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---Logopened Wed Jul 02 00:00:32 2014
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00:01<Eremiell>I remember last time I ran installer, it had non-free picked by default, which is what most people do anyway.
00:02<SamB>Eremiell: And yet RMS still thinks we err too much on the side of non-free!
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00:05<Eremiell>SamB: once all the drivers have free alternatives, all the common formats can be opened by free software, all the... yes, I hate to use non-free stuff in a way, but also have to say, I wouldn't be able to work without it in current state of affair.
00:08<sleser>mount: can't find reason 4.0.iso in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
00:08<sleser>i already have it mounted with a tool + i did manualy error comes up . ^
00:08<sleser>do i need to add it to fstab for this to work ?
00:08<sininen>you need to specify a mountpoint
00:09<sleser>i see
00:09<sleser>lemy try
00:09<sininen>mount -o loop 4.0.iso /mnt/
00:09<sininen>or in place of '/mnt/' can be any directory
00:09<sininen>for example '~/tmp', after you mkdir it
00:12<sleser>keeps saying no sutch file or directory
00:13<Eremiell>my absolutely fresh netinstall can ping ips, can ping domains, can download repo info (update goes well), but can't download any packages or wget anything. seems like I can get the packets outside, but response is lost somehow. /etc/network/interfaces looks alright. It's a plain, no X install.
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00:14<Eremiell>any ideas?
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00:15<sininen>sleser: mkdir ~/tmp && mount -o loop 4.0.iso ~/tmp && cd ~/tmp
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00:17<root>how to uninstall the network manager if already have a wicd? or it just okay to have both?
00:17<sleser>mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/sleser/tmp': File exists
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00:18<sininen>execute the same starting from 'mount'
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00:19<root>my wicd cannot search any wifi.. how to fix it?
00:22<sleser>mount: warning: /home/sleser/tmp seems to be mounted read-only.
00:22<sleser>can i set it to read and write
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00:23<sininen>no
00:23<sleser>why
00:23<root>eremiell: please help
00:23<sininen>think of it like an audio cd
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00:24<jpinx>root: I just removed wicd and put in network manager - - end of problem
00:24<sleser>well its mounted on dolphin but i canot see any content of it it just moutned something called 2 gig hd . whitch ame up on dolphin
00:24<sleser>inside is blank
00:25<root>how to remove?
00:25<sininen>sleser: look inside the tmp directory in your home
00:25<jpinx>root: aptitude remove wicd
00:25<sleser>i see
00:26<sleser>thanks
00:26<sleser>works
00:26<sleser>how to unmount
00:26<sleser>when i need to
00:26<sininen>umount ~/tmp
00:26<sleser>np
00:27<root>jpinx.. i have a wlan usb adapter but when i install the install.sh it gives me an error
00:27<root>http://paste.debian.net/107692/
00:27<root>how do fix it?
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00:29<Eremiell>root: isn't there a package for it?
00:29<Eremiell>root: also you seem to be missing linux headers
00:30<root>i have an installer here but when i type ./install.sh on terminal i get those errors.. i do apt-get update && apt-get install and upgrade
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00:31<Eremiell>root: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-whatever it says down there
00:32<Eremiell>root: or even better linux-headers-686-pae
00:34<root>it says linux-headers-686-pae is already newest version
00:34<gsimmons>root: The driver you are attempting to compile is already part of the Linux kernel.
00:34<gsimmons>dpkg: rtl8192cu
00:34<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CUS and RTL8192CU are USB 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192su> driver. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
00:36<sininen>dpkg: realtek firmware
00:36<dpkg>Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de> and <rtl8192se> Linux kernel drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for specific Realtek Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide.
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00:37<root>my realtek driver is rtl8192cu
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00:38<root>how to know the realtek firmware
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00:42<Eremiell>root: just apt-get install firmware-realtek
00:43<root>i just install that but it seems not working
00:44<sininen>reboot
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00:52<root>its working
00:52<root>:D
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00:54<sininen>:)
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01:49<sleser>what is a directory name for a dvd rom in /media called ?
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01:52<znalo>is there some way in aptitude to 'expand all' the package tree view(s) ?
01:54<sleser>cant find cdemu in debian
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01:57<jm_>sleser: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=705409
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02:01<sleser>thanks jm_
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03:17<sleser>cant install. http://paste.debian.net/107715/
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03:21<helmut_>hi
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04:46<tranjeeshan>Hi
04:46<tranjeeshan>Everythime I've to type in 'startx' to log into i3wm
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04:47<tranjeeshan>If I use another WM, say, awesomewm, then which wm I would be loggen in to if I type in 'startx'?
04:47<babilen>tranjeeshan: You might want to install a display manager such as gdm3 or lightdm. That way your logind/consolekit/dbus sessions will also be initialised correctly
04:47<tranjeeshan>I did install slim
04:48<tranjeeshan>then i thought why use a DM, if you can live without it
04:48<tranjeeshan>then I uninstalled it
04:48<jm_>tranjeeshan: which wm to start is done using ~/.xsession or by setting alternatives if using the default session
04:48<babilen>tranjeeshan: It depends on your setup in your ~/.xsession file and, if you don't have one, the window manager that is being set as x-session-manager in the alternative system.
04:48<babilen>heh
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04:49<tranjeeshan>how can I set which one to start in .xsesion file?
04:49<tranjeeshan>*.xsession
04:49<jm_>!xsession
04:49<dpkg>[xsession] ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession'
04:49<babilen>tranjeeshan: I would, however, recommend to use a display manager as you will run into all sorts of pain to maintain a correctly initialised environment (e.g. the aforementioned dbus, logind, consolekit, ...)
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04:50<jm_>if you want it simple you just put wm to use in .xsession
04:51<tranjeeshan>jm_, both of the wms?
04:51<jm_>tranjeeshan: you can only run one at a time
04:51<tranjeeshan>how about priority
04:51<babilen>But then you'll have to live with the fallout from dbus. logind, consolekit ...
04:52<tranjeeshan>babilen, so you're saying that I'd better use a DM
04:52<tranjeeshan>?
04:52<babilen>tranjeeshan: You would have to have one ~/.xsession file for each. Seriously, I would really recommend to just use a DM. I can tell you how to write a correct ~/.xsession file *now*, but that might change in the future and it is up to *you* to maintain that indefinetely.
04:52<babilen>tranjeeshan: Yes, I've been mildly hinting at that ;)
04:52<babilen>But I might have been too subtle
04:53*jm_ uses startx :)
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04:53<tranjeeshan>which one comes with little or no dependencies?
04:53<tranjeeshan>lightdm, slim?
04:53<babilen>jm_: Well, you would have to use "startx -- vt01" right now.
04:54<jm_>babilen: what do you mean with now?
04:54<babilen>tranjeeshan: slim had a bad track record, so I'd recommend lightdm
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04:54<tranjeeshan>okay I'll go with LightDM
04:54<tranjeeshan>thanks
04:54<babilen>jm_: Which release were you tracking again?
04:54<jm_>babilen: wheezy
04:55<tranjeeshan>another prob is that, I don't have any Documents, Pictures or Videos in my Home direcotory
04:55<babilen>jm_: Ah, you are fine then IIRC. Just remember it once you upgrade to jessie to ensure that your logind session is initialised correctly.
04:55<babilen>tranjeeshan: Do you want them?
04:56<babilen>Or would you like to use different names?
04:56<tranjeeshan>No, I mean, I've installed Debian netInst
04:56<tranjeeshan>so I didn't find them in Home folder
04:57<jm_>babilen: I have planned on switching to using a DM at work anyway, so I'll probably manage to do it before jessie is released
04:57<babilen>+1
04:58<babilen>tranjeeshan: You can easily create them yourself. "mkdir $HOME/{Documents,Pictures,Videos}"
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04:58<tranjeeshan>I know
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04:58<tranjeeshan>But why I didn't get them by default
04:59<tranjeeshan>Does the DE create them?
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05:01<tranjeeshan>When I install a distro, I get them default
05:01<babilen>tranjeeshan: My home directory is older than the Freedesktop specification so I never had to deal with that (and I use xdg-user-dirs and ~/txt, ~/audio, ~/video, ... anyway), but I would assume that there is some process to create those automagically. It probably depends on your desktop environment, but IIRC Gnome does this for you.
05:02<tranjeeshan>thanks
05:02<tranjeeshan>got it
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05:03<Zaba>babilen, is using startx going to be deprecated if it won't work properly anymore?
05:03<babilen>xdg-user-dirs is great btw as you don't have to endure those ugly Uppercase names :)
05:03<tranjeeshan>:)
05:04<babilen>Zaba: It is not going to be deprecated, but you are on your own when it comes to initialising your session. As session handling gets increasingly complex these days it puts a maintenance burden on the system administrator to maintain *their* setup.
05:04<jm_>I wonder if using xdg-user-dirs would allow me to rename "Downloads" that chromium uses
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05:05<babilen>Zaba: The necessity to call "startx -- vt01" to ensure that the logind initialisation obtained from libpam-systemd is being carried over into the X session is one example.
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05:05<Zaba>I see
05:05<jm_>ahh yes that systemd thing
05:05<babilen>jm_: It does, I use ~/downloads and couldn't be happier and all Freedesktop-aware applications are using it by default. (You also get matching icons in your file manager, ...)
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05:06<jm_>babilen: thanks, will try it then
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05:06<babilen>jm_: Well, it is not "that systemd thing", but the only implementation that correctly allows services to differentiate between different groups of users based on the way they access the system (local/non-local, active, ...)
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05:07<jm_>babilen: it was just a systemd related comment, not related to session handling etc.
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05:07<jm_>plus I don't need any of that :)
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05:07<babilen>"Get off my lawn!"
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05:09<babilen>jm_: Run "xdg-user-dirs-update" once you have it installed (that one is in xdg-user-dirs-gtk, you can naturally create ~/.config/xdg-user-dirs.{dirs,locale} yourself)
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05:13<rangjiaheng>hello
05:14<jm_>babilen: thanks, it works (I used ~/downloads at first and it doesn't recognize that, but after seeing how it's created with xdg-user-dirs-update I fixed it)
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05:16<babilen>+1
05:16<babilen>jm_: That tools should be known by a lot more people. :)
05:16<babilen>*tool
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05:18<jm_>babilen: I fully agree
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05:42<rangjiaheng>so rub
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05:50<inkbottle>When you buy a new disk, are there test you want to perform to see if the disk is likely to be damaged, or is it usually unnecessary? (and the disk is 4TB so any verification could take decades...)
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05:52<jm_>inkbottle: you could run read test through the whole disk but as I say, it will take a long time
05:53<jm_>uhm as you already said ...
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05:56<inkbottle>jm_: I intend to fill it right on with the contents of other disks; if there is something wrong it should show during the process? (I'll use rsync to transfer the data...)
05:57<jm_>inkbottle: typically with these disks the error is detected on read, not on write AFAIK
05:58<inkbottle>:-)
05:58<inkbottle>sure
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06:02<inkbottle>jm_: would the command be "fsck"?
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06:04<jm_>inkbottle: badblocks
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06:06<inkbottle>jm_: ok
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06:13<inkbottle>jm_: so it could be that: fsck -vcck /dev/<device-PARTITION>? in order to have the file system informed of damaged sectors? (from https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/badblocks)
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06:15<jm_>inkbottle: I suppose if you really want to go that route
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06:18<inkbottle>jm_: I see what you mean...
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06:21<inkbottle>jm_: the disk is a WD Red, which I bought because it was available in my local shop. Later I read reviews where many people complained about it. But it might be crap, and the disk might be as reliable as any other.
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06:23<jm_>inkbottle: yeah no doubt some people would have bad luck with it and those usually prevail over good results
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06:26<inkbottle>jm_: Probably so
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06:34<sun>HELLO
06:34<jm_>so I tried usb 3 again last week and it's still flaky for me, need to try with a more recent kernel, but i'll do that later in the year
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07:06<inkbottle>after cfdisk New->Primary->leave size as it is->Write... I have "Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary" (4TB disk)
07:08<inkbottle>how do I know if the disk has 4kb sector?
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07:14<jm_>inkbottle: for a 4T drive it most certainly is
07:16<jm_>inkbottle: also, smartctl -a and check the Sector Size line
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07:19<inkbottle>jm_: ok, thanks, because I didn't find the information on the constructor site
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07:22<jm_>inkbottle: ahh you can also look in /sys, queue/physical_block_size file
07:23<inkbottle>jm_: I already found that: less /sys/block/sdb/queue/physical_block_size that says 4096
07:23<jm_>inkbottle: yeah makes sense so ensure partition is aligned properly
07:24<inkbottle>jm_: so, now I should inform cfdisk about that
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07:25<jm_>inkbottle: newer versions should handle that, you can vieryf how it created partition with fdisk -u -l
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07:27<inkbottle>jm_: newer version of cfdisk you mean?
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07:29<inkbottle>cfdisk -v -> cfdisk (util-linux 2.20.1)
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07:30<jm_>inkbottle: that one should do the job properly, like I said, verify with above fdisk command
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07:32<inkbottle>jm_: the result of fdisk http://paste.debian.net/107760/
07:32<inkbottle>so it seems I do have to change it
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07:34<user>hi everyone
07:34<jm_>inkbottle: yeah that's wrong
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07:35<jm_>inkbottle: interesting, I thought since cfdisk is part of util-linux it would work (required version is 2.15 so 2.20 is well above that), and I never use cfdisk, always fdisk or maybe parted
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07:37<inkbottle>jm_: so it seems
07:37<inkbottle>so I should use fdisk to partition the disk
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07:38<inkbottle>like this, perhaps? fdisk -c -u /dev/sdb
07:38<jm_>-u is just to use sectors as unit, no need to use it in general
07:38<jm_>(but it's helpful when printing part. tables to verify it's aligned properly)
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07:40<inkbottle>jm_: so it seems that I can try that: fdisk -c -u?
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07:41<jm_>inkbottle: fdisk /dev/sdb
07:42<inkbottle>ok :-)
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07:45<one>Hi
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07:46<one>Can i edit at start laptop for example my campany "dell"
07:47<one>??
07:48<one>at boot?
07:48<planetmaker>one, sorry, I don't understand at all what you're asking
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07:49<one>edit boot
07:49<planetmaker>you mean the boot menu?
07:49<one>I want to edit boot at show my campany
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07:50<one>I want to don t show my campany laptop in boot
07:50<one>understand?
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07:50<planetmaker>Not really. You're talking of the login screen?
07:52<one>When the system is turned on, you will find the company name laptops
07:52<one>understand
07:52<one>?
07:52<planetmaker>oh... the screen(s) which show up right after powering on?
07:53<planetmaker>That's bios software at work, I recon
07:53<centrx>one, The "Dell" logo is from the BIOS, not the operating system
07:53<one>Yes
07:53<jm_>sometimes it's possible to change that, but try asking elsewhere, say in hardware related channels
07:53<one>Can i edit logo
07:53<jm_>for example ##hardware on irc.freenode.net
07:54<one>?
07:54<centrx>one, You could try something like OpenBIOS, but generally it is best to stick with your computer's existing BIOS
07:54<jm_>and please stop using enter key so much
07:54<inkbottle>jm_: d (delete) -> p -> n -> enter, enter,... -> p
07:54<one>Hmm
07:55<inkbottle>jm_: no, w (write, at the end)
07:55<one>so I can t
07:55<jm_>inkbottle: ahh yeah and since you didn't use -u you won't see it in sectors now, sorry :)
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07:56<igmp>one: No you can't without doing heavy modification
07:57<planetmaker>I'd not risk a company PC just for changing BIOS output
07:57<igmp>I wonder if it's more easy to change with efi
07:58<one>Can i boot to display a favorite photo?
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08:00<one>Can i when boot to display a favorite photo?
08:00<one>or no?
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08:00<planetmaker>one, as suggested, ask in a channel which know about hardware modifications
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08:01<one>my ask about os not hardware!
08:01<one>understand!!!!!!!!!
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08:01<planetmaker>the BIOS *is* part of your hardware
08:02<planetmaker>it's the software part of the hardware, so-to-speak
08:02<planetmaker>but it's not debian for sure
08:02<one>please read my ask and write coment
08:02<one>Can i when boot debian to display a favorite photo?
08:03<centrx>Yes
08:03<igmp>one: you want to boot debian to only display a picture ?
08:03<one>yes
08:03<jm_>heck you could even do it in grub
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08:04<bluewater>i think he is talking about a boot slash
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08:04<bluewater>splash
08:04<planetmaker>^
08:04<inkbottle>jm_: what about GPT (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GPT)?
08:04<chemaher76>hi everyone
08:04<jm_>inkbottle: what about it?
08:05<inkbottle>:-)
08:05<igmp>chemaher76: hi, do you have a question ?
08:05<one>yes
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08:05<one><bluewater>:yes
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08:07<one>How
08:07<inkbottle>jm_: it's said: MBR not recommended (that is to say fdisk), use instead GPT :-) (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Format#Aligning_Partitions)
08:07<one>?
08:07<inkbottle>they don't say how to use GPT
08:07<jm_>inkbottle: yeah especially if you want to create a single partition
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08:08<one>Can i when boot debian to display a favorite photo?if yes How?
08:08<planetmaker>one, you've been pointed to a place where people might much more likely know the answer...
08:09<bluewater>one: basically a waste of time,,, however use your favourite search engine and search for "how to make a boot splash"
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08:09<inkbottle>jm_: sorry I don't understand "especially if yoy want to create a single partition"? You mean I should use which of them then?
08:10<jm_>inkbottle: GPT
08:10<one>Yes
08:10<one>Thanks
08:10<inkbottle>jm_: ok
08:10<inkbottle>jm_: what tool would you suggest for that task?
08:10<jm_>one: if you want to show a picture while booting look at splash
08:11<one>what is splash?
08:11<jm_>inkbottle: I have used gpt, but there are also other tools (gdisk, parted, gparted ...)
08:11<jm_>!bootsplash
08:11<dpkg>The bootsplash project (http://www.bootsplash.org/) provided Linux kernel patches and userspace utilities to enable a graphical boot process. Previously packaged for Debian as linux-patch-bootsplash and bootsplash, removed post-Etch to resolve bugs #469776 and #436639 respectively. Superseded by the Splashy Project (no kernel patch required), ask me about <splashy>. See also <plymouth>.
08:12<one>!python
08:12<dpkg>Python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it. See http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide . #python and ##python on irc.freenode.net, #python on irc.oftc.net. See also <python 2.6>, <python 2.7> and <python 3>.
08:12<inkbottle>jm_: ok
08:13<one>Site is broken
08:13<bluewater>GPT is required for disks that are greater than 2 TB in size.
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08:14<one>Site is broken
08:16<devil_>one: and again: please no empty messages!
08:16<one>Hi devil
08:16<centrx>one, Try installing plymouth
08:16<devil_>bluewater: isn't that partitions?
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08:21<jm_>i think it's true for both - since part. start and size are 4bytes long so you're limited when not using gpt
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08:28<bluewater>devil_: well gpt defaults to 128 partitions
08:29<bluewater>err gdisk that is
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08:39<MrAnonymous>I'm really pissed off... Why it doesn't work... http://pastebin.com/0eziC35R
08:40<MrAnonymous>BTW I changed SIM, but zero chnages
08:40<MrAnonymous>BTW I changed SIM, but zero changes
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08:41<babilen>MrAnonymous: I am sorry to hear that you feel that way
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08:42<babilen>MrAnonymous: You might want to elaborate a bit more on the "it" bit of your "question" though. Also: Does "it" work if you switch back to your old SIM?
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08:43<MrAnonymous>You've any ideas? Generally it works perfect before (on my old debian), it was stable... Now I've stable and i have no idea, where is a problem...
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08:45<MrAnonymous>It doesn't work since about 1year!
08:45<MrAnonymous>Fuckin shit
08:46<grummund>Is it possible to remove a physical volume from a LVM volume group (assuming the logical volumes wil fit on remaining physical volumes)?
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08:49<planetmaker>http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/removepvsfromvg.html @ grummund ;)
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08:49<babilen>MrAnonymous: So, you switched your SIM about a year ago and ever since "it" doesn't work?
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08:50<grummund>planetmaker: thanks. i'm mid install w/out web access ;)
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08:50<babilen>MrAnonymous: I still have no idea what you are actually doing or trying to get working.
08:50<babilen>But then, back to work
08:50<planetmaker>grummund, basically the answer is 'yes'
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08:51<planetmaker>or at least that's what's suggested by that URL
08:51<grummund>planetmaker: thank you
08:51<grummund>i added a physical volume that i shouldn't, if it can be removed later then i don't need to restart the entire install
08:52*grummund bookmarks the url for later
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08:54<Perdouille>Hello !
08:54<Perdouille>Does anyone got a solution ? http://pastebin.com/FZSqn3Wj
08:55<MrAnonym1us>Perdouille: can you upgrade?
08:55<MrAnonym1us>Perdouille: can you upgrade debian?
08:55<zathras>I need some PERL library advice for Debain Wheezy. I run a script to monitor a VMware server. This script produces errors. According to various sources these have to do with perl libwww. 6.04 is the default version on Wheezy. 6.03 works for some others say it requires 5.837. What would be the best way to implement this on Debian?
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08:56<Perdouille>apt-get upgrade :
08:56<Perdouille>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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08:56<ixi>zathras leave the system perl be and roll your own
08:56<ixi>use this http://perlbrew.pl/
08:56<zathras>ixi, as uninstall?
08:56<ixi>install perl of the version that you need with that ^
08:56<MrAnonym1us>Perdouille: no, no. Change the sources.list at stable not squeeze
08:56<ixi>and cpanminus too
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08:57<ixi>then use them to setup the needed environment for your script
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08:59<blast007>MrAnonym1us: that's terrible advice, really...
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09:01<babilen>Perdouille: First and foremost: You use a configuration file that is no longer supported and you should migrate its content from /etc/modprobe.conf into /etc/modprobe.d/
09:01<babilen>dpkg: tell Perdouille -about squeeze->wheezy
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09:01<babilen>Perdouille: You should also consider upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, but following the instructions in the release notes.
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09:02<Perdouille>It's upgrading from squeeze to stable right now
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09:02<babilen>Perdouille: To "stable" ? What have you done? Are you following the instructions the bot sent you?
09:02<Perdouille>I did what <MrAnonym1us> told me before
09:03<Perdouille>I changed wheezy to stable in /etc/sources.list
09:03<Perdouille>then apt-get upgrade / update
09:03<babilen>Perdouille: That was, as blast007 rightfully pointed out, horrible advice. You should *never* use "stable" in your sources.list but always the actual release names.
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09:03<Perdouille>Ah :/
09:04<babilen>Perdouille: It is also a very good idea to follow the instructions in https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html when upgrading from one release to another.
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09:04<blast007>and you should read the release notes as there is usually special instructions about how to upgrade
09:04<babilen>Perdouille: The main reason for that is that you will upgrade/install packages from a different "stable" once we release a new version. This process should be under your control and you want to be explicit about these things.
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09:05<babilen>Perdouille: Given that you already started it there is little you can do right now, but I would recommend to follow https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process and then perform the dist-ugprade as suggested in https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-full
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09:06<Perdouille>Okay, thanks !
09:07<babilen>Perdouille: And don't panic: What you are doing now is, although not ideal, also not horribly catastrophic and the outcome if identical as if you had used "wheezy" rather than "stable" to begin with *right now*
09:07<babilen>*outcome is
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09:07<Perdouille>I'm not panicking :D
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09:07<Perdouille>It's just a VPS with Mumble on it
09:08<Perdouille>so if it's broken, I just reinstall it ^^
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09:08<babilen>Perdouille: A complete sources.list that uses a matamirror to pick the "best" mirror for you automatically would be http://paste.debian.net/107779
09:08<babilen>*metamirror
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09:19<zathras>ixi, what do you recommend: I have a noshell user which needs this setup with perlbrew. I would like as little impact on the system as possible
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09:20<flambait>hi, i'd like to learn a bit of ncurses interface programming. which package do i need for that? libncurses5-dev?
09:20<ixi>zathras make a normal users
09:20<ixi>user*
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09:22<zathras>ixi, but then I might have to force an user writing to dirs, rights etc. This is the only painfull sudo route I can take?
09:23<ixi>sudo route?
09:23<ixi>how is sudo in this?
09:24<inkbottle>With gparted, once you have selected GPT in "device"; you still have to create a new primary partition?
09:24<inkbottle>it's really unclear to me
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09:24<zathras>ixi, I have no idea yet. But user nagios has certain rights. If I need a separate user for perl I have to implement some trickery to switch between users I presume
09:25<zathras>I will do some manual testing first
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09:27<rostam>Hi I am preseeding installation of squeezy, using expert_recipe I create 4 partitions. One partition I do not want to have mountpoint. But I always get asked for "No mount point assigned ..." for that partition. How could I by pass this? thx
09:28<babilen>squeezy?
09:28<babilen>dpkg: squeezy
09:28<dpkg>Debian 7 <stable> is codenamed <wheezy>. The previous <oldstable> distribution, Debian 6.0, is codenamed <squeeze>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze".
09:28<rostam>sorry wheezy
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09:29<babilen>rostam: #debian-boot please
09:30<rostam>thx
09:30<Perdouille>"Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.5 (wheezy)
09:30<Perdouille>"
09:30<Perdouille>Done :D
09:30<Perdouille>still a problem with modprobe
09:30<Perdouille>http://paste.debian.net/107782/
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09:34<towo^work>Perdouille, if this is a openvz or similar vps, you canÄt modprobe anything
09:35<Perdouille>Ah :/
09:35<Perdouille>So I can't make a virtual sound card ?
09:35<towo^work>Perdouille, your system has no own kernel, only host-side kernel
09:35<towo^work>Perdouille, if it so, you can't
09:36<babilen>Perdouille: Get a better hoster, nobody should suffer from OpenVZitis
09:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 692] by debhelper
09:37<towo^work>babilen, lxc as exampülo would not help either 😉
09:37<towo^work>*example
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09:39<towo^work>the only secure way would be a dedicated server, ther is controll over the whole hardware and system
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09:40<inkbottle>I still don't really know what to do to have one single partition in my 4TB hard disk
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09:40<inkbottle>gdisk is said to be in beta
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09:40<babilen>I use gdisk regularly
09:40<inkbottle>babilen: ok
09:41<babilen>judd: v gdisk
09:41<judd>Package: gdisk on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 0.8.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.5-1; jessie: 0.8.8-1; sid: 0.8.8-1
09:41<babilen>And those don't look like beta releases to me.
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09:42<inkbottle>babilen: it'qs in the description: "please note that gdisk is still in beta version"
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09:43<inkbottle>babilen: so I've tried with gparted, but I don't know if I have to create a primary partition once I've selected GPT in "device"
09:43<me>Is there a way to have autocorrect / faster typing assistance in linux for global use? Searching one for a while.
09:44<babilen>me: gtypist + time
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09:45<babilen>me: But in a more serious reply to your question: I am not really aware of a tool like that.
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09:50<jsw_>lkd
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10:04<DrZaius>apt-rdepends -rb --> E: Reverse build-dependencies are not supported
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10:04<DrZaius>is there a way to search for reverse build dependences?
10:06<DrZaius>build-rdeps... got it
10:06<DrZaius>I have it on my personal debian cheatsheet :P
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10:07<inkbottle>babilen: So what I did is create partition with gdisk; then mkfs.ext4; then mkdir mountpoint; then blkid to retrieve the UUID; then fill the fstab; then everything seems ok
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10:11<babilen>inkbottle: Sounds reasonable
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10:12<inkbottle>babilen: nice
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10:15<sgalbert41>HI
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10:30<alumno>rejgfsdjgjfsdujgujrdutgushugsudgfusdugfusdjgfsdgufsdjufdsjfsdjdf
10:30<alumno>d
10:30<alumno>f
10:30<alumno>sd
10:30<alumno>fs
10:30-!-alumno was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
10:31<abrotman>is alumno some new spanish distro?
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10:42<zumbi>abrotman: no idea, but it means 'pupil' in spanish, could be
10:45<zumbi>it could also be argentinian based, http://repo.huayra.conectarigualdad.gob.ar/huayra/
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10:51<huayra>zumbi well Huayra GNU/Linux is a distro
10:52<huayra>abrotman huayra means wind... And I got the nick like before Linux (the kernel) existed...
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10:52<huayra>it is a Quechua/Quichua word, not Spanish
10:53<zumbi>huayra: I meaned there is argentinian distro that uses alumno as default user
10:54<zumbi>huayra: are you involved in that project?
10:54<huayra>gotcha
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11:01<jmcnaught>maybe this Huayra distro has a bug tracker where they could be asked to change the default channel in xchat to their own channel instead of #debian?
11:02<huayra>it seems the default is a different one #huayragnulinux
11:02<huayra>but it might be that xchat is configured to also have #debian by default...
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11:02<shiro>hello
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11:03<huayra>on freenode, not here though
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11:06<shiro>is it posible to configure debian to not start the DE and just stay at the terminal ?
11:06<shiro>when starting the PC i mean
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11:37<zathras>ixi, any recommendations on how to run a perl script as user X when the perlbrew environment is in the home of user X? I presume some sudo crap?
11:37<zathras>*home of user Y
11:38<zathras>I would be fine if it is even run as user Y however it has to be initiated as user X (being user nagios, not root) and Y is user "me"
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11:39<retrospectacus>can you add ~X/perlbrew to Y's perl library path
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11:40<zathras>uhm. I think I need as user X to execute: become user Y (execute login/get envirinment), perlbre switch myperl, execute script, pray that outpur can be processed by user X
11:41<zathras>*output
11:41<zathras>seems like a shitty error-prone, difficult, bound to go wrong when upgrading at some time, solution. But I see no alternative atm
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11:42<retrospectacus>I mixed up X and Y above
11:44<zathras>basically a daemon running as user "nagios" needs to get the environment of user "myuser" to execute a perl script with different lib (cpan) versions than the system perl libs
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11:47<retrospectacus>I'd probably put in "ssh myuser@localhost /path/to/script.pl | ..." and use a key but I'm lazy
11:47<retrospectacus>sudo would be a better, somewhat more secure way
11:47<samkod>I am running wheezy 7.5 amd64 with ext4. I've had this machine for over a year and I noticed that it never does a disk check like on squeeze
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11:48<samkod>can anyone steer me in the right direction, perhaps I did something wrong? It just seemed that every 20 or so boots on my squeeze install it would run a disk check
11:48<retrospectacus>samkod: you can check/alter that frequency with tune2fs as root
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11:50<samkod>hmmm tune2fs is not a package? e2fslibs come up, am i maybe missing something?
11:50<retrospectacus>it's a command
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11:51<samkod>:)
11:51<samkod>thanks
11:51<retrospectacus>np
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11:55<samkod>how do i determine the current # of mounts?
11:55<samkod>that a disk is set to
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11:56<retrospectacus>samkod: tune2fs -l /dev/sda6 and look for "mount count" (or grep)
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11:58<kjo>where can i get debconf-get-selections?
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11:58<kjo>it used to be in debconf-utils...
11:59<kjo>...until not too long ago.
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11:59<kjo>now apt-get tells me that debconf-utils is no longer available
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12:00<retrospectacus>,v debconf-utils
12:00<judd>Package: debconf-utils on i386 -- squeeze: 1.5.36.1; wheezy: 1.5.49; jessie: 1.5.53; sid: 1.5.53
12:01<retrospectacus>,f bin/debconf-get-selections
12:02<kjo>i don't understand why apt-get tells me debconf-utils is not available anymore
12:02<kjo>my system is wheezy amd64
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12:02<retrospectacus>kjo: well, show us your "apt-cache policy" - http://paste.debian.net
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12:03<retrospectacus>my "apt-file search bin/debconf-get-selections" confirms it is in debconf-utils. Not sure what's the matter with judd
12:03<kjo>retrospectacus: will do (the machine in question is not connected to the internet), so this will take a bit...
12:04<kjo>sorry i meant to say, the machine in question is different from the one i'm using now
12:04<kjo>so this will take a bit
12:05<retrospectacus>kjo: apt-get install pastebinit && apt-cache policy | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net
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12:05<retrospectacus>,file bin/debconf-get-selections
12:05<judd>Search for bin/debconf-get-selections in wheezy/i386: debconf-utils: usr/bin/debconf-get-selections
12:06<retrospectacus>there we go
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12:07<samkod>hey retrospectacus, is there any way that I can check the entire disk rather than just the partition?
12:07<retrospectacus>samkod: no; only partions have mount counts, limits, and can be checked. Whole disks cannot.
12:08<samkod>ahhh I did not know this, so is it actually checking for hardisk errors then? or is it filesystem errors on disk?
12:11<kjo>ok, i typed the output of "apt-cache policy" in...
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12:11<kjo>here: http://paste.debian.net/107808
12:11<retrospectacus>only the filesystem
12:12<retrospectacus>kjo: so you only have a CD as a package source. I guess debconf-utils isn't on it.
12:12<retrospectacus>kjo: you should add a network source
12:12<kjo>i used to have one, but i commented it out; let me explain...
12:12<kjo>this is a freshly reinstalled system
12:12<retrospectacus>please explain on one line.
12:12<kjo>i installed it both times from the same cdrom
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12:13<kjo>the first time i was able to apt-get install debconf-utils without any problem
12:13<retrospectacus>please explain on one line.
12:13<kjo>this was just yesterday
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12:15<kjo>ok, sorry; so i'm at a loss for why this second time around apt-get says debconf-utils is no longer available; so, as last ditch effort, i commented out the non-local sources; i'll add them again and report back
12:16<retrospectacus>why would you not have a network source? You'll never get new packages, security updates, or anything that didn't come on your CD
12:17<retrospectacus>your explanation didn't explain anything
12:17<retrospectacus>there's no mystery to solve here anyways.
12:17<kjo>retropectacus: this was meant to be temporary, more for troubleshooting than anything; i'll post the non-local sources in a sec
12:19<retrospectacus>troubleshooting what? Deducing what packages are on the CD?
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12:20<retrospectacus>those lists are available here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/
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12:22<kjo>http://paste.debian.net/107809
12:23<retrospectacus>kjo: the security source is not a complete source; you probably still won't get debconf-utils.
12:23<retrospectacus>!sources.list
12:23<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
12:24<kjo>retrospectacus, dpkg: thx, will get to work
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12:31<kjo>ok, the incomplete sources.list was the problem; i still don't understand (and at this point probably never will) why i did not have this same problem with the first installation of this system, since can't think of any difference in the way i answered the installer's questions... whatever... thx again
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12:32<retrospectacus>the installer does prompt you to add a network mirror
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12:33<kjo>yeah, i must have replied the wrong thing to that one the second time
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12:33<retrospectacus>kjo: enjoy :)
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12:36<kjo>thanks & bye
12:36<kjo>\leave
12:36<kjo>\LEAVE
12:36<kjo>???
12:36<jimpop>kjo: /part
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12:39<LtL>kjo: /part #debian
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12:41<retrospectacus>or just hit the X
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12:55<dougdiez>hi !
12:56<retrospectacus>welcome back mr.
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12:56<dougdiez>hahaha
12:56<dougdiez>i'm here for new adventures
12:57<retrospectacus>what ya trying to do today
12:57<dougdiez>why in some installations, like Quassel (which i'm trying to install now), i get this: http://paste.debian.net/107812/
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12:58<retrospectacus>dougdiez: that package is (most efficiently) available on your installation disk. Insert it to proceed.
12:59<retrospectacus>dougdiez: if you don't like that, remove the CDROM line from your sources.list and update
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13:00<retrospectacus>dougdiez: also if you are running Jessie (testing) you should use the #debian-next channel. This channel is for stable support.
13:01<ryan93838>good morning #debian!
13:01<ryan93838>=)
13:02<dougdiez>now its working ! ty retrospectacus
13:02<retrospectacus>hi ryan
13:02<dougdiez>oh, i didn't notice that =/
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13:21<shiro>hello
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13:25<musca>hello shiro!
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13:28<sleser>can i get help installing cdemu im having troubles
13:28<sleser>it isnt hapening for me
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13:30<retrospectacus>sleser: it's not in Debian so no, probably not.
13:30<sleser>well whats in debian similar to it
13:30<retrospectacus>sleser: mount -o loop not working for ya?
13:30<sleser>mount o works
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13:31<sleser>all it does just mounts but how to change mount . volume name or label cd
13:31<sleser>instalation cant find the cd.
13:31<retrospectacus>installation of what, exactly?
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13:32<sleser>reason
13:32<retrospectacus>the uh, audio mixing thingy for windows?
13:32<sleser>yeh
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13:32<retrospectacus>using Wine?
13:32<sleser>yeh
13:33<retrospectacus>use winecfg to create a cdrom device for wine
13:33<retrospectacus>it's been a while since I thought windows programs were necessary, but I think that is how to do it
13:33<sleser>i tryed it isnt doing it . and wine site blogs say cd emu works
13:33<sleser>emuing dvd disk to regular cd
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13:43<retrospectacus>sleser: last I tried, cdemu was annoying but it worked. You have to load a kernel module and run a daemon as root, and run a command as user to "insert" the cd
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13:44<sleser>is it safe to ? as in terms as root like u mentioned ?
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13:45<retrospectacus>guaranteed safe or your money back.
13:45<sleser>how to do it ?
13:46<retrospectacus>As I said ^^ - I don't remember any further details. Surely there are directions online
13:46<sleser>there sure directions when im trying to install it terminal gives me errors
13:47<retrospectacus>!errors
13:47<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
13:47<sleser>ok let me try again ill paste bin you error
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13:50<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/107821/
13:51<retrospectacus>what instructions are you following?
13:51<sleser>http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=99752
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13:53<retrospectacus>sleser: you forgot ".." at the end of the cmake command
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13:53<retrospectacus>sleser: if you get the same error, install kdelibs5-dev and try again
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13:55<sleser>cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix`" like this ?
13:55<retrospectacus>no
13:56<retrospectacus>"cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` .." like it says
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13:57<sleser>"cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` .." no sutch file or directory
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13:58<retrospectacus>sleser: ... did you do "mkdir build && cd build" ??
13:59<sleser>yeh
13:59<sleser>i have to be in build ?
13:59<retrospectacus>looks like no, as you are not in .../build
13:59<retrospectacus>you would be, yes, if you'd ran "mkdir build && cd build"
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14:00<retrospectacus>ofc if you did that before, mkdir will fail this time and cd won't run
14:00<retrospectacus>cd build anyways
14:00<sleser>lemy try again
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14:02<sleser>no sutch file or directory
14:03<retrospectacus>pastebin it
14:04<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/107825/
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14:05<retrospectacus>sleser: get rid of those "quotes" around the whole thing....
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14:06<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/107827/
14:06<magyar>hi is there a way to tell what kind of live stream I receive flash/html5 etc?
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14:07<retrospectacus>sleser: great. Now install kdelibs5-dev and try again (as I said earlier)
14:07<retrospectacus>magyar: generally right-clicking on the video will give different menus for each
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14:09<SamB>hmm, is there an easy way to keep track of why I have specific packages installed, say using metapackages to mark such reasons
14:09<flambait>magyar: you can try quvi to query urls
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14:09<magyar>retrospectacus: when I go to youtube I can right click and it show flash information to enable disable settings for acceleration, sound, mic etc , but on this particular streaming live news page when I right click on the playback nothing happens
14:10<magyar>it seem to use cpu for playback as my plugin container is at 120%
14:10<retrospectacus>magyar: well, perhaps "view source" will give an indication. You could also disable flash and see if it still works
14:10<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/107830/
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14:11<retrospectacus>sleser: perfect. Proceed to "make"
14:11<SamB>I guess maybe I should ask that question in -devel or -mentors?
14:12<magyar>retrospectacus: could it be some sort of a java iframe palyer?
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14:13<retrospectacus>magyar: it could
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14:13<retrospectacus>only the website creator knows for sure, who knows what silly tricks they get up to these days
14:14<retrospectacus>trying to prevent you from "ripping" it, no doubt
14:15<magyar>retrospectacus: bright, kills the cpu no doubt
14:15<sleser>retrospectacus it installed but when opening file after install . pupop says unable to cnnect to the cdemu daemon
14:15<sleser>broken app ?
14:16<sleser>do need to reboot after install ?
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14:17<retrospectacus>sleser: As I said long ago, you must run the daemon as root. No idea about the KDE-integrated version. Restarting KDE or rebooting might do it.
14:17<sleser>lemy try brb
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14:22<sleser>didnt work
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14:23<sleser>retrospectacus i sudo make install it is that ok ? or only root must ?
14:24<retrospectacus>sudo should work.
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14:25<sleser>would a debian kde know ? As I said long ago, you must run the daemon as root. No idea about the KDE-integrated version. Restarting KDE or rebooting might do it.
14:25<retrospectacus>sleser: kde has very little to do with this
14:26<sleser>is t here a way to start this deamon for few seconds just so i can mount the iso
14:26<retrospectacus>sleser: can you try "sudo cdemud -d"
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14:26<retrospectacus>the daemon needs to be always running if you are to mount/use the mounted CD
14:26<jmcnaught>sleser: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=99752 doesn't look like cdemu, but a KDE cdemu manager or front end
14:27<retrospectacus>sleser: yes, this KDE thing is only a cdemu *client* - you must install the daemon additionally, if you have not yet.
14:27<sleser>i havent
14:27<sleser>from where ?
14:27<jmcnaught>sleser: also every time you run "make install" for something, it sprays files across your system in a way that "apt-get" cannot remove, and sometimes even conflicts with files owned by debian packages
14:27<retrospectacus>sleser: cdemu on sourceforge or wherever it is
14:28<sleser>yes but i still need to use linux and not get bored with it rite ? jm
14:28<jmcnaught>sleser: sleser if you're just trying to mount a CD image, https://wiki.debian.org/DiskImage has some generic info about that
14:29<sleser>mounting it mounts . i need to emulate a cd in to dvd
14:29<sleser>make it look like dvd
14:29<jmcnaught>sleser: why?
14:29<retrospectacus>he's been though all that yesterday
14:29<sleser>because thats how this audio tool works i guess
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14:29<retrospectacus>his Reason installer (in Wine) won't work on a loop-mounted disk
14:30<jmcnaught>ahhh... i get it now. I thought that wine had some built-in optical drive emulation. maybe i'm wrong
14:30<sleser>it has cd hd network. not dvd
14:30<retrospectacus>it does, but he says it doesn't work (and ISTR having the same problem for Rollercoaster Tycoon back in the day and cdemu solved it)
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14:32<sleser>so i should download cdemu daemon ?
14:32<jmcnaught>sleser: and setting a drive letter to "cd" in wine config doesn't work? It's most like Reason's anti-piracy mechanism not liking the emulated drive.
14:33<sleser>soundforge has . few things in t heir site like. vhba module libmirage cdemu daemon cdemu client gcdemu and image analyzer
14:33<jmcnaught>sleser: have you checked http://appdb.winehq.org/ to see if anyone has notes or workarounds for your app?
14:33<sleser>there is notes 2 good notes one best note
14:33<retrospectacus>sleser: you need the module, the libmirage, and the daemon.
14:33<sleser>one is to create a dumy cdrom another is cdemu
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14:38<tez>testing i-hope-this-works
14:38<sleser>retrospectacus i downloaded all 3 that you mentioned . does it make diference whitch to start install first ?
14:39<retrospectacus>I would do them in the order I said
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14:42<jmcnaught>sleser: have you tried using a cd emulator inside wine itself? like alcohol or whatever it's called?
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14:46<sleser>retrospectacus do you mind if i pastebin you the install outputes ?
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14:46<retrospectacus>if you want to, no problem
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14:47<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/107832/ , im not sure if this install went well and aplyed good
14:47<sleser>and if i should go to the next file
14:48<sleser>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-4-686-pae'
14:48<sleser>forgot to paste that one last line in there
14:48<sleser>i already have module-ini-tools installed is what apper shows me
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14:49<retrospectacus>it's OK I guess
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14:50<retrospectacus>you should always read README and INSTALL files
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14:52<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/107833/
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14:56<retrospectacus>blech
14:56<sleser>confusing ?
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14:57<retrospectacus>annoying
14:57<sleser>couldnt they pute everything in to one file and make it a deb file
14:57<retrospectacus>see, if you use debian packages, all those libraries are installed automatically. The way you're doing it, you get all these errors and have to figure out what you're missing and install it manually
14:57<retrospectacus>you'd think so
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14:58<sleser>i cant find cdemu in deb pakages
14:58<sleser>the all thing all in one. auto install and everything
14:59<retrospectacus>no, it is not in debian
14:59<retrospectacus>if it were, you'd be up and running hours ago
14:59<sleser>its nowhere.
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15:03<sleser>i should give up on this ?
15:03<sleser>and like try make it a dumy cdrom
15:04<retrospectacus>sleser: basically you have to use "apt-cache search" to find all your missing libraries (gobject-introspection, gtk-doc, sndfile, samplerate, etc. etc) deduce which packages are appropriate, install them and try again.
15:05<retrospectacus>and it very well still may be impossible
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15:08<sleser>i see
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15:19<sleser>retrospectacus do you mind reading one of the blogs on how to do it . another way . and tell me if that will work ? or not
15:19<sleser>i can pastebin it
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15:21<jmcnaught>sleser: compiling stuff from source and installing it manually is probably something that shouldn't be done without understanding what you're doing. I would look for another work-around, like using a DVD emulator within wine, or extracting the files so an emulator isn't necessary. Or even try one of the free music creation tools available already in Debian
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15:23<sleser>you mean like use something like deamond tools for windows with wine ?
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15:23<sleser>so many windows tools that makes the cpu run like a turtle
15:24<jmcnaught>sleser: it's worth a shot, and less likely to mess up your system than installing stuff from source manually.
15:24<sleser>lemy try your advice
15:24<sleser>brb
15:25<jmcnaught>sleser: also maybe try ardour, or rosegarden?
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15:29<sleser>arc dosnt extract iso files ?
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15:38<bariho>is there a (good) gui for cryptsetup and/or lvm (pvcreate, vgcreate, lvcreate) in the repositories?
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15:43<sininen>perhaps system-config-lvm
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15:44<bariho>I'll take a look, thanks
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16:01<niklaas>hi, maybe someone can help me: I am running testing on my notebook and am using XFCE as DE. I would like to use caps lock as escape. found out how to do this with xmodmap. but everytime i change the keyboard layout (using 3 languages) i am back to the "normal" layout
16:01<niklaas>is there a way to prevent this?
16:03<sininen>i'm not sure but XFCE but in the keyboard settings on KDE and Mate there's 'extra options' or something which has an option to map escape as an extra caps lock, so look in your keyboard settings in XFCE
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16:03<sininen>not sure about XFCE*
16:04<sininen>in the same window where keys for switching between layouts are set
16:05<niklaas>sininen, thanks for your advice. unfortunately, there isn't a option for doing this in xfce as far as i can see
16:07<sininen>that sucks, it's a very useful setting. i don't know other than to search from google, i see some suggestions there
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16:09<niklaas>yeah i have been already searching for quite a while. setting up the switch with xkb is quite easy. but when i use the panel app for changing the layout it restores the "default" layout for each language everytime. but also switching the layout with setxkbmap resets to the default layouts
16:11<niklaas>i dont need a gui for switching the layout. would be also fine with a shortcut running a script. but i was thinking that there are maybe several "levels" for changing the layout. so, not changing the "letter" or "funtion" a key is associated with but rather really switching the /keys/ (not physically of course :) ). u know what i mean?
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16:13<niklaas>i tried to understand this for example http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12510/relationship-of-keyboard-layout-and-xmodmap cause it somehow refers to several levels but at some point i get lost understanding the text
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16:17<sininen>yeah, i don't know much about it. i just see from the results xmodmap http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/66775/how-to-permanently-swap-esc-and-caps-lock-in-xfce-xubuntu , XkbOptions http://serverfault.com/questions/10437/how-do-you-swap-the-caps-lock-to-control-in-xfce
16:18<sininen>as last resort you could try Mate, it's based on Gnome 2 and thus similar to XFCE
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16:21<niklaas>thanks for the advice; but i got to be a xfce lover... :) i will try looking for another solution tomorrow. neverthelesse, thanks for your help and all the best
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16:36<pkug>What can you recommend as a decent openstreetmaps offline viewer for Debian ? preferrably with some minimal editing support or at least ability to mark custom notes/tags/routes on the map offline.. i've tried JOSM but it's terribly slow at parsing bigger files (eg: trying to open ~200MB .osm)..
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16:36<sleser>it worked
16:37<sleser>the dumy cd solution. solved the problem
16:38<retrospectacus>sleser: what is "the dumy cd solution" exactly?
16:39<sleser>reason.txt inside reason.iso mount this in to cdrom1 . then mount the iso from hd to cdrom1 also both in to cdrom1 . then
16:39<sleser>makes it look like a cd is there
16:39<sleser>txt burnt on to cdrom disk
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16:41<retrospectacus>sleser: I don't follow. what commands did you run
16:41<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/107845/
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16:44<retrospectacus>ah, that is sneaky... but a waste of a DVD. Couldn't you just burn the actual Reason.iso?
16:44<sleser>regular cd
16:44<retrospectacus>oh, k
16:44<sleser>i dont have a dvd burner . the iso is 2 gig
16:45<retrospectacus>very nice then :)
16:45<sleser>all this wasnt nesesery if debian picked -o loop with cd name . it picks it up as a 2 gig hard drive is what it shows on dolphin doing -o loop mounting
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16:47<one>Hi
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16:47<one>How to install Qt?
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16:48<one>!qt
16:48<dpkg>Qt is a cross-platform application framework developed by Digia. http://qt.digia.com/ #qt on irc.freenode.net.
16:48<one>How to install Qt?
16:48<Stummi>one, what exactly do you want to install? qt libraries? qt development framework?
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16:49<one> qt development framework
16:49<Stummi>aptitude install libqt4-dev
16:49<SynrGy>one: qt5 or qt4?
16:50<one>qt5 please
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16:51<SynrGy>one: not supported on debian wheezy (7.5)
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16:51<one>realy?
16:51<SynrGy>for qt4, install qt4-dev-tools for a complete set of tools.
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16:51<SynrGy>,v qt4-dev-tools
16:51<judd>Package: qt4-dev-tools on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11; jessie: 4:4.8.6+dfsg-2; sid: 4:4.8.6+dfsg-2
16:52<SynrGy>,v qt5-dev-tools
16:52<judd>No package named 'qt5-dev-tools' was found in i386.
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16:52<one>Hmm
16:52<dougdiez>dummie question: it's worth to install nVidia Proprietary Driver ?
16:52<one>so how install qt4
16:52<SynrGy>jessie doesn't even have qt5 yet
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16:53<SynrGy>one: i just said above. and Stummi did as well. libqt4-dev is the subset of libraries needed to build qt4 packages, which qt4-dev-tools is the whole development environment.
16:53<SynrGy>one: take a look at the package descriptions of both and see which one you really need.
16:54<one>I mean qt creator and ..
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16:55<SynrGy>oh, probably i'm wrong about jessie and qt5.
16:55<SynrGy>just some package name changes there.
16:56<one>qt4
16:56<one>not qt5
16:56<one>understand?
16:56<SynrGy>yes, i do. just correcting my earlier error.
16:57<SynrGy>did you look at the qt4-dev-tools package description?
16:57<one>no
16:58<SynrGy>apt-cache show qt4-dev-tools
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16:58<SynrGy>one: you are expected to do *some* work to help yourself when we help you here.
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16:59<one>How to install pydev in eclipse
17:00<one>?
17:00<SynrGy>no idea.
17:00<one>why?
17:00<SynrGy>because i'm not all-knowing.
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17:01<SynrGy>i am not an eclipse user. there does not seem to be any eclipse python component provided as a debian package ...
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17:01<SynrGy>possibly there is some eclipse-specific way to install that? if so, it would be no different for debian than other systems. just read eclipse's doc.
17:02<oldlaptop>[16:52:35] <dougdiez> dummie question: it's worth to install nVidia Proprietary Driver ?
17:02<oldlaptop>only if something isn't working to your satisfaction
17:02<Stummi>one, have you tried the eclipse marketplace?
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17:03<one>no
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17:04<one>How install pydev in eclipse?
17:04<dougdiez>oldlaptop: I'm thinking in install Dota2, but i barely play games... that's why i'm wondering in install or not
17:04<oldlaptop>Try it first and see
17:05<retrospectacus>one: try asking #eclipse on irc.freenode.net
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18:04<chrishell>hello out there, I have as $SCREEN-variable only a :0 instead of :0.0
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18:05<chrishell>is that a problem?
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18:05<chrishell>at least wine-processes don't start
18:06<dualbus>mutt
18:06<dualbus>hm, sorry.
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18:22<valdyn>chrishell: its $DISPLAY, not $SCREEN
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18:41<max64>Ciao
18:42<retrospectacus>hola
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21:32<charlie_>Hi, I'm looking for some help. Grub hangs at boot.
21:33<charlie_>I chrooted into debian, and did 'update-grub', but got an error that it cant find a device for /
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21:38<sney>charlie_: did you mount e.g. /dev?
21:39<charlie_>not yet. i was just reading about it but i'm confused about where to mount what
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21:39<ncl_>/proc and /dev should be mounted in the chroot, /sys is probably optional
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21:41<sney>!tell charlie_ about fixmbr
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21:43<charlie_>so if my new chroot directory is /home/user/New, i would do "mount -o bind /dev /home/user/New/dev" ?
21:43<sney>correct
21:44<jest>im running deb7 w/ gnome. when I run bleachbit the screen will blank out for a second before finally finishing the process. anyone know what could be causing this error?
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21:45<sleser>im using a ksystemlog tool to read logs with , and when i use it it asks only for root pw is t hat normal ?
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21:47<Brigo>sleser, it depends of your permisions configuration
21:47<sleser>i never configured anything to it i just installed it
21:47<sleser>from pakages
21:48<Brigo>sleser, so it should be the normal behaviour.
21:49<sleser>just making sure
21:49<Brigo>add you user to the adm group, and logou & login again
21:50<sleser>ok
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21:55<charlie_>ok, i did update-grub, but it still hangs at 'welcome to grub'
21:56<charlie_>what happened was that i tried to add a partition from free space. then this happened at reboot.
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21:56<charlie_>so i deleted that partition but it didnt solve the problem
21:57<charlie_>and neither does updating grub. any suggestions?
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22:04<cesurasean>hey guys. my install goes smoothly, except when computer reboots, i just get a blinking cursor. any ideas?
22:05<sney>remove the usb drive you used to install
22:05<cesurasean>i did. same thing.
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22:07<sney>fire up the installer in rescue mode, install the bootloader again, and select "yes" when it asks if you want to install it to the mbr
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22:10<abrotman>or he installed X and has some card that it can't cope with ?
22:10<cesurasean>I only installed the base system.
22:10<cesurasean>it doesn't even get to grub yet.
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22:12<sleser>how do i set in kde so if i click a brouser link on xchat it should open with iceweasel
22:12<sleser>or anywhere els. bsides xchat always iceweasel
22:13<cesurasean>grub-install /dev/sda is what i chose.
22:13<cesurasean>and im running a software raid /dev/md0
22:13<cesurasean>is that correct?
22:13<oldlaptop>sleser: 'application associations' somewhere in systemsettings
22:13<oldlaptop>the tree view at least has a search box
22:13<cesurasean>still the same problem. blinking cursor.
22:14<oldlaptop>sleser: no, scratch that, wrong name
22:14<oldlaptop>Default Applications
22:15<oldlaptop>if I recall correctly xchat honors that (been a while since I used xchat)
22:15<sleser>it worked thanks
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22:19<cesurasean>any idea why my grub now mentions a windows 7?
22:19<cesurasean>on a fresh install?
22:20<oldlaptop>is there a recovery partition or some such thing on the disk?
22:20<cesurasean>no.
22:20<cesurasean>there must be leftover mbr on the 2nd drive, i assume.
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22:20<oldlaptop>perhaps
22:21<oldlaptop>you can use 'e' to see what the menu entry is actually doing
22:21<oldlaptop>(IIRC? or was it an F key? It tells you anyhow)
22:21<cesurasean>it wont let me press e.
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22:22<oldlaptop>it tells you somewhere on the screen which key to press to edit the menu entry
22:22<cesurasean>which is e, which it won't let me press.
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22:24<oldlaptop>ah.
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22:27<cesurasean>linux and windows were fighting over that disk for some odd reason.
22:27<cesurasean>Windows seems to have been more powerful.
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22:43<rryoumaa>i want to turn my debian box into an inexpensive, consumer-grade telephone answering machine. my requirements are modest. is this feasible?
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22:57<cesurasean>anyone have any idea if an hp compaq dc7600 can run debian without any problems?
22:57<cesurasean>it seems to be awfully slow with 2 gigs of ram!
22:57<cesurasean>Ubuntu will hardly work it's so slow on it.
22:57<cesurasean>is that just due to hardware constraints?
22:58<oldlaptop>cesurasean: probably a combination of hardware constraints and Ubuntu being a bloated mess
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22:59<oldlaptop>Debian will work fine (although perhaps GNOME3 will not work very well)
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23:01<oldlaptop>I am typing this on a system which is only slightly beefier, running Debian and KDE4
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23:01<oldlaptop>(2GB of RAM, but a newer/more powerful CPU)
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23:02<oldlaptop>KDE4 would work fine on that system too though (and of course xfce or lxde would *fly*)
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23:08<oldlaptop>in fact... it's probably the GPU that is causing issues with Unity (ubuntu's default desktop environment these days)
23:08<oldlaptop>that would also affect GNOME3, AIUI
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23:19<cesurasean>anyone know much about ncomputing vspace?
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23:36<md_5>urgh, debian has circular depends, libc6 -> libgcc1 -> libc6
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23:53<kingsley>md_5: Is that a problem?
23:53<md_5>just a minor annoyance :p
23:54<md_5>(working on a debootstrap type thing)
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