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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-06-28

---Logopened Sat Jun 28 00:00:25 2014
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00:20<somename>the usb install did not work. The bios was set to boot from usb. If I use apt-get --reinstall install debian, it says "unable to locate package"
00:20<somename>Is the name of the debian package spelled differently?
00:21<jmcnaught>somename: what documentation suggested that there was a "debian" package you could reinstall?
00:22<somename>http://www.ehow.com/how_7300889_reinstall-debian-package.html
00:23<jmcnaught>somename: That's not official Debian documentation for one thing.. although that command would work with a package, there is no package "debian" that installs the whole OS
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00:23<sney>if you have a system that works well enough for you to have apt-get, though, and you want a desktop, try 'apt-get install task-gnome-desktop'
00:24<somename>Ok. I plan to try the usb thing again, this time will burn the .iso image to the usb
00:24<sney>somename: yes, that was the instructions, if you just put the .iso in the usb volume then that doesn't work and is not what anyone suggested you do
00:25<somename>I specifically asked that here earlier
00:25<sney>then you didn't understand the answer
00:25<somename>Ok fine
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01:33<somenamevm>Is there a program I can download in debian that will let me write a cd image to a usb, or a folder on the hard drive?
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01:35<somenamevm>The reason I don't try it at the command line is that I have no way that I know of to determine the DEV of the usb drive
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01:39<jmcnaught>somenamevm: you can see which device is your USB stick a few ways. Immediately after plugging it in you could run "dmesg |tail" and look for the device in the output. You could also run the "lsblk" command before and after plugging it in, and look for the device that wasn't there before
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01:42<somenamevm>Thanks will try that
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02:50<somename>The debian install I have now was installed via USB. Now when I try to install other distros via USB the computer will no longer boot from that device and instead goes to grub, which then starts loading debian
02:50<somename>Does grub interfere with the boot order specified by the bios?
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06:49<grummund>Hi. noob question - which browser plugin for flash content do people prefer?
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06:51<grummund>searching around i found there is gnash/lightspark/shumway but various discussion of these is quite dated
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07:01<dutchfish>grummund, if you talk about prefer, i prefer none, but i can understand the need for it, i would try gnash first
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07:03<dutchfish>grummund, https://wiki.debian.org/Flash
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07:09<grummund>thanks. i might just have to try out the options myself
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07:13<FatPhil>how do I get yp*/rpc.* to not open ports to the outside world? I want them to only open ports to 192.168.
07:13<hakan>hi
07:13<FatPhil>I have the outside world blocked in hosts.deny, and not enabled in hosts.allow, so I'm "safe", but I'd rather just not open the ports.
07:16<Zaba>you should probably have a firewall policy blocking everything inbound by default anyway
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07:18<FatPhil>This is effectively on my NAT firewall machine (I don't have a separate router)
07:19<FatPhil>But opening and blocking seems a hundred times dumber than just not opening in the first place
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08:20<HmK>list
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08:28<FlowRiser>Oh my god ... My pc
08:29<FlowRiser>accidentally got restarted and IceWeasel simply resumed the download at startup ... So awesome!
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08:33<Kjetil>It has become selfaware. Sarah Connor was right! *marks 28 of june as the birth of skynet*
08:34<Brigo>XD
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08:45<serpardum>Is there an open/free replacement for flash? I just now saw this: Linux Mozilla, Firefox, SeaMonkey (Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.)
08:46<babilen>dpkg: gnash
08:46<dpkg>Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as browser-plugin-gnash (for Iceweasel/Firefox) and konqueror-plugin-gnash. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ #gnash on irc.freenode.net.
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08:46<babilen>serpardum: You might even find some sites that work with it ;)
08:46<serpardum>Thanks!
08:46<babilen>serpardum: Generally speaking you don't want flash but, say, html5
08:47<serpardum>Well, I just want to be able to go to all websites and see all content.
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08:48<supaman>*just* (there aint no just about that wanting) :-)
08:48<babilen>serpardum: You will, IMHO, not be able to achieve that without using either pepperflash or adobe's flashplugin.
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08:48<serpardum>So maybe I need to help them on the project being a programmer.
08:48<babilen>supaman: "I 'just' want *everything* to work. Is that too much to ask?"
08:48<supaman>babilen: nope, not at all ;-)
08:49<babilen>serpardum: Well, try it and talk to them, but *I* would spend my life on something else than flash
08:49<serpardum>If I had all the time in the world, I could program it all myself. But I'm now 50 and I can't. So I have to depend on others. But I still want to contribute to the community.
08:50<FlowRiser>+1 for gnash
08:50<serpardum>Okay, since I seem to have gnash installed, I might be using it anyway
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08:51<serpardum>*shrug*
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08:51<supaman>serpardum: well, you could get involved in Debian packaging, that is a great way to give time/effort to the community
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09:00<OdyX>meh
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11:32<Gillian>Hi, what channel do I join for a question concerning that apt-get upgrade wants to remove 224 packages after removing iceweasel?
11:33<Gillian>I mean autoremove....
11:33<jmcnaught>Gillian: you could ask here. I suggest putting the command you use and the output onto http://paste.debian.net
11:34<jmcnaught>when you removed iceweasel, did it also remove gnome and gnome-core packages?
11:34<Gillian>I already pasted it here: http://pastebin.com/s3hN1veu
11:34<Gillian>yes I did, but I read it were only metapackages, that I should not be worries
11:34<Gillian>worried*
11:35<ompaul>Gillian: are you dist-upgrading or something?
11:36<Gillian>sorry, I meant if I use apt-get autoremove, that happens, I just updated the pastebin
11:36<jmcnaught>Gillian: well those meta-packages are what pulled in all the gnome related packages in this list, which is why apt is proposing their removal. If you want to keep them, you could run "apt-get install ..." for each package to mark them as manually installed
11:36<jmcnaught>Gillian: or you could reinstall the gnome meta-package.. is having Iceweasel on the computer so bad?
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11:37<Gillian>well, I am not using it, so I figured I throw it away
11:38<ompaul>Gillian: please tell us what version of debian you are running
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11:38<Gillian>wheezy
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11:39<Gillian>;sb_release -a:
11:39<Gillian>No LSB modules are available.
11:39<Gillian>Distributor ID: Debian
11:39<Gillian>Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.5 (wheezy)
11:39<Gillian>Release: 7.5
11:39-!-Gillian was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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11:39<Gillian>sorry, I figured it would post in 1 go
11:40<ompaul>Gillian: cos I see this in your post: libwpd-0.9-9 but: <judd> Package: libwpd-0.9-9 on i386 -- wheezy: 0.9.4-3; jessie: 0.9.9-1; sid: 0.9.9-1 ; so I think you have been messing with repos can you please paste all your repos in http://paste.debian.net (not pastebin it is a spam engine)
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11:42<Gillian>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fff1bac9/
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11:43<jmcnaught>Gillian: have you previously added jessie/testing or unstable repos to install software then removed the repos?
11:44<Gillian>I think not, can't be sure though
11:45<ompaul>Gillian: the evidence says you have
11:45<jmcnaught>Gillian: what version does "apt-cache policy libc6" report?
11:45<jmcnaught>Gillian: as for the autoremoval issue, if it were me I would simply reinstall the gnome and/or gnome-core meta-packages and let Iceweasel sit unused on my computer. Actually I would use Iceweasel :)
11:46<Gillian>2.13-38+deb7u1 0
11:46<ompaul>,v libc6
11:46<judd>Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u2; jessie: 2.19-3; sid: 2.19-4
11:47<jmcnaught>well at least you're still using wheezy's version of libc6
11:47<Gillian>well, I guess I can also leave it unused on my pc
11:47<ompaul>Gillian did you add in a newer web browser or some such like multimedia packages at some point
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11:48<Gillian>I added chromium as a browser, and I got vlc and xbmx
11:48<ompaul>where did you get your vlc from?
11:49<Gillian>apt-get vlc provides it?
11:49<Gillian>sorry I have to be brb a few minutes
11:49<ompaul>apt-cache policy vlc >> please
11:49<ompaul>wow
11:49<ompaul>apt-cache policy vlc << that please just paste the version number only here
11:50<ompaul>if we knew the source of them we'd be a lot better off at working out what happened (maybe)
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11:59<Gillian>back, I will post the policy
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12:00<Gillian>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/161a585e/
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12:03<ompaul>Gillian: was that computer ever a squeeze computer?
12:04<Gillian>nope, it was installed from a debian net iso
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12:06<ompaul>Gillian: and your chromium and xbmx
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12:08<Gillian>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a08435fe/
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12:11<ompaul>Gillian: somehow you have packages that you have marked for autoremove stable shouldn't have thrown up those numbers. I have no further ideas.
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12:13<Gillian>ahhh, thanks for trying ;) I guess I will install iceweasel and be done with it
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12:15<babilen>Gillian: Take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net if you want newer versoins
12:15<babilen>*versions
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12:20<grummund>Hi, should i expect gnash plugin to work with iceweasle and BBC news video clips?
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12:21<jmcnaught>grummund: if you lower your expectations on the gnash plugin, you'll never be disappointed. In my experience it works with Youtube and not much else
12:21<babilen>grummund: I would exepect it to work with Iceweasel and would be mildly surprised if it works with Iplayer/BBC news
12:22<grummund>i get "You need to install Flash Player to play this content"
12:22<babilen>Well, there is your answer then.
12:22<grummund>hmm
12:22*grummund tried lightspark and shumway, no luck with those either
12:23<grummund>on Jessie
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12:36<lordw>hi all
12:36<babilen>o/
12:37<lordw>i'm looking for help installing Debian on a QNAP HS-210 (supported since last version, Debian 7.5), but I can't find where installer is. I found it for other QNAP NAS models, but not for mine although it's literally named on changelog ("added support for HS-210")
12:38<lordw>it's the first time i enter here
12:38<lordw>is this the right place to ask for help?
12:38<babilen>Which changelog is that?
12:38<babilen>Are you referring to the 7.5 "release notes" ?
12:39<lordw>yes, those
12:39<babilen>http://debian.mirror.lrz.de/debian/dists/wheezy/ChangeLog ?
12:39<babilen>Ah, yeah it is there.
12:39<lordw>https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140426
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12:40<babilen>Okay, the installer supports your hardware now so I guess it simply boils down to picking the right architecture. Do you know which architecture it is?
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12:40<lordw>ARM (marvell processor)
12:40<babilen>http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/qnap/ts-219/install/ might be of interest to you
12:40<lordw>I followed a guide to intall debian and it points to ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian7.5/main/installer-armel/current/images/kirkwood/network-console/qnap/
12:41<lordw>there are versions for many devices, but not for HS-210
12:41<babilen>But that is quite old
12:42<babilen>lordw: I would ask in #debian-arm as I am not involved in that effort at all
12:42<lordw>that's the guide I'm following but the installer is not there :)
12:42<lordw>oh thanks
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12:43<lordw>I'll ask there, thank you so much!
12:43<babilen>lordw: That blog entry was written in 2013, so I would expect it to be quite outdated. #debian-arm would hopefully know more and you might even find Martin there
12:43<koosha>Does anybody know any tablet that I can install Debian on easily and have complete access on my device?
12:44<lordw>thx again :) have a nice day!
12:44<babilen>lordw: Ah, no .. tbm is not in that channel. I wish you all the best and may you succeed soon! :)
12:44<koosha>I don't want to have android
12:45<FlowRiser>koosha, I tried installing it on a google nexus and succeeded, but i couldn't get the touch input to work
12:46<koosha>FlowRiser: strange, a tablet with no touch is of no use!
12:46<FlowRiser>koosha, my little test was over 1 and a half year ago, though
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12:49<babilen>lordw: That channel has decidedly less traffic and you will probably have to wait a while for an answer. You might also want to ask in #debian-boot (installer team) as they are the ones who have written that changelog.
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13:42<jest>i have just installed deb7 w/ gnome and it comes with a lot of games, i tried 'aptitude remove gnome-games', but the command wants to remove gnome and all its dependencies, how do i just remove all the games?
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13:44<Eremiell>Hi! I'm having trouble to modify default PATH for all users. Already edited /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs, rebooted the machine and...nothing. Any ideas?
13:44<somiaj>jest: gnome is a meta package that depends on all of the gnome system, it sounds like you have it setup so gnome is manual install but all of the depends are automatic install
13:44<somiaj>jest: apt-get will work better here as it will remove gnome-games and the meta package gnome (But it will tell you that you still have a lot of packages to autoremove)
13:44<somiaj>jest: set some of them to manual install, such as gnome-core or something like that
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13:45<jest>somiaj, so what is meant by removing the meta package gnome?
13:45<jest>I want to keep the gnome gui, but I want to remove all the games
13:45<jest>i wont play them
13:45<somiaj>jest: a meta package is just a package with a list of dependencies. So the gnome package installs everything debian calls gnome
13:46<somiaj>jest: the package does not effect gnome in any way, but if you remove gnome-games you no longer have the complete gnome de installed
13:46<jest>somiaj, so i would type in the code 'apt-get remove gnome-games' and then just say 'yes' to everything?
13:46<somiaj>the problem is the other packages that got pulled in by the meta package gnome are set up as autoinstalled packages so once gnome is removed aptitude (and apt-get) thinks you want to remove them too.
13:47<somiaj>jest: after you do that, you will want to look at the list of packages it says it wants to autoremove and change the install flag from auto to manually
13:47<somiaj>one simple way to do this is 'apt-get install packagename' even if it is installed
13:47<somiaj>but the gnome-core meta package may be one you want to put on manual, it should at least keep most stuff around.
13:47<jest>somiaj, ok, let me see what i can do
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13:51<jmcnaught>jest: "apt-get remove gnome-games" will just remove the two meta-packages "gnome-games" and "gnome". You could use "apt-cache depends gnome-games" to get a list of the games themselves. Also removing those games is probably only going to free up about 50MB of space
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13:52<jest>jmcnaught, understandable, but id still rather remove them. let me try that code tho, thank you
13:53<jmcnaught>jest: as always when removing packages, check the list of proposed removals carefully (it will usually want to remove more than what you requested) and look up any packages you don't understand
13:53<jest>jmcnaught, good advice, thx
13:54<somiaj>and use apt-get over aptitude if you don't want autoinstalled packages to be removed automatically
13:55<jest>somiaj, boy i got a lot of dependencies to check, haha
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13:56<somiaj>might want to set the metapackage gnome-core to manual 'apt-get install gnome-core' that should help out a lot
13:56<jmcnaught>jest: if it were me i wouldn't bother removing them. You have the discipline not to let these games distract you!
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13:58<jest>jmcnaught, haha yeah, but i think it would be better to remove them, that way i dont have to worry about discipline
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14:27<samato_>hello world of debians
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15:02<jest>in deb7 gnome desktop if I go to activities > applications > then search for anything I notice quick links for Wikipedia and Google at the bottom of the page. How do I remove these quicklinks?
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15:08<ali_>hi
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15:18<jmcnaught>jest: you might find something that does what you want on https://extensions.gnome.org/
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15:23<jest>jmcnaught, thank you
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15:26<jmcnaught>jest: the package "gnome-tweak-tool" might be he up your alley too. It's called "advanced settings" inside gnome
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15:30<nima_>Is it possible to install Debian 7 on PS4
15:30<nima_>?
15:31<jest>jmcnaught, thx again, ill have to keep looking, still havent found any explanation why google and wikipedia are loaded as quicklinks
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15:38<jmcnaught>jest: i barely ever notice them to be honest
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15:40<jest>jmcnaught, ok, no worries, i just dont like google, so ill keep going til i can figure out how to remove it, thx again for all the help
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15:43<tore_>buonasera
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15:48<tore_>qualcuno parla italiano? grazie
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15:55<sney>!it
15:55<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:15<Ariel>hola
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16:25<jest>how do i install virtualbox in deb7?
16:25<Cpuroast>apt-get install virtualbox
16:25<Cpuroast>:)
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16:26<jest>Cpuroast, will that also install all necessary dependencies?
16:26<Cpuroast>that's what APT does
16:26<Cpuroast>:)
16:26<jest>fantastic, thank you
16:26<Cpuroast>https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox
16:26<rryoumaa>there is also a backport
16:26<jest>Cpuroast, oh, do i need to add vbox to my sources.list?
16:26<Cpuroast>no
16:27<jest>k, thx
16:27<Cpuroast>and yah
16:27<Cpuroast>there's a more recent version
16:27<Cpuroast>in backports
16:27<Cpuroast>4.3.12 is in backports
16:28<sney>you will need to add contrib non-free to your sources.list if it doesn't have that already though
16:28<jest>ive added backports,
16:28<jest>to my sources.list file
16:28<jest>just not the vbox backport
16:28<jest>i mean vbox source
16:28<Cpuroast>no need to add anything to sources
16:29<Cpuroast>except backports
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16:29<sney>vbox doesn't have its own source, it's just not in 'main' so you will need to add 'contrib non-free' after 'main' in sources.list
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16:32<jest>sney, Cpuroast i just finished the install, but it install v4.1.1, here is a copy of my sources.list file
16:32<jest>http://paste.debian.net/107206/
16:33<jest>what do i need to do to get v4.3
16:33<jest>?
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16:33<Cpuroast>backports doesn't get installed by default
16:33<jest>Cpuroast, i know, i had already added backports in the past
16:33<Cpuroast>apt-get -t wheezy-backports install virtualbox
16:33<Cpuroast>:)
16:33<Cpuroast>you would have seen that
16:33<Cpuroast>if you had read the wiki article
16:33<jest>which wiki article?
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16:34<Cpuroast>the one I linked
16:34<Cpuroast>above
16:34<Cpuroast> https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox
16:34<Cpuroast>:)
16:34<jest>so do i need to remove v4.1 or will it automatically upgrade when i run that command?
16:34<Cpuroast>it will just upgrade it
16:35<jest>k, thx, what does the -t stand for?
16:35<Cpuroast>it targets a diff version
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16:35<jest>i read that aricle but i got confused by the first line that reads '# apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') virtualbox', i wasnt sure if there was a part of that line that i needed to edit for my box
16:36<Cpuroast>so you are telling apt to pull the package "virtualbox" from wheezy-backports
16:36<jest>ok
16:36<Cpuroast>instead of it's default wheezy repo
16:36<jest>ok, looks like it working smoothly
16:36<Cpuroast>according to that article
16:36<Cpuroast>it looks like you need headers
16:36<jest>and i dont know what that is
16:37<jest>so i thought it might be more prudent to just ask on the channel
16:38<jest>alright, im up and running, thank you Cpuroast and sney
16:38<sney>np
16:38<Cpuroast>apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
16:38<Cpuroast>just installed required headers
16:38<Cpuroast>it seems
16:39<Cpuroast>which may or may not be required
16:39<sney>I think vbox has headers as a recommend these days
16:39<jest>do you need to change the part that says 'uname' to my acutal user name?
16:39<Cpuroast>no
16:39<Cpuroast>it's a command
16:39<jest>oh ok
16:39<Cpuroast>it's just going to do apt-get install linux-headers-amd64 in most cases :)
16:39<Cpuroast>on 64bit installs of linux
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16:40<jest>what man page would i consult to learn more about that -t command?
16:41<Cpuroast>man apt-get
16:41<Cpuroast>:)
16:41<devil>jest: man apt-get
16:41<Cpuroast>as with any command
16:41<jest>ok, cool, thx
16:41<Cpuroast>by installing that package off backports
16:41<devil>jest: interesting read anyways
16:41<Cpuroast>that package is now pinned to backports
16:41<Cpuroast>so it should always pull updates from there
16:41<Cpuroast>from now on
16:41<Cpuroast>when you do apt-get upgrade
16:41<jest>sounds good
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17:11<hse>hello. does anybody have a suggestion for a backup tool? FSArchiver unfortunately didn't quite do the trick, I had to reinstall the root partition.
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17:14<rryoumaa>hse: depends on your needs. there are git ones, enterprise stuff, encrypting ones, etc. 2 of the most popular are rsnapshot and rdiff-backup.
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17:14<rryoumaa>there is a good arch wiki on the topic if you don't like either of those two
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17:15<hse>rryoumaa: thx. I need a reliable "cronable" backup for my root partition.
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17:15<rryoumaa>i like both rsnapshot and rdiff-backup, but you'll have to try them out
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17:15<devil>hse: you could also look at obnam
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17:16<hse>rryoumaa: can they handle boot partitions?
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17:16<rryoumaa>what needs to be done for a boot partition?
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17:17<hse>well.. tried to install Skype. that didn't quite work out, something must have happened when multi-arch was installed. So I tried to put the FSArchive image back onto the /dev/sda1 boot partition, which failed (GRUB could not be installed).
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17:18<hse>I was under the impression that FSArchive would just rewrite the saved image, including GRUB
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17:19<babilen>rsnapshot is inherently broken in scenarios in which you might miss backups due to its "waterfall" system and lack of actual backup timestamp checks
17:21<hse>@all thanks for the recommendations... now googling.
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17:23<rryoumaa>babilen: explain?
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17:25<babilen>rryoumaa: rsnapshot does not actually have a notion of "hourly", "daily", "weekly" (and so on), but simply creates backups at certain intervals. The last backup then "flows over" to the next set of backups .. so that you have 7 dailies of which one flows over into the weekly (and so on)
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17:27<babilen>rryoumaa: If you miss backups in between your dailies might not actually be a day apart (same for weeklies, monthlies, ...). It does not actually check the timestamps of your backups when it expires them
17:27<babilen>IMHO rsnapshot is horribly flawed because of that and tools such as, say, dirvish get this right.
17:28<babilen>backuppc and obnam are certainly worth a look, but it really depends on what one wants to achieve
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17:29<babilen>hse: You might also want to look into LVM snapshots, but I'd also investigate proper backup tools that have support for deduplication, incremental backups, backup expiration policies, encryption, ...
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17:30<hse>babilen: I just want to "save" my /dev/sda1 partition in case another software installation fails. That way I hope I could just put on the old working partition image, thereby making the failed installation disappear without leaving a trace.
17:32<babilen>hse: I understand what you were after and LVM snapshots might fit your needs. You can, naturally, simply copy /dev/sda1 somehwere (cp /dev/sda1 sda1.backup) if that is what you are after. It should go without saying, but you shouldn't do the latter when the filesystem might change (i.e. unmount it)
17:33<babilen>that is if you use LVM :)
17:33<babilen>But then who isn't?
17:34<hse>babilen: probably I am not :-) Total newbie *duckandcover*
17:34<rryoumaa>babilen: i don't care whether daily means strictly daily, so i guess that doesn't affect me
17:34<jmcnaught>I have used LVM snapshots to rollback changes on virtual machines. I also use a "fresh install" LV that I create snapshots of for short-lived virtual machines. Really looking forward to snapshots of snapshots post Wheezy
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17:35<hse>jmcnaught: A VM is too big a gun for me.. we're talking about a backup of a netbook
17:35<rryoumaa>obnam is interesting. but i guess you have to have obnam to restore.
17:36<jmcnaught>hse: sure, but you can use LVM independently of virtual machines., that's just the context I've used the snapshot feature in. LVM is pretty great once you learn it
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17:38<jmcnaught>personally I use Duply/Duplicity for backups, but I think that would have the same issue that babilen is talking about with rsnapshot. Maybe it's time to move "use more robust backup solution" closer to the top of my TODO list
17:38<hse>jmcnaught: The way I understand LVM I'd have to reinstall my Debian system, right?
17:38<babilen>jmcnaught: Yeah, duply / duplicity are great too
17:39<babilen>jmcnaught: I haven't investigated them in detail regarding the aforementioned problem however
17:39<oldlaptop>hse: depends on what you want to put in LVM
17:41<oldlaptop>you could probably just cp -r portions of the system onto new LVM partitions (obviously you'll need to then mount it all where it belongs again, and update fstab)
17:41<hse>oldlaptop: basically I want a backup of everything (perhaps except /home) so that I can purge a system if apt-get goes wrong again
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17:41<babilen>A downside of backuppc is that it (still?) doesn't really work well with removable backup drives (i.e. the home user "plug in usb drive, run backup" scheme)
17:41<oldlaptop>probably better/easier just to reinstall then :P
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17:42<babilen>rryoumaa: Take a look at dirvish, it works fine and is nice for the "browsable snapshots with hardlinks" scenario
17:42<oldlaptop>personally I'd backup /home and manybe config files
17:43<oldlaptop>I can nuke-and-pave everything else, if it comes to that
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17:43<oldlaptop>on a home machine anyhow
17:43<babilen>It hasn't really been developed for some time now (it is working quite fine though)
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17:43<oldlaptop>things change when you're trying to keep a production system available
17:44<hse>oldlaptop: it's a bit tedious, reinstalling all perl modules and stuff... i want to avoid that
17:44<hse>it's just a home system
17:44<oldlaptop>ah
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17:47<babilen>I should also note that all of you want to use git-annex. It is a great tool for various things and I can't recommend it highly enough. Watch the screencast at http://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/ to get an idea about what it can do (the assistant is just a glimpse)
17:48<babilen>Really, take a look. It'll change your life.
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17:48<babilen>(together with https://github.com/RichiH/vcsh)
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17:49<jmcnaught>i'm also a big fan of etckeeper for /etc in Git
17:50<babilen>Oh yeah
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17:53<hse>thx everyone!
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17:54<rryoumaa>i like etckeeper too. but i wish it had the feature of allowing you to distinguish changes /you/ made better.
17:54<rryoumaa>babilen: i think rsnapshot works pretty well for me, but i'd consider odnam or dirvish as something to try in parallel
17:54<babilen>Which reminds me that I wanted to take a look at bup for quite some time.
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18:00<bitcrunsher>Hi. can anyone help me with v4l ? have an usb dongle rtl2832u with fresh compiled driver. kernel.log seems like it's working but no /dev/video for xawtv
18:00<schub>hello
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18:27<bitcrunsher>what software-package is required to have full DVB-T receiving on /dev/dvb/adapter0 ? is there a special program ?
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18:29<finn>bitcrunsher: i have no idea but I'd guess VLC can do it
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18:36<Vaxu>hello, I wonder if anybody could help me with a problem when trying to load kernelmodules
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18:37<Vaxu>the problem is that when i run modprobe i2c-dev (as root) i get no feedback, no errors or anything, which i suspect is fine and normal behaviour
18:37<Vaxu>but when I do lsmod I can't find the module loaded and I have no idea what the problem is then.. ?
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18:38<somiaj>Vaxu: have you looked at the output of 'dmesg | tail' right after you tried to load the module
18:38<somiaj>lots of times errors are reported just to the log not the the terminal
18:38<Vaxu>no, but I will now
18:39<Vaxu>no errors in dmesg either
18:39<Vaxu>I haven't really used linux in a long time so i'm quite lost here
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18:40<Vaxu>i know it's not blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d
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18:42<somiaj>you did a gre i2c-dev /etc/modprobe.d/*
18:43<Vaxu>i did grep i2c /etc/modprobe.d/*
18:43<Vaxu>actually even manually checked the 2 files in /etc/modprobe.d/
18:43<Vaxu>where are the modules stored?
18:44<somiaj>What version of debian are you running.
18:44<Vaxu>I have a raspberry pi running raspbmc (debian wheezy i think)
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18:44<somiaj>it is based off debian wheezy but is not debian wheezy so it is not supported here.
18:45<somiaj>I'm unsure what the issue is, but the only hits I got in google about the issue of not loading seem to talk about the raspberry pi. They have their own support.
18:45<Vaxu>ok yeah, thought if anybody could give me some hints but okay. Thanks anyways
18:45<somiaj>!raspbmc
18:45<dpkg>Raspbmc is a Linux distribution enabling the <Raspberry Pi> to operate as an <XBMC> front-end. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.raspbmc.com/ #raspbmc on chat.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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18:46<sixfoursystems>Can someone help me/
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18:49<sixfoursystems>I'm having a problem with the programs not being reponsive on the secondary monitor.
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19:05<somiaj>sixfoursystems: what do you mean? Can you clarify your problem? What windowmanager/de do you use?
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19:08<sixfoursystems>I'm currently using GNOME3
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19:10<sixfoursystems>And I've been using the propitiatory AMD/ATi catalyst drivers.
19:10<ratcheer>What a word!
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19:13<sixfoursystems>when I try to use a program toolbar or menustrip it takes a while to respond.
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20:18<GeeK2B>hello
20:18<GeeK2B>i have a question about a command
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20:23<jmcnaught>GeeK2B: go ahead and ask, there's no need to announce that you have a question :)
20:24<GeeK2B>ok
20:24<allen>Does anyone know why fish shell (package "fish") might be available for stable and for unstable, but not for testing? Which is what I use.
20:24<GeeK2B>well im new to linux and i have to answer a question. copy two file that i have created to a folder with one command
20:24<GeeK2B>i did: cp *12 ~/420-115-SH/Linux/presentation/; cp *22 ~/420-115-SH/Linux/presentation/
20:24<GeeK2B>is there a quicker way
20:25<GeeK2B>my file end with 12 and 22
20:25<GeeK2B>liste12 and liste22 in fact
20:25<GeeK2B>my way worked but im not sure it the best way
20:26<jmcnaught>GeeK2B: file:///usr/share/doc/debian-reference-common/html/ch01.en.html#shellglobpatterns <-- this might help (and the whole manual is worth reading :)
20:26<jmcnaught>GeeK2B: "liste?2" looks like it would match both files
20:27<GeeK2B>so the ? will ignore the character
20:27<jmcnaught>allen: https://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=fish
20:28<GeeK2B>and yes i know i have a lot of reading to do ... i just cant seem to find the end of it. College is hard and that homework is for monday
20:28<jmcnaught>allen: on that page there's also a link to "fish on packages.qa.d.o" which has an overview of a lot of useful info
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20:29<jmcnaught>GeeK2B: the truth is there's no bottom to this rabbit hole, there's always more to learn! Did that little table of shell glob pattens make some sense though?
20:29<GeeK2B>yes
20:30<GeeK2B>the light went on
20:30<GeeK2B>hehe
20:30<jmcnaught>GeeK2B: you can of course always test glob patterns first with ls, like: "ls liste?2" and check that the output matches your expectation
20:31<allen>Thanks jmcnaught! I'll check out that resource (hadn't heard of it before)
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20:33<jmcnaught>allen: there are also links to that QA site from a package's info page on https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
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20:34<GeeK2B>jmcnaught thx a bunch
20:34<GeeK2B>that helped
20:34<GeeK2B>alot
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20:34<allen>Okay, thanks a lot for the help =)
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20:35<jmcnaught>no problem folks, thanks for not being pushy or annoying :)
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20:38<jmcnaught>(sorry, not that you would be...)
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20:54<allen>jmcnaught, one more thing. In testing migration excuses it says there are new bugs, and also it says "Not considered" as an excuse. Does that mean it will appear in testing after the bugs are worked out or is it not even going to be considered for the indefinite future?
20:55<SamB>allen: which package?
20:55<allen>http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fish.html
20:56<SamB>allen: that's just because of the bug, yeah
20:57<jmcnaught>allen: also techinically you're supposed to ask testing/jessie questions in #debian-next
20:58<allen>oh ok, wasn't aware of that. Thanks guys =)
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21:19<canaima>Coordinacion
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21:42<root_>DD
21:43<root_>irc聊天不安全
21:43<root_>对吧
21:43<root_>anybody?
21:44<SamB>!root
21:44<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306
21:45<SamB>!cn
21:45<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
21:45<SamB>root_: ^
21:45<SamB>but this is already irc.oftc.net so you can skip that part
21:45<SamB>or if english is fine, just use that
21:46<root_>run as root is danger?
21:47<SamB>yeah
21:47<root_>I am a rookie
21:48<root_>china
21:48<root_>you?
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21:53<reaper>hi all
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21:55<user01>any recommendations for partitioning a 128 GB ssd on a laptop? i read somewhere not to use swap on ssd for example
21:57<reaper>half of my tools on bugtraq dont work any one now why?
21:58<ncl_>user01: it's advised not to use swap on an SSD as it may cause unwanted wear and lowered performance, I suppose you could use zram in place of swap if you wanted. F2FS is also a file system made with nand flash in mind, but any filesystem should work; the default ext4 understands trim commands and such.
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22:04<user01>ncl_, ok cool, i think ill do 19 GB / 2.5 GB /var and rest in /home
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22:06<user01>my old laptop has 62% use for / at 19 GB and 56% use of 2.8 for /var
22:06<user01>and home is close to maxed out ;)
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22:52<jmcnaught>FDoctor: hello, do you need Debian help? Feel free to ask a question :)
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22:53<FDoctor>no thanks
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23:58<sleser>quik quastion . the non free flash player for firefox . plays plays plays for a litle bit then stops in the middle of a movie
23:58<sleser>keeps doing it constantly
23:58<sleser>sins i keep mine maximized . with few drinks. i loose on where the movie stoped on in minuts/hours
23:59<sleser>its iritating
23:59<sleser>for iceweasel
23:59<sleser>any clue why ?
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