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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-06-27

---Logopened Fri Jun 27 00:00:24 2014
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00:03<Pdids>hello, would anyone happen to know how to verify that Nouveau is utilizing my independent GPU as opposed to the one built into the CPU?
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08:15<seymour>on my laptop i have 2 graphic cards , how can i choose wich use?
08:15<Stummi>xorg.conf probably
08:15<devil>or BIOS
08:16<seymour>i'm using wheezy and i can't find switcheroo with apt
08:16<jm_>seymour: optimus?
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08:16<Stummi>what is switcheroo?
08:16<seymour>i don't know what optimus is
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08:17<jm_>!tell seymour -about optimus
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08:17<jm_>check the wiki and see if it applies to you
08:17<seymour>stummi is a tool to switch graphic card
08:17<seymour>jm_ thanks
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08:17<jm_>no problem
08:18<devil>seymour: switcheroo is either enabled in the kernel or not
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08:20<seymour>devil : what?
08:21<devil>and it's called vga-switcheroo
08:21<devil>and 'what' makes no sense here :)
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08:32<seymour>devil : yes sorry :)
08:33<devil>no sweat :)
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08:44<seymour>bumblebee works only with nvidia cards
08:44<seymour>i have ati radeon
08:44<seymour>:(
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08:50<devil>hm , he left
08:50<devil>if he comes back, show him http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=17948
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09:08<adam_>hi would you mind helping me get my wifi to work please
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09:12<Stummi>adam_, its difficult when you don't tell us your problem
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09:13*babilen hands out new and improved crystal balls
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09:14<adam_>Stummi: i dont have wifi? debian dont find my wifi card, let me know what you would need and i can get it for you, im sotty im a bit noob
09:14<Stummi>which wifi card do you have?
09:14<Stummi>(vendor, product name, etc)
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09:15<adam_>Stummi: 04:00.0 Network controller: MEDIATEK Corp. MT7630e 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter
09:15<Tornado>Hi
09:15<Stummi>so, you debian does actuall find it?
09:16<Stummi>what did you mean when saying "debian don't find it"?
09:16<adam_>Stummi: it finds it but dont know how to start it, its not present under network conections
09:17<Stummi>network connections? Do you mean gnome network manager or something? I don't know what this does
09:18<adam_>Stummi: i cant activate my wifi
09:18<adam_>Stummi: i dont have wifi, if you know what i need to do or if you could tell me what i need to do to provide you with proper information i would happly applay but dont just repeat my question like im suppose to provide you with better information
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09:19<babilen>adam_: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you?
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09:20<Tornado>The scenario is that you're online.
09:20<adam_>babilen: lspci -nn|grep -i network
09:20<adam_>babilen: 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: MEDIATEK Corp. MT7630e 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter [14c3:7630]
09:21<babilen>judd: pciid 14c3:7630
09:21<judd>[14c3:7630] is 'MT7630e 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter' from 'MEDIATEK Corp.' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14c3:7630
09:21<Brigo>ups :/
09:21<babilen>lovely
09:22<adam_>babilen: ok so its not possible to have wifi atm with that card then
09:22<babilen>I wouldn't conclude that yet
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09:25<babilen>adam_: But it looks dire ...
09:25<Brigo>here are some information: http://askubuntu.com/questions/377050/how-do-i-get-a-mediatek-mt7630e-802-11bgn-wi-fi-adapter-working
09:26<babilen>adam_: https://github.com/anthonywong/mt7630 is being mentioned here and there as the "official" driver seems to be only available for SLES
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09:26<Brigo>it talks about install 3.5 kernel and donwload a drivero for it.
09:26<babilen>Yeah, the one that I just linked that seems to target Linux 3.5
09:27<babilen>adam_: Get a better wireless adaptor (anything really) and spare yourself the pain.
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09:59<clay>i just installed the new version of ubuntu how do i move the bars around ? like the bar at the top that says applications>places>etc
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10:03<rah>there seems to be a problem with ftp.uk.debian.org
10:04<rah>erm
10:04<rah>no, nevermind
10:06<rah>or maybe mind
10:06<rah>W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
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10:27<clay>i just installed the new version of ubuntu how do i move the bars around ? like the bar at the top that says applications>places>etc
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11:42<fjsuos>Hello. Is there someone who can help me with GnuPG?
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11:42<Brigo>!ask
11:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:44<fjsuos>The master-key of GnuPG usually have USAGE: SC. If I use one subkey for signing and one subkey for encrypting/decrypting. Would it make sense to remove the "S" from the master key?
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11:52<oldlaptop>fjsuos: maybe a gpg channel would be able to help you better
11:53<fjsuos>Do you know a gpg channel?
11:54<petn-randall>fjsuos: #gnupg on irc.freenode.net
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11:55<fjsuos>Thanks!
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13:32<alumno>Hola, tengo un inconveniente con chromium, con la instalacion de flash player, alguien tuvo o tiene este inconveniente?
13:33<sney>!es
13:33<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:33<sney>and you probably want pepperflashplugin-nonfree
13:34<SynrGy>was gonna say :)
13:34<alumno>thnks :)
13:34<sney>I wonder if #debian-es has an !alguien factoid
13:34<SynrGy>jessie *and* non-english. two wrong turns make a right?
13:35<ncl_>maybe, but three rights make a left
13:35<SynrGy>;)
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13:40<Brigo>sney, !alguien factoid?
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13:41<retrospectacus>Spanish !anyone
13:41<sney>^
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13:43<Brigo>yes, i am spanish, i think my problem is with factoid :)
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13:57<alumno_> Hola queria saber si puedo instalar Huayra en otra computadora que no es del gobierno
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13:58<retrospectacus>!es
13:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:58<alumno_> Hola queria saber si puedo instalar Huayra en otra computadora que no es del gobierno
13:58<DNS>!pt
13:58<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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15:00<wathek>How to upgrade a specific package by using aptitude?
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15:00<sney>delete the deb from /var/cache/apt/archives if present, then 'aptitude reinstall packagename' should do it
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15:09<claw___>anybody knows how to resolv this issue ? http://paste.triple6.org/?15
15:11<wathek>sney, How to prevent linux kernel in debian from been upgrade?
15:11<wathek>*being
15:11<sney>wathek: aptitude hold packagename
15:11<wathek>s
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15:12<wathek>sney, Thanks, and how to show the hold packages?
15:12<sney>claw___: try deleting the .deb it mentions from /var/cache/apt/archives/, it may have been a corrupt download.
15:13<sney>claw___: also, with multiarch conflicts, sometimes the best approach is to remove both packages altogether and try again
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15:16<sney>claw___: held packages show a h in the install flags but I'm not sure offhand how to filter for that. it'll be documented somewhere
15:17<claw___>wathek, the last message of sney was for you
15:17<sney>whoops
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15:19<jmcnaught>wathek: "aptitude search ~i~ahold" will probably show you packages that are installed and have a hold, but i'm not 100% sure because i don't have any on hold myself
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15:29<claw___>sney, the problem was about this line
15:29<claw___> trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libgdbm3/changelog.Debian.gz', which is different from other instances of package libgdbm3:amd64
15:29<claw___>i rm the changelog and everything went well
15:29<sney>ok.
15:29<claw___>trival file causes non trivial problem
15:30<sney>sometimes dpkg has a hissy fit if files are missing. good that it didn't for you
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16:11<derek_>hullo
16:11<retrospectacus>hi
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16:12<derek_>ด็็็็็้้้้้็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้༼◉Д◉༽ด็็็็็้้้้้็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้ retrospectacus!!!
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16:13<retrospectacus>right back at ya
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16:41<trollus>guys im drunk but I need help very much
16:41<trollus>help me to install dota
16:41<trollus>I need to get torrent client
16:41<trollus>im too drunk to use this linux
16:41<trollus>what's the command or something
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16:46<devil>dont drink and root :)
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16:48<oldlaptop>trollus: boozetyping is a good way to ruin your system
16:48<oldlaptop>you'll wrap it around a tree or something
16:51<rostam>HI is there any reference on how to create usb uefi bootable grub. So I want to boot to usb grub and from there to debian on harddisk/ thx
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17:28<inkbottle>I'm trying to configure some wifi, the card is seen by the access point, even an address is attributed, though dhcpdiscover fails...
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17:28<sney>got the driver firmware installed?
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17:30<inkbottle>sney: well, the shipset should be atheros, and the card is seen by iwconfig, and by the access point
17:30<sney>missing firmware doesn't behave the same way on every chip. but yeah, atheros NICs don't require firmware unless they're USB.
17:31<inkbottle>pci-e
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17:31<sney>if you manually assign an address/netmask, can you ping your default gateway?
17:32<inkbottle>I'll try that
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17:47<inkbottle>sney: I previously verify the wifi card was what I thought it was: ar9287 wireless network adapter; so it seems it allright there
17:47<Stereo>Hi everyone
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17:48<Stereo>I have inherited a server with this /etc/network/interfaces, and the ipv6 doesn't come up when I reboot. I'm not sure what's wrong, it comes up fine when I run the 'up' commands by hand. http://pastebin.lu/mokapidayu.avrasm
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17:49<devil>never seen the up and pre-up lines in there
17:50<Stereo>it's a vm, maybe that's why it needs some extra stuff
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17:52<vagi>hi to y'all can any one help me pls?
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17:57<inkbottle>sney: should that be enough to have a static configuration: http://paste.debian.net/107091/
17:57<inkbottle>it aswers we "wpasupplicatn exited with return code 1"
17:58<inkbottle>the password it cut and past from another computer so it should be all write
17:58<inkbottle>all right
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18:19<inkbottle>sney: miraculously sorted out after a reboot, hint from a post on debian list :-)
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18:34<guillaume>someone ?
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18:37<oldlaptop>no one
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18:40<inkbottle>should I choose kdb or console-tools?
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19:29<somenamevm>I am having some trouble understaning where to download and how to install a 32 bit Debian Gnome from a usb flash disk. I have an older pentium 4 computer ready to have Debian Gnome installed.
19:30<somenamevm>Could any please post a link here as there where the download is located on Debian's website for a 32 bit Debian Gnome usb install?
19:30<abrotman>somenamevm: use the netinst if you have broadband (/me assumes cox still qualifies)
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19:31<sney>to make sure it's 32 bit, get the one that says i386 on it
19:31<somenamevm>...still qualifes..lol. Yeah cox sucks.
19:31<sney>and all netinst/cd1/dvd1 isos are hybrid images that can be written directly to usb media. there is no special usb image
19:31<somenamevm>Currently on the Old PC, it has Debian KDE, which has install errors apparently
19:31<somenamevm>I will try that thanks
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19:32<sney>er, there is no difference between "debian gnome" and "debian kde" except for some of the packages
19:32<somenamevm>Well then there is a difference
19:32<abrotman>perhaps he used the KDE installer?
19:32<sney>well, you're saying it like they're distinct operating systems.
19:32<somenamevm>For example I do not like KDE that much
19:32<somenamevm>No, just that they are differrent
19:32<sney>if one had "install errors" then the other one probably will too. what error?
19:32<abrotman>somenamevm: okay, then just remove it and install gnome, no need to reinstall
19:33<somenamevm>Remove KDE and install Gnome?
19:33<abrotman>technically, install gnome, then remove kde
19:33<somenamevm>It sounds like a million things can go wrong with that approach but I will give it a try
19:33<sney>!install kde
19:33<dpkg>The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install".
19:34<sney>er,
19:34<sney>!install gnome
19:34<dpkg>To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
19:34<somenamevm>I would like to get rid of KDE
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19:35<somenamevm>Ok I am going to switch the keyboard, mouse and monitor to the old pc
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19:36<retrospectacus>!remove kde
19:36<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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19:37<dark-jedi>That'll do it. :P
19:37<dark-jedi>That's an especially funky command if you do while you're in KDE. hahaha.
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19:37<retrospectacus>for this kind of commands, do them in "screen" ;)
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19:38<dark-jedi>Watching the desktop disappear piece by piece... nothing quite drives up the anxiety like that.
19:38<somename>Oops, uh could you post those install instructions for Gnome again?
19:38<abrotman>somenamevm: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm
19:39<dark-jedi>!install gnome
19:39<dpkg>To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
19:39<somename>Thanks
19:39<abrotman>you can use the !tell feature .. far less noisy
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19:39<dark-jedi>abrotman, So !tell gnome
19:40<dark-jedi>abrotman, Like that?
19:40<dark-jedi>abrotman, Or !tell gnome <username>
19:40<retrospectacus>!tell somename about remove kde
19:40<dark-jedi>!tell dark-jedi gnome
19:41<dark-jedi>lol
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19:41<dark-jedi><dpkg> No, dark-jedi, I won't. (target invalid?)
19:42<dark-jedi>!tell dark-jedi about gnome
19:42<retrospectacus>!tell dark-jedi about selftell
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19:43<somename>Gnome is a pretty big program, still downloading step #1
19:43<dark-jedi>retrospectacus, Sorry. :)
19:43<retrospectacus>somename: the numbers in the factoids are *options* not steps
19:43<somename>Oh
19:43<somename>Will then I choose option #1
19:44<somename>But option #2 was recommended
19:44<retrospectacus>great :) yes it will take a while
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19:44<somename>98%
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19:46<somename>Now blue screen explaining what a display manger is and that there is currently more than one installed. It is asking me to pick one, gdm3 or kdm. I will pick gdm3
19:46<somename>I assume gdm3 must be gnome since it starts with a "g"
19:46<retrospectacus>you can remove kdm later if you like
19:46<somename>Good
19:47<dark-jedi>Assuming it's GNOME because it starts with a "g"... lol, nice deduction. Doesn't always work, but in this case, spot on.
19:47<somename>I thought the distro was KDE?
19:47<somename>and not KDM
19:47<somename>Oops, never mind.. Debian is the base and the windows manger can be gnome or kde among others
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19:48<cra1g321>GDM = gnome display manager
19:48<retrospectacus>the distro is Debian. KDE and Gnome are desktop suites. They include window managers. *DM are display managers, they just log you in
19:49<somename>I see
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19:50<somename>Last night the permissions on my old computer Debian KDE were all set to read only. I don't know why as it was a relatively new install
19:51<somename>I wonder if this meant that there are problems with the installation possibly due to the fact that the computer is a 15 years sytem with a pentium 4 processor
19:51<dark-jedi>15 years old!?
19:51<somename>Ok maybe 13, I got it around 2001 ish
19:51<retrospectacus>you'd have to clarify what you mean by "permissions" but nevermind if you're not trying to solve that
19:52<devil>ouch, kde is for sure not gonna work with that
19:52<somename>It has been sitting in the attic for 8 years.....well I have to solve the permissions assuming I get this install completed ok
19:52<somename>See that is confusing, if it doesn't work why doesnt KDE alert the user?
19:52<dark-jedi>If the hard drive is going bad, the system might/probably-will fall back to read-only
19:53<somename>I doubt it, the hard drive is not original
19:53<somename>relatively new
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19:56<somename>Is Gnome a larger program than KDE, does it take up more resources?
19:56<somename>This is a mammoth install process
19:56<devil>about the same
19:56<devil>you want sonething lean likelxde
19:56<somename>Ok. Maybe it will be more reliable or functional
19:56<devil>like lxde
19:56<rryoumaa>http://www.sealandgov.org/history.html mentions a war
19:57<devil>kde is veryreliableand functional, just not on hardware from a museum :)
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19:57<somename>Come on, dont insult my old reliable PC
19:58<devil>like I said, look at lxde
19:58<somename>Ok. I have no tested out gnome on it yet thoug
19:58<retrospectacus>how is the video card? And amount of RAM
19:58<rryoumaa>flux works fine on my slightly newer computer
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19:59<rryoumaa>(well, it doesn't work fine, as there are things i don't know how to fix, but it performs fine)
19:59<somename>I dont recall on the video card or ram. I would guess the ram is at 4 gb
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19:59<somename>Ok, install is completed. Do I just reboot?
20:00<devil>4 gb is a lot for such an old box
20:00<somename>Good
20:00<somename>The more ram the better
20:00<retrospectacus>somename: you can stop kdm and start gdm3, but rebooting will do it
20:00<somename>Ok, be back later
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20:01<rryoumaa>grr 2 above was a mischan
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20:07<somename>Ok, the gnome desktop sucked. It has this kind of retarded windows 8 feel and look to it. I switched over to gnome classic and that seems a lot better
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20:09<abrotman>somename: perhaps you should a) refrain from using "retarded" as a derogatory term b) try XFCE or LXDE, the interface might seem more familiar
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20:10<somenamevm>Finally I got VNC to work. Only it is the wrong direction, I can access my main computer from the old pc. I need to do that vice versa
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20:12<retrospectacus>do, uh, the same thing the other way... then.
20:12<somename>I will try it, its a hassle to change all the components (keyboard, monitor, mouse). I have been working on getthing this to work for a few days now
20:13<jmcnaught>somename: have you considered getting a KVM switch?
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20:13<somenamevm>Yes, but I would rather learn to do the vnc
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20:15<somenamevm>connection refused
20:15<somenamevm>gdmt
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20:16<retrospectacus>why run a DE and vnc on a headless box? What do you do with it?
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20:17<retrospectacus>somenamevm: ssh in and start your vnc server
20:17<somenamevm>I already started it when I will still connected to it
20:18<somenamevm>I typed vnc4server to turn on the server
20:19<jmcnaught>somenamevm: another idea if you have Linux running in a VM on your primary computer, why not run a second VM with Linux and practice VNC connections between the two VMs. When you get it figured out, you can apply what you've learned to the headless computer
20:21<somenamevm>That seems like a good idea. BTW I have the network in the virtual machine set up as a bridged adapter
20:22<somenamevm>I think that means that the virtual debian would be on the same network as the headless computer
20:22<somenamevm>so they should see eachtoher
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20:26<somenamevm>Does desktop sharing preferences need to be set to allow desktop sharing in order for VNC to work?
20:27<cra1g321>somenamevm maybe this will help you - http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/sect.remote-login.html
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20:27<somenamevm>thanks
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20:34<sleser> Failed to download the list of changes Please check your Internet connection in apper
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20:36<abrotman>sleser: please show us with paste.debian.net
20:36<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/
20:37<abrotman>yes, we know the URL
20:37<sleser>very good how to fix it or if its important to fix ?
20:38<Brigo>sleser, you paste nothing ...
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20:40<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/107111/
20:40<sleser>i had to paste it many times so .
20:40<sleser>it didnt let me one line
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20:42<abrotman>sleser: we need the command and the full output
20:42<sleser>where do i find t hat
20:42<sleser>i took it off apper.
20:42<somenamevm>So close...The VNC connection I think worked, it connected, I entered the password, no errors. Yet the screen is this light grey color
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20:43<abrotman>sleser: which version of linux is this?
20:44<sleser>Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux
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20:47<jmcnaught>ahhh.. apper is a package manager for KDE using PackageKit
20:48<jmcnaught>sleser: could you instead try installing with "apt-get" or "aptitude" on the command line, and if that fails give us the output? Or maybe the apper error dialog has a details button for more information?
20:48<sleser>what should i type in . apt-get update ?
20:48<sleser>it was a new updated i was supose to do
20:49<jmcnaught>sleser: were you trying to update, do upgrades, or install packages?
20:49<sleser>a new update came up next to the clock aria
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20:50<jmcnaught>sleser: "apt-get update" updates the list of packages in the repositories. After that finishes successfully "apt-get upgrade" will upgrade any packages that have new versions. If either command fails, put the full command and output on http://paste.debian.net
20:51<sleser>i got you
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20:52<sleser>thanks no error looks like the apper isnt functioning 100 %
20:55<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/107112/ outpute
20:56<jmcnaught>sleser: that looks okay to me
20:57<sleser>should i remoove apper ?
20:58<jmcnaught>sleser: i don't know. if it was installed along with KDE i would leave it. if it continues to give you problems maybe investigate a little deeper.
20:59<sleser>it came along with the kde
20:59<sleser>its not a problem it did install the pakages and gave me fake error in text
21:00<jmcnaught>sleser: i probably wouldn't remove it then. removing it would probably also remove task-kde-desktop
21:00<sleser>np
21:01<jmcnaught>sleser: if it keeps happening you could consider a bug report though
21:01<sleser>ok
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21:53<AlexLikeRock>help , in Virtualbox i can not edit MEMMORY (RAM)
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21:54<AlexLikeRock>if i create a NEW VM , they are activate edit MEMORY RAM , and not appear "NEXT"
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22:25<alumno>hols
22:26<alumno>hoooolaaaaa
22:26<alumno>hooooooooooooooolaaaaaaaaaaaa
22:26<retrospectacus>!es
22:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:26<dark-jedi>holla back
22:26<alumno>todo viem
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22:27<alumno>ablas espaniols
22:27<alumno>hola mami
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22:28<alumno>no mami
22:28<AlexLikeRock>!es
22:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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22:34<somename>If I am trying to connect to a debian computer via VNC, and that computer has gone to the lockout screen, will the vnc connection attempt fail?
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22:36<abrotman>try it and see
22:37<sleser>does linux needs a noscript for icewesel ?
22:38<abrotman>Do you?
22:38<girth>what
22:39<girth>debian ships with package xul-ext-noscript
22:40<sleser>um i dont want to have it but does web scripts any effect on linux ?
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22:43*abrotman boggles
22:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 614] by debhelper
22:48<jmcnaught>sleser: Javascript in a browser on Linux can do anything Javascript can do on any other platform. NoScript also blocks flash, java and other things. It can also help protect your privacy. I use it, and Iceweasel is faster as a result of running less arbitrary code for every website.
22:48<sleser>thanks
22:53<nyov>(and my desktop runs flash-less since a few months, haven't noticed much difference! it's finally possible)
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23:06<somenamevm>Is there a way to search the debian reference manual by keyword?
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23:15<ljsoftnet>how do i make my amd catalyst settings permanent, i already run it as root
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23:26<jmcnaught>ljsoftnet: i don't use amd catalyst, but have you tried running it not as root? maybe that's the problem
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23:31<somename_>I would like to install debian 32 bit from a usb drive. Does anyone have the link to the files I need to copy to the usb drive?
23:31<abrotman>somename_: we've told you before, use the netinst
23:32<somename_>The usb would be better
23:32<abrotman>jesus .. read the install guide ..
23:32<somename_>That way I can just keep it on the stick
23:32<abrotman>You clearly haven't .. or you'd know your statement is silly
23:32<somename_>are the usb files available on debian's web site?
23:33<abrotman>dpkg: tell somename_ about ig
23:33<abrotman>dpkg: tell somename_ about netinst
23:33<abrotman>dpkg: tell somename_ about usb install
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23:33<somename_>Everything is like in code here
23:33<abrotman>dpkg: tell somename_ about netinst
23:33<somename_>What are these "tells"
23:33<abrotman>no, it's plain english .. If you have a problem with that, perhaps a more introductory distro is for you
23:34<somename_>Everything leads to another question and then after spending time trying to figure out your code, it turns out it was not worth the effort
23:34<somename_>dpkg: tell is plain english?
23:35<somename_>wtf are you talking about?
23:35<LtL>somename_: the tell is a trigger, dpkg the bot has sent you messages, try reading them.
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23:36<somename_>uhh.. ok a "trigger" must mean something important, dont know what it means but lets assume it means I pull some trigger someplace
23:36<somename_>ok thats helpful
23:36<somename_>how do I read the message the bot sent?
23:36<LtL>somename_: learn your IRC client or get a better one.
23:37<somiaj>usually a different window, depending on your irc client you can cycle though them (tabs in graphical clients)
23:37<somename_>I am using xchat
23:37<LtL>somename_: then they should be obvious, painfully so
23:37<somename_>looking for a way to read the message the bot sent..
23:38<somename_>I see dpkg under #debian
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23:38<somename_>lets click that
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23:38<somename_>ah there is the info
23:38<LtL>somename_: play by play isn'y necessary
23:38<somename_>thanks
23:39<somename_>I guess it would be great if the helpers did not always speak in such a cryptic way, thats my point
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23:39<LtL>somename_: you have no idea how many times they answer these questions, bear with them
23:40<somename_>It is almost like talking with Yoda
23:40<jmcnaught>somename_: now that you've found the messages from dpkg, you should see additional topics <like this>, you can type those into the tab and dpkg will tell you more. If you don't already have a dpkg msg tab open, typing "/msg dpkg selftell" will get you started
23:41<somename_>I have the dpkg open now, found it
23:42<jmcnaught>somename_: i'm talking about the future :) All of this will get easier in time, especially once you've read more documentation. This place isn't really a substitute for reading docs and trying things on your own, it's a place to come when you've already done that and things aren't working right or you need additional clarification.
23:45<somename_>Believe me I have spent hours on Debian yeah its frustrating. I agree on having to read the documents. Occasionally though, the documents don't seem clear. For example regarding the usb installation
23:45<somename_>It has directed me to a page where I can download various ISO's for debian for the i386
23:46<somename_>I am thinking "do I copy one of these .iso's directly to the usb?
23:46<somename_>Or do I run that .oso through some cd burning software to extract it to the usb?
23:46<somename_>No covered in debians documents
23:47<jmcnaught>somename_: yes, you can copy Debian installer iso directly to USB, as covered in the installation manual here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
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23:47<somename_>You can? that doesnt seem like it would work. I will read the info at th elink
23:47<sney>they aren't regular iso files, they're designed for this purpose
23:48<sney>from windows you can use win32diskimager
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23:48<jmcnaught>somename_: you should read that entire guide front to back by the way, and reread parts that you have trouble understanding. Everyone here had to learn this stuff by reading the docs
23:49<sney>+- the things we learned by breaking and then digging ourselves out with a minimum of internet handholding
23:50<jmcnaught>indeed. breaking stuff and doing it over again until you master it along with reading. it's especially easy to do this when you have VMs
23:52<somename_>If there is a .iso on the usb, and you reboot the computer to boot from usb, how does the bios read the .iso?
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23:53<jmcnaught>somename_: if you prepare the USB media the way the Installation Manual instructs (or use win32diskimager) your computer will be able to boot from it
23:53<somename_>I see ok thanks
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