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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-06-10

---Logopened Tue Jun 10 00:00:54 2014
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00:28<david_>hello all, new user here, just wanted to make sure that this is the main irc for debian, is it?
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00:35<LtL>david_: yes it is
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00:36<LtL>david_: there is another at chat.freenode.net too
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02:42<fr33domlover>Hello. If I want to backup my server and include a file listing all packages I have installed - so I can install exactly them in case something goes wrong - which file(s) do I need to backup?
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02:45<melmothX>!debian clone
02:45<dpkg>One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
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02:46<fr33domlover>melmothX, thanks
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03:20<leonell>hi, i installed a ttf font, and made all the required steps as usual, but neither fc-list, nor any other gtk font selection dialog, show this font as available. it's the ttf version of gohu font: http://font.gohu.org
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03:23<leonell>running fc-cache -fv on the directory, anyways, show the correct number of fonts including these ttf ones, but as said, fc-list don't show them
03:25<leonell>could anyone having some spare time test this on his box? it would be very helpful, thanks :)
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03:34<captnfab>leonell: where did you put your .ttf files?
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04:14<hydrazine>What would be the correct way to set a hostname and domain on debian?
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04:15<hydrazine>hostname I assume in /etc/hostname, but I'm never sure where to set the domain
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04:36<pops_>hi?
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04:37<pops_>hello?
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04:51<babilen>pops_: Hi, what can we help you with?
04:51<babilen>dpkg: tell hydrazine about hostname
04:52<pops_>how do I audit my system?
04:59<phillipsjk>That sounds like a big can-o-worms.
05:00<phillipsjk>cruft may be a starting point.
05:00<phillipsjk>!cruft
05:00<dpkg>well, cruft is a program to look over your system for anything that shouldn't be there, but is; or for anything that should be there, but isn't. To install it, type apt-get install cruft. It takes a while to run.
05:00<phillipsjk>Will give false-positives
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05:01<phillipsjk>sound like tripwire may be interesting too.
05:01<phillipsjk>!tripwire
05:01<dpkg>Open Source Tripwire (packaged for Debian as tripwire) is a host-based intrusion detection system. It monitors a designated set of files, notifying the system administrator about corruption or tampering. http://tripwire.sf.net/ http://sf.net/projects/tripwire
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05:05<hydrazine>thx babilen
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05:14<twb>I'm replacing ISC ntp with openntpd, because it's smaller and doesn't listen by default. For debugging, the manpage says to send SIGINFO -- but "kill -l" says I don't have an INFO signal on Debian.
05:14<twb>Any suggestions?
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05:15<maxb>I'd suggest not replacing ISC ntp with openntpd
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05:16<twb>:-/
05:16*maxb recalls going the other way in 2008-ish because openntpd wasn't actually keeping time well
05:17<pops_>What about Bi
05:17<twb>that was, coincidentally, the last time openntpd was updated in debian
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05:17<pops_>ios and usb malwayer?
05:17<twb>OTOH compare https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/ntp chrony & openntpd
05:18<pops_>how do I audit bios and peripheral firmware?
05:18<twb>you generally can't audit firmware
05:19<ectospasm>trade secrets 'n stuff
05:19<ectospasm>knowing the firmware means one could reverse engineer the hardware, in general.
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05:20<pops_>experience with ram forensics, anyone?
05:21<twb>I just run memtest86/+
05:22<ectospasm>memtest86+ won't catch all errors though
05:22<ectospasm>it especially won't test MMUs
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05:22<ectospasm>or at least, wouldn't the last time I tried it.
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05:27<twb>I'm happy to hear about better ways
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05:32<ectospasm>whenever I get new PC hardware, I run memtest86+ for at least 24 hours, to test the RAM. Then I install an OS on the hard drive, and run the mprime (Mersene prime) blend test (tests CPU+RAM) for about a week (assuming I can wait that long before I start using the hardware).
05:33<ectospasm>Mersenne*
05:34*funkyHat is much too impatient to wait even 24 hours after getting new hardware to actually use it, let alone a week
05:34<twb>ectospasm: and conveyance tests I hope
05:34<twb>Doesn't memtest do mersenne twister?
05:34<twb>is that different from mersenne prime?
05:35<ectospasm>funkyHat: seeing as I usually intend to use my hardware for at least half a decade, I like to test it all before I put it in production.
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05:36<ectospasm>twb: The Mersenne Prime theorem (or postulate, whatever the hell it is) states that 2^n - 1 *may* be prime.
05:36<ectospasm>the MPrime search searches for those prime numbers.
05:37<ectospasm>their algorithms are quite good at testing hardware (CPU+RAM combos)
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05:38<ectospasm>Like in this machine, I kept getting memtest86+ errors. Tracked it down to one stick... they had to replace it twice before it ran long enough for my liking with no errors.
05:38<twb>Well I guess you need separate tests for the integer and float units, surely?
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05:39<ectospasm>I think the blend test does a lot of different stuff
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06:57<mpourhadi>hey guys i try to install java and i mees things up too badly
06:58<mpourhadi>i used to have openjdk but i did update-alternative with the java that i downloaded and extracted now when i try yo get java -version there is no java
06:58<mpourhadi>how can i fix this issue
06:59<mpourhadi>and i really desperately need it
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07:02<musca>mpourhadi: why and what did you download and extract?
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07:04<musca>!install java
07:04<dpkg>For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package (install icedtea6-plugin for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"). For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>.
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07:19<mpourhadi>musca, becuz i needed the sun-java not openjdk
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07:19<mpourhadi>and my country is embargoed by oracle
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07:22<babilen>mpourhadi: Does that mean that you cannot use Oracle's Java? Are you aware that OpenJDK is the official reference implementation for current Java versions?
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07:23<mpourhadi>babilen, yea im aware of that and my update-alternative doesnt work either there errors are too many levels of symbolic links
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07:24<mpourhadi>i did update-alternatives and it mess everything up
07:24<babilen>mpourhadi: So undo whatever you did manually before (I have no idea what you did and you also did not answer musca's earlier question)
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07:25<babilen>mpourhadi: Feel free to paste your entire commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net
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07:42<mpourhadi>i cant use pastebi fellas
07:43<mpourhadi>wat is projecthoneypot.org? at pastebin its gives error my ip is listed in dat website
07:43<musca>http://paste.debian.net
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07:46<mpourhadi>may i use another pastebin?
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07:48<mpourhadi>update-alternatives: warning: alternative /usr/java/jdk1.7.0_60/bin/java (part of link group java) doesn't exist; removing from list of alternatives
07:48<mpourhadi>update-alternatives: error: cannot stat file '/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java': Too many levels of symbolic links
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07:48<mpourhadi>error are this sorry musca
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07:49<mpourhadi>sorry for troubled i just apt-get upgrade ed and problem fixed
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07:52<antifa>hello
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07:53<antifa>how can I get more screenlets ? mint sais It can't add the ppa source and the site is disabled :(
07:54<babilen>dpkg: mint
07:54<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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07:58<antifa>oh sory !
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08:01<apessoa>i there
08:01<apessoa>i'm using debian wheezy with mate
08:02<apessoa>whenever i mute the sound through the volume control applet
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08:02<apessoa>i'm unable to enable the sound again through the applet
08:02<apessoa>i can only do it through alsamixer
08:03<apessoa>i experimented with fluxbox and the same thing happens
08:03<apessoa>also with xfce volume control applet
08:03<apessoa>any ideas on what's causing the problem and how to solve it?
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08:04<Brigo>apessoa, i think that is a reported bug, there was more people asking here the same. I guess it will be solved in futures releases.
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08:18<vovkav>hi! I've set up an old debian box as a router. I would like to have periodic full backups of root fs so that the restoration is as simple as it could be and without stopping/rebooting the box... Long time ago I used mkcdrec - it made iso cd images, that once booted, restored hdd semi-automatically. what is the closest solution for debian stable nowadays?
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08:24<daemonkeeper>vovkav: Use LVM/btrfs snapshots
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08:51<apessoa>brigo, thank for answering
08:51<Radon_3>Maybe this is not the right place to ask this but how is the naming process of each debian release, like where are the names "wheezy" or "sarge" come from?
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08:51<Brigo>apessoa, np
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08:52<apessoa>brigo: i've been searching for bug reports and the only one I found related to this issue was #645063, but apparently it was closed back in 2012 as being a mate issue
08:52<apessoa>which i can confirm it isn't
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08:53<apessoa>anyway, i'll ask around at the mate channels, maybe they can point me in the right direction
08:53<Brigo>apessoa, if you can reproduce the bug without mate, and you can
08:54<Radon_3>anyone?
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08:58<Brigo>Radon_3, from stoy story film
08:59<Radon_3>Brigo: really?
08:59<Radon_3>or joking?
08:59<Brigo>Radon_3, ask wikipedia and see yourself
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09:01<Brigo>Radon_3, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Debian_release_code_names
09:02<Radon_3>WOW, didn't know this, folks, do you think we might run into problems withpixar in the future?
09:02<Radon_3>I mean copyright stuff...
09:02<Radon_3>I really don't need that in the future.
09:03<devil>if it has not happened until now, why would it in the future?
09:03<petn-randall>Radon_3: To my knowledge you can't "copyright" common first names, they're all prior art.
09:03<Brigo>Radon_3, if pixart say something we will use names from sreek or ice age or something else :)
09:04<Radon_3>I see
09:04<Radon_3>:)
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09:04<Radon_3>now that's brilliant
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09:07<Radon_3>can't w8 to get my hands on jessie, if you know what I mean...
09:07<Radon_3>she seems sweet
09:08<Radon_3>JK
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09:16<Radon_3>And I was not speaking sexually... than you guys for the info ~ I <3 debian
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09:21<jermia>test
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09:22<faoziaziz>i costumize xubuntu, and in quite splash mode can'not loging on
09:22<sney>!ubuntuirc
09:22<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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09:51<rah>I run make-kpkg with fakeroot
09:51<rah>I have done for years
09:52<rah>I just tried to compile 3.15 as I always do
09:52<rah>for some reason, I now have an error:
09:52<petn-randall>!enter
09:52<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
09:52<rah>ERROR: could not open directory /lib/modules/3.15.0-linux-3.0-latest-72: No such file or directory
09:53<rah>there are other errors too
09:53<rah>full output is here: http://paste.debian.net/104289/
09:54<rah>ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
09:55<petn-randall>rah: The recommended way to do this is to run 'make debpkg' and then install the resulting .deb. 'make-kpkg' has been deprecated for a while.
09:55<rah>oh really?
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09:57<rah>petn-randall: I have custom numbering in the package versions, can I replicate that with "make debpkg"?
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09:58<towo^work>rah, edit the Makefile
09:59<petn-randall>rah: what towo^work said
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09:59<towo^work>and the target is deb-pkg 😉
10:00<rah>umm
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10:00<rah>but then won't future patches from kernel.org fail?
10:00<petn-randall>rah: Just revert the Makefile then.
10:01<rah>I don't want to fiddle around with that
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10:02<petn-randall>rah: It's the recommended way though. If you want to do it differently, that's ok, but you'll have to ask #linux, since this isn't related to any packages in Debian.
10:02<rah>petn-randall: make-kpkg is in the Debian package kernel-package
10:02<rah>that's why I'm asking here..
10:03<petn-randall>rah: ... and I already said it's deprecated.
10:03<rah>but.. it's related to packages in Debian
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10:05<petn-randall>rah: It still works with old kernel version, which is why it's still there. If you don't want to do it the recommended way, that's fine. You've been told all the relevant info already. Good luck.
10:07<rah>petn-randall: what does "deprecated" mean in this case, exactly?
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10:10<petn-randall>rah: it won't be actively developed anymore, but it's still there during the transition phase.
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10:11<petn-randall>rah: Looking at the changelog from sid, it appears that development picked up again last month after a two-year hiatus, maybe it'll be in a usable condition some time in the future.
10:11<rah>petn-randall: I don't understand
10:11<petn-randall>4 years even.
10:11<rah>petn-randall: you just said it was deprecated, now you're saying it'll be usable in the future
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10:12<rah>petn-randall: why would development have picked up if it was deprecated?
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10:12<rah>petn-randall: what does "deprecated" mean in this case, exactly?
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10:12<petn-randall>rah: Because it hasn't been developed on between 2010 and April 2014. Some people want to see it in good shape again, and are working on it. But who knows if it will be in a good shape any time in the future.
10:13<petn-randall>rah: The kernel-package from wheezy is effectively from 2010. Which Debian release are you running?
10:13<rah>petn-randall: surely the appropriate word to describe such a package is "abandoned", not "deprecated"?
10:13<rah>"deprecated" implies that it would be inappropriate to ask questions about it in #debian
10:13<petn-randall>rah: Name it however you want.
10:14<rah>whereas it seems questions about the package are quite valid here
10:14<petn-randall>rah: Which release are you running at the moment?
10:14<rah>I'm running Wheezy
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10:25<thedoctor>lol
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10:26<thedoctor>identify this pounk
10:27<petn-randall>thedoctor: Do you have a Debian support question?
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10:27<thedoctor>word to you mama
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10:34<HellkinG>..
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10:34<Slappy>Hello. I am wanting to do some experiments with the debian wheezy in virtualbox. Dose anyone happen to know where to fine a list of all exploits/vulnerability's of wheezy? The point of the experiment is to learn how to fix the week points.
10:35<sakax>all known vulnerabilities are fixed like it should be
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10:36<sakax>debian does not have patch tuesdays like microsoft ;)
10:36<Slappy>There is always something
10:36<sakax>0days of course, but these are not indexed
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10:37<petn-randall>Slappy: If it's already known, and there is already an exploit to abuse the hole, it's surely fixed in Debian.
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10:37<Slappy>I wouldn't think a zero day would be. Thanks anyway
10:37<petn-randall>Slappy: You could try to install an outdated 7.0 though, there might be a few holes (e.g. heartbleed).
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10:38<sakax>0days are not "known"
10:39<Slappy>Petn-randall that is one thing I love about linux so many people to stay on top of these things and how the ability to patch the hole rapidly is always nice
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10:40<rah>I run make-kpkg with fakeroot
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10:41<rah>I have done for years. I just tried to compile 3.15 as I always do. For some reason, I now have an error:
10:41<rah>ERROR: could not open directory /lib/modules/3.15.0-linux-3.0-latest-72: No such file or directory
10:41<rah>There are other errors too. The full output is here: http://paste.debian.net/104289/
10:41<rah>ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
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10:43<petn-randall>rah: We already discussed this. Use 'make deb-pkg'.
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10:46<rah>petn-randall: you can't help me but that doesn't mean there aren't others who can
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10:47<petn-randall>rah: Agreed. But they'll likely ask your for the complete command and the full output of your paste, then tell you to use 'make deb-pkg'.
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10:48<rah>petn-randall: you telling me your beliefs isn't much help to me
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11:29<aj4>Hi folks
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11:30<Guest13180>So, i screwed up, double tapped delete in the bin folder as root. Best way to replace su-to-root in the bin folder when i can't undelete?
11:30<aj4>I have a situation with Apache2 + SSL
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11:31<aj4>I need to deactivate sslv2
11:31<aj4>This is my configuration:
11:31<aj4>SSLProtocol +TLSv1
11:31<aj4>SSLHonorCipherOrder On
11:31<laice>http://www.linux4beginners.info/node/disable-sslv2
11:31<aj4>SSLCipherSuite RC4-SHA:HIGH:!ADH
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11:33<helmut_>hi
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12:22<rah>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=745686
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12:48<sdes>Hi guys
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12:49<sdes>Thanks a lot! Openbox now works. For some reason a lot of settings I made were deleted but that's okay, I can set them back again.
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13:36<c_gone>Is anyone waiting for a debian related answer? Sorry peeps, just got in.
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13:37<mtn>c_gone: yup, we have just waiting for you :P
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13:37<c_gone>:)
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13:37<c_gone>all is well in the debian stable frontier then? GOOD.
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13:40<redondos>I'm trying to get dpkg to replace a configuration file while installing a package but it's not working. is this the right way to do it?
13:40<redondos>apt-get -q -y -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install nginx=1:1.6.0-3.4.0.44~precise1
13:40<redondos>(oops you're going to bash me when you read 'precise1')
13:41<jmcnaught>redondos: indeed, #ubuntu on freenode is probably the place you're looking for
13:41<redondos>what's happening is that it's still asking me if i want to replace it
13:41<redondos>this is apt/dpkg-related
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13:44<Radon_3>Alright, Iwanna get it out in the open, I can't keep it in my heart anymore, and I obviously need help. well what steps should I take right after I install debian from a DVD set, and with no Internet connection (only there is no Internet connection during the installation, so that it would remain more secure) to make my debian installation secure?
13:44<blast007>redondos: if you're running Ubuntu, it's still something you should ask them
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13:45<redondos>--force-confnew is what i was looking for
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13:46<c_gone>Radon_3, http://www.debian.org/security/
13:46<musca>Ewww, triple pain: -q -y --force-overwrite
13:46<jmcnaught>Radon_3: https://www.debian.org/doc/ has a link to the "securing debian manual", and there's also chapters about security in the Debian Administrator's Handbook
13:46<retrospectacus>Radon_3: lock the door
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13:47<Radon_3>retrospectacus: :)
13:47<c_gone>redondos, Ubuntu is a debian derivative, choose the appropriate channel please.
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13:48<Radon_3>retrospectacus: I have a big ass DSL line hooked up to my dear debian, locking the door wouldn't do any good.
13:48<retrospectacus>I thought you said no Internet
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13:48<c_gone>Radon_3, please read what users here suggest
13:49<Radon_3>retrospectacus: yeah, only during the installation, but after the installation is done, I have to use the Internet.
13:49<Radon_3>c_gone: alright mate.
13:49<c_gone>peeps, I'm too tired for proper support -without extreme humor.
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13:49<retrospectacus>Radon_3: ah, well having a router, and keeping up on security updates should do it. Read jmcnaught's advice too
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13:50<c_gone>If you want EXTREME security on-line Radon_3 get a flash disk and put tails on it. For us here, try:
13:50<retrospectacus>the biggest threat to the security of a PC is the intelligence of the humans that use it
13:50<c_gone>!tell Radon_3 about harden
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13:51<retrospectacus>or lack thereof
13:51<c_gone>got that from the bot Radon_3?
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13:52<Radon_3>c_gone: I don't know why I can't trust tails, as much as I can trust debian itself with no "tails!!!!" left behind, if you know what I mean
13:52<Radon_3>yeahI got it
13:52<c_gone>ok man, bye bye now peeps, stick with debian.
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13:54<junkmechanic_>is it my connection or the debian sources have been acting bitchy?
13:54<retrospectacus>it's that time of the month
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13:55<junkmechanic_>haha...
13:55<junkmechanic_>is it really?
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13:56<retrospectacus>I'm not having any trouble. You'll have to show us your command and output if you want a more relevant answer... http://paste.debian.net
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13:57<junkmechanic_>i get a 101 network is not reachable ?
13:57<retrospectacus>see above re: full command and output
13:58<junkmechanic_>hah..ok...
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13:59<junkmechanic_>retrospectacus, http://paste.debian.net/104323/
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14:01<junkmechanic_>my connection i guess...?
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14:01<retrospectacus>it is trying to use ipv6 for some reason
14:01<retrospectacus>did you update first?
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14:03<junkmechanic_>i did...it would error out for some repos and then i one out of 5 runs it would succeed....lemme paste the output of the last two runs
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14:04<junkmechanic_>retrospectacus, http://paste.debian.net/104324/
14:05<junkmechanic_>retrospectacus, how did you figure out the ipv6 thing...?
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14:05<blast007>junkmechanic_: are you running crunchbang?
14:05<retrospectacus>swap out http.debian.net for a closeby mirror and get rid of the crunchbang junk
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14:06<retrospectacus>you've probably already made your system unsupportable with that crap
14:07<junkmechanic_>haha...such disgust for it
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14:07<retrospectacus>pretty easy to see why
14:08<junkmechanic_>well i am not so experienced...so i cant even see that...care to elaborate a bit on that...?...will try research on your pointers..
14:09<junkmechanic_>blast007, sure am..."crunchbang junk"
14:09<retrospectacus>!install debian
14:09<dpkg>There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
14:09<retrospectacus>that's really all we can offer you
14:09<retrospectacus>it will fix your problem :)
14:10<jmcnaught>junkmechanic_: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian see the part about FrankenDebian
14:10<junkmechanic_>jmcnaught, retrospectacus thanks...will check
14:11<SamB>did I tell you guys about the BZR people who told me it's perfectly safe to add their PPAs to my sources.list
14:11<junkmechanic_>when i moved from ubuntu i first tried to install debian...that didnt go well...gnome was too obtrusive and i think i broke a lot of it during the first fer hours...
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14:13<junkmechanic_>crunchbang was tab bit easier to deal with...anyway no point blowing that horn here...
14:13<jmcnaught>junkmechanic_: if you're new to Debian you should use Stable (Wheezy) for a while to get used to it. Jessie can be used too, but sometimes stuff breaks and it's confusing if you don't know how to fix stuff
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14:14<junkmechanic_>i would if I could...but there are certain versions that are only on jessie..for example thunar 1.6
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14:14<jmcnaught>junkmechanic_: do you *need* new versions, or just *want* them?
14:15<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell junkmechanic_ about sns
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14:17<junkmechanic_>certain features are not at all present in 1.2...one of these ( most important for me) is multi tab support..
14:17<junkmechanic_>couldnt find anything regarding sns...anymore keywords that i can use to search sns ?
14:18<mtn>junkmechanic_: google should help
14:18<jmcnaught>junkmechanic_: did you get the message from the dpkg bot? SNS is "shiny new stuff syndrome"
14:19<junkmechanic_>oh...yeah..thats the keyword i meant for google....hah...no need to search...
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14:19<phillipsjk>Sometimes upstream does not support debian-stable versions.
14:20<junkmechanic_>oh just noticed the msg...i was expecting it on this channel so didnt notice the msg.....
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14:21<jmcnaught>junkmechanic_: you can converse with the bot by typing in other keys.. backports and ssb might be of interest to you if you want to use Wheezy but get new versions of one or two packages
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14:21<jmcnaught>junkmechanic_: it doesn't look like thunar can be backported easily right now though
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14:23<junkmechanic_>yeah...i used to source nvidia packages from backports...
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14:24<jmcnaught>phillipsjk: i blame ubuntu for this. my friend uses some closed photo editing software that requires glibc 2.15. Their support told him to use a more "contemporary linux distro"
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14:28<phillipsjk>I personally had problems with Ekiga. Apparently they had more style than substance :P
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14:45<junkmechanic_>! ssb
14:45<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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14:58<laice>should libimobiledevice 1.1.6 have sorted the trust loop issue with ios7?
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15:06<xormor>can I use Ubuntu .deb packages in Debian stable 7.5 and vice versa, Debian .deb packages in Ubuntu?
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15:07<xormor>hello. have a good evening, gentlemen and ladies.
15:08<xormor>I do not discriminate between different flavors of distros based on Debian.
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15:18<Radon_3>Hi folks, I want to disallow all kinds of incoming connections from the internet, will runing these commands do it? http://paste.debian.net/104337/ I want all my ports, be stealth to the internet, and yet I wantto be able to browse the web normally.
15:19<laice>easiest way would be to use ufw, set default to deny and allow port 80/tcp?
15:19<Radon_3>laice: I understand, but what is wrong with my set of commands?
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15:20<michael_>I think what you did should work. just fine
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15:32<AnaPanna>haha
15:32<AnaPanna>sorry :P
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16:20<thedoctor>hi
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16:21<musca>hiho thedoctor
16:22<thedoctor>now run
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16:26<thedoctor>failed to understand the joke i gusse
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16:28<thedoctor>hi
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16:32<sney>thedoctor: this is a support channel for debian users, do you have a question?
16:32<thedoctor>hi
16:32<sney>if you just want to play around try #moocows
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16:33<thedoctor>whats up ?
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16:38<arielsanflo>help
16:38<sney>!ask
16:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:39<arielsanflo>http://paste.debian.net/104355/ eric5 no func
16:40<mtn>arielsanflo: what is eric5?
16:40<arielsanflo>that gives me errors and does not start
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16:40<arielsanflo>ide python
16:40<sney>it's a python IDE apparently
16:41<retrospectacus>it shouldn't be run as root, to start
16:41<John[Lisbeth]>what you have to understand is
16:41<John[Lisbeth]>when you use sudo, you give your user root privelages
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16:41<John[Lisbeth]>and your home folder is /home/<username>
16:41<John[Lisbeth]>when you use su to become root, you have a different home folder
16:41<John[Lisbeth]>and that is the main reason it screws things up
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16:42<sney>John[Lisbeth]: that's not strictly accurate and probably not relevant here
16:42<John[Lisbeth]>also when you run things as root it can change the ownership of files
16:42<John[Lisbeth]>I am referring to retrospectacus's comment
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16:42<John[Lisbeth]>and explaining something that took me a while to understand
16:42<sney>I can tell, but the other env changes are more likely to be the problem. (such as DISPLAY.)
16:43<sney>arielsanflo: does it start if you run it as a normal user?
16:43<arielsanflo>the error is still running it non-root
16:43<sney>ok. I'm not too familiar with python but that looks like it could be a missing dependency.
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16:44<arielsanflo>gives the same error when starting regular
16:45<sney>what debian version?
16:45<arielsanflo>Linux arielsanflo 3.14-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.14.5-1 (2014-06-05) x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:46<sney>cat /etc/debian_version
16:46<arielsanflo>jessie/sid
16:47<sney>sometimes packages are broken in testing(jessie) or unstable(sid). that's why they are called testing and unstable. you shouldn't use them if you expect things to work all the time
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16:49<arielsanflo>if I'm aware of that is a mistake because recently worked well
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16:50<sney>sid and testing both change all the time so saying "it worked recently" doesn't predict the future
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16:50<sney>I just tried installing it and python3-pyqt4 have been updated in the past week. when did you install eric?
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16:51<sney>ok, I get the same error. it's a bug.
16:51<sney>please report the bug so the package maintainer can fix it.
16:51<retrospectacus>try python3-pyqt4.qsci from sid?
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16:51<sney>I track sid and the same thing happens here
16:52<retrospectacus>arielsanflo: may I add: thank you for testing the next release of Debian for us :)
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17:06<hjoy>Just installed debian 7.0.0 from scratch. Trying to install gnome GUI, but have no internet connection. Just the CD. Anyone got a tips for me?
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17:07<retrospectacus>hjoy: "apt-get install gnome" should install it from the cd
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17:48<sclytrack>Do you guys run testing when creating a new debian package?
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17:48<sclytrack>unstable?
17:49<bernat>where is it going to be used?
17:49<sclytrack>What do you mean?
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17:50<bernat>is it meant for testing or unstable?
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17:51<sclytrack>Don't all new packages need to go from unstable to testing?
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17:51<John[Lisbeth]>I am running testing and I want to add an unofficial repo for stable. Is this a dangerous thing?
17:51<bernat>are you packaging for Debian?
17:51<bernat>John[Lisbeth]: yes
17:52<bernat>sclytrack: is your package going to be included in Debian?
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17:52<sclytrack>I'm not yet planning on packaging, just scouting
17:52<bernat>John[Lisbeth]: using unofficial repos is unsupported, do it at your own risk
17:52<sclytrack>bernat: yes
17:53<John[Lisbeth]>bernat: I am not worried about the unofficial nature of the repos so much as I am worried about using a stable repo in testing
17:53<bernat>John[Lisbeth]: that's ironic
17:53<oldlaptop>John[Lisbeth]: A better idea would be to build the desired packages manually
17:54<John[Lisbeth]>It's proprietary
17:54<oldlaptop>darn
17:54<John[Lisbeth]>I'd build it myself I had the code
17:54<oldlaptop>try in a VM first? :)
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17:55<bernat>sclytrack: if your package were going to enter Debian you should use unstable, and also join #debian-mentors
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17:57<sclytrack>What if the package only has dependencies that are already in testing.
17:57<bernat>why does that matter?
17:57<sclytrack>I don't understand. I'll check out debian-mentors.
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17:58<John[Lisbeth]>I found a .deb file for Jessie (testing). Thanks guys !
17:58<oldlaptop>always nice to cut the knot
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18:02<sclytrack>I asked the same question, I get no response. The question must not make much sense.
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18:03<sclytrack>in debian-mentors
18:04<sclytrack>I'll continue how to create a debian package tomorrow, it's midnight.
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18:05<bernat>you can read the Debian developer docs, they might help you
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18:58<Guest13220>Is there a way to install compiz on gnome 3?
18:58<retrospectacus>no
18:59<Guest13220>What all desk tops will it work on?
18:59<retrospectacus>some old unsupported OSs perhaps
18:59<Guest13220>Or is there something like compiz that can go on gnome 3
19:00<retrospectacus>compiz was a technology demonstration/preview and aspects of it have been used in modern WMs
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19:49<shadowbri>waz up evryone
19:49<retrospectacus>debian rules
19:49<shadowbri>hell yeah
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19:49<shadowbri>waz up
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19:50<shadowbri>how like metal
19:50<retrospectacus>wat
19:50<retrospectacus>!ot
19:50<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
19:51<shadowbri>who llike metal
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19:51<retrospectacus>shadowbri: do you have a Debian question?
19:52<shadowbri>what that????
19:52<retrospectacus>read what dpkg said ^^
19:52<shadowbri>oh
19:52<shadowbri>ok
19:52<shadowbri>i get it now
19:53<shadowbri>what debian
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19:54<shadowbri>hello
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20:01<phillipsjk>Debian is a contraction of Debbie and Ian. One of the ~5 major distros before the .com boom.
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21:37<rryoumaa>how do i remove a notification from the screen after i use notify-send? it stays there and ps is not showing the message or notify-send.
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21:39<rryoumaa>well, apparently it is some xfce daemon, which i just killed
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22:15<Yanee>HOLA
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23:12<jonadab>Buenos dias.
23:12<jonadab>Err, I guess that should be noches at this hour.
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23:25<oldlaptop>it's dias somewhere
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23:42<jonadab>True.
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23:51<htmldrum>Just ditched gnome-ubuntu for wheezy. Wanted to say thanks: Thanks, Debian <3
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