steam supported legacy cards I might be using it as well. Can I give you a dollar to stop bugging me about it? I've been using debian since woody...
13:32<nyov>exactly! who needs X. shell job controls ftw! ansi line output all the way
13:32<somiaj>c_gone: then you do not have a stable install. end of story
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13:32<c_gone>If libc6 from jessie was that harmfull, I would have removed it and get the stable version again. so friggin what
13:33<somiaj>unityself: you don't seem to know enough right now about how thigns work to pull this off. Grab a minimial window manager (each here may have a different choice to you), get it to work like you want. As you begin to understand what the WM is doing you can try to reimplmenet some of that functionality yourself.
13:34<c_gone>I agree with somiaj unityself
13:34<somiaj>c_gone: you are failing to grasp what debian stable is. Again people do mix, but it is not support and it is not stable. And I have seen many people who mix completely break their system.
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13:34<c_gone>I don't bitch about it, I know it, why do you insist? He wanted steam not me...
13:35<c_gone>and you're right breakage is near when you mix things up I've done it too
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13:35<c_gone>steam needs libc6 period.
13:36<c_gone>they're trashy, no debian support etc, but it's THEIR problem
13:36<unityself>ok I only want two use this script in a while endless loop: http://www.anyexample.com/linux_bsd/bash/check_if_program_is_running_with_bash_shell_script.xml
13:36<NTSS>Hello does anyone know this error in Kali when installing? "Loading partman-ext3 failed for unknown reasons."
13:36<somiaj>c_gone: yes so the answer to can I install steam in debian stable is no, their closed source binary requires packages not ind ebian. (:
13:36<oldlaptop>!based on debian
13:36<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
13:36<c_gone>Kali? this is debian NTSS
13:37<NTSS>But it is based on debian :|
13:37<NTSS>Isn't it?
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13:38<nyov>and windows is based on dos
13:38<NTSS>:P fair pomit
13:38<NTSS>point*
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13:38<oldlaptop>NTSS: see dpkg's tidbit
13:38<c_gone>somiaj, exactly, but unity needed it, and now he knows the whole story... If he decides to do it, it's not your fault or mine...
13:39<c_gone>NTSS why don't you try searching for a kali channel?
13:39<somiaj>NTSS: note the word base, this is a support channel for debian stable (not any of the many distros that are based on debian, there are many solical and technical reasons we do not support based on debian distros.
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14:13<spippi>i must install or not antivirus?
14:14<sney>are you hosting services for windows clients?
14:14<spippi>no
14:14<sney>then no.
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14:14<spippi>i'm newbie user of linux
14:15<spippi> i'm safe for all?
14:15<unityself>Does someone know where I can got libGL.so.1 32bit for 64 debian 7?
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14:22<phillipsjk>spippi, linux viruses are possible, but anti-viruses use a dictionary of known viruses. Invariably, Linux host anti-viruses will be looking for Windows viruses.
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14:23<phillipsjk>It may even be possible to run some Windows malware on GNU/Liunx using wine.
14:23<sney>really unlikely though
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14:24<phillipsjk>You'd almost have to do it deliberately.
14:24<sney>pretty much.
14:25<spippi>thanks phillipsjk
14:26<sney>!tell unityself about multiarch
14:27<phillipsjk>A big difference is that you get a lot of your software using apt-get or aptitude. Downloading random binaries and running them is not common (unless you count Adobe flash containers).
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14:32<ompaul>I'd replace that "a lot" with "almost all including flash"
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15:03<jmcnaught>Hi folks. I just made a new page on the wiki with advice on how not to break a Debian system based on my experience helping here on IRC. I couldn't find an equivalent page, so i hope it's cool that I made a new one. https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian feedback and edits welcome! :)
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15:05<oldlaptop>jmcnaught: How are those things sorted? Prevalance of the problem? Not sorted in particular?
15:06<jmcnaught>oldlaptop: mostly by prevalence of problem. I was also trying to keep the list short enough that new users might actually read the whole thing
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15:08<oldlaptop>that's possibly the most important stylistic consideration there is ;)
15:09<jmcnaught>i figured "don't frankendebian" was the most important one, the rest i wasn't sure about
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15:09<oldlaptop>I would almost put the dangers of 'make install' above that, personally
15:09<oldlaptop>but frankendebian breaks systems far more reliably than that
15:11<sney>and frankendebian is far easier to do accidentally
15:11<oldlaptop>yes
15:11<sney>what with hundreds of well-intentioned blog posts advising it
15:11<jmcnaught>we were talking about the top 10 ways to break debian in #debian-offtopic on freenode last night and the general consensus was frankendebian should be #1
15:13<oldlaptop>sney: *really*
15:13<oldlaptop>I wonder how many of these bloggers wonder why their systems break every other month
15:14<sney>jmcnaught: may want to add to the "don't blindly follow bad advice" that blog posts don't expire so it's easy to google up something that was perfectly reliable and safe... in 2011
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15:15<ompaul>oldlaptop: because linux is bleeding edge and when you break your computer you reinstall like rebooting / reinstalling windows
15:15<oldlaptop>of course
15:16<oldlaptop>reformatting is like a daily shower, basic hygiene
15:18<ompaul>hehe
15:18<oldlaptop>much the same way as software is always obtained from some festering rathole on the Internet
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15:19<oldlaptop>I think a comparison to 'app stores' might be warranted in a page like that, might be the thing most likely to get through right away
15:19<jmcnaught>sney: thanks, updated it
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15:20<ompaul>!debianunbroken
15:20<dpkg>well, debianunbroken is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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15:21<oldlaptop>\o/
15:21<jmcnaught>sweet.. i think i might also change the part about GPU installer scripts to be more general
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15:23<freelinux>Reinstalling debian for the first time in a long time...
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15:24<freelinux>If i use WINE with league of legends will there be any noticeable slowdown's?
15:24<freelinux>League of legends is a game I used to play on windows BTW
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15:24<sney>ymmv
15:25<SamB>I never thought wine was particularly sluggish
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15:25<oldlaptop>if there's trouble, it will almost certainly be stuff not working
15:25<oldlaptop>not stuff working slow
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15:25<sney>in my experience, blizzard games tend to run really well in wine, better than windows in some cases. I can't remember offhand if LoL is blizzard but it's probably close enough to count
15:26<dualbus>freelinux: the only way to know is to try. Try wine, qemu-kvm, virtualbox, or dualbooting and see which one works best
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15:27<freelinux>Thanks dualbus
15:27<jmcnaught>freelinux: wine has a database http://appdb.winehq.org/ where people submit results on what works and what doesn't
15:27<SamB>if it runs correctly in wine, it should perform probably about as well as it would on Windows
15:27<SamB>the others, not so much
15:27<oldlaptop>jmcnaught: I think the main thing that page doesn't do right now is properly dissuade the tendency of Windows victims to look for software far and wide
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15:28<SamB>oldlaptop: well, *looking* is fine
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15:28<oldlaptop>yes, good point
15:28<SamB>just, you know, don't run "make install" unless you know what you're doing
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15:29<SamB>I mean, if you find the website for a cool looking program, you should do "apt-cache search coolprogram" or so
15:29<oldlaptop>the problem I have with phrasing it that way is that it doesn't get to the root of the problem, which is the belief that you get software from all these widely scattered sources
15:29<jmcnaught>oldlaptop: that's a good point, maybe i'll include a note for people coming from windows about that in the overview part at the top
15:29<oldlaptop>part of the reason you use Debian is to make that unnecessary
15:30<SamB>it doesn't always totally work though
15:31<oldlaptop>the security implications of a central repository are probably relevant too
15:31<freelinux>Okay…. Middle of debian install, failure of key exchange and association for Wi-Fi. I know i got the ESSID right and the key. Can I just install w/o internet?
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15:31<oldlaptop>Yes, but you will probably need to download more software later
15:31<sney>freelinux: yeah, you can connect later
15:31<SamB>freelinux: well, did you need packages that weren't on your install medium/media?
15:31<devil> freelinux use a cable
15:31<oldlaptop>unless you have a full or nearly full DVD set
15:32<sney>everyone knows the answer to this one
15:32<oldlaptop>yep, wifi during install is a nice convenience
15:32<oldlaptop>not something to rely on
15:33<oldlaptop>wires are your friends
15:33<oldlaptop>We've only even had WPA support in d-i since wheezy, right?
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15:34<freelinux>that was weird
15:34<freelinux>Oh, what to name the system...
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15:35<freelinux>Might as well name it Grumpy, cuz that's all this computer has been to me so far...
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15:37<oldlaptop>http://xkcd.com/910/
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15:38<freelinux>I know :P
15:38<freelinux>Still debating it...
15:38<freelinux>It's a tie right now.
15:38<freelinux>Call heads or tails someone. Or some flip a coin
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15:39<phillipsjk>ompaul: apt does not let you install flash as a limited user, does it? I don't want to install Adobe software for my main account :P
15:40<ompaul>phillipsjk: apt does not let you install
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15:40<ompaul>it allows root
15:40<ompaul>phillipsjk: if you have contrib / non-free repos you can have it
15:41<oldlaptop>freelinux: I'm boring and give all my machines systematic names
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15:41<phillipsjk>Yes, but I don't want root installing adobe software. To install as a limted user, you have to do it manually.
15:41*oldlaptop is typing on t60p-debian, a thinkpad T60p running debian
15:41<freelinux>Weiiiird. My wifi network suddenly appeared in the list and works perfectly now.
15:42-!-Martadt9 [~mart240@149.16.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #debian
15:42<Martadt9>hola
15:42<Martadt9>¡Heyyyy
15:42<ompaul>freelinux: no, that is expected behaviour, the other is not once you are in range.
15:42<ompaul>!es
15:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:42<Martadt9>gilipollas
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15:43<jmcnaught>oldlaptop: i added a paragraph to the overview at the top about the advantages of a centrailized repository and breaking the habit of installing software from random websites. Thanks for the feedback :)
15:45<oldlaptop>thanks for writing a page that needs to exist
15:46<jmcnaught>heh.. now we just need to get people to read it (and documentation in general ;)
15:47<freelinux>Wheezy jessie of sid...
15:47<freelinux>ill go for jessie
15:47<phillipsjk>still annoyed that "info" pages are still preferred over man pages. After doing "info command" I need to run "info info" then forget what I was trying to do in the first place.
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15:48<oldlaptop>freelinux: wheezy if it has to work, jessie if it has to be shiny and new
15:48<oldlaptop>sid if it has to be really shiny and you don't care if it works
15:48<oldlaptop>phillipsjk: texinfo needs to go away and die
15:49<stripe>oldlaptop, +100
15:49<phillipsjk>That is one reason I dabble in freeBSD.
15:50<phillipsjk>It is a bug if the man pages are not updated with the source.
15:50<freelinux>What's the SHNIEST DE POSSIBLE
15:51<freelinux>Shiniest*
15:51<freelinux>I want something really fabulous
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15:51<freelinux>I don't care if it functions
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15:51<Bungofant>lol
15:51<phillipsjk>Get an iphone and put it on display.
15:51<Bungofant>full ack.
15:52<phillipsjk>If you use it you will get finger-prints on it :P
15:52<oldlaptop>phillipsjk: *bsd in general are serious about their manpages
15:52<oldlaptop>it's an attitude I wish was more widespread
15:52<ncl>and that's why they usually will tell you to rtfm
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15:52<ncl>:>
15:52<Bungofant>bash: man: command not found
15:52<oldlaptop>because you really need to r that fm
15:53<oldlaptop>:|
15:53<oldlaptop>what evil broken system is that?
15:53<Bungofant>just kidding ^^
15:53<ncl>have you tried woman
15:53<Bungofant>No manual entry for woman
15:54<freelinux>maybe I'll just use enlightenment. Enlightenment is shiny.
15:55<Bungofant>omg
15:55<Bungofant>i'm getting old.
15:55<freelinux>okay?
15:56<Bungofant>the latest version auf enlightenment is 8.1... it comes in a shiny package directly from redmond. ^^
15:56<ompaul>that's not really help channel stuff
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15:57<freelinux>woah. Enlightenment has 8.1? :o
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15:59<freelinux>or I could get a ridiculously minimalistic DE
15:59<freelinux>What do you think is the most minimalist DE except none at all?
16:00<jmcnaught>freelinux: it's sort of a personal preference issue. You can have multiple DEs installed on the same system and try them all, see what works for you
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16:02<Bungofant>i really love the xfce-ISO i'm currently trying.
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16:02<Bungofant>not that minimalistic, but really fast, clear and does the job.
16:03*phillipsjk misses being abel to switch between window managers on the fly: Desktop Environments log you out when you try that.
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16:03<user__>Does linux have an option to defragment the hard drive and what all should be done to the linux operating system to take care of it ?
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16:04<ompaul>user__: it is taken care of most of the time, but remember one thing please, don't run at over 80% full on a partition it takes longer to find your data at that point if you can avoid it
16:04<phillipsjk>user__, the filesystem automatically defragments on file updates. The fastest was to defragment a degenerate filesystem is probably dump/restore.
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16:05<user__>so linux is not like windows is in that way then right ?
16:05*user__ slaps user__ around a bit with a large fishbot
16:05<mtn>user__: linux is not like windows in almost every way :P
16:06<user__>lol i didnt mean it like that but i gotcha :)
16:06<phillipsjk>I think NTFS used by Windows these days does not need defragmentiong either.
16:06<ncl>phillipsjk: it does, it's just automatically
16:06<user__>so is there really anything that i would need to do to take care of it or does it do it all for its self ?
16:07<ncl>user__: ext4 and others have their own anti-fragmentation features, but there's also a tool for ext4 for defragmentation and fragmentation, which you will likely have under 2% fragmentation anyway
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16:07<user__>also if someone installed a program on your computer and it was the type of program that apt-get wasnt used for how would you remove it
16:08<phillipsjk>If you don't have automatic updates, you may need to do that manually. (not sure what the default is)
16:08<oldlaptop>user__: you might not be able to
16:08<oldlaptop>This is why you use the repositories whenever possible
16:08<oldlaptop>or one major reason, anyhow
16:08<oldlaptop>If you still have the source directory laying around 'make uninstall' might work
16:08<ncl>user__: manually
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16:08<rryoumaa>in my experience, ext3 + sparse torrent = huge fragmentation. thus a separate partition can be useful.
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16:09<user__>i went into /usr and removed the one someone put on my computer but when the command is given in bash. well it looks like some programming language is poping up on screen and i would like to get rid of that
16:09<oldlaptop>otherwise you'll have to manually hunt down all the files it installed (and probably miss some)
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16:09<user__>i think that i got rid of the program. just wondering what directory's it would have been installed to
16:09<oldlaptop>Usually /usr/local
16:09<oldlaptop>sometimes /opt
16:09<user__>ncl manually yes.
16:09<jmcnaught>user__: the "cruft" package can help you track down files that don't belong to packages, but read the docs carefully and don't blindly delete every file it lists because there's a lot of false positives
16:10<oldlaptop>Some stuff will go into /usr directly too
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16:10<oldlaptop>it's stupid and wrong and evil, but it happens
16:10<user__>Personal i think that i got it all out
16:10<oldlaptop>user__: You might also want to look at checkinstall in the future, which at least helps to uninstall stuff
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16:10<oldlaptop>obviously the best solution is to use the repositories :)
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16:11<oldlaptop>(in many cases you don't even need to install stuff from a source tarball, you can often run the thing right from the build directory)
16:11<user__>oldlaptop you know when you type the name of the program in the terminal. how would you remove that part of the program where would it be located
16:11<oldlaptop>You mean the binary itself?
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16:12<oldlaptop>EXE in windows-speak
16:12<user__>i took it out of /usr and /bin and i cannot find any other parts of the program in there any more just that command for the terminal when you enter it
16:12<oldlaptop>...what exactly did you take out of /bin
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16:12<user__>just the program
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16:12<oldlaptop>what program?
16:12<ncl>almost nothing unimportant exists in /bin
16:12<oldlaptop>Third party stuff should never never go there
16:13<phillipsjk>user__ how malicious was this person that installed something? if it is a rootkit, it may be deliberately hard to find.
16:13<user__>he installed somthing call set on my computer and i dont want it on my computer and clamav viewed it as a threat.
16:13<user__>phillipsjk he wasnt malicious. just that he shouldnt have ever been messing with my computer after me telling him not to
16:14<oldlaptop>call set... hard to google for
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16:14<ncl>"set" is a bash builtin
16:14<oldlaptop>yes
16:14<oldlaptop>call however is not
16:14<jmcnaught>user__: sounds like a good reason not to share root password with friends :)
16:14<oldlaptop>oh oh
16:14<oldlaptop>nevermind
16:15<user__>oldlaptop that was what i spent the morning doing. and i think that i got it all out the threats that clamav was picking up is gone now. but when you type set in the terminal it is still trying to run somthing
16:15<oldlaptop>set is a basic system command!
16:15<user__>jmcnaught what i get for being a good room mate
16:15<user__>oh is it ok
16:15<oldlaptop>set is in fact built in to the bash shell
16:15<user__>so it wouldnt have anything to do with the same set he put in there
16:15<user__>?
16:16<user__>wow then i really messed up then
16:16<oldlaptop>he put something called 'set' in /bin then?
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16:16<user__>i guess
16:16<ncl>set wouldn't exist in /bin or /usr, it's a bash internal command
16:16<user__>when you go to the home dir and type ls -a what would the .set be in there.
16:16<user__>what you are telling me i shouldnt have deleted .set from the home dir then should i ?
16:16<oldlaptop>oh dear
16:17<oldlaptop>set the bash builtin has no notfiles or anything like that
16:17<user__>should i just reinstall my whole OS?
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16:17<oldlaptop>*dotfiles
16:17<oldlaptop>~/.set would not have had anything to do with set the system command
16:17<user__>so i didnt do any wrong bye deleting the .set from the home directory ? for my user and the root home dir ?
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16:17<oldlaptop>user__: ...I don't know
16:18<oldlaptop>I'd be concerned with other things this friend might have done to screw stuff up, really
16:18<ncl>user__: you should probably reinstall, yes, whether because of your rm's deleting something possibly important or your friend installing something you didn't know about
16:18<user__>oldlaptop so what you are saying that the .set in the user /home and the root /home dir's wouldnt have had anything to do with the system wide set right ?
16:18<oldlaptop>It sure shouldn't
16:18<oldlaptop>this sounds like a completely different thing than 'set' the bash builtin
16:19<user__>ncl ok i dont know what all he did and second i would feel better about it all the way around.
16:19<oldlaptop>if you do reinstall... don't give this joker root :)
16:19<oldlaptop>although if he's a roommate he probably still has physical access...
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16:19<oldlaptop>what to do, what to do
16:19<user__>oldlaptop being the kind frind and room mate is over he has lost all computer privliges all to gether after this
16:20<user__>oldlaptop what is the program set what does it do. like i said that clamav seen it as a threat ?
16:20<oldlaptop>I've never heard of it used to refer to something other than the 'set' command built in to bash
16:20<Bungofant>i'd rec'd a physical solution for that room mate. :->
16:20<phillipsjk>we don,t know. "set" is a very common word.
16:21<oldlaptop>yes, that too
16:21<user__>ok
16:21<oldlaptop>wasn't it a DOS command too? something similar to bash's set
16:21<jmcnaught>user__: does your "friend" have any information about what he/she installed, like where they got it from for example?
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16:21<Bungofant>oldlaptop, yes.
16:22<user__>jmcnaught i am not sure as of yet. i seen it on my computer where it was downloaded and i have not had the chance to talk to him as of yet
16:23<phillipsjk>Niether of you should be using root for day-to-day use anyway.
16:23<oldlaptop>^this
16:23<jmcnaught>user__: if you know where it's from it might help you assess how dangerous it was. I'd probably reinstall at this point though, and probably not even give the roommate a regular user account at least until they earn your trust again
16:24<user__>phillipsjk i normaly never use root unless it is a half to case. and as fare as root he shouldnt have ever had the root password and the only person other than me that has the password is my girlfriend and she is who he had to get it from
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16:24<oldlaptop>Ideally, you're the only one with the root password
16:24<oldlaptop>if others need it for something, that's what sudo was originally designed for
16:24<user__>jmcnaught i think i am going to reinstall anyway guess it couldnt hurt anything to open the file up and see would it.
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16:25<phillipsjk>user__, use less
16:25<oldlaptop>if you're going to reinstall the system anyway... (with media that already exists, that is)
16:25<freelinux>Why, though? why does it matter if you share the root password or use the root account if you have nothing that you want to keep private?
16:26<oldlaptop>freelinux: obviously different people have different needs with it
16:26<user__>freelinux if someone get's into your root account they will have total control over your computer
16:26<oldlaptop>And of course physical access is root access anyway
16:26<user__>not just localy but by remote use as well
16:26<oldlaptop>that's a consideration in some cases too
16:26<phillipsjk>Actually, you can simply change the root pasword by booting into single-suer mode and ruuning passwd after mounting the filesystem as read/write.
16:26<oldlaptop>hopefully you don't run sshd unless you need it (and disable root logons)
16:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 701] by debhelper
16:27<oldlaptop>phillipsjk: I think debian asks for root still
16:27<user__>oldlaptop i looked in the downloaded file that was in the home dir and when i open the file is has something in it that says setoolkit.
16:27<oldlaptop>although that's still just a speedbump
16:27<oldlaptop>init=/bin/sh would skirt it nicely
16:27<jmcnaught>freelinux: it's not just your personal privacy you need to protect on a computer system. A compromised system can also do things like send tonnes of spam for example, causing problems for everyone else
16:28<oldlaptop>hm
16:28<oldlaptop>http://sourceforge.net/projects/setoolkit/ - doesn't sound too sinister
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16:29<user__>how in the heck are you going to put somthing like that on someone else computer. he will not be touching this pc agen.
16:29<jmcnaught>also using full disk encryption can help mitigate some physical access issues, but not all of them
16:29<user__>oldlaptop do you think i need to reinstall everything that does not look good to me
16:31<user__>can help to ask my self what he may have used it for and what he could have done to my computer with it
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16:31<user__>linux doesnt have like a go back feture to it dose it
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16:31<oldlaptop>user__: I'd reinstall, if only because it's possible something's screwed up
16:32<oldlaptop>user__: I'm not familiar with how windows 'system restore' or the utilities it ripped off work
16:32<oldlaptop>I know some stuff is coming down the pipe to add functionality like that at the filesystem level
16:32<oldlaptop>btrfs, maybe HAMMER
16:32<user__>oldlaptop thank you for you help. i agree with you i am going to reinstall it. and also clamav did say there was a treat and who knows if he could have infected my system with somthing.
16:32<oldlaptop>user__: clamAV looks for windows viruses, AFAIK
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16:33<oldlaptop>windows viruses could run under WINE, in principle, I suppose
16:33<oldlaptop>but generally linux virus scanners are only useful to protect windows machines :P
16:33<user__>oldlaptop clamav was the best i could do for finding an antivirus for my computer. they dont seem to be to many that i could find for debain wheezy found one for squeezy but it wouldnt work on wheezy.
16:34<oldlaptop>You don't need antivirus on debian, or any linux
16:34<ncl>There's rkhunter
16:34<oldlaptop>The antivirus stuff that does exist is for windows viruses
16:34<oldlaptop>there is
16:34<ompaul>it is broken atm
16:34<ncl>but, besides rootkits, it's kind of hard to hide a virus on linux
16:34<sney>!squeezy
16:34<dpkg>Debian 7.0 <stable> is codenamed <wheezy>. The <oldstable> distribution, Debian 6.0, is codenamed <squeeze>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze".
16:34<user__>oldlaptop i dont use WINE. the whole point of me running linux on my computer is due to me being sick of windows being infected all the time with somthing or the other
16:34<freelinux>Oh boy.
16:34<freelinux>Noooooo.
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16:34<user__>what about rkhunter and chkrootkit ? are those any good
16:35<freelinux>My computer is a blank screen with a blinking underscore in the top left
16:35<ompaul>rkhunter had a bug in the last couple of days
16:35<freelinux>nothing happens
16:35<oldlaptop>Oh yeah
16:35<freelinux>nothing responds
16:35<ompaul>it generally isn't a thing you want
16:35<freelinux>help please ;_;
16:35<ncl>ompaul: wasn't that chkrootkit
16:35<sney>debsums is pretty useful if you think your system might be compromised but this is a pretty rare situation for a home machine
16:35<oldlaptop>that was funny, a security tool with a security bug
16:35<sney>freelinux: what led up to this
16:35<ompaul>ncl: ... was it I could be corrected
16:35<user__>oldlaptop should i just use rkhunter and chkrootkit ?
16:35<ompaul>no
16:35<oldlaptop>user__: You don't need to use anything
16:35<freelinux>sney: i just installed debian
16:35<oldlaptop>just don't give jokers the root password :)
16:36<user__>oldlaptop and everyone else that helped me out thank you for all of your time and help i thank you all
16:36<oldlaptop>Generally speaking, you don't have to worry about malware on linux
16:36<ompaul>don't give it to anyone you don't trust or have reason to mistrust
16:36<sney>freelinux: what video card do you have? also, can you ctrl-alt-f1 from that screen and get a text login?
16:36<oldlaptop>The antimalware software that exists is mostly for specialized purposes
16:36<ncl>freelinux: is it after POST, after GRUB, after init...?
16:36<oldlaptop>consider the case of an email server
16:36<user__>oldlaptop i am going to reinstall everything and i am not giving anyone the root password. he had to have gotten it from my girlfriend she was the only person other than me that had it.
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16:37<oldlaptop>It's obviously helpful to scan emails traversing a mail server for viruses - not to protect the mail server, but potentially the recipients of the emails
16:37<freelinux>ncl: right when i boot after title screen for computer… e.g. TOSHIBA
16:37<sney>did you remove the install media
16:37<oldlaptop>a toshiba, sorry to hear that
16:37<freelinux>yes
16:37<freelinux>toshibas hate me
16:37<oldlaptop>You didn't refuse to install GRUB or anything like that?
16:37<freelinux>i removed the install media
16:37<freelinux>i installed grub
16:37<user__>oldlaptop and all others that helped thank you so much for all your time and help i am going to get to work on the reinstall. you all have a good day
16:38<oldlaptop>good good
16:38<oldlaptop>user__: come back anytime :)
16:38<oldlaptop>or don't even leave!
16:38<freelinux>ctrl-alt-f1 yields nothing
16:38<user__>oldlaptop lol thanks
16:38<user__>oldlaptop i think that i may have bothered everyone enough for one day lol
16:39<sney>some systems behave strangely on a soft reboot, try shutting it off completely and then starting from there.
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16:39<sney>(fwiw i've had several debian installs on toshiba laptops with no severe issues)
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16:39<oldlaptop>other than the natural issues one sees on junk laptops? :)
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16:39<freelinux>hard reboot...
16:39<freelinux>bios screen...
16:39<freelinux>annnnd blinking cursor again.
16:40<oldlaptop>planned obsolescence, physical breakage... stupid junk laptops :)
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16:40<freelinux>yeah this toshiba is definitely old
16:40<oldlaptop>freelinux: Sounds like the boot loader isn't loading, for one reason or another
16:40<freelinux>both hinges on the laptop broken
16:40<freelinux>:P
16:40<oldlaptop>d-i puts GRUB in the MBR by default, right?
16:40<freelinux>okay should i install a boot loader onto usb and try that?
16:40<oldlaptop>so it wouldn't be a problem with active partitions
16:41<oldlaptop>freelinux: you could do that
16:41<oldlaptop>might at least get you into the installed system to try and fix things
16:41<freelinux>yeah...
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16:42<freelinux>Both hinges on my laptop are completely broken and the screen is propped against a wall… I wouldn't be surprised if this was the end of Mr. Toshiba satellite..
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16:42<oldlaptop>sounds like a nice low-power server :D
16:42<oldlaptop>assuming it works
16:43<freelinux>it has 3 gigs of RAM
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16:43*oldlaptop has heard of headless laptops being used as home servers
16:43<freelinux>I like to use it for gaming mostly
16:43<freelinux>I don't really have a reason for a server
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16:45<oldlaptop>sure you do
16:45<oldlaptop>you just don't know it yet :D
16:45-!-OrangeSpyderMan [~philip@80.215.135.7] has quit []
16:45<Bungofant>think of DLNA :)
16:45-!-leo [~leo@pool-72-88-46-45.bflony.east.verizon.net] has quit []
16:45<freelinux>what?
16:45<freelinux>Really why would I use a server :l
16:45<Bungofant>use it as a music/video server
16:45*oldlaptop wouldn't be able to lurk in here slurping up useless logs 24/7 without a server
16:46<oldlaptop>http://quassel-irc.org
16:46<Bungofant>*click*
16:46<freelinux>what?
16:46<oldlaptop>I also run a mozilla sync (weave?) server for my personal use
16:47<freelinux>what does that do o_O
16:47<oldlaptop>mpd is the best thing that's happened to music since digitization
16:47<oldlaptop>freelinux: quassel is a distributed IRC client
16:47<freelinux>Mozilla sync thing
16:47<freelinux>what?
16:47<oldlaptop>the IRC client part runs on my server (a raspberrypi actually) 24/7
16:47<oldlaptop>the interface connects to it over my LAN (or ssh tunnels)
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16:48<oldlaptop>Mozilla sync is a thing in firefox/seamonkey which synchronizes some settings between different machines
16:48<freelinux>is there a way boot without a bootloader?
16:48<oldlaptop>very convenient
16:48<oldlaptop>freelinux: that's like asking if there's a way to run without legs
16:48<freelinux> you can kinda of flail around with your arms?
16:48<freelinux>c:
16:49<oldlaptop>now, the bootloader doesn't have to be on the same device you're going to boot from, necessarily
16:49<oldlaptop>you can have super high-tech network-booting prosthetic legs
16:49<oldlaptop>but in the end you need legs :)
16:49<Bungofant>the quassel-client is QT-based? mmh...
16:49<freelinux>whatever. I give up.
16:49<SamB>oldlaptop: you mean, you could be booting from a chain of devices
16:49<freelinux>This computer is dead.
16:49-!-ghostly [~g@178.180.76.60.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:49<oldlaptop>Bungofant: There's an irssi plugin, I believe
16:49<freelinux>now i have no computer. Oh joy.
16:50<oldlaptop>and Qt is fantastic anyway! ;)
16:50-!-lufeper [~lufeper@248.pool85-54-235.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #debian
16:50*SamB hugs Qt's CDE/Motif theme
16:50<oldlaptop>freelinux: go buy a good laptop? ;)
16:50<freelinux>I have no money :P
16:50<lufeper>hola
16:50<oldlaptop>always a problem
16:50<oldlaptop>hello
16:50-!-krofek [~krofek@BSN-182-61-176.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #debian
16:50<freelinux>Wait. Google shall help me!
16:51<freelinux>*googles "free money"
16:51<Bungofant>sudo apt-get install quassel => Need to get 14.8 MB of archives
16:51<oldlaptop>maybe you should work harder on salvaging the computer you have, if you have no money
16:51<oldlaptop>Bungofant: that's the monolithic client
16:51<oldlaptop>core + client in one binary
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16:52<oldlaptop>what you really want is quassel-core on a server somewhere and quassel-client (or quassel-client-kde4) on your workstations/laptops/whatever
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16:53<BungofantQuassel>looks ugly. ^^
16:54<oldlaptop>that's what qtconfig is for! :)
16:54<freelinux>i dont want quassel
16:54<freelinux>what even is quassel
16:54<freelinux>!quassel
16:54<oldlaptop>http://quassel-irc.org
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16:55<freelinux>i have nobody to talk to
16:55<freelinux>why would i want that
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16:56<freelinux>well i guess i could set up a python script to send a message to my arduino over serial when it sees a certain message
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16:56<jmcnaught>i have an old laptop with a broken screen as a home server of sorts. It runs "apt-cacher-ng" for the local network, it runs irssi in a screen session, it runs a personal MoinMoin wiki.. all in separate VMs with a little room to spare for experimentation. Old laptops make excellent home servers
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16:57<freelinux>fml. There goes my computer.
16:57<freelinux>I can't even boot it
16:57<oldlaptop>jmcnaught: I have a raspberrypi and the P3 in my basement
16:57<freelinux>much less make it into a server
16:58<oldlaptop>freelinux: It doesn't boot from CD or USB or anything?
16:58<oldlaptop>this is still probably a software problem
16:58<freelinux>unetbootin is being weird now
16:59<freelinux>maybe i can reinstall debian
16:59<zykotick9>freelinux: unetbootin and debian OFTEN don't mix...
16:59<freelinux>I was using unetbootin for GRUB though.
17:00<oldlaptop>uh
17:00<oldlaptop>No unetbootin
17:00<oldlaptop>evil evil
17:00<oldlaptop>keep it away from meeeeeeeee
17:00*zykotick9 notes, unetbootin doesn't use grub...
17:00<freelinux>okay.
17:00<freelinux>not really what happened
17:00<freelinux>But whatever
17:00<freelinux>I'll try w/o unetbootin
17:02<freelinux>how do you mount an ISO on a flash drive ._.
17:03<blast007>!tell freelinux about usb install
17:04<freelinux> you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is supported.
17:04<freelinux> you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is supported.
17:04<freelinux>oops.
17:04<freelinux>But i dont have that
17:04<oldlaptop>darn
17:05<oldlaptop>I think there's something called rawrite on windows
17:05<freelinux>Mac.
17:05<oldlaptop>Oh
17:05<oldlaptop>fine then
17:05*oldlaptop doesn't remember if Mac has /dev now...
17:05<oldlaptop>it should
17:05<freelinux>does.
17:06<oldlaptop>it certainly has dd, it's POSIX compliant!
17:06<oldlaptop>You should be able to follow those instructions on mac I guess
17:06<oldlaptop>make darn sure you overwrite the flash drive and not something else
17:07<ompaul>cat foo.iso > /dev/sdwhatever
17:07<oldlaptop>or dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/bar bs=4M
17:07<oldlaptop>bs doesn't matter, just makes it go faster (IIRC)
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17:08<ompaul>I think I win for less characters ;-)
17:08<freelinux>can i just copy the contents of the iso to the USB?
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17:08<Bungofant>http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
17:08<freelinux>how about drago and drop...
17:09<freelinux>drag*
17:10<petn-randall>freelinux: No, because that won't copy the boot loader.
17:11<freelinux>well crap
17:11<freelinux>im just gonna unetboot it..
17:11<freelinux>maybe I'll use ubuntu even though it's a bloated resource hogger
17:11<freelinux>I cannot seem to get debian working.
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17:12<Bungofant>you can do it the same way as described in the ubuntu tutorial. just use a debian ISO instead of ubuntu.
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17:12<ompaul>!unetbootin
17:12<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
17:12<oldlaptop>unetbootin does not work with Debian's hybrid ISOs
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17:12<oldlaptop>don't use Ubuntu! D:
17:13<oldlaptop>we don't want to see it hurt you
17:13<freelinux>i know
17:13<freelinux>ew, ubuntu
17:13<oldlaptop>it's mean and nasty and it glows in the dark!
17:13<freelinux>okay.
17:13<freelinux>Yeah it is...
17:13<freelinux>Oh my...
17:13<freelinux>970 megabyte iso
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17:13<freelinux>i changed my mind o_O
17:13<FakeBoost>Hello, I want to set a static ip to open a port.How do i do that?
17:13<freelinux>ABORT
17:14<freelinux>ABORT!!!
17:14<oldlaptop>FakeBoost: open a port?
17:14<FakeBoost>Yes.
17:14<oldlaptop>Are you trying to forward a port through a NAT firewall/router then?
17:14<FakeBoost>yes
17:14<oldlaptop>righty. You first need to find out what your router's dynamic IP range is
17:14<FakeBoost>I know it's not strictly debian, but maybe someone can help me
17:14<oldlaptop>that is, the range of IPs it reserves for dynamic use
17:15<FakeBoost>aha
17:15<oldlaptop>(it's done on Debian in a debian specific way anyhow :))
17:15<FakeBoost>ok
17:15<oldlaptop>Obviously there can be problems if you assign your computer an IP and the router comes along and assigns the same IP to something else
17:15<freelinux>OH GOD.
17:15<freelinux>NOOOOO.
17:16<oldlaptop>did ubuntu bite you?
17:16<freelinux>"The alias 'dev' can't be opened because the original item can't be found."
17:16*oldlaptop doesn't speak Mac
17:16<freelinux>where did my /dev/ go ;_;
17:17<oldlaptop>ls /
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17:18<freelinux>okay.
17:18<freelinux>thanks.
17:18<freelinux>which one of these is my flash drive o_O
17:19<LtL>freelinux: hint.. you can fit many words on one line!
17:19*oldlaptop wonders if mac has fdisk
17:19<oldlaptop>I always use fdisk -l under linux
17:19<LtL>freelinux: the one that wasn't there before you plugged it in. try looking at dmesg for hints
17:19<freelinux>*types fdisk* yup/
17:20<oldlaptop>BSD fdisk is different though
17:20<Bungofant>and it smells...
17:20<Bungofant>omg... i just love xfce...
17:20<Bungofant>yawn
17:20<freelinux>um.
17:21<freelinux>What is dmesg showing me here
17:21<oldlaptop>fdisk 'disk' on openbsd, apparently
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17:21<oldlaptop>would help to tell the flashdrive from the system drive at least
17:21<oldlaptop>freelinux: we have no idea, we can't see it
17:21<freelinux>whats that one website? pastebin?
17:22<LtL>paste.debian.net
17:22<freelinux>ah
17:22<freelinux>those are the droids im looking for.
17:22<oldlaptop>Pastebin is another one
17:22<freelinux>http://paste.debian.net/104028/
17:22<oldlaptop>but it's evil
17:23<freelinux>!pastebin
17:23<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
17:23<oldlaptop>it's mac-ese to me
17:23<freelinux>hm
17:23<freelinux>okay
17:23<freelinux>um
17:23<oldlaptop>Maybe it means media is not present on disk1s1
17:23<freelinux>NO REALLY :p
17:24<freelinux>lol, okay.
17:24<oldlaptop>I say read the fdisk manpage, try and find out how you view the partition table on something
17:24<oldlaptop>should be easy to tell the flash drive apart from other things that way
17:25<freelinux>hmmm
17:26<freelinux>*facepalm*
17:26<freelinux>checked disk util. Disk identifier is disk1
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17:27<freelinux>and when i do ls /dev/, sure enough
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17:27<freelinux>there is disk1.
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17:29<freelinux>wait what? when i do /dev/disk1 it says permission denied.. When I do sudo /dev/disk1 it says command not found ._.
17:29<oldlaptop>oh right
17:29*oldlaptop wonders how you get root on a mac
17:30<freelinux>Oh for god's sake
17:30<LtL>jmcnaught: I like it, well done
17:30<LtL>oops ignore that please
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17:31<oldlaptop>freelinux: go find a Mac channel?
17:31<freelinux>i got this!
17:31<oldlaptop>there's gotta be something out there...
17:31<freelinux>:P
17:31<oldlaptop>we're Debian experts, not demented BSD experts
17:32<oldlaptop>but let me search that for you: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1528
17:32<freelinux>lol.
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17:32<oldlaptop>apparently you're really not supposed to use traditional root on OSX
17:32<oldlaptop>Maybe follow that ubuntu tutorial
17:33<jmcnaught>i think that ubuntu link also says to use sudo
17:33<oldlaptop>(just use a Debian ISO instead of an ubuntu one)
17:33<oldlaptop>Darn
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17:35<Bungofant>:)
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17:37<freelinux>HA! ROOT LOGIN SUCCESSFUL!
17:37<freelinux>e_o
17:37<freelinux>WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN PERMISSION DENIED I AM ROOT
17:37<freelinux>I AM LEETTT!!!!
17:37<oldlaptop>can you change the permissions?
17:37<oldlaptop>stupid mac
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17:37<freelinux>right?!?
17:38<oldlaptop>I only know linux and non-demented BSD
17:38<freelinux>okay. fine
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17:38<oldlaptop>no clue what in hell is wrong with OSX,
17:38<freelinux>ubuntu tutorial.
17:38<oldlaptop>Yeah
17:38<ompaul>oldlaptop: lots of things
17:39<oldlaptop>Well, I know that!
17:39<ompaul>;-)
17:39<oldlaptop>(it's still better than windows)
17:39<freelinux>What are we at now? Plan z3 subsection 48?
17:39<oldlaptop>where OSX is demented windows is somewhere between braindead and criminally insane
17:39<freelinux>i know
17:39<freelinux>why isnt everything just linux
17:40-!-f10 [~f10@2a02:8109:8c00:3a0:224:d7ff:fed4:8f7c] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:40*zykotick9 sees little difference between apple and microsoft, he wouldn't touch either with a 30 foot pole
17:40<oldlaptop>that would be a boring world freelinux
17:40<ncl>because when your OS allows you to tweak as you please, users end up breaking it, blaming the OS for their own nonsense
17:40<oldlaptop>sure, OSX is demented and Windows is evil
17:41<oldlaptop>that still leaves allll the others
17:41*oldlaptop likes openbsd a lot as a router on the basement P3, so far
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17:42<oldlaptop>I'd still be messing with netbsd on my main laptop, but quasselclient is broken on netbsd
17:42<oldlaptop>apparently, anyhow
17:42-!-ItSANgo [~itsango@zaq3d2ec1b9.zaq.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...]
17:43<oldlaptop>And Debian runs on more kernels than just linux!
17:44<ncl>(Doesn't mean it runs them well)
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17:45<phillipsjk>I thought the FreeBSD kernel is no longer officially supported.
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17:45<freelinux>PROGRESS! I CONVERTED THE ISO INTO AN IMG!
17:45<ompaul>fail]
17:45<oldlaptop>phillipsjk: news to me
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17:46<ompaul>phillipsjk: by whom?
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17:46<ompaul>sources, where's your sources
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17:49<phillipsjk>looks like I was wrong: https://www.debian.org/ports/index.en.html
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17:51<freelinux>i kind of miss arch
17:51<freelinux>well
17:51<freelinux>some parts of arch
17:51<freelinux>I miss pacman
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17:52<phillipsjk>"This is a release in progress. It has been released with Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) as a technology preview and the first non-Linux port." https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
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17:55<freelinux>well my computer is dead
17:55<Bungofant>*playing around with EncFS*
17:55<freelinux>it wontstart from cd or from usb
17:55<freelinux>FML.
17:55<freelinux>OH
17:55<freelinux>OH MY GOD
17:55<freelinux>:D
17:55<freelinux>I STOPPED PAYING ATTENTION
17:55<freelinux>AND IT WORKED
17:56<phillipsjk>Kids these days, spoiled by high-speed internet :P
17:56<phillipsjk>When I was a kid, we walked to the library to do research!
17:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 694] by debhelper
17:57<freelinux>what is walking
17:57<freelinux>:o
17:57<phillipsjk>I LARP.
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17:57<phillipsjk>*A LARP
17:57*freelinux is testing if /me works in IRC c:
17:58<freelinux>okay.
18:01<phillipsjk>I could search the catalog from home (using telnet)
18:01<freelinux>I taught dpkg what skynet is. Is that bad?
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18:03<Bungofant>well... /me works in IRC because it has been invented for IRC. :->
18:04<freelinux>!skynet
18:04<dpkg>skynet is, like, a thing with robots. And they are self aware.
18:04<freelinux>HE LEARNS QUICKLY
18:04<Bungofant>!encfs
18:04<dpkg>EncFS is a <FUSE>-based cryptographic filesystem. http://www.arg0.net/encfs
18:04<Bungofant>*surf*
18:04<oldlaptop>phillipsjk: It's an official release arch as of wheezy
18:04<oldlaptop>IIRC
18:05<oldlaptop>or rather two
18:05<oldlaptop>kfreebsd-i386 and kfreebsd-amd64
18:06<freelinux>what even is dpkg?
18:06<oldlaptop>a bot
18:06<oldlaptop>drops factoids on command
18:07<oldlaptop>but it doesn't pick them back up
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18:22<Bungofant>yawn
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18:35<genius>hello
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18:36<genius>i have an elitebook with i7 processor and amd firepro 1GB Graphic card, fresh install and latest driver, but still lagging in gnome shell, i don't know the cause, any idea ?
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18:42<Bungofant>gnome shell doesn't run on an i7? didn't know the situation is THAT serious...
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18:44<charles>i am wondering if there is a way to have the desktop only one image i just tried choosing one image as a desktop in Apperance but it keeps changing it.... please help me
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18:44<jmcnaught>genius: are you using the default radeon driver (the free one) or the fglrx driver?
18:45<charles>? um idk i just simply installed the OS on my acer V5 ultrabook so all i know is im using Pinguy OS
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18:47<charles>so if i just installed it and really did nothing big on it i am sure that i am using all the generic drivers that came installed
18:47<jmcnaught>charles: Pinguy isn't Debian. There's probably a Pinguy channel out there some where, but only Debian is supported here :)
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18:47<charles>oic oops lol sorry
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19:41<RC4-GaryOakPhD>Hey, I've been having this problem since the 5th.
19:42<RC4-GaryOakPhD>My system is basically broken
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19:42<RC4-GaryOakPhD>Could you please take a look at
19:42<RC4-GaryOakPhD>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=114971
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19:46<SynrG>that's a *hell* of a lot of reading
19:47<SynrG>did this system, at any point in the past, have any packages mixed in from either a third-party source or a different release (i.e. not stable)?
19:49<SynrG>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=114971#p542906
19:49<RC4-GaryOakPhD>No, I don't think so
19:49<SynrG>all of the errors shown in this post are very fishy
19:49<RC4-GaryOakPhD>I mean maybe it didd
19:49<RC4-GaryOakPhD>did*
19:49<RC4-GaryOakPhD>Probably
19:49<SynrG>dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'gcc-4.4-base:i386' missing; assuming package has no files currently installed
19:49<dpkg>synrg: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
19:49<RC4-GaryOakPhD>I bet I messed it up
19:50<RC4-GaryOakPhD>Maybe when I tried to upgrade from debian 6 to 7 it got mixed
19:50<RC4-GaryOakPhD>or something
19:50<RC4-GaryOakPhD>(?)
19:51<SynrG>no. that shouldn't have caused this
19:51<RC4-GaryOakPhD>I don't remember doing so
19:51<RC4-GaryOakPhD>Possibly
19:52<SynrG>did you at any point remove some files that are owned by packages?
19:52<RC4-GaryOakPhD>No
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19:53<SynrG>did you at any point restore files from a backup?
19:53<RC4-GaryOakPhD>No
19:53<RC4-GaryOakPhD>I probably mixed with repos or something.
19:54<SamB>did you have any filesystem corruption?
19:54<SynrG>ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc-4.4-base.list
19:54<RC4-GaryOakPhD>no such file or directory
19:54<SamB>oh: why did dpkg say that thing earlier?
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19:55<SynrG>ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc-4.4-base\:i386.list
19:55<RC4-GaryOakPhD>root@magic:~# ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc-4.4-base\:i386.list
19:55<RC4-GaryOakPhD>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 388 May 30 19:29 /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc-4.4-base:i386.list
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19:56<SynrG>ok. that one just happens to support multiarch
19:57<SynrG>however, yeah ... if that's there, why would the audit say that?
19:57<SynrG>mysteriouser and mysteriouser
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19:57<SynrG>er, that wasn't the audit
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19:58<SynrG>that was aptitude's failed attempt at removing db4.8-util that choked on the mysql stuff
19:58<SynrG>RC4-GaryOakPhD: dpkg -L gcc-4.4-base
19:59<RC4-GaryOakPhD>k
19:59<RC4-GaryOakPhD>SynrG: http://pastebin.com/X3tHAmSc
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20:00<SynrG>that seems reasonable
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20:00<SynrG>until you manually resolve mysql's issues, you won't be able to get further.
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20:01<RC4-GaryOakPhD>I got rid of mysql
20:02<RC4-GaryOakPhD>I just did remove --purge mysql-server-5.5 and I'm pretty sure it worked
20:02<SynrG>,v python2.7
20:02<judd>Package: python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-6+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.7.3-6+deb7u2; jessie: 2.7.7~rc1-1; sid: 2.7.7-2
20:03<SynrG>just 'apt-get -f install python2.7', please
20:04<SynrG>ah
20:04<SynrG>#709064 ... reading
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20:04<RC4-GaryOakPhD>http://paste.debian.net/104040/
20:05<RC4-GaryOakPhD>apt-get -f install python2.7 ^^ SynrG
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20:08<SynrG>and when you add --reinstall to that i suppose it doesn't help?
20:08<SynrG>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk/Canvas.py'
20:08<SynrG>^^ that file is in python2.7. yet dpkg claims python2.7 is installed ... (just not configured)
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20:09<RC4-GaryOakPhD>if i do install --reinstall i get no file name for python2.7:i386
20:09<SynrG>so, ls -l /usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk/Canvas.py
20:09<RC4-GaryOakPhD>no such file or directory
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20:10<SynrG>that's ... whacked
20:10<RC4-GaryOakPhD>wtf did I do
20:11<SynrG>well, did you read https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=709064 ?
20:11<SynrG>could that describe your situation?
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20:13<SynrG>in particular, read: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=709064#10
20:13<RC4-GaryOakPhD>So
20:13<SynrG>and the immediately following response
20:13<RC4-GaryOakPhD>Should I remove /var/lib/dpkg/info/format?
20:13<SynrG>no!
20:13<RC4-GaryOakPhD>thought not
20:13<RC4-GaryOakPhD>for the record, it does say "1" inside of it
20:13<SynrG>yes, that's the point
20:14<RC4-GaryOakPhD>right
20:14<SynrG>if that file were created by "something else" (not dpkg ...)
20:14<SynrG>via these "application overlays", for example
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20:14<SynrG>that would totally hose dpkg's database.
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20:14<RC4-GaryOakPhD>so
20:14<RC4-GaryOakPhD>how do I un-hose it?
20:14<SynrG>it would claim to be ready for the multiarch stuff when it wasn't
20:14<RC4-GaryOakPhD>right
20:15<SynrG>not sure. seems like every single one of the packages in the f**kup would need to be reinstalled
20:15<SynrG>and might need to be forced to make it happen
20:16<RC4-GaryOakPhD>how should I go about doing this?
20:16<SynrG>also, use of dpkg's --force-* options can be dangerous, so, is not something i really want to walk you through ...
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20:17<SynrG>and even if we got through it, we wouldn't have the confidence anymore that this system is in a sane state
20:17<SynrG>only that it *seemed* to be when we were done
20:17<SynrG>if it were me, i'd do a clean reinstall to restore the system to a trustable state
20:17<RC4-GaryOakPhD>SynrG: the problem is
20:17<RC4-GaryOakPhD>it's a VPS
20:18<RC4-GaryOakPhD>I guess I'll have to get a backup and then have my host wipe it
20:19<SynrG>did https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=709064#15 sound like something that might've been done on this VPS?
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20:20<Bud-Wiser>hey salut!
20:20<SynrG>it's important not to repeat the mistake that led to the system getting screwed up in the first place.
20:21<SynrG>RC4-GaryOakPhD: so do whatever you can to try to discover how it happened so you learn from it and avoid it
20:21<Bud-Wiser>ya-t-il quequn!?
20:21<RC4-GaryOakPhD>I bet I probably just messed around with the wrong thing
20:21<SynrG>yes, but *which* wrong thing is very germane :)
20:21<RC4-GaryOakPhD>I think I mixed different versions awhile ago by accident
20:22<SynrG>!fr
20:22<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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20:24<SynrG>RC4-GaryOakPhD: yeah, that would definitely screwed it. start with a fresh install and don't do that.
20:24<SynrG>screw*
20:25<SynrG>good luck
20:25<SynrG>and i'm out. bedtime
20:27<RC4-GaryOakPhD>cya
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20:37<freelinux>Hey guys...
20:37<freelinux>i have something of an insane challenge.
20:37<freelinux>I don't even know how to word it right.
20:37<petn-randall>freelinux: Is it a Debian support question?
20:37<freelinux>oldlaptop: you still there?
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20:38<freelinux>Kiiiind of.
20:38<oldlaptop>Yes
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20:38<freelinux>Okay. Say I install debian onto a 800mb cd that I found then use it as a livecd then while I'm in debian live i install windows from a usb to a different partition?
20:38<freelinux>Possible?
20:39<sney>not really?
20:39<oldlaptop>how in hell are you going to install windows from a minimal debian system?
20:39<stripe>maybe with a VM
20:39<freelinux>No clue.
20:39<freelinux>asking for help.
20:40<sney>but you could boot a debian livecd, repartition your disk, then boot the windows installer and install to one partition and then install debian to the other
20:40<stripe>but why?
20:40<sney>it's better to install debian second since windows likes to overwrite the bootloade
20:40<freelinux>Well I cant...
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20:40<freelinux>Cuz I can't install from usb on my somputer
20:40<freelinux>and my cd is too small for windows
20:40<oldlaptop>I thought windows came on optical disks
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20:40<freelinux>I have an iso.
20:41<sney>oldlaptop: it's not uncommon to have a license with no disk, especially oem
20:41<freelinux>yeah.
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20:41<sney>I think I've seen a small bootable utility somewhere that can chainload usb booting on systems that don't support it. I don't remember where or what it was called, but that would be something to look for
20:42<stripe>or burn the iso to disk
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20:43<oldlaptop>freelinux: Just get a writable DVD somewhere
20:43<oldlaptop>or don't use windows
20:43<oldlaptop>or use it in a VM
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20:44<freelinux>oh hey
20:44<oldlaptop>what kind of hardware are we talking about?
20:44<freelinux>toshiba
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20:44<oldlaptop>what kind of hardware are we talking about?
20:44<freelinux>bad.
20:44<oldlaptop>I don't care about the sticker on the lid, I care about the guts
20:44<stripe>got to be old if it wont boot from usb
20:44<oldlaptop>CPU in particular
20:44<freelinux>its not
20:44<oldlaptop>true
20:44<freelinux>it broke
20:44<freelinux>somewhere.
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20:44<freelinux>the bios broke.
20:44<oldlaptop>...?
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20:45<oldlaptop>well.
20:45<freelinux>now it doesnt quite work
20:45<oldlaptop>you should try and reflash it then
20:45<freelinux>i think the ubuntu forums gave me the answer actually
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20:45<freelinux>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB
20:45<oldlaptop>see Toshiba's support site, probably
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20:45<freelinux>what is reflashing?
20:46<oldlaptop>update the BIOS
20:46<oldlaptop>or re-install the same version
20:46<freelinux>how to?
20:46<oldlaptop>see Toshiba's support site, probably
20:47<stripe>could try flashing it with a jumper?
20:47<stripe>but again toshiba support site
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20:47<freelinux>looking up now...
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21:08<freelinux>wow! Never done that before!
21:08<freelinux>I had to rip open my computer and cause an intention CMOS battery failure, basically reverting the comp the factory settings
21:09<freelinux>That was cool :3
21:09<sney>welcome to the IT industry, circa 1996 or so
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21:23<oldlaptop>freelinux: dontcha love Toshiba?
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21:26<freelinux>well i flashed the bios and it's still unable to boot from flashdrive
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21:26<freelinux>guess its cd...
21:26<freelinux>hmmm
21:26<oldlaptop>oh well
21:26<freelinux>I think I'm gonna get Elive
21:27<oldlaptop>Elive?
21:27<oldlaptop>You still never said what kind of CPU this is
21:27<oldlaptop>this might be the kind of machine which would support a windows VM well
21:27<freelinux>I don't know tbh
21:28<freelinux>look up the specs. Toshiba satellite LD55D
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21:46<_spOOn__>hey guys, looking for some help with getting brcmfmac firmware working in debian sid
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21:47<_spOOn__>have followed the (little amount of) instructions located at http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/brcm80211#Broadcom_brcmfmac_driver
21:47<_spOOn__>can see the module loaded, but no interface as yet
21:47<_spOOn__>anyone able to suggest some places to look?
21:48<_spOOn__>oops, wireless card is usb
21:48<_spOOn__>BCM43236
21:49<mongrol_>for sid questions see #debian-next
21:50<_spOOn__>kk
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22:01<ReimuHakurei>I get the feeling that the kernel modules for parallel-port IDE devices don't get very much testing...
22:02<sney>that is probably true
22:02<sney>I don't think I've seen one of those in the wild ever
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22:02<ReimuHakurei>I aquired a parallel-port Syquest EZ 135 drive that i'm playing around with, and surprisingly, it works great!
22:02<ReimuHakurei>With one small issue...
22:02<sney>is it terribly slow?
22:02<ReimuHakurei>The entire system crashes shortly after loading all the kernel modules.
22:02<sney>ah.
22:03<ReimuHakurei>trying to dd all these cartridges i got with it, and it usually crashes the whole system before 30MB is transferred of of one.
22:03<ReimuHakurei>(relavant modules: paride, epat, and pd)
22:03<sney>it's probably conflicting with some other module and was never noticed as doing so, for the reason you initially asked
22:04<ReimuHakurei>Might be an issue with the computer itself, possibly though - Just aquired this old (~2007) box a few days ago, and I had some issues getting Debian even installed to the thing (Installer kept freezing)
22:04<ReimuHakurei>only managed to get it running by installing in a virtual machine then swapping the disk
22:05<sney>yeah that shouldn't happen on a machine as recent as 07 unless there's some hardware fault
22:05<sney>is it a laptop by chance
22:06<ReimuHakurei>nope
22:06<ReimuHakurei>looks like a custom-built desktop
22:06<ReimuHakurei>the copy of XP it had on it worked perfectly fine (I was stuck using it for most of a day) so i'm reluctant to blame the hardware though
22:07<sney>XP is relatively low impact
22:07<ReimuHakurei>MSi K9VGM-V motherboard, tried several different varities of RAM, and it passes memtests, HDD is one of mine that is known-good
22:07<sney>bios current?
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22:08<ReimuHakurei>not yet, need to dig out a DOS floppy to do that, will do momentarily
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22:13<oldlaptop>[21:27:50] <freelinux> I don't know tbh
22:13<oldlaptop>[21:28:31] <freelinux> look up the specs. Toshiba satellite LD55D
22:13<oldlaptop>it's your junkware, you have google
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22:15<ReimuHakurei>and for what it's worth, there is no LD55D
22:15<ReimuHakurei>there's an L655D, though - typo?
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22:21<ReimuHakurei>floppy prepared, BIOS update time.
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22:31<sleser>is there a mame pakage for debian ?
22:31<ReimuHakurei>sleser, which version? stable?
22:32<ReimuHakurei>looks like it was introduced in 7.x
22:32<sleser>yes
22:32<ReimuHakurei>it's under non-free
22:32<ReimuHakurei>be sure you have non-free added in your sources.list
22:32<ReimuHakurei>then apt-get install mame
22:32<sleser>i have that installed but it wont open
22:32<ReimuHakurei>https://wiki.debian.org/Mame
22:32<sleser>i falowed the path . and i cant see a mame.ini file
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22:33<sleser>i see . t hanks dude its helpful
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22:33<ReimuHakurei>are you trying to use it like the GUI version? It would appear to be that the Debian MAME package does not include a GUI (I may be wrong here)
22:33<ReimuHakurei>so you probably need to launch it via the command-line
22:34<sleser>the gui wants to open but then there error comes . for the ini file
22:34<sleser>to configure something there. inside
22:34<ReimuHakurei>oh
22:34<ReimuHakurei>what exactly does the error message say?
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22:35<sleser>please spesifie the rom path on . something ini i forgot now
22:35<sleser>sins i have to remember the all thing to type it out .
22:35<sleser>mame.ini file
22:36<ReimuHakurei>do ls -a in your homedir
22:37<ReimuHakurei>.mame maybe?
22:37<sleser>mame is t here
22:38<sleser>its just t hat the file isnt t here the mame.ini
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22:38<ReimuHakurei>hm
22:38<sleser>default.cfg ___empty.cfg
22:38<sleser>thouse only 2 things in there
22:38<ReimuHakurei>i don't have any Debian machines with a GUI installed right now, or i'd test it myself
22:38<ReimuHakurei>oh, try uh
22:38<ReimuHakurei>make a copy of default.cfg
22:39<ReimuHakurei>named mame.ini or whatever it says
22:39<ReimuHakurei>that might work.
22:40<sleser>i think i need some games in it 1st
22:40<sleser>and i think it auto finds it .
22:40<sleser>b4 it will load
22:41<sleser>otherwise like the window virsion . it loads up without games inside . or with games both ways .
22:41<sleser>so ill try pute some games in there 1st
22:41<ReimuHakurei>mmk
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22:48<sleser>is ther ean app that auto mounts a external hd without me doing the all fstab editing
22:48<sleser>ntfs drive
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22:51<ncl>!automount
22:51<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <kde automount>, <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usbmount>, <pmount> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
22:53<sleser>!kde automount
22:53<dpkg>To automatically mount removable media like optical disks and USB keys under KDE, ensure that your users are in the plugdev group ("adduser YOURUSERNAME plugdev"). You will have to log out and back in again after changing group membership. Add a "Device Notifier" plasmoid to your desktop to get a pop-up notification on device insertion, or mount them through dolphin or the "Computer" entry on the K menu.
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22:54<sleser>do i have plugdev instaled ?
22:54<freelinux>successful install of debian on my ded computer!
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22:55<sleser>im already a plugdev member. wut it will still not let me in to the ntfs3g
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22:56<freelinux>uh oh. What is the standard network configure-er on debian?
22:56<oldlaptop>Depends on what you're trying to do
22:56<ReimuHakurei>freelinux, wifi or ethernet?
22:56<freelinux>Wi-fi.
22:56<freelinux>actually
22:56<freelinux>ethernet
22:56<oldlaptop>is it just going to sit in one place on the same network all the time, or will it move around?
22:56<ReimuHakurei>ethernet should be automatic
22:57<freelinux>hmmm
22:57<oldlaptop>^this
22:57<ReimuHakurei>the installer should've configured it for you
22:57<freelinux>i tried aptitude install gnome but it didnt work :L
22:57<ReimuHakurei>if not, you just need to set eth0 to auto dhcp
22:57<freelinux>wait a sec...
22:57<ReimuHakurei>allow-hotplug eth0
22:57<ReimuHakurei>iface eth0 inet dhcp
22:57<ReimuHakurei>^ do that in /etc/network/interfaces
22:57<ReimuHakurei>then ifdown eth0, ifup eth0
22:57<freelinux>oop
22:57<freelinux>my bad
22:58<oldlaptop>Wi-Fi can be done in there too
22:58<freelinux>tested with ping
22:58<freelinux>it works fine
22:58<oldlaptop>a little more complicated but it will work
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22:58<freelinux>ping -c 3 google.com
22:58<freelinux>send all 3 recieved all 3
22:58<oldlaptop>I can show you snippets from my raspi's /etc/network/interfaces
22:58<freelinux>it's fine
22:58<freelinux>my internet is good
22:58<oldlaptop>freelinux: So maybe APT sources aren't configured
22:58<freelinux>whats the package name for gnome?
22:58<freelinux>just gnome?
22:58<oldlaptop>dpkg: tell freelinux about wheezy sources.list
22:58<ReimuHakurei>freelinux, http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
22:59<ReimuHakurei>if you need a sources.list generator
22:59<ReimuHakurei>check that all your sources are there
22:59<somiaj>oldlaptop: are you running raspbian on that raspi?
22:59<oldlaptop>yes
22:59<somiaj>then you are asking for support in the wrong place, (:
22:59<oldlaptop>I'm not asking for support, I'm offering it
22:59<ReimuHakurei>i'm a bad user, I don't usually run Debian on any actual computers, just my VPSes <_>
22:59<freelinux>^
22:59<somiaj>ahh sorry missed that
22:59<oldlaptop>ifupdown on raspbian is totally unchanged, AFAIK
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23:00<freelinux>is the pkg name for gnome just "gnome"?
23:00-!-sleser [~sleser@ool-457064b7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
23:00<oldlaptop>as a matter of fact raspbian is for the most part just recompiled, apart from some tomfoolery with the kernel and bootloader
23:00<oldlaptop>(AIUI)
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23:01<freelinux>So how do I update my source list?
23:01<oldlaptop>freelinux: maybe so, the package 'task-kde-desktop' will get you a much better desktop though! </troll>
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23:01<oldlaptop>dpkg already told you
23:01<dpkg>oldlaptop: I don't know, could you explain it?
23:01<ReimuHakurei>freelinux, nano /etc/apt/sources.list
23:02<ReimuHakurei>then just delete everything already in it, replace with what you generated at http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
23:02<freelinux>oh, okay :P
23:02<oldlaptop>(task-gnome-desktop appears to be the way to install the clearly inferior GNOME "desktop")
23:02<ReimuHakurei>then apt-get update
23:02<stripe>freelinux that was explained to you yesterday
23:02<oldlaptop>maybe I shouldn't have closed the <troll> too soon
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23:02<freelinux>hmmm
23:02<freelinux>xkfce or gnome?
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23:03<oldlaptop>xfce (but kde is still better!)
23:03<freelinux>lol
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23:03*oldlaptop could actually take or leave plasma-desktop
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23:03<oldlaptop>absolutely dependent on krunner and yakuake though :|
23:04<ReimuHakurei>KDE is nice, but Xfce is hands-down the best for older hardware
23:04<freelinux>okay, what is the package name for xfce?
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23:05<ReimuHakurei>freelinux, iirc it's xfce4-desktop
23:05<ReimuHakurei>may be wrong though
23:05<ReimuHakurei>that's from memory
23:06<freelinux>not found
23:06<ReimuHakurei>try xfce-desktop
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23:06<stripe>freelinux, https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce
23:07<freelinux>ah
23:07<freelinux>just xfce4
23:07<jmcnaught>instead of guessing package names we should be using tools like "apt-get search" or https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages (and reading descriptions before installing)
23:07<freelinux>Okay. It has a search command.
23:07<freelinux>I'm so used to pacman ^_^'
23:07<jmcnaught>sorry i meant apt-cache search
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23:07<ReimuHakurei>heh
23:08<freelinux>so when i install xfce do i need to do startx?
23:08<freelinux>or will it autostart?
23:08<ReimuHakurei>freelinux, you'd need a display manager for that iirc
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23:09<freelinux>okay. So when i want to go into xfce just type startx?
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23:09<stripe>freelinux dont know all depends how you set it up
23:09<ReimuHakurei>^
23:09<ReimuHakurei>I think xfce has its own equivilant
23:10<xwl>hi, i have a sshfs process freezed, even kill -9 can't kill it?
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23:10<stripe>xwl is the other machine powered on?
23:11<xwl>stripe: yes. i have root
23:11<stripe>on both machines?
23:12<xwl>but other machine would be a windows
23:12<xwl>what is to do with other machine?
23:13<oldlaptop>[23:04:16] <ReimuHakurei> KDE is nice, but Xfce is hands-down the best for older hardware
23:13<oldlaptop>unfortunately xfce has no krunner :(
23:13<stripe>is the other machine auto-connecting keeping the tunnel open?
23:13<ReimuHakurei>oldlaptop, what's krunner again? (It's been years since I used KDE)
23:13<oldlaptop>The limiting factor for KDE is RAM, really
23:14<ReimuHakurei>I run Windows on my desktop, so I usually only use Linux on my servers, haha
23:14<oldlaptop>krunner is KDE4's 'run command' dialog box (KDE3 had something similar implemented in kdesktop)
23:14<xwl>stripe: the sshfs i used is without any additional options.
23:14<oldlaptop>only it's way, way more than that
23:14<xwl>stripe: so i think it should not auto-reconnect
23:14<ReimuHakurei>oldlaptop, hm?
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23:15<oldlaptop>not just the application menu, but your web browser's address bar is rendered obsolete
23:15<oldlaptop>among many other things
23:15<oldlaptop>it's capable of great, great things :P
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23:16<oldlaptop>'ALT-F2 dd:foo bar' searches duckduckgo for 'foo bar'
23:16<ReimuHakurei>ah
23:16<oldlaptop>'ALT-F2 ~/some/place/you/have/stuff' opens ~/some/place/you/have/stuff in the default file manager
23:16<oldlaptop>'ALT-F2 1 + 1' tells you 2
23:16<ReimuHakurei>usually i'd just dl
23:17<stripe>xwl what was the command you use3d?
23:17<ReimuHakurei>Win+R / Alt+F2 firefox enter ctrl-k foo bar enter
23:17<stripe>used?*
23:17<ReimuHakurei>s/dl/do/
23:17<oldlaptop>'ALT-F2 50 USD' gives you 50 USD in other currencies
23:17<xwl>stripe: simply, sshfs SERVER ~/myserver
23:17<oldlaptop>this is all extensible with plugins, by the way
23:18<stripe>as root?
23:18<xwl>no, as user
23:18<oldlaptop>http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Krunner
23:18<oldlaptop>stripe: As a user in the fuse group, IIRC
23:19<xwl>i'm supprised even kill -9 can't deal with it
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23:19<oldlaptop>you do have to set some kind of elevated privileges to use FUSE stuff like sshfs (just like kvm or virtualbox)
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23:21<oldlaptop>ReimuHakurei: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Krunner
23:21<ReimuHakurei>loading...
23:22<oldlaptop>(it's not actually part of plasma-desktop, insofar as it's its own binary)
23:22<sleser>can some one chek my fstab . see why i cant go in to the external hd . http://paste.debian.net/104059/
23:22<oldlaptop>it is packaged with plasma though (so you can have it in some other DE, but you need plasma installed, at least in debian)
23:23<ReimuHakurei>niicer
23:23<ReimuHakurei>-r
23:23<oldlaptop>yakuake is another thing I can't live without now
23:23<stripe>xwl, have you unmounted the mount point?
23:23<oldlaptop>I'm always hitting F12 on Unenlightened machines and wondering where my terminal is
23:24<jmcnaught>sleser: see how some of the other lines have the word "user" in the options? read "man fstab" for more info
23:24<oldlaptop>(there is a reasonable gtk (pygtk?) alternative though, guake IIRC)
23:25<ReimuHakurei>30.5MB 0:04:01 [ 132kB/s] [==========> ] 23% ETA 0:12:50
23:25<ReimuHakurei>Let's see if this can copy the whole disk without crashing the system this time...
23:25<stripe>oldlaptop, guake here
23:26<ReimuHakurei>i like xfce4-terminal, personally
23:26<oldlaptop>not directly comparable :)
23:27<oldlaptop>https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/yakuake - package description is quick and to the point
23:27<ReimuHakurei>ohhh
23:28<oldlaptop>The amount of space it takes up when pulled down is configurable
23:28<ReimuHakurei>i had something like that ages ago on my old iMac (in OS X 10.3 IIRC)
23:28<xwl>stripe: when umounting it says device is busy..
23:29<oldlaptop>guake does the same thing in an evil GTK-ish way (stupid gtk!)
23:29<ReimuHakurei>nobody likes GTK.
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23:29<oldlaptop>nobody!
23:29<ReimuHakurei>so it looks like Syquest's "135 MB" disks
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23:30<ReimuHakurei>well, they meant "128 MiB"
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23:30<stripe>xwl are you transferring files/data?
23:30<oldlaptop>nobody likes MB/MiB confusion
23:30<oldlaptop>other than weasels
23:30<xwl>stripe: not now
23:30<oldlaptop>weasels like everything though, so you can't go by them
23:31<xwl>stripe: i guess i have to reboot it
23:31<ReimuHakurei>noooooo! the uptime! D:
23:31<xwl>-_-
23:32<ReimuHakurei>i need to re-enable PPP/TUN on my VPS, but don't want to because it'd kill my uptime
23:32<ReimuHakurei><_>
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23:33<stripe>xwl have you tried fusermount -u ...moint point?
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23:33<ReimuHakurei>he already left
23:33<ReimuHakurei>haha
23:33<stripe>sorry my bad
23:34<ReimuHakurei>80% copying this disk...
23:34<ReimuHakurei>the SECOND this finishes, i'm running 'sync'
23:34<ReimuHakurei>Hopefully it doesn't crash
23:34<ReimuHakurei><_<
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23:38<ReimuHakurei>http://puu.sh/9lkLQ.png HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
23:38<ReimuHakurei>One disk down, 5 more to go...
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