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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-06-25

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00:27<alumno_>hola?
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01:56<ggbg>can someone recommend me some text editor?
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01:57<ggbg>gedit is not very comfortable
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01:58<jmcnaught>ggbg: vim and emacs are probably the most powerful. kate is similar to gedit from the KDE project. what don't you like about gedit?
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01:58<ncl_>ed is the standard editor ;>
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01:59<ncl_>Also I think xfce bundles mousepad which is sort of like gedit but not really
01:59<ggbg>the alignment
02:00<ggbg>i will use it for html php jquery particularly
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02:02<jmcnaught>ggbg: vim and emacs are also probably the most customizable, but both have a bit of a learning curve. Kate has syntax highlightling like gedit does.. there are quite a few to pick from
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02:05<ggbg>ok, thank you!
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02:20<uberushaximus>how do I cancel d-i if I selected the wrong tasksel tasks?
02:20<uberushaximus>can I restart d-i from tty easily?
02:20<uberushaximus>and skip to tasksel?
02:20<uberushaximus>My internet is prohibitively bad
02:21<jmcnaught>uberushaximus: the screen your on, is there a button to cancel or go back? You may need to use <tab> to get to it
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02:22<uberushaximus>jmcnaught: no, pretty much the only thing I can do is switch ttys
02:22<uberushaximus>esc and tab do nothing
02:22<uberushaximus>I'm on "Select and install software" after tasksel
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02:23<chealer>ggbg: which desktop environment do you use?
02:23<uberushaximus>if I can just kill dpkg or something and have d-i throw an error that would be cool
02:23<uberushaximus>or apt
02:23<jmcnaught>uberushaximus: is it downloading packages, or installing them at this point? You might be able to tell from tty4 (alt-f4)
02:24<uberushaximus>downloading
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02:24<jmcnaught>uberushaximus: if it's still only downloading you could try ctrl-c which might bring you back to the main menu.. i wouldn't try that once it starts installing them though
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02:25<uberushaximus>^C isn't doing anything in getty4
02:25<uberushaximus>or 1 for that matter
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02:27<jmcnaught>uberushaximus: sorry i'm not sure then. someone else might know
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02:30<jmcnaught>uberushaximus: i do have a vague memory of being able to interrupt the installer with multiple ^C but again i wouldn't do this once it starts installing stuff
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02:33<ggbg>chealer, GNOME 3.4.2
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02:57<helmut_>hi
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03:20<fgeek>what is the correct way to search source packages containing file named "dump.sh"?
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03:22<Stummi>does this file only exists in the source package but not the binary?
03:22<fgeek>probably
03:22<fgeek>I think apt-file can be used to do this. did not know about that tool
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03:23<Stummi>apt-fie doesnt search for source packages
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03:24<fgeek>ok. do you have other solutions for me? :)
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03:26<us`0gb>This is going to sound odd, but I accidentally installed GNOME. How do I get rid of it?
03:27<us`0gb>I purged gnome-session, but obviously it left all its dependencies, which are where GNOME really is.
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03:46<elixir>Hello all. I have found a nasty bug. Any one of you willing to help me find a fix? ;D
03:46*babilen takes elixir to the vet
03:48<babilen>So you are not going to tell us what that nasty bug is about?
03:48<elixir>mktemp: failed to create directory via template ‘/var/tmp/mkinitramfs_XXXXXX’: No such file or directory
03:48<elixir>update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.14-1-amd64 with 1.
03:48<elixir>dpkg: error processing package initramfs-tools (--configure):
03:48<elixir> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
03:48<elixir>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
03:48-!-elixir was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
03:48<dpkg>elixir: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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06:17<sy_ry>HELP...Can't boot into the system...I'm stuck with this...http://i.imgur.com/dTZhq7z.jpg
06:19<SynrGy>what precipitated this problem? when could you last login? (and from the screenshot, looks like this system is way behind on updates!)
06:19<sy_ry>I suspect autoremove...
06:20<sy_ry>I'd done it in last login
06:20<SynrGy>so you blindly said "yes" to removals of a bunch of important things on an upgrade?
06:20<sy_ry>Guilty
06:20<xiao106347>you removed gdm3
06:20<SynrGy>does this have complicated authentication, e.g. via a windows domain controller or something?
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06:21<SynrGy>xiao106347: eh? i'm not seeing anything like that ...
06:21<SynrGy>xiao106347: the screenshot shows failure to login as the user and failure to login as root.
06:21<SynrGy>i didn't hear a complaint "help, i'm stuck in console"
06:21<xiao106347>soga
06:21<xiao106347>i am not see pic
06:22<SynrGy>sy_ry: is this system supposed to have a graphical login?
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06:22<SynrGy>sy_ry: but answer the first question first :)
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06:24<sy_ry|2>This is the screen shot of what I get before the previous posted screenshot...http://imgur.com/QyDuKaN
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06:25<babilen>sy_ry|2: What is the actual problem? It looks fine. The system booted, but you seem to have forgotten your root password. Did you try to login as your user?
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06:26<sy_ry|2>Yes I did...The password isn't working
06:27<SynrGy>sy_ry: i see winbind in there. and you didn't answer my earlier question. are you authenticating against a domain controller?
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06:27<sy_ry|2>No i'm not authentication like that
06:27<babilen>dpkg: tell sy_ry|2 -about ifrp
06:27<SynrGy>so i can think of three possibilities: 1, busted pam. 2, busted keyboard configuration. 3, you typoed the passwords
06:28<babilen>sy_ry|2: You could reset your root password by following the steps outlined in the private message our bot just sent you
06:28<SynrGy>yeap
06:28<SynrGy>sy_ry: do you use a nonstandard keyboard layout?
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06:29<SynrGy>(actually, a fourth, busted keyboard ;)
06:29<sy_ry|2>Qwerty
06:29<babilen>But then if your pam setup is broken that might not allay your pain
06:29<SynrGy>i notice your hardware is rather ancient
06:29<SynrGy>if you have a second keyboard, you could try swapping
06:29<sy_ry|2>Yes this one's an old Pentium-4 pc
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06:31<sy_ry|2>I'll try the password reset
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06:32<SynrGy>sy_ry|2: regarding "does the keyboard work", you can try typing the password in the username field (With nobody watching, and without pressing enter :)
06:32<SynrGy>sy_ry|2: at least you can see then if all the keys in the password operate properly
06:32<SynrGy>sy_ry|2: that would show up any keyboard layout misconfiguration or hardware issue.
06:33<sy_ry|2>Yeah I've tested it like that before...I don't think the keyboard has gotten misconfigured
06:33<SynrGy>then just delete the whole thing after testing
06:33<SynrGy>but the hardware may be suspect
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06:35<sy_ry|2>btw, the pc had gnome installed, but now I don't see the operation for that initialting in the screenshot I posted...
06:35<sy_ry|2>do you think it was also removed?
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06:49<prem>how to change tracker-preferences not to search file content
06:49<prem>i want to search only filenames., but my tracker shows results including file contents
06:50<prem>how to change this behaivour
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07:22<wulong710>hehe
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07:31<Brigo>prem, that is the natural behaviour of tracker, if you do not like it, uninstall it and use the default search aplication
07:31<prem>Brigo, problem is for a single file result., it is showing hell lot of options
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07:32<prem>also if i uninstall it., the whole search stops working and it shows no result., is there anyway to do proper search in nautilus without this tracker?
07:33<Brigo>try gnome-search-tool
07:33<Brigo>it only searches for file names
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07:43<rustyraptor>hi
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07:45<zmax>oii
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07:46<zmax>cmo vai
07:46<Brigo>!it
07:46<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
07:46<rustyraptor>I am in this really awkward situation with my computer. I need some quick advice.
07:46<zmax>como
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07:47<dan[work]>I need a little direction troubleshooting debian's detection of a camera sd card, lspci shows a SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Device 8520 but the card does not appear in the disk utility. Could someone please suggest a way forward?
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07:48<Brigo>dan[work], may be the camera should share it ...
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07:50<dan[work]>Brigo: it works off a sd to usb adapter :D although I am curious why it doesn't appear when using the sd card slot
07:50<rustyraptor>I have this old desktop with no monitor. I want to install vortexbox on it. I have it as a bootable USB. I also have a puppy cd and the desktop was set to automatically boot from CD first. the computer is on the network. I am able to ping it. Can I use the network to get it to boot off the USB?
07:50<prem>Brigo, but is there any option in nautilus to directly search
07:51<planetmaker>rustyraptor, that usually is a setting to be changed in the bios. So probably the answer is 'no'
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07:51<Brigo>prem, directly search what, sd cards?
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07:52<prem>Brigo, no search for documents directly inside nautilus
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07:53<Brigo>prem, i think it should do, but i do not use it, so i can not help you
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07:56<rustyraptor>ok I would still like to ssh into it or something. I tried but it tells my connection refused port 22
07:56<rustyraptor>I think it has booted into puppy linux because I set it to CD as first priority
07:56<rustyraptor>and I can ping it too
07:58<Brigo>rustyraptor, during normal debian install (i do not know about puppy) you get network, so you can ping but you never get ssh server, so you will never can connect
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08:14<kampmannpeine>Hello and good day
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08:15<kampmannpeine>I have a problem of upgrading debian wheezy is this the correct channel?
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08:16<kampmannpeine>the package gives following error message:
08:16<kampmannpeine>from the normal package for system-upgrad I got the following error: E: Error http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main linux-libc-dev i386 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80]
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08:17<Stummi>,v libc
08:17<judd>No package named 'libc' was found in i386.
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08:17<Stummi>,v linux-libc-dev
08:17<judd>Package: linux-libc-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32-48squeeze4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.32-48squeeze7; wheezy: 3.2.57-3; squeeze-backports: 3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.2.57-3+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 3.2.57-3+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 3.14.7-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.14.7-1; sid: 3.14.7-1;
08:17<judd>experimental: 3.15.1-1~exp1
08:18<Stummi>kampmannpeine, mak an apt-get (or aptitude) update
08:18<Stummi>s/mak/do
08:19<Stummi>before your upgrade
08:19<kampmannpeine>@Stummi: I did and got a similar error (with apt-get and aptitude)
08:19<Stummi>can you show me your similar error?
08:19<kampmannpeine>@stummi: yes _ however it is much text - you have an e-mail?
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08:20<Stummi>kampmannpeine, paste.debian.net
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08:23<kampmannpeine>@stummi: done under "kampmannpeine" - you can read it?
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08:25<Stummi>no, you should have get an url you can paste here now
08:25<kampmannpeine>I am sorry: it produced an error ! I'll repeat it ...
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08:28<kampmannpeine>@stummi: now done
08:28<kampmannpeine>under "kampmann"
08:28<blast007>kampmannpeine: you should give us the URL
08:28<kampmannpeine>ok, sorry
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08:28<kampmannpeine>http://paste.debian.net/106692/
08:29<Stummi>kampmannpeine, remove the cdrom entry from your sources.list file
08:29<Stummi>(/etc/apt/sources.list)
08:29<kampmannpeine>:) It is not my everyday job - though
08:29<kampmannpeine>I comment it out!
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08:29<kampmannpeine>tnx
08:29<Stummi>or delete them, you probably won't need them ever again
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08:30<Stummi>after the update was successful you should be able to do your upgrade
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08:34<kampmannpeine>seems to run .... many, many thanks ...
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08:36<kampmannpeine>so my question: I did a netinst from CD months ago ... evidently it created the CD entries in "sources.list" ... now: I should eliminate the CD entries after install??
08:36<abrotman>yes
08:37<kampmannpeine>always?
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08:38<kampmannpeine>thnx a lot ... and bye
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09:05<razekinn>Hello there, $ snmptranslate -Tp always returns: +--iso(1) and nothing more. How to configure that?
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09:47<zathras>a python webapp refuses to run in apache mod_python : [error] python_init: Python version mismatch, expected '2.7.2+', found '2.7.3'.
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09:47<zathras>it is one as supplied in a debian package (wheezy). How can I fix this please?
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10:49<anyta>hola
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10:50<anyta>quin sos
10:51<planetmaker>!es
10:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:52<anyta>HOLA
10:52<Oebele>you gotta love dpkg :)
10:52<planetmaker>It's a well-maintained bot, yes
10:52<anyta>HABLAS INGLES
10:52<tiekookeit>si hablamos
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10:52<anyta>NO ENTIENDO INGLES
10:53<tiekookeit>no hables español aca, seras banido
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10:53<anyta>HOLA
10:53<anyta>atodod
10:53<anyta>bueno
10:54<retrospectacus>usted no puedes leer?
10:55<anyta>por
10:55<tiekookeit>This guy is just kiddin
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10:55<tiekookeit>maybe searching for a pedofilia target lol or just a kid
10:55<tiekookeit>lol
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10:57<Oebele>let me try my best spanish:
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10:57<Oebele>anyta: que pasa troll?
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10:57<anyta>hoa
10:57<dan[work]>I wish to attempt the difficult, how do I troubleshoot an SD card reader that does not detect my SD card after assuming any problem is software related
10:57<anyta>hl
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10:58<tiekookeit>what does dmesg say
10:58<tiekookeit>if you can clean dmesg cache do as follow, remove sdcard, type dmesg -c, plug it again, then type dmesg
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10:59<dan[work]>standby!
10:59<anyta>UUUUUUU
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11:01<dan[work]>unfortunately dmesg remain blanks 30 seconds after sdcard insertion, somewhat more fortunately lspci lists SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Device 8520
11:01<dan[work]>let this be a warning to anyone considering purchase of SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Device 8520
11:02<tiekookeit>strange, have you ever sucessed on this reader?
11:02<TobiX>dan[work]: Maybe a mechanical problem? Is that USB-connected or someway else?
11:02<dan[work]>only in windows, although it works happily when used in combination with a sd to usb plug on linux
11:02<dan[work]>*GNU/Linux
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11:03<tiekookeit>on windows it works
11:03<dan[work]>TobiX: my guess as well, sadly the windows loads it still
11:03<retrospectacus>the card, or the card reader
11:03<dan[work]>this is why windows hasn't yet died in a fire
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11:04<TobiX>dan[work]: I don't understand, could you describe the hardware setup some more? Is the card reader build in?
11:04<dan[work]>retrospectacus: the suspect built in card reader
11:05<tiekookeit>[TobiX] kernel module not loding?
11:05<TobiX>dan[work]: Windows does device detection a bit different then Linux - You might try to read from the SD card after insertion to get it detected (if the card reader is missing a mechanical device insertion detection)
11:05<dan[work]>TobiX: sorry, I should have been clear: the problematic device is a built-in card reader for sd cards, so far I have only been able to access sd cards with it on windows or through a third party usb dongle on GNU/Linux
11:05<retrospectacus>dan[work]: how can it work with "sd to usb plug" then if it is built in
11:06<TobiX>dan[work]: So you have some /dev/mmcblk* device, right?
11:06<dan[work]>retrospectacus: the sd to usb plug is a second separate device I use for use sake :-/ what I really want to do is get this working without the accursed dongle so that I may immediately dump windows
11:07<retrospectacus>great just clarifiying
11:07<dan[work]>TobiX: hmm... ls does not return anything under /dev/mmc*
11:07<dan[work]>retrospectacus: :)
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11:09<dan[work]>TobiX: I have lazily relied on gnome disk utility to list device names in the past, perhaps there is another way to obtain the device mapping
11:09<dan[work]>I shall google!
11:09<TobiX>dan[work]: Maybe some /dev/sd* device?
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11:10<dan[work]>TobiX: that was my second guess! :P
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11:10<TobiX>dan[work]: Maybe take a look at dmesg to see which device node gets assigned...
11:10<dan[work]>also blank unfortunately
11:10<dan[work]>hmm
11:10<dan[work]>I shall list the entire /dev and brave it in its entirety!
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11:10<retrospectacus>check /dev/disk/by-path/
11:11<Zaba>I've had card readers not show up at all until a card was inserted, for what it's worth
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11:12<TobiX>Zaba: I suspect the card reader dan[work] has there does not detect card insertions at all...
11:12<Zaba>one could perhaps try booting with a card inserted in it to see if it makes a difference
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11:13<dan[work]>Zaba: the bios detects the mint unetbootin card and boots from it without issue
11:13<dan[work]>TobiX: I fear this is the case
11:13<Zaba>but what if you boot into the OS with a card in it?
11:14<Zaba>does it also work?
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11:14<dan[work]>Zaba: I believe that matches my current case, sadly it does not work :(
11:14<Zaba>but the OS you boot from the card can detect it?
11:14<dan[work]>oh! google says ubuntu officially supports this treacherous device
11:15<TobiX>dan[work]: It's called PCI_DEVICE_ID_O2_FUJIN2 in kernel
11:15<TobiX>dan[work]: Is the kernel module sdhci loaded at all?
11:15<dan[work]>Zaba: I haven't tried that yet, but mint does boot from bios via the internal sd card reader
11:15<dan[work]>TobiX: Checking!
11:16<tiekookeit>what it your current kernel (uname -r )
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11:16<tiekookeit>*is
11:16<Zaba>you might need a different (most likely newer) kernel if some OS works with it but another doesn't
11:16<dan[work]>3.2.0-4-amd64, have modprobe sdhci into it and reinserted but dmesg remains blank
11:17<tiekookeit>maybe unstable kernel 3.14
11:17<Zaba>no, definitely not unstable
11:17<dan[work]>(I do not know the command to determine if the module is already running, I am assuming modprobe successfully loads it when no message is returned)
11:17<Zaba>there's a newer kernel in backports that actually won't break your system
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11:17<TobiX>dan[work]: Support was added in v3.13-rc1-166-g01acf69 :)
11:17<dan[work]>TobiX: :) yes!
11:17<dan[work]>perhaps a regression
11:17<TobiX>,kernels
11:18<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-trunk-686-pae (3.15.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.7-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6)
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11:18<TobiX>dan[work]: Try the backport kernel
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11:18<tiekookeit>3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae
11:18<dan[work]>apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image
11:19<dan[work]>side question but why do the newer testing branches carry smaller version numbers?
11:19<Zaba>version numbers aren't decimal numbers
11:19<Zaba>you're comparing them wrong
11:19<Zaba>3.14 is higher than 3.2, because 14 is greater than 2
11:19<dan[work]>!!
11:19<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
11:19<dan[work]>Zaba: thank you :)
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11:22<dan[work]>restarting now, will update you in a moment
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11:22<dan[work]>oh -- before that, is there a way to have the latest backport image installed automatically?
11:22<dan[work]>perhaps a meta package of some sort
11:23<Zaba>the linux-image-<arch> package is such a metapackage, I think
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11:26<dan[work]>Zaba: thank you debian! :) TobiX: shall let you know how this works out
11:26<dan[work]>for future people reading public log sake
11:26<Zaba>no problem
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11:30<dan[work]>TobiX: it works!
11:30<dan[work]>=-D YAY!
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11:36<medicalwei>What is "the Debian way" if i found a module option is absent, say, CONFIG_USB_UAS?
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11:41<Brigo>medicalwei, man modules-load.d
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11:44<medicalwei>Brigo: but what if it is not installed?
11:44<Brigo>medicalwei, are you using wheezy?
11:45<medicalwei>Now i see #749014 there's already fixed in next release.
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11:45<medicalwei>Sid.
11:45<Brigo>i think it maybe systemd related ...
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11:46<medicalwei>So I had better wait for the next kernel release :)
11:46<Brigo>medicalwei, /etc/modules
11:46<Brigo>man modules.
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11:47<Brigo>systemd is not kernel related, it is a replace of systemV init
11:47<Brigo>you can use it in sid or jessie
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11:48<medicalwei>My problem is that the config isnt shown in /boot/config-3.14-1-amd64
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11:48<medicalwei>The kernel packager didnt package the config I want.
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11:49<Brigo>what kernel packager?
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11:49<Brigo>make-kpkg?
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11:49<medicalwei>I mean kernel in debian itself.
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11:50<Brigo>medicalwei, you want to say the default configuration in the debian kernel is not that you want?
11:51<medicalwei>Yeah. But since the next release fixes my problem I had better just wait :3
11:51<Brigo>oh, i did not see the line about the bug#749014
11:51<Brigo>medicalwei, it looks like a wise choice :)
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12:18<trico>does anyone have a oneline command to tar a folder, compress it, and encrypt it with gpg?
12:20<petn-randall>trico: Just look up the man pages to construct a command for each, then concatenate both commands with &&
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12:21<trico>with && ? not | somehow?
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12:22<tiekookeit>sample: cmd1 && cmd2 or cmd1 ; cmd2 ; cmd 3 ....
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12:23<trico>yeah, i dont get it. tar takes the outout file as the second argument. so how do i skip it? the output shouldnt go to a file, it needs to go to gpg
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12:26<petn-randall>trico: "command1 && command2" is what you shell interprets, and it means "if command1 successfully returns, run program2". "program1 | program2" on the other hand means "pipe the output of command1 as input into command2". That'll can also work, but only if you can get gpg to accept data from STDIN and write it out encrypted somewhere.
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12:27<trico>i dont get it. wont that write out .tar.bz2, then make another copy of tar.bz2.gpg?
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12:29<trico>tar cvjf file.tar.gz file | gpg -r key file.tar.gz.gpg --encrypt file
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12:29<trico>what do i put for file.tar.gz, which i dont want, and file in the gpg command?
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12:30<tiekookeit>tar -czf file.tar.gz folder/ && gpg -r key file.tar.gz.gpg --encrypt file.tar.gz
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12:31<trico>theres no way to do it without first writing out the zipped file?
12:32<tiekookeit>I dont think you can pipe compressed
12:33<tiekookeit>maybe without compression tar -cf - folder/ | gpg -r key file.tar encrypt -
12:33<tiekookeit>dunkow if it works
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12:34<trico>ok. ill try it this way then and try to figure it out another time. thanks
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13:12<wizard>hi
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13:31<edjix>this may be either completely impossible, or very simple, but what I'm after is a way to keep an app with a gui (i.e. xchat) open if i log out of an X session and login in with a different window manager,
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13:34<tiekookeit>[edjix] i do something similar to that using a vnc session, maybe it works for you
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13:37<edjix>tiekookeit: that's on a remote type system, right?
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13:37<tiekookeit>kinda, you set a virtual session with vnc on your machine then you get this session with vncviewer, but restart Xorg doesnt affect you virtual session
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13:38<edjix>tiekookeit: would the howto for that be anywhere in the documentation?
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13:40<tiekookeit>that is just a normal vnc4server virtual session, google is plenty of example. To me i just put something like that on my rc.local
13:40<tiekookeit>su administrador -c 'vnc4server :99 -depth 16 -pixelformat rgb565 -cc 3 -geometry 1024x600 -alwaysshared -dpi 96 -httpd=/usr/share/x11vnc/classes/ -httpPort=5899 +render' &
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13:41<edjix>aight, i'll do some googling and see if i can figure it our,
13:41<tiekookeit>then I get that using vncviewer on localhost:5999, o using javavnc on port 5899 on my browser
13:41<edjix>out
13:42<edjix>what's the apt-get name for vncserver?
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14:13<tiekookeit>[edjix] apt-get install vnc4server
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14:14<edjix>yeah, got it, it's bringing up an xsession, no DE or WM
14:15<edjix>like in RH 7.1 days
14:15<trico>tar, compress, encrypt something on oneline: tar cvf - file | bzip2 | gpg -r key --output file.tar.bz2.gpg --encrypt -
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14:16<pmart>Any idea why lists.debian.org/search.html doesn't allow to specify the list for searching? It should according to this https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists/SearchHowto
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14:28<pmart>Are there any plans to add *-backports dists to BTS?
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14:31<pmart>(currently it has no idea of versions in wheezy-backports and any bugs are to posted to debian-backports mailing list)
14:31<pmart>(...instead)
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14:51<edjix>tiekookeit: works like a charm, thanks
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15:55<dougied>Hello, here [http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/bt-dvd/] do I want the DVDs with update in name?
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15:56<vince007>Anyone
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15:56<babilen>dougied: Typically not, but what do you plan to do with them?
15:57<dougied>Just to put on an old computer. Thanks!
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15:59<dougied>Also, babilen I was here a while ago with a weird problem which I fixed by going into the bios and changing "Installer OS" to "Others".
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16:01<babilen>dougied: I would use the normal install images. The update ones are meant to be used to update from an older release.
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16:02<dougied>Thanks.
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16:08<babilen>dougied: If you have internet access during the installation you don't even need the DVD images (and then CD1 typically suffices), but a netinstall image as you can simply download everything from the internet during the installation.
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16:08<babilen>As it is quite commong that WLAN adaptor need firmware you might want to use the installer with firmware or have firmware ready if you don't connect via ethernet
16:08<babilen>dpkg: tell dougied -about install debian
16:09<babilen>dpkg: tell dougied -about installer firmware
16:09<babilen>dpkg: tell dougied -about firmware image
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16:09<babilen>dougied: You can ask then bot about all the things in <...> -- /msg dpkg various cd1
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16:15<classmate>oi
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16:15<tiekookeit>oi
16:15<tiekookeit>ingles ou te explusam
16:15<classmate>fala portugues?
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16:16<tiekookeit>nesta sala aqui é ingles ou vai pro saco, chama no particular que eu tento te ajudar
16:16<tiekookeit>or just enter debia-br
16:16<tiekookeit>join #debian-br channel
16:16<classmate>vei so novo aki criei hoje me ajuda das coisas
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16:58<rzzr>guys, just a quick one. htop displays 45 tasks and 74 thr. I'd like to know what each of them do. Is there are resource online that details the most common processes?
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17:00<ompaul>rzzr: not being smart - search engine is fastest for what you are asking
17:00<ompaul>rzzr: back in the day it was man this info that and so on
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17:01<rzzr>it's a lot of processes, all with long names
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17:01<ompaul>rzzr: your itch, you got to learn a way to scratch if you won't use the scratching post
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17:02<rzzr>I can only find commands to list processes and variants
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17:03<devil>rzzr: maybe pstree sheds a bit of light
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17:04<devil>at least it puts things in persepective
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17:05<rzzr>pstree certainly does shed a little light on the matter, cheers
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18:29<alumno>mario
18:29<alumno>hola
18:30<alumno>necesito ayuda
18:30<devil>alumno: do you have a debian question?
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18:30<alumno>hola
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18:32<alumno>hola aqui puedo hacer consultas para mejorar mi linux huayra?
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18:32<huayra>alumno asumo que si
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18:32<huayra>en inglés pero :)
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18:32<huayra>que pasa?
18:32<alumno>bien como hago que el diccionario funcione?
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18:34<devil>guys, get another room
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18:34<alumno>bien
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18:37<somenamevm>Hi. I have debian gnome installed in a virtual machine (vm virtual box) that runs on a windows 7 computer. There is 1 ethernet card. On the windows machine the ethernet card is configured to use OpenNIC as the dns. When I use the internet while using the VM of Debian on this computer, as I understand it it uses I guess a virtual network card on my windows computer, which is then routed through the real network card and then on to
18:37<somenamevm>the internet. My question is, will Debian also use the same DNS server that the windows host machine uses?
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18:39<devil>what software are you using to virtualize debian?
18:39<somenamevm>VM Virtual Box by Oracle
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18:39<devil>and in genral: would it not be smarter to do it the other way around? :)
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18:39<somenamevm>You mean run Debian as the main operating system, then run Windows in the virtual machine?
18:40<somenamevm>I agree that would be better and I am working towards that. But I am 20 year user of windows and it will take me some time to learn Linux.
18:40<devil>somenamevm: then you should ask on their channel, what DNS gets used, they are on freenode in #vbox
18:40<somenamevm>Ok I will do that thanks
18:40<devil>yw
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18:41<somenamevm>Is #vbox on the server OFTC?
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18:41<devil>no, on freenode
18:41<somenamevm>Ok
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18:48<kastan>whats up community i was having trouble with full screen on virtual box when ever i enter full screen the os i am running stays the same says any ideas on how to fix this
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18:50<devil>kastan: guest additions installed?
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18:58<kastan_>devil just installed
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18:58<kastan_>confused on how to mount
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18:58<devil>https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html
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18:59<kastan_>devil awesome thank you
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19:04<alumno>cnectado?
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19:33<rodrigo>hola
19:33<rodrigo>k tal como estan
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19:40<AlexLikeRock>bien rodrigo
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19:40<AlexLikeRock>para erspañol pasate a #debian-es
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21:17<fubar_>Module bbswitch not found.
21:17<fubar_> failed!
21:17<fubar_>why does that keep happening?
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21:23<jmcnaught>fubar_: are you using bbswitch-dkms?
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21:26<jmcnaught>fubar_: my guess is that it's happening because every time there's a kernel update, that module needs to be recompiled for that kernel. This is what the bbswitch-dkms module should be doing. If that's what you're using, I guess you could check the package's BTS page
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21:27<fubar_>well im trying to get bumblebee to work but it isn't because the module isn't found but it is installed.
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21:29<jmcnaught>fubar_: i'm not a bumblebee user myself, but -dkms packages should recompile their modules every time there's a new kernel.
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21:30<fubar_>I know this isn't the bumblebee channel either but I got next to no help there so I was hoping somehere might have better insight.
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21:31<fubar_>Yeah, its installed. I just don't know why it isn't woprking
21:31<jmcnaught>fubar_: using the packages from wheezy-backports?
21:31<fubar_>Yes I am.
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21:37<jmcnaught>fubar_: are you getting the error that bbswitch module is not found when you boot? is it listed in "lsmod", are you able to "modprobe bbswitch" if it's not?
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21:39<fubar_>its not listed in lsmod and no, only when I try to check the status of bumblebee or start it and modporbe bbswitch said that it isn't found.
21:39<fubar_>which is odd because I know it's installed
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21:46<jmcnaught>fubar_: Do you have recommends disabled for apt-get? That could prevent the "dkms" package from pulling in the appropriate linux-headers-* package. Did it ever work for you, or did the problem start after an update? When the last kernel update happended, did you notice any dkms related errors? If you don't remember, you could try looking in /var/log/apt/term.log
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21:48<fubar_>No I do not. This is the first issue im having with it. I've been trying to get bumblebee to work for 2 days now. Before it was telling me that it couldnt find the nvidia drivers and now its telling me it won't start because bbswitch isn't there.
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21:50<tiekookeit>do you have bbswitch sourc on /usr/src?
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21:51<fubar_>I do
21:51<jlj>So instead of getting the rtl8192cu module loaded I get something called 8192cu ... does anyone have any idea why?
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22:05<gsimmons>jlj: That's the name of Realtek's vendor driver, which the in-tree rtl8192cu driver is based on.
22:05<lyghters>куп
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22:35<zach>hi
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22:41<sleser>guys i pluged a usb remote jostick is there a way in terminal to find out if its beeing recodnised ?
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22:41<sney>dmesg |tail will usually show the plug-in event
22:42<sleser>no event came up
22:43<sleser>is there a way make this work ?
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22:52<maxigas>so there is no way to repair exfat file systems on debian?
22:53<Cpuroast>unlikely
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22:53<Cpuroast>no
22:53<Cpuroast>you need windows
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22:58<uberushaximus>You need exfat-utils
22:58<uberushaximus>which includes exfatfsck
22:58<uberushaximus>https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/exfat-utils
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23:05<maxigas>uberushaximus: afaik fsck.exfat only checks file systems, but does not have the power to repair them.
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23:05*uberushaximus shrugs
23:05<uberushaximus>exfat is a hairy beast
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23:05<uberushaximus>too much patent crap surrounding it and it's not widely used outside of photography
23:05<maxigas>http://manned.org/fsck.exfat
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23:06<uberushaximus>use osx or windows to repair
23:06<maxigas>i try to use it to complement my SSD HDD with a 128G SD card
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23:07<uberushaximus>why not use any other filesystem?
23:07<maxigas>i was not sure if that would work
23:07<maxigas>can i just format it to ext4?
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23:08<uberushaximus>sd cards are filesystem agnostic, just know that some devices will format your sdcard if they don't like the filesystem
23:08<uberushaximus>ext4 will work fine
23:08<maxigas>ok i can try to format it
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23:11<maxigas>thanks for the advice, uberushaximus
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23:14<Bsims>...
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23:21<Guest361>"use osx or windows to repair" not trying to be rude but i get tired if hearing things like this. but this is why linux cant catch a better break. for years I myself was "conditioned" to use windows repair disk to fix MBR problems or, install windows first to fix format. While learning linux years ago these were things I was told to do because it was easier. We all need to work harder to curve this behavior
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23:25<sleser>cant find jscalibrator in pakages ?
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23:27<sney>it might be a file inside a differently named package
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23:28<sney>!tell sleser about apt-file
23:29<sney>Azodon: it's the exfat developer's fault in this case. linux doesn't need help from other OSes to fix fully supported filesystems, but proprietary FSes are a bit out of reach. NTFS, HFSPlus, and a few others are affected by this as well as exfat.
23:30<sleser>apt-file command not found
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23:30<sney>read the factoid again
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23:31<jlj>gsimmons: Thanks, seems it's used instead of the kernel one for some reason
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23:58<sleser>k cant seem tomake t his Logitech dual action gamepad working with mame
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23:59<sleser>joystick pakage . is messed up too malfunction in this pkg
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