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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-06-09

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00:14<sleser>i cant seem to get this external hd working .
00:14<sleser>it works half way
00:15<sleser>its a western digital drive . when i bout it it had 2 partitions inside one tiny for the western didital files. and one big epty space in it . now on the brouser. bot show . one shows my book and another wd smartware
00:15<sleser>the wb smartware i can acces but the my book wont let me in
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00:17<sleser>how do i find out what file system . is the hd and why will it only let me go to one partition on it and not the other one
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00:25<sleser>ok i got this
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00:32<sleser>trying to umount /dev/sdc1 mount disagrees with the fstab
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02:49<phillipsjk>I looked at kern.log to confirm my network interface did not come down: the only shutdown-related entry was that logging was being stopped :P
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02:59<phillipsjk>about all I have left to try is replace the WOL cable. (that I testedn a different machine years ago -- only waking from sleep though.)
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03:16<phillipsjk>I guess I can risk modding my extra WOl cable to plug into my RTL1839 cards, but I worry it will let the magic smoke out.
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04:05<ncl>I can't load the i965 module, even though I'm pretty sure the same kernel build option enables both i915 and i965, and I have i915
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04:08<helmut_>hi
04:10<ncl>or is the kernel module i915 and the xorg modules i915 and i965
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04:34<Nikno>Why doesn't Debian implement progress bars by default?
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04:45<xiqsjvfy>Nikno: progress bars for what?
04:45<Nikno>For example copy and move
04:45<Nikno>Or unpack
04:47<xiqsjvfy>It does.
04:49<Nikno>Really? I knew of an option in ubuntu for cp -B, but it was just a patch
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04:50<CQ>is it possible to install squeeze keepass on wheezy? or what's the best way to get the latest version? 2.19 has a few anoying clipboard bugs
04:50<CQ>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=keepass&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
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04:51<CQ>err, sid keepass, not squeeze ; )
04:51<nocturnal>does anyone know if mailx(1) can send to a specific MX host instead of using DNS?
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04:56<xiqsjvfy>Nikno: I thought you meant in the GUI.
04:56<Nikno>No, sadly not
04:56<xiqsjvfy>Then the question should be directed upstream. I imagine the answer will be something along the lines of KISS.
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04:57<xiqsjvfy>There is no shortage of tools for moving files around though. Lots of them support progress bars.
04:57<xiqsjvfy>scp and rsync, to name two.
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04:59<Nikno>I use rsync on my other system, but I'm just wondering if it is that hard to add an option for a status bar in the terminal. Not that I essentially need this, it'd be a nice-to-have
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05:00<xiqsjvfy>I'm just guessing here, but I imagine developers of coreutils are unwilling to add further feature bloat.
05:01<xiqsjvfy>cp is still relatively clean, unlike most fo coreutils, and I would personally hate to see that change.
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05:01<Nikno>Well, you're right.
05:02<Nikno>Better using a custom copy program when you want more options
05:02<Nikno>I hate man pages with 1000 options^^
05:02<ncl>doesn't --progress enable a progress bar
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05:02<Nikno>"unrecognized option"
05:02<Nikno>On Wheezy
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05:13<CQ>how can I compile a sid/testing package on wheezy?
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05:15<xiqsjvfy>CQ: Why would you want to?
05:16<CQ>xiqsjvfy: keepass 2.19 has an annoying clipboard bug thats fixed in 2.26
05:16<xiqsjvfy>You can create a sid chroot and compile your package there.
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05:16<CQ>no, I want to install the package on my wheezy system
05:17<xiqsjvfy>So you don't want to compile it?
05:17<CQ>yes, but I want to compile it under wheezy
05:17<CQ>sorry, I think I misunderstood your sid chroot comment
05:18<xiqsjvfy>Why do you want to _compile_ it, specifically, rather than simply install the newer version?
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05:19<CQ>xiqsjvfy: if I can just install the testing version, fine, but can I?
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05:22<xiqsjvfy>CQ: You can, but I'm hesitant to recommend it. It's called Franken Debian, which means combining stable repos with testing or unstable.
05:22<xiqsjvfy>It's a good way to render you system FUBAR.
05:23<xiqsjvfy>Compiling in a chroot is less likely to break your system, but you wont get the benefit of having the package managed by dpkg.
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05:24<xiqsjvfy>Plus, there is no guarantee a package compiled against sid will run on wheezy.
05:26<CQ>xiqsjvfy: I want to compile it against wheezy, on wheezy. Plain and simple. Download the 2.26 source, compile on wheezy, install on wheezy. Is that really that hard?
05:27<xiqsjvfy>What you could try is downloading the sid source code (http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/keepass2/keepass2_2.26+dfsg.orig.tar.gz), installing the build depends on your wheezy system with 'apt-get build-dep keepass2', and then try to compile it in wheezy.
05:28<CQ>xiqsjvfy: thanks, that's what I was looking for.
05:28<xiqsjvfy>Might or might not work, depending on if the build depends have changed, or is incompatible with wheezy libraries.
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05:29<CQ>makes sense
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06:11<orangensaft19>Does anyone have experience with installing Debian on an EeePC? I got the 701 / 4G model, and when I try to boot the installer from USB, I end up with a white blinking underscore on a black screen..
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06:15<musca>!eeepc
06:15<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. Mailing lists: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
06:17<orangensaft19>yeah i've been through that
06:17<orangensaft19>i'll try to go through everything step by step and check every md5 hash again
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06:26<musca>orangensaft19: you really should be more verbose. Why do we need to guess what your are reading and trying?
06:27<musca>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller instructions seem to be straight forward
06:27<orangensaft19>yeah, and results were quite frustrating (as mentioned before)
06:27<orangensaft19>i might have an idea, thanks <3 :)
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06:28*musca *shruggs*
06:29<musca>-g
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06:52<__odie>hi, i'm having random occurs of this messages on boot: http://pastebin.com/b00cYuz1
06:52<__odie>i hope i catched everything related from the kernel log
06:53<__odie>i can't figure out what is causing the issue
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07:39<framic>Hello everybody, I would love to get some help with a little bash skript. I have a file with rgb-colors, and i want to xsetroot them in turn.
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07:45<SpComb>trying to debug dhcp issues with debian-installer on a kvm virtual machine... manual config works, and dhclient in the installed guest works, but dhcp network config in the installer just times out
07:47<SpComb>host is libvirt/kvm with the interface bridged via openvswitch and running dnsmasq
07:47<framic>here is the skript: http://pastebin.com/vZ7v0L28
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08:13<Bungofant>back after installing debian 7.5 + xfce as my primary os... thx @all for the good work
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09:07<__odie>after installing the firmware-linux-nonfree package (which contains firmware for my ati-radeon) the X server doesnt display video anymore, what causes such issue?
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09:11<melmothX>__odie: which driver do you use? the catalyst one or the radeon?
09:13<__odie>melmothX: i use the radeon module, the fglrx caused kernel issues
09:13<melmothX>odd then, unless you didn't clean up the fglrx installation properly
09:14<__odie>could be, i just purged everything with apt-get purge fglrx*
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09:17<__odie>melmothX: i try a quick reinstall of the xorg packages
09:18<melmothX>sounds more a kernel thing to me, but can't help more, have been a while since I had an ati card
09:18<babilen>__odie: A look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a pastebin (e.g. http://refheap.com) would probably shed some light one the issue
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09:24<__odie>with the fglrx enabled i get kernel problems like: https://www.refheap.com/edb4ffb66c1d91351fa835999
09:24<__odie>babilen: i'll post my Xorg when i reinstalled and encountered the problem again ok?
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09:44<__odie>babilen: http://pastebin.com/NHiAT8JC thats the output with nonfree firmware package installed
09:49<__odie>normally that should be the problem when no firmware-nonfree package is installed
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09:49<babilen>__odie: You seem to have a laptop with switchable graphics. Can't tell you much about it (I avoided that hardware like the plague), but look into vga switcheroo and you might need newer versions of Xorg (which would require an upgrade to, say, jessie). I'd ask in #radeon and #intel-gfx on irc.freenode.net for the best approach.
09:50<__odie>babilen: ok, its a desktop pc with i5 cpu and integrated intel hd and a radeon card
09:51<chealer>__odie: it appears you're actually using the vesa driver
09:52<__odie>chealer: xorg tries to use vesa driver, but fails :)
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11:41<sleser>trying to create a directory My book within terminal comand . only creates My how do i create a directory with spaces ?
11:41<sleser>like my book
11:41<ixi>mkdir 'My book'
11:42<ixi>or
11:42<sleser>yes
11:42<ixi>mkdir My\ book
11:42<sleser>let me try
11:42<ixi>try
11:42<sleser>worked
11:42<sleser>thanks
11:42<ixi>k
11:44<ompaul>sleser: it will mean that if you My\ Book and My\ Photos Music in the same directory you have to tab after five characters to get into the directory might be better called Book
11:45<sleser>im trying to mount this external usb hd . i did mount it but there isues
11:45<ompaul>sleser: bash completion trick three directories called M1M M2M M3M for some value of M you type M1*TAB KEY* and you are in there
11:45<sleser>now im trying all diferent ways i can find with google. to mount it
11:45<sleser>without error
11:45<sleser>and the label on it is My Book
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11:45<ompaul>what window manager?
11:46<sleser>dolphin
11:46<ompaul>that is a file manager it belongs to KDE
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11:46<sleser>yeh
11:46<sleser>i want to mount the hd when i plug the usb in to the drive and safely eject it from kde
11:46<Bungofant>using directory names with spaces is pain in the ass.
11:47<ompaul>if you are running KDE on plugging in the drive you should get an event that tells you that the drive is plugged in and can be mounted on the right hand side of the desktop
11:47<sleser>the problem is its a wd drive and it looks like
11:47<sleser>well to me it looks like t here 2 partitions in it . but gparted shows one partition
11:48<sleser>but there 2 . that i see. one caled my book another one wd smartware
11:48<sleser>now i can acces wd smartware
11:48<sleser>but i canot my book something to do with ntfs 3g
11:48<sleser>now i did mount it b4 on fstab
11:48<sleser>but then if i pute it in fstab i wont b able to unmount it
11:49<sleser>there this eror it gives whitch i dont remember i done it last nite .
11:49<ompaul>wrong, you can always umount with the umount /partition/name
11:49<SamB>hmm, dpkg (the bot) just asked me to explain something to "him" ;-P
11:49<sleser>it worked half way
11:49<ompaul>SamB: you asking bad questions again?
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11:49<SamB>ompaul: er, usually it tells me "nya nya nya still in use nya nya"
11:50<ompaul>SamB: that dpkg ....
11:50<ompaul>I was thinking of the other one ... the bot
11:50<SamB>oh, that was re: umount
11:50<SamB>sorry
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11:50<SamB>I got distracted by backlog
11:50<sleser>let me do some other ways i looked in google maby it will work
11:51<ompaul>sleser: do this please df -h and put the output in http://paste.debian.net
11:51<SamB>ompaul: it *was* the bot, I did "/msg dpkg secretary" and he's like <dpkg> I don't know, could you explain it?, SamB
11:51<ompaul>and did you
11:52<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104132/
11:53<SamB>ompaul: I don't know how
11:53<ompaul>sleser: do this ls -l /media/WD\ SmartWare
11:53<ompaul>SamB: ahh, maybe that is a good thing. ;-)
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11:53<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104134/
11:54<SamB>(note: the last filesystem I tried to unmount is mounted on /home ;-)
11:54<sleser>all t hat you can see. i can go in to . in dolphin as soon as i plug the hd in
11:54<sleser>thats not the aria i need. in the drive i need t he my book aria whitch has 999 tb on it
11:54<ompaul>so what is the problem
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11:55<sleser>1 tb on it
11:55<ompaul>right so do this
11:55<ompaul>fdisk -l
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11:55<ompaul>output of that please
11:55<sleser>if i add it . to fstab the way you want me to . t hen i go chek . to make sure . again . the dev will change
11:56<sleser>that i tryed
11:56<blast007>the "smartware" is a virtual CD drive that the device creates that has some utility software on it
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11:57<ompaul>sleser: eh I don't want a . anywhere
11:57<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104137/
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11:59<ompaul>sleser: try this command line >> mkdir /SDC1 ; mount -t auto /dev/sdc1 /SDC1 ; cd /SDC1 ; ls -l <<< does that help
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12:01<ompaul>sleser: also run this command for yourself: du -h /media/76FE3C437ADB6C66
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12:02<sleser>76FE3C437ADB6C66 works fine it auto mounts its an internal hd id like that moounted on boot
12:03<sleser>the isue is t he external hd usb
12:03<sleser>if i do add . /dev/sdc /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 on fstab
12:03<sleser>then to go back double chek . fdisk -l . it changed its place. now it sno longer sbc its would be some other like sbd or what ever
12:04<sleser>bsides this problem there another problem . then when trying to unmount wd smartware it will give me an error
12:04<sleser>having all that line in my fstab
12:04<ompaul>that is because USB should just automount
12:04<ompaul>if you move it around it will not pick up the same device id as the last time
12:04<sleser>it only outmounting the part i have no use for
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12:05<ompaul>umount /whatever will always umount it unless you have something cd'ed into the partition
12:05<sleser>is there a way to wipe the wd smartware
12:05<sleser>that i dont need
12:05<sleser>maby then it will pick up as plug and play
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12:07<ompaul>sleser: I can't advise that as I don't know your situation well enough.
12:07<sleser>what is the diference between ading a /dev/sbc or a uuid ?
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12:08<sleser>id like to avoide the dev keep changing . its place
12:08<ompaul>sleser: if you have other devices plugged into the USB you could get have a problem
12:08<ompaul>the fact you keep using a . makes me uncomfortable
12:08<sleser>lol
12:09<sleser>ok ill try not to pute a . then you will get confused
12:09<sleser>i have 4 external usb hds and id like when i plug it in it should work and eject it within kde
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12:11<sleser>i know the terminal command to umount i just dont like to do that all the time sins its too much typing involved when something like mouse exists today
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12:11<sleser>let me pute it back the way it was last nite then ill show you the error im having i gues that will give you an idia of the issue
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12:12<sleser>itll take me 5 min let me fix it back like i did it last nite
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12:21<pjp>Hi, is this a Debian squeeze specific issue? -> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746037
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12:24<Brigo>pjp, bugs are package related, not distributions.
12:25<pjp>Brigo: I see, I'm more interested in if there is an updated upstream fix for the said CVE,
12:25<Brigo>pjp, what is the complete package name?
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12:26<pjp>Brigo: it says -> package: linux-2.6, version: 2.6.32-48squeeze5
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12:27<Brigo>there is no such package linux-2.6
12:27<Brigo>,v linux-2.6
12:27<judd>No package named 'linux-2.6' was found in i386.
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12:27<pjp>judd: Brigo maybe it's named kernel-2.6.32-48squeeze5 ?
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12:28<Brigo>,v kernel-2.6.32-48squeeze5
12:28<judd>No package named 'kernel-2.6.32-48squeeze5' was found in i386.
12:28<Brigo>:/
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12:28<pjp>,v kernel-2.6.32-48
12:28<judd>No package named 'kernel-2.6.32-48' was found in i386.
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12:28<Brigo>pjp, but it seems this bug is not resolved yet.
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12:29<Guest13074>Is wget better to use to download files with than a web browser? And does it use http or FTP?
12:29<pjp>Brigo: any idea to whom is it assigned to?
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12:30<sleser>ompaul still here ?
12:31<sleser>i puted the external in to fstab id like to show it to you . then after you chek it . ill give you the error im talking about
12:31<Brigo>pjp, not sure. sorry
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12:31<pjp>Brigo: is there any patch attached or mentioned in the bug?
12:32<Bungofant>Guest13012, both will do the job. wget supports http and ftp.
12:32<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104145/
12:32<Brigo>Guest13012, wget is better because you do not need a whole big browser, and it is powerfull, you can use http or ftp and you can stop and restart de download.
12:32<Brigo>pjp, i can see anyone, and can not see a reply ...
12:32<c_gone>somiaj, after your advice I decided to do a fresh stable install and get rid of that libc6 from testing steam wanted. I thinnk steam is full of shit anyways.
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12:33<pjp>Brigo: I see, okay
12:33<pjp>Brigo: thank you.
12:33<Brigo>np :)
12:34<Guest13074>Brigo when I use wget I just type wget and the URL. I am guessing by doing it like that, it would be upswing http if I wanted to be using FTP how woud I do that? And would FTP be better to use than http and would the download speed be any different ?
12:34<Brigo>pjp Outstanding bugs -- Normal bugs; Unclassified (435 bugs) --> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=debian-kernel%40lists.debian.org
12:34*pjp clicks
12:35<victory>Guest13074: you can do wget ftp://...
12:35<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104146/
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12:36<sleser>that error when trying to unmount the wd smartwear
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12:36<Brigo>Guest13012, wen you use wget an put the URL your URL starts wint http:// so you are selecting http, for ftp, you have to use ftp:// but you will need a running ftp daemon on the server.
12:36<Guest13074>Victory wget FTP://URL
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12:37<Guest13074>Brigo sudo apt-get install FTP ?
12:37<Bungofant>besides ftp ist more efficient, so ftp will be slightly faster (depending on the server).
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12:37<Brigo>sleser, this space in "/media/My Book" should be the error, try to avoid spaces in directory names.
12:38<Bungofant>lol... there he goes...
12:38<Brigo>Guest13012, not you, the server sides
12:38<Brigo>side*
12:38<sleser>let me try this again
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12:38<sleser>brb
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12:41<sleser>remooved the space now i canot open the hd . says i need a ntfs fuse
12:41<sleser>the hd is labled as my book . with space
12:41<sleser>lets relable it
12:41<sleser>mybook
12:41<sleser>im not looking to loose data on it
12:42<c_gone>Brigo is right, spaces is a nono, even old and senile me knows that.
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12:42<Brigo>sleser, can you paste this error, please?
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12:43<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104147/
12:44<Brigo>get ntfs fuse is as easy as "apt-get install ntfs-3g", but i do not undestand why do you need it
12:44<sleser>i have it
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12:44<Brigo>sleser, aha, that was not the error, the error was:
12:44<Brigo>Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices
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12:45<sleser>the hd is labled My book with space
12:45<sleser>you asked me to remoove space from fstab i did
12:45<Brigo>you need to mount is whit user permissions
12:45<sleser>now i canot go to hd
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12:45<sleser>i need to pute the space back between my book in fstab then hd will work
12:45<Brigo>sleser, these was two differents error
12:45<Brigo>errors*
12:45<sleser>i know
12:45<sleser>its a hd that has 2 partitions
12:45<sleser>one hiden
12:46<sleser>i cant even wipe it
12:46<sleser>something caled wdsmartwear
12:46<sleser>i dont realy need thouse tools the hd comes with
12:46<sleser>i wish i can explain it more better
12:46<victory>746037 is against https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2014/04/msg00254.html but the bugmail is not listed on https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2014/04/threads.html
12:46<sleser>dont you guys ever bout a wd external disk
12:47<Brigo>sleser, not me, but i know what you are doing.
12:47<victory>maybe it lacks src:
12:47<sleser>im going back to add a space in fstab so i can go in to my book it will work without a fuse .
12:47<sleser>unmounting it will also work
12:48<sleser>but part with wdsmartwear wont unmount
12:48<sleser>whitch is in this usb hd
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12:49<sleser>the 1st error msg i gave you . was trying to unmount the wd smartwear whitch wont . umount
12:49<sleser>lemy reboot so i can give you the error again brb
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12:54<somiaj>c_gone: I think the best way if you really wanted steam on wheezy is run it in a jessie chroot (I belive xorg's api will allow you to run gui apps on your stable xorg from inside the jessie chroot)
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12:59<sleser>dosnt wants to work ne more anyhow
12:59<sleser>with space or without . just wont do it ne more
13:00<sleser>but it did do it with space for sure
13:00<sleser>im about to throw this box out of the window
13:01<victory>do not forget to install windows before throw :)
13:01<sleser>i havent used windows for the past year
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13:02<Brigo>sleser, with error do you get?
13:02<sleser>error line 17
13:02<sleser>with fuse and all that
13:03<sleser>all i did was remoove the space . then puted it back
13:03<sleser>i havent tuched anything other there.
13:03<sleser>didnt work this time
13:03<Brigo>paste only that line here.
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13:03<mvdwege>g'day
13:04<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104153/
13:04<mvdwege>Just did an upgrade on a desktop, and now it hangs on boot saying 'a start jobi s running for LSB: RPC portmapper replacement'
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13:04<mvdwege>anyone know what to do about this?
13:05<Brigo>sleser, no, the line from fstab.
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13:05<mtn>mvdwege: what kind of upgrade? from what to what?
13:05<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104154/
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13:06<mvdwege>mtn: sid, left alone for 6 months or so, to the newest unstable
13:06<mvdwege>mtn: oh fsck
13:06<mvdwege>wrong channel
13:06<mtn>mvdwege: ah, well, support for sid is at #debian-next
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13:07<Brigo>sleser, the line 14 are mounting that partition on /media/usb0 already
13:07<Brigo>sleser, and may be the 15 too
13:07<mvdwege>goddamint
13:08<mvdwege>stupid xchat does not want to close the channel dialog
13:08<mvdwege>brb
13:08<sleser>sbc it mooves around
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13:08<sleser>even if i do . pute it like you want me to . then go fdisk -l it changes
13:08<sleser>under another sb ...
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13:09<sleser>what hapend last nite i was going to manualy umount the usb it umounted the internal hd
13:09<sleser>because sb ... mooved its position
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13:09<Brigo>sleser, are you using any desktop manager?
13:10<sleser>like ?
13:10<Brigo>gnome, kde, lxdm, mate, etc
13:10<sleser>kde
13:10<Brigo>and kde do not automunt it on plug-in?
13:10<Marc123>I've got a question about security updates on squeeze. In response to the openssl bug last week the openssl package was updated to 0.9.8o-4squeeze15 here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openssl/news/20140605T193431Z.html. However I don't see it available when I perform an update. Do I need to do something special?
13:10<sleser>it only auto mounts the part on the hd caled wd smartwear
13:11<sleser>totaly unnesesery part not sure who created it its for windows use i have no need for it
13:11<sleser>its tools for the hd inside
13:11<Brigo>sleser, uhum, and the other one is ntfs?
13:11<sleser>i cant wipe it it wont wipe
13:11<sleser>hd is ntfs
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13:11<sleser>the other is My book
13:11<sleser>both in one unit
13:12<blast007>sleser: like I had said, the smartware is a virtual CD drive that the WD My Book creates.
13:12<Brigo>sleser, the problem is, like you have said, the name of the partition will change, so automatic mount from fstab will fail.
13:12<sleser>ok so then the virtual cd part works
13:12<sleser>but the hd wont
13:12<sleser>plug and play
13:13<c_gone>somiaj, you're right, but steam clearly doesn't want my money, so I'm not gonna give them to them. That libc6 might mess any source package I compiled or even prevent me from upgrading as well.
13:13<sleser>so what should i do ?
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13:14<sleser>what is the best solution for plug and play it
13:14<c_gone>somiaj, I think the debian wiki about steam should be updated... If a newbie tries to purge libc6 the system might become unrepairable (by him)...
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13:15<blast007>sleser: have you tried contacting customer support for the drive? Additionally, their knowledge base has a way to disabe/hide the smartware virtual CD
13:15<sleser>i dont have a waranty for it
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13:15<blast007>not sure if disabling that piece would help or not (and it says you can't do it from Linux - have to do it from Windows or OSX)
13:15<Brigo>sleser, you can try to indentify the partition wiht blkid and mount it then with pmount <device>
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13:16<sleser>thats what i was going to do pute a uuid
13:16<sleser>instead of . sbc
13:16<sleser>sins sbc changes
13:16<sleser>will that help better ?
13:16<Brigo>sleser, yes, good point :)
13:16<sleser>ok lemy try this thing
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13:17<Brigo>sleser, but it is not going to be automount
13:17<Brigo>you must mount it yourself.
13:18<sleser>i see there ods to it too then
13:18<c_gone>I'm sorry Brigo, haven't been from the start Sleser asked. Does disk-manager solves his issues?
13:18<sleser>sins things like externals arent always pluged i plug and i take it out
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13:18<Brigo>i do not konw disk-manager
13:19<c_gone>debian package... when you run it it mounts hard disks...
13:19<c_gone>#apt-get disk-manager
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13:19<c_gone>#apt-get install disk-manager
13:19<Brigo>sleser, may be disk-manager can help you.
13:20<c_gone>It's the easiest way (with gui)...
13:20<c_gone>gnome package, look it up peeps
13:20<sleser>lets try this
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13:20<c_gone>you can use synaptic or #apt-cache search disk-manager as well
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13:21<c_gone>to find it.
13:21<sleser>i found it and got it
13:21<sleser>how to lunch it
13:21<sleser>cant find it .
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13:22<Brigo>try command line for now
13:22<sleser>found it
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13:22<Brigo>sleser, for kde may be kdf can help you too
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13:23<c_gone>it's on debian repositories, sleser read this: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
13:23<sleser>i got it
13:23<c_gone>ok.
13:24<c_gone>if it complains about root priviledges, run from a term
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13:25<c_gone>#privileges
13:25<sleser>disk manager wont recodnise the external until its mounted on fstab
13:26<sleser>it just shows me whats in the fstab
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13:26<c_gone>did you run disk-manager?
13:26<sleser>yes
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13:26<sleser>it dosnt shows plug and plays it only shows whats on fstab
13:27<c_gone>please read here then: https://wiki.debian.org/fstab
13:27<blast007>maybe it's just time to buy an external hard drive that's normal
13:28<sleser>lol
13:28<sleser>this hd is new
13:28<somiaj>c_gone: yea maybe one day I'll learn how to edit the wiki, doesn't it say only for jessie onwards?
13:28<sleser>ill figure this out if you guys are tired
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13:29<Brigo>sleser, try pmount
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13:29<somiaj>c_gone: the wiki does clearly state the packages are not for wheezy. Maybe adding a note why it can't be backported would help, but over all mixing stable/testing is a very common mistake many make (some are able to get away with it -- but it usually comes back to bite you which is why I bring it up when I see people doing that)
13:30<sleser>pmount not found
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13:31<victory>apt-get install pmount
13:31<sleser>what does pmount do anyways
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13:32<victory>pmount is a wrapper around the standard mount program which permits normal users to mount removable devices without a matching /etc/fstab entry. This provides a robust basis for automounting frameworks like GNOME's Utopia project and confines the amount of code that runs as root to a minimum.
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13:32<Brigo>sleser, mount partitions
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13:32<blast007>sleser: are you able to manually mount the drive?
13:32<victory>you can search yourself :p
13:32<sleser>if i do manual yes
13:33<sleser>look if i remoove the usb hd
13:33<sleser>plug a usb flash
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13:33<sleser>i dont have to mount nothing
13:33<sleser>it auto shows everything
13:33<sleser>how is that
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13:34<sleser>usb disk that spins a metal object inside t he unit or . a flash microchip same thing usb
13:34<sleser>supose to work
13:34<Brigo>sleser, to mount usb on plug-in is the normal behaviour
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13:35<sleser>do i need to reboot after pmount install ?
13:35<Brigo>but this disk is tricky, and the automount can not deal with it.
13:35<Brigo>sleser, no
13:36<sleser>pmount isnt doing the job then
13:36<sleser>cant mount it from kde just by cliking on t he my book
13:37<Brigo>sleser, it should be by the permissions problems, or the fstab lines you add, or, of couse, another other thing
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13:37<sleser>like to throw the box out the window ?or the hd
13:38<Brigo>sleser, try to delete the fstab lines related to this disk and add one with the UUID and not the device.
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13:38<sleser>let me try
13:39<sleser>brb
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13:41<sleser>bingo im not trying to be disrespectful
13:42<sleser>looks like after pmount i needed reboot
13:42<sleser>pmount works
13:42<sleser>mounted
13:42<sleser>remooved the lines of fstab like you adviced .
13:42<sleser>pmount doing the job
13:43<Brigo>well, so congratulations :)
13:43<sleser>some one mentioned that wd creates a . virtual cd thingy whitch on my screen shows like WD smartwear
13:43<sleser>that wont umount
13:43<sleser>but my book will
13:44<sleser>now when umounting my book and unpluging the device is it safe ? sins i see it umounts halfway
13:44<sleser>is a quastion
13:44<sleser>or if there solution for the virtual cd part to umount as well
13:44<sleser>safely
13:44<blast007>sleser: http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3835/~/how-to-remove-%28disable-%2F-hide%29-the-virtual-cd-%28vcd%29-for-windows-or-mac-osx-on-a
13:45<sleser>i see but is it safe to unplug after im done umounting the my book ?
13:45<Brigo>sleser, paste your fstab and and the blkid output, please (and the output of the mount command without arguments)
13:46<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104163/
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13:47<sleser>i forgot the blkid comand
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13:47<Brigo>and the mount
13:47<sleser>to show all
13:47<c_gone>Brigo, sleser you are both wrong. plug and play means just that. If it shows in nautilus or pcmanfm or whatever then you're ok. If it doesn't read here: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice
13:48<c_gone>somiaj, editing a wiki is easy, and no the wiki is for stable -and it might break your system
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13:48<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104164/
13:49<sleser>well plug and play for me is when i plug a hd like a flash it should show content
13:49<sleser>sins in my case
13:49<sleser>flash shows content . usb hd dosnt
13:49<sleser>i see no diference. if its made from disk spining or microchip
13:49<somiaj>c_gone: https://wiki.debian.org/Steam -- I dont' see it mentioned anywhere this is for stable.
13:50<Brigo>sleser, the output or blkid command, not that
13:50<Brigo>and what is /dev/sdb1?
13:51<sleser>not sure its ether the system hd or a internal 500 gig
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13:51<sleser>on the 1st pastebin its ether the line 9 or line 11
13:51<sleser>not sure
13:51<sleser>ether one
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13:52<sleser>is there a better command that shows all hds and uudi to it ?
13:52<c_gone>somiaj, THAT'S the problem man, if you follow the wiki, and just add that jessie repo, steam works, libc6 is upgraded, and if you notice it (eg newbie) and purge the package, half your stable debian is gone including apt, and you're left with a terminal...
13:52<Brigo>no from you second paste: 48E061D9E061CE2E -> ../../sdb1, and there is not such UUID in your fstab
13:52<Brigo>sleser, yes blkin
13:52<Brigo>sleser, yes blkid
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13:53<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104165/
13:53<sleser>better view
13:53<Brigo>i will have gone in 6 minutes :)
13:54<sleser>i was on time then
13:54<c_gone>sleser, your disk is sdb1?
13:54<sleser>external is the sbc1
13:54<c_gone>with the same name?
13:54<sleser>i think
13:54<sleser>no its the sbd1
13:55<sleser>sbd1 my book external
13:55<Brigo>sleser, you have 2: sdb1 and sdc1, and /dev/sr2: LABEL="WD SmartWare" TYPE="udf"
13:55<c_gone>your fstab shows 2 hard disks with same label
13:55<phillipsjk>I move my hard-drive to yet another machine: this time wioth a Promise ATA100TX controller card. The difficulty is that my hard-disk got renumbered to hde. I am having trouble finding all the places it is referenced.
13:55<c_gone>sdb1 and sdc1
13:56<somiaj>c_gone: the issue is not the wiki, but in thinking you can mix wheezy and jessie. This is a larger issue many people new to debian have that should be addressed on it's own wiki page (with maybe warnings to common places people may stumble across wanting to mix)
13:56<Brigo>sleser, i am very sorry, but i must go. It are getting very interesting :)
13:56<c_gone>somiaj, are you a debian developer? who can edit this wiki?
13:56<sleser>np
13:56<sleser>there always another day
13:57<sleser>it working now
13:57<somiaj>c_gone: should be a wiki, anyone can edit it
13:57<somiaj>and no I"m not a debian dev
13:57<sleser>its just some one mentioned i have 2 in fstabs
13:57<sleser>looking at fstab now
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13:57<phillipsjk>I found /etc/mtab /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/device.map /etc/uswsup.conf
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13:57<sleser>thanks brigo
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13:58<c_gone>if you have the same hard disk in 2 places in fstab, you have a REAL problem sleser, you did this?
13:58<phillipsjk>I suspect I have to rebuild the initrd.
13:58<sleser>show me
13:58<c_gone>or was like that before editing
13:58<sleser>where do you see 2
13:58<sleser>i see one
13:58<c_gone>http://paste.debian.net/104165/
13:58<Brigo>sleser, paste the mount command it could give us a lot of information. Only mount wihtaout arguments.
13:58<c_gone>1st and 5th
13:59<c_gone>Do what Brigo said sleser
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14:00<c_gone>I'm creating a wiki account for debian somiaj
14:00<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104167/
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14:00<sleser>sdc1 is the 500 gig , sdb1 is 999gig
14:01<sleser>i need to c hange the label of hd
14:01<sleser>to change name
14:01<sleser>otherwise its 2 diferent units one internal one external
14:01<sleser>all wd drives come as my book
14:01<sleser>from store
14:01<sleser>i havent formated and puted my lable when i should have
14:01<sleser>this is the problem im guessing now
14:02<sleser>the external wont always stay in the pc . i take it out i just use it to pull things out of it
14:02<sleser>then i turn it off
14:02<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell sleser about enter
14:02<c_gone>sleser, #e2label device newlabel
14:03<c_gone>run #man e2label
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14:03<c_gone>do this for your plug and play disk that has the problems...
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14:03<c_gone>or the other one, try something without spaces.
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14:04<sleser>the other hd in the fstab i use the uuid do i still need to remoove the space ?
14:05<sleser>that im not looking to umount
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14:05<sleser>it stays on . at all times
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14:07<c_gone>using disk-manager, you can unmount anything (but sda1, the partition/hard drive that runs your debian system)
14:07<c_gone>rename as well
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14:08<c_gone>if you can't unmout using umount, remember you have to be root... see the "#" sign on a terminal
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14:10<sleser>how do i lunch the disk manager from termina. sins it has a space between disk mount
14:10<sleser>disk manager
14:11<blast007>the command would not have a space
14:11<retrospectacus>mmm.... lunch
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14:13<c_gone>$δισκ-μαναγερ
14:13<c_gone>#disk-manager
14:13<c_gone>(sorry for the greek)
14:13<phillipsjk>apparently I missed /etc/fstab
14:13<c_gone>try as a normal user first:
14:13<c_gone>$disk-manager
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14:14<c_gone>phillipsjk, sleser posted a pastebin earlier
14:15<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104170/
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14:16<c_gone>sleser, that's a usb plug and play hard drive you have problems with isn't it?
14:16<sleser>i had
14:16<c_gone>it works now?
14:16<sleser>now it works with pmount
14:16<sleser>it isnt in fstab
14:16<sleser>it just works some how with pmount
14:16<c_gone>allrighty then you learned how to use pmount
14:16<sleser>lol i havent learned nothing
14:16<sleser>i just instaled it and it worked
14:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 718] by debhelper
14:17<sleser>i just learned that something like pmount will do the trick
14:17<c_gone>I only proposed disk-manager, since peeps coming from windows/osX usually liked gui
14:17<c_gone>or newbies...
14:17<sleser>i cant open disks manangern any more from kde it opened the first time
14:17<sleser>wont open the second time
14:17<sleser>it wants root
14:17<c_gone>it SHOULD automount, and that needs a few commands to check sleser
14:18<c_gone>do it as root then...
14:18<sleser>it wont open
14:18<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104170/
14:18<sleser>something to do with old python
14:18<sleser>it worked t he 1st time i saw it work it came up
14:18<c_gone>check your sources.list and the wiki I posted above, then do this from a terminal, trust me.
14:19<devil>WARNING : python-notify is too old,
14:19<sleser>yeh
14:19<c_gone>#apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
14:19<devil>that is very explicit, fix it
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14:19<c_gone>do this sleser
14:20<c_gone>the wiki is here: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
14:21<c_gone>devil, sleser needs an upgrade...
14:21<devil>sleser needs a clue firswt of all :)
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14:22<sleser>i think i did my source list not too long ago non free
14:22<c_gone>yeah, but it reminds me back in 2002 when I bought Debian woody from France (internet speeds where amazing 5kb/sec)
14:22<sleser>like a munth ago or so maby longer
14:23<phillipsjk>c_gone that was not terribly reveant to my problem. (looking for referenced to /dev/dha* to change to /dev/hde*)
14:23<c_gone>sleser, if your kde says python-notify is too old, you have a problem, and I'm NOT running NOR going to anyday soon.
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14:24<sleser>its what the terminal shows
14:24<phillipsjk>"resume" still complains it can not stat the device file, so I missed one :P
14:24<c_gone>phillipsjk, I thought you were commenting on sleser's problem, state your problem, and I'll try.
14:24<c_gone>sleser, no KDE here....
14:25<phillipsjk>My hard-disk got renumbered, now the system p[rompts for user input on boot.
14:25<c_gone>fast solution: change your boot hard drive from BIOS.
14:26<c_gone>I'm gonna edit a wiki for a while, bb soon
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14:28<phillipsjk>mentioned earlier I found /etc/mtab /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/device.map /etc/uswsup.conf (now /etc/fstab)
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14:30<sleser>i did update and upgrade command as root
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14:30<sleser>same problem with . here http://paste.debian.net/104172/
14:30<ompaul>sleser: what version?
14:30<sleser>7.5
14:30<c_gone>the wiki is ready... Enjoy: https://wiki.debian.org/Steam
14:31<ompaul>sleser: was it 6.? or wheezy testing at any point?
14:31<sleser>was what
14:31<c_gone>phillipsjk, try BIOS, it should mention boot order in it.
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14:32<ompaul>sleser: your computer?
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14:32<c_gone>current stable is wheezy
14:32<sleser>the debian on the system is 7.5
14:32<c_gone>somiaj, I edited the wiki, so hopefully stable users might avoid breakage...
14:33<ompaul>ok
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14:34<Marc123>For the debian squeeze server the openssl version 0.9.8o-4squeeze15 was accepted but isn't available in the repository. How can I install this version?
14:35<retrospectacus>,v openssl
14:35<judd>Package: openssl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security-lts: 0.9.8o-4squeeze15; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u9; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u10; jessie: 1.0.1g-4; sid: 1.0.1h-2; experimental: 1.0.2~beta1-1
14:36<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Marc123 about lts
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14:36<sleser>do i need to fix this ompaul ?
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14:37<Marc123>I saw this on the list: (http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openssl/news/20140605T193431Z.html) Does this mean it's coming?
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14:38<jmcnaught>Marc123: dpkg should have sent you a message about Squeeze LTS
14:39<retrospectacus>Marc123: -squeeze15 is in "squeeze-security-lts" which you can enable by the instructions the robot messaged you
14:39<ompaul>sleser: I have no idea I was guessing about something and it wasn't that
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14:41<sleser>ompaul can you chek this out http://paste.debian.net/104175/
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14:41<sleser>trying to make disk-manager working
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14:41<SamB>wha .... psf-unifont?
14:41<SamB>... how do you fit even just plane0 into a 512-glyph bank?
14:42<retrospectacus>sleser: did yo try running it without sudo
14:42<c_gone>Marc123, consider upgrading to current stable wheezy.
14:42<sleser>yes command not found
14:42<c_gone>sleser, you can be my son, would you like to? lol
14:43<ompaul>sleser: gksu disk-manager
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14:43<retrospectacus>sleser: yes you need a special tool to run X programs as root like gksu or others. Your DE should handle it through the menus
14:43<c_gone>ok, do what ompaul said
14:43<sleser>what ever c_gone
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14:43<Marc123>Thanks that did the trick
14:43<ompaul>sleser: why are you messing with a partition manager?
14:44<ompaul>it this that usb disk?
14:44<c_gone>sleser: $gksu disk-manager
14:44<sleser>just trying to open it see something
14:44<sleser>hate the gksu
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14:44<ompaul>find
14:44<sleser>i rather not use the manager
14:44<ompaul>fine
14:44<ompaul>so I'll leave it there
14:44<sleser>yeh lets leave it there then .
14:45<c_gone>sleser, you can use locate or find with |less on a term #locate disk-manager
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14:45<c_gone>and then use the whole line... to run it as a normal user
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14:45<c_gone>ok?
14:45<sleser>ill just wipe the diskmanager
14:45<sleser>sins i have no use for it
14:45<retrospectacus>or "sudo which disk-manager" to get the path
14:45<c_gone>(that's a bash thing)
14:46<phillipsjk>I have now confimred that WOl works In freeBSD, but not with Linux. (same hardware)
14:47<c_gone>retrospectacus, you're right
14:48<c_gone>sleser, usually if you type just, "/usr/sbin" on a term, and insert for example "d" and press tab it shows you available bins like disk-manager...
14:49<c_gone>(if you're root that is)
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14:49<sleser>im done for the day
14:49<c_gone>without the tab button I couldn't do much...
14:50<sleser>this is too much
14:50<c_gone>sleser, your problem is fixed?
14:50<sleser>ill wipe the diskmanager
14:50<sleser>usb drive works
14:50<c_gone>hahahahaha
14:50<sleser>disk mananger looks retuarded i can use fstab
14:50<sleser>isntead
14:50<sleser>fstab is way easyer to work on
14:50<sleser>diskmananger didnt show much dude
14:50<sleser>it shown all fstab had
14:51<c_gone>ok, if you want to format, relabel etc, come again and ask me...
14:51<sleser>and now i have to worry abuout geting disk mananger i rather wipe it out and use fstab
14:51<c_gone>or someone else.
14:51<sleser>lol
14:51<sleser>working on linux is like piling bricks
14:51<c_gone>sleser, there are many packages/apps/commands that need to be run like this
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14:52<c_gone>you know that
14:52<sleser>if i relable the hd . will i loose the stuf inside it ?
14:53<c_gone>gksu is a way to run those (risky for newbies) programs
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14:53<sleser>cgone after i get some rest . because now im done i give up . ill b back with this network hd . whitch windows uses mionet to conect to
14:53<sleser>id like that working under linux as well
14:53<sleser>without wine or mionet
14:53<c_gone>imagine you little sister or kid, playing with disk-manager and gparted...
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14:53<sleser>i have gparted
14:53<phillipsjk>OK, looks like I just needed to run dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools to rebuild the initrd image.
14:53<sleser>gparted is more profetional then . disk manager
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14:54<sleser>gparted is easy to youse . very understandable too
14:54<phillipsjk>finding the mname of the package is half the battle :p
14:54<c_gone>phillipsjk, so you had a BIG problem, do you know what caused it?
14:54<sleser>lol if you give me a choise ill go with gparted instead of disk mananger
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14:55<c_gone>sleser, why not (unless it's your dad pc)
14:55<sleser>my dad is a barber he wont need a computer anyhow
14:55<sleser>lol
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14:55<sleser>he has his samsung 5 thats his computer and all
14:55<phillipsjk>c_gone: yes, I moved my hard-drive to yet another machine: this time wioth a Promise ATA100TX controller card. This machine I knew actually supported WOl with freeBSD.
14:56<c_gone>you're ok now?
14:56<c_gone>boots properly, etc?
14:56<sleser>yeh
14:56<sleser>its all good
14:56<sleser>thanks
14:57<sleser>brb
14:57<c_gone>I'm asking phillipsjk sleser
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14:57<phillipsjk>yes, but WOL still doesnot work. I guess I can just use freeBSD when I have time to set it up again. (I can just leave the machine running like I was doing the past 3 months)
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14:59<c_gone>tell phillipsjk about WOL
15:00<c_gone>tell phillipsjk -about WOL
15:00<phillipsjk>I have not been using the FreeBSD machine becuase my dump/restore test (actually testing backups) failed.
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15:00<phillipsjk>it is !tell
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15:00<phillipsjk>yes, I read through that.
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15:00<c_gone>yeah, old and senile here...
15:00<phillipsjk>I confirmed the machine is actuall recieving the packets as well.
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15:01<phillipsjk>I have top go though.
15:01<c_gone>well, dpkg knows more than me about troubleshooting WOL phillipsjk
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15:02<c_gone>ok, bye
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15:02<phillipsjk>i suspect the e100 driver is dodgy.
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15:09<deinvater>hi, i'm using debian kit on android and i'm stuck on installing package andromize. it says: cannot get security labeling handle, no such file or directory
15:09<deinvater>the package file exists though
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15:10<deinvater>is there anything else needed to be prepared for debian?
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15:11<c_gone>sorry deinvater I don't use android, does it have any wiki, documentation etc?
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15:12<c_gone>about yout second question, debian kit, an android app, should state that...
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15:12<c_gone>Maybe someone here on #Debian already uses that...
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15:13<sleser>c_gone http://paste.debian.net/104182/
15:13<deinvater>c_gone, i just stumbled on it in f-droid, so far i just read documentation coming with it
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15:16<c_gone>sorry deinvater I don't know much about android
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15:17<deinvater>c_gone, I'll wait :-)
15:17<c_gone>sleser, try:$sudo e2label /dev/sdc1
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15:18<c_gone>deinvater, that's the spirit, I did wait when I first came on #debian... Give us a link though.
15:18<sleser>the same error
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15:18<mtn>deinvater: actually, I don't believe this channel supports android
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15:18<c_gone>sleser, is that mounted?
15:18<sleser>no
15:18<sleser>not any more
15:19<sleser>this is retuarded like i mentioned b4
15:19<sleser>pmount worked for a litle until i rebooted
15:19<sleser>now it dosnt
15:20<sleser>im gona have to add it as a uuid to fstab what ever it is . there no other ways that work that i tryed
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15:21<c_gone>sleser, that's an ext4 hard drive?
15:21<retrospectacus>afaik e2label won't work on ntfs
15:21<c_gone>retrospectacus, is right
15:21<sleser>ntfs
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15:22<c_gone>sleser, $sudo ntfslabel -f /dev/sdc1 <newlabel>
15:23<biscolo>test
15:23<biscolo>Hello,
15:23<c_gone>hello biscolo
15:23<biscolo>How are you today ? :D
15:24<retrospectacus>!chat
15:24<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
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15:24<c_gone>sleser, I don't advise peeps to add plug and play hard drives to fstab
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15:24<sleser>how to use it otherwise ?
15:24<biscolo>I know, i'm just kidding
15:24<biscolo>Anyway,
15:24<biscolo>Can you please explain me what is the difference between Telinit and init command ?
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15:25<sleser>tell me about autofs
15:25<sleser>if autofs will do the job
15:25<c_gone>plug and play hard drives/sticks etc change mount points when inserted
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15:25<sleser>thats what i saw hapening
15:25<sleser>changes place
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15:26<sleser>whats the solution ?
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15:27<c_gone>sleser, use here: /msg dpkg
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15:27<c_gone>and that goes for the new chatty guy.
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15:27<c_gone>read the topic for this channel peeps, it's all there.
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15:28<sleser>dpkg dosnt knows whats a external hd is
15:28<dpkg>sleser: wish i knew
15:28<sleser>dpkg external hd
15:28<dpkg>sleser: bugger all, i dunno
15:28<sleser>taled you so
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15:28<c_gone>!tell sleser about usb
15:29<biscolo> Can you please explain me what is the difference between Telinit and init command ?
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15:29<devil>sleser: is policykit-1 installed
15:29<retrospectacus>biscolo: man init
15:29<c_gone>!tell biscolo about man
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15:30<sleser>yes it is installed
15:31<deinvater>c_gone: http://sven-ola.dyndns.org/repo/debian-kit-en.html . that's the same file shipped in the app, and the installer script lives in this directory as well
15:32<c_gone>sleser, if you read all dpkg told you that fast, why don't you fix it?
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15:33<sleser>dpkg taled me to read the intire library and history and foundation of usb . and when it existed and all that
15:33<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, sleser
15:33<sleser>i dont need that
15:34<sleser>i need to solve the problem not read a library of books for one simple thing
15:34<sleser>id like to know about autofs
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15:35<dondelelcaro>sleser: what's the question?
15:36<dondelelcaro>biscolo: telinit is what you use to talk to init.
15:36<sleser>id like to know whats the diference between a flash stick and usb hd
15:36<sleser>when flash stick . works . and usb hd dosnt
15:36<sleser>any diference between both ?
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15:36<dondelelcaro>sleser: they both should be doing usb mass storage, so as far as the kernel is concerned, there shouldn't be a difference
15:36<retrospectacus>"flash stick" usually doesn't have a partition table
15:36<dondelelcaro>sleser: there's obviously huge differences in the hardware, though.
15:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 711] by debhelper
15:37<sleser>that i know
15:37<sleser>one made from mechanical one microchip
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15:38<sleser>problem is when i plug a flash stick i see content everything is plug and play
15:38<sleser>now hard drive isnt.
15:38<sleser>i only see some part of a hd . a part which is use for nothing.
15:38<dondelelcaro>sleser: but in any event, you still haven't told us what the problem is
15:39<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104190/
15:39<dondelelcaro>sleser: so you only see one partition of the hard drive which is mounted?
15:39<sleser>ive done this many times now
15:40<devil>sleser: both have the same fs?
15:40<sleser>its one unit when i plug i have 2 things come in dolphin . my book and wd smartwear
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15:40<sleser>i can acces wd smartwear and not my book my book gives me the ntfs 3g error
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15:41<dondelelcaro>sleser: is this a Debian machine? By default /bin/ntfs3g is setuid root.
15:41<sleser>debian machine runs a ext4
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15:41<sleser>hd is just where i store my old mp3 files
15:41<sleser>and stuf
15:41-!-lostson [~lostson@cpe-107-10-81-229.new.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
15:41<sleser>now id like to pull some things out of it
15:41<dondelelcaro>sleser: that's not what I asked. Is the machine that you're using to mount the NTFS filesystem a Debian machine?
15:42<sleser>yes
15:42<sleser>debian machine
15:42<sleser>debian 7.5
15:42<dondelelcaro>sleser: what is the output of stat /bin/ntfs-3g?
15:42<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104190/
15:42<c_gone>deinvater, that link seems ok, try the usual install for it, and see if it works. (backup your android device first)
15:43<dondelelcaro>sleser: that's not what I asked for...
15:43<sleser>where do i get t he status from then
15:43<dondelelcaro>sleser: I asked for the output of "stat /bin/ntfs-3g"
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15:44<dondelelcaro>sleser: just for future reference, it's OK if you don't understand what people here are asking for, but in that case, you should ask for clarification.
15:44<c_gone>sleser, do what dondelelcaro says
15:44<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104191/
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15:44<dondelelcaro>sleser: what version of Debian is this?
15:45<sleser>7.5
15:45<c_gone>your problem seems to me simple... you should be root to use your ntfs disk, what do you use as a file manager, pcmanfm, nautilus, what?
15:46<c_gone>that was for sleser
15:46<dondelelcaro>sleser: OK. It appears that by default, ntfs-3g in wheezy is not setuid root. I believe if you chmod u+s /bin/ntfs-3g; as root, this should just work.
15:46<dondelelcaro>sleser: in jessie, ntfs-3g is setuid root.
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15:47<sleser>so i always have to use it as root ?
15:47<c_gone>yep, some file manager in stable don't let you see ntfs unless you mount them from them -if those file managers support this. understood?
15:48<dondelelcaro>sleser: no.
15:48<c_gone>*file managers
15:48<dondelelcaro>sleser: make /bin/ntfs-3g setuid root, and then you should be able to mount it as a user.
15:48<c_gone>dondelelcaro, sleser might not know how.
15:48<dondelelcaro>c_gone: that's why I told him how to do that...
15:48<sleser>yeh i dont know how to
15:48<dondelelcaro>12:46:09 <dondelelcaro> sleser: OK. It appears that by default, ntfs-3g in wheezy is not setuid root. I believe if you chmod u+s /bin/ntfs-3g; as root, this should just work.
15:48<c_gone>#chmod u+s /bin/ntfs-3g
15:49<c_gone>ok sleser
15:49<c_gone>?
15:49<sleser>sudo will do it ?
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15:50<c_gone>you're afraid to type su and hit enter sleser?
15:50<dondelelcaro>sleser: yes, sudo will work.
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15:50<sleser>nope
15:50<dondelelcaro>(sudo will work for anything that you would use su for)
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15:50<c_gone>dondelelcaro, is right
15:51<sleser>do i need to reboot after this to try the usb ntfs hd ?
15:51<dondelelcaro>sleser: you shouldn't; just unplug it and plug it back it
15:51<dondelelcaro>s/it$/in/;
15:51<c_gone>sleser, try a file manager, unplug your ntfs hard drive, wait a bit, and plug it, it should work
15:51<dondelelcaro>sleser: you at least should get a slightly different er
15:52<c_gone>(or work perfectly)
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15:52<sleser>still isnt working
15:53<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104197/
15:54<sleser>let me make a picture of screen shot
15:54<sleser>so you can have an idia about what im saying . 2 things in one drive . one work the other dosnt
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15:55<sleser>http://picpaste.com/upload.php
15:55<sleser>there will be WB smart and my book
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15:56<sleser>i can only acces wbsmart and not my book
15:56<c_gone>sleser this is a quote from debian forums, check your fstab and remove the line you inserted that mentions your ntfs partition "Perhaps you installed debian from a usb and got a line in /etc/fstab like:
15:56<c_gone>/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
15:56<c_gone>Just remove it or comment it and it should work."
15:56<backbox>..........
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15:56<sleser>that what i was wondering too . like where that line came from so its safe to take it out c gone ?
15:56<c_gone>that's one of the reasons I told you NOT to add plug and play devices to fstab
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15:57<c_gone>yes it's safe
15:57<sleser>i didnt add t hat one
15:57<sleser>that one was there
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15:57<c_gone>try commenting it (put a # before it)
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15:58<sleser>reboot ?
15:58<sleser>i taken it off
15:59<c_gone>I don't remember the command to refresh that, do a reboot and tell us
15:59<c_gone>(old and senile)
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16:01<sleser>now it works
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16:02<sleser>what made it work for sure ? the line you asked me to remoove or . a command chmod u+s /bin/ntfs-3g
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16:04<babilen>sleser: I'd say both, but that is easy to test by removing SUID from the executable and trying it again
16:05<sleser>lets try
16:05<sleser>i can always pute it back no ?
16:06<babilen>sure
16:07<sleser>how do i remove the suid
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16:07<babilen>sleser: u-s
16:08<sleser>just that ?
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16:08<c_gone>nice thinking babilen, sorry peeps I've been up for 16 hours, got to sleep to leave for work. bb now, good job sleser
16:08<babilen>sleser: No, naturally not. Make that "chmod u-s /bin/ntfs-3g"
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16:08<sleser>thanks c gone
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16:09<sleser>should i reboot ?
16:09<babilen>sleser: You might want to familiarise yourself with commands such as chmod by reading documentation such as those listed in <general cli tutorial> -- /msg dpkg general cli tutorial (in your IRC client)
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16:10<babilen>sleser: No, you don't have to reboot for that. (or many other things)
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16:10<sleser>hd works after aplying the u-s command
16:10<sleser>so it was the line in the fstab rite ?
16:11<babilen>sleser: I don't believe cultist rites had any influence, but it was most likely the entry in your fstab. ;)
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16:12<babilen>sleser: That doesn't meant that setting suid on that binary is not necessary, so keep it in mind in case you run into permission problems.
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16:12<sleser>yes thats why i was going to take that out
16:12<sleser>thats just a hd for mp3s and movies
16:12<sleser>nothing runs from there that linux requers .
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16:13<sleser>still strong ?
16:13<sleser>i had another quastion
16:14<sleser>i googled everywhere for it . people have the ways of doing it but they wont mention it on google logs
16:14<sleser>a network hd
16:14<sleser>i bout it . i used it while i had windows . it works with mionet software under windows. i no longer use windows
16:14<sleser>id like to have that working under linux some how
16:15<sleser>they dont have mionet for linux
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16:17<sleser>basicaly to me this hd is . garbage sins i cant use it . it works its still new . i just cant use it without windows.
16:17<sleser>it would be cool to get it runing with linux
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16:19<devil>in the end it's just a harddrive
16:19<devil>what does mionet do?
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16:22<sleser>mionet lets me view the hd
16:22<sleser>i dont exactly knows how it works . windows user dont go deep in to details on how things work because under windows . things work
16:22<sleser>the hd conects to router
16:23<sleser>mionet installs on the w indows
16:23<devil>sleser: so nfs should do the trick
16:23<sleser>and there they make conections its how i can explain sins im not a computer language person
16:23<sleser>the hd uses a cat5 jack
16:23<devil>read upon nfs
16:24<devil>you need to put it into fstab with its network adress
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16:24<sleser>let me hook it up
16:24<sleser>sins you want to help
16:24<sleser>if your tired from me . another day
16:25<devil>I am here with one eye
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16:27<devil>ups, https://wiki.debian.org/NFSServerSetup seems a bit very old
16:28<devil>still uses portmap
16:29<devil>sleser: this should work: http://www.howtoforge.com/install_nfs_server_and_client_on_debian_wheezy
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16:30<sleser>ill read t hat
16:30<devil>if you use systemd [>=204-9), your fstab line needs to be a bit different
16:30<sleser>ill do it another day . i dont have a cat5 cable on me ill have to build one the next time i go to work site
16:30<sleser>tomaro or day after ill have a cat5 ill read your link
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16:31<sleser>lets leave this for another day .
16:31<sleser>sorry to bother you guys too much
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16:33<gr3yghst>yo
16:33<retrospectacus>hi gr3yghst
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16:44<cowy>Hi all
16:45<cowy>Is there any place I can ask about codecs?
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16:47<cowy>file with AC-3 (ATSC A/52) plays on my tv but MPEG-4 AAC doesnt
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16:48<cowy>I think that's the difference between two files is there any way to convert it?
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16:50<cowy>Anyways forget it seems that is not my problem it can play a different file
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16:54<alumno>holaa!
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16:55<sleser>cowy vlc player plays everything
16:56<nyov>does apt support a configuration setting to ignore expired keys, without accepting all unauthenticated packages (as in, not using APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated)?
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17:01<nyov>because archive.debian.org releaseshave expired keys. basically i'm looking for the behavior of apt-get prior 0.7.21 (#433091)
17:01<cowy>sleser, true but my problem is not at pc but at my tv they probably dont have decoder or something
17:01<cowy>it plays on my desktop with vlc like everything
17:02<sleser>how are you playing to the tv
17:02<sleser>from pc to tv screen ?
17:02<sleser>or dvd unit with tv ?
17:03<sleser>if ur burning an avi cd and using with dvd unit it wont work
17:03<cowy>I connect my usb stick on my tv, but for that file it gives me an error "file type non recognized"
17:03<cowy>not supported or something
17:04<sleser>youtube it
17:04<sleser>ive never heard of the usb to tv b4
17:04<sleser>is it a smart tv ?
17:04<sleser>if you can install things on to the tv. then there is a way of doing it .
17:05<SamB>nyov: hmm
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17:07<SamB>nyov: that's a good question
17:07<cowy>sleser, yeah but I'm not sure if i can anyways I'll try it later
17:07<sleser>np
17:07<SamB>nyov: snapshot.debian.org has a somewhat similar problem
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17:09<SamB>well, don't see anything helpful in sources.list ...
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17:13<SamB>nyov: what exactly does it say about those releases?
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17:33<Hunger>http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a35d6d218c8bb4c7c613e9d27fb26d6/tumblr_n6wdx3dnm61qzzb9ao1_1280.jpg
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17:33<Hunger>eh, wrong network :p
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17:37<jaccob>how do you install nginx?
17:38<jaccob>I have wheezy, I thought it was in the repo, but search turns up nothing
17:38<zykotick9>jaccob: it's in wheezy-backports
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17:39<jaccob>zykotick9, is it worth it or should I just use apache2?
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17:40<zykotick9>jaccob: i have no idea - i don't use either ;) no web server here. nginx seems to be what the "cool kids" are running these days. me, i'm uber-conservative...
17:41<jaccob>zykotick9, thx
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17:41<jaccob>I cant find exim
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17:42<PMode_>Hi, is there somewhere an OSQA instance for asking questions about debian? Similar to Askubuntu from stackexchange.
17:42<zykotick9>jaccob: "apt-cache search exim" should show exim4 metapackage
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17:47<jaccob>zykotick9, it isn't for me, maybe my sources are too brief
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17:47<Bozor>Hi all
17:47<zykotick9>jaccob: when you installed, did you NOT have internet access?
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17:48<jaccob>zykotick9, it is vps
17:48<jaccob>my isp has an image I simply select
17:48<zykotick9>!tell jaccob about wheezy sources.list
17:48<Bozor>I'm facing a problem with Plex on my vps
17:49<zykotick9>jaccob: personally, i'd be suspicious of VPS provided images... YMMV. best of luck.
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17:49<nyov>SamB: apt-get says "W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org potato Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1042889261 KEYEXPIRED 1042889261 KEYEXPIRED 1042889261"
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17:50<zykotick9>nyov: potato? really?
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17:50<jaccob>zykotick9, thz
17:50<Bozor>does someone knows how to redirect an incoming ip to localhost:port ?
17:50<nyov>zykotick9: some tests with historical versions of a package across releases
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17:51<zykotick9>nyov: good luck with that...
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17:52<nyov>zykotick9: the question was how to ignore expired keys, without throwing out the whole security model of apt by using APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated
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17:53<zykotick9>nyov: sorry, i have no idea. good luck. i really don't see the point (unless you have a time machine).
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17:55<zykotick9>nyov: doesn't using a release out of security support, mean throwing out the whole security model already?
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17:57<nyov>no. it's not about using an old release, and as such not about ignoring security updates. it's about apt's security model having signed packages for authenticity instead of using secure connections for that
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18:01<nyov>anyway, i'm only looking for the history of a package, which has no upstream version control. i can work without the security model for this task
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18:25<Enta>Hiyo.
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18:27<Enta>I have a seemingly complicated APU temperature problem that I have not been as of yet able to fix following any google-related instructions, bug reports, etc. APU does not respond to _any_ power management interfaces, and the proprietary drivers crash xorg no matter what combination I've attempted.
18:27<Enta>On day 6 of troubleshooting this, if anyone can possibly help.
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18:35<retrospectacus>Enta: can you give a more detailed description of your problem including software names and versions
18:35<Enta>Certainly!
18:35<Enta>As I said, sixth day, so I've got a bit of a headache worth of data.
18:35<retrospectacus>and what is an "APU"
18:36<Brigo>aninterrupted power unit or something like it
18:36<Brigo>Auxiliary power unit
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18:37<retrospectacus>make and model then :)
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18:37<oldlaptop>you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_processing_unit
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18:38<Enta>System spec: AMD APU 4600m, laptop model HP DV6 7245-us. Proprietary drivers in both Debian Wheezy and Jessie (I am currently on Jessie) did not resolve the issue due to crashing xorg - and I tried a number of version matches, but unfortunately didn't care to write them down specifically. Latest drivers for both Wheezy and Debian both do not throttle the processor.
18:38<oldlaptop>I doubt GPU drivers will have anything to do with CPU throttling
18:38<oldlaptop>same chip, different device as far as software can tell
18:39<Enta>Um. In an APU it is. AMD proprietary GPU drivers handle throttling of the APU.
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18:40<oldlaptop>hm. I guess you've done the research and all that :)
18:40<Enta>I also updated the kernel to the latest version given in Jessie to no effect, as well as modified GRUB settings (nomodeset, radeon dynamic power management, etc). I've attempted several types of hardware power management interfaces with also no effect.
18:41<Enta>Proprietary drivers (fglrx) DO "work" for power management - but after install the system experiences one of a dozen errors, none of which are resolvable by debugging (or googling), customized xorg.conf, or automated configuration. Xorg would inevitably experience instability and crash in both Wheezy and Jessie.
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18:41<oldlaptop>(fglrx is nasty that way)
18:41<Enta>So I have confirmed that power management under Debian is possible, but the proprietary driver refuses to play nice with xorg.
18:42<Enta>Sadly it seems more an APU problem than a normal AMD GPU one.
18:42<Enta>The closest I've gotten to a stable configuration is using an outdated ATI installer from AMD's website (12.4 I think), but then a number of things would cause xorg to halt outright.
18:43<Enta>Even Iceweasel would halt xorg with a nonsense backtrace.
18:43<Enta>SO! In summary, I need to figure out some way to force my goddamned APU to throttle down and behave. :3
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18:44<Brigo>are we talking about amd fusion?, Enta
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18:44<Enta>Yes. It's called an APU.
18:44<Enta>But yes, fusion.
18:45<Enta>specifically the trinity core - which the kernel supports or is supposed to.
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18:47<Enta>This model of fusion core (the A10-4600m) uses the F7660G GPU.
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18:47<Enta>Derp. 7660G*
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18:47<rebli>is it possible to use a second net card, to access one particular ip address (192.168.1.126) ?
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18:48<Brigo>Enta, did you try this driver? libfglrx-amdxvba1
18:48<Brigo>rebli, 2 cards 1 ip?
18:48<oldlaptop>rebli: Can you expand on that a little?
18:48<oldlaptop>Do you want one machine to have two IP addresses?
18:49<Enta>brigo that driver is included as a dependency when I installed fglrx-driver in Jessie's repository.
18:49<retrospectacus>rebli: probably, but your goal description is unclear
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18:49<Enta>I have attempted crossing fglrx modules with the open source ATI ones provided by xorg already - they don't play nice.
18:49<Enta>:<
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18:49<Brigo>Enta, ok, this was the only one relationed with fusion in debian repository.
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18:50<retrospectacus>Enta: did you try this stuff https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling
18:51<Enta>Yes. I have been on this for about six days. I have attempted all the power management options provided in xorg configuration, kernel settings (that I found), cpufreq, and praying to cthulu.
18:52<Enta>I can "throttle down" the CPU to 1.4 ghz (it goes from 1.4 to 2.3), but the temperatures remain as if throttled up to 2.3.
18:52<Enta>So system reporting has to be wrong.
18:53<Enta>Dynamic throttling enabled by GRUB or the kernel does not work _AT ALL_.
18:53<Enta>Furthermore, dynamic cpufreq profiles are outright ignored too.
18:53<Enta>So. Yeah.
18:54<rebli>I have the pc connected to a router that is distant, it is on eth1 and ip 192.168.1.1, I must test a device that has ip 192.168.1.126
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18:55<rebli>and want it near, so I'd like to connect it to eth0 giving it the number 192.168.1.126,
18:55<Enta>I've also attempted fixes listed under multiple distributions, such as Ubuntu and so forth, as many of them are not architecture specific.
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18:56<Enta>Such as "echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch". Unfortunately this radeon model does not have that option.
18:56<retrospectacus>rebli: you can give your eth0 an ip like 192.168.1.250 and create a route via eth0 to 192.168.1.126
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18:58<Enta>Now what particularly confuses me is that I've found fixes listed where the OP has flagged as [solved], but do not work for me.
18:58<Enta>Example: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2201956
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18:58<Enta>That user has my exact model APU - the fix does not, however, work for me.
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19:01<rebli>retrospectacus: what must I use? ifconfig , and route also?
19:02<retrospectacus>yes both
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19:03<sleser>how do i chek if source list is curent or new
19:03<sleser>and where do i look at to see the new list
19:04<Brigo>hi sleser what about the disk? :)
19:04<sleser>disk works
19:04<sleser>the problem was the usb stick i instaled debian with
19:05<sleser>it stored it self in fstab
19:05<Brigo>sleser, you can automount it finaly?
19:05<sleser>so i had to r emoove that line
19:05<sleser>yes
19:05<Brigo>sleser, amazing.
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19:05<sleser>yeh i wondered to . why the stick worked and hd didnt
19:05<Brigo>sleser, ok and what do you meant about a if a source list is or not new?
19:05<sleser>it was that line . i had to remoove
19:06<retrospectacus>rebli: you can put a stanza in interfaces for eth0 with the IP and a "up route add ..." line
19:06<sleser>the source list i wanted to chek if the sites i have in there are new
19:06<sleser>or still good
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19:07<Brigo>paste it, and let see
19:07<sleser>i saw a pyton beeing old or something during . lunching the disk manager whitch i already remooved but is it important to update the pytonsomething
19:07<sleser>i forgot where the directory of the sourcelist was
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19:09<sleser>what was the source list directory again ?
19:10<Brigo> /etc/apt if you are talking about sources.lst
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19:11<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/104212/
19:12<Brigo>sleser, i think your sources.lst looks good, may be you want to add backports
19:13<Brigo>!tell sleser about backports
19:13<sleser>if the pyton is good i dont wana tuch nothing
19:13<sleser>what are backports for ?
19:13<Brigo>sleser, if you do not install foering software, then pthon should be good.
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19:13<rebli>retrospectacus: i'd prefer something at the command line...
19:14<Brigo>sleser, i ask dpkg bot to tell you.
19:15<sleser>!dpkg debian-backports
19:15<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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19:16<Brigo>sleser, do it in private chat, please :)
19:16<sleser>oh
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19:16<retrospectacus>rebli: a couple commands will do it. If you want it to be permanent config, put it in interfaces.
19:16<sleser>i dont realy install any foreign stuff . is there a way to chek anyhow if python is good ?
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19:18<Brigo>,v python
19:18<judd>Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.6-2; sid: 2.7.6-2
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19:18<Brigo>those are the python versions in diferents debian verisions.
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19:18<HD>hey
19:19<Brigo>so you should have 2.7.3-4+deb7u1
19:19<retrospectacus>HD: sup
19:19<HD>any way to get all linux-image- packages in armhf testing?
19:19<HD>https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie§ion=all&arch=armhf&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image fails on me, says "keyword too generic"
19:19<sleser>,v python didnt work
19:19<judd>Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.6-2; sid: 2.7.6-2
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19:20<sleser>where did you get that info from ?
19:20<retrospectacus>sleser: the judd robot knows it
19:21<sleser>i think i have the 2.6 and 2.7 installed
19:22<sleser>i should be good no ?
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19:23<rebli>retrospectacus: no permanent needs, but i don't know ifconfig and route enough ( I tried the option pointopoint with no result)
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19:24<retrospectacus>rebli: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.10 ; route add -host 192.168.1.126 dev eth0
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19:26<retrospectacus>rebli: and probably some other tweaks, I'd have to be there :P
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19:27<grummund>Hi, is it described anywhere the difference between standard and rescue ISOs?
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19:42<retrospectacus>HD: try searching for linux-image-armmp
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19:45<steve__>is there any way to make debian be more energy efficient on a laptop?
19:45<retrospectacus>!power saving
19:45<dpkg>"Power saving" is not just about hugging trees and avoiding <gentoo>, it is about making your battery last longer and your computer run more quietly (less power used = less heat produced = less fan usage = less noise). Ask me about <cpufreq>, <laptop mode>, <powertop>. See also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Ecology-HOWTO/ecology-howto-appendix-a-3.html . http://www.lesswatts.org/ #lesswatts on irc.oftc.net.
19:45<steve__>thanks
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19:46<steve__>lesswatts.org doesn't exist anymore. recommend link change
19:47<steve__>confirm?
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19:49<steve__>both links down, confirm?
19:49<retrospectacus>the TLDP one wfm
19:50<steve__>tried, tldp works
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19:52<steve__>my brightness controls are not working, how to go about?
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19:55<retrospectacus>steve__: did you install the laptop standard task?
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