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00:33<finn>I'm trying to install debian with RAID and full disk crypto, and I hear LVM will be good to throw into the mix as well. how do I go about doing this?
00:33<finn>ive googled quite a bit and everything seems for either very old versions or for adding that to an existing installation
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00:36<jmcnaught>finn: the debian installer can do all of this. it's covered in the installation manual on the website, but you could also experiment with the options in the installer.. it has a guided encrypted LVM that sets it all up for you
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00:36<finn>jmcnaught: will it do software raid too?
00:36<serpardum>I am looking to install Ventrillo using wine. However, in wine configuration for Audio the only option for Output device etc.. is (System default) with no other choices. But I use a USB headset which is the second device. Test sound does nothing. How do I get wine configuration to recognize my USB headset?
00:36<finn>i saw LVM and encrypted LVM, but nothing about raid
00:37<jmcnaught>finn: yes it can do software raid too, but you might need to select the "manual" option.
00:37<finn>where is this installation manual?
00:37<finn>eh nvm i'll google
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00:43<finn>so do i want to RAID the two physical disks together, then make an LVM group on top of that, then an encrypted volume?
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00:43<finn>i tried RAID -> crypto -> LVM and it wouldnt get past GRUB, but that may have been something else i missed up
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00:54<phillipsjk>serpardum, have you tried running the wine configuration utility? ( don't have it installed myself, so don't know what knobs are available) Presumably you can configure what hardware wine sees.
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01:03<serpardum>In wine configuration for audio the only optoin for Output device etc.. is (system default)
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01:05<Guest13990>This is interesting. I am working on desktop sharing, trying to connect to another computer on my local network. Somehow the thing is connecting to itself. The screen is like when you look in a mirror and you see an infinite set of images, one inside the other
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01:13<serpardum>I've done that before. Controlled a computer by itself.
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01:15<db3>I have debian gnome running in a virtual machine on windows 7. I would like to create a VNC connection to another computer on the same local network. On the other computer, the operating system in Debian
01:15<db3>I cannot get these two things to see each other
01:15<db3>I think it probably has to do with the virtual machine
01:16<db3>I am running remote desktop viewer on each
01:16<phillipsjk>can the VMs ping each other?
01:17<db3>There is only one VM. The other install of Debian is the main operating sys on the other computer
01:17<phillipsjk>The Windows host would need to be configure as either a router (layer 3) or a bridge (layer 2).
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01:18<db3>The debian install is running through VM Virtual Box
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01:19<Eino>db3: put them both to have a network interface that is 'Host only adapter'
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01:20<db3>I dont know how to do that. By Both, do you mean #1 the virtual debian install running in VM in Windows, and #2 the Actual Debian install running on another computer?
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01:21<Eino>oh sorry, I read that wrong
01:21<Eino>I thought you had two virtual machines
01:21<phillipsjk>My fault. (sorry)
01:22<db3>I am going to head back to the windows machine
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01:24<Guest13990>I am at IPV4 settings on the virtual install of debian
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01:30<jpinx>db3: check that the vm can ping the outside world. I am assuming that the other debian on metal can too...
01:30<jpinx>also - check that the windows host can see the debain machine.
01:30<Guest13990>the VM can ping to the outside world, the internet works etc
01:31<Guest13990>The windows host shows the network as "Virtual Network" and it also shows the LAN network
01:31<jpinx>ok - sound like bridging is on for the vm -- can the windows host ping the other box of debian ?
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01:31<jpinx>Guest13990: can the debian box ping the outside world ?
01:31<Guest13990>I am not sure how to do that. Do I open a terminal in the virtual debian in windows, and then type ?? along with the IP address of the computer with real debian
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01:32<jpinx>Guest13990: yes what ?
01:32<Guest13990>It can ping the outside world
01:32<jpinx>what can ping the outside world ?
01:32<jpinx>be very specific
01:32<Guest13990>nevermind. How can I ping a machine?
01:32<Guest13990>Open a terminal first>
01:32<jpinx>ping 123.465.222.111
01:33<Guest13990>type that at the terminal?
01:33<jpinx>type the IP of the machine you want to ping
01:33<Guest13990>just have to find the terminal
01:33<phillipsjk>Not *exactly* that, but yes.
01:33<jpinx>Guest13990: sounds like you are randomly trying things -- not a good way to fix a problem ;)
01:34<Guest13990>yes pretty much. I typed ping and it seems to be going through that procecess
01:34<Guest13990>Now I guess I need the ip address of the computer with real debian runniing
01:35<Guest13990>Is there an IPconfig like tool to use in linux at the terminal?
01:35<Guest13990>I usually use that to identify the ip address on a windows machine
01:35<jpinx>Guest13990: as root - run ifconfig
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01:36<phillipsjk>if you found a terminal /sbin/ifconfig should tell you. alternatively the Connection information in Network manager should tell you that.
01:36<Guest13990>Ok will try that
01:36*jpinx doesn't have a network manager :(
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01:37<db3>Ok on the other computer
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01:37<jpinx>db3: define "other"
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01:37<jpinx>db3: seeing as you have 3 os's running
01:37<phillipsjk>The bare-matel Debian box I belive
01:38<db3>I am currently o the bare metal debian box if that means an actual PC with Debian directly installed with no other operating system.
01:38<jpinx>db3 did you run ifconfig?
01:38<jpinx>as root,,,,
01:38<db3>I am getting there
01:39<jpinx>debugging multiple os's can be confusing ;)
01:40<db3>is it ifconfig or ipconfig?
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01:41<phillipsjk>presumably you can use the same tool for IPX/SPX networks (though I have never done it)
01:42<db3>running terminal with root only gives me a black screen
01:42<db3>with no prompt
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01:43<phillipsjk>got to edit>preferences and change the back-ground color.
01:43<db3>the point of all this is just to get the ip address of this bare metal debian
01:43<jmcnaught>"ip a" can show IP addresses. Also you don't need to be root to run ifconfig to see IP addresses, but /sbin is usually not in regular user's path.
01:43<db3>Can I get the ip address from network connections?
01:43<phillipsjk>or blindly type xterm & for a better terminal.
01:44<db3>blindly typing xterm worked, now I have a white screen
01:44<phillipsjk>there may be a network manager icon in th etop right corner
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01:45<phillipsjk>no command prompt?
01:46<db3>I do have it, and I think I have th ip address now. Switching back to the virtual debian
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01:47<Guest13990>Ok I am back at the virtual install of debian and am going to try to ping the ip address I obtained earlier
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01:48<phillipsjk>I assume you know is just local-host.
01:49<Guest13990>I sort of know that yet I dont know what that really means or what effect it has here
01:49<jpinx>Guest13990: it's probably a number starting with
01:49<Guest13990>kind of pushing buttons and trying things
01:49<Guest13990>Yes, I have it
01:49<Guest13990>I pined it and it seemed to be working fine
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01:50<jpinx>ok - now you can ssh into it and save yourself dodging between hardware ;)
01:50<Guest13990>yeah I am going to wear out the monitor cable, usb plub etc
01:51<Guest13990>I have never used ssh
01:51<phillipsjk>Now you want to try pinging the other way: bare metal box -> VM (you can use SSH if you want)
01:51<Guest13990>Ok I will give it a try
01:51<Guest13990>So you are saying to go ssh to the bare metal box, then from there ping back to the VM?
01:52<Radix>hi folks, it appears that my original nick has been blocked on all debian related IRC channels on all networks, and Ithink it maybe because I asked the same exact question on different channels, how can I get my nick unblocked? I swear I didn't know we couldn't do that, and I promise not to this ever again in the rest of my sad lonely life...
01:53<Guest13990>is ssh run from the terminal?
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01:53<jeep>Radix: what name ?
01:53<phillipsjk>Guest13990, if it woks, it would be easier than unplugging the monitor, keyboard, etc. I gather that is why you want VNC working. I don't think the ssh daemon runs by default though.
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01:54<Radix>I am terribly sorry about this, I never wanted or never want to hurt debian, my real nick, is Radon_3 ... :(
01:54<Guest13990>Yes that is why. I thought that just swapping the plugs would be no problem but actually it has been a huge pain
01:54<phillipsjk>Yes, run from terminal. If the user name is different you have to specify it
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01:55<Guest13990>I dont know the username so I will have to switch back over, be right back
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01:56<Radix>I am so sorry you guys... I am really blushing, and my ass is literally sweating.. OMG
01:56<phillipsjk> for example I use: "ssh -XC" to connect to my remote machine.
01:56<db3>I found my username, turns out it is db3
01:56<db3>back to the vm
01:57<phillipsjk>.. you could have just pinged without ssh...
01:57<Radix>jeep: any news?
01:57<Guest13990>Well I have it for now. So now I am going to ssh at the terminal to db3
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01:59<curiousdude>hello world
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02:00<Guest13990>i typed ssh XC - db3 and received the message "Could not resolve host name". Does this need to be at root?
02:01<curiousdude>yo do ssh root@hostname
02:01<jpinx>Guest13990: use the ip number
02:01<Guest13990>Ok I will do the ip number..oh I see how it is formatted now thanks
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02:02<phillipsjk>annie does not actually have a public IP... it is multiplexed until I get IPv6 working.
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02:04<Radix>thank you fellas anyways. I am still terribly sorry :(
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02:05<Guest13990>connection timed out
02:05<jpinx>Guest13990: do you have ssh installed and running on the baremetal debian ?
02:05<phillipsjk>You probably don't have sshd installed on the target machine.
02:06<curiousdude>make sure port 21 isn't blocked on router if your trying local network
02:06<Guest13990>I dont know
02:06<Guest13990>probably not
02:06<curiousdude>ajenti could help you admin your box if your kinda new, it's free.
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02:07<Guest13990>I am at the stage where I learning this stuff the hard way. Very time consuming and a pain, but I always felt it was the best way to learn something
02:07<Guest13990>So SSH has to be running on the machine you are trying to connect to
02:07<jpinx>Guest13990: aptitude install ssh (as root)
02:08<Guest13990>Ok thx, brb
02:08<jpinx>on both the vm and the baremetal
02:08<curiousdude>yes it's a service you can check is command ps aux | more to see what all is running.
02:08<db3>back to the bare metal debian and checking ssh
02:09<db3>will try the command
02:09<serpardum>It seems that my no sound problem in wine may be related to the old version of Wine, 1.4.1. According to 1.6.2 is the latest stable release. Anyway to get that from add/remove software or am I going to have to download and install it manually?
02:09<db3>The list is not alphabetized, might be faster if I just reinstall it
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02:10<db3>It was not installed
02:10<jpinx>curiousdude: ps -aux | grep ssh | less
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02:10<jpinx>sorry - that was for db3
02:11<curiousdude>i didn't know you could grep ps aux, awesome thanks
02:11<db3>Is it ok if I use the synatpic package manager to install the ssh?
02:11<serpardum>You can grep any standard output afaik
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02:11<jpinx>db3: not sure if it starts the services -
02:11<db3>I see ok I will do the terminal
02:11<curiousdude>i've only used it to search html files for specific content
02:11<jpinx>db3: as root #: aptitude install ssh
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02:12<phillipsjk>I think they all use apt in the back-end anyway.
02:12<jpinx>db3: and same on your vm debian
02:12<db3>I have the black root terminal screen again. Could you please let mek now again how to permanently change the color so I can see the text?
02:12<jmcnaught>serpardum: that would be the only version of wine available from Debian for wheezy, unless it's in wheezy-backports. Watch out for the manual installation instructions on the wine wiki though, it suggests doing some sort crazy stuff like manually creating symlinks for a bunch of libraries
02:12<jpinx>phillipsjk: probably - but I can only speak about what I actually use myself ;)
02:12<phillipsjk>"they" being apt-get, aptitude, synaptic
02:13<serpardum>wheezy-backports? Hmm.. I'll have to research that
02:13<jpinx>serpardum: I run windows stuff in a vm of XP ;)
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02:14<jmcnaught>serpardum: it doesn't look like wine is in backports, still worth checking out though
02:14<jpinx>db3: on the baremetal dedian you can use another tty
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02:14<jpinx>do Ctrl-Alt-F2
02:14<jpinx>and login as db3
02:15<jpinx>do Ctrl-AltF7 to get back to your gui login
02:15<phillipsjk>db3 edit > profile preferences > Colors tab
02:15<jpinx>do Ctrl-Alt-F7 to get back to your gui login
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02:15<serpardum>yeah, only q4wine works.
02:16<serpardum>Maybe I"ll try a VM
02:16<jpinx>sounds like you have more issues to resolve on the baremetal debian and it's probably easier by ssh'ing in
02:16<serpardum>since wine is being such a di... pain
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02:16<db3>the ctrl alt f2 doesnt seem to work
02:16<curiousdude>VM's work better for me when I use fluxbox or openbox
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02:16<jpinx>db3: define "doesn't work"
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02:16<curiousdude>try f3-f6
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02:18<serpardum>Oh, I can't really do a vm, don't have a legal source disk.
02:18<serpardum>well, this machine used to be xp
02:18<serpardum>so I guess I do have a legal license for xp
02:18<curiousdude>grap the sticker off the side of the box and get the iso off a torrent
02:19<serpardum>yeah, I've done that before when I needed to reinstall
02:19<serpardum>in fact, I probalby still have the windows CD somewhere
02:19<phillipsjk>I think tho license for the OEM install may prohibit running in a VM.
02:19<jpinx>phillipsjk: correct - oem windows are truly immoveable
02:20<curiousdude>i've used cracked versions of various windows on vm, and some keys off the side of some boxes it installed for me no problem.
02:20<jpinx>I wasted a lot of time trying to get my oem XP to run in a vmdk, but it is hardwired to the physical hardware of the machine it is installed on
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02:21<jpinx>curiousdude: we don't talk about illegal stuff in here ;)
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02:21<curiousdude>i've installed windows on completely different machines with the code on other windows boxes, they are not hard coded to specific machines. you can use on usually 1 or 2 machines until it wont work no more.
02:22<jpinx>curiousdude: yes - that is not oem windows ;)
02:22<SamB>OEM windows doesn't mind if you move it to an identical system
02:22<SamB>at least, I don't think it does ...
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02:23<jpinx>SamB: not true in my experience
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02:23<SamB>it occurs to me that I have no idea where the Windows on my terminal actually came from
02:23<jpinx>oem is tied to the uuid's of the hardware of the machine it's installed on
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02:24<jpinx>phillipsjk: have we lost db3 ?
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02:24<phillipsjk>They can only do that if they make you burn your own recovery CD...
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02:25<phillipsjk>jpinx maybe. Last thing they said is that terminal switching doesn't work. They may not have figured out how to get the gui back.
02:26<db3>Sorry about that, I got stuck in root and could not get out, exit did not work. Anyway I changed the profile as instructed for the root terminal and so from now on it should show white text on a black screen by default
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02:26<db3>I just need the find the ssh command in this chat text
02:26<curiousdude>ssh user@hostname
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02:27<db3>I need to install it and make sure it is started
02:27<jpinx>he's using ip's not hostnames
02:27<curiousdude>apt-get install ssh
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02:27<curiousdude>service ssh status
02:27<curiousdude>or is it sshd?
02:27<John[Lisbeth]>does gpl require attribution for each developer that ever touched the code?
02:28<db3>It is granting permissions to root without a password. I must have done something and will have to worry abou tthat later
02:28<curiousdude>set a pw using passwd
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02:28<phillipsjk>John[Lisbeth], maybe in the source files. Not in the UI.
02:29<db3>It wanted me to insert the cd rom
02:29<John[Lisbeth]>so does the kernel have the name of everyone who ever worked on it in it?
02:29<curiousdude>you need to edit sources
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02:29<curiousdude>you just installed?
02:29<John[Lisbeth]>no I am wrting my own source
02:29<db3>Well a few weeks ago, this is a practice machine
02:29<John[Lisbeth]>it is actually a shell script
02:29<curiousdude>nano /etc/sources.list
02:30<curiousdude>that might be the wrong location on your box
02:30<phillipsjk>The reason you would need your name there is so people can contact you about using a different license.
02:30<curiousdude>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
02:30<jmcnaught>curiousdude: maybe you should test commands before telling newbies to use them :)
02:30<jpinx>db3: why not clone a backup of the vm and practice on that -- then a baremetal install will be much easier
02:31<db3>It is already installed though, just need to get ssh going on it
02:31<John[Lisbeth]>right but am I legally required to have the name of myself and everyone who worked on it?
02:31<phillipsjk>Becuase trying to get VNC to work :)
02:31<jpinx>db3: installed does not equal working ;)
02:31<db3>how about synaptic package manager, can install ssh that way?
02:31<curiousdude>i know it's intalled but you see the command apt-get searches what you have listed in sources.list you still have the cdrom listed so you have to put # in front of it to make it disabled
02:31<jmcnaught>db3: you might find you make a lot more progress if you read some more of the docs. In your IRC client try typing "/msg dpkg grounding" for some suggestions on stuff to read :)
02:31<db3>Actually I tried that also, and it also asked for the disk
02:32<phillipsjk>John[Lisbeth], I think copyright law allows for anonymous authors.
02:32<db3>Alright fair enough. I really appreciate you guys trying and your time, thanks
02:32<curiousdude>then you'll probably need to add your repositories to it
02:32<John[Lisbeth]>ok but I still have to put the authors?
02:32<jpinx>db3: what jmcnaught said -- and be assured, your box is not ready yet
02:33<jpinx>db3: go back to the vm and learn about debian in a slightly less frantic environment ;)
02:33<db3>The bare metal debian is on a 15 year old pentium 4 I brought down from the garage attic
02:34<curiousdude>all he needs to do is edit his sources file and add the proper repository links and he will be good
02:34<db3>Debian seems to work great on it, but perhaps the computers age contributed to some install thing not working
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02:34<jpinx>db3: that's not an issue - the issue is that you don't know how to do stuff like install a package ,)
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02:34<jmcnaught>db3: i agree with jpinx.. with the VM software make a clone of a fresh Debian install, work on the clone, break it, fix it etc. And read the docs! :)
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02:35<jpinx>curiousdude: you're coming late to the conversation - - sorry
02:35<curiousdude>he's already got it installed, he is new yes but he is close, he just needs to read wiki's more.
02:35<db3>I will, but I also want to try the sources thing aas well. Everything else about this install seems to work well
02:35<curiousdude>db3 type nano /etc/apt/sources.list
02:35<jpinx>db3: do the sources.list on the vm
02:35<db3>This old computer is running faster than it ever has
02:35<curiousdude>as root
02:35<curiousdude>ctrl + o to save
02:35<db3>Will try that now
02:35<curiousdude>ctrl + x to exit
02:36<serpardum>is there a VM in the wheezy distro?
02:36<jmcnaught>well it's late and there's way too much <enter> right now for me to keep track. goodnight everyone
02:36<curiousdude>put # in front of cdrom resource and you need to search and find the repository links for the sources.list for your distro.
02:37<curiousdude>then i really sugest you look into ajenti
02:37<curiousdude>it will help you learn
02:37<jpinx>jmcnaught: o/
02:37<phillipsjk>John[Lisbeth], if you do not include source-code, you must have a way for people to contact you as well.
02:38<dpkg>hmm... gnu is a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System. #gnu on
02:38<jpinx>db3: yes - old hardware gets a new lease of life with a basic install of debian -- until you try running a browser ;)
02:39<curiousdude>if it's older hardware use openbox or fluxbox and it might run decent.
02:39<phillipsjk>disabling Javascript helps until half the websites refuse to work.
02:39<jpinx>curiousdude: have you tried ?
02:40<curiousdude>yes, but not with anything too old. some win xp boxes that were given to me
02:40<jpinx>phillipsjk: any lxde will be ok but the browser running javascripts will die
02:40<db3>The browser seems fast though. The computer is literally as fast as any other here, at least for how I use it. I am sure if I did heavy browsing though I woudl notice. The nano /etc/apt/sources.list I just ran, then I did the ctrl + o
02:41<curiousdude>you have to edit the file first db3
02:41<curiousdude>nano is a text editor
02:41<db3>Then I get
02:41<db3>I see
02:41<curiousdude>put # in front of the cdrom resource
02:41<jpinx>db3: run nano as root
02:41<jpinx>or it won't save the changes
02:41<curiousdude>then you will probably need to add repositories for apt-get so it has something to search
02:42<curiousdude>you do that in sources.list
02:42<curiousdude>search google for /etc/apt/sources.list debian and find your distro's repository links then add them to that file
02:43<jpinx>db3: look at lscpu for info on the hardware
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02:43<jpinx>curiousdude: please - - this is debian support ONLY
02:44<jpinx>not "your distro"
02:44<curiousdude>i mean his release
02:44<db3>Ok that makes sense. I commented out the cd and I think I saved it
02:44<db3>Now going to try the ssh command again
02:44<curiousdude>i said to search "/etc/apt/sources.list debian"
02:44<db3>What do you mean?
02:44<curiousdude>i was talking to jpinx
02:45<curiousdude>your good if you saved it, you may have to add your repositories for your release though if they aren't already there
02:45<curiousdude>do the apt-get install ssh
02:45<db3>I will write that down
02:45<jpinx>that'll fail
02:45<curiousdude>can't use apt-get?
02:46<jpinx>curiousdude: your advice is well intended but ,,,,,
02:46*jpinx bows out
02:46<curiousdude>i'm just tryin to keep the kid from havin to go back to vm.. you should pm me they don't like me helping you
02:47<jpinx>"kid" ???
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02:47<curiousdude>not you..
02:47<db3>I just finshed the attempt and bummer it asked for the cd again
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02:48<curiousdude>if you pm i will assist, other then that it's up to the room.
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02:48<db3>I thought I commented it out
02:48<jpinx>db3: slow down and work methodically
02:48<phillipsjk>dammit I think my package database got corrupted.
02:49<db3>So go back and make sure the cd was commented out?
02:49<jpinx>db3: you're being asked for the CD because you don't have a proper sources.list
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02:50<db3>Ok, I dont know how to make it property other than opening it in a text editor and commenting out the part that mentions the cd
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02:50<db3>then saving that
02:50<jpinx>db3: do you have the cd ?
02:50<db3>I think so, will have to check
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02:51<jpinx>leave the entry for the cd in sources.list and insert it when asked
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02:53<jpinx>phillipsjk: what does dpkg -l show ?
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02:54<phillipsjk>lots of packages
02:55<jpinx>phillipsjk: not garbled ? ;)
02:55<themill>phillipsjk: dpkg's complaints about version strings are independent of the error you have there
02:55<db3>Well it is not accepting the disk i have labeled as debian.
02:55<themill>(you should be able to just purge the package with the funny version number and it will be happy -- assuming that's all that is wrong)
02:55<jpinx>themill: will know the aptitude option to clean up that maybe :)
02:56<db3>I will recheck that list
02:56<jpinx>db3: ok - go back to the vm and learn about what sources.list is and what it does
02:56<db3>The sources list. I wonder if I can just delete the whole cd line instead of commenting it out?
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02:56<jpinx>db3: no -- leave it alone until you know what you're doing
02:56<phillipsjk>I was getting similar errors on start-up, but was not sure where to disable the script.
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02:57<db3>Will do, yeah it is pretty late and a little reading will speed things along. Again folks, thank you very much for your time and effort here
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02:57<phillipsjk>I have been running fetchmail (automatically) when I log-in.
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02:58<jpinx>phillipsjk: aptitude remove xxx will leave any configs for that package
02:58<jpinx>oand then you can install again
02:58<themill>put START_DAEMON=no in /etc/default/fetchmail
02:58<jpinx>or maybe ask aptitude to re-install and let it sort out the version,,,
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03:05<phillipsjk>Ok, looks like disabling the daemon worked. It was erroring out on stopping the running service :P Thanks themill.
03:06<themill>you probably still should find out what packages dpkg is complaining about and get rid of them btw
03:07<phillipsjk>The may date back to etch... which is what may machine started with.
03:08<themill>yes. or more likely are from a 3rd party repo
03:09<phillipsjk>hmm, I was trying to get archiveteam stuff working at one point.
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03:10<phillipsjk>Am-utils is apparently (4.4BSD Automounter Utilities)
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03:13<phillipsjk>I don't think I ever added third-party repos to my sources.list.
03:15<themill>am-utils never had a version starting with a non-digit.
03:17<phillipsjk>That is why I suspect file corruption. The disk may run hot in the machine I am using (even though I drilled extra air holes)
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03:17<themill>you could pastebin that section of the file
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03:18<John[Lisbeth]>phillipsjk: according to this I don't have to include how to contact me in the terms of the license:
03:18<John[Lisbeth]>they say it is "practical" to do so, but it isnt' required
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03:21<phillipsjk>This isn't exactly a debian question though. While I like to think I know more than average about copyright law, I am not sure. If you are really worried about it, consider a different license like the WTF_PL
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03:22<themill>the "where's the source" question that this is about isn't particularly relevant for something that is only a shell script
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03:27<phillipsjk>doesn't look too corrupt:
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03:28<phillipsjk>For a shell scrip any license may be longer than the script :P
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03:34<nbl>Hello !
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03:35<phillipsjk>I guess If I am really worried about the disk temperature, I should install S.M.A.R.T, utilities and try to probe the disk temperature sensor.
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03:36<jpinx>phillipsjk: or a small fridge unit ;)
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03:37*jpinx knows people who run the box in an old fridge in the tropics
03:37<nbl>phillipsjk: what is the temp of you disk ?
03:38<jpinx>hot enough to fry an egg yet ? ;)
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03:40<phillipsjk>nbl: have no idea. machine will be busy for a few more hours upgrading :P
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03:40<nbl>phillipsjk: ok ^^
03:41<phillipsjk>found a promising package though: hddtemp
03:42<jpinx>phillipsjk: that will depend on there being sensors in the right places
03:42<phillipsjk>I doubt it is over 50°C
03:43<phillipsjk>Wait I may have historical measurements...
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03:45<jpinx>my toshiba and seagate drives don't have a temperature limit on the label :(
03:45<phillipsjk>With a temperature probe, I measured 51°C+-3°C Max operating temperature of a previous disk that exhibited errors: 55°C
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03:46<phillipsjk>That is with the side of the case up against wood. In the open the tempterature stays at 46°C+-3°C
03:47<phillipsjk>Some times I pay *too much* attention to detail.
03:48<phillipsjk>jpinx You have to look it up on the manufacturer's website.
03:48<jpinx>yea - I guess so
03:49<phillipsjk>Both drives I looked up had a maximum operating temperature of 55°C
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04:01<phillipsjk>my /boot is now too small to hold back-up kernels and initrds... kind of scary.
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04:06<babilen>phillipsjk: Why didn't you use a larger one?
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04:11<phillipsjk>bablilen I did not leave room to resize it. (though I *could* clobber win98).
04:12<babilen>phillipsjk: Please use tab-completion for nicknames. bab<TAB>
04:12<phillipsjk>nbl according to hddtemp, my disk is at 41°C, which is not too bad.
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04:16<nbl>phillipsjk: yes it's not too bad =)
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04:36<heaumer`>hi; i've got the following error when trying to git clone --depth 1 git:// on two repo at least (; any idea why?
04:36<heaumer`>hm, second is
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04:48<phillipsjk>Yay, my box came back up even without a safety net.
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05:04<RageRiot>I wantto setup a user with access to one command only for a very speciic purpose. How would I do this ?
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05:09<victory>RageRiot: help you?
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05:25<RageRiot>victorY I dont quite understand it .. yet. My intention is the give the username and passowrd to users who will need to run a telnet session in the ssh session
05:25<RageRiot>so does this all relate to authorised keys setup ?
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06:47<gueney>Hey guys, am trying to create a local debian mirror using debmirror -p -d wheezy -a amd64 /dir/ectory but it's stuck at "Getting meta files"
06:48<gueney>Oh wait, I just got an error : Failed to download some Release or Release.gpg files
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06:58<gueney>Hmmm, the error persists even with --ignore-release-gpg , anybody know how I can avoid/fix this?
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07:00<musca>gueney: LANG=C apt-get -o Acquire::Pdiffs=false update
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07:01<gueney>musca: I don't understand :/
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07:02<Guest14010>good day! I would like to ask about using virtualbox vs. usermodelinux. in particular, how virtualbox can be relied on as propreitary package, specially if you would like to use VM for sensitive data.
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07:03<musca>gueney: also: rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* ; rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*
07:03<babilen>musca: Note "debmirror"
07:03<musca>gueney: in fact i am assuming that debmirror depends on the local apt-cache
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07:05<gueney>I wouldn't know, not my machine. I just want to make use of the fast internet connection and create a debian mirror on my external drive. I cannot delete anything in mentioned folders, because no root
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07:05<gueney>musca: ^
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07:06<musca>Guest14010: virtualbox consists of two parts. the main application is open source, only the extensionpack requires to accept its eula.
07:08<Guest14010>musca, will the extension pack not be needed for running the vm?
07:09<Guest14010>or running programs on it_
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07:10<babilen>gueney: I would recommend to use an apt-cache rather than trying to mirror everything. Look into <apt-cacher-ng> and <squid deb caching> -- /msg dpkg squid deb caching
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07:12<musca>Guest14010: the extensionpack (only available for the main package from oracle) contains usb2, pxe and rdp-server support. I'm quite happy with the virtualbox package from debian contrib.
07:13<gueney>babilen: Thank you but I really need to mirror everything
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07:13<Guest14010>musca, I havent used it before, will the usb2 needed i.e. if I run vm on a usb?
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07:14<musca>,v virtualbox --release wheezy-backports --arch amd64
07:14<judd>Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.12-dfsg-1~bpo70+1
07:15<musca>Guest14010: no, it's needed to pass through USB devices into the vm
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07:15<musca>not for using files of the host.
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07:44*abrotman eyes Maulkin suspiciously, quite some time after the fact :)
07:44<Maulkin>abrotman: heh
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08:10<d33tah>i just installed my system from live cd and i can't see any http repos in /etc/apt/sources.list. is there any quick command i could run to fix this?
08:12<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb wheezy main" "deb wheezy/updates main" "deb wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
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08:30<d33tah>blast007: okay, thanks
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10:30<swizgard>hi. what software does the debian bugtracker run on?
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10:33<centrx>swizgard, "debbugs"
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11:47<quadrell>is there anyone else?
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11:52<centrx>no one here but us bots
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12:36<swizgard>centrx: thank you!
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12:47<raul>try this site very profesional, nice earnings
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13:57<battaglin>best way to log sftp file transfers ?
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13:58<retrospectacus>it's in auth.log
13:59<battaglin>not file names
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14:00<magyar>why is libfakeroot is marked as obsolete in jessie?
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14:02<magyar>ahh, fakechroot replaces it
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14:18<rrman>hello everyone, i ve got a cool(crazy:) ) question : can i actually connect a terminal to one network interface and another one to other network interface?
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14:21<retrospectacus>rrman: what d'you mean "connect terminal to network interface"?
14:22<rrman>i mean for example i wanna download a file with eth0 and another one with usb0
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14:22<retrospectacus>like, with "wget"? or what
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14:23<retrospectacus>yes, with the --bind-address option (man wget)
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14:23<rrman>but more general works (not just wget ...)
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14:24<rrman>for example for using an Xserver we do : export DISPLAY= . is such a thing for networking ?
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14:25<retrospectacus>I get your meaning, but I don't think you can do that
14:25<rrman>oh thats my idea too :)
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14:48<PHeanEX>since i cant find a debian package for Does anyone know if there is a specific reason its not packaged yet, or if it has another packagename?
14:51<centrx>PHeanEX, Doesn't look like it
14:52<centrx>PHeanEX, You can file an RFP, but generally packages are packaged by people who want to use it. A Debian Developer or someone else will presumably want to have it as part of Debian
14:53<PHeanEX>centrx: there's some packages called jboss (jboss is somehow connected to wildfly?!) but none of those packages even remotely reassemble the wildfly zip file
14:53<centrx>apt-cache search wildfly
14:53<PHeanEX>centrx: => no results
14:53<centrx>Yeah, it's not in Debian
14:54<PHeanEX>centrx: but apt-cache search jboss shows some results
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14:54<centrx>PHeanEX, Oh, is Wildfly just a rename of JBOSS?
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14:54*tonyyarusso attempted to search for an existing RFP bug, but the bug search system seems to be down....
14:55<tonyyarusso>"WildFly,[3] formerly known as JBoss AS, or simply JBoss, is an application server authored by JBoss, now developed by Red Hat. WildFly is written in Java, and implements the Java Platform, Enterprise Edition (Java EE) specification." - Wikipedia
14:56<PHeanEX>tonyyarusso: yep, but does that mean one of those jboss package wants to be wildfly? and if which one?
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14:57<centrx>PHeanEX, For some reason, Debian only has this old version of the JBoss Application Server, as package jbossas4, Version: 4.2.3.GA-8
14:57<tonyyarusso>PHeanEX: Not sure yet - I usually run screaming from things that say "Java" :P
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14:59<PHeanEX>tonyyarusso: yes me normally to, but the company i work for uses wildfly and we want to ship debian packages => so if theres really no wildfly package i have to package it again (like the glassfish, which wasnt nice)
14:59<tonyyarusso>It's unclear to me whether this is an official rename or a fork
15:00<PHeanEX>tonyyarusso: im just as confused as you are ;-)
15:00<PHeanEX>thought someone here could know more about that
15:00<tonyyarusso>Ohp, looks pretty officialish - the domain name is registered to Red Hat, Inc.
15:00<PHeanEX>centrx: the jbossas4 package is nothing more than a few jar files
15:01<centrx>Isn't a jar file an executable?
15:01<centrx>The bigger problem is the package version is from 2009
15:01<PHeanEX>tonyyarusso: but they dont even build rpms?
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15:02<PHeanEX>centrx: it is an executable but compare it to, it does not come even close (maybe because of its age?)
15:02<tonyyarusso>PHeanEX: Seems safe to say that you have some work to do if you want it packaged.
15:03<tonyyarusso>But I have no idea how java packaging works
15:03<PHeanEX>tonyyarusso: :-(
15:03<tonyyarusso>PHeanEX: I once worked with upstream to package a Mozilla-based app, so...I feel your pain. :P
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15:04<PHeanEX>tonyyarusso: oh ... i guess ill try at least a RFP since there has to be someone else who wants to use wildfly on debian
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15:05<PHeanEX>tonyyarusso: do you know of any documentation on how to package this java c*** ?
15:06<PHeanEX>tonyyarusso: except the huge
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15:07<tonyyarusso>PHeanEX: I've only looked at the regular packaging guide, not any of the java-specific stuff
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15:09<PHeanEX>tonyyarusso: centrx: okay, thanks for your help :-P
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15:29<grummund>Hi, after shrinking a file-system with resize2fs is there a command that will get the size the partition can be safely reduced to?
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15:30<grummund>specifically. i'm trying to script this for a loopfile base fs.
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16:17<trico>i just updated the kernel on wheezy but /var/run/reboot-required is not present. why?
16:19<centrx>I don't know, but a reboot is only required to use the new kernel.
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16:21<trico>supposedly its a security update, so why not require it? is it supposed to not say it requires an update in some cases where it actually does?
16:21<centrx>I don't think it's use much except for unattended installations
16:22<centrx>Generally you only need to reboot to use a new kernel, or sometimes to be safe after a C library upgrade
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16:22<trico>Note: for debian systems, /var/run/reboot-required does not get created unless the update-notifier-common package is installed < nvm its because of this
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16:59<nijoakim>Hello! I just upgraded from wheezy to debian. It seems to have broken a bunch of things. First, most of the function keys stopped working. I found this strange, as I would think that would depend on the kernel and the previously installed one was from wheezy-backports, which would be the same, right? Second, my gnome does not any longer display a background. Is all of this normal, due to the fact that I am on 'testing' or may I have d
16:59<nijoakim>one something wrong while upgrading. This is the procedure I followed: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade; <replace all occurences of 'wheezy' with 'jessie' in sources.list>; aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. I ask this mostly because I'm curious if this is normal or not, as I don't have a strong/urgent need to fix these things. Thanks in beforehand for replies.
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17:00<petn-randall>nijoakim: So you upgraded from wheezy to jessie, not to 'debian' ;)
17:01<petn-randall>nijoakim: jessie/sid are supported in #debian-next, you'll get support there.
17:01<nijoakim>petn-randall: Haha, yes, that was a miswriting! ;)
17:02<nijoakim>petn-randall: Okay! Thanks!
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17:14<nijoakim>o11c: OK, nothing changed.
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17:14<nijoakim>oh, wrong place, sorry
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17:15<pangaea>any ideas why my nvidia x settings settings?
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17:32<adam_>Hi, looking for assistance. I'm trying to install nvidia-kernel-dkms but `apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms` complains that `Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the
17:32<adam_>kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.`
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17:33<adam_>`apt-get install linux-headers-amd64 linux-source-amd64` succeeds but doesnt change the result when I try to reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms
17:34<adam_>I'm lost as to where to take this from here...
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17:36<Brigo>adam_, what is the output of uname -a
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17:37<adam_>Linux craptop 3.13-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.13.5-1 (2014-03-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux
17:37<adam_>Do i need something more specific? linux-headers-3.13-1-amd64?
17:37<Brigo>adam_, have you installed linux-headers-3.13-1-amd64?
17:38<Brigo>adam_, that is
17:38<adam_>apt-get install linux-headers-3.13-1-1amd64
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17:39<adam_>Unable to locate package linux-headers-3.13-1-amd64
17:39<Brigo>adam_, are you in wheezy?
17:39<Brigo>i am in jessie and have that package
17:40<Brigo>,v linux-headers-3.13-1-amd64
17:40<judd>No package named 'linux-headers-3.13-1-amd64' was found in i386.
17:41<adam_># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux jessie-DI-a1 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20140318-12:38]/ jessie main
17:41<adam_>#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux jessie-DI-a1 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20140318-12:38]/ jessie main
17:41<adam_>deb jessie main non-free contrib
17:41<adam_>deb-src jessie main
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17:41<Brigo>,v linux-source-3.13
17:41<judd>Package: linux-source-3.13 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 3.13.10-1~bpo70+1
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17:41<adam_>oops, got kicked for spam
17:41<Brigo>adam_, too much paste on the channel, for pasting use
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17:44<Brigo>adam_, get it from here:
17:44<Sofi>Hola, Como Estas?
17:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:44<adam_>How do I "get it" ?
17:45<adam_>Ah, its a .deb, ok
17:45<Brigo>the first link on the web page, use a web browser ...
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17:45<Brigo>adam_, and then you can install it with dpkg -i <package>
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17:47<adam_>Some dependency issues, let me tinker.
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17:53<adam_>hmm, needs linux-kbuild-3.13 but thats only in wheezy-backports
17:54<chealer>adam_: are you aware that you're using an outdated Linux?
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17:55<adam_>Should I be upgrading it?
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17:56<Brigo>well kernel 3.14 are already in jessie from some time.
17:56<chealer>adam_: unless you have a reason not to
17:56<adam_>I don't
17:56<adam_>My install is a fresh net install of Jessie
17:57<Brigo>adam_, then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade :)
17:58<adam_>Done, mentions two packages held back, but otherwise didnt do much.
17:59<adam_>The following packages have been kept back:
17:59<adam_> linux-image-amd64 rsyslog
17:59<adam_>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded
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18:02<adam_>aptitude upgrade, looks like its upgrading to 3.14
18:02<devil>adam_: you can check what dist-upgrade would do with apt-get dist-upgrde -s
18:02<Brigo>i cannot undestand why linux-image-amd64 is kept back
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18:07<adam_>After a dist upgrade, it looks like the nvidia-kernel-dkms has installed successfully. It's time for a reboot : )
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18:08<adam_>Reinstall the nvidia-driver package too just to be sure.
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18:09*devil hopes, adam removed the -s :)
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18:10<adam_>And it works!
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18:13<adam_>So I just needed to do a dist-upgrade to get right linux version for the nvidia-kernel-dkms package.
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18:16<Brigo>adam_, jessie is tricky sometimes :)
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18:18<adam_>I feel like I understand it more now.
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18:19<adam_>(I'm an XChat noob too, why is your text red Brigo?)
18:19<devil>adam_: maybe you want to read man apt-get to understand the differences between upgrade and dist-upgrade
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18:20<Brigo>adam_, because i write your name in the line :)
18:20<adam_>Brigo, thought so : )
18:20<lone>nothing big yoh
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18:22<adam_>devil: I understand now, one is 'gentle', the other is 'rough'.
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18:22<nEMXhWA>Hello, all.
18:22<devil>adam_: upgrade is more suited for stable
18:23<nEMXhWA>Where might I find the "additional CD-ROM drivers" for the install procedure?
18:23<devil>faster moving targets like testing, and much more so unstable profit from dist-upgrade
18:23<nEMXhWA>I'm trying to solve a "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" error.
18:24<adam_>devil: makes sense
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18:43<chealer>nEMXhWA: which "additional CD-ROM drivers"?
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18:49<nEMXhWA>To be honest, I'm not sure. I'm getting a red screen in the text-based installation process.
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18:49<nEMXhWA>The error message is "no common CD-ROM drive was detected" and it gives the option to load "additional CD-ROM drivers" from a floppy.
18:50<nEMXhWA>I've been throught the package search and I see a few cdrom-driver* packages intended for the installer (i.e, suffixed with "di") ...
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18:50<nEMXhWA>But I'm not sure which or how to implant them into the installation process.
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19:08<Brigo>nEMXhWA, the problem is the cdrom driver, it can be autodetected.
19:11<Brigo>nEMXhWA, can you install from usb?
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20:16<MrMills>Hello there again. so I am part of a bizz that was thinking about using the debian <b>REPO</b> with a cross-compiler (in-house) and a couple of servers to port/ some things to a arch. I would like to know your thoughts on this. And If we make enough $$$ then maybe we can help in the FOSS/OS things. as we are just a start up.
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20:19<MrMills>by start up I mean that we have over 100 clients but for not what we want ..
20:19<MrMills>maybe off topic and there is a channel for that ?
20:21<MrMills>but we want to sell open source as a core. to help are neighbors. thanks I will lurk !
20:21<MrMills>feel free to pm
20:21<MrMills>thanks retrospectacus
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20:24<Gabriel_>Anyone here?
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20:25<MrMills>Hi Gabriel_ :)
20:25<Gabriel_>Hey :) I was wondering if anyone could help me with a "small" problem :)
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20:27<MrMills>fire may be may be knot :S
20:27<Gabriel_>Well, I am hopeless to install Flash ^^"
20:28<MrMills>why flash and not webm ?
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20:28<Gabriel_>I thought it was the only alternative ^^ Because I'm using the dub browser
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20:28<Gabriel_>And, well, I suppose most videos and stuff use Adobe Flash, so...
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20:29<MrMills>well then Gabriel_ you have no-free repo enabled ?
20:29<SynrG>so far, i haven't heard an actual question.
20:30<SynrG>i've heard a statement. "I am hopless to install Flash", but not an actual description of your problem
20:30<Gabriel_>Right, let me start over then
20:30<Gabriel_>i've installed flashplugin-nonfree
20:30<MrMills>why not install flashplugin-nonfree ?
20:30<Gabriel_>unfortunately, it's not working
20:30<SynrG>on which browser, on which release of debian?
20:30<Gabriel_>It's not detected by ice weasel or dwb
20:31<MrMills>Oo nice ? Sycamore
20:31<Gabriel_>I'm on Debian 7.5 i686
20:31<MrMills>browser ?
20:31<Gabriel_>dub mostly
20:32<MrMills>so what happens ? Is it a bug that needs to be filed or no ?
20:32<SynrG>i don't know dwb. does it use mozilla plugins?
20:32<Gabriel_>I don't think so
20:32<Gabriel_>Basically, it acts as if I haven't installed anything
20:32<MrMills>mis config then ?
20:33<Gabriel_>Perhaps :/ Bu each time I want to update by using update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
20:33<MrMills>is there ither things that could have messed it up ? was there a poihnt that this happened are you on Jessie or wheezy .. ect
20:33<Gabriel_>I'm on wheezy
20:33<Gabriel_>And I don't think I have done anything wrong :/
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20:34<Gabriel_>When I try to use the update, I get this error:
20:34<MrMills>I am on jessie and I anot afraid to say that I love her !
20:34<Gabriel_>link to Adobe Flash Player no found on htt:// at
20:34<MrMills>Yeah there is upstream
20:35<MrMills>psh ~~~~~
20:35<SynrG>Gabriel_: which architecture?
20:35<Gabriel_>Then: ERROR: failed to get upstream version
20:35<SynrG>you said i686. that isn't an arch
20:35<SynrG>i guess you mean i386?
20:36<Gabriel_>Yup, sry
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20:36<MrMills>dont be sorry this is worth a million bucks
20:37<Gabriel_>I just started linux this afternoon, so basically still learning how to use everything ^^'
20:37<SynrG>Gabriel_: yes. i can confirm those results on i386
20:37<MrMills><MrMills> dont be sorry this is worth a million bucks
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20:38<MrMills>we are bassed out of New York U.S.A
20:38<Gabriel_>Eh, I'm french ^^
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20:38<MrMills>Ohh wha w.hettp://
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20:39<Gabriel_>Any solution? I've been on this for more than 3 hours x) My brain is starting fry ^^"
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20:40<SynrG>looking for bugs
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20:40<SynrG>MrMills: my patience is wearing thin ... are you here to help?
20:40<chealer>Gabriel_: see
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20:40<MrMills>Tick tock tick tock
20:40<SynrG>chealer: thanks
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20:40<Gabriel_>I'm join to look into this, thanks :)
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20:41<SynrG>MrMills: a dozen lines of OT/rambling. please keep it support-related here
20:41<SynrG>Gabriel_: there is no solution yet.
20:42<Gabriel_>SynrG: Really? oO
20:42<SynrG>Gabriel_: the bug was only just filed today ...
20:42<SynrG>Gabriel_: the maintainers aren't superhuman ;)
20:43<Gabriel_>Damn, I thought they were advanced robots :/
20:43<SynrG>i suspect upstream (adobe) broke their URL scheme for downloading ...
20:43<Gabriel_>I'll wait and keep myself posted :) Thanks for the help :)
20:43<SynrG>the plugin needs to be patched for wherever they put it now. or maybe it's a temporary problem with upstream.
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20:43<SynrG>until the maintainers look into it and update the bug, this is all just speculation
20:44<Gabriel_>I'll wait, going to bed (it's 3am here ^^')
20:44<Gabriel_>G'night :)
20:44<SynrG>yes. sleep
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20:47<MrMills>as you can see that is deb running on that flick a port of Ubuntu Phone just like the port of the tv I did here is after
20:47<SynrG>MrMills: er. offtopic?
20:47<sney>MrMills: wrong channel.
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22:01<k-man>any idea how i can add the bnx2-firmware package to a debian live cd?
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22:07<k-man>sneakernet to the rescue
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22:32<debiangnome>Hi. Does anyone know the difference between SSH and SSHD?
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22:37<chealer>debiangnome: yes
22:39<debiangnome>Great. I suspect that SSHD is a server and SSH is the client
22:39<debiangnome>If computer A has SSH, and computer B has SSHD, then computer A can connect to computer B, but not vice versa?
22:40<debiangnome>My post got cut off
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22:41<debiangnome>Computer A has SSH, computer B has SSHD
22:41<debiangnome>then computer A can connect to computer B
22:41<debiangnome>But computer B cannot connect to computer A
22:41<jmcnaught>debiangnome: you've got it right. in Debian openssh-client installs the "ssh" client, openssh-server installs the "sshd" daemon/server.
22:41<jmcnaught>debiangnome: the package "ssh" would install them both
22:42<debiangnome>Hi JM. Thanks for the info. It will install them both, excellent. I will give it a try
22:42<chealer>debiangnome: SSH is a protocol
22:43<chealer>debiangnome: but "ssh" lowercase is the most popular SSH client
22:44<debiangnome>is the most popular one, ssh, created by Openssh?
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22:46<debiangnome>My other VM is done installing, will brb on that one
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22:57<chealer>somenamevm: there must be several implementations of ssh(1), but the most popular is OpenSSH
22:59<somenamevm>I have never used ssh before
22:59<somenamevm>At the terminal, do you need to be a root?
22:59<somenamevm>is the format ssh username@domain?
22:59<somenamevm>or ssh username@ip address
22:59<chealer>somenamevm: that's a development stage many mortals go through.
23:00<chealer>somenamevm: no need, no
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23:00<somenamevm>I can see why, I have been trying to do it for quite awhile now
23:00<chealer>somenamevm: ssh [username@]host (see the manual)
23:01<somenamevm>I thought I did that, will try again. I am at the terminal but not in root
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23:03<somenamevm>No luck
23:03<somenamevm>I should make sure the server is running on the other machine
23:05<sigma>Hello all, I was wondering if I could get some information on the continuous integration suite of Debian's packages located on, or if I would have better luck on another channel
23:06<themill>sigma: ask here or #debian-qa
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23:09<sigma>Ahhhhh nevermind, I just found the answer. I was going to ask what exactly the tests comprise of, but I see there are some log files on the Packages page which give explicit STERR output. My apologies, have a nice day
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23:12<themill>not STDERR... that would be a test fail. but you left.
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23:30<somename>have you every spent so much time trying to figure out some detail on Debian, then when you finally do you forget why you needed the thing done in the first place?
23:32<somename>I have edited the file sources.list but it will not let me save it. It says I need write access. Anyone know how to get write access?
23:32<chealer>somename: not just on Debian
23:33<somename>I know, I did not mean to be specific. Computers in general
23:33<chealer>somename: edit it with root privileges
23:33<somename>I went to file manager, then double clicked the "root folder", then found the file and double clicked it to open. Should'nt I already be in root?
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23:34<chealer>somename: oh, no. the root folder and the root user are 2 different things
23:34<somename>Oh thanks.
23:35<somename>I cannot seem to log in as a root user when I start the computer. How does one run an application as root?
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23:35<chealer>the root folder is the top directory. the root user is the superuser
23:35<somename>I can do su at the terminal but then I would not know which editor to open at th eterminal, I need the gui for that
23:36<chealer>somename: "editor" will launch a command-line editor
23:36<somename>Thx I will try that
23:37<somename>That worked, I am in GNU nano, a program which I recognize from last night when some of the others where were helping me
23:37<chealer>somename: you can run a GUI application as root with an su frontend such as gksu
23:38<somename>That might be easier for now
23:38<somename>I will see if I can download gksu at the repositories
23:39<somename>It installed "Root Terminal"
23:40<somename>In order to run the GUI application as root. Do I first go to root terminal, then find the file for the application and run that in order to go back to the GUI?
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23:44<chealer>somename: I'm not sure I understand your question, but I don't think "root terminal" will help you run GUI applications as root. sux may, though
23:44<somename>when I installed gksu, it only installed a program called "root terminal"
23:44<somename>When I click root terminal I go to the terminal
23:44<somename>in root I guess
23:46<somename>I am sure this is a newbie question but I have to wonder why I have to deal with this root issue when I am the only user and I own the computer
23:46<somename>This one issue has taken more time than any other so far
23:47<chealer>somename: root terminal must allow to launch applications as root, but I doubt it allows launching graphical applications. I'd love to be wrong though (and may be if that was actually installed by gksu)
23:47<somename>I am think ing it would be faster to spend another hour and 30 min reinstalling debian, but this time set it to always run root
23:48<chealer>somename: in any case, gksu didn't just install that shortcut, it at least installed a gksu command
23:48<somename>I will check
23:48<SamB>somename: you trust yourself not to trash things?
23:48<SamB>I don't!
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23:48<somename>Yes of course. Every use should have the right to trash their own computer if they want
23:49<SamB>yes, but shouldn't they have the right to only do it if they want to?
23:49<somename>That is how I learned windows, must have destroyed 10 or 20 operating systems
23:49<SamB>well, see, I *really* wouldn't trust you *now*!
23:49<SamB>there's also this little thing called "defense-in-depth"
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23:51<somename>Yes it looks like there was another program called gksu. It has a gui interface, it says "RUN", and then I guess I type something, and then there is a scroll that already has the word root in it
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23:52<AlexMax>Hrm. I think there might be an issue with php5 and multiarch
23:52<AlexMax>php5-common and php5-fpm are depending on things that literally don't exist
23:52<AlexMax>php5-common wants ucf:amd64
23:53<themill>you can't install a foreign arch php5
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23:56<somename>That may have worked thanks, I think I saved the updated sources.list file
23:56<AlexMax>themill: It's not exactly a foreign arch
23:56<AlexMax>I'm running a 64-bit kernel
23:56<themill>!which arch
23:56<dpkg>To help us understand architecture-related problems, please give us the output of «(dpkg --print-architecture; uname -r; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures) | xargs echo».
23:56<AlexMax>but with a 32-bit userland (upgraded the kernel)
23:56<themill>right, so it's a foreign arch
23:57<AlexMax>Why is that?
23:57<AlexMax>More than just a matter of relying on non-existant packages?
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23:57<themill>What does "dpkg --print-architecture" say?
23:58<themill>right, so everything that is not an i386 package is a foreign architecture
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23:59<jean-michel>Hey guys, did anyone else report having issues installing flash today, I tried last night and I've since re-installed my system and now it fails when it gets to download the plugin from (apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree)
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23:59<jean-michel>Last night it worked*
23:59<SamB>yeah, "foreign arch" doesn't actually have to do with your CPU architecture
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