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01:25<somenamevm>Good Evening. I installed Debian on a virtual machine. I think it was intended to be Debian's default interface which I think is gnome. That install had an error, debian works fine but the interface is not gnome, it is some default interface.
01:25<somenamevm>How would I refer to that? It is not Debian Gnome, or Debian LXDE etc
01:27<somenamevm>With Windows 7, I used to have a "system info" program I could click and that would give the information specifying what OS was installed in detail. Does Debian have something similar?
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01:29<somenamevm>Ok I found "Details". It says it is Gnome Version 3.4.2
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01:34<meli>-_-
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01:35<meli>Boe...
01:36<somename>I have debian KDE installed on the other computer, that is why it does not look the same
01:36<meli>:/
01:36<somename>I thought I installed them from the same file, guess not
01:36<jmcnaught>somenamevm: it sounds like you're talking about gnome in fallback mode? Was there a bubble shaped message about it?
01:37<somename>I saw the word "fallback" somewhere yes. That must have been it
01:37<meli>????????
01:37<somename>That happened on the virtual machine install
01:37<jmcnaught>somenamevm: gnome 3.4 requires 3D acceleration which your VM might not support. It has this fallback mode for when 3D acceleration is not available
01:37<meli>???????????????????????????????????????????????????
01:37<jmcnaught>meli: hi do you need help with Debian?
01:38<meli>????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
01:38<somename>I see, thank you very much
01:38<meli>:o
01:38<meli>what?
01:38<somename>:*()## Its an alien, run for your lives
01:38<meli>bue
01:38<LtL>!ops mali is spamming the channel
01:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ltl complains about: mali is spamming the channel
01:38<meli>what?
01:39<meli>my god!
01:39<meli>:o
01:39<meli>byeeeee
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01:41<somename>I have the virtual machine ready to go, the bare metal machine ready, sucessfully tested out SSH, it works. Now going to try to get VNC working. They should both be installed
01:41<somename>Both have debian. One in fallback mode, the other debian kde
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01:42<hiva>LtL: it was "meli" not "mali"!
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01:42<LtL>hiva: oops
01:43<somename>lol
01:43<somename>it happens
01:43<hiva>i wondered why dpkg notified me!:D
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01:49<somename>When working at the terminal, I know there is a way to list the options for an application. In this case I would like vncserver to run at startup but I do know know what to type at the terminal. I tried vncserver -h to list the options but that did not work. Does anyone know how I can see what options are available for vncserver?
01:51<jmcnaught>somename: almost every command has a manual page you can read with the "man" command, for example "man vncserver". You can look for relevant man pages with "apropos vncserver"
01:52<somename>That worked beautifully, thank you.
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01:54<jmcnaught>somename: i'm not sure about KDE, but Gnome includes a VNC server, look for "Desktop sharing" in the menus
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01:56<jmcnaught>somename: also since you've got ssh working, you could try X forwarding. "ssh -X user@remotecomputer", then running an X program should have it display on the local computer
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01:57<somename>Well I am looking for the easiest solution, whatever you think that is. It does not look like vncserver has an option to run at startup which is what I need
01:57<Mittens2001>somename
01:57<jmcnaught>Mittens2001: please don't private message me.
01:57<Mittens2001>respond to my pm pls
01:57<somename>The KDE install is the bare metal install and a headless computer. I would like to just turn it on and then be able to connect to it via VNC
01:57<Mittens2001>my apologies jmcnaught
01:57<jmcnaught>Mittens2001: for that matter, please don't private message anyone else either
01:57<somename>or in some way to see the desktop
01:57<Mittens2001>i can't really say it here though
01:58<Mittens2001>can i pm you just once more jmcnaught
01:59<jmcnaught>Mittens2001: okay but if it's something inappropriate i'm going to tattle on you
02:00<jmcnaught>somename: i bet that KDE has a similar "desktop sharing" that you can configure from it's main settings app. I don't have KDE installed so I can't really tell you what exactly to look for
02:00<somename>It probably does. I was reading your comments again...ssh has the ability to transmit the desktop? If so I am not sure I would need VNC then
02:01<somename>since SSH might be more secure
02:01<somename>KDE has something called virtual desktops, but I dont think that is the same as desktop sharing
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02:06<somename>When I research these linux questions on the internet in general, I only find results from like 10 years ago
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02:12<jmcnaught>somename: virtual desktops is something different. it's sort of like a poor-folk's multi-monitor set up where you can have your windows on different "virtual" screens
02:12<Mittens2001>alright i'll shorten up my question and hopefully i can get an answer before being banned this time
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02:13<Mittens2001>is this accurate? https://pay.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/27jdhj/how_do_i_install_debian_sidunstable/ci1ea85
02:13<Mittens2001>the sources.list part, that is
02:13<somename>Thanks for the info. Yeah I dont need the virtual desktop
02:13<jmcnaught>somename: ssh doesn't really transmit the desktop, only applications. Say you use "ssh -X ..." and then on the remote terminal you ran "iceweasel", it Iceweasel would be displayed on the local computer, but actually be running on the remote computer
02:14<somename>I will have to think about what that means for a bit
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02:15<jmcnaught>Mittens2001: that doesn't look like a very good idea to me, especially if you're a beginner. Testing/Unstable aren't really meant for getting the latest versions of stuff.. they're sort of like long term alpha and beta versions meant for bug testers
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02:17<Mittens2001>i completely understand. i realize that i'll probably face some difficulties/crashes using testing/unstable. im just asking whether it's possible to get packages from the unstable source and then getting security and updates from testing
02:19<jmcnaught>Mittens2001: from what I understand unstable gets security fixes faster than testing. However using testing/unstable to get newer versions negates many of the reasons for picking Debian in the first place. Newer software isn't better, it's just newer.
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02:20<Mittens2001>there is no unstable security soruce
02:20<Mittens2001>source*
02:20<Mittens2001>are you saying i should just get rid of the jessie security lines?
02:21<jmcnaught>Mittens2001: i don't really have any advice for you on installing jessie or unstable beyond reading the documentation on how to do it (not following advice from reddit, forums or blogs)
02:22<Mittens2001>https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ#Q._How_do_I_install_.22unstable.22_.28.22sid.22.29.3F
02:22<Mittens2001>the documentation is quite vague
02:22<jmcnaught>Mittens2001: personally having a computer that works reliably so that I can get work done is more important that having the latest versions of stuff. That's why I use Wheezy on my computers
02:23<somename>I cant access the remote terminal, I can ssh to it, but running iceweasle on it for example I assume would require that I start the program via the terminal
02:24<somename>The only connection I have to the remote terminal is an ethernet cable. no monitor or keyboard/mouse etc
02:24<jmcnaught>somename: use the -X option with ssh, then run iceweasel (or another GUI program) inside the ssh session
02:24<somename>unless I unplug the local computer and plug the compenents into the remote computer
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02:25<somename>Can I see the desktop on the remote terminal with ssh -X?
02:25<somename>I am not getting it
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02:27<somename>Computer A has the keyboard/mouse and monitor. Computer B has only an ethernet cable connected to it.
02:27<somename>I can SSH from computer A to computer B
02:27<jmcnaught>somename: X forwarding over ssh doesn't show you the whole desktop, it transplants the GUI of a single application over the network. If you want to see the whole desktop, you need to use something like VNC.
02:28<somename>I think I see now. If Computer B has ice weasle on it, but computer A does not. I can start ice weasle via SSH on computer B, yet see the GUI on computer A
02:29<jmcnaught>somename: yes
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02:30<somename>But how would I start iceweasle on computer B via SSH from computer A?
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02:32<jmcnaught>somename: why don't you try it right now.. it doesn't have to be iceweasel, any GUI application will work. use "ssh -X user@computerB" to connect, then inside the ssh session on computerB type "iceweasel" (or something else maybe, like dolphin, or kate maybe)
02:32<somename>Just type iceweael right at the terminal?
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02:33<jmcnaught>somename: for what you're trying to do (display a whole desktop remotely) you could look into XDMCP, which is a feature of the Display Manager (KDM in the case of KDE)
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02:33<somename>I will see if I can find that
02:34<jmcnaught>somename: yeah.. even on your local computer you can run gui applications from the command line (inside a terminal emulator)
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02:36<somename>I am thinking I should just install Debian Gnome on this remote machine so that it matches my virtual install
02:36<somename>that way I can just use the desktop sharing feature
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02:37<somename>jm - you have been really patient and very helpful, I appreciate it. I will get Gnome on this machine and probably be back tomorrow
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02:38<jmcnaught>somenamevm: hey.. i was going to suggest maybe purchasing a KVM switch to ease the pain of switching keyboard/video/mouse?
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02:50<somenamevm>I am back at the virtual machine. I should be able to do this by having the VNC run at startup
02:51<somenamevm>Not really a fan of KDE so far
02:51<somenamevm>The fallback version of gnome makes more sense to me
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10:54<f1x3d>hi all. I used laptop-mode-tools to set hybernation on my laptop (asus eee). To test it I set it to hybernate at 90% (which maybe was stupid). And now I cant boot back into the computer. Everytime it gets to the desktop it imidiatly goes back into hibernation. What can i do?
10:54<f1x3d>oh yeah. and the battery is fully charged now.
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10:59<planetmaker>f1x3d, can you login into console (no graphical login) without it hibernating?
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11:00<f1x3d>at the boot screen i can chose command or shell
11:00<f1x3d>but thats it
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11:00<f1x3d>grub bash like
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11:01<hippl>Hi all, I'd like some ideas to create a whole system only backup create something like an iso, save it on a disk and boot from it. Only system needed not home/* files and so on any ideas?
11:01<f1x3d>even recoverymode boots into the hibarnated image
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11:02<hippl>I just want whole system, which means programs,settings and so on
11:03<hippl>clonezilla gonna be a good idea?
11:04<Brigo>hippl, bootcd
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11:10<hippl>Brigo, thank you very much looks exactly what I needed. Apreciated :)
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11:20<hippl>Brigo, can I use image on a usb and boot from there on bootcd? I mean create iso send it on usb then boot from usb
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13:06<hippl>[warn] Starting FTP server: vsftpd[....] vsftpd failed - probably invalid config. ... (warning).
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13:08<hippl>http://paste.debian.net/106171/ am I doing something wrong?
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13:10<somiaj>have you modified the config file or is this the config file that is shiped with the wheezy package?
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13:12<oldlaptop_>hippl: You may want to try running vsftpd directly, many daemons have command-line options to turn off backgrounding and log to console
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13:12<hippl>somiaj, I'm on debian jessie (testing)
13:13<oldlaptop>#debian-next
13:13<oldlaptop>#debian is for stable :)
13:13<somiaj>hippl: then y ou should be asking on #debian-next, but yes look at the config (maybe people more familar with vsftpd can spot errors) or make sure you dont' have some other ftp server or serveice running on the ftp port
13:13<hippl>Well I think I'm making something wrong and doesnt really have to do with stable or testing
13:14<hippl>but I'll join
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13:14<oldlaptop>hippl: the config file format may or may not be different between stable and sid/testing
13:14<victory>wonders if new line is needed @eof
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13:27<hippl>I think I found it, it was cause of ipv6
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16:13<SamB>hmm, wait, how do I tell which key xterm thinks is Meta?
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17:17<Mannequin>hi. I've just installed a PCI Ethernet card (brand/model: TP-Link TF-3239DL v.3.3)
17:18<Mannequin>the chip is RTL8139.
17:18<Mannequin>in the dmesg log it seems it's detected correctly.
17:18<Mannequin>but running "ifconfig" only displays the loopback device.
17:19<ratcheer>Mannequin: Have you installed firmware-realtek?
17:19<Mannequin>ratcheer, mmm, not sure. :) Will check that. Thanks.
17:19<babilen>dpkg: RTL8139
17:19<dpkg>The Realtek RTL-8139 10/100 PCI NIC uses either the 8139too or 8139cp (RTL-8139C+ series) drivers for device support in Linux, *not* ne2k-pci. See also <rtl81x9.c>.
17:20<Mannequin>nop, not installed. I'll get the .deb and install it using dpkg -i
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17:21<babilen>dpkg: rtl81x9.c
17:21<dpkg>rtl81x9.c is the OpenBSD Realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers."
17:21<babilen>heh
17:22<Mannequin>argh! And I just bought it!
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17:23<Mannequin>should I expect connection issues?
17:23<sney>just bought an 8139? if you paid more than $10 you got hosed. But, they usually work okay for non-advanced ethernet
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17:23<sney>they are really common so I wonder if that quote is even relevant anymore after all the bug fixes that surely got written into the driver
17:24<Mannequin>sney, yes. I paid $9. Brand new. Would I've known and I'd have bought another.
17:24<babilen>Yeah, just thought that it is a nice quote that deserved to be read :)
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17:25<sney>if you're trying to configure it with only ifconfig and no daemons or anything, 'ifconfig eth0 up' may be your next step
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17:25<Mannequin>(but not the used one they offered me on a repair store... there was an spider -or some insect- corpse in the card!)
17:25<babilen>Mannequin: Is it really not listed in "ip a" (or "ifconfig -a" if you insist)
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17:26<sney>a literal bug!
17:26<babilen>Mannequin: I'd also like to see the output of "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i ethernet"
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17:28<Mannequin>babilen, any particular line? (it's a lot to type :) )
17:28<Mannequin>there is a line that reads:"Kernel driver in use: 8139too", but I haven't installed the realtek-firmware package yet.
17:29<babilen>Mannequin: Oh, you can't copy and paste? In that case just the kernel module and the PCIID (alphanumerical identifier that looks like [abcd:1234])
17:29<Mannequin>[10ec:8139]
17:29<babilen>ta
17:30<babilen>Mannequin: And the interface is not listed in "ip a" (or "ifconfig -a")
17:30<babilen>?
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17:31<Mannequin>babilen, oh, yes! it shows there!
17:33<Mannequin>well, there is a eth1 interface (and the dmesg log mentions that eth0 --which corresponds to 8139too-- was renamed to eth1)
17:33<Mannequin>but how can I enable it?
17:33<Mannequin>mmm, in /etc/network/interfaces, there are references to eth0
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17:34<Mannequin>(let me state that this Debian installation is on a HDD that I've moved _almost flawlessly_ from some old hardware to new hardware)
17:34<babilen>Mannequin: Well, you probably want that to be eth0. Might want to take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent-net.rules and sort that out.
17:35<Mannequin>(so there may be references to old hardware, not present anymore)
17:35<babilen>Mannequin: The problem is most likely that eth0 still belongs to an old (and no longer used?) NIC and that the new one therefore got eth1.
17:36<Mannequin>babilen, there's a chance of that.
17:36<babilen>Mannequin: You can just edit that file. Run "udevadm trigger" to replay kernel udev events (essentially refresh udev configuration/setup)
17:36<Mannequin>thanks for the pointers and the help. Let me see if I can get un-stuck.
17:37<babilen>So you can either edit the file to your liking (e.g. remove a line and change eth1 to eth0) or just remove it altogether if you don't care about anything in there (it will be recreated)
17:38<Mannequin>which file? /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules?
17:39<sney>the latter
17:39<Mannequin>thanks, babilen, sney
17:39<babilen>I did not mention /etc/network/interfaces at all and therefore assumed that my reference would be unambiguous
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17:40<babilen>Mannequin: So, did that sort you out?
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17:40<babilen>dpkg: 70
17:40<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>.
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17:42<sney>I couldn't remember udevadm last time I had to change that so I rebooted. BAD SNEY
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17:43<Mannequin>babilen, I've removed the 70-persistent-net.rules file.
17:43<Mannequin>and then ran "udevadm trigger"
17:44<Mannequin>I'm not sure what to do after: I've just tried "ifup eth0" and "ifup eth1" with no luck.
17:46<babilen>Mannequin: Does "ip a" now list eth0?
17:46<Mannequin>it still shows eth1.
17:47<babilen>Did you activate eth1 before?
17:47<babilen>Mannequin: But then, just run "modprobe -r 8139too ; modprobe 8139too" or reboot.
17:48<Mannequin>oh! That did it :)
17:49<babilen>You should now be able to run "ifup eth0"
17:49<Mannequin>now eth0 is listed when running "ifconfig"
17:49<babilen>Mannequin: And you should get used to using ip rather than ifconfig :)
17:49<Mannequin>babilen, it's already up, and an ip is assigned
17:50<Mannequin>babilen, thanks, will keep that in mind. Thanks for your help and your time.
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17:50<Mannequin>thank you, sney. too.
17:50<sney>no problem.
17:50<babilen>Mannequin: Enjoy! (cf. http://www.tty1.net/blog/2010/ifconfig-ip-comparison_en.html)
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17:53<Mannequin>so, to recap... the driver for rtl8139 (8139too) was already in the kernel... but my card wasn't being configured (ie. interface was down) because it was automagically renamed from eth0 to eth1 to avoid some kind of conflict with old, non-present hardware.
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17:54<Mannequin>then, we removed the udev rule that renamed it on start-up, right?
17:54<Mannequin>let's see if this survives a reboot :)
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17:55<babilen>Mannequin: Interface names are simply being kept static so that you always know that cable plugged in here will always be eth0, cable plugged in there eth1, ...
17:56<babilen>That means, however, that you get eth1 (or ethLAST+1) if you put a new card in your computer or move it to new hardware altogether)
17:56<babilen>Just imagine the chaos you would have if interface names would change constantly.
17:56<babilen>"today I am eth1, lets see how they cope with that!"
17:57<Mannequin>:)
17:57<ratcheer>babilen: udev can do that
17:58<ratcheer>On Arch, it kept switching my wlan between wlan0 and wlp6s0
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17:58<Mannequin>babilen, configuration survived a reboot :D
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17:59<Mannequin>so, as I mentioned earlier, I've moved my Debian installation from old hardware to new hardware.
18:00<babilen>ratcheer: yes, that is *exactly* my point
18:00<Mannequin>I did it by just moving the HDD. It worked pretty well, I had just to do some grub2 voodoo to get Debian booting
18:00<babilen>ratcheer: Or do you mean "udev can randomly rename your interfaces" ?
18:01<Mannequin>are there any steps I could/should take to "clean up" my Debian install from leftovers?
18:01<babilen>Mannequin: So, keep in mind that you will have to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules in the future
18:01<babilen>Mannequin: Well, there are *many* things that could be done, but nothing that is specific to your situation.
18:02<babilen>(e.g. "aptitude purge '~c'", "apt-get --purge autoremove", "aptitude purge '~o'", "apt-get autoclean", ... to begin with (for package management))
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18:04<Mannequin>ok, will begin with those aptitude purge commands
18:04<Mannequin>ok, will begin with those aptitude purge commands
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18:05<babilen>Mannequin: Don't remove something you want to keep though (~c matches removed but not purged packages (those with configuration files still installed), ~o "obsolete" ones (not in any configured archive, might match third-party software such as skype, ...)
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18:10<Mannequin>ok
18:11<Mannequin>I found the output of "ip" a bit hard to read compared to ifconfig. Looking for a pretty print option :)
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21:16<nevyn>Mannequin: you're kidding right?
21:16<Mannequin>nevyn, about what?
21:17<nevyn>08:11 < Mannequin> I found the output of "ip" a bit hard to read compared to ifconfig. Looking for a pretty print option :)
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21:17<Mannequin>well, the output of ip seems a bit cluttered, but maybe I'll get accustomed
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21:18<nevyn>what command exactly?
21:18<nevyn>I'm currently working on systems with 10 bonded network interfaces.
21:19<nevyn>ip addr|grep inet is my go-to "what's the config of this box"
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21:22<nevyn>Mannequin: mostly because ifconfig is 162 lines of output
21:22<nevyn>ip addr is 60
21:22<nevyn>and ip addr|grep inet is 8
21:22<Mannequin>well, I appreciate some whitespace and blank lines :). Thanks for the follow up and the grep tip.
21:24<nevyn>the bigger problem is ifconfig is lies.
21:24<nevyn>it's perfectly falid to create an anonymous ip alias using something like ip addr add <IP> dev <IF>
21:25<nevyn>and ifconfig will never show it to you
21:25<nevyn>s/faild/valid
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22:57<alfredo>hola, necesito ayuda con un script
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23:24<trisita>hi
23:25<trisita>I want to register myself as a community user, system asks me for a registration code, can anyone help me please?
23:26<trisita>I'm using Linux Mint 17 Mate
23:27<trisita>?
23:28<trisita>can anyone help?
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23:30<trisita_>Hi, I am looking for a registration code to be able to register in linux community
23:30<trisita_>can anyone help please?
23:31<trisita_>can anyone help please?
23:31<trisita_>can anyone help please?
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23:40<jmcnaught>trisita_: this is the #debian support channel.. maybe you're looking for the Mint channel?
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23:49<trisita_>yah mint channel
23:51<babilen>dpkg: mint
23:51<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
23:51<babilen>trisita_: And do them a favour and don't repeat the same questions five times withing a few seconds.
23:52<trisita_>lol Babilen
23:52<trisita_>ok thanks
23:52<trisita_>i was a bit frustrated thats y
23:52<trisita_>have fun tc
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