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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-07-04

---Logopened Fri Jul 04 00:00:36 2014
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00:58<wenceslaus>so I've got a drive in an external usb hard drive bay that I cannot seem to get any data off of the thing will swap from /dev/sdc to /dev/sdd and back sporadically
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00:58<wenceslaus>I've tried using a utility called hd-idle to keep it spun up but to no avail
00:58<wenceslaus>Does anyone have any insight on this?
00:59<jm_>it's probably busted but you could try removing it from the case and use it internally
01:00<wenceslaus>That's what I was doing originally, and I could always switch back, but then I have a $50 black paperweight
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01:01<jm_>and it works if you connect it internally?
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01:05<wenceslaus>yes, I was able to use it internally, currently testing another drive
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01:06<wenceslaus>now that I think about it, this drive was from an old laptop that was giving me weird problems like this, it's probably just the drive
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01:08<jm_>so a 2.5" drive? does it get enough power over usb?
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01:44<sleser>things like simple. google takes a little long to load it wasnt like this b4 , any advice ?
01:44<sleser>iceweasel
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01:45<sleser>and i have my history save off
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01:47<jm_>is it also slow if you create a new user and test there?
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01:47<sleser>like log in to a new user after reboot ?
01:47<sleser>i havent tryed
01:47<sleser>i have few java viruses
01:47<jm_>you don't have to reboot
01:47<sleser>not sure if its virus or not its what clam shows
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01:48<sleser>we can try
01:48<sleser>adduser name ?
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01:49<sleser>then go to site again ?
01:50<jm_>you need to run iceweasel as that user
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01:52<sleser>can win32 viruses do something to linux if linux has wine installed ?
01:52<sleser>like some damige or what ever viruses do or malware or others
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02:06<HB33>Instead of using xchat or hexchat to connect to the irc channels here, someone sent me a link of a website to use instead. That allowed me to access the irc channels with Tor. I did not bookmark it though. Does anyone use Tor to connect here, if so what website do you use? Any help appreciated
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02:45<HB33>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xdSL3IvmWo
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02:47<senpai>hello
02:50<senpai>hey
02:53<devil_>senpai: if you have a question, just ask
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02:57<babilen>HB33: You are almost certainly looking for a different channel to post your youtube links.
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02:58<helmut_>hi
03:00<HB33>Sorry, I am signed into several rooms and pasted to the wrong one
03:00<senpai>Hello... there are actually people here...
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03:01<babilen>senpai: Yes, there are. Do you have a problem you need help with?
03:01<devil_>senpai: it is in the middle of the night in big parts of the world. just europe has risen its sleepy head
03:01<babilen>And who cares about Asia and Oceania?
03:02<devil_>right,where are they anyways?
03:02<senpai>I'm so new here. I'm like a newborn baby.
03:02<senpai>I don't know if I necessarily have any questions.
03:03<devil_>senpai: so sit tight, watch in awe and learn, young padawan
03:03<senpai>/nods
03:04<babilen>senpai: That's okay. But please note that this is a technical support channel for Debian. You are welcome to join #debian-offtopic (/join #debain-offtopic) if you simply want to chat. Welcome to IRC. :)
03:05<devil_>babilen: how can you be so formal at this time of the day? ;)
03:06<senpai>What is debian?
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03:06<SamB>senpai: if you don't know, why are you here?
03:06<babilen>senpai: It is a Linux distribution: https://www.debian.org/ -- But how come you joined #debian if you don't even know what it is?
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03:08<d-fence>Hello, I'm using a debian Jessie/sid. In XFCE the buttons to shutdown or restart are disabled. In Gnome3, the shutdown and restart are useless. I cannot find a bug report mentioning that. Some other users around me are reporting the same problem. Any one has a clue about that ?
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03:08<babilen>d-fence: Please join #debian-next for testing support and I can happily walk you through it.
03:09<d-fence>babilen: ok, thanks.
03:09<jm_>d-fence: also http://www.corsac.net/?rub=blog&post=1566
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03:13<d-fence>ok. I read that thnaks.
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03:16<phillipsjk>I am trying to install Debian on the Yeelong. At the mirror selection step I get the following errors on the 4th virtual console:
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03:19<phillipsjk>anna[1935]: WARNING **: bad d-i Packages file; net-retriever: gpgv:; net-retriever: md_enable: algorithm 8 not available
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03:20<babilen>That's a warning, not an error.
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03:22<phillipsjk>net-retriever: gpgv:; net-retriever: Signature made Fri Jul 4 03:01:23 2014 UTC using RSA key ID 369255553; "Can't check signature: unknown digest algorithm"; "error: Bad signature on /tmp/net-retriever-2288-Release."
03:23<phillipsjk>the https://wiki.debian.org/DebianYeeloong/HowTo/Install links to daily builds for some reason.
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03:25<minz>Yo
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03:32<phillipsjk>I tried installing OpenBSD earlier tonight: it would freeze up due to a disk time-out after about a minute (time dependent). I assume this is not related because I was not asked to partition the disk yet.
03:33<Apollo>This is not the openbsd support channel
03:34<phillipsjk>yes, I decided to try to install Debian instead.
03:35<phillipsjk>looks like the install script may be broken though.
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03:38<phillipsjk>The Lemote Yeeloong is probably a POC, which does not help (never sure if quirkiness is due to hardware or software).
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03:39<SamB>phillipsjk: POC?
03:40<phillipsjk>!POC
03:40<dpkg>rumour has it, poc is plain old c. Piece of Crap
03:40<babilen>proof of concept
03:40<babilen>(most common meaning, here probably piece of crap)
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03:43<ncl>I've heard complaints about crappy parts for the yeeloong
03:43<ncl>and besides that, really slow, really tiny battery life
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03:44<phillipsjk>I suspect the slowness may be due to lack of 2D acceleration (hardware supports it..)
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03:47<phillipsjk>ohh, dpkg told me about #debian-yeeloong
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04:15<nicholas>i was looking for debile packages and it seems there aren't any. what's the latest/greatest way for me to set up a system rebuilding debian packages from source?
04:15<nicholas>in bulk
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04:19<Aaron_>hi
04:19<Aaron_>i have a question how come my wlan0 interface is not showing up
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04:21<devil_>nicholas: tanglu makes use of debile, maybe talk to them
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04:22<devil_>nicholas: or ask paultag when he is online here
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04:22<nicholas>thanks. can you give me any idea what timezone i should expect to find paultag in?
04:25<devil_>nicholas: he is in the US, dunno where. to talk to #tanglu-dev, you should try in ~ 10 hours
04:25<nicholas>ok. i'll wait and come back then. thanks again!
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04:28<babilen>(and I wouldn't necessarily expect to find paultag here)
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04:29<willemb>Hi. I am gaving problems installing debian on a dell poweredge r710. after installation, the bootloader cannot find the disks
04:29<willemb>did I need a special driver for the raid controller or something?
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04:37<grove>What controls whether `apt-get update` tries to download a Translation-<language> file?
04:38<jm_>Acquire::Languages setting AFAIK
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04:53<grove>Can I tell apt-get not to try downloading any Translation-<language> files from a repository (that is broken in that way)
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04:55<jm_>grep Langu /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99zz
04:55<jm_>Acquire::Languages "none";
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05:02<grove>jm_: That would (probably, haven't tried) do it, but for ALL repositories, not just the broken one
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05:06<jm_>grove: if you want per-repository options then I don't know if that's doable
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07:07<kjo>i figure that the ordering of directives in a preseed.cfg file matters (right?) if so, is there a comprehensive listing of the "standard" ordering for these directives? (the example preseed.cfg file at https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt lists only a few of them)
07:08<jm_>kjo: why do you think ordering matters as long as you don't specify the same thing multiple times?
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07:10<kjo>jm_: because somewhere i read that, in some cases, one must mention the same directive twice, with the second one having "seen false" at the end... order clearly matters at least in this case
07:12<jm_>kjo: if that's true then yes
07:12<jm_>maybe #debian-boot knows
07:13<kjo>jm_: fwiw, the business about "seen false" is in the man page for debconf-set-selections
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07:13<kjo>jm_: thx for the pointer to #debian-boot
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07:15<jm_>kjo: ahh that's seen flag, that's different AFAIK
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07:16<kjo>jm_: ok, i'll see if i can get more info @ #debian-boot -- thx
07:17<jm_>kjo: seen flag determines if debconf will ask the same question again or somesuch
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07:21<kjo>jm_: yeah, i know; my point is that the case with seen suggests at least the possibility that the ordering may matter in other cases too...
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07:23<jm_>kjo: I don't think so, these are setting different flags (select vs seen), there's no seen flag mentioned in preseed example
07:23<jm_>but get this confirmed by someone who knows more details
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07:24<kjo>jm_: i posted the question in #debian-boot -- we'll see
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07:56<Q_PRS>Guys (and girls), I think I need some help. In my system I have 3 disk, 1x SSD, 2 x 160GB SATA. I thought I configured the 2 SATA disks during installation as a software raid 1, as the location of the home directory. It seems that at this moment, the home directory is on the SSD and the raid disks are not active or mounted. The data on the raid disks are not relevant and may be deleted. Could you please help me configure the disks correctly and configure it
07:56<Q_PRS>as the home location? If not, could you please point me in the right direction? Thank you in advance :-)
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07:56<jm_>you simply partition, mkfs and mount it
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08:00<Q_PRS>I dont get it, how can I find out what the current configuration is?
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08:01<Q_PRS>cfdisk
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08:03<jm_>cat /proc/partitions or fdisk
08:03<jm_>fdisk -l
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08:07<jm_>Q_PRS: but yes, so you already have md0, try mounting it then
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08:10<Q_PRS>Mounting does not work:
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08:10<Q_PRS>root@DEBIAN-BAK:/home/sander# mount /dev/md0 /mnt/RAID-DISK
08:10<Q_PRS>mount: block device /dev/md0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
08:10<Q_PRS>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
08:12<jm_>hmm why would it be write protected, perhaps check what kernel thinks of it and also its status, but I won't be able to help any longer today, sorry, have to handle some hardware work now
08:13<Q_PRS>ok, thanks for the help mate
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08:26<nader>hello
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09:19<shirotwo>if i install debian together with windows, is it posible to remove it without any traces? i mean, remove grub and give windows back all the disk space
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09:20<devil>shirotwo: removing is not the problem, disk space will have to be regained manualy
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09:21<zathras>shirotwo, if you consider remving debian even before installing it, why not use a live CD first
09:21<shirotwo>thats a good idea
09:21<zathras>but remember that it will be slow as the device is slow compared to a disk!
09:22<shirotwo>i only have the netinstall cd and did not consider downloading the other cd, lol
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09:22<zathras>also: you can remove debian while still keeping grub
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09:22<zathras>the boot delay for windows will be minimal
09:23<shirotwo>but, if i did install debian, and wanted to give all the disk space back to windows, will gparted do the trick ?
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09:24<zathras>"disk space back" : it depends how you define this. You can delete partition or reformat them to NTFS etc. resizing partitiions and filingsystems is a bit more complicated though
09:24<zathras>but that has nothing to do with Debian itself
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09:25<zathras>it might be worth reading up on the subject and ask specific questions if required
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09:26<shirotwo>alright, thanks a lot
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09:39<Q_PRS>Guys, anybody knows how to install the virtualbox extension pack? I upgraded VBox to the latest version but I cant seem to install the extension pack.
09:39<Q_PRS>Version VBox: 4.3.12
09:39<Q_PRS>Extension pack: virtualbox-4.3_4.3.12-93733~Debian~wheezy_amd64
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09:43<Q_PRS>never mind, i see the problem...
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09:44<Aaron_>hi
09:44<Aaron_>can someone help me with my wify?
09:44<Q_PRS>perhaps, what's wrong?
09:44<Aaron_>i don't see it working
09:45<Q_PRS>you do have internet working...
09:45<Aaron_>i see in gnome3 that it says wifi unmanaged
09:45<Aaron_>yes but only via ethernet
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09:50<zathras>Aaron_, check howto's/docs
09:51<zathras>gnome does not give you details
09:51<zathras>logs and iw commands do
09:51<Aaron_>zathras, i try
09:51<Aaron_> Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188EE Wireless Network Adapter
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09:51<Aaron_>wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 24:fd:52:a0:02:2a
09:51<Aaron_> UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
09:51<zathras>Aaron_, please use a pastebin, also this is not helpful
09:53<zathras>questions can be: how do I .... Or I tried such and such, but... Or .... In the logs I see, but... NOT: can someone do something for me for free
09:54<zathras>You have to try yourself and must be willing to learn.
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09:57<zathras>Aaron_, I did not want to be rude, but you get more change on getting help if you have specific questions and show that you made an effort yourself
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09:58<somiaj>I have also answered Aaron_ on freenode, do not cross post. And if he wants network manager to manage is wlan0 device he needs to remove it from his interfaces file
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10:15<nadersith>hello
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10:17<fr33domlover>Hello. In order to have my own mail server, does receiving mail from other servers require that I have a signed SSL cert? What happens if it's self-signed? Is server-to-server comm encrypted?
10:17<fr33domlover>hmmm better ask on offtopic
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10:19<somiaj>I think the issue with self-signed is some places won't accept it since it isn't from a sa authority, but if that is an issue will probabaly depend on what you end up using
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10:19<somiaj>the encryption should still be working
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10:32<fr33domlover>somiaj, thanks
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10:33<fr33domlover>I'll be using my own CA, which people can add manually or use Moneysphere
10:33<fr33domlover>of course gmail hotmail etc. won't
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10:34<somiaj>yea certina places just won't honor them, if that isn't an issue I belive you are fin
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10:54<fr33domlover>somiaj, as long as there is encryption, no problem. I won't be surprised if gmail/hotmail don't even bother to warn the user about it
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10:56<sofiane>salut
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11:01<me>OK, I have iceweasel 30.0 and 'flashplugin-nonfree' package installed. Still can't play on soundcloud. What am I missing?
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11:02<duglas>what is the recommended way to set up wireless networking, on an older laptop? No Gnome, Kde, or Xfce4, just Openbox
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11:05<zathras>duglas, check iwconfig/iwspy etc
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11:07<duglas>zathras, tks
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11:56<Q_PRS>Guys, just a small question, but when I mounted a second hard disk (under root terminal), it seems that this disk is read-only
11:57<Q_PRS>Did I forget to set some permission and how would I fix that?
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11:58<retrospectacus>Q_PRS: it depends. What does "mount" say for the drive now?
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11:58<Q_PRS>how do you mean?
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11:59<retrospectacus>run "mount"; it shows your mounts. Copy the line of your drive in question and paste it here
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12:00*sney guesses it's a data drive meant for one user, but it's mounted under /mnt or /media and has no user/group set
12:00<Q_PRS>/dev/sdb1 on /hds/disk0 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered)
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12:01<sney>well, non-FHS mount point but
12:01<retrospectacus>Q_PRS: well, it is not read-only (says rw) - probably what sney said
12:01<sney>Q_PRS: are multiple users going to use this volume, or just you?
12:01<Q_PRS>just me
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12:02<sney>change the mount point, put it under your home directory. it'll inherit the permissions and you'll have access to it. remember to add 'exec' to the mount options if you think you'll be running any scripts etc. from there.
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12:03<Q_PRS>alright, thanks mate, I'll give it a try
12:04<retrospectacus>Q_PRS: you probably want to use fstab (man fstab) so you don't have to mount it again every day
12:04<apessoa>hello
12:05<apessoa>i'm having problems printing some pdf documents using both evince and atril (i'm using mate) on wheezy
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12:07<apessoa>the printer fails when the document has complex graphics/figures
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12:07<apessoa>it prints the pages before, but the fails with an error and stops printing the rest of the document
12:08<apessoa>i tried printing with okular and it works, so its an evince/atril (which are essentially the same, right?) problem
12:08<apessoa>any suggestions on how to diagnose this problem?
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12:18<Q_PRS>nope, mount still not working...
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12:19<retrospectacus>Q_PRS: use http://paste.debian.net to show us your fstab and "mount -a" and your attempt to write files there, or etc
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12:23<Q_PRS>fstab: http://paste.debian.net/108167/
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12:23<Q_PRS>root@DEBIAN-BAK:/# pastebinit mount
12:24<Q_PRS>Unable to read from: mount
12:24<Q_PRS>Manual copy/paste:
12:24<Q_PRS>root@DEBIAN-BAK:/# mount
12:24<Q_PRS>sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
12:24<retrospectacus>Q_PRS: no
12:24<Q_PRS>proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
12:24<Q_PRS>udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=10240k,nr_inodes=1008052,mode=755)
12:24<Q_PRS>devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000)
12:24<Q_PRS>tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,size=814376k,mode=755)
12:24<Q_PRS>/dev/disk/by-uuid/8941d994-83f6-4c9d-a8e0-6b4bc9868b05 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered)
12:24<Q_PRS>tmpfs on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=5120k)
12:24<Q_PRS>tmpfs on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=3585800k)
12:24<Q_PRS>rpc_pipefs on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw,relatime)
12:24<Q_PRS>binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
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12:24<Q_PRS>//192.168.1.26/enterprise on /mnt/barabas_enterprise type cifs (rw,relatime,sec=ntlm,unc=\\192.168.1.26\enterprise,username=administrator,uid=1000,forceuid,gid=0,noforcegid,addr=192.168.1.26,file_mode=0755,dir_mode=0755,nounix,serverino,rsize=61440,wsize=65536,actimeo=1)
12:24<babilen>*sigh*
12:24<Q_PRS>//192.168.1.26/data/ on /mnt/barabas_shared type cifs (rw,relatime,sec=ntlm,unc=\\192.168.1.26\data,username=administrator,uid=1000,forceuid,gid=0,noforcegid,addr=192.168.1.26,file_mode=0755,dir_mode=0755,nounix,serverino,rsize=61440,wsize=65536,actimeo=1)
12:24<Q_PRS>/dev/sdb1 on /home/sander/disk_mount/disk0 type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=continue,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered)
12:24<Q_PRS>You told me to use the channel?
12:24<retrospectacus>never do that
12:25<babilen>Q_PRS: You should *never* paste more than, say, two lines into any channel. Use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net or http://refheap.com
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12:25<retrospectacus>to pastebinit the output of a command, do "mount | pastebinit"
12:26<Q_PRS>ok, I think i learned a new thing today: http://paste.debian.net/108169/
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12:26<retrospectacus>you have no Desktop environment on this machine?
12:26<retrospectacus>anyways you don't have the uid for your sander user in fstab
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12:27<Q_PRS>okay... That's what you get when learning Linux with google and getting 100's of different results :-)
12:28<Q_PRS>I do have a desktop environment, Gnome classic
12:28<retrospectacus>then just run all the commands I told you and copy/paste into the site
12:28<retrospectacus>instead of using pastebinit
12:29<retrospectacus>I guess you have done that now.
12:29<retrospectacus>I thought your disk was ext4 not ext3
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12:30<Q_PRS>at first I tried to configure the disk with ext4 partition, but as that did not seem to work, i tried with a different wiki on the internet with ext3
12:31<retrospectacus>either will work just fine...
12:33<retrospectacus>did you run mkfs?
12:33<Q_PRS>mkfs.ext3 /dev/dsb1 ? Yes I did
12:34<Q_PRS>sdb1 :-)
12:34<retrospectacus>then you should have no trouble to mount and use it
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12:34<babilen>Q_PRS: Any particular reason to not use ext4?
12:35<retrospectacus>you just need to uid and gid options for your user to use it
12:35<Q_PRS>Well, it seems to be there, but I cant seem to create something on it, it seems read-only
12:35<Q_PRS>No particular reason to use ext3 instead of ext4, I'm just trying to get it to work, so I followed different guides
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12:36<retrospectacus>Q_PRS: well, if you show us what you're doing, we can try to help you.
12:36<Q_PRS>can I give remote desktop access, perhaps that would help?
12:37<retrospectacus>ah, no... bad idea
12:37<retrospectacus>just show us with the paste site
12:37<Q_PRS>cd erm, I just found something out. In the root terminal, I can create a folder.
12:37<oldlaptop>Q_PRS: how do you know we aren't evil crackers who want to steal your credit cards and microwave your cat?
12:38<Q_PRS>I dont know, but with remote desktop locked as view only, I have a chance. And I can always hold the powercord in my hand :-)
12:39<retrospectacus>I dunno, cats are pretty dumb
12:39<Q_PRS>lol
12:39<Q_PRS>ow, and I dont have credit cards, to risky
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12:39<retrospectacus>Q_PRS: probably you need to change permissions. But really, just show us.
12:40<Q_PRS>how?
12:40<Q_PRS>btw, can I force umount?
12:41<retrospectacus>run "mount", "cat /etc/fstab", "cd /home/sander/disk_mount/disk0", "ls -la", "touch foo" (all as sander) and copy and paste the whole thing to http://paste.debian.net
12:41<Q_PRS>ok
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12:45<Q_PRS>http://paste.debian.net/108175/
12:46<retrospectacus>two problems
12:46<Q_PRS>http://paste.debian.net/108176/ (forgot touch foo)
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12:46<retrospectacus>/home/sander/disk_mount/ and /home/sander/disk_mount/disk0 are owned by root
12:47<retrospectacus>and you never set the uid and gid options in fstab like we told you a few times
12:47<Q_PRS>I created them in the root terminal, is that the problem?
12:47<retrospectacus>yes; sander needs to own a folder to create files in it
12:47<retrospectacus>(usually)
12:47<Q_PRS>aha
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12:48<retrospectacus>run: chown sander:sander /home/sander/disk_mount/ /home/sander/disk_mount/disk0
12:48<Q_PRS>~s
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12:49<retrospectacus>and fix fstab
12:50<Q_PRS>fstab fixed: /dev/sdb1 /home/sander/disk_mount/disk0 ext3 uid=1000,guid=1000,rw 0 0
12:50<retrospectacus>gid, not guid
12:50<retrospectacus>or is it
12:51<Q_PRS>okay, i just did that
12:51<retrospectacus>gid is correct. Not sure if your "guid" on those cifs mounts is bad or not
12:51<Q_PRS>okay, well, it seems that did the trick!
12:52<retrospectacus>not sure the uid and gid were necessary. Perhaps ownership of the mount point is enough
12:52<Q_PRS>it all went wrong when creating the wrong maps to mount on, with the root terminal. Thank you retrospectacus!!!
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12:53<retrospectacus>no problem. Have fun!
12:53<Q_PRS>I do now :-)
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12:58<Q_PRS>btw guys, what do you use as IRC client? Empathy is to limited for me
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12:59<phillipsjk>xchat because it is shiney
12:59<Q_PRS>like that :-)
12:59<sney>xchat hasn't been updated since 2010, phillipsjk. use hexchat
12:59<retrospectacus>irssi because I never have to leave
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12:59<devil>konversation because it's even more shiny
12:59*phillipsjk hasn't been updated since 2010
13:00<sney>well I went to all the work of packaging hexchat for debian so the least you could do is contribute to my popcon graph
13:00<phillipsjk>:)
13:01<Q_PRS>great, to many choices, just what I need :-|
13:01<phillipsjk>apparently hexchat is an xchat fork.
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13:02<devil>Q_PRS: what is your DE?
13:02<phillipsjk>"The Official Windows build of XChat is Shareware, and after 30 days, a one time fee of $19.99 is required. This page will hopefully help you understand how this relates to the GPL, and why it was done."
13:02<alessandro>is it safe to use acpi=off? what happens when you use this setting?
13:02<devil>phillipsjk: there isfree versions under windows aswell
13:03<devil>alessandro: ŷou lose some options
13:03<alessandro>devil: my ethernet doesn't work if i boot on battery
13:03<devil>alessandro: ask google what acpi provides
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13:03<alessandro>running with acpi=off could fix the issue, apparently
13:04<devil>alessandro: sorry, break in soccer is over :(
13:04<alessandro>devil: thanks for your help
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13:05<Q_PRS>@devil gnome classic
13:06<devil>Q_PRS: that rules konversation out
13:06<devil>more less
13:06<sney>phillipsjk: oh yeah, that. I did purchase an xchat license for windows once upon a time.... still, development ended, a few people forked it, and hexchat is the one that's still going. we're on version 2.10.0 now. (2.9.6.1 in wheezy-backports)
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13:14<SplifStar>Hello
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13:15<devil>SplifStar: if you have a debian question, just ask
13:16<SplifStar>I have allocated 2.6g for /var its full what can I do?
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13:17<retrospectacus>delete stuff
13:17<retrospectacus>logs and apt archives come to mind
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13:19<retrospectacus>if that's not good, you could mess around with gparted live or something to claim space from somewhere else
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13:27<SamB>SplifStar: I'd suggest not using such a small /var; that's even smaller than mine and mine is already uncomfortably small!
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13:30<SplifStar>I thought 2g was quite large....what size would you suggest
13:30<retrospectacus>42 TB
13:30<SplifStar>shit
13:31<retrospectacus>or whatever you can spare; we don't know what your disks look like
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13:32<oldlaptop>5GB should be comfortable on a desktop, I would think
13:33<oldlaptop>servers are a different matter; see /var/www for instance...
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13:35<flambait>retrospectacus: are you talking about servers?
13:35<retrospectacus>yes/no/maybe. Just rambling...
13:36<flambait>mine is 430M in 7 months
13:36<flambait>...of daily desktop usage
13:38<retrospectacus>the size of /var can very incredibly for many reasons. I have 1.3G, 3.6G and 294G on three random boxes I just checked
13:38<flambait>i must say i run aptitude clean about once per month, that helps
13:39<SplifStar>i have 2.5T
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13:39<retrospectacus>s/very/vary/
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13:40<SplifStar>Never any issues until I setup clam
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13:47<devil>SplifStar: apt-get clean will delete all debs from the archives on /var
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13:53<SplifStar>sorry.......... power outage
13:54<retrospectacus>10:47 < devil> SplifStar: apt-get clean will delete all debs from the archives on /var
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13:57<james_>anyone know what might be causing me to get a command not found after I run startx? I know xorg is installed
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13:58<sney>startx is in the xinit package
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13:58<sney>and you'll probably want stuff like a window manager and X applications too
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13:59<james_>yeah I have i3 downloaded. what do you mean by X applications?
13:59<sney>things like browsers, maybe a text editor, gui stuff
13:59<sney>terminal emulator that's not as 1980 as xterm
14:00<babilen>james_: And I would *strongly* recommend to use a display manager such as gdm3 or lightdm to start your xsession. If you use startx, make sure to initialise consolekit and dbus correctly in your ~/.xsession
14:00<james_>ah. Yeah I've got rxvt-unicode, zsh, vim, etc.
14:00<james_>ok thanks babilen I'll keep that in mind
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14:19<Aaron_>hello can someone help me with my wireless i cannot seem to get it to work
14:19<Aaron_>i see the wireless device here 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188EE Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
14:19<sney>!realtek firmware
14:19<dpkg>Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de> and <rtl8192se> Linux kernel drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for specific Realtek Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide.
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14:20<Aaron_>i did install firmware-realtek
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14:21<sney>what debian version are you using? 8188ee is fairly new iirc, you may need a newer kernel
14:21<Aaron_>i'm using testing
14:22<Aaron_>3.14-1-amd64
14:22<Aaron_>kernel
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14:22<sney>testing support goes to #debian-next as the topic says. that sounds like it should be working. can you see available networks if you 'iwlist wlan0 scan'
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14:23<Aaron_>sney, it does scan,
14:23<SplifStar>thanks issue gone...for now
14:23<muter00t>wasup
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14:23<sney>muter00t: this is a support channel for debian users. if you want to chat try joining #moocows
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14:23<muter00t>havent been part of the irc scene for a while lol
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14:24<Aaron_>sney, it does scan but i cannot enable it
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14:24<sney>what do you mean "enable" it
14:25<Aaron_>on network-manager, it says wireless unmanaged
14:25<Aaron_>and i want to enable it so i can use my wireless connection
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14:26<cra1g321>to enable network-manager to manage your interfaces look here - https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#Enabling_Interface_Management
14:26<sney>and make sure it isn't mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces
14:26<Aaron_># The loopback network interface
14:26<Aaron_>auto lo
14:26<Aaron_>auto wlan0
14:27<Aaron_>that's what i hve on my network/interfaces
14:27<SynrG>take out auto wlan0
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14:27<Aaron_>ok
14:28<SynrG>do you have any 'iface wlan0' stanza too?
14:28<Aaron_>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
14:28<Aaron_>that too?
14:28<SynrG>take that out too, yes
14:28<Aaron_>ok
14:28<SplifStar>any help with openvpn here?
14:28<mgv>!ask
14:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:28<Aaron_>and now SynrG what do i do?
14:28<sney>save interfaces, close it, and (probably) restart network-manager
14:28<Aaron_>ok
14:29<SynrG>maybe logout and login too. and if all else fails, reboot
14:29<Aaron_>oh crap
14:29<SynrG>i'm not sure what it needs
14:29<Aaron_>now it works
14:29<sney>!congratulate Aaron_
14:29<dpkg>Woohoo Aaron_, you did it!
14:29<Aaron_>thanks
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14:30<SplifStar>I can connent to openvpn from inside the network but not outside
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14:31<mgv>is the port forwarding working?
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14:32<mgv>is openvpn listening on the correct interfaces?
14:32<SplifStar>Yes portforwading is working I can access ownCloud from outside the network
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14:32<mgv>look for 'local some.ip.address' directives in the openvpn configuration file
14:34<SplifStar>Yes I just don't remember ever telling openvpn the outside address
14:34<mgv>well look for those directives in the configuration file. I don't know what the default config has
14:34<SplifStar>thank you I will
14:34<mgv>grep ^local /etc/openvpn/whatever-you-named-your-config.conf | nopaste
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14:36<mgv>you should also check if the port forwarding is correct. you'll need port 1194 udp, or port 1194 tcp if you're using tcp.
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14:39<SplifStar>it was optional so I didn't mess with it ;local a.b.c.d
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14:40<mgv>okay
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14:41<mgv>then check again your port forwarding (you could be forwarding port 1194 tcp when openvpn runs on udp, or vice versa)
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14:41<SplifStar>upd port 1194
14:42<mgv>do you have 'proto tcp' or 'proto udp' in your openvpn config?
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14:43<SplifStar>'proto udp'
14:44<mgv>what errors are you getting from openvpn on the client?
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14:45<SplifStar>well I never tried from the laptop only from andriod
14:45<mgv>oh
14:46<mgv>were you able to connect to another openvpn from your android phone? maybe the android phone is the problem
14:46<SplifStar>no never tried that
14:46<SplifStar>andriod phone and tablet same issue
14:47<mgv>also, which application are you using on Android? The one that worked for me was 'OpenVPN for Android', package name 'de.blinkt.openvpn'
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14:47<SplifStar>tablet rooted phone is not
14:47<mgv>this app does not require root
14:47<mgv>try connecting from your laptop, this will confirm if the problem is with the server or the client(s)
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14:48<SplifStar>so I should not mess with the ;local a.b.c.d
14:48<mgv>yes
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14:48<mgv>if you have no local directives, openvpn will listen on all interfaces (which is ok)
14:49<SplifStar>what is it listening for
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14:49<mgv>connections
14:51<SplifStar>what is it listening for just requests on 1194 from anh host?
14:51<SplifStar>any host
14:54<mgv>yes. connections to port 1194 from any host
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14:56<SplifStar>ok i'll check port frowarding again
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15:00<SplifStar>ok I forgot to mention I have 2 nics installed
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15:01<SplifStar>but only forwarding to one ip
15:01<SplifStar>maybe its the wrong one
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15:13<SplifStar>Thanks Very much it works now!! :)
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15:18<SplifStar>working on andriod and laptop, but how does the cleint know where to find the server?
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15:22<SplifStar>okay andriod client does have................ remote some.domain 1194 udp
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15:23<towo`>the system is named andoid, not andriod
15:24<SplifStar>it is?
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15:24<ncl>I thought it was Android
15:24<SplifStar>whats a andoid??
15:25<towo`>sorry for the missing "r"
15:25<SplifStar>well andriod sounds better
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15:25<SplifStar>oh ok
15:25<towo`>but andriod is stupid
15:26<SplifStar>oh well
15:26<SplifStar>thanks anyways
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15:32<rryoumaa>when i do sha1sum /etc/passwd|od -xa, there is a newline. but if i do echo or printf in the shell, the newline is removed. i couldn't find anything in the bash manual about removing newline. do they remove it or does something else?
15:32<rryoumaa>i.e. echo $(sha1sum /etc/passwd) hi
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15:33<babilen>rryoumaa: How is that related to Debian?
15:33<babilen>rryoumaa: Are you mayhaps looking for #bash on freenode?
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15:40<kg>Hey, can you guys recommend a tool for installing a small beowulf cluster?
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15:42<SplifStar>anybody to test server security?
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17:08<one>!twm
17:08<dpkg>somebody said twm was a very basic window manager for X.
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17:10<one>How on twm on denian?
17:11<SplifStar>lol
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17:12<babilen>one: Install it?!
17:13<one>no run it
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17:15<one>Thanks, I found the answer myself.
17:15<devil>one: you're on a good way ;)
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17:16<one>devil :Are you always here ? :D
17:17<devil>I live here
17:17<devil>sometimes I am gone. then I am not here.
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17:18<one>devi: Hmm
17:18<one>devil: Hmm
17:19<devil>one: we have nick autocomplete
17:19<devil>no need to type full nicknames
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17:20<one>Yes!
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17:20<devil>why not use it then?
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17:21<one>From what?
17:22<devil>umh...
17:22<devil>I give up
17:23<one>:)
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17:23<babilen>one: Try "bab<TAB>" in here.
17:24<one>babilen, : Thanks good idea :)
17:25<retrospectacus>especially useful when addressing me :D
17:25<babilen>heh
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18:16<ectospasm>I'm having trouble with nvidia-settings and a dual-head setup in wheezy. I can use nvidia-settings well enough to get the configuration I want, but try as I might I can't get the settings to persist across a reboot or logout/login
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18:17<ectospasm>I've run nvidia-settings as root, saved to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and still when I reboot or log back in my two monitors display the same thing, as if the displays were mirrored.
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18:18<raisen>hi there. I have just installed 7.5 for the first time. Installation went fine, I used the graphical install, but when the system rebooted, X11 wasn't able to start. It said "screens found but no configuration found" or something like that. Where should I go from here?
18:19<sney>pastebin your X log
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18:19<oldlaptop>interesting, that sounds almost as though autoconfiguration failed
18:19<oldlaptop>(which is unusual these days)
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18:19<oldlaptop>raisen: your X log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:20<raisen>sney: I don't know how to do that. My wireless isn't working... it said it couldn't find any adapter compatible with wireless
18:20<raisen>I'm on my windows box right now
18:20<oldlaptop>(higher numbers indicate older (saved) logs)
18:20<sney>your wireless adapter probably needs firmware
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18:20<oldlaptop>raisen: you could copy it onto a USB drive
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18:21<oldlaptop>or plug the laptop into ethernet
18:21<SplifStar>you can run smxi from root cli
18:21<devil>SplifStar: smxi is fortunately not in debian
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18:22<raisen>how can I do that using the console? Am I able to upload the X.org to pastebin using lynx?
18:22<oldlaptop>There exists a command-line pastebin client actually
18:22<oldlaptop>(multiple ones)
18:22<oldlaptop>pastebinit is in Debian
18:22<oldlaptop>,v pastebinit
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18:22<judd>Package: pastebinit on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3-4; jessie: 1.4-3; sid: 1.4-3
18:22<raisen>and what irc client do you recommend?
18:23<oldlaptop>I use quassel personally
18:23<raisen>ok, I'll try that, I'll be right back.. thanks
18:23<oldlaptop>many like irssi and xchat/derivatives
18:23<raisen>I can use apt-get to install quassel ?
18:23<raisen>can I *
18:23<ectospasm>I prefer weechat for CLI IRC
18:23<oldlaptop>yes - it's not all that great for stand-alone use though
18:23<ectospasm>weechat is in apt
18:24<raisen>ok, i'll be back with the x.org, thanks :)
18:24<oldlaptop>(the point with quassel is to have the "core" running on your server 24/7, so you don't miss anything)
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18:24<ectospasm>I just run weechat in a tmux session
18:24<ectospasm>serves the same purpose.
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18:25<oldlaptop>but the interface isn't local ;)
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18:25<oldlaptop>nasty lag when typing, especially if the server's not on a LAN with you
18:25<ectospasm>I've never noticed nasty lag
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18:26<oldlaptop>it's fine over a LAN
18:26<ectospasm>or at least, I can't remember the last time it happened
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18:26<oldlaptop>but ssh to a server on the Internet somewhere can be pretty laggy
18:26<ectospasm>Yeah, my tmux session is running on a VPS on the other side of the country (-;
18:26<oldlaptop>...especially when your Internet link stinks as badly as mine ;)
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18:27<ectospasm>Thankfully my Internet connection hasn't been that bad
18:27<ectospasm>Just for anything using RTP during prime time
18:27<oldlaptop>I could tolerate ssh from the same county or so (I run quassel on my own hardware)
18:28<oldlaptop>much farther out than that and I really really want a local interface
18:28<oldlaptop>also this is rapidly sliding offtopic
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18:29<ectospasm>I'm having trouble with nvidia-settings and a dual-head setup in wheezy. I can use nvidia-settings well enough to get the configuration I want, but try as I might I can't get the settings to persist across a reboot or logout/login
18:29<ectospasm>I've run nvidia-settings as root, saved to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and still when I reboot or log back in my two monitors display the same thing, as if the displays were mirrored.
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18:30<oldlaptop>about the only advice I have: avoid NVIDIA hardware if possible, avoid their binary drivers if that's not possible
18:30<retrospectacus>ectospasm: you could pastebin your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log for us
18:33<ectospasm>retrospectacus: xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/108212/ Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/108213/
18:33<ectospasm>the xorg.conf is completely unmodified from nvidia-settings
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18:34<ectospasm>oldlaptop: too late, sunk costs, I'm not investing in another GPU until this one fails
18:35<oldlaptop>always too late :(
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18:35<ectospasm>does Intel even make discrete GPU adapters?
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18:35<ectospasm>anyway, that's offtopic
18:36<oldlaptop>AMD does, and also releases documentation
18:36<oldlaptop>as opposed to serially blobbing with every product
18:37<oldlaptop>(NVIDIA's preoccupation with binary drivers has extended to non-GPU products in the past; I unfortunately have a machine with an nForce chipset)
18:37<oldlaptop>in the case of nForce ethernet the REd driver won
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18:38<ectospasm>yeah, but I don't buy AMD products as a rule
18:38<oldlaptop>perhaps someday nouveau will win too; in the meantime I can't recommend any NVIDIA GPU unless your intention is to develop/test/assist nouveau
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18:39<ectospasm>oldlaptop: again, this conversation is too late for me now
18:39<raisen1>hey guys, I'm back.. I'm on my debian box now.. I had to download the dpkg package for weechat, it didn't work with the source list I had :(
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18:39<raisen1>what's the package name again to paste to pastebin?
18:39<oldlaptop>if you could post your sources.list real quick, we can help with that too ;)
18:39<oldlaptop>pastebinit
18:39<ectospasm>I've heard nopaste or pastebininit work
18:39<oldlaptop>,v pastebinit
18:39<judd>Package: pastebinit on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3-4; jessie: 1.4-3; sid: 1.4-3
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18:40<oldlaptop>if you can, please use paste.debian.net instead of pastebin.com (pastebinit can do this with an option)
18:40<raisen1>oldlaptop: unable to locate tha package pastebinit :(
18:40<oldlaptop>manpage is helpful
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18:40<raisen1>I think the source list is using my cdrom only
18:40<oldlaptop>my first impluse: if you installed without network you may not have networked repositories... yes
18:41<raisen1>true, it didn't detect my wireless like i said before, so I guess that was it
18:41<oldlaptop>deb ftp://<country code>.debian.org/debian wheezy main
18:41<oldlaptop>deb-src ftp://<country code>.debian.org/debian wheezy main
18:41<oldlaptop>or so
18:41<oldlaptop>or a secondary mirror if you prefer
18:42<oldlaptop>if you want non-free, say 'main contrib non-free' instead of 'main'
18:42<raisen1>I'm checking sources.list, and wheezy-updates is commented.. should I change to only wheezy and uncomment?
18:42<retrospectacus>ectospasm: see line 418 of xorg.0.log - you set dualhead properly then I think, so putting "DFP-0:nvidia-auto-select@1920x1080+0+0,DFP-1:nvidia-auto-select@1920x1080+1920+0" in xorg.conf for Screen Option "metamodes" might help
18:43<oldlaptop>You should uncomment wheezy-updates and add wheezy ;)
18:43<oldlaptop>unless you don't want wheezy-updates anyhow
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18:43<raisen1>ok great, it's updating...
18:43<oldlaptop>don't know why you wouldn't, but there must be reasons
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18:43<raisen1>wheezy-updates is the testing repo?
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18:44<ectospasm>retrospectacus: it's already there
18:44<ectospasm>isn't it?
18:44<oldlaptop>raisen1: no, that would be 'testing' (or 'jessie' currently)
18:45<retrospectacus>ectospasm: not exactly
18:45<oldlaptop>Once you're up and running you'll want to add security.debian.org if it's not in there already
18:45<oldlaptop>that's not *critical* for now
18:45<raisen1>oldlaptop: Ok, I got my pastebin.. the url is http://paste.debian.org/108214/
18:45<oldlaptop>https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates
18:46<raisen1>sorrry
18:46<raisen1>oldlaptop: Ok, I got my pastebin.. the url is http://paste.debian.net/108214/
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18:46<raisen1>I don't know how to copy/paste from the console... :)
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18:46<oldlaptop>gpm will let you cut/paste on the console ;)
18:46<oldlaptop>not between virtual ttys though, IIRC
18:46<raisen1>:)
18:46<oldlaptop>still it's helpful
18:46<raisen1>oh
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18:48<raisen1>i installed gpm, it's awesome.. i'm starting to wondering if i really need x11.. just joking..
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18:48<oldlaptop>some just use X + xterm as a terminal multiplexer ;)
18:48<raisen1>oldlaptop: were you able to see my pastebin?
18:48<oldlaptop>yes
18:49<babilen>dpkg: tell raisen1 -about root
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18:49<raisen1>I see this error: VESA(0): V_BIOS address 0x0 out of range
18:49<raisen1>babilen: what's that?
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18:51<oldlaptop>raisen1: you shouldn't do general work as root
18:51<oldlaptop>pastebinit does your paste under your current username, your paste is from root
18:51<raisen1>oldlaptop: I first connected to irc using root but it didn't let me to join #debian, so I'm using my regular account now
18:52<oldlaptop>ah
18:52<raisen1>oh got it
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18:52<raisen1>this is the paste from the x server trying to run upon the system startup
18:52<raisen1>should i try to run startx using my regular account?
18:53<oldlaptop>raisen1: you can try that
18:53<oldlaptop>in that case you'll see the server log on your console
18:53<ratcheer>raisen1: That's what I always do
18:53<oldlaptop>What interests me is that it's not using KMS
18:53<oldlaptop>maybe not related to the issue, maybe it is
18:54<raisen1>I just tried using my regular account: http://paste.debian.net/108220/
18:54<oldlaptop>ah, right, doesn't give you the whole log on console :|
18:54<oldlaptop>thought I recalled it doing that, eh
18:55<oldlaptop>it's in the logfile though
18:55<oldlaptop>probably the same
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18:55<raisen1>yeah, I checked and looks the same
18:55<oldlaptop>I gather you have an AMD/ATI GPU?
18:56<raisen1>not sure.. it's a laptop. how can I check that?
18:56<oldlaptop>'lspci | grep VGA' will give the exact model
18:56<raisen1>ok
18:56<oldlaptop>just 'lspci' will give you all sorts of other hardware info too
18:56<raisen1>00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 9830
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18:58<oldlaptop>hm. afraid that doesn't mean much to me
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18:59<oldlaptop>nor does it mean much to duckduckgo
18:59<raisen1>I once installed ubuntu on this machine and I had to change a parameter in grub because the system was stalling.. it was something like no_acpi...
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19:00<raisen1>it was stalling before the X server started, and I had no way to get to the console... it was worse than debian.. with debian, at least I have access to the console
19:01<oldlaptop>it might be that you need to disable KMS at boot?
19:01<oldlaptop>certainly X isn't using KMS
19:01<raisen1>I had to disable secure boot.. is that what kms stands for? :)
19:01<oldlaptop>no
19:01<oldlaptop>Kernel Mode Setting
19:02<oldlaptop>I don't recall the boot option you would use to turn it off
19:02<raisen1>is there any way to force x server to start with the lowest display setting?
19:03<oldlaptop>you could force it to use the VESA driver I suppose
19:03<oldlaptop>wouldn't know how to do that offhand, I would read the manpages and build an xorg.conf I guess
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19:04<oldlaptop>(you can disable kms with 'nomodeset' on the kernel commandline)
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19:04<oldlaptop>I would try that and see if it starts
19:04<oldlaptop>may or may not have anything to do with your issue
19:04<raisen1>ok, let me try..
19:04<raisen1>i'll brb
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19:05<dom-pc>#челябинск
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19:09<raisen>oldlaptop: it didn't work... should I try to look for some kind of chipset driver?
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19:09<oldlaptop>raisen: hm. You may need firmware-linux-nonfree?
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19:10<raisen>oldlaptop: just install it using apt-get?
19:10<oldlaptop>yes - note it's in non-free for a reason, if that bothers you don't install it
19:11<raisen>oldlaptop: i tried and it couldn't find it: E: Unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree . do I have to add another source?
19:11<oldlaptop>you will also need non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list, yes
19:12<oldlaptop>or if you don't want to do that, you can always wget the individual package manually
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19:13<raisen>oldlaptop: do you have a link? I'm not very familiar with lynx
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19:15<oldlaptop>http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb ; description: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree
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19:15<oldlaptop>note the long long list of Radeons that require it ;)
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19:16<ratcheer>oldlaptop: I think just about all Radeons require it
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19:16<oldlaptop>yep
19:16<raisen>oldlaptop: thanks, I ran it and I got: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64
19:16<raisen>so I guess I need to restart?
19:17<oldlaptop>IIRC you just need to start X again; but you might need to reboot, yes
19:17<oldlaptop>been a long time since I installed this system with a radeon ;)
19:18<raisen>ok tried to start X again and it didn't work... rebooting.. brb :)
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19:20<raisen>same old.. :)
19:20<oldlaptop>afraid I'm fast running out of ideas
19:20<oldlaptop>especially without knowing exactly what Radeon that is
19:21<raisen>I understand.. is this a question for the X or debian people?
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19:21<gsimmons>judd: pciid 1002:9830
19:21<judd>[1002:9830] is 'Kabini [Radeon HD 8400 / R3 Series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9830 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
19:21<oldlaptop>ah.
19:22<raisen>do i need to install that module?
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19:22<sney>,pciid 1002:9830 --release sid
19:22<judd>[1002:9830] is 'Kabini [Radeon HD 8400 / R3 Series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9830 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
19:23<sney>you need a newer kernel.
19:23<oldlaptop>Ah.
19:23<sney>!tell raisen about backports
19:23<oldlaptop>,pciid 1002:9830 --release wheezy-backports
19:23<judd>[1002:9830] is 'Kabini [Radeon HD 8400 / R3 Series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy-backports. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9830 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
19:23<oldlaptop>backports kernel should work then
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19:23<sney>indeed
19:23<raisen>very confused now
19:23<raisen>:)
19:24<oldlaptop>raisen: seems the problem is simply that your GPU is newer than the wheezy kernel
19:24<sney>read the website the dpkg bot just told you about in a private message
19:24<oldlaptop>and therefore unsupported by it
19:24<raisen>maybe i should update to the testing branch?
19:24<oldlaptop>No need for that
19:24<oldlaptop>(unless you want to run testing)
19:24<sney>just get a kernel from backports.
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19:24<raisen>ok, i'm going to read it
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19:27<raisen>Ok, i added the new sources to the list for the backports... what is the package name for the newer kernel?
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19:30<raisen>sorry, I never updated a kernel manually using packages before.. is that the package I have to install from backports: kernel-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64-di ?
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19:37<st4rkd4y>HI
19:37<st4rkd4y>Ola'
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19:49<alexmb>hello
19:49<alexmb>i have a new cheap uefi 64b laptop, what img should i use for sd boot
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19:50<oldlaptop>I doubt your machine can boot from an SD card; if it can you should be able to use the standard hybrid ISOs AFAIK
19:51<oldlaptop>they are however intended to boot from a USB drive; that would be more likely to work
19:51<alexmb>ok ill try i tried the 222mb netinst but it said its not validated
19:51<alexmb>i tried legacy support on it said not found
19:51<oldlaptop>you need to turn off Secure Boot
19:51<oldlaptop>or else go through a lot of rigmarole
19:51<alexmb>ok
19:51<AlexLikeRock>alexmb, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-dvd/
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19:52<alexmb>alexlikerock, thx ill try
19:52<AlexLikeRock>or the official linnk DEBIAN 64 bit http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
19:52<alexmb>the -cd tho
19:53<AlexLikeRock>choise , CD ,DVD ,32 or 64 bit http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
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19:53<one>!Komodo
19:53<dpkg>komodo is, like, a multilanguage (perl, PHP, python, etc.) IDE and debugger for windows and linux, freely available from ActiveState at http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Reference/Products/ASPNTOC-KOMODO____ or something like that.
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19:58<alexmb>whats this jessie release
19:58<AlexLikeRock>jessie its testing :)
19:58<somiaj>jessie is not a release (yet). jessie is the codename for testing and is constantly getting new packages
19:58<alexmb>k =))
19:59<somiaj>this fall jessie will freeze and usually about a year after that for the release to happen.
19:59<alexmb>k
19:59<AlexLikeRock>for me its cool, jessie :)
19:59<alexmb>ill just add like always stable testing and unstable
19:59<somiaj>do not mix repos
19:59<somiaj>choose one and stay with it (:
20:00<alexmb>aha, not so easy
20:00<alexmb>i try to choose sid but i always mixed em
20:00<somiaj>if you choose to run testing or unstable, #debian-next is the prefered support channel
20:00<alexmb>okay
20:00<alexmb>thx
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20:01<AlexLikeRock>for a novise , we recomend STABLE
20:01<one>Hi
20:01<somiaj>but mixing them in your sources can lead to a very broken system. If you need newer software in wheezy, you should look into wheezy-backports and making backports before deciding if you want to run jessie.
20:01<one>How to install komodo ide?
20:02<alexmb>i rather wanna try sid and experimental ...
20:02<alexmb>simply due to newest versions
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20:02<somiaj>experimental isn't a full distrubtion and I would suggest you just use sid and only dip into experimential for single packages you want.
20:03<alexmb>yeah like x
20:03<alexmb>used to do so
20:03<somiaj>But do expect things to break in sid and learn how to fix them, it is very fun. (:
20:03<alexmb>yeah i like it
20:03<somiaj>I see little reason to need an experimental X, its features haven't changed that much in years.
20:04<one>How to install komodo ide?
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20:04<alexmb>i thought ' newer version faster '
20:04<one>How to install komodo ide?
20:05<alexmb>one on which os
20:05<alexmb>i mean sorry
20:05<alexmb>i dunno what .as is but install the content
20:05<one>debian
20:06<somiaj>alexmb: depends on what is included in the newer version. most of times it is more features not optimization. If you do not know of a reason you need a newer version, just wanting a higher version is not really recomended. But if you know of a feature you actually are going ot use that to me is a different story
20:06<alexmb>i got the reason of 'newer is newer so get it'
20:06<alexmb>yeah sorry i dont wanna make problems
20:06<one>Do you know?
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20:08<alexmb>i dont, sorry
20:08<alexmb>search for 'apt-cache search as extractor' or something
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20:19<ectospasm>retrospectacus: This option fixed it: Option "nvidiaXineramaInfoOrder" "DFP-0, DFP-1"
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20:54<alexmb>fail
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20:57<alexmb>with what tool to write the iso to the device on windows
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20:59<dvs>win32diskimager
20:59<alexmb>okay thx
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---Logclosed Sat Jul 05 00:00:36 2014