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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-06-24

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00:13<ncl_>that's the worst brainfuck program I've ever seen
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00:14<retrospectacus>yeah. It just prints "42"
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00:38<jalalsfs>How to install flash player on chromium?
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00:39<aleval>who is there
00:39<jalalsfs>I installed 'flashplugin-nonfree', then I run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install", but no benefit?
00:40<aleval>Anyone can help about postfix?
00:40<aleval>Or should I go into another room?
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00:53<jmcnaught>jalalsfs: i think you need the pepperflashplugin-nonfree packages (which for wheezy is in backports) because chromium upstream stopped working with the old plugin API
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00:54<jmcnaught>aleval: there is a #postfix on freenode.. but maybe if you tell us the specific problem you're having someone might be able to help
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00:57<aleval>ok I installed a small mailserver wich relays to gmail; i sent to an adress tiscali.it a mail that is too big; I need my server to stop trying to send this mail, but i cannot find wich command to use
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01:00<jmcnaught>aleval: sounds like you want the postsuper command, check the man page for it
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01:01<aleval>I tried but it doesn’t work
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01:02<jmcnaught>aleval: you might try asking in #postfix on freenode then
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01:03<jm_>and by no means do not mention exact command you used or any possible messages it gives
01:04<aleval>thanks a lot!:-)
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01:05<jmcnaught>aleval: ^ is sarcasm by the way.. "doesn't work" doesn't tell anyone anything.. they'll appreciate a detailed question
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01:12<aleval>I understand…
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01:12<aleval>I’m a bit new to irc and to linux too!
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01:15<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell aleval -about smart questions
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01:16<aleval>i don’t understand …
01:16<jmcnaught>aleval: you should have gotten a message from the dpkg bot with a link
01:17<aleval>ok
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03:02<maitreya>folks got a couple of questions about nvidia drivers? I hope that I am in the right channel
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03:03<jm_>only if you are using debian
03:06<maitreya>jm_: yes, I am running debian squeeze with the stock nvidia drivers and question is about adjusting system performance.
03:06<maitreya>jm_: *my
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03:07<jm_>maitreya: then go ahead and ask but you should really upgrade to wheezy
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03:11<maitreya>jm_: sure, my question is about the open source nouveau drivers. Do they support adjusting system performance according to the needs of system?
03:12<maitreya>jm_: something that the nvidia driver is really bad at? Its runnig the gpu at full clock for youtube videos :|
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03:14<phillipsjk>Re-clocking is something they developers have be doing slowly because doing it wrong can damage the hardware.
03:14<maitreya>jm_: my current workaround is use something called nvidia's powermizer and force the card to run a clock of my choosing. Obviously, it involves restarting X everytime
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03:15<phillipsjk>They hang out in #nouveau on freenode.
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03:16<maitreya>phillipsjk: thanks
03:16<phillipsjk>I think the answer is mostly "no" though.
03:17<jm_>maitreya: I don't know, I don't use nouveau driver, and I never noticed the problem you mention with youtube and nvidia driver
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03:24<maitreya>jm_: my window manger is kde with all bells and whistles turned on and It happens when I watch hd videos on youtube. Right now I adjust powermizer accordingly.
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03:28<maitreya>phillipsjk: Yes, I should've checked their website: s use something called nvidia's powermizer and force the card to run a clock of my choosing. Obviously, it involves restarting X everytime
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03:28<maitreya>12:44 < phillipsjk> They hang out in #nouveau on freenode.
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03:28<maitreya>12:46 < maitreya> phillipsjk: thanks
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03:29<babilen>maitreya: Don't do that please.
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03:30<maitreya>babilen: sorry about that, looks like I didn't copy something properly
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03:31<phillipsjk>!tell maitreya about flood
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03:32<maitreya>phillipsjk: you were right about reclocling, it looks like its still not supported; Performance level selection (also known as "reclocking") is not supported yet.
03:32<maitreya>*reclockig
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05:38<f1x3d>hi all. Does anyone know if the intel GMA 500 (poulsbo) graphics card is supported by debian here in 2014? I have found plenty of info on the web from 2012 saying it is not. But cant figure out if it is now.
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05:55<dreadmadseen>I use smxi to install correct vid drivers
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06:02<f1x3d>dreadmadseen, yeah i have seen some writing about that - but dont think the guys who tryed it out made it work with the GMA500
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06:05<jm_>!gma500
06:05<dpkg>Poulsbo is the codename of Intel's first System Controller Hub, found in several <netbooks>. Its GMA 500 graphics core is not supported by the intel Xorg driver (ITP xserver-xorg-video-psb, bug #533450). A 2D <KMS> framebuffer driver (gma500_gfx, formerly psb_gfx) was introduced at Linux 2.6.39. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Controller_Hub#GMA_500_Linux_support http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#PowerVR_based_chips_on_Linux
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06:10<f1x3d>dpkg, thanks! i guess that means the 2D accelaration is supported now :) - right?
06:10<dpkg>f1x3d: my pleasure
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06:12<f1x3d>i dont need 3D so it is ok :).
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06:15<jm_>you might want to check that bug report too
06:16<f1x3d>jm_, thanks. I know there is a lot of issues with suspend etc. it's a mess with that card ... but what can you do :)
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06:16<jm_>f1x3d: yeah no wonder they gave up on that path
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06:17<f1x3d>yeah as i understand it the Intel driver is very messy. Not that I am technical enough to be able to tell but thats what i read
06:17<f1x3d>seen alot of writing about how hopeless it is :)
06:18<f1x3d>but for a simple fluxbox install i guess it will all be ok ...
06:18<f1x3d>thanks alot for helping out!
06:21<jm_>no worries
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06:48<devilduck>hi to all
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07:42<evaldas>heyy everyone
07:42<evaldas>Anyone from UK?
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07:48<Maulkin>evaldas: yes, lots of people.
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07:52<stdhell>I thought "stable" meant that programs stays pretty much the same and only receive bugfixes and security updates. Something like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751858 shouldn't happen in "stable", right?
07:54<Brigo>,v chromium
07:54<judd>Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 34.0.1847.116-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1; jessie: 35.0.1916.153-2; sid: 35.0.1916.153-2; experimental: 36.0.1985.84-1
07:54<jm_>stdhell: not strictly true anymore
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07:55<Brigo>stdhell, 35.0 is in security repo
07:55<stdhell>Brigo: Yes, and that's the one that doesn't work.
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07:58<Maulkin>stdhell: With some programs (typically browsers) they don't have any stable releases upstream. This means for security fixes, we need to get the next release.
07:58<Maulkin>stdhell: The other choice is to drop it completely from stable.
07:59<jm_>or to get someone to backport the changes :)
08:00<Maulkin>Yeah, or that. But the security team have said they can't backport the fixes basically
08:00<jm_>yeah no surprise with such projects
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08:03<sadrak|work> echo {01..28}
08:03<sadrak|work>1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 ...
08:03<sadrak|work>buy under ubuntu i get
08:03<sadrak|work>01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 ...
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08:03<sadrak|work>damn, i thought 4 rows are OK without paste ....
08:03<sadrak|work>http://paste.debian.net/106509/
08:04<stdhell>You can't even easily downgrade to the older version where keyboard input works as expected. The profile has been used by a newer version, so that's locked. :-/
08:04<sadrak|work>forget my question, my server running a to old debian ...
08:04<sadrak|work>newer debian work as expected
08:05<jm_>sadrak|work: which shell is that? i get 0x with both zsh and bash in debian 7
08:05<jm_>ahh ok
08:05<sadrak|work>so i will use perl, thx :)
08:05<stdhell>I get 01 on 6.0.9 too...
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08:25<wei>hid-generic 0003:1A2C:0021.0003:usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed: -l
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08:25<wei>how can i to fix it
08:25<wei>?
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08:28<devil>wei: is anything broken?
08:29<wei>yeah,when i boot my computer,i will see it on the screen
08:30<devil>I was not talking about the kernel message, but if anything is broken
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08:33<devil>obviously not. so just ignore it
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09:24<mestia>having stupid problem with nfs client, rpcinfo doesn't have nlockmgr servise in the output, where to dig ?
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10:14<warhead>Hi
10:14<centrx>!hi
10:14<dpkg>hello, centrx
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10:19<sven>in a multiarch system, i have a circular conflict with a package named libjpeg-turbo-official: http://paste.debian.net/106530/
10:19<sven>installing the i386 version forces out the default amd64 version, and vice versa
10:20<sven>this does not happen for any other library, and i cannot figure out why
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10:27<sven>it turns out the package is missing a Multi-Arch field in the Packages file
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10:58<ida>hi there
10:59<retrospectacus>hi ida
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10:59<ida><retrospectacus> I'm unable to change pointer-cursor theme
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11:00<retrospectacus>there are hundreds of people here; don't single me out and presume I can help you just because I said hello
11:00<ida><retrospectacus> ok sorry
11:01<retrospectacus>!ask
11:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:05<Oebele>!smart questions
11:05<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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11:10<ida>I have a problem with changing pointer-cursor theme; I'm running Debian version 7.5.0 with mate 1.8. When I try to change the cursor theme under "preferences >appearance > themes" nothing change, the cursor remains like always.
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11:28<trico>how do i apply changes in /etc/network/interfaces? i changed the netmask but its not taking after restarting networking or down+up the interface
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11:33<trico>how do i apply changes in /etc/network/interfaces? i changed the netmask but its not taking after restarting networking or down+up the interface
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11:34<retrospectacus>trico: down/up should do it. Is there "broadcast" to change as well? Check dmesg|tail ? try changin it with "ifconfig eth0 netmask ..." or so?
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11:40<trico>isnt it automatic? i dont have it in etc/network/interfaces
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11:41<retrospectacus>it is. just checking
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11:50<ida>ok, bye have a good one
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11:56<Proton>hai
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12:03<Proton>heello
12:03<Proton>ubuntu lovers ??
12:03<Proton>any
12:03<petn-randall>!ubuntu
12:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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12:05<Proton>dpkg -- debian sucker .. i dont need any sugesntion from you .. _|_
12:05<dpkg>Proton: I give up, what is it?
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12:06<Proton>your are fast.. dpkg are you computerised
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12:07<petn-randall>Proton: This is a Debian support channel. If you don't have a question about Debian, I'm kindly asking you to take it to another channel.
12:07<petn-randall>Proton: And yes, dpkg is a bot.
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12:17<Proton>\s'lfihjs'pdjfoeih[otjeit jerij oeij oejrp jwel; m;l mw;el\s'lfihjs'pdjfoeih[otjeit jerij oeij oejrp jwel; m;l mw;el\s'lfihjs'pdjfoeih[otjeit jerij oeij oejrp jwel; m;l mw;el\s'lfihjs'pdjfoeih[otjeit jerij oeij oejrp jwel; m;l mw;el\s'lfihjs'pdjfoeih[otjeit jerij oeij oejrp jwel; m;l mw;el\s'lfihjs'pdjfoeih[otjeit jerij oeij oejrp jwel; m;l mw;el\s'lfihjs'pdjfoeih[otjeit jerij oeij oejrp jwel; m;l mw;el\s'lfihjs'pdjfoeih[otjeit jerij oeij oejrp jwel; m;l mw;
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12:29<klaris>hi there, anyone alive? i need help @.@
12:29<babilen>dpkg: ask
12:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:29<klaris>sorry, i have problem installing wacom drivers in wheezy
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12:30<retrospectacus>klaris: that is barely better
12:30<retrospectacus>klaris: read ^^ and try again
12:31<babilen>I wasn't aware that you had to install drivers for that.
12:31<klaris>i did many things i found on google but nothing worked
12:32<klaris>at first, i dont have wacom in /dev/input
12:33<klaris>$ uname -r 3.2.0-4-amd64
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12:37<klaris>babilen, i tried this http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxwacom/ and my wacom is cth-680s
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12:39<babilen>klaris: That is packaged as xserver-xorg-input-wacom
12:39<babilen>judd: v xserver-xorg-input-wacom
12:39<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-input-wacom on i386 -- squeeze: 0.10.5+20100416-1; squeeze-backports: 0.10.10+20110203-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.15.0+20120515-2; jessie: 0.23.0+20131011-1+b1; sid: 0.23.0+20131011-1+b1
12:39<babilen>So you might want to install that package
12:39<klaris>babilen, i have this package
12:39<retrospectacus>klaris: did you read "man wacom"?
12:39<klaris>yes
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12:40<babilen>Okay, so what happens if you start Xorg? Is there anything notable in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? Have you read "man 4 wacom" and /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html ?
12:40<babilen>judd: file /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html
12:40<judd>No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file.
12:40<babilen>Not sure what the latter refers to
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12:42<klaris>babilen, "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep wacom" nothing...
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12:43<klaris>i dont have /usr/doc folder
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12:44<retrospectacus>apparently "doc-linux-fr-html" has /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/fr-html/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html .... :\
12:44<klaris>sorry guys, my english and my linux knowledge is still low
12:44<retrospectacus>d'you know French? :P
12:44<Maulkin>klaris: you could also try in #debian-cz
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12:46<retrospectacus>klaris: your English is good though. Can you put your xorg.conf wacom snippet and Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net/ ?
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12:46<babilen>klaris: Sorry, I simply never owned a Wacom tablet and therefore don't know much about them. I was, however, under the impression that they just work ... Please paste the log file to http://paste.debian.net
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12:47<klaris>retrospectacus, sure thing, wait a second...
12:49<klaris>http://pastebin.com/Sb9vTcaf
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12:50<retrospectacus>klaris: now the xorg.conf wacom snippet, and please use http://paste.debian.net/
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12:52<klaris>http://paste.debian.net/106552/ xorg
12:52<klaris>and what is wacom snippet?
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12:53<retrospectacus>nothing about wacom there
12:53<retrospectacus>you need an Input section for the tablet, in xorg.conf - as "man wacom" describes
12:54<retrospectacus>InputDevice, that is
12:54<klaris>i tried to add this http://wiki.ubuntu.cz/wacom_tablet
12:54<klaris>but nothing changed
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12:56<klaris>how should i find the "Device" "path"?
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12:57<retrospectacus>possibly by regarding "dmesg|tail" immediately after plugging in the device.
12:58<klaris>i see
12:58<klaris>but what is that path?
12:58<klaris>[ 2519.028928] usb 2-1.2: USB disconnect, device number 5
12:58<klaris>[ 2522.296418] usb 2-1.2: new full-speed USB device number 6 using ehci_hcd
12:58<klaris>[ 2522.393352] usb 2-1.2: New USB device found, idVendor=056a, idProduct=0303
12:58<klaris>[ 2522.393363] usb 2-1.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
12:58<klaris>[ 2522.393369] usb 2-1.2: Product: Intuos PTM
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12:59<klaris>sorry ^^;
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13:00<retrospectacus>klaris: I don't know, possibly /dev/input/wacom . dmesg doesn't tell you?
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13:02<klaris>i dont see any path http://paste.debian.net/106554/
13:03<retrospectacus>is /dev/input/wacom created?
13:04<klaris>no
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13:06<retrospectacus>does "xsetwacom list" output anything?
13:06<klaris>nope
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13:08<Hans_>Hello
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13:09<retrospectacus>klaris: I'm out of ideas, unless you want to try xorg.conf configuration and show us the resulting log.
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13:09<retrospectacus>hello Hans_
13:10<Hans_>i am just following the thread
13:10<klaris>retrospectacus: i would like to do that configuration but i dont know what to write in path
13:10<klaris>retrospectacus: but thanks for your help anyway :)
13:10<TobiX>klaris: I don't see any indication that a modern kernel should create /dev/input/wacom - Consider all HOWTOs mentioning this as old and outdated...
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13:11<tafb>trying to get autologin as root: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/red-hat-fedora-linux/161190-solved-auto-login-root-gnome.html#post825933
13:11<tafb>doesn't seem to be working on my wheezy 7.5 with gnome :(
13:12<retrospectacus>tafb: ignoring all the advice that it is a really terrible idea?
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13:12<tafb>terrible or not, would like to know if it's possible.
13:12<klaris>TobiX: so... what should i do next? i am out of ideas for a few hours... :D
13:13<petn-randall>tafb: First and most important question: Why do you want to autologin as root?
13:13<tafb>lol
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13:13<tafb>enough with the questions, more with the solutions :D
13:14<retrospectacus>it's not something we're interested in helping someone do, frankly
13:15<TobiX>klaris: Could you paste the output of "lsusb -d 056a: -v" somewhere?
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13:16<petn-randall>tafb: Quite frankly I don't want to help people do stupid/dangerous things, I'll pass on that one.
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13:16<klaris>TobiX: lsusb (usbutils) 005
13:16<tafb>In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution
13:17<tafb># bits.
13:17<tafb>do I have to do that to get rc.local to run?
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13:18<TobiX>klaris: Huh? That's strange
13:19<retrospectacus>tafb: yes: chmod +x rc.local
13:19<tafb>sweet, maybe that was the problem :)
13:19<klaris>TobiX: not strange, i am idiot (wrong v) XD wait a sec
13:20<klaris>TobiX: http://paste.debian.net/106562/
13:21<TobiX>klaris: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/tablet/wacom_wac.c?id=b5fd2a3e92ca5c8c1f3c20d31ac5daed3ec4d604
13:21<TobiX>klaris: How new is your kernel?
13:21<tafb>attemting reboot...
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13:22<klaris>TobiX: it's 3.2.0-4-amd64
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13:22<TobiX>klaris: Waaaaaaaay toooo old for that hardware. The wacom driver is never loaded in the first place
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13:23<TobiX>,v linux
13:23<judd>No package named 'linux' was found in i386.
13:23<retrospectacus>,kernels
13:23<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-trunk-686-pae (3.15.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.7-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6)
13:24<klaris>TobiX: aaaaa... i see, and... um... is it a problem to upgrade kernel?
13:24<TobiX>retrospectacus: Thanks
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13:24<klaris>TabiX: nevermind, i can consult it with google :D
13:24<TobiX>klaris: If you want to use it, your kernel should be at least 3.13 if I read the history right...
13:24<retrospectacus>klaris: you can get the wheezy-backports one: 3.14
13:25<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell klaris about backports kernel
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13:27<TobiX>klaris: AFAICS, this should be the correct howto: https://wiki.debian.org/WacomTablets (and now I know where the /dev/input/wacom device comes from ;))
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13:28<klaris>TobiX: according to this https://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel i did "$ apt-cache search linux-image"
13:29<TobiX>klaris: OTOH, that is also quite old... Someone should check if that is all still needed...
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13:29<retrospectacus>klaris: the robot has sent you privately instructions to install the 3.14 kernel in backports.
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13:30<klaris>retrospectacus: thanks ^^
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13:37<user>got it to work!!! Had to make a new "user", edit passwd to user:x:0:0 (i.e. root) then it let me pick that user for autologin, works great.
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13:37<klaris>okay... here comes the mighty reboot~ :D thank you, guys!
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13:41<nmsigh>Hi. My first time here. Stopped in to see if I could get sympathy from people by saying the phrase"network-manager is making me crazy" or, alternatively, "network-manager sucks"
13:41<retrospectacus>nmsigh: tried wicd?
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13:41<nmsigh>I think I might. I don't know if I even need a network manager.
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13:42<babilen>nmsigh: Use whatever you feel comfortable with. wicd is mostly dead and NM .10 has some nice changes in the pipeline.
13:43<babilen>nmsigh: http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2014/06/20/well-build-a-dream-house-of-net/
13:45<nmsigh>nmtui looks nice
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13:46<nmsigh>oh my, what a concept: "Changes you make outside of NetworkManager get picked up, respected, and reflected"
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13:47<babilen>Do you consider that problematic?
13:48<nmsigh>yeah, I was not fully aware of Network Manager until today. I spent all morning wondering why my entries in etc/networking/interfaces were beign ignored
13:52<nmsigh>aside from gui convenience, is there any compelling reason for me NOT to purge network-manager?
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13:57<babilen>nmsigh: Interfaces you define in /e/n/i will not be managed by NM
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13:57<userrescatux>hello
13:57<babilen>nmsigh: What kind of network connections do you use on that box?
13:57<nmsigh>just two wired. no wireless
13:58<babilen>nmsigh: And those won't change?
13:58<nmsigh>not very often
13:58<babilen>How often is that? Once a year? Once a day?
13:58<nmsigh>maybe every couple of mn=onths
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13:59<nmsigh>-is just a utility machine, no specific function, nothing preventing reboots
13:59<babilen>nmsigh: Feel free to purge NM then, but it shouldn't really matter either way. I would remove it in this case
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14:02<nmsigh>okay, thanks for the info.
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14:12<stabixx>hi
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14:12<nmsigh>hi stabixx
14:12<stabixx>hi nmsigh
14:13<stabixx>network-manager is terrible isn't it
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14:13<stabixx>hey NomadJim. Network-Manager is really bad, huh?
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14:14<retrospectacus>stabixx: do you have a Debian support question?
14:14<stabixx>nope. I have all the ansers, thx
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14:16<shevek>I'm trying to install Debian on an uefi machine. It booted from the usb stick (after some setup), and the installation worked without a problem. However, I'm unable to make the newly installed system boot, because the machine only supports EFI and for some reason it isn't in the list and I can't manage to add it manually. How can I make it work?
14:16<nmsigh>when I down an interface with ifconfig, network-manager doesn't seem to notice. icon still shows connected
14:16<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell shevek about fixmbr
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14:18<shevek>retrospectacus, Thanks; does that work for EFI as well?
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14:19<shevek>I tried doing grub-install manually, but the installation kernel is different from the new one, and it doesn't have the efivars module in the installation system.
14:19<nmsigh>used command line to bring interface back up, ifconfig shows it up, but no traffic is moving.
14:19<retrospectacus>it says it does
14:19<shevek>I'll try it again in any case.
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14:20<nmsigh>"network unreachable"... even after restarting network-manager
14:20<nmsigh>this seems very problematic, and confusing.
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14:20<stabixx>and terrible
14:21<nmsigh>if network-manager is in play, am I not supposed to be using ifconfig ethX up/down ?
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14:23<nmsigh>a reboot makes things work again. I can't have a machine that needs a reboot from simply downing an interface. I feel like I must be missing something here.
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14:24<Brigo>nmsigh, you can use network-manager to manage your network or you can do it wint ifconfig, but you can use both
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14:27<retrospectacus>I thought you were getting rid of nm nmsigh
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14:30<shevek>retrospectacus, I got the efivars module installed now, but it still says "Fatal: Couldn't open either sysfs or procfs directories for accessing EFI variables. Try 'modprobe efivars' as root."
14:30<shevek>(I installed it from the installation system before chrooting)
14:31<shevek>Both /sys and /proc are bind-mounted and populated.
14:31<nmsigh>I want to get rid of it, but I also want to understand what is happening
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14:32<nmsigh>I was able to get the interface working with service networking restart
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14:32<shevek>nmsigh, network manager expects to be the one handling the interfaces, so it doesn't expect you to change things at a lower level. If you disconnect using network manager, everything works.
14:32<nmsigh>gotcha
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14:32<retrospectacus>shevek: did you mount sys and proc before chrooting? (as per the robot's instruction)
14:32<nmsigh>so it's not cool to use both manual editing and nm
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14:33<shevek>retrospectacus, Yes; actually, I booted into a rescue system and told it that /dev/sda8 was my target system, and it did that for me. But I checked and they are mounted.
14:34<nmsigh>is my situation common
14:34<nmsigh>?
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14:35<shevek>nmsigh, Is there a reason you can't use network manager to down the interface? In that case, you probably want to tell network manager to just not touch it. You can do that by defining it in /etc/network/interfaces.
14:36<retrospectacus>shevek: mm I see, I would try doing it manually with the robot's instructions (mount -t sysfs none etc., not bind)
14:37<Brigo>nmsigh, what situation?
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14:37<nmsigh>I've already defined the interface in e/n/i. I'm considering that I'd like to manage this machine both on the command line and gui.
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14:37<nmsigh>the situation of wanting to use the guo and the command line without one stepping on the other
14:37<TobiX>nmsigh: NM should ignore interfaces defined in /e/n/i
14:38<nmsigh>*should* but that's not exactly what I am seeing
14:38<shevek>Well, I'm not sure if it was bind, but the output of "mount" shows that /proc, /sys, /dev, /dev/pts and /run (all inside /target) are mounted the way I expect them. And their contents are as I expect them too.
14:38<TobiX>nmsigh: Is the interface defined as DHCP?
14:38<nmsigh>no, fixed ip
14:38<TobiX>nmsigh: Did you restart NM after adding the interface to /e/n/i?
14:38<nmsigh>yes. I restart3ed the whole box
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14:40<nmsigh>set fixed ip/mask/gateway. tested, works. used ifconfig to down interface. Works. used ifconfig to up interface. Interface appears up, but is routing all traffic to 0.0.0.0 instead of my gateway.
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14:40<TobiX>Strange... Could you paste your /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf to paste.debian.net?
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14:41<TobiX>nmsigh: ifconfig does not configure your interface. ifup/ifdown does that!
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14:41<babilen>nmsigh: Plase read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian* and check the configuration regarding managed interfaces. Can you paste your NetworkManager.conf to http://paste.debian.net ?
14:41<babilen>nmsigh: And include your /e/n/i too.
14:41<retrospectacus>shevek: there may be some useful hints here http://superuser.com/questions/376470/how-to-reinstall-grub2-efi
14:42<nmsigh>okay, need a few minutes. sounds like i shoudl just not be usign ifconfig, and should use ifup/down instead
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14:42<Brigo>nmsigh, ifup are not compatible with network-manager.
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14:42<TobiX>Brigo: That's not correct
14:43<stabixx>hey breadman
14:43<nmsigh>sigh. okay, what is the preferred way to down an interface on the command line when nm is present??
14:43<stabixx>what do you hate?
14:43<Brigo>nmsigh, if you add and interface to /etc/network/interfaces to manage it network-manager will ignore it.
14:43<PosixBreadman>why, network manager of course
14:43<TobiX>nmsigh: Depends. If it is managed by NM, nmcli. If not ifup/ifdown
14:43<babilen>nmsigh: Yes. You shouldn't use ifconfig *at all* even if you don't use ifup. It has been deprecated by iproute2 and the "ip" command for ages now
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14:44<babilen>Brigo: That depends on the NetworkManager configuration, but that is the default behaviour.
14:44<babilen>stabixx: Do you require help?
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14:45<stabixx>no thx
14:45<nmsigh>so like this? " ip link set dev eth0 up"
14:45<Brigo>babilen, so you can configure NM to mange them? it is new for me.
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14:45<babilen>Brigo: You can, read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
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14:46<stabixx>hey breadman, what is your favorite thing about debian?
14:46<Brigo>i doubt it, i did not install it :)
14:46<PosixBreadman>can I pick two things?
14:46<TobiX>stabixx, PosixBreadman: Please, #debian-offtopic
14:46<stabixx>you can if your anser uses the word "&&".
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14:48<shevek>retrospectacus, Yes, it seems I need to boot the system in EFI mode to be able to run efibootmgr or something; the install stick is not UEFI, so I need to boot from something else. Which doesn't work...
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14:49<shevek>The annoying thing is that the boot system doesn't give any feedback; it just doesn't boot the system.
14:50<nmsigh>Tobix, posted files here: paste.debian.net/106575/
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14:59<nmsigh>When I use "ip link set dev eth0" with up and down, bad things happen. ifdown and ifup both work as expected. Network manager ignores everything and shows the connected icon the whole time.
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15:00<nmsigh>Sounds like the problem is that I was using the wrong command. ifup/down will be my new friends. NM might be allowed to stay.
15:01<shevek>Installing the installation kernel on my target system fixed the errors, but didn't fix the problem. :-(
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15:02<nmsigh>time for tea. back soon to see if anyone has anything to say bout mmy files or network-manager
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15:02<shevek>Oh wait, it didn't fix the error either.
15:03<shevek>But it did make it detect the Windows partition.
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15:30<nmsigh>thanks everyone for helping my stop using ifconfig. I feel modern now.
15:31<babilen>nmsigh: http://www.tty1.net/blog/2010/ifconfig-ip-comparison_en.html
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15:48<areacontrol>Thanks for this: http://www.tty1.net/blog/2010/ifconfig-ip-comparison_en.html
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15:50<babilen>yw
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15:52<stabixx>he hasn't been able to read documentation for a while...
15:53<babilen>stabixx: Take it elsewhere, ta
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15:56<areacontrol>alias ipconfig='echo ipconfig is deprecated, use ip instead'
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16:08<icetee>anyone got an ASRock C2750D4I running with debian?
16:09<icetee>that's the 8 core atom cpu/mainboard bundle
16:09<devil>icetee: ask your real queation
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16:09<devil>question even
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16:14<icetee>my question was, if anyone got a running debian on this mainboard
16:14<Kjetil>one person probably exists
16:15<icetee>or let me rephrase that for nerds
16:16<icetee>does the sata controllers work with debian, does the vga card work with debian, does the gbit nics work with debian, does the AES-NI work with debian
16:16<jmcnaught>icetee: are you asking us to do your hardware compatibility research for you?
16:16<icetee>no
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16:16<Kjetil>why not just try it ?
16:16<icetee>i did ask if someone is using this
16:17<icetee>but if noone is using it, i would have to do the research
16:17<icetee>but assholes just keep trolling me here
16:17<jmcnaught>icetee: this page might help you: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
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16:18<mtn>icetee: hilarious
16:19<jmcnaught>!anyone
16:19<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
16:19<icetee>yep. it must be hard just to ignore my question, if you are NOT running this mainboard.
16:19<devil>icetee: thanks for the compliment
16:19<jmcnaught>icetee: calling us assholes and nerds isn't a good way to get support
16:19<mtn>icetee: Wouldn't it be cool if someone came up with a way to search for information on the internet?
16:20<icetee>idiots
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16:21<jbaiter>when i have a custom repository that has a newer version of a package in the main distribution, how come the newer version gets not picked up when a package depends on it?
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16:22<jbaiter>in my case i have created a custom repository that has 'python-flask' at version 0.10 as compared to 0.8 in wheezy. i then have another package that depends on 'python-flask >= 0.10', but 'apt-get install' will not select the more recent version of python-flask but complain about the old one
16:22<jbaiter>'apt-cache show python-flask' shows me both versions
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16:26<jbaiter>aptitude does pick it up after i discard some other possibilities, though
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16:27<stabixx>icetee: i personally have not used that board. I know nothing about it and cannot be halpy to you but ascii me anyway
16:27<stabixx>i sorry you treated poorly
16:27<stabixx>oh you left
16:27<stabixx>boo hoo
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16:28<devil>stabixx: noone got treated poorly, he insulted us.
16:28<jmcnaught>jbaiter: "apt-cache policy python-flask" will show you the candidate for installation. It could be that the custom repo is a lower priority? You may be able to accomplish what you want by specifying the version or the repo with apt-get
16:28<areacontrol>I think this is where it started to go wrong: “or let me rephrase that for nerds”
16:28<devil>stabixx: so, if you cannot read, keep your comments to yourself
16:29<jbaiter>thanks jmcnaught! that got me on the right track .)
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16:29<devil>areacontrol: well, it showed his attitude
16:29<jbaiter>forgot I had pinned the main repository at priority 1001
16:29<jbaiter>:-)
16:29<stabixx>he don't need no man, dude
16:29<jbaiter>didn't know about that policy command, very useful
16:30<stabixx>y'all eat grits now, bye
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16:30<jbaiter>now everything works
16:30<jbaiter>:-)
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16:51<puchdapixel>hi, how do I find out when a new version of a package will be released in testing? I'm bit by a bug in xfce4-power-manager, testing has version 1.2 of it and it seems like the bug is fixed in 1.3
16:52<reisio>short of asking the maintainer/s, you can probably only estimate based on past intervals
16:52<puchdapixel>ok, thanks
16:52<puchdapixel>the new version is in experimental
16:53<reisio>mmm, experimental :)
16:53<puchdapixel>is there a rule for when its transitioned to testing?
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16:54<jmcnaught>puchdapixel: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xfce4-power-manager.html might have some useful information for you
16:54<reisio>IME (with other distros), time passes and if it isn't marked stable, someone files a bug to have it marked as such
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16:55<jmcnaught>puchdapixel: it's probably also worth looking the package up in the BTS, and if the bug is not reported there then you could report it
16:56<reisio>'corsac' is online and only idle for an hour :)
16:56<reisio>one of the maintainers
16:56<reisio>some don't mind being poked on irc, some do :p
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16:57<puchdapixel>ah, thanks both of you! seems like new versions often come to testing just a few weeks after experimental for that package
16:58<puchdapixel>the bug is described here (in case a maintainer is watching) https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9335
16:58<puchdapixel>I'll report it in BTS
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17:23<sander_m>Hi. I have a new Toshiba Satellite C55-A that came with Win 8.1 and I am having trouble getting dual boot to work. Installation of Jessie went well, including installing grub with EFI. But the machine always boots straight to the Windows boot manager. In the BIOS there seems to be no option to change the EFI boot order. I can only select the device (i.e. HDD), not any of the entries installed in the EFI partition.
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17:24<sander_m>Same thing with the boot menu (hitting F12 during powering on). I also tried running rescue mode from the debian CD, using my Linux partition as root, mounting the EFI parition and using `efibootmgr` but that says debian should be the first to boot
17:24<sander_m>Anyone have any ideas?
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17:35<jmcnaught>sander_m: for Jessie you should ask in #debian-next
17:36<sander_m>jmcnaught, thanks
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17:52<conehed>srcversion: 1E6912E109D5A43B310FB34
17:53<retrospectacus>conehed: do you need assistance
17:53<conehed>sorry, was in wrong channel
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18:00<jeremiah__>wtf
18:01<jeremiah__>what is your favorite viedo games
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18:02<jeremiah__>hi
18:02<devil>jeremiah__: wrong channel
18:02<jeremiah__>what
18:02<retrospectacus>jeremiah__: wrong channel.
18:03<jeremiah__>what do you mean wrong channel ?
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18:03<retrospectacus>jeremiah__: do you know what a channel is?
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18:03<jeremiah__>nope just got ubanta
18:03<retrospectacus>this channel is #debian. It is for Debian suuport, not video games... or ubuntu
18:04<retrospectacus>or "ubanta" if that is a thing
18:04<devil>the question is: can we eat it? is it a bird?
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18:05<retrospectacus>and what kind of wine goes with it
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18:06<jeremiah__>ohh ok i get it now what is nova 6
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18:06<retrospectacus>!chat
18:06<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
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18:23<koanhead>Wheezy laptop with intel Link 5150, ifup fails with 'RTNETLINK answers: Device or resource busy /n Failed to bring up wlan0.' Verified that iwlwifi is installed and modprobed, iwlwifi-firmware is present (per modinfo). Unsure how to proceed.
18:24<koanhead>Device works with xubuntu 14.04 live environment, also using iwlwifi.
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18:28<Brigo>!ubuntu
18:28<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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18:30<koanhead>I am asking for help with DEBIAN. I tested something on ubuntu. Please read before replying.
18:31<koanhead>Wheezy = debian
18:31<koanhead>Sorry: I did not use the name in the original post and thought I had done so.
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18:42<DGMurdockIII>how can i install Cinnamon or is it advised to stick with xfce on jessie
18:43<oldlaptop>koanhead: You might try a backports kernel? Ubuntu 14.04 will have a newer kernel than wheezy (and thus a newer iwlwifi)
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18:43<koanhead>oldlaptop: that sounds likely. Should I then file a bug against linux-headers-3.2.0-4?
18:44<oldlaptop>not -headers I would think?
18:45<koanhead>or maybe it would be better to file against a package I actually have installed ;^)
18:45<oldlaptop>probably!
18:45<koanhead>thanks, I'll do that
18:45<oldlaptop>I would go with whatever actually contains the iwlwifi .ko
18:46<oldlaptop>which is probably linux-image
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18:47<koanhead>yes it is, says dpkg -L
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19:49<koanhead>DGMurdockIII: Installing cinnamon on stable is not a good idea. Installing on jessie is something to talk about on #debian-next.
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20:36<koanhead>The RTNETLINK error I was getting was not kernel-related; wpa_supplicant was driving the interface and it does not work with /etc/network/interfaces config stanzas
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20:39<koanhead>The interface is still not working, probably because of misconfiguration on my part
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20:53<koanhead>More like, wpa_supplicant doesn't work specifically with `hwaddress` directive in interfaces file on wheezy (apparently- still testing)
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21:32<oldlaptop>koanhead: or maybe misconfiguration on network-manager's part?
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21:33<oldlaptop>you *can* configure wpa_supplicant from /etc/network/interfaces, IIRC
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21:36<abrotman>yes
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22:00<koanhead>oldlaptop: network-manager not installed
22:01<koanhead>wpa-supplicant works with wpa-* directives in interface file, just that it ignores the `hwaddress` directive which is needed to test in the current environment
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22:12<abrotman>koanhead: use the udev rules to do that?
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23:39<koanhead>abrotman: That's a good idea! I'll try that tomorrow I think.
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